Is this good for 40 heat
#h1-high-heat-strategies
pure lily
cursive portal
yeah
pure lily
mossy zinc
Is this good for 40 heat
Sure, but at 40 it's gonna be a lot more difficult with both HL5 and FO2. But at 32 you're still cruising.
Just riding the wave to the surface.
cursive portal
Just riding the wave to the surface.
đ 
pure lily
50 heat beo looking easier than 40 fists for me rn 
mossy zinc
The Aspect of Bro.
pure lily
Beo bros
mossy zinc
Super Beowulf Bros.
pure lily
cursive portal
wheres my beo pat emote
found it
beo kinda good and then you hit 55 heat lmao
and it starts becoming miserable
bronze rapids
Super Browulf Beos
mossy zinc
Super Browulf Bros.
bronze rapids
beo kinda good and then you hit 55 heat lmao
Or if you decide to take RI3 DC2 at 32 heat for no reason
mossy zinc
RI3 is easy. Just play in Blood Price.
mossy zinc
+400% Charged Flight, my old friend.
cursive portal
pure lily
I"m not that good
pure lily
Sure, but at 40 it's gonna be a lot more difficult with both HL5 and FO2. But at...
What attack boon
quartz mantle
Either Arty or Zeus
With Arty getting Hunting Blades helps a lot and with Zeus getting jolted or even Splitting can be good
mossy zinc
Deadly Strike + Hunter's Mark or Lightning Strike + Static Discharge.
bronze rapids
Forgot about Ares/Dio duo prereqs but if it doesn't need Ares attack, then that one
pure lily
Lol
hoary pasture
Yea Curse of Nausea
bronze rapids
Take Priv stats tho
pure lily
Sounds like do whatever and pom special
hoary pasture
Pretty much
pure lily
Cool
mossy zinc
And for dio rama special, are there any other gods for hangover synergy?
Mainly just poms on Special, Privileged Status, and of course Low Tolerance, Curse of Nausea, and Splitting Headache.
And Black Out is good in any Hangover build.
But if you can get like Hangover with Chill + Killing Freeze, that's also very good. There's a lot of options here if you're still playing at like 40 Heat.
If you take Trippy Shot for Black Out, then that also means Scintillating Feast is a great option.
mossy zinc
Passion Dash best Dash. 
cursive portal
I never found blackout that useful
pure lily
What if I got aphrodite attack, special, dash, cast, call, and all her t2 boons?
mossy zinc
What if I got aphrodite attack, special, dash, cast, call, and all her t2 boons?
Perfectly perfect build.
In every way.
Even more perfectly perfect in every way if you also have Unhealty Fixation.
pure lily
cursive portal
why is charm so odd
mossy zinc
I never found blackout that useful
What I like about it is that you already have Hangover anyway, Trippy Shot has excellent pom scaling, and Festive Fog helps a lot with unarmored enemies. So if you see it, might as well take it, open up Black Out, and potentially get some extra damage.
Also if you're going for a Low Tolerance build, you can often open up Smair, Scintillating Feast, and Black Out pretty easily. So you might as well do that. 
Well, at least up to like 40ish.
pure lily
Well I made it to heroes and dio has only dropped twice so I don't have any of his hangover boons except on special lol
hoary pasture
That's pretty much the only one you need
pure lily
Would have been nice to get anything else though
Numbing sensation is cool on f02
bad influence,
oh well
flat flicker
If I spam a dio Raman special shot then throw dio aid for one tick will the whole hangover be dio aid or will it do math and this doesnât work
hoary pasture
You can meg to finish off Phase 1 if the adds are starting to overwhelm you
Otherwise I usually just leave it til phase 3 and meg when he heals or as a panic button if I'm not playing too well
hoary pasture
If I spam a dio Raman special shot then throw dio aid for one tick will the whol...
Should be 1 tick
pure lily
Died on phase 1
pure lily
good to know
so if you have two heat between JS and CP, do you do 1 and 1?
or put two in one?
30% boss health seems wack, but with no extra spawns, you can get through levels faster
hoary pasture
I wouldnt go past CP1 on 45
pure lily
fair
hoary pasture
ever
mossy zinc
What's your pact exactly for what aspect and build?
What's always a good idea is to just look at the high heat leaderboard for runs with the same aspect ±1 Heat, and just look at their victory screens for pacts and builds. And that gives you an idea of what's worked before and what might be worth trying for you.
pure lily
fair enough
mossy zinc
Just a fairly simple way to see what the meta is.
pure lily
HL LC 4 CF 2 EM3 FO2 DM2
TD3 AP 1
JS 2, and the rest of the regular ones
yeah good poiknt
mossy zinc
I don't know what you think are the regular ones.
DM2 I guess is DC2?
This is with Rama, right?
pure lily
BP MM UC HS are the last one
rama currently ya
When you have to choose between purging hyper sprint, smair, and posiden call 
mossy zinc
I'd just purge Hyper Sprint probably. Unless the Call is still level 1 anyway, I guess, then I'd probably just purge the Call and get a new one.
45: HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 CP1 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS RI2 DC2 AP1 TD2
45: HL5 LC4 CF2 JS3 EM3 CP2 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS DC2 AP1 TD2
46: HL5 LC4 CF2 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS RI1 DC2 AP1 TD3
46 Hell Mode: HL5 LC4 CF2 JS3 EM3 CP2 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS DC2 AP1 TD1 PL
That's what's on the leaderboard for Rama, not including Tailesque's mirrorless 46 Heat, because I assume you're probably not going to go for that.
Also the first one is boonless, by Tailesque.
next acorn
TD2 45
shell coyote
gods O.O I'm tempted to try those
shell coyote
I'm preety bad with the bow, but I guess rama helps a lot
quiet mountain
i assume td2 is because of js3
hoary pasture
And CP2
quiet mountain
yer
hoary pasture
I don't like that pact
quiet mountain
i mean it plays into ramaâs ability pretty well
quiet mountain
rama spreads damage relatively evenly so making a lot of beefy summons kinda makes sense in a way i canât really articulate well
hoary pasture
It definitely handles those pacts well
But having to take TD2 means you're not good enough at making the most out of the aspect to begin with
hoary pasture
Which could lead to handling said JS3 CP2 pretty poorly
quiet mountain
as we can kind of see from the 46 heat ones thatâs pretty clear
i think the td2 45 pact was created for 45 if that makes sense
the other non td3 pact has to drop to td1 and be hell
mossy zinc
Well, the first TD2 pact there is boonless in late 2020, the second is from Toffel in early 2021, and she just really didn't like TD3 at the time. Third one is mine from late 2020. And last one is from ledgerdamayn early 2021.
So all of these pacts are over a year old.
next acorn
Why were there so many TD2 gamers back then
hoary pasture
There's also my 40 heat from early 2021 which went overtime on TD2
mossy zinc
TD3 was actually still pretty new then since 1.0 dropped in Sep 2020, and before that we only had a 7 minute timer that didn't carry over with TD2.
Speedrun meta was nowhere near as developed as it is now, either. And there weren't so many players that did both speedruns and high heat.
Like we knew each other and would sometimes discuss strats, but they weren't really going for any high heat records and we weren't really going for any speedrun records except for like a couple players.
next acorn
Interesting 
mossy zinc
Nowadays it's like if you look at any high heat players, they most likely have several sub 10s... and if you go higher on the board, several sub 8s and stuff.
Anyway, back to 45 Heat Rama.
mossy zinc
When I was looking at 45 Heat Rama normal mode pacts earlier, like what I would run now... I was thinking maybe something like HL5 LC4 JS2 EM4 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS DC2 TD3.
Just very simple strategy, get a very powerful build with no CF RI AP to mess with that, and then kill EM4 with big damage.
I don't know if that's the easiest strategy, but I feel like that's pretty solid.
Heartbreak Strike start, look for Chaos Gates, maybe Smair, maybe Hunter Dash or Divine Dash, get a decent Special for damage, maybe Frost Flourish + Killing Freeze... very basic stuff. Don't be too picky with your god pool because of UC.
And because you have no CF or RI, you should also get a whole lot of HP very easily.
No AP means you're almost guaranteed to get good hammers and good boons from Lord Hermes.
pure lily
Em4
mossy zinc
Yeah, but if you get a decent build, you won't see much of the fight because dad will be very... dad.
pure lily
Em4 fo2 is my plateau
mossy zinc
You have a pretty good chance to get Greatest Reflex or Hyper Sprint or even both with that pact.
UC is literally the only thing hurting your build.
hoary pasture
If you get greatest reflex and perfect hammers youâre pretty much done
mossy zinc
And UC doesn't even really hurt because like... if you purge an epic boon, you just get your money back, and if you purge a duo or legendary, you get like 2 boons and a pom for the price of one boon.
Because you have CF0, so everything is dirt cheap.
pure lily
True
mossy zinc
Something like this, I guess. Well, it was a good run until Sneak > 2x Soul Catcher just completely killed any DPS I had in phase 1 because Rama can't get a shot off lol.
Man, I don't like that fight.
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
But yeah, pretty simple to get a build like this. https://i.imgur.com/1NeieC4.png
And then just don't get the worst possible summons and you're good. 
hoary pasture
Nice repulse shot
cursive portal
CF0
pure lily
got rush delivery hiyper sprint
so can you dash into a dash strike
and it'll work, even if you charge a bit
cursive portal
are you on rama
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/924664867254829128/unknown.png the essentials
mossy zinc
Rush Delivery bonus damage is applied on hit. So you would need to release your Power Shot with a Dash to get the bonus damage on your Attack.
hoary pasture
I find that annoying for EM4
cursive portal
aka "dash to shoot"
mossy zinc
Well, it was still basically free +100% damage on Curse of Pain and Aphrodite's Aid.
hoary pasture
Yea your other sources of damage can make good use of it
mossy zinc
shoot then dash
You literally just hold Attack and press Dash.
I usually don't bother with it because you rarely need it.
pure lily
i see
gaunt fiber
easier if you bind attack to another key
pure lily
You literally just hold Attack and press Dash.
This pact worked out well so far
only issue is I didn't hit patty
mossy zinc
Also btw I hit the Sneak like one time. Dusa and dad killed it.
pure lily
and am a bit tight on time but made it to styx
bronze rapids
forgetting that one has EM4 is a big killer of EM4 runs
pure lily
melted heroes
pure lily
forgetting that one has EM4 is a big killer of EM4 runs
My first ever EM4 run I forgot I had it on
mossy zinc
Lucky Tooth if you don't have any DDs from Lady Athena.
bronze rapids
oh yeah I have 3 minutes dad should be eas- AAAA
pure lily
and got phase 3 down to like 1/3 and died. it was so sad
pure lily
oh
hardy garden
double sneak or bball in em4
mossy zinc
Nice. Just need to save a little time here and there or get a little more lucky, and you should be fine.
TFW you get to sell Calculated Risk twice.
Oh no, Underworld Customs is so bad.
Chamber 28: Patroclus or mid-shop.
Thanks, Amir.
pure lily
Tiny vermin stole a whole minute from me
Isn't Patroclus always the answer?
That moment with Athena offers you a DD but you forgot to die
timber pike
That moment with Athena offers you a DD but you forgot to die
stubborn defiance moment
underworld customs is free heat
until you get to the high levels you'll likely have enough boons where selling like 3 of them isn't really a problem.
mossy zinc
A 4-sack so I get to play the game more this run. Thanks, Amir.
timber pike
raw cloud
what did amir do to you
timber pike
now what if there was uc2 (sell 2 boons per region), uc3, (sell 3 boons per region), and uc4 (sell 4 boons per region)
raw cloud
uc2 sounds pretty free
uc3 and 4 not so much
mossy zinc
what did amir do to you
Gave me a 4-sack.
left prism
now what if there was uc2 (sell 2 boons per region), uc3, (sell 3 boons per regi...
pool of purging adds a 4th option or you waste a roll
timber pike
pool of purging adds a 4th option or you waste a roll <:dusa:522248771409543188>
4th option bc if you had to roll you could get stuck there
mossy zinc
until you get to the high levels you'll likely have enough boons where selling l...
It's pretty free with CF0 AP0 if you choose your boons well. I purged 3 boons for 1k obols and pretty much bought 6 boons and a pom from that.
left prism
4th option bc if you had to roll you could get stuck there
UC just lets you pass if you dont have boons to sell
timber pike
uc2 sounds pretty free
uc3 and 4 not so much
when uc4 forces you to get rid of the duo boon you just got in elysium
void pecan
What's best wepon/aspect for speed run
mossy zinc
@pure lily there. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/944390271481827408/Hades_4889.png
timber pike
<@!355950583796072449> there. <:dusa:522248771409543188> https://cdn.discordapp....
is fidi your favorite companion?
pure lily
<@!355950583796072449> there. <:dusa:522248771409543188> https://cdn.discordapp....
How in the world did you end up with 400+ health and that many boons? I feel like I'm always short on boons on high heat
mossy zinc
is fidi your favorite companion?
Naturally. is always with me.
pseudo kernel
How in the world did you end up with 400+ health and that many boons? I feel lik...
dark foresight
also life affirmation gives a lot of health
pure lily
I always use dark foresight
Just looked at my beo PR and I only have 8 boons
For gun I have 9
timber pike
whats the average amount of boons that's earned in a run anyway
gaunt fiber
17.4
mossy zinc
I got Life Affirmation pretty late here, but it definitely still helped quite a bit with HP. I also had a Centaur Heart Erebus in Tartarus, I think 1 or 2 trials... and I got a bit lucky getting to purge Calculated Risk twice and went into the Temple of Styx with like over 1k obols.
mossy zinc
Also you gotta keep in mind I have like zero respect for the timer. If there's a mid-shop and a trial, I take the trial like 95% of the time if not more because that's two free boons.
But you also you gotta recognize if you have a lot of money before a boss, for example, and there's a free pom or the shop, like normally the free pom has better value, but you don't want to save all your money for the Styx shop because a lot of the stuff there is overpriced, so then it can be better to go into the shop instead of taking the free pom because you're getting more stuff in one room.
I think gauging that stuff in a run to always get the most value just takes a whole lot of experience.
I suppose a good guideline is if there's free gold laurel rewards, take the free stuff... but if you have a ton of money, go spend the money. If there's two boons, take the two boons. If there's +50 HP just up for grabs in Erebus, take that.
But optimizations like when to take a Centaur Heart over a Pom or anything like that depends on too many factors to have a simple guideline, I think.
Like I took a Centaur Heart over a Hammer when I entered Elysium.
I had only around 200 max HP, I think, I just got Life Affirmation, and the Hammer was gonna show up again most likely anyway... and I already had Twin Shot. Seemed like good value to me.
pure lily
I've never actually done Erebus in a serious run
next acorn
Health Erebus is pretty good
pure lily
You skipped second hammer?
next acorn
+50 health
pure lily
Is health Erebus extra? You have to not get hit right?
next acorn
yeah
left prism
You skipped second hammer?
Twin shot already good and game is still gonna push the 2nd hammer again anyways
mossy zinc
I skipped the second hammer only the first time it showed up. It was offered again next chamber anyway, so I just took it then.
left prism
A god you want on your pool/Hermes with boosted rarity ig
Or if you are confident a better reward is gonna be better
bronze rapids
Unless it's Elysium Erebus
pure lily
Yeah f dat
left prism
Wdym you dont like your B.balls in your no hit challenge
pure lily
Tart or bust for me prolly
mossy zinc
Well, you're not gonna get better at clearing Erebus by avoiding it.
pseudo kernel
Wdym you dont like your B.balls in your no hit challenge
retrash moment
mossy zinc
Other things being equal, Infernal Gates are more valuable than anything but trials and friendship rooms assuming you can clear them at least more than half the time.
Well, Erebus boons aren't that much more value really. But the other ones are.
Also Dusa is great in Erebus.
pure lily
I thought in general they weren't worth it
mossy zinc
If you don't have JS or anything like that, she can pretty easily solo some Infernal Gates in Tartarus.
+50 max HP, double pom, 200 obols, high rarity Lord Hermes boon... that doesn't sound worth it?
Even the other high rarity boons if it's a god you're looking for.. it's like getting two miniboss boons in the biome instead of just one.
pure lily
Ah so they are all boosted
I didn't know that
Well if you get hit you get nothing right?
mossy zinc
Right, but like I said if you just clear more than half the time, it's worth going for it.
left prism
Wrong reply
mossy zinc
Double obols are of course way less valuable with CF.
But otherwise... a normal Centaur Heart is worth 125, a double Centaur Heart is worth 250. So if you clear half the time, the average value of the double one is 125. And if you clear more than half the time, it's more value on average.
eternal hare
flat flicker
the crew <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
the regulars, yes
in my head, in this thread but
bronze rapids
the regulars, yes
Nah kart too casual, gotta do Mario Party for the true unmodded RNG experience
flat flicker
Here for it
pure lily
Dark souls fight club
bronze rapids
irl brawl
scarlet blaze
g'day
does the boon that increases the weak effect also increase the boon that increases dmg taken by foes with the weak effect on them?
scarlet blaze
alright i see. thanks
timber pike
this run I ended up with huntiing blades in tartarus
flat flicker
go win
timber pike
go win
I was doing well but then I died to the minotaur miniboss fight
Ah well, I can try again. I've barely used achilles and seeing as I got this far on 32 heat, I'm sure I can win with it soon
and asterius was almost dead too, I purposely died so I could get another athena dd
flat flicker
run it back
also fo2 achilles is kind of a ballache
like, more so than the usual suspects of "gud weapon"
timber pike
im not using fo2 so thats good to know
i can't imagine what it's like dodging asterius' spins with that pact
timber pike
i guess thats one way to use rib
flat flicker
if you wanna use rib
just take every Erebus
and pop it in there and get double rewards lol
flat flicker
most of us are
timber pike
tooth makes more sense, you have a better chance at surviving the fight that way..
imagine using rib
undone tartan
flat flicker
imagine using rib <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yeah it was a stretch lol i had to think how could i make this useful
jaunty falcon
Go go go get sub 7
hoary pasture
flat flicker
though skelly taunting dad is wonderful
cursive portal
already has
undone tartan
I would say Iâm ready to beat my old pb that still stands as PS5 world record but Iâm honestly gonna be playing an absurd amount of Elden Ring in under a week so I have no promises
flat flicker
undone tartan
Fr?
pseudo kernel
Pancake
hoary pasture
yea
pseudo kernel
Yeah angel got a ton of 60s
jaunty falcon
Yeah 62 heat pretty cool
hoary pasture
like 9 or 10
pseudo kernel
And rmacinty got sub 5
jaunty falcon
yeah
pseudo kernel
undone tartan
Lol alright well in my defense I forgot for a second that 62 heat was quite as coveted as it is. Itâs been a while lmao
Anyway legit congrats for the 60s, thatâs mad impressive
jaunty falcon
SMH unmodded only took 3 attempts
flat flicker
gotta love hades discord, despite hfw and cyberpunk this week i still wanna play hades lol
undone tartan
Cyberpunk?
flat flicker
yeah cyberpunk 2077 just dropped a ps5 update two days ago
theres a five hour free trial on ps5 then the game is $25
if youre interested, go for it
its free for another two weeks for the trial
undone tartan
Hmm
cursive portal
Anyway legit congrats for the 60s, thatâs mad impressive
I got unmodded zag+zeus 60s too
the zag shield run is disgusting
flat flicker
cshot?
cursive portal
shackle start-ch3 cshot-55% attack damage chaos-arti attack late tart
jaunty falcon
Yep
flat flicker
this sounds like AP2 and RI took this run off
cursive portal
3:15 EM4
cursive portal
its on the leaderboard
both the zeus and the zag runs
unmodded gaming means I got đ« 'd into submitting
undone tartan
I wish the leaderboard had a modded section
pseudo kernel
Imagine submitting your runs
jaunty falcon
Thereâs a separate leaderboard for modded
hoary pasture
There is one yea
undone tartan
Ah ok
cursive portal
its pinned in the speedcord
timber pike
hate when I accidentally choose an option from the shop I dont want
flat flicker
hate when I accidentally choose an option from the shop I dont want <:bouldy:523...
purge it
timber pike
purge it
i decided to get premium vintage since I accidentally chose dio instead of the health
still got health
flat flicker
premium vintage is pretty based
heart container and a pom
plus a second one if you got it early and get a second nectar
flat flicker
we;ve all done it
timber pike
"wait why isnt my health going up"
timber pike
hasn't happened yet since I've been mostly trying 32 heat
if I'm given the butterfly ball, assuming I get at least one athena dd and make it to dad, I should be able to win.
snow smelt
Hi, if you had a tierlist with all aspects for hig heat how it will be?
timber pike
em3 asterius is still kinda problematic for me but he's definitely easier.. i just hate getting him as a miniboss.
undone tartan
Hi, if you had a tierlist with all aspects for hig heat how it will be?
Beo, Zeus, Rama, Hestia are all easy top tier
undone tartan
em3 asterius is still kinda problematic for me but he's definitely easier.. i ju...
Are you using FO2?
timber pike
Are you using FO2?
no
its pretty easy though I can get hit pretty often by him still
i made it past him before though
undone tartan
EM3 Asterius takes a lot of practice, especially with melee aspects. Divine dash helps a lot in my experience
timber pike
yeah im playing with the achilles aspect
undone tartan
When I was starting out going for 32s and my first 40, Asterius was one of my biggest obstacles
timber pike
i've only done 32 heat with the eris rail so far
undone tartan
Eris was my first 32 as well
timber pike
besides this I've gone furthest with a lightning strike build on zeus (but haven't finished with that even after making it to dad 3 times), and achilles which I'm playing now
undone tartan
What build are you aiming for on your Achilles 32?
timber pike
*zeus demeter fists
undone tartan
And have you run your pact past this channel to make sure youâre not making it any harder than it needs to be? A good pact makes a huge difference at 32
Like for fists 32 Iâd probably avoid EM3, especially if youâre not too used to it
Up to you though ofc
flat flicker
Itâs nyaa nyaa pact
undone tartan
Gotcha
timber pike
Hm, well I start with tidal dash, and I usually look out for athena for the sake of getting extra stubborn defiances. hunting blades seems very useful with the spear, so I want to use that as well, though unless I naturally get 2 of those gods (which I have in most of my attempts), I can't guarantee getting hunting blades...
I need the sd's though
timber pike
but other than that Athena seems mostly irrelevant..i could use the lucky tooth but I would only equip that at like...styx...
or well elysium i guess
undone tartan
Hmm idk if Iâd personally start tidal for 32 Achilles
flat flicker
This isnât meta but I started Artemis, took (ares/dem whoever shows up first) then maybe splash dash in asphodel via keepsake. Itâs not meta but it gives you more wiggle room
undone tartan
Itâs better to get your cast first imo
flat flicker
I go arty so it have an attack I can start pomming
undone tartan
Itâs easier to get Poms + T2s that way
flat flicker
Then take beam or blades
flat flicker
But neither is wrong
cursive portal
heres mine
left prism
Deadly strike poms
cursive portal
mostly for 40+ heat
undone tartan
Zag above Zeus?
flat flicker
Deadly strike poms <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Flurry jab
undone tartan
Interesting
cursive portal
zag shield just needs one boon and a hammer
jaunty falcon
Yeah
cursive portal
its super minimalistic
undone tartan
Naturally
pseudo kernel
Bruh
undone tartan
Zag shield unmodded seems a bit painful though
pseudo kernel
It's not that painful
cursive portal
oh one thing about my unmodded zag 60
timber pike
what does zag shield even do. never used it ever
flat flicker
yeah I just never used it lol
flat flicker
I hate c shot
jaunty falcon
what does zag shield even do. never used it ever
Attack and dash strike do 15 extra damage
Not 15%
15 damage
flat flicker
I know itâs great I still hate it
undone tartan
It's not that painful
I just donât like hammer resets and also canât play without CShot. So⊠maybe more of a skill issue on second thought
cursive portal
jaunty falcon
Zag spear is pretty good in tart without cshot tho
jaunty falcon
Chaos shield is
flat flicker
Not a fan of cshot on Eris either tbh
jaunty falcon
In tart
pseudo kernel
I just donât like hammer resets and also canât play without CShot. So⊠maybe mor...
i dont usually reset for hammers\
flat flicker
Or in general
cursive portal
Chaos shield is <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
still 60'd it only took like a lv6 heroic aphro
left prism
Chaos aspecr of cshot
flat flicker
Is the plan literally just spam c shot
jaunty falcon
Yep
cursive portal
nah
pseudo kernel
if you get it yeah
undone tartan
Is the plan literally just spam c shot
Dash strike + cshot
flat flicker
I have mods Iâll get it
undone tartan
Itâs amazing
cursive portal
spam close range cshot
undone tartan
CShot best hammer
cursive portal
a third of your damage is your standing attack
pseudo kernel
yeah standing attack is faster
undone tartan
Iâm bad at zag shield I guess lol
cursive portal
if you are just spamming cshot at long distances you're missing out on a ton of damage
flat flicker
Yep, I am doing that
cursive portal
standing attack+cshot is the only way to out damage damage dad's heals
flat flicker
undone tartan
Yep, I am doing that
Treat CShot as an instant 80 damage piercing attack and not as a long range projectile
Itâs amazing for crowd control as well
undone tartan
Stand in the corner and CShot between attacks and otherwise hold block?
cursive portal
https://youtu.be/Qvj3bz_6RNQ?t=1484 good example of what that looks like
the idea is you have a plan on how to deal with each of dad's moves
it consistently results in sub 4:30 fights
ideally sub 4(without cp2)
hoary pasture
nice thumbnail
left prism
Peak thumbnail
flat flicker
Word
big oof I gotta redo my mods cause of the patch
also how much of beowulf cshot damage comes from cshot vs casts
regular bull rush feels better to me but like am I just wrong
cursive portal
also how much of beowulf cshot damage comes from cshot vs casts
its a nice secondary damage source tbh
since you go for arti attack, and beo has that 100% bonus attack damage built in
so its actually really nice
jaunty falcon
Tart is like 50% cshot ngl
With 0 poms, attack does 240 damage which is like 2-3x cast
dapper schooner
pancake is back
undone tartan
Yooo
flat flicker
maybe my problem w beo cshot is i never got the hang of regular cshot
undone tartan
I play Beo CShot a lot different from regular CShot though. Because it does so much damage with even a single cast
dapper schooner
Tart is like 50% cshot ngl
honestly its even less than 50% until like meg
but maybe im just doing something wrong
mossy zinc
No.
timber pike
ok
jaunty falcon
Itâs a downgrade
timber pike
other options are extending jab and breaching skewer
jaunty falcon
Extending
mossy zinc
@timber pike also btw the Achilles builds I suggested didn't really focus on Lady Athena at all.
timber pike
I focused on hunting blades this run and got poseidon and artemis naturally. so I used owl pendant for asphodel
wait it was ares naturally
It went well , like the last time but I died to asterius again
mossy zinc
The idea is to either get carried by very high DPS or by Crystal Clarity. Although Hunting Blades is also a decent option.
timber pike
would you say crystal clarity is better?
I also got deadly reversal this run since it was offered between mirage shot and something else but Im not sure if it did much
probably couldve taken mirage shot?
timber pike
is starting with the cast oe attack better?
mossy zinc
I think Crystal Clarity is stronger for just getting a win because you'll have Glacial Glare, which just makes it very easy to avoid getting hit by bosses.
I'd always start Cast in a Cast build.
But Deadly Strike start and picking up whoever you see first between Lady Demeter and Lord Ares is fine, too.
mossy zinc
I focused on hunting blades this run and got poseidon and artemis naturally. so ...
You want to double down on your Cast in this case and get Vicious Cycle.
timber pike
You want to double down on your Cast in this case and get Vicious Cycle.
I'll remember that for next time I have hunting blades since I died to asterius (again)
mossy zinc
The whole point is that your Cast does all the thinking.
You don't want to do any thinking. You just want to throw your Casts and get out of there.
Ideally with Stygian Soul and getting extra ammo. But you can also go for Infernal Soul for a little more consistency.
flat flicker
But Deadly Strike start and picking up whoever you see first between Lady Demete...
this was the way i broke the 32 heat wall for achilles (via meme beams and splash dash, it was based)
safe plinth
What am I looking for in terms of a build with Rama bow? Iâve been going ares special and aphro attack. Bit lost after that. I can clear 16 but want to work into 32 heat.
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike and anything out of Doom, Hangover, and Lightning on your Special. But Frost Flourish with Killing Freeze is great, too.
Probably best to just focus on Heartbreak Strike start and then pick up Divine Dash in Asphodel.
quartz mantle
What am I looking for in terms of a build with Rama bow? Iâve been going ares sp...
That's it you found the build
there really is nothing else
Outside of hammers which you want the ones that just kinda seem better than all the rest
Twin, Triple, Perfect, Pointblank
quiet mountain
What am I looking for in terms of a build with Rama bow? Iâve been going ares sp...
powershot a lot
safe plinth
Yeah gotta work on the power shot timing.
quiet mountain
ri2 is cracked
safe plinth
Ha. Just got twin shot, Athena dash, and ares special. Still got wrecked before Meg. Good grief. I need to change my pact set up.
Is there a standard set up for 32 heat?
quiet mountain
Is there a standard set up for 32 heat?
what ur pact rn
quiet mountain
ew I hate demeter forcing herself in my pool
y u hate dem
timber pike
y u hate dem
shes not that bad I just find her boons the least useful. although I am doing achilles hunting blade so she might have a few boons on offer to help
for core boons I only really like the call from her and the cast is ok, but im not using it now of course
i guess ravenous will is kinda useful here?
quiet mountain
if i want dem to be auxillary i usually look 4
frozen touch, rarecrop, snow burst, or raven will
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
@safe plinth that should do the trick.
safe plinth
Ok. Iâll try that.
mossy zinc
You know how to get DDs from Lady Athena when you have Stubborn Defiance?
safe plinth
Um, no.
undone tartan
Hi Nyaa
safe plinth
TD 3 is tough
mossy zinc
Hello, UnholyPancake.
mossy zinc
Um, no.
If you lose your SD in the chamber before picking up her Last Stand or Deathless Stand, you'll get a DD from the boon. And when you enter the next chamber, you also get your DD back.
So the strategy here is to get Heartbreak Strike, then Divine Dash, and then DDs from Lady Athena.
And something good on your Special, whatever you come across.
undone tartan
Maybe even look for smair if itâs convenient
mossy zinc
Yeah, Smoldering Air is great if you come across it.
quiet mountain
smair is good because the only calls it doesnt work well with suck anyway
undone tartan
Itâs amazing with anything because i frames
mossy zinc
Actually when you're using Rama, switch CF2 to DC2 instead.
quiet mountain
while true opp cost.
undone tartan
Yeah Smair + arty aid is still good but I feel like Iâm missing out
quiet mountain
Actually when you're using Rama, switch CF2 to DC2 instead.
haow com
undone tartan
Rama has a pretty easy time with DC2, especially when deadline isnât much of an issue (since you have JS0 and CP0 and no EM4)
quiet mountain
nice
mossy zinc
TD3 on Rama is also gonna be easier with CFO DC2 than with CF2 DC0.
undone tartan
Also true
mossy zinc
Everything I say is true.
pure lily
Even if you say "you always lie?"
safe plinth
Ha. I just do so much better with Eris rail.
mossy zinc
Eris is very easy to play.
left prism
Eris has good vibes
snow smelt
hello https://imgur.com/a/2LIHHUt anyone has some tips about wich order to take whe climbing heat?
i'm in 5 heat now
with my sword
mossy zinc
That looks fine. There's a prophecy for completing runs with each of the pacts enabled at least once (not all at the same time).
So I suggest you just experiment and try out everything, and then you can get a lot of Titan Blood from the prophecy.
snow smelt
thanks
pure lily
V good advice it's like 15 blood or something
Also experiment with different weapons too
bronze rapids
3 casts
next acorn
Hourglass
steel drum
Is there a guide somewhere for all the abbreviations you guys are using?
left prism
Is there a guide somewhere for all the abbreviations you guys are using?
Pinned messages
steel drum
Pinned messages
Thanks!
tidal flame
does anyone have the link to the heat randomizer? i think i saw it somewhere before
nevermind found it
mossy zinc
If anybode else is interested: https://hadesheat.onrender.com/
pure lily
Randomized 32 heat sounds fun tbh
tidal flame
Yeah that's why I asked tbh
mossy zinc
Good for you tbh
cursive portal
Wanted to try randomised 50 but game kept forcing me into mirrorless LC4 EM4
empty reef
And you complete this heat randomizer with this https://perchance.org/hadesbuild , a build generator ^^' (made by someone from this discord sadly dont remember who đŠ )
dapper schooner
i got one of the most cursed randomized 32s possible
mirrorless AP2 CP2
i think theres very little chance i win this
hoary pasture
lol
dapper schooner
died to dad đ
cursive portal
how
dapper schooner
used the ange1 zag shield buildâąïž
dapper schooner
how <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
i went in with like half HP
because i ate a styx trap
cursive portal
dapper schooner
maybe if the randomizer put that RI4 heat towards something easy like EM instead huh
pure lily
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/907552484074074155/944965778380304384/unk...
That might be the worst possible 32
dapper schooner
That might be the worst possible 32
nah
taking out stuff like UC till LC4
and then it would be the worst
also if it was TD3 i would have timed out in ely
cursive portal
the zag shield dream
dapper schooner
angel i have no idea how you dont timeout on your 60/62 runs
this didnt even have js3 dc2
but the damage is just not there
cursive portal
idk I just press attack and release it at opportune times
undone tartan
That might be the worst possible 32
EM4 LC4 RI4 is a 22 heat pact that is probably harder than that
timber pike
I got HLO LC0 CF2 EM4 CP1 BP2 MM1 HS RI3 DC2 AP1 And TD1
why doesn't this sound that bad. the main problem sounds like em4
and with no lasting consequences you can use death defiances, having much more health overall
depending on what aspect you're using, ap1 is fine if you don't need too many specific boons. idk which mirror talents RI3 takes away though...
timber pike
thats what I thought..I haven't memorized the mirror talents so I wasn't sure how bad it was
what does it take away
oh wait
it would take away fated persuasion
pure lily
Time to try anyway!
timber pike
calisthenics program sounds cursed too
undone tartan
it would take away fated persuasion
More importantly, it takes away Dark Foresight and Greater Reflex
jaunty falcon
Takes away everything except the first 3
undone tartan
Are there any weapons that would use RI3 before like at least 58 heat?
jaunty falcon
Zeus maybe
cursive portal
zag shield
dapper schooner
RI truly the worst heat option
quiet mountain
Are there any weapons that would use RI3 before like at least 58 heat?
gilga (bc aspect dashses
quiet mountain
doesnt mean u cant do ri3 td1 smh
dapper schooner
gilga (bc aspect dashses
rutheless reflex is like half the reason to use the aspect
quiet mountain
ye
next acorn
RI3 is awful
waxen relic
people badmouthing RI again i see 
next acorn
people truthing
waxen relic
mossy zinc
Fear is for the weak.
quartz mantle
gilga (bc aspect dashses
Nah Gilga doesn't function properly on it's own it really misses the 50% damage from Ruthless with RI3
mossy zinc
But you get +25% from Maim.
timber pike
alright guess I'll try running achilles some more
timber pike
eventually because I'm not doing it now...i think ill just go on a longer break
mossy zinc
It's not a job. Just play when you feel like playing.
pure lily
I wish I could get paid to play
pseudo kernel
ill pay you
mossy zinc
Always funny to me when people talk about "Hades pros" like there's any money to be made playing Hades.
RB | Nyaanyaa Mewmew when?
quartz mantle
Haelien got paid to play Hades
mossy zinc
How did you get sponsored by Uno btw?
quartz mantle
I know a guy
pure lily
ill pay you
How much
pseudo kernel
12 mexican pesos per heat
shy gulch
i too wish we could get paid to play this game đ would have so much moneys...
pseudo kernel
ill pay you
shy gulch
ayo?
jaunty falcon
A dollar for every second below 7 minutes
pure lily
12 mexican pesos per heat
Per second?
jaunty falcon
Per peso
pseudo kernel
Per second?
per heat cleared
pseudo kernel
A dollar for every second below 7 minutes
i dont make that kinda money
pseudo kernel
pogger
pure lily
per heat cleared
No take backs. That's 384 p for a 32 heat clear
I could prolly do 3-4 an hour
pure lily
384 pesos is 19 bucks
jaunty falcon
Iâll pay you a fiver per Aphrodite boon purged
pseudo kernel
thats a good deal
quartz mantle
Bet
pure lily
3 clears an hour is 57 bucks
quartz mantle
I could get a solid $50 per run
jaunty falcon
Obligatory @ nyaanyaa mewmew
mossy zinc
I don't find that amusing.
mossy zinc
Watch your tone.
jaunty falcon
If I pick up ONE aphrodite boon, itâs getting purged like nobodyâs business
pure lily
I care
eternal hare
why
pure lily
Don't worry about it
devout quiver
pure lily
<:thonking:585859730082365480>
Yip yip
raw cloud
why :(
timber pike
why
pure lily
Yes
timber pike
but...why
pure lily
Why
flat flicker
Why not?
empty reef
whats happening here đ
honest kernel
gods legacy or gods pride
undone tartan
Depends on context
Pride is better more often though
Because 23% chance for epic Hermes is way way better than 3%
mossy zinc
You think?
undone tartan
Iâd say so
mossy zinc
But then how do you get Stubborn Roots?
hardy garden
both are scams
hoary pasture
Kinda true
jaunty falcon
Everyone says gods pride OP but all my fastest times are with legacy
hoary pasture
undone tartan
Epic Hermes is nowhere near as important as mirage shot
jaunty falcon
Tbh, if youâre high rolling for Eurydice, getting rare+ rd isnât even that rare
I donât know why more aspects donât run legacy
I think ME is a legacy aspect
You literally only need epic on 2 boons, attack and rd/dashes
hoary pasture
I kinda like Legacy ME
But just think about how many times you get epic flood flare
Pride is just way more attempts
devout quiver
i like trying to high roll so i tended towards legacy 90% of the time
though last time i played i was trying to clear 32 on each weapon, so I think i was running pride for that
hoary pasture
I could go Legacy for a clear yea
But if Iâm trying to beat a pb with ME like fists or sword Iâd probably do pride just so you get more attempts in
Also Zeus
mossy zinc
I think that for the most part, Gods' Legacy only really makes sense if you're going for multiple tier 3 boons.
mossy zinc
Only need one Duo Boon? Probably Pride. Want Hunting Blades, Vicious Cycle, maybe Mirage Shot, Fully Loaded, and Bad News? Gods' Legacy.
hoary pasture
I barely get Mirage alone on Legacy beo
mossy zinc
Longtime Hades players will notice that you don't actually meet the requirements for Fully Loaded because the build I described is a Cast build, which are incompatible with Fully Loaded. It only shows up when you're not doing a Cast build.
mossy zinc
That is how the game is coded. Don't blame me, thank Amir.
It's nobody's fault but Amir's.
hoary pasture
Must be a blessed pb
jaunty falcon
Iâm on the extreme end of the fully loaded luck spectrum
devout quiver
Taking Plume through Asphodel just to try and get Bad News Beo
hoary pasture
But you gotta break it
devout quiver
ah, memories
hoary pasture
Taking Plume through Asphodel just to try and get Bad News Beo <:bouldy:52332911...
Ah yes stygian flood flare
jaunty falcon
Infernal plume đ€
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Beowulf, too
That explains it. Must be another Beowulf bug.
jaunty falcon
Wonder what it would have been with mirage
devout quiver
clear hacks
jaunty falcon
Since you only had 2.5 casts here
hoary pasture
I donât think it matters too much when you instaphase lol
hardy garden
5 casts and a billion cast damage
half heart
Instaphase?
hoary pasture
Yea 2 shots 2 ichors with epic rd
devout quiver
i'm glad you have the little chibi icons up top because i could not figure out who your 4th god was
jaunty falcon
And 2 braids worth of chaos damage
half heart
Do you perhaps have footage of this run?
hoary pasture
I donât record my casual runs but I just recorded the dad fight on this one
I can upload it later today and ping you since Iâm away from my laptop atm
Hopefully I didnt delete it accidentally
devout quiver
waiting for EM4 HL5 FO2
cursive portal
hoary pasture
I donât make good use of it
In EM4
Sometimes I just take powershots from far yknow
half heart
Constant 2-2,5k dmg
dapper schooner
https://youtu.be/NFoX_HWlp9Q
dog skip
hoary pasture
dog skip pretty nice yea
2 darkness is really sad tho
Just as he's about to phase
killed the sub1
I also missed a volley at the start of phase 3
pure lily
https://youtu.be/NFoX_HWlp9Q
What was your other debuff
hoary pasture
Snow burst + weak from the cast
hoary pasture
My brightness is pretty high
cursive portal
skelly voice THE PAIN IS INDESCRIBABLE
pseudo kernel
have you considered lowering the difficulty?
solemn pulsar
you got hit front + behind
i think all the non deflectable hitboxes can do that
since they're uncancellable i g
mossy zinc
I actually think you simply got hit from the side there. https://i.imgur.com/pq4lwEb.png
cursive portal
you got hit front + behind
because of this apparently
undone tartan
Weird
mossy zinc
The important takeaway is you would have survived both hits and won if you'd had Weak.
cursive portal
then timed out and died immediately after
mossy zinc
No.
If you'd had Lady Aphrodite's Greater Call, you could have easily finished him of.
cursive portal
AP2
mossy zinc
Faith.
timber pike
if you were one of aphrodites followers she would've rewarded you by giving you her call
pure lily
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/945391256173940747/FUU...
Is this your tutorial on how to lose 140 health in 2 seconds?
pure lily
ashen garnet
If you'd had Lady Aphrodite's Greater Call, you could have easily finished him o...
Aphrodite's charm also messes up bosses patterns and durations
ashen garnet
Considered it, but eating an instant swipe is such a run ender and require an insane level of pattern learning to compensate
undone tartan
More like they exploit you. Sometimes they just donât do the windup
and thatâs why Aphroditeâs aid is the worst call 
mossy zinc
I have no idea how y'all get hit by a sweep after Charm, that's like the easiest thing to dodge.
pure lily
Aphro call does big damage
undone tartan
Only on bosses
pseudo kernel
Aphro call does big damage
especially with smoldering air
undone tartan
And to get that big damage you have to sacrifice your easy call i-frames
ashen garnet
Also noticed that precisely hitting CP2 breakpoints with Aphro's greater call require quite some practice
pure lily
I hit em4 hades with it with Priviledge status and it did so much damage
undone tartan
Also noticed that precisely hitting CP2 breakpoints with Aphro's greater call re...
Why do you need to be precise?
pure lily
Sometimes you're in elysium and dont have a call yet and can't be picky tho
ashen garnet
Why do you need to be precise?
To get the dps advantage without charm's drawback in case you really need to use it against bosses
mossy zinc
If Aphrodite's Aid isn't working out for you, here's some advice. #h1-builds-and-combat message
undone tartan
To get the dps advantage without charm's drawback in case you really need to use...
Ok itâs not that bad
undone tartan
If Aphrodite's Aid isn't working out for you, here's some advice. https://discor...
I donât have to click that link to know where it will send me
mossy zinc
ashen garnet
Just saying this precise aid can have a massive and unexpected drawback, so advised readers of this channel won't be as surprised as I was first time it happened to me
undone tartan
With Aphroditeâs Aid, charm is still more helpful than it is harmful on bosses. But idk if I can say the same for Unhealthy Fixation tbh
At least not on medium speed or slow weapons
mossy zinc
Okay, now put Unhealthy Fixation on Chiron with Heartbreak Flourish and try dying to EM4.
undone tartan
Well yeah, thereâs exceptions
mossy zinc
Unhealthy Fixation is at worst a 4s stun on normal enemies and 1.2s stun on bosses.
undone tartan
Or something that, at any time and with very little warning, can cause a boss to do a usually-slow attack with no windup
mossy zinc
Not at any time. After precisely 1.2 seconds. And you definitely have time to react.
undone tartan
I feel like Iâm satisfied to stop at learning every attackâs telegraph, hitbox, windup, and the easiest way to dodge it. Iâd rather not also have to learn how to avoid that attack when a symbol randomly shows up above a boss and then 1.2 seconds later it does one of many possible attacks instantly
Plus, if I donât have control of when the charm happens, itâs hard to imagine Iâd get a ton of use out of it
flat flicker
Plus, if I donât have control of when the charm happens, itâs hard to imagine Iâ...
on chiron bow, 15% chance with eight arrows
means you can assume you'll get it 2/3 of the time, conservatively
undone tartan
Again, thereâs exceptions
flat flicker
if you're paying attention it helps. a lot of the value of charm is that you have a free second
like even if you just used it to dash a little further away
timber pike
i'm not moving onto 40 heat anytime soon, but what's the general 40 heat pact?
the only things I could think of adding would be F02 and maybe EM4, though some people apparently don't like taking it until like 50 heat
jaunty falcon
No em4
pseudo kernel
no be a gamer and do em4
jaunty falcon
Itâs basically the 32 pact with both HL5 and FO2 but with AP1 and a bit of JS/DC/HS depending on aspect
pure lily
Em4 if beo
timber pike
oh god HS
pseudo kernel
Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3
That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.
In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.
So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.
undone tartan
Stay away from EM4 until at least 50
pure lily
Unless beo
pseudo kernel
Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2...
this guide is good except for the part that says cf
pure lily
undone tartan
this guide is good except for the part that says cf
I use CF2 at 40, cope
timber pike
i use cf2 at 32
undone tartan
That one is a bit questionable
timber pike
idk what i would replace it with
undone tartan
Well whatâs your pact?
timber pike
its the normal 32 heat pact
jaunty falcon
I use CF2 at 2 heat
timber pike
use em4 at 4 heat
jaunty falcon
đ€
undone tartan
10
timber pike
TEN
jaunty falcon
1+2+3+4
flat flicker
I beat 64 heat by doing 32 twice
peak gamer
@pseudo kernel donât die in dead cells
pseudo kernel
i hope you stub your toe