Damn, FO2 takes some getting used to
#h1-high-heat-strategies
astral peak
hoary pasture
Indeed
flat flicker
i think early on in pushing heat, at least in my case i didnt really think about how they'd overlap, there's a point around 20 heat where those interactions become a problem but since so many people yeet it and get lucky, they develop bad habits. source: 1-0, then 1-10 in 32 heat runs because em4 lol
next acorn
I did TD0 because number in corner scary
astral peak
When thanatos can save your run
timber pike
I did TD0 because number in corner scary
I’m probably going to always use tight deadline after I finish this one run to do the final pacts I need to earn 15 blood. cp, ap, and ri
There’s a way to do 32 heat and avoid those pacts right?
next acorn
CP, AP, and RI?
timber pike
CP, AP, and RI?
Yes
timber pike
Because I’m finding those first two in particular very annoying. Im doing low heat just to clear those
next acorn
If you want to make a good 32 pact this is a nice thing to look at
I like doing HL4, LC4, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, TD3
But 32 is very flexible
timber pike
I like doing HL4, LC4, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, TD3
That sounds manageable. When I move onto 32 heat eventually I’ll try that out
flat flicker
Bad guide it has CF as easy
and em4 as hard too
next acorn
Bad guide it has CF as easy
TRUE
timber pike
I did convenience fee on my last run
It was low heat but it wasn’t that bad
Of course I did have side hustle
flat flicker
CF is brutal
Side note: purple chaos money boons in Tartarus are easy wins most of the time
if you’re in hourglass scumming territory
timber pike
I won’t say it wasn’t difficult. There was a point where I couldn’t buy a death defiance
I wouldn’t want to continue taking it but it was interesting to do it for the prophecy
next acorn
True pain is seeing Styx Hermes cost 900
flat flicker
Or having 260 and can’t buy a Charon boon
timber pike
And on one of my failed attempts I couldn’t afford getting Athena boons to potentially restore my defiances
astral peak
Hmm
astral peak
I never thought CF as a problem but now that i think about it..
jaunty falcon
CF optimal on sword for hoarding slash runs 🤑
astral peak
I guess it should be labeled as conditional in that chart?
jaunty falcon
Nah I think it’s always kinda bad
flat flicker
Not being able to afford a tart midshop boon can be a ballache
jaunty falcon
TD3 conditional is just a skill issue honestly
jaunty falcon
High heat calls for drunken strike
It’s actually optimal if you can’t get jolted reliably
Because poms are fairly easy to guarantee
jaunty falcon
Nah it can deal solid damage
timber pike
So it would be best on fists, right?
jaunty falcon
It’s solid on anything that can maintain max stacks
quartz mantle
If you're running AP2 it's hard to get zeus attack and jolted so your damage is pretty lacking for most of the run but dio attack with poms is easier to get and does comparable damage
flat flicker
High heat calls for drunken strike
True
flat flicker
So it would be best on fists, right?
My best time on Eris was actually with dio attack (at the time it was just because)
and I ran with it lol
trim sigil
Bad guide it has CF as easy
Good guide CF is easy
pseudo kernel
No it's not bar of crab
next acorn
CF bad
Damue 62 zag shield 👀 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tF411H7GB
he has a really cool strat for dad
next acorn
4 damage + acorn yeah
hardy garden
when just gets acorn insta deleted by gorgon
bronze rapids
yeah something about camping in the lower right corner I was too tired to translate
bronze rapids
I think he took 4 damage in the entire fight
Smh the thumbnail reads damageless EM4
hardy garden
well dad himself didnt damage him
also has no one else figured out that cheese spot before lol
fallow sun
Damue 62 zag shield 👀 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tF411H7GB
62 Heat?
next acorn
Yes
next acorn
also has no one else figured out that cheese spot before lol
I guess not
He wrote a lot about it, isn’t as simple as it looks ig
62 heat is currently the unseeded WR for zag shield, and the overall heat record along with zeus shield. prior to this the only assumed way to reach 62 heat was zeus shield's explosive return. for zag shield, except for being able to take RI3 for 2 free heat, there's no actual difference from other weapons' 60 heat clears and zeus shield. Charged shot is the only method that can take advantage of the shield's defense, sacrificing mobility to achieve 62 heat on shield.
this run's strategy is inspired by Angelic, exploring charged shot and improving on the dps method. Angelic originaly used aphro attack similarly to exploding launcher, but this only deals enough damage to do CP1 DC1. I changed aphro to arty attack and as a result from ranged to melee, dealing 40 dash strike/standing attack damage on top of the charged shot. This effectively deals with DC and adds damage, along wiith better grouping and potential wall slams to speed up the run.
as for EM4, I found a spot to cheese dad! pioneering the "hide in corner" strat, it is possible to achieve very high levels of dps very safely from charged shot, as well as standing attacks.
if you watched the vod and think the corner strat is easy, you should try for yourself in a corner. even if you could block for the entriety of the fight, you may still get destroyed by dad's shield breaking moves, 3 dds won't save you. Here's a detailed breakdown of the laws and physics behind this strategy:
because EM4 dad has many attacks that can go through your block, the key to using charged shot is "how to prevent him from breaking your shield" while maintaining dps.
first we need to know which attacks from EM4 dad goes through your block point blank:
spear throw, cast, thrust, multiple cast into thrust, thriple spear throw's final spear, triple cast into spear throw.
there really are many attacks that breaks your shield, and some such as thrust and spear throw can happen too quickly for you to dodge and re-block, therefore it's not realistic to rely on dodging, playing from range also limits dps.
this is when the corner becomes useful: the walls around that corner isn't straight, and often confuses dad when you're in the right spot. we can abuse this to counter his attacks:
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the little pertruding part of the wall will block dad's thrust. no thrust will hit you when you're blocking (29:07, didn't say "blocked" because it didnt hit)
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dad's cast and multiple cast into thrust as well as p1 spear throw all aim at you first and then shoot while standing still, and won't be point blank. this means that when you're in the corner and dad spots you, he won't walk up to you and then cast (when he walks up to you first its usally a thrust or spin), meaning there will not be any point blank shield breaking casts.
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p3's triple cast into spear throw are separate moves in a sequence (he might move closer to you mid sequence) and every move point blank can break your block. but due to 2., most of the time he will spot you from a distance and cast from range, and all you need to do is block. rarely he would walk up to you and then cast (in p1 too) but the 1st cast he does point blank won't break your shield (meaning youre safe in p1) but every cast afterwards starting from the second has a chance to break your block. and the spear throw (except in p1) most definitely will. therfore when dad walks up to you to triple cast into spear throw you can do one of two things:
3.1 dash strike onto the side to block. if dad spots you he will cast from range
Man really went to the lab
fallow sun
That's incredibly methodical, damn
flat flicker
devout quiver
this chad has more max hp on 62 heat than i usually have on sub 32
that hades fight is hilarious
hoary pasture
hades was trying to find an opening to hit him
unlike me trying to find an opening to hit hades
ember bronze
That is super cool
solemn dune
Hey I'm kinda new to high heat runs, what should I take from patroclus when running stubborn defiance and 100% no healing pact
hardy garden
Hey I'm kinda new to high heat runs, what should I take from patroclus when runn...
touch of styx dark will apply to stubborn defiance whether you have lc4 or not. hydralite will do nothing though
ember bronze
Touch of Styx Dark, specifically, is one of the best things you can get...it's a huge deal for your run
grave glade
Is sd reccomended for 32 heat? I’m almost done with all the bounties so going to be trying 32 soon
ember bronze
yeah, general consensus that learning to play SD+LC4 is very worthwhile heat (frankly easy heat) to add, once you take a bit to learn to play that way
There's a good argument the game is easier with SD, so, pretty cheap heat 😛 . The main issue is that you have to get stable at the boss fights--learning players can often lose multiple DDs at bosses 3 and 4 and that has to stop
bronze rapids
There are also some who prefer the FO2 + DD route at 32
ember bronze
I'm sure, but I'm on the "FO0 is so easy you should cling to it as long as possible" train, when it comes to, what's most likely to get people wins
solemn dune
Well cool thanks. I did my first 32 first try....then did 40 first try, then thought what the heck bumped it up to 45 but died on Hades after a 4-room sack. Pretty good for a first try though!
solemn dune
Still didn't feel that hard though, I think I could do 50
hoary pasture
what aspect are you doing
solemn dune
Hestia
hoary pasture
Hestia quite nice yea
cursive portal
shackle comfy
empty reef
Damue 62 zag shield 👀 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tF411H7GB
lol the Hades fight ^^'. But crazy run wow
He uses charged shot right?
next acorn
He did yeah
empty reef
always tought that hammer was bad but it seems to work in fact xD
next acorn
It’s less safe but more damage
empty reef
62 is the max heat? you can't go higher?
cursive portal
more damage=safer
cursive portal
62 is the max heat? you can't go higher?
you would need to turn off the stubborn defiance that lets you die in each room
empty reef
ah
cursive portal
this isnt possible at this level with no healing aside from hearts and 100% more damage, aswell as timing out with more foes, 30% more hp, EM4
empty reef
yeah ^^
cursive portal
I have been making a push for mirrorless recently also on zag shield
got to 56 so far, 64 still shouldnt be possible
empty reef
wow 56 thats awesome. Im very far from that Kappa
timber pike
wow 56 thats awesome. Im very far from that Kappa
How’s your runs been going
empty reef
well for the moment i'm increasing by 1 heat every run to get as many rewards as i can and max all the aspects. The highest i did was 11 with gilga fists
im 100% sure i could go higher but im just farming titan blood ^^
timber pike
well for the moment i'm increasing by 1 heat every run to get as many rewards as...
Most I did so far is 12 with the bow I think. I know I’m likely to not use every single aspect so I’m not farming for blood by doing every single heat level
I’m probably going to focus on the ones I use most
empty reef
hehe, yesterday i tried chiron bow and i loved it !
timber pike
And improving my run speed as I work up to 32 heat, and do the 15 blood prophecy
timber pike
hehe, yesterday i tried chiron bow and i loved it !
I didn’t really like it at first but I did one with drunken flourish on special and it was ok
fallow sun
Damn. EM bosses are a new level
I've been popped by EM3 and EM2 bosses now, first time theyve killed me in like 20 runs
ember bronze
You spend a while playing EM3 but not EM4--and EM3 is probably the hardest part of the game during that window
fallow sun
Yea
Legit, and I know people dont like this Pact, but JS3 felt easier than EM3
I guess it's because TD mixes badly with it
Oh well, it's worth gitting gud to beat them, cause one day I'm gonna have to fight EM4
bronze rapids
Yeah JS CP and DC mess with TD esp if you don't have area damage
JS 2 and 3 is like
There's more of them??
timber pike
What does jury summons do again
shy plinth
More mobs
ember bronze
What are the explosive shot Rama feels
quartz mantle
Decent coping for 2nd hammer if you have twin or triple first hammer
don't take it over perfect or pointblank but it's solid
astral peak
I havent even thought about that combination. Must take forever
Td3 explosive rama challenge
quartz mantle
You just don't powershot
you charge it as much as you can but you're able to get decent damage if you have Twin or Triple
ember bronze
Yeah, that's what I was wondering
the damage of quick shots is so much higher
probably not optimal if you're very good at powershotting constantly, or playing a different where you have to powershot constantly and optimize around that
but intuitively feels like useful damage in a lot of cases
shy plinth
I feel like explosive triple rama is basically a fists aspect
Where your melee attack is replaced by a charged demeter special
quartz mantle
The strat is you anvil for Triple Explosive Point Blank
shy plinth
Oh my
quartz mantle
Get crits for like 7 million
ember bronze
there might also be a factor where if you have bad additive bonuses (attack boon, chaos, whatever), Explosive gets better
Are armored wringers passively faster than regular wringers?
astral peak
Where your melee attack is replaced by a charged demeter special
Im in
Aphro, artemis, or ME
eternal hare
armored enemies are just straight up faster than unarmored ones
and yeah agreed with the above with explosive shot
honest kernel
explosive ruins your dmg if you dont have a hammer to support it otherwise its ok
I dont like having to take it
hoary pasture
I kinda like explosive
Coped too much with it on AP2 because I cant be bothered to reset for a good one
Atleast when you play too much Explosive then get Twin Perfect you feel like your damage is godly
devout quiver
That's because it is
hoary pasture
It is yea
honest kernel
ap2 gave me explosive and repulse and i am still salty abt the timeout that was followed by this
mossy zinc
But you got Repulse Shot, what more could you ask for.
half heart
Got a question - is Chrion + Dionisous special a good combination for 32 heat run?
And how to deal with buffed shield guys in Elysium? :)
hoary pasture
Yup
It’s a good combo, maybe try to go for Low Tolerance and have pstatus on
For shield guys just watch for their attacks since they only have 2 and dash behind them then throw a volley or two and move on to another enemy and let the Hangover do the work
half heart
I was thinking of using artemis/aphrodyte/ares duo boon
half heart
But still i think i lack aoe dmg cause i run out of the time
hoary pasture
Yea that’s how Chiron rolls
You can go for Tidal dash start if you really want that aoe
And get either Artemis or Dio on Special
quartz mantle
You can also just run JS0 and then you don’t really have to worry about aoe too much
half heart
Or go rathma/hera bow
hoary pasture
Or Poseidon even
All the bows are quite strong for 32
If you’re used to Rama you shouldnt have any time problems
quartz mantle
Optimal Chiron is just playing bad zag bow for tart and then hoping you get a good special by asphodel
So you start with Aphro attack and then hope you get Arty, Dio, or Pos special
half heart
There could be just lack of skill in bow (least amount of gameplay with), beat 20 heat and bow is the only weapon i don't have 32 heat clear
hoary pasture
Yea totally
32 is not too easy
If you keep practicing it you should get it eventually through cleaner enemies/ good build etc
half heart
Btw, I'm not droping em4 
hoary pasture
Yea that’s also a time problem
quartz mantle
Chiron is one of the better ones for EM4 tbh
Your damage can really ramp up with the right build
hoary pasture
The single target damage is pretty good
quartz mantle
As long as you’re not taking CF, RI, or AP you’re vibing
hoary pasture
Just don’t get too greedy with Specials because it locks you in place
half heart
Yeah, good kiting and single target dmg
hoary pasture
Heartrend or Sea Storm might be better picks for EM4
Since Hades shrugs Hangover with darkness
But it’s fine, I’ve done it at 50 the damage is okay especially with good hammers
half heart
After the work I think I need to change cf
hoary pasture
CF is pain
half heart
Yeah bow at least doesn't have some meme hammer boons :P
quartz mantle
Explosive repulse relentless moment
hoary pasture
Explosive is quite gaming tho
half heart
I cant keep distance with fast enemies
But annoying part is that after hit it stops charging shot
hoary pasture
half heart
And the matter of shield guys
hoary pasture
gonna flex this everytime
half heart
I see you don't like fists
I myself can only find their appeal with merciful end build :)
half heart
I myself like the most artur and nemezis sword, eris and beowulf
Achilles with hunting blades if i want to see 8k dmg is excellent too
half heart
I'm on the work ATM and I can check it after 7 hours
flat flicker
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/925805984742518814/unk...
no em4, unbased
also congrats
mossy zinc
no em4, unbased
Where's your 55 Heat EM4 victory?
flat flicker
It’s like 1 month ago
you posted it this morning lol
hoary pasture
Indeed
hoary pasture
Since you like EM4 check the 50 Hades spear I did this morning
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp
bronze rapids
How much do youall Hades spear high heaters use the spin
astral peak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/925805984742518814/unk...
Damn
eternal hare
a decent amount
hoary pasture
But in general you want to try to keep the debuff up
eternal hare
it's a very significant debuff
hoary pasture
Yea
eternal hare
it's kinda like shared suffering
where more uptime is good if it's safe to maintain it
quartz mantle
It’s good for using it on enemy waves as they’re spawning
mossy zinc
Something important to keep in mind is that a quick release is as good as a max spin as far as applying the debuff goes.
But one is a lot faster.
pure lily
What attack we looking for for Hestia?
cursive portal
Mostly aphrodite
Artemis can be very good with chaos dash strike/attack boons
Demeter and Athena if they have rarity
quartz mantle
Shackle
left prism
Ye
pure lily
Is Poseidon bad? I was thinking knock back could be good if playing FO2 but I know damage isn't as great, but maybe with rupture ?
left prism
sorry what's shackle again
+100% attack/special/cast if the slot doesnt have a boon
pure lily
Sounds like APhro keepsake starting the run tho
hoary pasture
Poseidon % is so low even at Epic
jaunty falcon
Not even 60%
hoary pasture
And the knockback is annoying, Hestia doesnt need it if you one shot armor in one hit and enemies in another
hoary pasture
For Knockback you can do Dash or Special
But you have to dash towards enemies to knock them back so that defeats the point lol and the Special isnt reliable since it's not too quick so you wont be really using that defensively
Divine Dash should be better overall defensively
And it opens up DDs aswell
I also really like Phalanx
In general, not just for Hestia, it's a good deflect box can save you from hits quite often if you cast frequently
pure lily
ok
hardy garden
poseidon attack is kinda terrible
hardy garden
and just big damage yep
pure lily
Yeah I'm pretty dependent on athena with 100% HL and the health one
I asked this the other day but kind of forgot so apologizes but are you supposed to use special at all or is the reload buff just for the bullet
hoary pasture
You can do Demeter attack to help with FO so you dont get hit as often
pure lily
attack reload attack reload
slow vs weak, yeah
I do love an epic rare crop when it drops
hoary pasture
You kinda want to use your Special ever other Attack
hardy garden
using the special is literally free
pure lily
while buffed though?
hardy garden
since you can do it while you reload
pure lily
or while reloading
hoary pasture
Especially if Rocket or Hazard
hardy garden
the buff doesnt affect the special
pure lily
okay
hardy garden
its a free input while reloading
hardy garden
same with casting
pure lily
hazard bomb
eternal hare
Hazard good
pure lily
I didn't like speed running as much as I thought so I'm going to remove my mod and go for more 40+ heats
hardy garden
its great on hestia or zag rail
pure lily
chase the frustration
hardy garden
or delta eris
eternal hare
Just a little hard to aim when stuff is moving a lot
pure lily
What other hammers
cursive portal
its great on hestia or zag rail
spread fire hazard
eternal hare
Ideally cluster rockets
pure lily
any attack ones good? Ricochet?
eternal hare
Piercing and ricochet also good
eternal hare
if you're just looking to clear you definitely don't need much in the way of hammers
clockets necessary only if you're doing something ambitious like sub-10 or sub-9 50-heat lol
hardy garden
its only for speedrunning
solemn pulsar
Not true I use it when I forget to take it off from speedrunning and just have 50 less max hp the whole run 
mossy zinc
I like taking it for high heat speedruns to speed up at least early Tartarus or something and then getting chamber 1 Chaos Gate.
half heart
@mossy zinc Was trying to post screenshot on this channel, but no help
mossy zinc
<@!311477984886521856> Was trying to post screenshot on this channel, but no hel...
Not sure why you pinged me for that, but...
"I'm not able to directly upload in those other channels!"
This is true, we only allow direct image uploads in #h1-victory-boasting and #fan-works. However, link embeds are allowed. Upload your content to an external host such as Imgur, or even your own private Discord server, and post the image link to the appropriate channel.
Oh, for the pact you're using? Got it.
Anyway yeah, just gotta upload it to imgur or something and share the link.
half heart
cursive portal
EM4 CF2 and CP1 gotta go
mossy zinc
Chiron will also have a much easier time with HL5 FO0 than with HL0 FO2.
CF2 isn't as big a deal for newer players getting into 32 as other pacts. EM4 is bad. CP1 is bad and will just cost you time and make bosses a lot harder.
half heart
I was able to do EM4 with every other weapon
mossy zinc
Doesn't mean there aren't easier pacts.
half heart
Yes, I have checked pinned message 🙂
mossy zinc
If you insist on EM4, try something like HL5 LC2 EM4 BP2 MM UC TD3.
half heart
I'll consider that when I fail now running attempt
mossy zinc
@half heart oh and btw the image permissions in #h1-victory-boasting aren't so you can upload unrelated images there to link them in other channels. The mods will remove those.
half heart
Sure, that's fine
half heart
My God, without FO enemies are so... slow 😄
timber pike
Is CF1 HL1 UC EM3 TD2 LC1 MM good for 16 heat
hardy garden
just do fo1 smh
mossy zinc
CF0 and no UC will give you a much nicer build.
But it's good enough for 16 anyway. Nothing that sticks out as "why would you do that?"
timber pike
just do fo1 smh
Ok thanks
I figured I should change one of them but I didn’t know what
mossy zinc
Pretty sure UnAnanas was memeing lol.
Any FO pact at 32 or below is generally gonna be harder than no FO.
mossy zinc
But it's not like it's a big deal.
I mean that depends on what their goals are.
And even then, imo either just do FO0 or FO2.
timber pike
Pretty sure UnAnanas was memeing lol.
It didn’t sound too ridiculous if I could practice the pact to get used to it
mossy zinc
FO1 such a terrible option.
timber pike
But if it is I probably won’t
hardy garden
it aint that bad smh
mossy zinc
If you're planning to get into high heat or speedrunning, do FO2.
timber pike
I am trying to speedrun and I eventually want to do 32 heat, though I’m unlikely to go higher than that
mossy zinc
it aint that bad smh <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
It's terrible because it's not FO0 nor FO2.
eternal hare
fo2 is a good investment for the future
mossy zinc
Yeah, do FO2 then if you want to learn to be speedy.
And probably don't combine EM3 with that for now. EM2 should be fine though.
EM2 FO2 is standard for speedruns anyway. Sometimes FO1 on certain aspects.
shy plinth
This is my recommended heat prog chart
Other ways to go but this one teaches you a lot of the "base heats" early
My standard 32 is an FO2 pact if you're into that
empty reef
Ah cool i will have a look at that 🙂
bronze rapids
CF1 is ok
CF2 makes me cry
eternal hare
cf2 is a necessary evil
shy plinth
It is ironically inconvenient
timber pike
It is ironically inconvenient
More like inconvenience fee
shy plinth
jaunty falcon
Convenience fee is a timesave in rta speedruns
If you can’t buy anything, you don’t spend time buying stuff
pure lily
big brain
flat flicker
based
hoary pasture
Pog stacked build
half heart
Got a situation where I could choose Dio cast, thought why not, maybe I'll get leg boon, I got this boon before Hades
No, rather I bought near Cerberus the boon, then saw much bigger numbers and then Hades went down
flat flicker
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/938760033213227058/202...
Chad pact
Fits that you would use dio
half heart
Thanks
Apart from chiron and beo I don't know where dio is good expect for excellent support boons
hoary pasture
For high heat you use him for a lot of things
Eris attack / Fists attack / Achilles attack
quartz mantle
Sword attack
hoary pasture
Yea that too
gaunt fiber
Guan Yu special
half heart
Sword attack? 
quartz mantle
#justretrashthings
cursive portal
retrash the type to clear zag sword 53 heat with tempest strike cursed slash
(he did)
flat flicker
retrash the type to clear zag sword 53 heat with tempest strike cursed slash
based
bronze rapids
tempest strike
pseudo kernel
Wait what I wanna see that
pseudo kernel
Nice
pure lily
shadow or fiery presnse with hesita
cursive portal
Fiery for anything lower than 55 heat (EM4+ CP)
eternal hare
when you're failing the one-shot thresholds at that level of heat even with fiery
then you may as well try to get something to help you out with very long and dragged out boss fights
cursive portal
why swap at such high heat
You stop hitting breakpoints with fiery presence, the chaos is much better for shadow, and you start needing damage for EM4 pretty badly so it's needed
pure lily
heroes FO 2 is my bane
mossy zinc
What are you trying to do?
solemn pulsar
beat them on FO2, presumably
mossy zinc
Why would you think that? That's some wild speculation.
grave glade
Do boons sold not in the midbiome room count towards underworld customs requirement?
mossy zinc
No.
pure lily
What are you trying to do?
40 + heat
mossy zinc
Cool cool.
Just do RI3, that'll let you avoid FO2 entirely.
Well, they're similar in difficulty really. Both 6 Heat after all.
hardy garden
jaunty falcon
I’m pretty good at maths so I can confirm that 6 = 6
mossy zinc
Nice. Thanks.
pure lily
Just do RI3, that'll let you avoid FO2 entirely.
Yeah, I just figured I should try to get used to it because at some point ya gotta
I was actually doing pretty good with Hesita with shackles and no boon on attack
But, I'd like acorn or skelly if I get Patty
jaunty falcon
Did you have a call
hardy garden
much better to just get aphro attack and get zeus call
pure lily
Well the aphro attack on that seed was common
half heart
IMO RI is more scary than FO
half heart
You can get used to speedy attacks and enemies
Losing mirror buffs on the other hand is... brutal
jaunty falcon
RI being harder than FO is not a controversial opinion at all
RI will never be “free”
FO can be if you’re experienced with it
hardy garden
dunno about free but yeah fo's difficulty goes down by a lot when youre used to it
mossy zinc
RI3 AP2 and you can avoid HL and FO entirely.
pseudo kernel
I’m pretty good at maths so I can confirm that 6 = 6
Source?
I find that kinda hard to believe
jaunty falcon
I’ll prove by induction
mossy zinc
rmacinty is an expert. He's pretty good at math.
jaunty falcon
If I let n=1, I still get 6 cos there’s no n
pure lily
Ap 2
pseudo kernel
Idk about that but ok
jaunty falcon
Maybe induction isn’t the best method
mossy zinc
"6 Heat = 6 Heat"—Albert Einstein
pseudo kernel
Wait Albert Einstein played hades?
mossy zinc
He predicted Hades with his theory.
pseudo kernel
Damn that's crazy
mossy zinc
Even predicted Baj's 64 Heat clear.
pseudo kernel
Was he the one who created the route?
mossy zinc
Btw the 6 in 64 also equals 6.
mossy zinc
Was he the one who created the route?
No, but it wouldn't have been possible without his Theory of Rerolltivity.
pseudo kernel
Damn Albert Einstein is such a gamer
mossy zinc
He is.
eternal hare
hmm that's a rip
raw cloud
haha funny titans blood number
pseudo kernel
next acorn
it is my quest to get 69 blood 69 diamond 69 ambrosia
timber pike
What’s good pacts for 20 heat
honest kernel
LC4 EM2 BP2 MM UC TD3 with sd
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895331680062165022/938991693485711461/Screenshot_20220203-185717_Chrome.jpg something like this ig
i wouldnt recommend lc4 at 20 heat
pseudo kernel
i dont take uc below 40 heat
quartz mantle
I think if you add LC4 to whatever your 16 heat pact was you can like vibe with that and get used to playing with Stubborn Defiance
Then fill in remaining heat if you want if you’re not at 20 yet
timber pike
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895331680062165022/938991693485711461/S...
I only tried em3 once and timed out to the deadline, but when I’m ready to move to 20 heat I’ll give this a try. It looks good
pure lily
gahh
I'm on a PR run with a great build but am running out of time
ugh that's so sad, I would have won to
hoary pasture
By killing stuff faster
mossy zinc
PR? Underworld marketing? 
pure lily
By killing stuff faster
I tired
died again to the clock
The enemies in elysium are zipping around so fast I'm not sure how to kill them in groups
It's eating all my time
mossy zinc
Are you pushing back the mid-boss after mid-shop? That'll save some time at least.
That is, if you see a mid-boss after the mid-shop in Elysium, skip the first one you see.
Mid-boss in e.g. chamber 33 is better than in chamber 32 since a normal chamber 33 is slower than a normal 32.
pure lily
The butterfly boss?
pure lily
I'm taking the butterfly boss and generally beating it like 20ish seconds
mossy zinc
I mean it's 50/50 whether it's the Soulcatcher or Asterius. Point is that skipping the first mid-boss you see will push it back. You see that done a lot in speedruns because it saves time more often than not.
pure lily
I'm trying to push past 40 heat and tried hestia and rama. With those I kept dying, usually to FO em3
Then I gave beo a whirl
And am surviving (block obviously) but have a hard time killing fast in elysium. I miss a lot as the shades zoom away
half heart
What build are you using on beo?
mossy zinc
Well, what's your pact and mirror and what build are you aiming for?
pure lily
Passion flare
pure lily
Oh crap I forgot mirage was broken
mossy zinc
Passion Flare generally better for high heat anyway.
pure lily
Well, what's your pact and mirror and what build are you aiming for?
For the mirror I generally run the same thing for everyone, switching out the cast as needed, and the first perk
half heart
Dio cast is also an option, but the beginning is harder and you need good RNG with boons
mossy zinc
Can just DM it to me if you want.
mossy zinc
Ah. I'd turn on EM4 since you're using Beowulf.
pure lily
mossy zinc
Then you can turn off AP1 and CF2 and just get a way stronger build.
Passion Flare and then get Snow Burst.
Privileged Status.
pure lily
Em4 but keep fo2 on?
mossy zinc
And Gods' Pride.
mossy zinc
Yeah, should be fine since it's Beowulf and you can still easily get a very powerful build.
mossy zinc
Weak + the DPS you get will do plenty.
pure lily
So other than snow burst how do I get it stronger
pure lily
Cause I had cast pommed to 5, one well buff, and the block buff to give damage
mossy zinc
Maybe Heart Rend, Sweet Nectar, Smair...
Also make sure you have Privileged Status.
Killing Freeze also amazing.
mossy zinc
Yeah, but also if you don't have Charged Shot, don't hesitate to take something like Drunken Strike. That'll also help with damage.
Tidal Dash great for damage if you have Charged Shot.
pure lily
Well, that is all certainly very different than what I was doing, worth the shot
mossy zinc
Frost Strike also actually good if she doesn't offer Snow Burst, especially at high rarity.
pure lily
Why is passion better than mirage at high heat
mossy zinc
Weak with all the t2 benefits, access to Life Affirmation, broken Duo Boon potential but also doesn't rely on a specific Duo Boon to get going.
Also Weak + Chill is just cozy.
For bosses.
mossy zinc
Yeah, that's the issue. Flood Shot without Mirage is kinda sadness.
mossy zinc
Yeah, not necessarily but it's just like... if you get Flood Flare without Mirage Shot you just wish you had Passion Flare instead lol.
pure lily
And it can take a while to get
Well if I'm struggling with time, you think this damage boost will be enough to take an extra dad phase?
mossy zinc
Also means you're likely running Gods' Legacy just to get Mirage Shot... and then you also probably need to use rerolls just to get Mirage Shot...
Yeah, I think you'll be fine. Rest is just gonna be practice, there's no shortcut for that.
pure lily
Yeah
mossy zinc
Gods' Legacy + spending rerolls means the reward you get from Lord Hermes boons for example is gonna be worse.
dapper schooner
hermes not that important on beo anyways
pure lily
Fortunately, I have an epic passion flare run seeded right now
Thanks for the chat and advice
mossy zinc
Getting decent boons from Lord Hermes vs getting garbage is still a huge difference on Beowulf.
Hyper Sprint cozy. Greatest Reflex cozy. Evasion and Second Wind cozy.
Now take your pick out of Swift Strike, Swift Flourish, and Quick Recovery.
Reroll for something decent? But oh no, now you don't get Mirage Shot and you only have 2 rerolls, so you can only reroll once.. and bust again. Better luck next time.
half heart
Somehow I think that even if mirage shot was not bugged on beowulf, it would still be good to that
I mean it's always more damage
mossy zinc
Meta would definitely shift to Passion Flare for speedruns similar to Hera. And then you'd maybe pick up Mirage Shot, but it's not your priority.
half heart
Does Passion Flare has somehow decent range?
At least like Trippy Flare?
And for Hermes boons on Beowulf - I'm just taking feather and get legendary boon
And if I have Charged Shot then I can kite better than with bow
mossy zinc
Well, you're not doing that at high heats really.
I mean good luck trying that with RI1+.
half heart
I haven't played on that high heat
mossy zinc
I forgot the exact ranges for Passion Flare and Trippy Flare, but the range is fine.
Just so long as you don't bug it...
But even then tbh, base Cast AOE is still not terrible.
half heart
What do you mean bug range?
mossy zinc
Icy and Passion Flare
If you have either of these boons and do any of the following, your cast will shrink to the size of base zag flare:
Sell your attack boon
Replace your attack boon
Upgrade the rarity of your cast or attack
Pick up an anvil
If it was caused by rare crop, it can be fixed by upgrading that boon’s rarity with Eurydice.
half heart
Quite complicated
mossy zinc
You can manage it well enough at high heat if you're aware of it, but it's somewhat annoying tbh.
Anyway, not gonna get fixed, so just gotta live with it.
half heart
First of, you need to sell attack boon, which I will avoid
mossy zinc
If they're still looking into fixing that at all, it's def a very low priority, I would think.
Yeah, but at high heat having your options limited like that can be annoying.
Like sometimes you'd be fine with purging Attack, but now you can't really do that.
Or AP2 can force you into an Attack exchange.
Or AP2 can force you into Rare Crop, and then that upgrades your Attack or Cast...
half heart
So what can be done then apart from Eyrydice?
half heart
Trippy flare and then there's no bug 😉
mossy zinc
I mean there is though.
mossy zinc
Trippy Flare (Beowulf Only)
Pom scaling is double what the boon itself says
To calculate the actual amount of damage, do:
( (Displayed damage) - 50/60/70/80 (c/r/e/h) )*2
half heart
Somehow it gives delayed dmg
mossy zinc
No, that's intended.
mossy zinc
It is.
You'll be like, "Thanks, Amir. But I don't want that Attack exchange, now my Passion Flare AOE is smaller. Please fix your game, Amir."
And Amir will be like, "Where did you get my phone number?"
half heart
At least it's not unplayable
mossy zinc
Yeah.
Broken aspect in so many ways, and still a top tier aspect in both speedruns and high heat.
half heart
Big dmg + block aspect + additional aoe = straight up S-tier
mossy zinc
Meanwhile Malphon. 
half heart
?
mossy zinc
Malphon gets low damage, no block, no AOE, no range.
mossy zinc
Weapon.
half heart
I mean it's so risky to use that I forgot it exists
Guan-Yu at least has healing spin
hoary pasture
Not like you should use it
devout quiver
That delay is why I just stopped taking Ice Wine on Dio Beo.
The delay just threw me off too much.
astral peak
Maybe the fist are mean to be the hardest weapon?
All i can think of when it comes to fists is quick stacks
mossy zinc
Just pretty much a result of other weapons getting buffed.
And also especially a result of EM4 design.
Before EM4 and before some of the other weapons were buffed, you'd usually see Malphon aspects near the top of any tier lists.
EM4 is incredibly skewed against melee, though.
Like even just things like the skulls knocking you back, which has virtually no effect on an aspect like Rama or Hestia that can just kill the skulls from well out of the knockback range.
But now try that with Malphon or Stygius lol.
Also shield was already at the top, and then in those same patches, Block and Deflect got their interactions with the skulls swapped.
Before, Deflect would make the skulls disappear and Block would just make them bounce off.
Which really helped melee because at least you could deal with skulls in that way if you have Divine Dash or Divine Strike (Divine Strike on melee was a lot more common then, in part because of that). And Shield was still very strong even with the skulls only bouncing off.
But now Shield is even stronger with skulls just disappearing, and Deflect doesn't make them disappear anymore, so now melee gotta deal with those skulls...
Also Deflect damage to bosses was nerfed, another blow to melee. And Deadly Reversal and Merciful End requirements were tightened, probably in an effort to balance Divine Dash vs the other dashes, but that just hit melee builds a lot harder than ranged builds.
Support Fire was also way stronger and great for Malphon builds.
half heart
For me melee is more fine, but I know it's more dangerous
ashen garnet
Malphon gets low damage, no block, no AOE, no range. <:squirtooh:456913427240189...
Trade offer : you get intensive practice and almost instant dash
half heart
Technically Malphon seems the best for ME build
dapper schooner
except gilga dash which is just worse
half heart
Those additional dashes and the risky debuff
ashen garnet
I mean, attack frames get out so fast that you almost have no waiting time between dash input and dashing
Which is like your most reliable survavibility tool
half heart
But now try that with Malphon or Stygius lol.
Jeez, I was thinking only about gilgamesh aspect, not just all fist weapons, silly me
left prism
Those additional dashes and the risky debuff
Additional shorter dashes with longer cooldown
gaunt fiber
EM4 Malphon is still one of my favorite things though
next acorn
You'll be like, "Thanks, Amir. But I don't want that Attack exchange, now my Pas...
Thanks, Amir. I wanted mirage shot to do double damage. Please don't fix your game, Amir.
gaunt fiber
Blocking that fight does not feel right
pure lily
> Icy and Passion Flare
> If you have either of these boons and do any of the fo...
I sold my attack that run
mossy zinc
pure lily
The more you know
bronze rapids
soooo is Peer Pressure Actually Good then
quartz mantle
Under specific situations yea
Especially with rarity
That global damage is a lot
bronze rapids
good to know ty
quartz mantle
It’s basically killing freeze but for hangover
bronze rapids
(also idk if it's covered in the bug spreadsheet but the Beo Flare size bug also "works" if Passion Flare replaces a current cast boon)
bronze rapids
bc the bug spreadsheet says that Peer Pressure hangover damage is higher than it should
quartz mantle
Peer Pressure is also good with rarity in that with higher rarity it sells for more at your nearest pool of purging
quartz mantle
It’s also not worth
You have to have hangover on one enemy and no hangover on a nearby enemy
The hangover will spread to them and the ticks will be a lot more
But it also takes time
You end up loosing out on dps trying to go for it
bronze rapids
ah
night tendon
I feel confident in my understanding of most of the game but I really don't understand how damage scales I feel like I do little to no damage unless I'm going for a cast build. Any advice?
If it means anything I've beaten a 16 heat run before a
eternal hare
did you have a particular aspect in mind or are you just looking for general build scaling theory
half heart
Maybe you should look at dps instead of raw dmg. For example Nemesis sword doesn't give as big numbers as Beowulf, but you can pretty quickly kill stuff
night tendon
did you have a particular aspect in mind or are you just looking for general bui...
General build scaling I guess would be more accurate
night tendon
Maybe you should look at dps instead of raw dmg. For example Nemesis sword doesn...
I am looking at DPS. Particular for bosses because especially the second and third bosses take forever for me to kill
hardy garden
how damage scales like the math or how youre supposed to build
mossy zinc
This should cover a lot of important stuff since DPS is pretty important for speedruns. https://youtu.be/_bxwSsTPubI
This one also has a lot of good info that should be helpful. https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide
quartz mantle
General build scaling I guess would be more accurate
In general your damage scales through powerful tier 2s, Poms, and chaos boons
If you’re doing casts hourglass with some good well items can help with scaling as well
night tendon
Ya I never really feel much changes in damage besides chaos boons and like pierced butterfly. Poms feel like they diminish in power very quickly or am I mistaken on that?
night tendon
Oh good to know
night tendon
I thought so. Higher rarity and getting an almost guarantee Athena dash on floor one just feels too good to pass up
hardy garden
or just get rush delivery or use eris or something
i wouldnt start athena dash if you want damage
especially since ddash rarity doesnt matter
night tendon
Oh no that's just my safety button
Trivializing projectiles and reflecting damage is nice plus I think it does more damage then most dashes but I totally understand if I'm wrong on that
hardy garden
if youre reliant on ddash then better to start ares attack and grab ddash in asphodel while building for merciful end
bronze rapids
Ares Athena duo
hardy garden
deflect instantly triggers doom effects
night tendon
Ah the duo yesssss that seems good
hardy garden
and adds like 40 damage
night tendon
Nice
bronze rapids
If you have doom on something, and you hit it with a thing that deflects, you doom goes down instantly
hardy garden
This one also has a lot of good info that should be helpful. https://www.leeream...
well id look at this
night tendon
For bosses I feel like Ares has the strongest summon would that be a safe assumption to make?
hardy garden
call? his is pretty much the worse
night tendon
Oh yes call my b
flat flicker
For bosses I feel like Ares has the strongest summon would that be a safe assump...
Poseidon
night tendon
Wow the worst?
bronze rapids
Ares call strictly meme only
hardy garden
dio and zeus are much better for damage. if you want i frames then poseidon or athena are much better
night tendon
Poseidon?!
flat flicker
emergency escape button plus like a thousand reliable damage per button press
Yep. If you get rip current, that’s three hits per call for easily 1500 damage with a pom or two
night tendon
But you can take damage on Poseidon call and can put you in unfavorable positions
flat flicker
Zeus call also
hardy garden
you dont take damage during poseidon call
flat flicker
You’re invincible during Poseidon calls and on co troller it’s easier to control
In case you’re mouse and keyboard
hardy garden
id say ares call is more likely to put you in an unfavorable position since you have 0 movement speed
flat flicker
Ares call doesn’t really hit all that hard either
flat flicker
Yeah, but if they’re doing a slow attack with Zeus call, you could be kicking their ass while hitting them with Zeus
night tendon
This is like finding out cards I love in slay the spire are bad this is great to know lmao
flat flicker
Poseidon call you can’t but you can rush headlong into danger and wipe out like five dudes
Hahaha for sure this is the channel where the tryhards hang out you’ll get way better just hanging around here if you want that for yourself and ask questions
night tendon
Sounds great
flat flicker
Also Zeus call is half of Smoldering Air
throw on a double strike or jolted or both with smair
night tendon
Ya I loved Hades and then I kinda dropped it for other rouge games and now I'm back for more especially want that final Skully statue
flat flicker
No need to justify yourself fam, we’re nice people
night tendon
throw on a double strike or jolted or both with smair
...what does that mean
flat flicker
...what does that mean
Zeus boons double strike and static discharge, Aphrodite Zeus duo boon smoldering air
night tendon
Pog I hear great thing about the super giant game fans and the devs too so that's nice
Sounds good
flat flicker
My first 32 heat clear was smoldering air Poseidon call hard carrying me 
night tendon
Never thought about it but has Hades have any significant buffs or nerfs since release?
I never see it updating on steam so I can't imagine it did
flat flicker
Most of the work was done in early access just a few changes
eternal hare
there were a few minor changes between 1.0 release and now
some of them meaningful enough to change the meta
night tendon
Interesting
eternal hare
but it has been stable for at least a full year now
flat flicker
laughs in mirage shot
night tendon
Is that the Artemis double shot boon?
hardy garden
yeah
flat flicker
Yeah on the aspect of beowulf it doubles cast damage
not 30% like it says on the screen
night tendon
???
hardy garden
beowulf has uh...
eternal hare
it's a bug, don't worry about it
flat flicker
Yeah, mirage shot doubles power
Not 30
If you sell your attack boon with Aphrodite cast the explosion becomes smol
What else I think there’s another big one
hardy garden
well trippy flare gets double pom scaling, thunderflare can randomly backstab for no reason, slicing flare gets no bonus from vicious cycle, etc etc
night tendon
Like the visual of the explosion or the actual hotbox .
eternal hare
the actual hitbox gets smaller
night tendon
Yikes
eternal hare
there are a few ways to fix it if you get into that situation but don't worry about it
raw cloud
whats the easiest 32 set up?
quartz mantle
You can check the pins for a general guide for certain pacts, the general idea is you use a core of
LC4, EM3, BP2, UC, MM, TD3 which gives you 25 heat
From there you can add either FO2 to get you to 31, or HL5 which gets you to 30
raw cloud
got it
quartz mantle
From there you can add Damage Control if your aspect can handle, otherwise if you went for the HL5 path you can add HS and JS1, and if you went for FO2 you can add an extra tier of HL
You'll want to use the Stubborn Defiance mirror trait to lessen the impact of LC4
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932137430339977326/939342141459689542/Screenshot_20220204-180956_Chrome.jpg for me this with an aspect that deals with dc2 should be pretty easy
quartz mantle
And if you're having trouble meeting the timer of TD3 you can turn it down to TD2 but doing so will mean you have to run HL5 and FO2
Or HL4 I guess*
raw cloud
alr thanks!
coarse acorn
I just really want to get comfortable with 32 heat, so i guess I should practice some fo2 td3 no healing runs, because that's the part that feels like the issue
hoary pasture
Practice is the way to go indeed
You can also watch vods and try to implement their strats in your runs
coarse acorn
I think that the 2 things i should practice is placement, and paying attention to the ebwny
mossy zinc
You'll likely have a much easier time at 32 with FO0.
coarse acorn
then what do i turn on to compensate for it? i have fo2 so that i dont have to deal with stuff like cv, bcs thats apparantely rly bad for beo
like, i then need 6 heat from otehr places
hoary pasture
whats cv
mossy zinc
CF probably.
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
And start Passion Flare.
Then look for Snow Burst.
And take Privileged Status.
hoary pasture
If you just wanna clear that’s the way to go
If you plan on pushing to 40+ you can try getting used to FO but maybe do FO1 first
mossy zinc
FO2 Beowulf can take some real practice if you're not used to it.
If you're not used to it, you'll probably whiff a lot of your Dragon-Rushes.
coarse acorn
as ussual, you were right
ive only gotten hit by an enemy once, due to a dumb mistake
my bigest worry atm i sthe furries and td
mossy zinc
Learning to beat TD3 consistently is pretty easy anyway.
coarse acorn
Is it usually Tart or somewhere else
tart
mossy zinc
You have Beowulf and Weak for the Furies, so it should be fine.
For bosses, remember that you only want to load all of your casts at once if you can one-shot a boss phase with that.
coarse acorn
also this run i am kinda keeping up with td3, i have about a minute left at sisters
mossy zinc
Otherwise, load all but one Cast, then immediately load the remaining Cast for another Dragon-Rush.
1 minute is plenty.
coarse acorn
so this is what being a speedster in superhero worlds feels like : )
mossy zinc
Get Snow Burst (or alternatively Frost Strike) in Asphodel, then you should be good.
And poms on Cast, of course.
coarse acorn
enemies are incredibly slow and sluggish, but when they do hit, its like a truck
hoary pasture
You have a wide door for a weapon
coarse acorn
i have chill, i have weak, what i need now is a few more runs and not thinking about how painfull dad will be when i cant body him
cursive portal
just chill
coarse acorn
died to witches room
this isnt a pb for progress, but its a pb for like, how well the run went in general
hoary pasture
Are you megging them
hoary pasture
Remember whenever stuff goes all over the place just block and bullrush
It’s the safest thing you could do if there is no opening for you to do damage
coarse acorn
Are you megging them
I tried
question about beo
if yo have more than one cast, does all damage go at once or is it attack dmg-cast-cast-cast
like, if i put chill on attack, does the attack+first cast activate priv stat?
and do the second and third cast get the bonus?
jaunty falcon
if yo have more than one cast, does all damage go at once or is it attack dmg-ca...
The second one
jaunty falcon
and do the second and third cast get the bonus?
Yes
mossy zinc
Can you share a screenshot of your build and the Well?
jaunty falcon
Chaos bonuses, mirage shot if you can
mossy zinc
Also what gods were in your pool if you purged one.
coarse acorn
i mosly meant keepsakes
mossy zinc
That's what I thought you meant.
hoary pasture
For Aspho you can force Demeter again for attack/Killing freeze/Ravenous will, maybe Athena for her Call, otherwise Coin purse/hourlgass, for Elysium you can do Hourlgass if you’re confident or Tooth/acorn for safety, Styx is tooth/acorn usually
coarse acorn
where do i put the screenshot?
mossy zinc
Upload to imgur or something and link it.
coarse acorn
k
i alrw
already purchased extra cast before asking about keepsakes, godpool is dem athena en aphro
mossy zinc
Hourglass and buying that would have been the play probably, but too late for that now.
jaunty falcon
Have you got snowburst
mossy zinc
Just those three boons?
coarse acorn
i have snowburst and shot
coarse acorn
ok
jaunty falcon
Ok, take Athena
hoary pasture
Athena comfy yea
mossy zinc
DDs ideal. Sure Footing is comfy. Call is comfy. Brilliant Riposte unlocks her legendary.
Bronze Skin also nice when you already have Weak.
cursive portal
mossy zinc
And then maybe get Hyper Sprint or Greater Evasion.
coarse acorn
i actually just killed lernie. this is the best ive ever done on 32
mossy zinc
Nice nice.
coarse acorn
graabed deathless stand and athena call, also got a billowing strenghts hich i had to sell, because it was either that, burst, or cast
now zeus for smoldering, or tooth? or do i save tooth for styx
if i get here
hoary pasture
Acorn is good
Tooth will mess up your DD
It’ll replace it
If you’re totally confident in your Heroes fight/rooms overall you can go for something non-defensive
Like Hourglass
coarse acorn
going into heroes....
with no time left
timed out on heroes
gods DAIM that went well
That's probably the motivation I needed
Do you usually take a pos door, or chaos?
hoary pasture
I would take a Poseidon door if I plan on pushing for Mirage
jaunty falcon
If Beowulf, Poseidon. But chaos is good too
coarse acorn
Outta tart with 90 whole secs left
I think ik why I'm being faster
Because i can rush to enemy spawns in time
mossy zinc
Charged Shot can take some getting used to.
coarse acorn
I meant it in the sense that they don't spawn as fast
How many casts do lernie heads take? 3, right?
hoary pasture
Depends on how good your damage is really
And if your Snow burst is hitting
As opposed to preloading the casts before the heads spawn in which wastes snow burst
coarse acorn
ok
hoary pasture
You can get a feel for it when the first wave of heads spawn in
And adapt that way
coarse acorn
died to lernie because i was being dumb and slow, but this is the 3d time in a row ive gotten o tart
mossy zinc
Ideally 1 Cast. 3 if you've been unlucky with poms etc.
coarse acorn
Is it dumb to use the chests to trigger sd?
hoary pasture
Nope
mossy zinc
I'd only do that if your HP is really low, otherwise it just costs time.
Like, not worth healing from 25% to 30% HP lol.
coarse acorn
It was at 7
coarse acorn
How does charged shot affect the 2-1 cycle
mossy zinc
You mean what I said earlier for boss fights?
mossy zinc
You're still loading just as many casts as you need to one-shot enemies, pretty much. And usually keep 1 for bosses to immediately do another Charged Shot.
And also, with Charged Shot you usually wanna make sure that you get close to enemies and quick-release your shots rather than keeping away and slowly charging for range.
Well, it's also kind of the idea without Charged Shot.
coarse acorn
OK
timber pike
So when I eventually move to 32 heat, I can still use death defiance, right? Or would the move be to change to stubborn defiance?
hoary pasture
It's recommended you learn to use Stubborn Defiance so you can take LC4 easily
But you can do DDs if you really want to
timber pike
hardy garden
chads use lc4 with dd's
hoary pasture
cursive portal
Wait didnt you have that one 50 heat chiron run out of tart with dds and em4
And lc4 lol
hoary pasture
It made it to p2 EM4 I think
hardy garden
It made it to p2 EM4 I think
something like that
eternal hare
There is at least one other
hardy garden
when in tart-aspho fountain room and you realize you dont have sd's
eternal hare
InterpretiveTwerking did his 50 rama with lc4 dds too
pure lily
Anyone have a high heat beo run uploaded they wanna share with me?
quartz mantle
There are a lot on the leaderboard
mossy zinc
High Heat Leaderboard is pinned here.
eternal hare
the high heat board also has a good selection of >50 heat clears
pure lily
Ty
gaunt fiber
I have a clip of Beowulf on how not to fight the Doomstone if you wish
tropic stream
