nice
#h1-high-heat-strategies
honest kernel
bronze rapids
There's a leader board in the pins with vid links
honest kernel
ill watch it tommorow
dapper schooner
single dash EM4 FO2 on non shield 
dapper schooner
survival rooms in general are exhilarating gameplay
sadly they are optimal for speedruns 
hardy garden
idk fun murdering everything right as they spawn with beo
waxen relic
single dash EM4 FO2 on non shield <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Is that a challenge?
cursive portal
Based
honest kernel
What builds do you guys recommend for 32 heat?
On aspect of Achilles at least
I've been trying to do a dodge strategy on the aspect of zagreus using the fist running ruthless reflex and plume. It was painful
Then on the spear of achilles I try to get divine strike with flurry jab to deflect everything that comes my way. Then true shot or beyblade on cast
Special takes anything LMAO, ideally Artemis boon on special
waxen relic
Artemis on attack into Hunting Blades or Crystal Clarity is a common way.
waxen relic
Tidal Dash should get a special mention too, but it might be unusual at first.
honest kernel
I hate tidal dash on spear and fist
waxen relic
But divine dash should do the trick too
hoary pasture
Yea divine dash is nice for safety and unlock dds too
hoary pasture
single dash EM4 FO2 on non shield <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Beo technically not a shield right
You have 5 seconds to answer
Oke
I’ll take that as a yes
Smh I actually cant find a victory screen with 1 dash
ashen garnet
Any EM4 victory on single dash? <:zagPls:818342883056680980>
Hm, yes a few on fists, but I really despise this fight. Get Athena dash and Hyper Sprint and you are good 
waxen relic
If it's just single dash i have them myself already. Just not FO2
ashen garnet
FO2 doable, but double spin timing is tight sometimes
gaunt fiber
A warm up run or two and he's the absolute god we know
hoary pasture
Probably yea
dapper schooner
did you get bonked by offscreen 100 damage spear
ashen garnet
did you get bonked by offscreen 100 damage spear
EM4 rite of passage
honest kernel
i was methodically mashing the right buttons
i need to play on lower heat again to just
rest
hoary pasture
How much heat are you doing
I found that the best way Retrash avoids 100 damage spears is by never having Hades off screen
hoary pasture
Where is EM3
gaunt fiber
EM0 for 32 heat 
dapper schooner
I found that the best way Retrash avoids 100 damage spears is by never having Ha...
how do you even track where he ends up after darkness on phase 3
hoary pasture
Just do EM2 atleast
honest kernel
FO2 makes the enemies get summoned faster
hoary pasture
how do you even track where he ends up after darkness on phase 3
You're asking the wrong person
dapper schooner
only way i figure out where he teleported to is by eating the laser
hoary pasture
lmao
honest kernel
so 5 minutes per area is attainable
hoary pasture
Yea that surely wakes you up
honest kernel
and FO2 with EM3 is hell
gaunt fiber
The omnipresent darkness makes it hard
Otherwise you have the good ol footprints in the snow
dapper schooner
and FO2 with EM3 is hell
bullman does hit you with that supersonic charge
hoary pasture
or just 100% brightness
gaunt fiber
But phase 3 is all (for me at least) about reacting fast after a darkness
So mostly positioning for pillars
Or dash ready to avoid a spear
hoary pasture
and FO2 with EM3 is hell
EM2 is okay
honest kernel
FO2 > EM3 when there's a Tight Deadline LMAO
waxen relic
#h1-victory-boasting message so what do i do now? Actually start a small anyheat arc?
hoary pasture
EM2 can affect it a bit if you have to play passively since its much easier to take a lot chip damage from lava or the heads being bunched up
EM3 I get it but it's fine with practice
hoary pasture
It's doable
gaunt fiber
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/9322600318926...
EM4 RI4
honest kernel
LMAO
honest kernel
But FO2 HL5 is near 40 territory lol
seriously??? damn
hoary pasture
It kinda is yea
honest kernel
i made it all the way to hades out of sheer dumb luck
or
idk
mashing buttons correctly
i just got lucky on hunting blades
gaunt fiber
Oh yeah I remember
honest kernel
achilles, yeah
gaunt fiber
That's super cool
hoary pasture
dont have access to the link sadge
honest kernel
same LMAO
waxen relic
it's in the speedrunning discord
gaunt fiber
But Mike you're in the speedrun discord?
left prism
But FO2 HL5 is near 40 territory lol
Wait what
hoary pasture
32 for me is either of those 2
gaunt fiber
32 heat is not a lot
hoary pasture
Not both
gaunt fiber
BP TD FO MM is quite a lot already
left prism
Oh yesh for some reason i thought i had both for beo 32, but nah is just hl3 fo2 lol
gaunt fiber
It's fine to have both I think. If you're good enough at bosses, it will be breeze since you can even go for BP1
honest kernel
is LC4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, and TD3 good enough?
jaunty falcon
That’s 33 if my calculation is right
honest kernel
yepppp
hoary pasture
is LC4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, and TD3 good enough?
Do that +DC2 and take off CF
imo
jaunty falcon
What aspect is it
hoary pasture
Achilles
jaunty falcon
Yeah dc 2 is fine
honest kernel
i'm praying for a flurry jab or hunting blades
flurry jab for the divine strike to just
deflect everything LMAO
hoary pasture
It's fine for safety if your main source of damage isnt the attack
dapper schooner
Oh yesh for some reason i thought i had both for beo 32, but nah is just hl3 fo2...
this reminds me
i should do more 32 speedruns
jaunty falcon
32 heat sub 7 👀
dapper schooner
32 heat sub 7 👀
honestly doesnt seem too impossible
hoary pasture
It's been done
dapper schooner
Anyheat but choose kiss of Styx from patty
so its the same as anyheat eris
hoary pasture
lol
hoary pasture
magnil?
left prism
32 speedruns are basically
"spicy anyheat"
jaunty falcon
Yep
dapper schooner
With a 53 second elysium <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
wut
jaunty falcon
C27 and 28 were chariots and armoured witches
dapper schooner
even 185's 4:55 has a slower elysium than that
jaunty falcon
The rest of it was skipped
dapper schooner
how 53 s thats insane
hoary pasture
I think that's the fastest we have
jaunty falcon
Yeah
Well that’s what I’m doing today ig
For some reason I couldn’t get the reroll anything mod working
Couldn’t reroll boons and I always started with 4
Idk why
dapper schooner
i got a 7:40 32 eris with BP2 EM3 MM which i later learned is very unoptimal
on like the 3rd try
hoary pasture
I have a 7:37 40 heat with EM4 and I despise it
dapper schooner
sub 7 doesnt seem too impossible
hoary pasture
jaunty falcon
Maybe shackle hestia can handle that
hoary pasture
Yea if you need a lot of boons its probably okay to take BP2
dapper schooner
CF1 eris 🤮
jaunty falcon
I didn’t use UC tho
hoary pasture
To shred stuff
With Eris
You have a good bit of wiggle room on 32
But whatever you take is just gonna be
Annoying
jaunty falcon
40 is basically the same pact every time right
jaunty falcon
Yeah
hoary pasture
Yea there isnt anything else to take I think
You could do DC2 on some stuff but I'm sure it'll just slow you down
dapper schooner
how much HP increase from non EM to EM3 heroes
jaunty falcon
Theseus is +3000
mossy zinc
is LC4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, and TD3 good enough?
Just swap out FO2 for HL5 for an easy time.
honest kernel
@mossy zinc SPEED IS KEEEEYYY
mossy zinc
I mean if you're speedrunning, do HL5 FO2.
jaunty falcon
Can’t find Asterius’ health
hoary pasture
Yea speedy EM3 can go real bad
mossy zinc
Then you can drop down to CF0 and EM2.
mossy zinc
Asterius spins and cant catch Theseus reliably <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
See, that's where you use Aphrodite's Aid so Asterius spins catch Theseus.
hoary pasture
hoary pasture
honestly im thinking BP2 EM2>BP1 EM3
I would do the same if you dont wanna go CF1
mossy zinc
No, Cloner is good.
mossy zinc
Yeah.
mossy zinc
5x difficulty multiplier.
dapper schooner
its just teleporter and bruiser then
hoary pasture
Anything that makes you play safe is gonna slow you down too
mossy zinc
Speeder in Asphodel is bad.
Also can just generally be bad because you gotta play more careful.
dapper schooner
Speeder in Asphodel is bad.
true enough
left prism
CurbYourAsphodel.mp4
dapper schooner
Also can just generally be bad because you gotta play more careful.
think speeder should be fine in non aspho
dapper schooner
simply play good and enjoy faster jolted proc
mossy zinc
Well, if you just dash into a bunch of Speeder Greatshields like you would on any heat, it can be a pretty fast run, I guess. 
hoary pasture
sub6 even
mossy zinc
DunkinDio got sub 7 with HL2 LC2 CF1 EM3 BP2, so clearly that's a good strategy.
dapper schooner
hoary pasture
with DDs ?
hollow lynx
glad to see you're back 
mossy zinc
Man, Chiron bad.
shy gulch
so true
ashen garnet
Messy plays, but it's done
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/932339083085217802/unknown.png
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 
ashen garnet
Thanks ! 
hoary pasture
ashen garnet
Wish it could have been with FO2, but the scaling is so huge
pseudo kernel
BIG CHOP
mossy zinc
Without Tidal Dash or essentially an Attack build, even naked shades take forever with Chiron lol.
jaunty falcon
Chiron sucks
hoary pasture
Chiron is for prodigies only
hoary pasture
jaunty falcon
Unmodded that is
mossy zinc
RNG will be like that.
jaunty falcon
Modded is special only Rama
ashen garnet
Also how long was this fight lol
big chopp backstab is around 500, so it was not very long, lemme check
jaunty falcon
It’s just Beowulf but it sucks, right?
hoary pasture
It's not too bad
hoary pasture
cursive portal
Damm thats kbm numbers
hoary pasture
lol
cursive portal
jaunty falcon
That’s “cast on A” numbers
mossy zinc
That's not Hera's fault, that's Amir's fault.
Thanks, Amir, for ruining rmacinty's Hera times.
ashen garnet
Messy plays, but it's done <:dusa:522248771409543188>
https://media.discordapp....
Still 5:25 EM4 fight, did not realize since it's FO0
mossy zinc
Hera just kinda sucks at higher heat.
hoary pasture
Still 5:25 EM4 fight, did not realize since it's FO0
Nice
shy gulch
It’s just Beowulf but it sucks, right?
mossy zinc
Croven about to destroy this man's whole career.
shy gulch
i will not stand for this SLANDER
hoary pasture
It’s just Beowulf but it sucks, right?
right
mossy zinc
Croven Hera vs rmacinty Beowulf grudge match.
jaunty falcon
Fair enough my hera is like twice as slow
5:15 inc
Can certainly see why people dislike blown kiss on hera
mossy zinc
It's Flurry Shot that makes it annoying to use.
I like it a lot with Twin and Triple.
next acorn
flurry comf
hoary pasture
Flurry kbm
cursive portal
Hera kbm
Bright and ocke are the only 2 people I know that actually use it well
As in sub 6:30 well
next acorn
Croven?
pseudo kernel
he plays on controller
next acorn
he does?
shy gulch
yeah i use a ds4
cursive portal
:croven:
jaunty falcon
Just got cgull tier rooms but croven tier boons
next acorn
oh he does
jaunty falcon
And rt95 tier play
next acorn
when did you switch?
jaunty falcon
8s heroes
jaunty falcon
next acorn
Pog
jaunty falcon
Basically the perfect build minus quick reload
hoary pasture
Those chunks
cursive portal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697204655339601933/932352544137674822/unk...
Stop bullying
hoary pasture
Do you have RD
jaunty falcon
Rare
hoary pasture
pog
hoary pasture
stonks
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697204655339601933/932352544137674822/unk...
Idk why I cant get a 5:16 I do this all the time, in fact I'm good at it
jaunty falcon
You need to not play the game 👍
honest charm
I switched from kb to controller about a year ago
but you still use mouse like a normal person, right?
quiet mountain
Final time 9:15 NEW HERA PB <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yea buddy
hoary pasture
but you still use mouse like a normal person, right?
Yea he uses mouse to aim and controller to move
mossy zinc
https://imgur.com/a/5EESH2V
Nice fight, but 7:42 entrance? Shouldn't you be done with the run by now?
Croven would already be out of Tartarus again.
jaunty falcon
Would have needed a 1s back half to tie WR
Easily doable with a decent skip and a 1 sack
jaunty falcon
It’s gonna go soon
mossy zinc
Congratulations on your new PB.
pseudo kernel
thanks
hoary pasture
np
jaunty falcon
All these PBs and I’m still getting barged
honest kernel
whats worse EM4 FO1 or regular dad FO2
gaunt fiber
EM4 for sure
hardy garden
em4
gaunt fiber
The regular dad fight is quite simple once you've praticed it a bit
hardy garden
one has sneks and infinite pots the other doesnt
gaunt fiber
and coming from EM4 to normal dad, it just feels like a joke afterwards
flat flicker
EM4 should be used as a challenge run rather than “a juicy 4 heat” like if you’re at 32 now, em4 20-24 makes sense (I often do 24 heat js3 em4 with 7 min td)
mossy zinc
It's still kinda chill if you keep HL or FO at 0.
And probably don't take HS.
Also with DDs.
ember bronze
Do people know the exact rules the for the Personal Liability shield (or rather, the lack-of-PL shield) activating?
Testing some stuff
gaunt fiber
You have to take 25% of max hp and at least 10 damage within .6 seconds. Shield lasts for 1.3 seconds
quoted Pseudo, was looking for numbers
cursive portal
Classic free heat, until it isnt
hardy garden
especially on guan yu
honest kernel
At first i thought that meant no iframes except dashing as in, the lasers in tartar sauce would do 2 dmg per frame aka 120 dps
since even after 100+ runs i hadnt seen it once
i saw the sheild recently so now i know what it means
ember bronze
Trying something out, maybe interesting to people
it's trivial to mod Hades so Personal Liability is always available (without bothering with "mods", just a one-line lua edit)
You can even load your cross-save on Switch and have PL permanently enabled (the UI doesn't show it, but Heat is counted correctly)
Of course it would be on you to use CP et al if trying to use this for Heat runs
hardy garden
"Invulnerability Shrine"
ember bronze
But, maybe handy for those of us who want the option but want to keep playing our save
flat flicker
But, maybe handy for those of us who want the option but want to keep playing ou...
for sure! did you also post it to the modding server? this is something people would use, maybe upload to nexusmods (gotta just talk to the folks there i have no clue how to do any of that)
ember bronze
I found the idea researching there! And dug into it a bit more since it seemed like nobody had
left prism
But, maybe handy for those of us who want the option but want to keep playing ou...
Speedrun modpack lets you do the change to hellmode and back iirc, but this is nice to see
hoary pasture
Yea it does but you have hellmode restrictions too that way
left prism
Oh i see what you mean
ember bronze
it does, it would be on people to know what they're doing
hoary pasture
I like the idea of being forced into the other 4 points of heat because this would practically be free heat on its own
ember bronze
You can still spot it in ending screenshots, if you bother to add up and see it's 1 short: https://imgur.com/a/tdQ8uht
mossy zinc
Keep in mind that the devs aren't too fond of people sharing any of the game's code/script in the server.
hoary pasture
Oh it doesn’t display in this screen
ember bronze
Obv. some risk of people using it without the required heats and posting runs where nobody notices
ember bronze
let me see (have to go back to Switch). Guessing no, I think the game UI doesn't think it exists
never mind--it is shown in Security Log
mossy zinc
Also for reference, submissions to the high heat leaderboard need to clearly show that PL is active, and the other Hell mode pacts need to also be active whenever PL is active.
ember bronze
would you take a Security Log shot for that?
hoary pasture
would you take a Security Log shot for that?
I don’t think so no
Well
It’s an interesting question since nobody has done this before
mossy zinc
If you're still showing it in the same video without any cuts, sure.
ember bronze
I'm not necessarily planning on ranking anyway, but I think it would be nice for people to have to have a way to try it (with other consistent heats) as conveniently as possible
hoary pasture
Yea it’s technically active just not shown on the victory screen for whatever reason
ember bronze
oh right, you need videos. So yeah, that would be fine
mossy zinc
There's an easy-to-install mod that'll allow you to select PL and that will also show the icon in the pact list up top.
ember bronze
Pony's QoL?
hoary pasture
Is it the toggle hell mode thing we have in the modpack or another one
ember bronze
(That was was the first thing I tried)
mossy zinc
Is it the toggle hell mode thing we have in the modpack or another one
Yeah, I think that's the one.
hoary pasture
It’s pretty straightforward
ember bronze
Ya. I had minor difficulty trying to get actual modding going so backed off and tried something else
I'm sure it would be fine
But maybe some value in an option that's so simple
mossy zinc
I mean what you did is actual modding lol.
ember bronze
yeah, I meant just getting the mod manager working then downloading/config individual mods
mossy zinc
Nice thing about that is that any game updates will remove your mods, so you'd have to manually edit it every time. But with the mod installer once you've set things up, it's a simple double-click each time.
ember bronze
Update after trying a bit with my trick from yesterday
CP is awful
I thought that maybe CP1 PL would be a good way of going 44-46, but not even sure now
bronze rapids
I have a few CP1 40s, it can affect some weapons worse than others
like on Rama there was always this pixel of HP left if there's CP1
hardy garden
only a little safe
quiet mountain
delta is weird since it mean no clocket
hoary pasture
Delta safe
hardy garden
id rather guarantee delta than rely on a 30% chance getting clockets
unless i absolutely need clockets to win
hoary pasture
Rocket on dc2 also kinda stinky
quiet mountain
i’m not saying never take delta
quiet mountain
Rocket on dc2 also kinda stinky
zoos atk but yea
bleak flare
i love rocket + delta on eris
shy plinth
Hey is that Realesque?
bleak flare
it is lol
i've heard reclaiming an account through support can take as long as several months, and i'd rather not keep myself cut off for that long while i wait, so this is my potentially permanent new account depending on how things go
shy plinth
Welcome back
flat flicker
Howdy
hoary pasture
tranquil spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/900238283957760010/Had...
how do u have infinite revives or something
remote dew
how do u have infinite revives or something
Stubborn defiance
Basically a once per room revive
tranquil spire
oh it shows as that?
mossy zinc
Hey is that Realesque?
Going by that new profile picture, that's Angry Tailesque.
flat flicker
i never got gud with fox ever
bleak flare
Going by that new profile picture, that's Angry Tailesque. <:zfiestWOT:911680878...
you would be angry too if your original account got compromised 
mossy zinc
Very, yes.
bleak flare
yeah, i hope to pull off 62 unseeded one day but i'd have to prepare for a lot of hermes grinding
alongside good hammers and boons as usual of course etc
next acorn
👀
honest kernel
was ur 60 everything except RI3&4?
jaunty falcon
Hestia was ri3 dc0
cursive portal
Zyruvias and Angle did ri3 dc0
I did RI3 CP1 DC1 actually
CP2 is way worse for zag shield I think
next acorn
oh you did?
bronze rapids
yeah
next acorn
Would probably get a good answer in speecord
devout quiver
thanks
pseudo kernel
Oh nice it's back on yt
hoary pasture
Ye
left prism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ_qJhcGEk
Watched it again, so good
solemn pulsar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ_qJhcGEk
dang what hero reuploaded that
cursive portal
pure lily
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ_qJhcGEk
Is this new? I didn't think anyone had done 64 heat?
cursive portal
its from early 2021, but routed
ember bronze
Quick q: mechanics of Twin Shot + Hera?
hardy garden
still one cast. main problem is less range
mossy zinc
Not really a problem. You wanna quick-release and be close to pick up your bloodstones asap anyway.
jaunty falcon
That’s pretty much the ideal combo
It’s so good
Although ngl I like explosive triple
Especially with arti attack
jaunty falcon
Yeah same
flat flicker
That’s pretty much the ideal combo
it's not particularly good, but flurry chain is very amusing
jaunty falcon
It feels so powerful but it’s hard to use
jaunty falcon
I have a personal bias against chain lmao
jaunty falcon
can you get flurry and explosive together
No
hoary pasture
Would be awesome
lol
You can try a lot of weird stuff using the codex mod
its so dumb
mossy zinc
it's not particularly good, but flurry chain is very amusing
It's not particularly good? 
flat flicker
It's not particularly good? <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
idk, i had some pancakes for breakfast
mossy zinc
What was in those pancakes?
flat flicker
starting zeus attack and never getting jolted
mossy zinc
Flurry + Triple + Point-Blank is the optimal combo you can get on Hera.
hoary pasture
I thought the "not particularly good" was referring to Flurry Chain
mossy zinc
Ambiguity Bonus.
hoary pasture
https://streamable.com/37hugq thoughts? @gaunt fiber
ember bronze
I had so little understanding of Hera
Just tried rebinding cast for the first time
and playing it
it made a huge difference
jaunty falcon
Absolutely does
flat flicker
I thought the "not particularly good" was referring to Flurry Chain
same
ember bronze
time for only Hera and Beowulf learning session
Thoughts on DC with those?
DC1 okay because of initial attack?
hoary pasture
On Hera I would never take it
ember bronze
Or just all bad because of huge AoE cast hits
hoary pasture
On Beo I could take DC1
ember bronze
Good if you get around it with something like Thunder Flourish, but generally bad?
hoary pasture
Good if you get around it with something like Thunder Flourish, but generally ba...
referring to hera?
cursive portal
you arent using the special on beo at all
cursive portal
thats unsafe
gaunt fiber
https://streamable.com/37hugq thoughts? <:bouldy:523329116934635534> <@!23804091...
I've been asking for that combo
damn
cursive portal
because you cant dash out of a special immediately after shooting it
and also the damage is terrible
hoary pasture
it bounces multiple times too
ember bronze
mhm
cursive portal
a more plausible scenario is like flurry shot I think
hoary pasture
too stronk
cursive portal
where you could take dc1
gaunt fiber
DC1 okay because of initial attack?
yes but it's copium tbh. Bearable still
jaunty falcon
High heat hera is a pain tho in general
cursive portal
High heat hera is a pain tho in general
had to take TD2 for my 51
ember bronze
how's JS on those two?
jaunty falcon
Oh my
ember bronze
On the one hand, lots of AoE
cursive portal
Beo deals with it very well
gaunt fiber
^
cursive portal
hera does not
ember bronze
On the other, it's kind of a big production every time you want to attack a new target
cursive portal
I think JS2 is my max for hera comfortably
ember bronze
Ok so what's an example of a Heat that Hera does comfortably take earlier than average
ember bronze
(What is the 45 standard)
cursive portal
do you have hell mode?
ember bronze
basically yes (see my whole thing from the weekend about modding)
jaunty falcon
45 heat pacts are just 50 heat pacts with both em3 and RI0
jaunty falcon
And maybe AP1 if you increase enemies
cursive portal
bronze rapids
how's that but CF0 RI1
hoary pasture
exactly
jaunty falcon
AP1 honestly isn’t toooo bad
hoary pasture
You dont have much stuff to change at 45
jaunty falcon
AP2 is so bad tho
flat flicker
@bronze rapids you are a menace to society
flat flicker
also dont post a link for at least 30 seconds
or youll get muted for an hour
pro tip
bronze rapids
bad bot
flat flicker
source: happened to me when i was failing at uploading videos
bronze rapids
I should go back to my AP2 RI1 UC roots
gaunt fiber
<@!393425923329884162> you are a menace to society
Lmao
flat flicker
Lmao
what weapon would the aspect of kaiba be
im thinking hoarding slash is the passive talent lol
gaunt fiber
Never forget what he did to gramps
flat flicker
i actually did need to think about that
gramps had a really bad first two episodes
hospital then lost his soul
gaunt fiber
Yeah kinda harsh
flat flicker
aspect of grandpa: high confidence guan yu
bronze rapids
I know almost nothing about Yugioh but one thing I do know is that gramps' hair truly has heriditary power
gaunt fiber
I know almost nothing about Yugioh but one thing I do know is that gramps' hair ...
Definitely
flat flicker
ngl, i want a hades crossover in returnal
every weapon is a gun
gimme some jolted plz
so i can suck less
anyway, for rama: twin or triple
if you wanted to go fast
hoary pasture
Twin comfy
bronze rapids
Twin for reliable, triple for meme
jaunty falcon
Personal preference but most people like twin rn
flat flicker
Word
jaunty falcon
Repulse explosive sniper
gaunt fiber
flat flicker
second mouth is a level 20 support fire
honest kernel
based twin meta
devout quiver
Obelisk also has 2 arms
Ra has like 50 different forms though so who knows for sure
dapper schooner
aspect of grandpa: high confidence guan yu
LV1 GY
hardy garden
why not both
flat flicker
12 life lol
hardy garden
rounds up to 13 i think. pretty huge
flat flicker
rounds up to 13 i think. pretty huge
Take darkness rooms so the 3 health you get puts you at 16 so 4 witch shots to kill you not 3. Peak gamer
bronze rapids
High conf L1 GY is 15HP actually
honest kernel
you can probably get 1/1 hp with chaos lol
bronze rapids
yes you can
Then any revive restores 100% of your HP. game breaking.
honest kernel
whats the name of the thing with the purple ring that pulls u
well i just got a roomful of that + cloner numbskulls so my screen was full of skulls and rings i could barely see the ground lol
mossy zinc
Puller.
next acorn
Cloner skulls can be rough
hoary pasture
So satisfying if you have an aspect that can melt them lol
quartz mantle
I think the big thing with explosive fire is that it interrupts enemy attacks and messes with your jolted procs
mossy zinc
Not a thing Hestia cares about too much.
bleak flare
baby hestia does care about jolted
jaunty falcon
It’s only slightly worse than piercing imo
quartz mantle
Not a thing Hestia cares about too much.
You’re telling me you don’t run thunder dash Hestia for extra jolted damage? Smh
jaunty falcon
Tbf smoldering air
Although idk if double strike does more for Zeus aid than jolted
flat flicker
Although idk if double strike does more for Zeus aid than jolted
I think it depends on how pommed they are
quartz mantle
I think generally double strike is better but you’re more likely to see jolted
Plus you can proc jolted off of stuff like reflexes or heaven’s vengece
And if jolted is purple it’s really cool
jaunty falcon
Double strike also unlocks splitting
Tbh I’m happy to see either one
Double strike is extra good on sea storm/flourish builds
cursive portal
jaunty falcon
:boulden:
solemn pulsar
Or on thunder flare
did somebody say thunder flare
quartz mantle
Thunder Flare gang 🤝
ember bronze
Random stream-of-consciousness complaining: reroll on first boon shouldn't give non-core
Hera + Chain shot mechanics?
Normal cast on first impact and then 2 more instances of attack damage?
mossy zinc
Yep.
ember bronze
trying 40+ I die to Lernie a lot
I think I just haven't internalized
the head is not safe in neutral?
you (at least I) can't react to the slams quick enough
mossy zinc
The heads will never do the same attack twice. So any head that just did a head slam won't do another.
ember bronze
do white horn heads do a slam that's too quick to react to right as they emerge, if you're there
mossy zinc
I think the only attack in the game that's too fast for me to react to is Speeder Wringers, so I dunno.
ember bronze
It's probably more just watching for it
waxen relic
They have an immediate Attack that should be in the back of your mind.
mossy zinc
I think the bite is usually more a concern for me than the head slams. Head slams you just gotta be mindful of the AOE.
waxen relic
Hmm the AOE gives a bit of spacing problems for me. The Bite seems kinda obvious?
mossy zinc
I'd bet all my money you died to random bites out of nowhere more often than to head slams.
All 27 cents.
waxen relic
When did i last die to Lernie 
mossy zinc
I dunno. I've never seen you die to Lernie, I'll say that.
ember bronze
Random stream-of-consciousness complaining: I can handle playing AP for like, an hour at a time
then I have to stop
waxen relic
Perfect to take a Break
ember bronze
Hera + Blown Kiss?
mossy zinc
Your Casts will whiff a lot if you have Blown Kiss + Flurry Shot, but otherwise it's nice.
I suspect what Blown Kiss does is rather than just adding range to the Crush Shot hitbox it stretches the hitbox, which also increases the dead zone at the point of origin.
So without Flurry Shot, you can easily make up for it by undershooting your arrows a little more and enjoy increased AOE + first-hit bonus damage.
But with Flurry Shot, you can't do that.
ember bronze
so not occasionally whiffs--just totally breaks everything
mossy zinc
Well like I said, without Flurry Shot it shouldn't really be a problem.
honest kernel
its a bit of a problem if you need the attack to connect for p stat
mossy zinc
Well, don't do Privileged Status.
honest kernel
p stat is pretty good for parting shot, like you get divine strike to expose enemies and weak from crush shot is insane dmg
hoary pasture
I don’t think I’d actively aim for Parting Shot nowadays
mossy zinc
Divine Strike for Exposed?
mossy zinc
Going out of your way to try to make Privileged Status work on Hera when you just want to one-shot everything seems like too much work.
I can see it for bosses at high heat, but then you'd just go for Snow Burst anyway.
flat flicker
And divine strike is just average
It’s not often I get it, but epic Athena attack so fun
It’s a lightsaber
bronze rapids
Exposed is copium for randomized pstat
flat flicker
Exposed is copium for randomized pstat
Or when you run it on beo cshot
and forget to turn it off lol
next acorn
I got exposed + titan toppler for pstat on talos once
was pretty nice
(drunken strike)
ember bronze
Mod question
so there's a standard speedrun mod pack which has some conveniences, but for the most part, leaderboards for both speed and heat community are totally unmodded right?
What about playing more casually, just trying to climb more heats or whatever--typical to use to speed up resets?
next acorn
What about playing more casually, just trying to climb more heats or whatever--t...
just do whatever you want to though
if modded is more fun go for it
hardy garden
so there's a standard speedrun mod pack which has some conveniences, but for the...
modded speedruns are probably more common now. if you want to push up to 50 heat particularly for any aspect that isnt rama, hestia, or beowulf doing it modded is gunna be much less painful
mossy zinc
Just keep in mind that the channels here are for discussion of official stuff in the game, so modded discussion is generally better suited for other servers. E.g., the modded high heat leaderboard is a Hades Speedrunning server thing.
That's also part of the reason why we didn't just add a modded category to the main leaderboard that's pinned in this channel btw.
mossy zinc
@honest kernel what are you trying to do?
honest kernel
bow 32 heat
i got Shield 32 in about 8 tries with beowulf but i gave up after 15 failed attempts of crush shot hera
now im trying drunken chiron
mossy zinc
What's your pact?
Heartbreak Strike is gonna be the easiest start at 32 Heat. You'll get Weak right away and early access to Life Affirmation. Also potential for Heart Rend or Low Tolerance, you can just pick up whoever you see first between the tow.
honest kernel
What's your pact?
its a good pact, i mix and match a bit and sometimes i turn on FO1 but other than that its all the easy ones, right now its exactly what your 32 heat guide is but CF2 replaced with DC2 becasue chiron can handle DC fairly well
honest kernel
rn ppl are dying from 1 attack + 1 special anyway from hangover
mossy zinc
They could die from one Attack.
I think that's up there for most common myths that newer players buy into and bring up here and then get told no, don't do that.
honest kernel
what is
mossy zinc
That DC2 is a good idea on Chiron.
Imagine getting Twin Shot and doing 0 damage with it.
Sadness.
honest kernel
well only skulls and witches are problems with it and theyre quickly dealt with just by specialing in a room randomly
im not a newer player
mossy zinc
Relative to regular high heat players, you're very new.
mossy zinc
well only skulls and witches are problems with it and theyre quickly dealt with ...
VoidCannon — Today at 3:11 AM
goddammit
i hate any combination of bp2 witches in HL5
SO MANY BALLS
Case in point.
mossy zinc
That's beside the point anyway.
I mean you can do what you think is best. I don't recommend taking DC2 on Chiron.
ember bronze
I still don't understand Quick Recovery
mossy zinc
If you Dash within a short window after getting hit, you recover some of the health lost.
It's pretty much just a mercy window for when you Dash too late to i-frame an attack.
honest kernel
how big is the window
flat flicker
how big is the window
Like if you get hit and dash immediately
honest kernel
yeah but how many miliseconds do you have to dash
flat flicker
like, 1/4 of a second window? If you see the damage number before you’ve dashed it’s too late
honest kernel
or frames
honest kernel
all good
ember bronze
Never would have thought it would be Hera Bow--a weapon I didn't understand at all until yesterday
Also Sure Footing deserves to be highlit because I 100% took a pot for 15 at one point
mossy zinc
Sweet build! 
ember bronze
It was hard to get there, but I always had Lady Aphrodite with me
dapper schooner
wrath of the lovely goddess carry
devout quiver
Bouldy out there actually making a difference. Love it when you get a Bouldy that goes with your build
hoary pasture
I take it in Tartarus if its good
jaunty falcon
Big heart early on is high risk but high reward
hoary pasture
Also a big pom is nice if you can guarantee hitting something good
Gold is very meh imo
flat flicker
Attitude towards Erebus in high heat?
If I blow it in Tartarus just reset
jaunty falcon
Especially with CF
flat flicker
But I’ll take em unless I need the boon or whatever on the other door
ember bronze
so worth learning Tartarus ones
flat flicker
Yeah, I’d say so
hardy garden
elysium just spawns a b ball in your face
flat flicker
Another thing is don’t be afraid to Meg
hardy garden
onion bad
flat flicker
Dusa and skelly shine in Erebus too
ember bronze
(I really like onions so constant joke with my girlfriend)
hardy garden
speeder super armored enemies a lso bad
ember bronze
makes sense on the summon
flat flicker
Yea
ember bronze
is it either a mess of armored spawns, or a few greys?
flat flicker
Usually yeah in ely
jaunty falcon
Really depends
flat flicker
But random basically but in elysium it’s gonna be a sweat fest
eternal hare
if you just don't care about the reward elysium erebus gates can be extremely fast
hardy garden
aka superdire b ball teleporting into your face
eternal hare
I used to take them a little more often specifically in tart if it was a god I really wanted in my pool or if it was a big heart
I don't really take them anymore
flat flicker
I don’t usually in speed runs but high heat it’s like, eh, what the hell
mossy zinc
They're a lot worse with JS3 etc.
flat flicker
No real formula to how I do it
But if damage control is on no even if I’m using the rail
Made that mistake enough
hoary pasture
on some weapons it's pretty hard
mossy zinc
Fidi is pretty good in Erebus.
honest kernel
if theres any FO its rough
mossy zinc
Eh, just FO2 isn't much of a concern to me.
ember bronze
I most wrote off Erebus when I started learning FO2, but should start learning it
learned Hades finally after all
mossy zinc
On average if you enter every Infernal Gate and win, your build is gonna be stronger by the end of the run. So that's quite nice.
ember bronze
well if you win every one, easy evaluation 😛
bronze rapids
Also if you take one before the end shop, you get 3 exits which means an extra choice of free stuff
honest kernel
what chambers are the first 3 bosses in
jaunty falcon
14 24 36
ember bronze
14, 24, 36 if not delayed
honest kernel
what can delay them
ember bronze
Erebus or chaos in the immediately preceding room
sets back the whole run by 1 room
honest kernel
cool
ember bronze
Do Hera/Beowulf likers rebind their cast between runs, or just get used to it on L1 for every weapon
bronze rapids
Rebind because it's rail reload otherwise
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/933816237329379408/unknown.png when common doom and ME crossed out 3 times and replaced by stubborn roots
dead to 25% p2 dad 
quartz mantle
Maybe AP2 me is not the move
hardy garden
well i saw athena special in early tart so went with it
wouldve reset for epic doom otherwise
also
gods pride is a scam
hardy garden
on fists
jaunty falcon
Still, me
quartz mantle
i've heard it's kinda good
jaunty falcon
Yeah especially level 40 heroic
hardy garden
quartz mantle
AP2 RI0 is a scam
hoary pasture
hardy garden
ill die to furies even more
quartz mantle
You get to take a tier out of CF too
hoary pasture
quartz mantle
Or just grind out AP2 ME
those are your options
Or just like play with hangover or somethin
hardy garden
all i need is for gods pride to work https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/932092275889156146/Hades_1_15_2022_5_59_38_PM.png
dont even care about ME just want epic doom
flat flicker
Do Hera/Beowulf likers rebind their cast between runs, or just get used to it on...
i use back bumpers and change them out - usually it'll be cast on left, special on right but swap out as needed (as in when playing rail)
but if you like cast on L1 anyway
it's minor, but snow burst feels really good with back paddle lol
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895331680062165022/913203342526791710/Hades_11_23_2021_4_51_58_AM.png just bind everything to random buttons
honest kernel
how often do yall take troves in high heat
mossy zinc
If it's money and I have time, sure.
honest kernel
yea thats what i do too
jaunty falcon
I don’t think I’ve taken a trove in 1500 runs
hardy garden
i take troves in high heat
to reset traps
then i just run out without doing the trove
mossy zinc
Yeah it's good for that, too.
honest kernel
i just got 2 shoted by HL5 EM3 Asterius by himself
rams into me, boom 72 dmg and activates SD
jumps on me
boom dead
lmao
ember bronze
I forgot about troves ages ago
never seems worth the TD risk when I don't know how the run is going to end
oh never thought about traps...
outstanding
flat flicker
Yeah, troves are useful for SD popping when necessary. Also a chaos money boon and a money trove is super fun
mossy zinc
Typical casual.
flat flicker
Nothing like getting 280 bucks tho
bronze rapids
Bonus of stealing dad's secret snack stash
ember bronze
Can you open a trove before looting the room reward?
spiral fiber
https://imgur.com/a/3zdh1y3
Using a trove to suicide for stubborn defiance is big brain lmao
hardy garden
Can you open a trove before looting the room reward?
no
ember bronze
BP has a thing where it uses consistent affixes throughout an act, right?
hardy garden
imagine having ME and HB crossed out like 8 times while trying to do talos 50. couldnt be me
ashen garnet
Relying on ap2 duos/legendaries is close to insanity tbh
cursive portal
Relying on ap2 duos/legendaries is close to insanity tbh <:bouldy:52332911693463...
Ocaml/magnil would like to have a word
hoary pasture
<:FreeRealEstate:530837618259263512>
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp
devout quiver
you could do AP1 sir pomme
Contrary to.what the Pact says, AP1 actually makes getting what you want harder than AP2
confirmed with science
cursive portal
Its true
hoary pasture
That’s only true because your standards are so low with AP2
hoary pasture
devout quiver
lord, where's that clip of Astaos getting the same boon (one they would have like to boot) crossed out like 4 times in a row on AP1
thats still burned in to my memory. Pretty sure it was Glacial Glare?
ashen garnet
Ocaml/magnil would like to have a word
Let's simply say I don't envision high heat as tart resets
devout quiver
yesssssssss
dapper schooner
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> without even aiming for duos
cursive portal
lulw
My 58 beo got lv10 cast, curse of longing via rare doom attack,+1 dash
No patty but braid first tunnel made for a 3:30 dad fight
hoary pasture
It’s DC2 right?
cursive portal
Dc2 cp2 ri1
hoary pasture
ye
cursive portal
I did grind it on and off for a while
bronze rapids
Contrary to.what the Pact says, AP1 actually makes getting what you want harder ...
Can confirm, got Splitting Bolt through AP2 like 4 times