#h1-high-heat-strategies
shy plinth
This is the heat prog I recommend and it gets plenty difficult if you are not used to it
If you instead want to do a challenge run of your own design, by all means do so, but it may be hard for folks to give advice if you're focused on doing something that far off meta
honest kernel
yeaa its fine
thank you tho
now i know what to do if i want to unlock that last skelly statue
shy plinth
For what it's worth my 32 heat pact is not quite the recommended meta pact either
next acorn
^
shy plinth
Usually it's HL5 CF2 FO0
honest kernel
why is em4 so look down upon?
shy plinth
It is extremely difficult
honest kernel
its fun to play
pseudo kernel
Very long and hard fight
next acorn
It scales horribly with other pacts
cursive portal
hardy garden
try em4 fo2
honest kernel
try em4 fo2
i did lol
bronze rapids
the deal with cursed slash is that it doesn't work on dash strikes, and with your pact you want to dash strike a lot to avoid all the enemies
honest kernel
i died
shy plinth
Sounds like it's not free heat
next acorn
free heat 
hardy garden
shy plinth
the deal with cursed slash is that it doesn't work on dash strikes, and with you...
Also cursed slash dc2 is sketchy
honest kernel
just gotta beat it consistently
cursive portal
Thats the problem
pseudo kernel
Yeah just win
cursive portal
The fight is inconsistent
next acorn
just be better
shy plinth
Beating EM4 consistently is rare and most players do not take it until they are well into the 50s
hardy garden
easier to beat other heats more consistently is the thing
shy plinth
Unless they're part of the beo cult
bronze rapids
several people are typing
cursive portal
Beating EM4 consistently is rare and most players do not take it until they are ...
Never took it on mods until 58
honest kernel
easier to beat other heats more consistently is the thing
but super dad is fun
uwu
shy plinth
Having a pact without UC, any level of TD, or any level of BP is making the game harder because you want to
bronze rapids
also can give a false sense of security in the mid to late run
shy plinth
And that's cool if it's what you want to do
But you'll die more if you do it your way
As long as you are aware of that, go nuts
next acorn
EM4 is fun
bronze rapids
you think your pace/build is good until it isn't
next acorn
just not good if you actually want to clear
honest kernel
i dont mind dying that much i guess
hardy garden
that or forced charon fight right before or after em4 stonks
honest kernel
yooooooo
shy plinth
Like a20 on slay
honest kernel
EM5: Forced charon fight
that would be based
hardy garden
or forced charon tart
next acorn
poggies less resetting on Loyalty Card%
hardy garden
main problem is timing out 99% of the time
honest kernel
or forced charon tart <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
fight charon on every shop visit
next acorn
guaranteed sack
bronze rapids
EM5:mom shows up and disables random boons
honest kernel
oooh
bronze rapids
basically a reverse pom blossom
pseudo kernel
At least you get a 20% discount and 300 obols
honest kernel
basically a reverse pom blossom
that would be a cool boss
i can imagine persophone decking her own son
lmao
shy plinth
EM5: When you get back to the house you have to fight nyx
honest kernel
fight chaos
bronze rapids
Also grow vine traps that you can't dash across
honest kernel
the real boss in em5 is the friends we made along the way
wait
that doesnt make sense
bronze rapids
Achilles drops down on you
-1500 HP
hardy garden
em5 dad summons all the other bosses on you with scaled up health
bronze rapids
Cognitive behavioral therapy?
next acorn
crocodiles biting terrible heratics?
honest kernel
the real boss in em5 is the friends we made along the way
beats em4
“bouldy? Why are you looking at me like that”
“OH CRAP”
next acorn
the h is silent
shy plinth
And invisible
honest kernel
man now i wish there was an em5
pseudo kernel
Just play 64 heat
honest kernel
but thats not em5....
pseudo kernel
Just pretend
honest kernel
man now i wish there was an em5
u have to fight persephone
hardy garden
em5 is actually just dad slapping you in the face with a fatass pact
honest kernel
Just pretend
uwu i guess
doing hades parchment work is em5
i fear no man
but that thing
paperwork
It scares me
pseudo kernel
Idk man doing paperwork with meg is pretty fun
honest kernel
with cerberus you mean
plain parcel
I hope not...
ember bronze
Did we ever figure out what Parting Shot does?
prime lintel
the extra backstab damage only affects the cast iirc?
flat flicker
Did we ever figure out what Parting Shot does?
Yeah, gives you 435 gold when you purge it
bronze rapids
It's ok, if you get fed to the crocs an even number of times, you get back out, just like the Passion Flare bug
radiant oriole
i was gonna say acorn because hades can hit huge or tooth incase i get bad rng like greatarchers that shoot 6 times and destroy the acorn
left prism
Thats still a decent amount of dmg blocked
radiant oriole
so the acorn?
flat flicker
Don't let Nyaanyaa see <:shadeembarassed:520448365809500175>
I’ve long since stopped trying to censor myself on pain of imaginary crocodiles 
next acorn
based
hardy garden
if you have hl5 then acorn is a lot of ehp
flat flicker
hl5 scawwy
ember bronze
I guess while I'm here (haven't played in a while) usual question. Anything neat going on lately on the build/meta front?
bronze rapids
Unseeded heat record for all weapons except spear hit >= 60
ember bronze
That is cool! What aspects?
bronze rapids
The new ones are nemesis sword and Demeter fists
hardy garden
recently demeter, luci, nemesis, and zag shield have done 60
ember bronze
Modded?
bronze rapids
Guaranteed Charged Shot and no AP on the first boon
ember bronze
Just to save time, because it's considered the only viable setup?
bronze rapids
Not sure about "only" but yeah to save time on getting the desired starting kit
hardy garden
basically so you dont have to spend hundreds of hours resetting like damue
bronze rapids
may or may not have other QoL things like always 2 sack, etc
next acorn
always 2 sack, set hammer, guaranteed starting core boon
ember bronze
yeah I get it
I mean some game communities embrace the reset grind for starting items (e.g. spelunky)
next acorn
+quick reset not that that does anything in high heat really lol
bronze rapids
if your "while" was long enough, another Beo feature-bug was discovered where Trippy Flare has a higher damage increase with poms that the game says
ember bronze
some of those on other boons were fixed in the past right?
bronze rapids
I only started playing last year so idk
hardy garden
nah. too reliant on chaos bloodstones
bronze rapids
Still Mirage Flood Flare for speed and Snow Burst Passion Flare for heat
ember bronze
good to know
(I should really learn to play Beowulf--it seems cool, and I don't have shields I like a lot)
shy plinth
Beo isn't an aspect
It's a cult
It is def worth learning, I think one of the first 60s was beo
Ykc if I recall
Such an interesting and diff way to play
Zeus is just as different and powerful too
Lots of micro-optimization of movement
hardy garden
https://imgur.com/a/BRhCR5S beo mid bullrush cast pickup and load big brain
shy plinth
Woah
bronze rapids
Tailesque Rama is the first, at least according to the leaderboard
ember bronze
That was the original heat climb I remember
shy plinth
Correct
Baj was the first to 58, I believe Tail hit 58 the next day and 60 shortly after
Baj did the routed 64
And then a lot of the 60s started rolling in, especially after we linked the sheets to the CN submission form
warm dagger
Baj did the routed 64
I remember this.
shy plinth
Was incredible
Yeah ykc has done 62 on zeus, 60 on beo, and Damue has done 60 on Eris Lucy Nemesis Demeter
The high heat meta has switched from youtube to bilibili
hardy garden
damue also has double rama 60s
shy plinth
!
next acorn
he WHAT
bronze rapids
hardy garden
special only rama
ember bronze
62 is hell mode and everything besides RI4?
shy plinth
My goodness
ember bronze
(and 60 is everything besides RI3?)
shy plinth
I think people were doing everything but superdad for a while
next acorn
Damue is insane
hardy garden
free one heat 
ember bronze
is there a mod for Personal Liability? I like my save/collection/history and don't want to redo it
shy plinth
I think there's a way to turn it on yeah
hardy garden
so chaos 62 heat when its just cshot zag shield but dc2 is free
next acorn
bronze rapids
imagine using the Chaos special
hardy garden
smh
ember bronze
What does Swift Strike do for Rama?
flat flicker
is there a mod for Personal Liability? I like my save/collection/history and don...
yeah the speedrun modpack has a toggle for it
if on steam
flat flicker
What does Swift Strike do for Rama?
i don't think it speeds up dash-strike, meaning dash striking still faster even with it and standing still, try not to stand still
hoary pasture
can I install same mods?
Pretty sure you can yea
cursive portal
can I install same mods?
#self-promotion pins have the speedrunning discord, join it then read the pins on #modded runs for how to install/how to navigate the mods
mossy zinc
Did we ever figure out what Parting Shot does?
Casts get any backstab bonus damage that you have when they hit from behind. The +35% from the duo itself only applies to Casts.
mossy zinc
https://imgur.com/a/BRhCR5S beo mid bullrush cast pickup and load big brain <:bo...
I've been telling people to do that since before 1.0.
mossy zinc
It becomes a lot more important with RI3.
ember bronze
Nice, thanks for all of the above
mossy zinc
@radiant oriole the High Heat Leaderboard is pinned here in this channel and has a separate sheet for Mirrorless. 
flat flicker
Casts get any backstab bonus damage that you have when they hit from behind. The...
So if you have fiery presence it is useless and if you don’t it’s kinda maybe a little useful (nonwithstanding it’s a perfect Aphrodite etc etc)
That duo shoulda been greatshields fall in love with you and give you their shield
flat flicker
Please continue, always down to learn why I’m wrong
Assault is chaos backstab right
mossy zinc
Yes.
mossy zinc
Oh I meant Ambush. But anyway, can't get that one with Fiery Presence actually. But Nemesis Crests still good.
flat flicker
Like backstab triggers from the front or something
flat flicker
Backstab from the front works on crush shot hera too? Thought that was just phalanx
mossy zinc
No, you need to hit from behind.
flat flicker
I know, I was checking if the backstab bug is only for phalanx shot
So I guess I don’t know lol ok only works for Athena cast got it
🐊
mossy zinc
What does a crocodile have to do with it?
flat flicker
Mixed up something about Aphrodite, just saving a step
mossy zinc
Why would making an honest mistake get you fed to the sacred crocodiles?
cursive portal
why are these specific crocodiles sacred?
flat flicker
Never hurts to be prepared for the inevitable
mossy zinc
Just be kind and follow your heart and you'll be fine.
flat flicker
why are these specific crocodiles sacred?
That’s what happens when they eat enough Lando
mossy zinc
Blasphemy.
cursive portal
you disgusting HEATHEN
hoary pasture
cursive portal
velvet quest
Why Is jurry summons secretly very difficult (・へ・)
velvet quest
More ads = more coin?
cursive portal
most rooms will only give you like 20-30 coins anyway
also cant spend the money if you're dead
velvet quest
And If you get a early side hustle then it is useless
velvet quest
But it good if you are trying to fill out the codex
velvet quest
Can side hustle become a legendary?
radiant oriole
<@!200383095591927808> the High Heat Leaderboard is pinned here in this channel ...
I thought tailesque did 50 mirrorless with the same weapon and aspect
But I’ll submit anyways
hoary pasture
Can side hustle become a legendary?
Heroic yes
flat flicker
Why Is jurry summons secretly very difficult (・へ・)
Mostly it’s because of time - jury will slow you down
hoary pasture
And bad bp2 rooms can be pain yea
flat flicker
cloner damage control skulls
very unbased
js3 with that is straight up
getting zerg rushed
flat flicker
oh for sure
and its never quite as bad as it seems
but
ngl, i love that this game can still make me sweat in the first area lol
hoary pasture
Slugger Seeker witches
flat flicker
cloner witches no fun
hoary pasture
cursive portal
B a l a n c e
flat flicker
@hoary pasture your Bouldy isn’t displaying on mobile
cursive portal
Ydbould
bronze rapids
I see it fine
flat flicker
bronze rapids
cloner homing witches
Are BP combinations random or do some enemies only have certain BPs
hoary pasture
I think there are a few things
Like melee enemies cant be seekers
Because they have no projectiles
Burners are Asphodel Exclusive and Poppers are Ely exclusive
Not sure if there is something else
bronze rapids
I don't think I've seen cloning things in Elysium?
hoary pasture
Hmm Cloners might be Tart only
left prism
Yup
hoary pasture
Yea makes sense
left prism
Iirc is cloner in tart/lava spit in aspho/popper in ely
bronze rapids
cloning large chariots
flat flicker
dapper schooner
19 gold each chamber
125% RD overrated, 19 gold per chamber is the real tech
devout quiver
With that much gold you can just buy RD 
quartz mantle
I know, I was checking if the backstab bug is only for phalanx shot
Phalanx shot backstabs from the front and frontstabs from the back
quartz mantle
Can side hustle become a legendary?
Also that’s not how legendaries work
Check your codex for that
velvet quest
Phalanx shot backstabs from the front and frontstabs from the back
That's weird
quartz mantle
Each god has a specific legendary boon
velvet quest
Ok
quartz mantle
And yea phalanx shot is wacky
Hermes is the only one with 2
Most legendaries are pretty hard to get as they take multiple specific boons from the same god
Like Zeus’s legendary Splitting Bolt, requires a core boon (attack, special, cast, dash, or call) and one of the following tier twos (Storm Lightning, Double Strike, or High Voltage)
flat flicker
Like Zeus’s legendary Splitting Bolt, requires a core boon (attack, special, cas...
storm lightning is doodoo
the dream is take it, get splitting, then purge it
quartz mantle
Poseidon
How could I forget HUGE CATCH
Yea Storm Lightning on Zeus attack is a crisp sell boon
gaunt fiber
Also that’s not how legendaries work
Can I become legendary? 
hoary pasture
You already are
quartz mantle
Legendary boon Astaos
left prism
Legendary boon Astaos
"Makes you good at gy"
hoary pasture
Is there one that just makes you good
mossy zinc
Is there one that just makes you good
Aspect of bablo does that.
flat flicker
Can I become legendary? <:zagPls:818342883056680980>
you're an aspect
pure lily
Does patty heal you with LC 100%?
pseudo kernel
no
pure lily
oh
Yes, def taking that
Never ran into him with stubborn before
If I had the butteryfly would that make it last 30 turns?
pure lily
yeah
pseudo kernel
and no it wouldnt
pseudo kernel
hourglass only affects things in wells
cursive portal
Spearpoint actually
Lots of hp
Don't want to lose it all too quickly
More important on hell mode
mossy zinc
So if you get patty, it might be better to take tooth over Acorn
Lucky Tooth is unaffected by Touch of Styx if you were thinking that. It's always 100 HP.
bronze rapids
Tfw I try running L1 GY and Tooth gives me more HP than regular 80% SD
pure lily
Ah
Thanks for the tips
Made it to Hades just now, first time with 40 heat, trying to calm my nerves before I start hah
pure lily
IDK how yall nerves stand it
my hands are shaking lol
Also I died because I somehow just learned that not all calls make you invincible and just stood there and died. How did it make it so far not knowing lol
mossy zinc
All Calls have i-frames on activation.
But they don't all make you invincible for the whole duration.
mossy zinc
IDK how yall nerves stand it
Just experience tbh. The first time on a new Heat PB is always the most nervous, and you'll throw runs that you wouldn't throw if you were just calm.
One thing I do as I go in is to tell myself to just focus on a clean fight.
Like don't worry about the timer or your HP or anything... you know how to do the fight, just focus on executing that.
hoary pasture
yea nerves are inevitable when you're going for a pb
pure lily
I suppose it's inevitable
mossy zinc
I think most of us at some point have thrown a Heat PB or a speedrun PB because we got greedy at the end and figured we could kill him before his attack goes through... and then he has 1 HP left.
hoary pasture
But you do get used to it, I remember literally throwing fights because of nerves, but now however I still literally throw fights because of nerves
mossy zinc
You can check my runs on the leaderboard, I win all my Hades fights.
mossy zinc
We're undefeated.
pure lily
Same
ember bronze
I feel like I never learned how to dodge Asterius EM3 charge
mossy zinc
You either get next to an obstacle and dash towards or perpendicular to Asterius at the last moment or you get between two obstacles and dash towards Asterius at the last moment (he'll try to do turn around and very likely crash into one of the obstacles in the attempt).
ember bronze
so you have to learn to intuit how to make him sharply curve into a post as he tries to track you
(a post or a wall is easier?)
mossy zinc
Well, it's like I said. (1) You get next to an obstacle > he comes close > you dash away just before he hits > he crashes. (2) You get between two obstacles > he comes close > you dash through him just before he hits > he turns around (and likely crashes).
Pillar, wall, Theseus. Doesn't matter so long as it's an obstacle.
ember bronze
mhm
mossy zinc
If you have Deflect, it's also possible to deflect his charge just before he crashes into you. Though that's probably more advanced to get the timing down on that.
Like with Malphon and Divine Strike, you can just stop his charge with a punch lol.
You can also use a Call to i-frame his charge at the last moment.
ember bronze
I guess I should have specified FO2
I'm just never quick enough to get separation and set it up
mossy zinc
FO2 doesn't change the tactics, you just need to be more on point.
Also tbh one strategy I use a lot is to just tank the hit with Acorn.
Especially if you have the DPS.
ember bronze
mhm
mossy zinc
I'm just never quick enough to get separation and set it up
Well, don't get caught too far from the obstacles as you fight and you won't have to suddenly make a run for one.
ember bronze
Playing FO2 is basically forcing myself to think about anything other than DPS spam during combat
forcing myself to think about anything during combat*
forcing myself to think**
shy plinth
Fo2 ended up being the way I finished 24x32, it was just so much less punishing to get hit
So dps carried anyway
mossy zinc
Depends on your build and whether you have any HL.
shy plinth
Nyaanyaa made fun of me but I stand by it lol
ember bronze
Yeah, we've talked about it
cursive portal
ember bronze
I got to 32 on all aspects, when I wasn't good at them, by lowering FO
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa made fun of me but I stand by it lol
I didn't. That's slander.
ember bronze
FO adds so much more damage than HL does!
shy plinth
It is certainly plausible that you said something along the lines of "git gud" with a Courtney emote
ember bronze
(unless you can, like, avoid the damage, by playing the game)
but that's crazy talk
who does that
shy plinth
Playing the game? Sounds difficult
ember bronze
no I said I was the one to had to learn to play
FO0 was: build with whatever weapon, dashstrike through the game
mossy zinc
It is certainly plausible that you said something along the lines of "git gud" w...
m very sure I just said if it works for you, keep doing it.
shy plinth
Though tbh watching Tailesque videos is when I started stepping up my game, something about the precision of his movement was really helpful to have something to emulate
shy plinth
m very sure I just said if it works for you, keep doing it.
Hrm this also does sound like you
ember bronze
Right I mean, if I can kill Ornstein and Smough, I can I kill Superdad
shy plinth
Playing hades like sekiro works well and we don't have dragonrot
ember bronze
But that is sure not how I have played Hades so far
shy plinth
Superdad is quite the challenge
ember bronze
I mean, more really, even when learning the initial game, you have to learn to dodge Hades spins at least a little, etc., to win
shy plinth
Very small number of people that do it routinely
ember bronze
but on FO2 I suddenly have to actually think about good vs. bad times to attack him
absolutely never happened on FO0
attack away, and then if something happens, Dash will be off cooldown
practicing low heat FO2 Hades with, like, Rama was forcing me to learn the fight and when not to attack him in neutral
jaunty falcon
Chill
mossy zinc
If it's just HL0 EM4 FO2 with an any-heat build, I wouldn't give him any respect tbh.
ember bronze
I should make a save to practice EM4 FO2
being confident at the fight would be super useful
mossy zinc
Especially if you're not using LC4.
ember bronze
The goal would be to learn it well enough to do on LC4
Is it still pretty standard to go LC4 and try for Last Stand and Patroclus?
mossy zinc
Standard for what?
ember bronze
say 40-50
mossy zinc
I'd say the standard at 40 for experienced players is to just speedrun it, and at 50 you're just going for any half-decent build at all.
Anywhere inbetween it just really depends on your comfort level and the pacts etc.
But LC4 SD is the standard, yes.
Just you're not necessarily going out of your way to try to get DDs from Lady Athena unless you happen to run into her anyway.
If I see in her Tartarus, m not gonna be like no, I don't want Divine Dash. 
ember bronze
Patroclus is a huge swing in how much HP you have for Hades, I guess you just live with it
mossy zinc
It's not like you can force him to appear.
You're happy when you see him and sad when you don't.
ember bronze
I quite often go Act2 Athena, for Dash and hoping for a DD
mossy zinc
It's not a bad strategy if timing out isn't a concern.
cursive portal
Depends on the weapon
mossy zinc
I'd say my first concern against EM4 with any aspect is dealing good damage.
cursive portal
50 heat(without em4) does either RI2 AP1 or RI0 AP2 generally.
You pick the latter if you are reliant on a very small amount of boons.
The first if you are hammer reliant.
If you want a very strong build, hp you will have to take EM4 for RI0 AP1
That's kinda oversimplified since I didnt touch on DC(some aspects are allergic to it) but should give a general idea for the meta at 50 heat
jaunty falcon
RI2 AP2 can also work on some aspects that need nothing but an attack boon
mossy zinc
Well, that part is basically just that some aspects like Rama get 2 (mostly) free Heat from DC2.
cursive portal
RI0 AP2 is also fine if you are willing to highroll/depending on rarity
cursive portal
RI2 AP2 can also work on some aspects that need nothing but an attack boon
Hestia, zag shield/chaos etc
jaunty falcon
Hestia especially unmodded
cursive portal
Its a difficult pact, but allows you to turn down JS,CF
Or even turn off hell mode entirely
jaunty falcon
JS2 CP0
cursive portal
Its used for speedruns mostly but also pretty interesting for a first clear imo
cursive portal
Well, that part is basically just that some aspects like Rama get 2 (mostly) fre...
Saviors say hi
jaunty falcon
ember bronze
I'm not quite that high yet, but interesting to look ahead
I still have have to get the gameplay down to play with more FO and HL
jaunty falcon
Aphro and Demeter can help you transition into that
They are basically negative heat
mossy zinc
I should make a save to practice EM4 FO2
From what you've said, I think you're actually best off working on your builds, strategy, and just overall Hades fundamentals. Builds being just the gods and boons to pick + what to upgrade. Strategy being overall gauging what rewards to choose (like when to choose HP over poms over boons etc.), what keepsakes to use, when to pivot into another build opportunity, what pacts to choose, etc. etc.
ember bronze
I do like Demeter--when I was initially climbing Heat I played her a lot with stuff like Chiron
Lately I rarely am intentionally building for Demeter
mossy zinc
And fundamentals just being how, why, when you move your character where and when to attack and how aggressive to be etc. etc. Like, clearing encounters efficiently.
ember bronze
Yeah, I've spend a lot of time getting used to the roguelike decisions, I really need to get shipshape at the combat
cursive portal
Lately I rarely am intentionally building for Demeter
She's usually not the first option for many aspects
Her damage is lower % wise than aphrodite and she isnt as scalable as artemis
mossy zinc
Getting your PBs down is good for all of that because it forces you to play efficient and max your DPS. So you'll get a better feel for how strong you can make your builds and how aggressively you can play + how to be efficient when being aggressive.
ember bronze
Should force myself to Pom starts and build around whatever I get
mossy zinc
Hmmm. I don't really agree with that tbh. I'd say learn to make the most of meta builds before you worry about how to make unorthodox builds work.
ember bronze
it's fun anyway, I play a ton with a habit of a select few builds
back from a break is when I have more patience for lower heat and weird stuff
mossy zinc
Yeah, if it's more fun, definitely go for it.
ember bronze
What Sword do people think is easiest to progress on?
quartz mantle
Nemesis does a lot of damage with the typical sword playstyle
Poseidon does decent damage if you don't want to play sword and just do cast things
Arthur is safe and large if you can play slow
ember bronze
mhm
mossy zinc
Excalibur is suffering with FO2.
ember bronze
yeah, also I'm less good at playing that controlled
also I have a very specific hate about how a dashstrike cancels the Excalibur special
all can fun, but I don't like the sword moveset as much, so if Poseidon has potential, might enjoy it the most for getting used to
quartz mantle
Poseidon just gives your casts a nice 50% damage bonus so it likes high base damage casts
ember bronze
trying Zeus right now, but best for hard stuff is to get Ice Wine or something?
quartz mantle
Nyaanyaa will tell you how good Crush shot is against bosses but I personally find that Phalanx Shot helps a lot for safety and room clear if you can get the Lightning Phalanx duo
Crush shot good at a base level, Phalanx Shot scales better basically
other notable casts are like Hunting Blades for Slicing Shot or Ice Wine/Scint Feast for Trippy Shot
the problem with those is their overall damage is gonna be lower than Phalanx or Crush
simply because Phalanx and Crush are typically nerfed by being lodged into the enemy and with Poseidon you get to bypass that
ember bronze
mhm
quartz mantle
Also killing the enemy drops the casts so you know
mossy zinc
Crush Shot Poseidon leans more into sword fundamentals than the other Casts.
Since you'll want to use Cast > Dash-Strike x2 a lot to speed things up and not just be in one spot point-blank.
While with something like Phalanx Shot you can cast from midrange or farther out.
quartz mantle
It's also nice when your main source of damage deflects enemy attacks
mossy zinc
It certainly is.
ember bronze
Yeah, that all sounds nice
quartz mantle
Athena isn't typically used for attack/special boons for offense because there are better options but when it comes to casts she's definitely up there
mossy zinc
If you want to learn sword, I think Nemesis practice will prepare you better for Poseidon than Poseidon will prepare you for Nemesis.
quartz mantle
That is fair yea Poseidon is the best sword if you don't want to play sword
mossy zinc
Cast builds when they come together have a tendency to carry the run with you not needing to do anything but press Cast.
ember bronze
very fine with that
mossy zinc
Like, the hard part of Cast builds is rolling the right Chaos boons and Well items and finding poms.
quartz mantle
The hardest part of cast builds is selecting Beowulf
mossy zinc
Hera.
quartz mantle
Nah with Hera you need to aim and manage your casts and survive
Beo does all that for you
bronze rapids
but with Hera I feel like I'm actually being cool and trying to outbrain the game
mossy zinc
but with Hera I feel like I'm actually being cool and trying to outbrain the gam...
That's because you are.
honest kernel
shifter butterfly ball miniboss is cursed
whenever i beo dashed it teleported away before i could hit it lol
luckily battie one shotted its armor
so the buffs go away onces its armor is gone? first an enemy lived long enough for me to notice lol
bronze rapids
I think it still teleports? You probably nuked it before it can teleport again
dapper schooner
also am p sure buffs dont go away when armour is gone for BP enemies
speeder enemies dont suddenly become slower
halcyon onyx
I got a funny problem. My Xbox lags when there are too many enemies or boss in heat 40 trial of gods.
quiet mountain
probably #h1-discussion but the dog is awesome
next acorn
My switch starts to lag in cloner rooms
hardy garden
kinda a bruh moment when youre fighting superdad and you start lagging
honest kernel
imagine if superdad had armor and was cloner speeder
quiet mountain
i kinda wish hades at some point would have armor
make the effects against armor a little more worth considering
but nbd tbh lol
hardy garden
well bosses already arent stunned by attacks
mossy zinc
kinda a bruh moment when youre fighting superdad and you start lagging <:bouldy:...
Hades's POV with 10 stacks of Chill.
honest kernel
FO-2
quiet mountain
yes
quartz mantle
imagine if superdad had armor and was cloner speeder
Ok that could actually be a cool raid boss style
Maybe not speeder but like cloner bosses
bronze rapids
he's invisible in the whole fight and you need to judge by the footprints where he is
bronze rapids
That's the most aggressive petting I've seen
gaunt fiber
flat flicker
mossy zinc
@flat flicker why 43 with Talos?
Besides, the sacred crocodiles can't be told what to do. They do as they please. 🐊 🐊 🐊
honest kernel
@mossy zinc why do u use hourglass in styx instead of acorn or tooth
mossy zinc
Damage.
Especially when I know 2-sack is guaranteed so any items I see in the Well there will carry to Hades.
hoary pasture
Well that's a reason not to take hourglass
Because those items carry on to hades anyway
honest kernel
do u take it in elysium or only switch to it in styx
hoary pasture
You take it in Elysium then check the interbiome before entering styx, buy whatever then swap to another keepsake
mossy zinc
@flat flicker you've been disrespecting the sacred crocodiles for too long, they're fighting back. 🐊 🐊 🐊
@plain parcel HydraLite was from a Fateful Twist.
No reason not to buy those if I have Hourglass and plenty of money to spare.
plain parcel
I suspected it might have been. Not sure why it got a special mention in the victory screen...
mossy zinc
That's exactly why.
flat flicker
Oh I forgot those exist
Tell the sacred crocodiles to tell aphro to have fewer t1 boons that aren’t core 
👼 🐊
hope you're satisfied
nah, i dont like that name change
there we go
the 2008 florida gators
full of murderers and tim tebow
thats scary like sacred crocodiles
quiet mountain
gator gang rise
flat flicker
pseudo kernel
flat flicker
<#725021448426749993> <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
crocodiles are part of #h1-high-heat-strategies though i still feel deep shame for forgetting cat in the last video
flat flicker
none
he was sleeping
also i thought of "the aspect of global warming" for that video after the fact
shoulda waited til he was awake to record it
i guess that's yet another reason to feed me to crocodiles
next acorn
Tell the sacred crocodiles to tell aphro to have fewer t1 boons that aren’t core...
YES
PLS
bronze rapids
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/849657007131721758.gif?size=44&quality=lossles...
What does this even mean
cursive portal
Cat assault
bronze rapids
oh gods they aren't in sync
bronze rapids
pseudo kernel
cursive portal
No memes channel
bronze rapids
ember bronze
A day or two ago, someone was telling me about the speedrun modpack. If I use that, will it mess up cross-saves?
ember bronze
Relatedly--is there a mod or even just a save editor for enabling/disabling Hell Mode?
next acorn
https://imgur.com/h9MUAwl r8 my pact
Pretty good
pseudo kernel
A day or two ago, someone was telling me about the speedrun modpack. If I use th...
idk go ask that in the modding server pinned in #self-promotion
ember bronze
https://imgur.com/h9MUAwl r8 my pact
Feels to me like a typical 32, other than me being an FO hater and it found it easier to turn it down when doing 32s on aspects for the first time
plain parcel
I'd add more HL to drop to FO1.
next acorn
I would personally do HL4 FO1 instead but what your doing is perfectly fine
pseudo kernel
yeah pact looks fine
honest kernel
ok ill do that
honest kernel
if you're comfortable with fo2
i am not
ember bronze
(But since others are saying it, yeah, I'd consider FO1 to be easier, at the cost of HL, DC depending on what you're doing)
pseudo kernel
i am not<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
then i wouldnt take it
bullman will just kill you
honest kernel
dc on beowulf seems bad ill take HL4
i run out of time often but i need the heat so ill just try to get used to 5 min
honest kernel
bullman will just kill you
both times ive gotten to it with barely and time left, but for the aspect of zues one, even if i had time i woulda gotten DECKED
i was pretty close to beating them on beowulf but thats the furthest ive gotten
ok yea what the heck removing FO2 makes the game 3x easier
even by making HL go up 3 points im taking half as much dmg
next acorn
DC Beo very bad
quartz mantle
https://imgur.com/h9MUAwl r8 my pact
That is the optimal 32 heat pact™️
devout quiver
I always use FO2 just so don't "forget" how to play with it...
That said I havent booted up Hades is a long time now
dapper schooner
That is the optimal 32 heat pact™️
doesnt have RI4 AP2 or EM4, clearly very unoptimal.
next acorn
quiet mountain
ri v ap
hoary pasture
What heat are you doing
RI is very bad you start taking it around the 50 mark
Taking it before that is just gonna ruin your builds for no reason
AP1 is okay
hoary pasture
Taking it before that is just gonna ruin your builds for no reason
AP2 is same thing as this
flat flicker
yeah i literally think ap would hurt way less if you only had one choice
not like, lol here's your stupid lightning reflexes noob, sorry about that purple jolted
that hurts my soul
hoary pasture
Just dont take it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp
quiet mountain
i want lower other heats
flat flicker
HL40
quiet mountain
i am at 60
flat flicker
oh if youre at 60 then
hoary pasture
60 what
quiet mountain
hl
jaunty falcon
Strongnt
flat flicker
unpowerful
gotta get toe macros
foot pedals to get extra buttons
Then a cat to operate them
cursive portal
oh if youre at 60 then
flat flicker
Cards on the table I thought I was on a different discord where toe macros is a regular joke
Derp
Don’t really know what id need toe macros for in hades
(There’s use cases in flight simulators)
quiet mountain
i mean chuckled so it’s nbd lol
flat flicker
i will say that extra controller buttons are super helpful
but i have two and dont know what id do with a third
idk maybe like, dash strike, dash strike, cast special for poseidon sword and step on my toe macro to do that in one press
hmm
flat flicker
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799734983702347787/902625493327691806/cat...
Oh based you hit 60, good stuff!
cursive portal
quiet mountain
i will say that extra controller buttons are super helpful
what do u even use em for
i have standard controls and i don’t feel like i need more room
flat flicker
congrats @cursive portal
flat flicker
@quiet mountain i have two back paddles that are usually cast and special. the main idea is that i dont need to take thumb fingers off dash and attack ever, it's particularly helpful on Beowulf and Hera cause i can load while charging
the special as a paddle feels great for things like GY, Zeus
on Hestia i switch the cast to the reload button
quiet mountain
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/928994934588076032/222...
now do 61
quiet mountain
eheheheheh grats tho
flat flicker
quiet mountain
i may have to try it eventually
flat flicker
u guys aren't playing hades on hotas???
I’ve unironically tried
Might try again if I get my Hotas fixed
fallen cosmos
based
bronze rapids
what's a hotas
fallen cosmos
flight sim controller
flat flicker
Stands for hands on throttle and stick
fallen cosmos
flight stick and throttle ye
hoary pasture
Looks fun
flat flicker
i need to fix mine
but
i'd do flight stick hades lol
there's three buttons on the back of the throttle
hm
hardy garden
just like do this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/895331680062165022/913203342526791710/Hades_11_23_2021_4_51_58_AM.png
flat flicker
That’s on a stick?
hardy garden
standard xbox controller yes
hardy garden
<@!242508182843293696> i have two back paddles that are usually cast and special...
maybe shouldve replied to this
hollow elk
what do you think is the best pact of punishment modifiers for 16 heat
hollow elk
thank you!
flat flicker
another way to set up pacts: load it to max, then take stuff off until youve hit your goal, then go immediately
Hat's is way better for progressing overall
mine is 100% to stop overthinking and just play
i do this for every run over 32 i do lol
hardy garden
can just add fo1, bp2, or em3 to this then 1 point of hl or lc. pretty much the same as above
flat flicker
@mossy zinc have aphro cast zeus call beo and oceans bounty for some reason, do I take a zeus Poseidon trial in chamber 10 or a pom
mossy zinc
Pom.
flat flicker
Word
I miss licked and took athena cause I’m so used to not buying food items but
2:41 Tartarus
And didn’t lose a defiance this time 
mossy zinc
Threw a sub 10 Hera 40 Heat in the last couple seconds.
Whose idea was it that green urns do 150 damage? 
Oh right, my own when I picked Heightened Security.
shy plinth
Team hsc
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
@flat flicker now do 40 Heat.
mossy zinc
Yeah.
mossy zinc
2:20ish, I think?
honest kernel
any recommended pacts i need to take in 32 heat? everything is killing me, made it to the hydra afaik
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
honest kernel
i'm using spear on the run bc it's my only good weapon LMAO
jaunty falcon
<2:00 aspho
mossy zinc
Well, it's Hera.
mossy zinc
Were you asking about my Hestia run earlier or the Hera run that I threw? lol
jaunty falcon
Hestia lmao
mossy zinc
Ah. I don't remember Tartarus exit, but Asphodel exit was like 3:30ish.
hoary pasture
hoary pasture
Imagine playing Hestia
mossy zinc
Been there, done that.
gaunt fiber
Nice
flat flicker
Based
flat flicker
Yeah it’s good if you’re going for a meme run to get a level 30 boon
jaunty falcon
Mirage prereqs and exclusive access leaving tart 👀
mossy zinc
What's EM4 fight WR?
jaunty falcon
Idk but Mike got a 1:01 I think
mossy zinc
Oh, so you're trying to beat that?
jaunty falcon
Yes
mossy zinc
Seems like both of your attempts at beating somebody here failed, maybe try a third person.
mossy zinc
I think it should be easy to beat
But maybe @jaunty falcon is cursed to always come second.
jaunty falcon
Tsk
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/931680030856200232/860890017613873193.webp
Just farm dio beo builds
Bad News Epid RD
some blessed well
hoary pasture
Might aswell install codex mod and get right into the fight lmao
jaunty falcon
Nah I want to see the build up
hoary pasture
Okay fair
bleak flare
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/928994934588076032/222...
congrats holy moly
ember bronze
FO2 practice paying off https://twitter.com/HamletEJ/status/1482280208610705409
flat flicker
LOL
hoary pasture
Goated hermes
pseudo kernel
Abyssal gaming
pseudo kernel
Legacy eris kinda interesting
hoary pasture
I know I would
hardy garden
Legacy eris kinda interesting
splitting headache op wdym
pseudo kernel
Common hangover
quartz mantle
splitting headache op wdym <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Heroic Pressure Points lets goooo
hardy garden
wait what the base epic chance for hermes
quartz mantle
wait what the base epic chance for hermes <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
not good
cursive portal
wait what the base epic chance for hermes <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
3%
hardy garden
hoary pasture
Idk this is probably styx hermes
hardy garden
thatd make sense
ember bronze
My Rush Delivery was Styx
But Eurydice Nectar for Hermes is a pretty common thing I hope to do
hoary pasture
Yea it’s very nice value if you do get it
ember bronze
Is legacy generally unusual?
hardy garden
well the only duo you ended up with is splitting headache...
flat flicker
On Eris, yes, but it’s dealers choice tbh
And you have a higher heat record than me so
who am I to tell you you’re wrong
hoary pasture
Unless your build very heavily relies on a duo then pride is usually the go to
quartz mantle
I mean you choose Pride vs Legacy based on how impactful those two types of boons are to your build
hoary pasture
Like Mirage Shot Beowulf or something
flat flicker
In general pride unless I’m going for a duo focused boon like mirage beo, meme beam, ME or smair
quartz mantle
If your build relies heavily on duos it makes sense to go Legacy
ember bronze
I feel like it enables realistic plays to to take some given T2 to hope for a certain leg/duo based on how the game is is going
flat flicker
Uno new pfp
quartz mantle
But Eris really likes strong core boons like Jolted, Splash Dash, a strong special boon, and good Hermes
flat flicker
I feel like it enables realistic plays to to take some given T2 to hope for a ce...
It does do this
hoary pasture
I actually didnt notice that’s uno
quartz mantle
ye
hoary pasture
quartz mantle
I like lil penguin guy with gun
flat flicker
Eris wants rarity on jolted and dash
hardy garden
also yeah you want zeus attack to begin with
ember bronze
I might do a lot of stuff like...well, Brilliant Riposte is here, I’ll take it rather than reroll, and open up Divine Protection
quartz mantle
I mean it's always good to make decisions like that
hoary pasture
That’s generally good
ember bronze
Ya but the EV is pretty low without Legacy
quartz mantle
don't tunnelvision on getting one boon or build in particular keep your options open
Base legendary chance is like 10% right
or 12
idk
ember bronze
(Also just generally, I am super out of touch with any meta)
hardy garden
i just wouldnt consider divine protection as impactful as something like epic jolted.
quartz mantle
Generally speaking if you want a duo/lego you should try to grab a Yarne from the well or Nectar from Erydice
hoary pasture
It’s just something you pick up randomly
quartz mantle
Also yea
hoary pasture
Not aim for specifically
quartz mantle
Epic Jolted kinda stonks
hoary pasture
Common to epic jolted is big
quartz mantle
Big big stonks
hoary pasture
Same applies for other boons aswell like
ember bronze
Right but the optionality
bleak flare
legacy's gonna get worse as you build heat and start taking AP as well
quartz mantle
I mean it's all about what you're giving up for Athena boon
flat flicker
There’s no wrong answers
bleak flare
pride also affects hermes and chaos directly, which is great
quartz mantle
^^
ember bronze
I got forced Demeter in Tartarus, now I start planning around...is there a Cold Fusion play?
quartz mantle
Hermes and Chaos boons can be huge for your build
flat flicker
Pride is the meta for the reasons above
quartz mantle
+1 dash is cool but what about +3 dashes??
flat flicker
I got forced Demeter in Tartarus, now I start planning around...is there a Cold ...
There’s purging pool food
flat flicker
And if it’s a purple special it’s not bad
quartz mantle
about it
flat flicker
just for damage
ember bronze
Mhm
quartz mantle
Yea any % special with rarity good on Eris
ember bronze
And yeah, I’ve waffled a lot
flat flicker
The game encourages it
You aren’t wrong, you won
Eris zeus attack with splash dash is the “optimal” one but
quartz mantle
I mean the play is obviously to take RI so it doesn't matter anyways
ember bronze
I was not thinking about it much for this run, just had it on from doing random stuff
flat flicker
Lol yeah I just did a random run where I forgot to shut off p stats
bleak flare
i think as long as you're not running AP, legacy is totally fine and you can go either way, and it worked out fine for that run
quartz mantle
RI1 AP2 you no longer need to make decisions
flat flicker
Ended up being stonks cause it was smair lol
ember bronze
Normally though with Zeus starts I used to use it for Splitting Bolt value, or Sea Storm if it went that way
flat flicker
RI1 AP2 you no longer need to make decisions
My biggest fear
bleak flare
i'd start to rec pride over it once AP is thrown in though imo
flat flicker
Or second biggest, HL5 scawwy
ember bronze
Or Smoldering, right
quartz mantle
Yea understandable tbh
Eris can get some schnasty duo builds
even with hangover attack
flat flicker
Sea storm 
quartz mantle
Low Tol, Curse of nausea
quartz mantle
Splitting even
quartz mantle
ye
ember bronze
I mean thinking through the discussion just for interest
Epic Drunken Strike would be like +3/tick on Hangover, on a base of like 12 or so? (Not looking at it right now)
Splitting is multiplicative 15% all damage?
Roughly, just on a napkin
flat flicker
Epic Drunken Strike would be like +3/tick on Hangover, on a base of like 12 or s...
Base 4/5/6 by rarity on attack
hoary pasture
Yea Common to Epic is +2
hoary pasture
Splitting is multiplicative 15% all damage?
I assume you’re referring to Splitting Headache here?
hardy garden
technically 14% because of epic pressure points
ember bronze
ya
so roughly a wash on Hangover damage, and Splitting Headache buffed all other damage...probably put me ahead
hardy garden
also technically 10% on arty special
ember bronze
The other thing is, Pride is +20%
so roughly
20% of the difference between white and purple value of boons, on average
So worth about 0.4 damage/tick on Drunken Strike, and 4% additive damage on special
hardy garden
if we do the same for legacy dont we get 1.5% from splitting
ember bronze
right, hard to say the value of having Legacy
how often do you get a Legendary that's more important than Pride's flatter few% general buff to everything
way more variance
bleak flare
i mean, again, pride also affects hermes
hardy garden
tbh id just go for low tolerance and/or curse of nausea with drunken strike to begin with
bleak flare
which can be a dash versus 3 dashes etc
ember bronze
mhm
hardy garden
well tbh id also go lightning strike lol
ember bronze
weird issue of whether you're taking "triple" scaling Hermes boons likes dashes, or "normal" scaling ones like Hyper Sprint
mossy zinc
Normally though with Zeus starts I used to use it for Splitting Bolt value, or S...
Keep in mind Sea Storm was nerfed. Tidal Dash doesn't unlock it anymore.
pseudo kernel
instead of 30% the second cast from mirage does 100% damage on flares
shy plinth
The damage reduction is the true mirage
next acorn
Nerfed dash?
bronze rapids
Chaos curse
hardy garden
i was wondering what curse that was
next acorn
dapper schooner
weird issue of whether you're taking "triple" scaling Hermes boons likes dashes,...
i mean even on HS first hermes you really want RD second hermes
and RD has very high rarity scaling as well
honest kernel
now that ive beat heat 32 im just practicing higher heats while i do bounties, so for heat 13 i did HL1, EM3 and FO2 and bruh asterius by himself almost killed me dam bull man goes fast
dapper schooner
bull man do go nyoom
honest kernel
ok during champions i killed asterius with 1 acorn resist left and thesius alone was easy so somehow im not dead, yay
bouta fight FO2 dad for the first time
update: hes hard
"sometimes one's best is insufficient, boy"
verbal elk
You'll get used to it 
FO2 is pain, but it also feels nice once you get the hang of it
honest kernel
imo thesius chariot is easier (ussually) but golden armor bull is really tough
verbal elk
EM4 = dodge one or two more new attacks
EM3 = what the [redacted] is this fight?????
verbal elk
imo thesius chariot is easier (ussually) but golden armor bull is really tough
All fun and games until you get stunlocked by the bullets, ran over by the chariot & then get slapped in the face by Asterius going beyblade on you
next acorn
if your not used to FO2 yet it might be worth playing with just that so you can practice dad a lot
hardy garden
EM3 feels SO much harder
em4 fo2 hl 5 hs dad says hi
verbal elk
<:bouldy:523329116934635534> em4 fo2 hl 5 hs dad says hi
Y e a Ive been staying away from that. Ive done some FO2 EM4 HL..2 or 3 though
mossy zinc
Do HL5 EM4 CP2 FO2 HS DC2 and then tell me again if EM3 or EM4 is harder.
next acorn
next acorn
beo monodash blobsnug
flat flicker
Em4 easy just use 
honest kernel
has anyone beat heat 64
flat flicker
insane
raw cloud
whats the highest possible heat?
bronze rapids
64
honest kernel
highest published unseeded is 62
which 2 were off
bronze rapids
RI4
mossy zinc
Cold Fusion is quite nice and underrated tbh.
hardy garden
really stonks in ely
hardy garden
what aspect were they using
zeus
honest kernel
what “build”
bronze rapids
Thunder flourish + explosive return