(and thanks for your patience, i have an engineering degree yet can't do percent math to save my life)
#h1-high-heat-strategies
jaunty falcon
4-5 casts isn’t +25% it’s 1.25x damage
So say you have epic rush delivery, an extra cast will be better no matter how big the % of the chaos shot is
bronze rapids
that is 1.25x damage relative to 4 casts
jaunty falcon
Maybe unless it’s like 80% and you have 6 casts already lmao
mossy zinc
I didn't make a mistake. 
bronze rapids
actually hmm
jaunty falcon
The wording implies that it’s consistent with other additive buffs
waxen relic
Keep the (current_bonus_dmg + 1) and the (current_max_ammo) at equal levels and you'll get maximum damage.
tough root
flat flicker
I didn't make a mistake. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
I don’t think you did, but I’m still not clear on where the take the cast bonus damage or the bloodstone break point line is
mossy zinc
The wording implies that it’s consistent with other additive buffs
No, it doesn't. You're not reading it right. I said going from 4 to 5 is equivalent to +25% when you have no bonus damage. The bonus damage is factored into the equation to give you an actual comparison between the two. Hence why the added bonus damage from +1 ammo goes up as your current bonus damage goes up (e.g., +31% if you have +25% from Family Favorite already).
With +100% current bonus damage from an Epic Rush Delivery, going from 4 to 5 bloodstones would be equivalent to +50% Cast damage.
bronze rapids
imo there's also the consideration that you're usually not unloading all the casts at once
mossy zinc
No, because there are a lot of other factors involved like damage breakpoints, having to pick up your bloodstones, etc. But you can at least use that to try to make a more informed decision.
mossy zinc
I don’t think you did, but I’m still not clear on where the take the cast bonus ...
Tbh I think the players who are very confident in that are too confident for their own good. But it also probably doesn't matter too much in the end, both are good options.
flat flicker
I'm feeling kind of bamboozled here
mossy zinc
Just play with AP2. 
flat flicker
that's less helpful
bronze rapids
I've heard in the wild that the first bloodstone is good since it makes your cast cycle 2+2 instead of 2+1
But then again that's assuming you can keep the cycle up
bronze rapids
(which is probably why im a sales guy now)
don't have to do math right, just have to convince the other person that it is
gaunt fiber
very true
flat flicker
i bring in the real smart people for that part of the sales cycle
shy plinth
rancid spade
thanks!
shy plinth
I think the duo reqs are current
rancid spade
what do you usually take on act3-4? which aspect?
quartz mantle
mfw I change to Beowulf for Styx after playing Guan Yu for the previous regions
hoary pasture
quartz mantle
In all seriousness Tooth/Acorn for Elysium and Acorn for Styx
pure lily
mfw I change to Beowulf for Styx after playing Guan Yu for the previous regions
Well, are you going to show what face you're making?
quartz mantle
Skull Earing for Ely if I'm feeling like a gamer
pure lily
rancid spade
Wdym aspect
sorry yeah, I mean keepsake
shy plinth
I need a pretty good reason to not go god keepsake-god keepsake-acorn-acorn
Tooth in Ely can be right
Also if you're doing Em4 usually tooth over acorn
But also don't do em4
jaunty falcon
I do tooth over acorn in ely unmodded usually
If I don’t have DDs
Asterius miniboss is hard and I’m less likely to have patty
quartz mantle
Where are my earring gamers tonight
jaunty falcon
Probably dying to heroes
next acorn
next acorn
Do you know what happens if you turn on HM with mods and then uninstall them?
quartz mantle
You stay on hellmode
raw cloud
what do you usually take on act3-4? which aspect?
acorn for elysium and collar or tooth for styx
honest kernel
acorn for both ely and styx
honest kernel
:(
next acorn
He was one cast away
Why am I like this
Game should’ve just given me rare drunken dash smhmh
raw cloud
Why would you take off acorn for Styx lol
i just find extra health or a death defiance more helpful for me honestly
cursive portal
Where are my earring gamers tonight
👋
Its free on beo/zeus and some drunken strike stuff
gaunt fiber
Optimal on thunder flourish Chiron
cursive portal
Pfft
quartz mantle
i just find extra health or a death defiance more helpful for me honestly
Collar mathematically isn’t worth over Tooth
Tooth gives you >100 extra health at base
Collar gives you 50 + 25 + 25 if you have full DDs
The only problem is this:
Say you have 20 health left and hades hits you with a spin that deals ~60 damage
That’s killing you if you have the bonus hp from collar or not
Meanwhile if you have tooth in this scenario you get essentially 140 extra hp
quartz mantle
Collar gives you 50 + 25 + 25 if you have full DDs
Also reminder this only applies to having DDs in that case you’re likely in a lower heat setting and probably have the means to out dps the fight anyways
In which case you should use Acorn to avoid getting stunned
And honestly with HL5 acorn is just kinda the move
quartz mantle
Ty for the validation angle man
flat flicker
You should take 🌹so you don’t get fed to 🐊
mossy zinc
Say you have 20 health left and hades hits you with a spin that deals ~60 damage
Or the Spiked Collar keeps you alive with 1 HP while you would have lost a DD with the Lucky Tooth. There are two sides to that.
I actually like the Spiked Collar for EM4 if you have DDs and Touch of Styx Dark, anyway.
quartz mantle
I mean if you have Patty and DDs what you take doesn’t matter you should win that 9 times out of ten
mossy zinc
Helps to make it 9.5 times out of ten.
quartz mantle
The tenth time of course is if you’re using swords/fists/Guan Yu
I am always team acorn supremacy regardless
mossy zinc
There aren't that many players who can confidently beat EM4 with HL5 FO2 CP etc. regardless of whether they have 2 DDs and Touch of Styx Dark or whatever. Every bit helps.
quartz mantle
I mean if you’re not good the answer is acorn anyways
Block a spear throw, save 100 health
mossy zinc
Or lose all your Acorn charges to butterflies. I disagree.
quartz mantle
Ok
gaunt fiber
are we actually arguing that collar is better than acorn
mossy zinc
That's not even close to what anyone said.
shy plinth
Collar can be better than tooth depending on how many dds you have just mathematically
mossy zinc
Right. There's like one rare high heat scenario in which the Spiked Collar can do quite a bit more than Lucky Tooth.
shy plinth
If you have two Athena dds I think
mossy zinc
I forgot if it also gives you HP when you equip it or just increases your max HP.
bronze rapids
I think it does give HP
mossy zinc
Same, but m not 100%.
bronze rapids
I'm just going off the belief that if it didn't, I would've noticed
mossy zinc
If it didn't, I wouldn't have noticed because I almost never take it.
bronze rapids
just randomizer things
rancid spade
oh god, using that build cheat sheet from yesterday made a 19 heat run just as easy as a 0 heat one, what a gamechanger
shy plinth
Nice! Which build did you go with
mossy zinc
It’s acorn or tooth collar just isn’t
That's an oversimplification. The Spiked Collar can sometimes be better than the Lucky Tooth.
next acorn
lol
Timed out in dad :/
well technically I died outright because when I got the 30 second warning I started playing super aggressive and died halfway through p2 but I only had two seconds left anyways so whatever
flat flicker
Still pretty based tho
ruthless reflex?
Im positive that’s intentional but, why?
(More of a explain galaxy brain logic than a wtf, just to make sure I’m communicating that properly)
pseudo kernel
Im positive that’s intentional but, why?
the buff from it is very nice and shield deals with the 1 dash well
hardy garden
cast damage stonks 
next acorn
beo has enough defense with block and bull rush that the second dash isn't needed as much
and the buff is nice
hardy garden
just uh dont have both cshot and one dash
next acorn
yeah just cshot bad
hoary pasture
Yea RR on shield is a common strat
hardy garden
chaos rr jolted damage
flat flicker
wow
@bronze rapids this is what you were talking about I think
That’s pretty based and galaxy brain
flat flicker
Lol
hoary pasture
honest kernel
whats considered “high” heat?
hoary pasture
32+ usually
mossy zinc
32+ on the leaderboard at least.
hardy garden
you can ask whatever heat questions here anyways
hoary pasture
For most the gamers here its 64+
bronze rapids
man how's the 67 grind
hardy garden
im a 50 heat scrub
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
32 is usually the end for the more casual players, and the players who go above that in Heat usually don't know when to stop.
hoary pasture
I'm not watching that unless there is Titan Toppler
bronze rapids
wow I should just uninstall /s
next acorn
Barbs of the Master Huntress
I'm more of a grey eyed vigilance guy myself
flat flicker
i got it at 1.0 and have no idea what that stuff is lol @next acorn
next acorn
oh thres a better one
grey eyed vigilance is Athena's Aid lol
all of the calls had names like that
but now we just get boring ___'s aid
flat flicker
do u know the others offhand thats based af
hoary pasture
TITAN TOPPLER
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War gods thirst (Nyx storyline lol)
pseudo kernel
TITAN TOPPLER
NASTY DASH
next acorn
TITAN TOPPLER
the best one
bronze rapids
but now we just get boring ___'s aid
At least it's easy to remember
(still can't tell which is Curse of Agony and which is Curse of Pain)
next acorn
Blight strike (drunken strike)
hoary pasture
At least it's easy to remember
(still can't tell which is Curse of Agony and whi...
You gotta play more ME
next acorn
oh your right
gaunt fiber
don't thank me
next acorn
That's all I remember lol
mossy zinc
but now we just get boring ___'s aid
Yeah, but people would inevitably just call them [god name]'s Wrath anyway.
next acorn
bronze rapids
You gotta play more ME
My eyes look at the spot where it says "attack/special" instead of the actual boon name
next acorn
if you want to see some cursed early access gameplay
the dash is by far the most cursed
also if you got something that replenished a death defiance and you already had all three you would just get a fourth one LOL
mossy zinc
The Dash looks a whole lot more like Transistor there.
bronze rapids
A = attack
not playing in english moment
next acorn
also titan toppler slows your dash down
mossy zinc
next acorn
I don't know how anyone played the game back then lol
also you could get DR with no artemis core lol
and it was 100% crit chance
bronze rapids
what if tounis was the titan we toppled all along
flat flicker
Someone else got fed to crocodiles!
flat flicker
but they’re sacred
next acorn
just titan topple them
jaunty falcon
I’m going to try and streak at 32 heat with EM4 + HL5. I think I’ll work through all beowulf flares then if I succeed then I’ll keep going with other weapons I guess. Any other challenges I should try at the same time?
pseudo kernel
Mirrorless
shy plinth
Beo curse of drowning
jaunty falcon
Mirrorless em4 hl5 is basically 32 heat right there
I’ll do cod instead of classic flood shot mirage then
shy plinth
I would also accept shackle beo
jaunty falcon
Noted
cursive portal
mirrorless zagwow
cursive portal
left prism
Ah yes the impossible build
rancid spade
can you turn god mode on for heat runs? or it's only for 0 heat?
left prism
Unless you are on hell mode you can turn it on
rancid spade
ah
idc about these community leaderboards, just doing it for myself
if you meant that
did anyone do 64 heat in god mode?
shy plinth
I did not
left prism
64 is hell mode only
shy plinth
God mode would make it easier but at the very highest level the goal is just to avoid getting hit at all
left prism
Also not timing out
rancid spade
fair enough
next acorn
Fine, beo blizzard shot
does that even work
mossy zinc
61 Heat with God Mode would be pretty chill. Just gotta get a couple decent boons and no awfully slow enemy waves.
16 damage from a spin and 20 damage from a spear throw is some real luxury.
flat flicker
and like 20 from a pot
hardy garden
wouldnt it be 30
next acorn
wouldn't it just be 57?
bc its just 80% damage reduction which cancels 4 points of HL
or am I missing something
flat flicker
Maybe 30 idk
flat flicker
hardy garden
smh aint this the casual channel
shy plinth
High heat god mode strategies
bronze rapids
well it is a dev-intended method to play the game
yknow I might just try some god mode 63 for kicks
rancid spade
bronze rapids
good FO2 practice if anything else
pure lily
Talos or Demeter for 32 heat
flat flicker
Dem
next acorn
Talos isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw an aspect with such damage and style? Talos puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an aspect with it's style and power again. Demeter breaks records. Gilgamesh has dash only. Talos breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
in all serious Dem lol
bronze rapids
That's the strongest I've seen anyone feel about a fist aspect that isn't Gilga
What even is the origin of that
next acorn
Ange1 wrote it about zag shield lol
bronze rapids
zag shield good tho???
dapper schooner
Zag Shield isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw an aspect with such damage and style? Zag shield puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an aspect with it's style and power again. Beowulf breaks records. Zeus breaks records. Zag Shields breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
zag shield is good by virtue that shield is good
its just not as good as zeus or beo
next acorn
well chaos isn't a very high bar
next acorn
Chaos is the real "its good bc it's a shield"
this is a perfect way to describe it lol
cursive portal
Zag Shield isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw an...
So true bestie
hoary pasture
It timed out
plain parcel
You can survive a few ticks after the timeout though. One more hit would have done it 
What's the damage per tick after timeout?
mossy zinc
5 per second.
left prism
You can survive a few ticks after the timeout though. One more hit would have do...
They are like 35 seconds into overtime
Also i think thats a spin in the screenshot about hit him
hoary pasture
You can survive a few ticks after the timeout though. One more hit would have do...
You have another phase
This is EM4
plain parcel
Oooh
mossy zinc
Just i-frame the TD damage.
plain parcel
Haha!
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Maybe you should take TD2 instead.
hoary pasture
Just get a 2 sack
flat flicker
~use mods~
cursive portal
trim sigil
Play at 2x speed so you beat the biomes faster
honest kernel
Hades is so good game and i think hades should be win the best game of 2020
next acorn
You can survive a few ticks after the timeout though. One more hit would have do...
This was EM4 so he still had a phase three, I had also been timing out for 40 seconds at this point
hardy garden
hangover chaos smh
flat flicker
Hades is so good game and i think hades should be win the best game of 2020
The Hugo awards which are a writer award thing invented the best video game category to give it to hades last year
hardy garden
that was 2021 tho
rancid spade
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DorDu9hRVO2kHZN0aZOY1eUwkxdtmmg06-05dDuli_4/edit#gid=1012301303 what's the best duo build from these?
for Arthur
hardy garden
smouldering air ig
rancid spade
thank you
honest kernel
The Hugo awards which are a writer award thing invented the best video game cate...
Yes but i think about Steam Awards
flat flicker
Yes but i think about Steam Awards
They invented awards to give to hades, but yes, it got those too
shy plinth
For Arthur I'd go either smoldering or reversal
mossy zinc
Deadly Reversal?
shy plinth
Yes
Smoldering seems better but reversal can make for big chunky arthur crits with arty attack+ath special+ath dash
If I recall Marco is learning heat scaling so Athena is always nice to have
mossy zinc
I'd rather take Divine Strike than Deadly Strike.
quartz mantle
That doc is a big jank
For seastorm Eris it says you should go Zeus attack > Storm Lightning > Jolted
And Pos Special > Dash > Shoals/Wave Pounding which I don’t disagree with
hardy garden
splitting headache beo
quartz mantle
But then it says the best chaos boon is + atk
jaunty falcon
Oh my
quartz mantle
And that the best hammer is delta
shy plinth
But then it says the best chaos boon is + atk
I made it right when 1.0 came out lol
Haven't updated it in quite a while
It was mostly for me to keep track of what I was doing in games and for sharing with other new players
quartz mantle
Well that makes sense
shy plinth
Then I started tapping into the pre-existing knowledge here and realized it wasn't as important
Because if you know the duo prereqs you play more flexibly than this
That's also why I have sea storm as WIP
mossy zinc
WIP, more like out of a job.
mossy zinc
That works too
I think it's a lot better.
Starting Deadly Strike looking for Deadly Reversal is like looking for Merciful End with nowhere near the payoff. And Divine Flourish wouldn't really proc Deadly Reversal enough, which is why you're including Divine Dash...
Starting Divine Strike, you get the deflects easily enough and can just pick up Artemis' Aid or whatever else she offers to unlock the Duo Boon.
shy plinth
Oh I would not start arty strike
I would start athena and take either dash or flourish
But I can see the argument for attack
mossy zinc
Without Smair, you're not really building god gauge fast enough outside of boss fights, so I like Artemis' Aid a lot on Excalibur when I don't have Smair.
And it's a good pom target.
shy plinth
Reasonable
mossy zinc
I would start athena and take either dash or flourish
Hmmm tbh at that point you could just go for Merciful End lol.
shy plinth
Never a reason to close that door
shy plinth
That is a reason I suppose
pure lily
I could use some advice for the fists. Trying to do 32 heat, have done it on every weapon but fists and sword. Should I be doing ME end? I've gotten it twice in a row but still die, I just get hit so much. I can't pull off stubborn defiance because I seem to die twice to bosses, but with DD I really struggle if I don't run into Patty.
radiant oriole
i was trying to deflect lernie shots with my special but auto aim kept it locked on a hydra head 
40 heat mirrorless
hoary pasture
Merciful End is very safe for fists
If your pact and mirror are okay then all you lack is practice
And some rng ofc
hoary pasture
Yea for sure, not the best fists player here but others can help too
shy plinth
Definitely a good idea to post pact and mirror
pure lily
I'm sure you've still done like 40 heat fists lol
shy plinth
Merciful end extremely safe
You can also do like demeter fists with zeus attack and go artemis or aphrodite on special, aph lets you get smoldering air etc
But ME is probably the most reliable way
hoary pasture
I've done 45 yea
shy plinth
Are you running into time pressure?
pure lily
yes
shy plinth
Damage control will do that
pure lily
usually by heroes
shy plinth
It really makes a big difference
pure lily
I find with fists it's pretty easy to knock off though?
shy plinth
It feels easy but you're still timing out, right?
If you're facing time pressure, damage control is something that increases the amount of time you spend in rooms
pure lily
I guess I'm just really not good at 100% hard labor and lasting consequences
Not with this weapon
shy plinth
You can do forced overtime instead
I don't know if you're used to it
I main fists and I did 32x24 with FO2 HL1 CF0
pure lily
Not really, maybe with HL 1 though
shy plinth
It's probably harder but you get to get hit a little bit more, but you get hit more frequently because of FO2
pure lily
I play best with ranged weapons, so I'm getting hit a lot more with fists, FO may increase that but I could try
hoary pasture
||do EM4 ||
shy plinth
ME with god's legacy is probs the safest thing
shy plinth
||do EM4 <:bouldy:523329116934635534> ||
hoary pasture
I like pride
pure lily
||do EM4 <:bouldy:523329116934635534> ||
No 😦
hoary pasture
doom rarity gud
shy plinth
I like pride too but if you really wanna make sure you hit ME
hoary pasture
but yea legacy kinda nice to get it more often
if you have cf0 you'll have a stronger build too which helps
shy plinth
If you're not used to fists, the part of the run where you don't have ME sucks even worse
I love cf0
It's a drug
pure lily
Problem is I got ME twice in a row and still died. Had divine dash one run too 😦
cf 0 would be nice
shy plinth
Have you watched vods of higher heat fist clears
See what techniques people are using that you aren't?
pure lily
Not really. I've watched speed run videos and I feel like I understand what I should do, but executing it is hard lol
shy plinth
hoary pasture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCK1P6bk00Q this is gud too
pure lily
Don't watch speedrun videos for 32
No I know, I just meant like, I've watched videos in general and I still struggle haha
Okay, I'll check this out
13 min jeez
Zeus attack? interesting
shy plinth
It's like short range eris
But I wouldn't worry too much about the build tbh so much as the movement
Tail is one of the most precise players I know
pure lily
Yeah his movement is insane
Is that a more advanced build
or just, something that works
shy plinth
No but Tail is far beyond us mere mortals
hoary pasture
Tru
pure lily
sounds easier to get that ME
hoary pasture
It is
But ME has Divine Dash which helps in terms of safety, and it’s also gonna do more damage most of the time, also having Athena in your pool means you could DDs/ Call which can help
shy plinth
ME is the way to get a 32
If you're already good at fists, zap fists is the way to go faster
ME is the way to simplify and streamline the endgame if you're not good at fists (and still works if you are)
hoary pasture
Yea I jumped from 16 to 32 with ME fists
hoary pasture
pure lily
Man, that second video he naturally gets an epic divine flourish in room 2 🥲
pure lily
ME is the way to simplify and streamline the endgame if you're not good at fists...
makes sense
bronze rapids
yeah boon luck gets more important the higher you go
pure lily
If you have SD but haven't died yet, and get an athena boon that gives another DD, will you get it? or do you have to have an empty slot
bronze rapids
You need empty slot
cursive portal
hard to remember
pure lily
BEcause once you get it, if you die, SD goes first though, right?
cursive portal
exactly
hoary pasture
Yea
shy plinth
Practice
next acorn
3 sack
Like I could have it died here
But I also wouldn’t have died if I didn’t get sacked lol
Just frustrating bc I feel like all my good runs have been getting sacked and there’s nothing I can do about it :(
(This is Talos btw)
pure lily
How important are hammers with ME fist build
shy plinth
Not very
pure lily
cool
pure lily
Ugh
Got ME with divine dash again but died in Elysium
such a steep learning curve for me with this weapon
next acorn
fists bad hard
devout quiver
i somewhat remember there being a hammer that will actually screw up you ME fist build
heavy knuckle was it? maybe
next acorn
heavy knuckle sucks yeah
devout quiver
that one 900% armor damage on dash strike one is pretty poggers. clear that armor with the punch so that the ME proc just kills em.
devout quiver
like all the special hammers are great with demeter tbh
except for Rush Kick probably
pure lily
heavy knuckle was it? maybe
Got that one once and quit the run, it felt bad lol
pure lily
that one 900% armor damage on dash strike one is pretty poggers. clear that armo...
Good idea
honest kernel
is gods pride really better than legacy? rarity is really good but i thought it would be better to more easily find the key duo boons your builds needs to be op
dapper schooner
But then it says the best chaos boon is + atk
hardy garden
is gods pride really better than legacy? rarity is really good but i thought it ...
most builds dont really care for more than one or two duos
next acorn
if your not then pride
shy plinth
Base boons good, if you know what you’re doing you can usually win without duos
And at high enough heat you don’t get boons anyway
I do like legacy for builds that really lean into boons heavily - merciful end, mirage shot
But don’t underestimate how nice it is to have base epic boons
hardy garden
ME with epic doom and rush delivery 
bronze rapids
ah yes Hyper deliverME
honest kernel
what about DF vs OF
honest kernel
But don’t underestimate how nice it is to have base epic boons
yea this game encourages rarity simping
hardy garden
what about DF vs OF
for that its just always dark foresight
honest kernel
persuasion vs authority?
honest kernel
yea ok
dapper schooner
or if youre unananas stacking zoos boons
honest kernel
zeus simp for real
ive played a lot of slay the spire where you kinda just have to make a build with whatever you get, here tho u have a lot more control over what you get so is it better to have a build in mind at the start and force it into fruition?
hardy garden
yeah it usually isnt that hard to get the boons you want if you know what youre doing
and have your mirror maxed
shy gulch
yea generally you have a "core" build that you try to get each run via god keepsakes, then build on top of it based on whatever you get in the run
shy plinth
At 50+ the game also transforms because you have to figure out how to win without boons
CF2 UC AP2 and sometimes RI lead to boon-light runs regularly
shy gulch
even then you have a core build usually, its just that the core build is much smaller and you dont really get to build on top of it
shy gulch
LOL
next acorn
Retrash builds 
honest kernel
would you rather have PL or HS
honest kernel
i mean just compare those 2 as if they were stand alone
cuz they both seem bad for 1 heat
pl prob worse right
hoary pasture
It’s tough to say, most people who have to deal with PL generally have no issues with being combod nor stepping on traps, so it depends on you, I would say PL is easier overall but again, I don’t step on traps often at all…
honest kernel
does LC 1-3 round up regen or down
dapper schooner
PL would be free heat if it wasnt hellmode only
hoary pasture
You rarely get combod to the point where PL matters a lot so yea
mossy zinc
Heightened Security is worse.
mossy zinc
I find with fists it's pretty easy to knock off though?
Malphon relies on stunlocking enemies for survival, DC2 prevents you from doing that right away. DC2 sucks on Malphon, it's better if you have Lightning Strike, though.
Also don't combine EM3 with FO2 on Malphon below 40 Heat unless you want to suffer unnecessarily.
Either EM2 FO2 or EM3 FO0.
dapper schooner
just get flood shot and rupture to solve FO2EM3
shy gulch
c o l d
f u s i o n
hoary pasture
next acorn
Cold fusion is a boon
gaunt fiber
true
next acorn
Yeah
gaunt fiber
yup
hoary pasture
bronze rapids
it's used in the routed 64 so it must be good
jaunty falcon
Isn’t it sold twice
cursive portal
Its mainly good for heroes fight so I think so
dapper schooner
does cold fusion proc on each god circle summon from theseus
bronze rapids
being sold is a use
flat flicker
is it tho
if im using zeus, i prob have a fast hitting aspect
like, for electric shot achilles i can see it for sure
but idk
feels like they get rejolted so fast anyway
that 400 bucks are a better option usually
quartz mantle
Also Theseus zoomin and shooting
mossy zinc
if im using zeus, i prob have a fast hitting aspect
His boons are good on any aspect, so no. And just because your aspect can hit fast doesn't mean you're hitting enemies that are Jolted all the time.
mossy zinc
Who said that.
quartz mantle
I mean the best Zeus boon for slow attacking weapons is like dash for applying jolted so like
flat flicker
Ah it would make sense there
jaunty falcon
Isn’t thunder dash meta for Arthur anyway
quartz mantle
If that’s your definition of good then alright
flat flicker
Not thinking it’s super helpful on eris
quartz mantle
Isn’t thunder dash meta for Arthur anyway
The meta for Arthur was not using Arthur
jaunty falcon
True
quartz mantle
Although I think Magnil did some actual Arthur stuff for 50 heat speedruns
mossy zinc
Man, the high heat community feels so toxic lately.
quartz mantle
Ok
But I honestly like the idea of Athena attack DR Arthur
20% chance to crit kinda schnasty
jaunty falcon
I’ve bashed heart rend so much these last few months that I picked it up and was surprised at how fun it was
Big numbers right off the bat is cool
That was also a hitless run that left aspho in 4:15
quartz mantle
DR + Mark is like semi big numbers more consistently
jaunty falcon
Battle rage crits on hestia
mossy zinc
Electric Shot, Thunder Dash, and Zeus' Aid are all pretty good on Excalibur since they can all unlock Smair. And Cold Fusion is quite nice with all of them, too. Plus Chill is great anyway, so might as well.
hoary pasture
quartz mantle
The big thing about cold fusion is that when enemies attack and proc jolted, they tend to get stunned, so they don’t really attack as often and therefore don’t subsequently proc jolted
You don’t really get a lot of mileage out of cold fusion in regular rooms but for boss fights it can do a lot
mossy zinc
Armored enemies and bosses don't get stunned.
quartz mantle
They do once you strip their armor
mossy zinc
Yes.
quartz mantle
So unless you’re fighting bruisers every chamber there’s not a lot of mileage to be gained from getting cold fusion
It’s not like it’s bad it’s just like
Not really worth forming your build around it
You’re better off going for double strike for Jolted support
Because that also opens Splitting and ya know
mossy zinc
No, I wouldn't start my run looking for a Cold Fusion build.
flat flicker
@quartz mantle at least it isn't 🐊
mossy zinc
<@!250404280392089601> at least it isn't 🐊
pure lily
I haven't touched the sword since I unlocked other weapons, it's def my least favorite, what aspect should I use for 32 heat? Nemesis? Or is a cast build with Poseidon Valid? I did a cast build with Achilles and it wasn't too bad TBH, though Poseidon is 100% weaker
hoary pasture
They are all valid
Nemesis is very strong
Poseidon and Arthur are fine too
Zag sword is weaker than the rest I would say
You can go for Merciful End on Nemesis
flat flicker
https://tenor.com/view/anime-baka-idiot-head-bang-gif-14364932
y u so mean
mossy zinc
Excalibur would be the easiest for 32 Heat if you avoid FO. Nemesis and Poseidon are more powerful, though.
flat flicker
flat flicker
harder to speedrun w concussion
gaunt fiber
be strong lando
flat flicker
aight I was joking around but if accusations of gaslighting are coming up, imma just not touch this one
cursive portal
You're not gaslighting me.
flat flicker
@gaunt fiber how you doin fam
gaunt fiber
kinda chill my dude
flat flicker
did you like aspect of slifer the sky dragon
flat flicker
gaunt fiber
did you like aspect of slifer the sky dragon
yeah that's p pog
gaunt fiber
clockets is hestia dw
flat flicker
Ok good
mossy zinc
Good, now do 40 Heat Hestia.
flat flicker
Probably later, i impulse bought the Witcher this weekend
pure lily
So use what I like the best it sounds like
honest kernel
whats that highest heat boonless has been beat on
mossy zinc
You can find that on the high heat leaderboard under Challenges.
Leaderboard is pinned.
gaunt fiber
Probably later, i impulse bought the Witcher this weekend
The first?
flat flicker
The first?
witcher 3
one of the cooler things of having not been a gamer for 2010-2020 is there's plenty of cool stuff to catch up on
pure lily
fantastic game
flat flicker
yeah, even though i cant purge aphro boons in it
flat flicker
Yeah I’ve played maybe five games
5-0 baby
my fifteen year old magic the gathering skill is applicable kinda
cursive portal
I would pay full price for gwent in witcher 3
I kinda did
A cool card game for free and a 60$ RPG
flat flicker
Does it help me level up
cursive portal
pure lily
Does it help me level up
No but there is one mission that has || a gwent tourny || and a good deck helps
Also if you're a completionest there are missable cards
mossy zinc
flat flicker
No but there is one mission that has || a gwent tourny || and a good deck helps ...
I am not even close to a completionist, I gotta beat 40 with hestia eventually
Eh, no I don’t but either way platinums are too much work
gaunt fiber
Hades is really lenient with that
Like there's not even one hard achievement
Are they achievements then
flat flicker
Like there's not even one hard achievement
max level all keepsakes is too much work lol
tho i made up my own goals for it that kept me playing
gaunt fiber
It's work yeah, but not hard
gaunt fiber
Yeah I don't have great memories about it, carrying dead weight basically. But tbh most keepsakes are cool so it's not that much of a grind if you play a bit of everything
bronze rapids
Play randomized kits to level up dud keepsakes
flat flicker
nah, i have a modded copy now where i loaded in a max save file for speedrun and heat pushing
idk maybe sometime ill try to do js3 and get the greater call in a god trial achievement on steam tho
gaunt fiber
Ah that one
For me it was Quick Favor and peepo sleep in a corner at the end of the trial
mossy zinc
Guan Yu and just walk on magma.
bronze rapids
Blade or drunk dash good too
lucid wave
Like there's not even one hard achievement
pierced butterfly
hardy garden
hestia
lucid wave
maybe i just suck
gaunt fiber
Pierced butterfly is the hardest
but with the right weapon and patience or practice, you'll get it in no time
flat flicker
Guan Yu and just walk on magma.
turns out loading the 100% save file
gave me the achievement
just not the greater call one
but the max all the keepsakes one
greater call, ill figure it out. may run some js3 em4s later for funsies
(em4 honestly isnt even as scary with guaranteed 2 sack)
honest kernel
gaun yu with LC4 
next acorn
GY with LC4 is fine
The spin heals through it as a bonus
Not like it does much anyways though
mossy zinc
Possibly the aspect that cares the least about LC4 tbh.
hardy garden
you die in one hit anyways and healing is kinda smol when you have no health
mossy zinc
50% when keeping your HP capped with Guan Yu + 15% from Stubborn Defiance is more than 30% x2 with just Stubborn Defiance.
next acorn
GY halves stubborn too?
mossy zinc
Relative to what you'd normally get, yes.
Since it halves your max HP.
30% of 50% is 15%.
bronze rapids
Is it the doom one
jaunty falcon
Yeah
hoary pasture
Ye
jaunty falcon
They seem seeded it’s unreal
hoary pasture
He resets hard yea
jaunty falcon
But ig that’s just constant grinding
hoary pasture
All of his 60s have some very good stuff
bronze rapids
yeah one of the vids they said it was 1k+ resets
mossy zinc
All of his 60s
The fact you can say that is kinda wild still lol.
jaunty falcon
Jeez
hoary pasture
One was frost strike twin perfect and the other was the dire misfortune special
mossy zinc
@daring hedge you're up. Don't be outdone.
jaunty falcon
Basically resetting for a hammer and a starting boon with AP2
hoary pasture
Also don’t take in a row literally
I just mean in one session
If I’m not mistaken
Still crazy tho
jaunty falcon
I do that but put on shackle and play non hammer reliant weps
bronze rapids
yeah ykc only plays Zeus lol
They have a playlist that's Zeus 50 with all the specials
hoary pasture
I think there was another with beo being a bit over 900 but yea
bronze rapids
yeah one of the vids they said it was 1k+ resets
^ Beo. 20 days, 1k resets
hoary pasture
I don’t get how they could grind for that long
bronze rapids
shrug
hoary pasture
Incredible dedication tbh
bronze rapids
from some descriptions it seems like they're still in school
hoary pasture
Maybe a bit later lol, there is one for Beo with all flares sub7 I think
And Pseudo did all flares 50
hoary pasture
Probably the worst one
I havent watched it so I have no clue what happened there
But it must be cursed
bronze rapids
get rod and just leave the casts on the floor
"since my Beo 60 I have 700+ hours in 60 heat"
that's more time than I spent playing the game
shy gulch
700+ hrs in 60 heat good lord
hoary pasture
That’s insane
cursive portal
just damue things
since the beo 60
keep in mind beo 60 is an extremely long grind
next acorn
Did you see the special only Rama one
The WHAT
Camel in shambles
Damue is insane tho
bronze rapids
it can mean since they started grinding the Beo
mossy zinc
Man, Malphon is bad.
next acorn
Fists got scammed 
mossy zinc
Kinda. Bad hidden aspect and all the weapons that were worse than Malphon got buffed.
daring hedge
I don't know if I have the patience or spare time to spend 700+ hours at 60 heat alone
Over 1k resets for one run is insane to me, I would not be able to handle that tier of grind
mossy zinc
Same lol.
next acorn
Talos got especially scammed
Just look at Poseidon to see how sad it is
And then look at Eris to see how sad both of them are
next acorn
ripe ermine
That 60 Demeter run is a thing of beauty. Just a perfect Elysium filled with unarmored chariots. And they didn’t even pop the Defiance against superdad. Mad respect.
bronze rapids
I'm telling ya, Chinese language has better seeds
jaunty falcon
I think I can recognise like every boon given the icon and numbers
Maybe I’ll try a run in Chinese
bronze rapids
I once played in Korean (which I can't read) while my friend who is fluent in Korean but has never played the game reads off the boons
Apparently Dio's core boons were "Wasted X"
flat flicker
Apparently Dio's core boons were "Wasted X"
This made me so happy
bronze rapids
-4hp when you????
"cast" is 2 characters, "attack" and "special" is 4 characters, then hover over the attack and special boon slots to match
dapper schooner
just guess which boon it is by the number displayed
bronze rapids
you can't tell the penalty by numbers though
mossy zinc
solar scroll
<@!196283299965042689> https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-1...
congrats, you didn't have to do it, I did not issue any challenge but congrats
mossy zinc
It's your turn now.
obsidian current
So happy to beat EM4 on my first try! Lucifer+triple+hermes/aphrodite special is insane
hoary pasture
Nice
bronze rapids
wot
hoary pasture
Crocodiles waiting for Lando
flat flicker
hoary pasture
looks like a croc
pure lily
for heat 40 should I take FO1 or jury summons 3?
hoary pasture
FO2 if you can
hardy garden
fo1 unless you want to time out
pure lily
or rountine inspection 1, JS1
hardy garden
well rama does fine with js3 compared to other aspects but js3 is a pretty bad 3 heat
hoary pasture
also that
hoary pasture
avoid Routine
pure lily
okay
hoary pasture
you can do AP1 on Rama
eternal hare
fo2 recommended
pure lily
2!?
hoary pasture
yea
shy plinth
hoary pasture
definitely
shy plinth
FO2 is an option even for 32
hoary pasture
https://i.imgur.com/vyQpImE.png
Yea on Rama swap JS for DC with this pact id say
shy plinth
Or eris
pure lily
Yeah I'm definitely doing damage control
It's basically free with rama
I am doing rama btw
eternal hare
it's still not quite free but it deals pretty well
shy plinth
It's manageable
hoary pasture
yea very manageable
hardy garden
hoary pasture
blocked
hardy garden
do it with artemis special build
hoary pasture
cursive portal
pure lily
no
hardy garden
yes
pure lily
ok
cursive portal
hoary pasture
hardy garden
15:27 goes down to sub 12
pure lily
well so I could take CF 2 and FO1 or FO2 and CF0
cursive portal
you start with doom and get relentless volley
then dire misfortune and impending doom
shy plinth
You should learn forced overtime
cursive portal
you can get to 700-800 damage
pure lily
I'd rather learn FO1 first than jump into 2
shy plinth
Sure
shy plinth
Do a 35 or something
pure lily
I've done 37
shy plinth
You don't have to go straight to 40
shy plinth
So do the 37 and then add fo1
hardy garden
id rather do cf1 js1 than cf2
shy plinth
Cf2 sux
pure lily
fair
mossy zinc
https://i.imgur.com/vyQpImE.png
There are two types of pacts: HS1 and HSC. This is an HSC pact.
shy plinth
What is HSC
mossy zinc
C stands for Coward.
pure lily
too hot
hoary pasture
I'm just gonna assume she's referring to the hades fight
shy plinth
HS on that fight can be quite... jarring
mossy zinc
They went through all of that trouble to re-record their lines.
And this is how you thank them.
hoary pasture
HS on that fight can be quite... jarring
shy plinth
And this is how you thank them.
I have made many a magma sacrifice to Amir and Greg
They know they're appreciated
hoary pasture
HS on that fight can be quite... jarring
Based on my icy flare attempts, this checks out
shy plinth
Darren is great enough for both of us
pure lily
It's weird when a thing has two different meanings based on it's location
hardy garden
HS on that fight can be quite... jarring
cursive portal
HS on that fight can be quite... jarring
Pffft
flat flicker
Zagreus in his duties as security director; we need heightened security
bronze rapids
Zagreus dying to a falling axe the next run: nevermind
dapper schooner
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/920797982566256660/H...
wot
how
dapper schooner
was quick favour zoos call doing more damage
hardy garden
how do i get patty to show up when im doing 50 heat
bronze rapids
dress up as achilles
hardy garden
massive brain
i dont even want patty for touch of styx at this point i just want the time save
js3 cp1 elysium with 0 free rooms = time out at champs
just need 30 more seconds
hardy garden
was quick favour zoos call doing more damage <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
massive damage
32 heat one
hardy garden
see artemis special confirmed op
hardy garden
more crits = more damage
mossy zinc
i can never tell zoos and athena call apart on the winscreen
Zeus' Aid is the yellow one.
mossy zinc
Yellow.
dapper schooner
so then theyre both yellow
mossy zinc
Hope that cleared things up for you.
dapper schooner
yeah thanks 👍
mossy zinc
flat flicker
yeah thanks 👍
It’s tough to tell but athena’s is closer to white than Zeus is. Pretty much need one on top of the other to really see it tho
next acorn
They look very similar
hardy garden
depends on the other heats
hardy garden
fo1 and cursed slash isnt a good combo
honest kernel
i can make it work
hardy garden
you can still face tank em4 with enough damage resistance and attack speed but in general i wouldnt rely on cursed slash
honest kernel
i just have to get lucky with aphro increased health boon and luck out on tons of centaur health
next acorn
how viable is curse slash, zag aspect
no
shy plinth
What heat do you normally clear
hardy garden
well then you wouldnt use cursed slash
honest kernel
What heat do you normally clear
hard labor em4, dc, JS
shy plinth
What level
honest kernel
and now im incoporating FO
honest kernel
What level
mostly 2s
shy plinth
2 heat?
shy plinth
Ah
honest kernel
yeaaa
shy plinth
Difficulty with increasing heat comes as the effects compound on each other
The more you add the more difficult it will be
honest kernel
nice
shy plinth
If you want to pick more difficult heats over easier ones then more power to you, but the combination you've chosen is atypical
shy plinth
I can assure you em4 is not free heat, but if you wanna do it you can do it
pseudo kernel
What
shy plinth
You also have a ton of enemies with JS
pseudo kernel
Retrash is the only person who can say em4 is free