damn that's so cursed
#h1-high-heat-strategies
gaunt fiber
Modded is an anti vorime or you seed first boon?
eternal hare
And deterministic first hammer
gaunt fiber
Epic doom dread flight
cursive portal
šæ
gaunt fiber
Then you let the rest of the boons carry you
cursive portal
Free dc1 pog
flat flicker
But I did 50 on that<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. and even then its only somewhat useable since it only has access to one special hammer. its basicially nothing compared to the superiority of chiron. the attack charges up way too slowly to be useable and shared suffering is a gimmick at best, it adds nothing to help pulling this aspect out of mediocrity. if youre lucky enough and get repluse shot you might - and I say MIGHT get the chance to actually get an attack off with this thing, and even then its simply not worth it. the attack speed is way too slow and the damage completly pales in comparison to actually fast hitting aspects like gilgamesh. its sad to say but supergiantgames design philosophy of making most hidden aspects basicially a slow and unusable version of their base weapon has backfired completly. first beowulf - now this. hidden aspects are supposed to be strong and rewarding for the sheer grind I had to go through to unlock them. I dont even know if I want to unlock hidden rail at this point
(was too good to not use)
gaunt fiber
This is beautiful
mossy zinc
@daring hedge in shambles.
daring hedge
The ride never ends 
cursive portal
š¾
gaunt fiber
Truly perfection
honest kernel
thx
cursive portal
Gilgnyaanesh
mossy zinc
No relation.
shy plinth
Someone say Gilgamesh???
quartz mantle
special only rama is unaruably the only way to make this trash weapon useable. a...
This is brilliant where's the source
mossy zinc
Toffel is the source.
cursive portal
Hate it here
mossy zinc
And she meant every word of it, presumably.
cursive portal
gaunt fiber
Hate it here
You don't like this cutie?
cursive portal
bronze rapids
ok but Repulse Shot Attack Only Rama monthly challenge
honest kernel
what was ur first
flat flicker
This is brilliant where's the source
Toffel on this discord
cursive portal
what was ur first
twin
gaunt fiber
Twin ofc
gaunt fiber
I won with this small gun
clever otter
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672607780087005216/798733229950631996/679...
do you have the source for that image?
gaunt fiber
But yeah I got the rocket launcher first
cursive portal
do you have the source for that image?
I dont 
clever otter
also, better to post it in #fan-works, of course 
cursive portal
yeah just wanted to meme
honest kernel
uh oh stinky...
bronze rapids
wait can Repulse Shot proc Sea Storm
gaunt fiber
Take cover, purple name
cursive portal
wait can Repulse Shot proc Sea Storm
rama's attack could proc breaking wave lol
was discovered during a hermes cup
I have no idea about repulse shot stuff
gaunt fiber
You mean repulse shot and bwave?
quartz mantle
Yea had to jump through a couple hoops for it but found it in the end
daring hedge
wait can Repulse Shot proc Sea Storm
It can't 
mossy zinc
It can if you believe!!! 
feral coral
I beat 40 heat woohoo
shy plinth
Nice!
feral coral
I had a heroic PP and Battle rage which felt really nice
flat flicker
based
craggy pendant
Considering making my first attempt of 32 heat tonight
Is there a consensus on which mirror talents to take and which pacts of punishments are the least difficult to work around?
flat flicker
Is there a consensus on which mirror talents to take and which pacts of punishme...
Yeah, type nyaanyaa 32 heat guide into search thatāll give u the tldr
craggy pendant
Got it, thanks 
flat flicker
Got five sacked and didnāt die had 1 hp right before last tunnel room 
then dad owned me@
quartz mantle
š
bronze rapids
flat flicker
cries in console
grim tusk
Just got 32!!
left prism
Nice
shy plinth
Well done
bronze rapids
*cries in console*
It's just preparing you for unseeded WRs :D
flat flicker
It's just preparing you for unseeded WRs :D
i need to just get paid, do christmas shopping then buy a damn pc copy already lol
like i can do 40 if i know ill get a two sack
eternal hare
what if you have a 54% chance of a 2-sack
i think that's good enough for you to do a 40 right now
left prism
Just give nectar to for that 2 sack
dapper schooner
what aspects are good on non EM4 50 heat (RI1/2 AP1 stuff)
eris becomes less good when it loses its thing of kill enemies before they can kill you thanks to bad build
hardy garden
what aspects are good on non EM4 50 heat (RI1/2 AP1 stuff)
hestia, beo, rama, and zeus are the big high heat aspects
dapper schooner
ig zoos for me then cause im not good with hestia and rama
hardy garden
tbh its generally harder to use
bronze rapids
Lightning Eris can go to 60
hardy garden
just get the boons
hardy garden
what did
bronze rapids
hardy garden
ig zoos for me then cause im not good with hestia and rama
well id prolly like do some more 45 and 40 heat first
eternal hare
nah go straight to 50 so that they are potentially something you can submit to the speed boards
best reason
dapper schooner
tbh i can submit even a 25 min igt run as an anyheat speedrun
i dont think theres any rules against that
eternal hare
also true
gaunt fiber
Is there a consensus on which mirror talents to take and which pacts of punishme...
Pinned guide for heat settings, there's also a video and a heat chart from Schad
silk vortex
Got the source https://twitter.com/h0lysarthole/status/1328824763222011904?s=20
Oooh I love the art style!
finite cliff
What constitutes high heat? I'm struggling with 15 at the moment.
clever otter
people in this channel usually discuss upwards of 32, usually even upwards of 40 - but youre free to ask for advice here!
ripe ermine
What pacts are you taking? Some are a lot worse than others and some are deceptively hard
flat flicker
What constitutes high heat? I'm struggling with 15 at the moment.
32, but for 16 you should take mm uc td2 em2 bp1
and up from there. If you can do td3 and EM3 thatās 16 right there
finite cliff
32, but for 16 you should take mm uc td2 em2 bp1
Thank you. I'll definitely use this.
undone tartan
32, but for 16 you should take mm uc td2 em2 bp1
Or do TD3 if you find it to be free
flat flicker
struggling with 16 means td3 prob not quite free yet, but yea, git gud at td3
if u wanna push heat
mossy zinc
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/9208370560144...
You linked to a link to a link. 
flat flicker
Too many Dionysus boons after closing a big deal at work sorry about myself
mossy zinc
Inconceivable.
flat flicker
heeeeey lando man itās December in sales and that just clinched getting approved to move to Denver, how about the good stuff yeah?
bought myself a pc copy to mod so I can push heat with less resets
bronze rapids
You linked to a link to a link. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
Linkception
flat flicker
dapper schooner
<:dionysus:892764875225460817>
why does this exist
bronze rapids
Because dionySus
undone tartan
Do you think anyone has done an EM4 RI4 FO2 HL5 LC4 run? Doesnāt matter if there were more conditions than that.
That 33 heat pact is harder than your average 50 heat pact
hoary pasture
Do you think anyone has done an EM4 RI4 FO2 HL5 LC4 run? Doesnāt matter if there...
Baj routed 64
eternal hare
Not that I'm aware
undone tartan
Damn
quartz mantle
TD0 pact š
undone tartan
Sure, time isnāt the focus of the pact
undone tartan
I guess if itās TD0 then it could be cheesed
Like I bet you could do Beo in the corner with vengeful mood and just wait it out if you position your block just right
undone tartan
I want the right balance of not being able to cheese it but also not having to worry about good room RNG because mirrorless EM4 TD3 might be kinda tight, especially if youāre trying to be super careful due to LC4 HL5
undone tartan
EM4 isn't fun, so I've no interest in that.
Fair. Do you know if itās ever been done though?
mossy zinc
Would be on the mirrorless leaderboard most likely.
undone tartan
Is that a section of the high heat leaderboard?
mossy zinc
It's a category on it, yes.
undone tartan
Ok cool, Iāll check
mossy zinc
There isn't any like that on the leaderboard.
undone tartan
Yeah didnāt look like it
So itās perhaps never been done
Might be a fun challenge for someone other than me to do
mossy zinc
One dash EM4 is impossible
One of the reasons I really don't like EM4. Terrible balance.
undone tartan
I donāt like EM4 either
Well, itās fun casually
But if itās actually hard then itās just not fun for me
mossy zinc
Well, itās fun casually
If you're not playing melee, I guess.
undone tartan
Plus it is unfair to the point where most people suggest fighting him in a specific spot to avoid being sniped from offscreen
mossy zinc
Yup lol.
undone tartan
Also miniboss RNG
eternal hare
I like the fight
hoary pasture
Plus it is unfair to the point where most people suggest fighting him in a speci...
Too relatable sometimes
gaunt fiber
One of the reasons I really don't like EM4. Terrible balance.
I like the fight but I sure need my dashes. What's paining me is the difference between aspects at dealing with it. Malphon is is super dynamic but god that's just super hard. Meanwhile Beowulf goes bonk
mossy zinc
Cerberus summon is also just a dumb attack.
hoary pasture
Imagine if hades had fiery or shadow presence
honest kernel
I rly dislike the fight
gaunt fiber
Imagine if hades had fiery or shadow presence
Never show your back to your enemy 
gaunt fiber
I rly dislike the fight
Do you like the normal one? I find it boring after the EM4 practice
honest kernel
not rly
undone tartan
I love normal Hades
left prism
Imagine if hades had fiery or shadow presence
Use the keepsake that gives you dmg reduction on front but extra dmg on backstabs
undone tartan
My favorite fight in the game
hoary pasture
lol
honest kernel
but I like em4 less than the normal one
hoary pasture
imagine you get petrified by a gorgon head and take a spear to the back of the head
cursive portal
myrmiddon goddamm bracer
gaunt fiber
Yeah I see
undone tartan
Imo, the ranking of fights in this game is:
Hades
EM Champions
Champions
EM Furies
Charon
Furies
EM Hades
Lernie
EM Lernie
Tiny Vermin
mossy zinc
Normal Hades fight is nicely balanced.
hoary pasture
You like ranking stuff too much
mossy zinc
Tiny Vermin is fun.
undone tartan
You like ranking stuff too much <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Itās fun
gaunt fiber
But EM Hades is so thrilling
hoary pasture
should rank the rooms next
honest kernel
death!
undone tartan
Tiny Vermin is fun.
I hate the fight. Nothing fun about it at all
undone tartan
should rank the rooms next
Iāve literally considered it
mossy zinc
Git gud.
undone tartan
I didnāt say I think itās hard
I think itās boring if anything
And annoying
mossy zinc
Git gud.
quartz mantle
But EM Hades is so thrilling
Unseen Ones starts blaring
quartz mantle
I play EM4 so I can turn the music on max at phase 3
mossy zinc
UnholyPancake scawed of a teeny tiny vewmin.
gaunt fiber
I think I almost got a heart attack twice
undone tartan
Iāve been listen to other music while playing so I hear it less
I put on Gael theme from DS3 before my last EM4 practice fight and every phase change in the song matched up with Hades phase changes, and the fight and song ended at the same time.
It was a long fight, my damage sucked
undone tartan
UnholyPancake scawed of a teeny tiny vewmin.
Not scared of, just irritated by
mossy zinc
I rly dislike the fight
Is this why you're not doing 52?
honest kernel
:)
gaunt fiber
motivation to run heat again mostly
Unseeded's toll sure is high
honest kernel
if I do 55 again its gonna be modded because oh boy im not motivated for ap2 again
mossy zinc
if I do 55 again its gonna be modded because oh boy im not motivated for ap2 aga...
But that won't count for beating my 51. 
honest kernel
keep in mind that I only lost 55 because I got explosive+repulse from hammers and timed out on hades
well too bad for you I guess
mossy zinc
I just do EM4 pacts with Beowulf and go up 1 in Heat each time now. That's kinda the only thing I've been doing in Hades the last few months.
m at 39 now, I think?
gaunt fiber
Can't you just
Shackle Rama and see what happens
Just so AP2 does not really exist for you
If it's normal dad, you'll get your clear in no time
gaunt fiber
Someone that would not want to reset
undone tartan
What monster would start Shackle instead of <:courte5EternalRose:851568354535800...
Someone running AP2 RI2
mossy zinc
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
gaunt fiber
Rama is probably strong enough
mossy zinc
eternal hare
Shackle good
gaunt fiber
Shackle AP2, comfy run
eternal hare
I'd still reset for aphrodite anyway if not streaking
gaunt fiber
Just don't die
mossy zinc
Y no embed.
gaunt fiber
Sayonara crocodiles
mossy zinc
They're not sayonara crocodiles, they're sacred crocodiles.
gaunt fiber
Sayonara, sacred crocodiles
cursive portal
What eats crocodiles again
undone tartan
Has anyone done a hitless dashless (youāre allowed to dash over required Styx gaps but only after the enemies are dead) run?
undone tartan
What eats crocodiles again
Floridians?
cursive portal
No lol
mossy zinc
Ha.
cursive portal
Hitless dashless doesnt sound likely
gaunt fiber
What eats crocodiles again
Rocks
cursive portal
I've done hell mode in 1 hit tho
mossy zinc
Has anyone done a hitless dashless (youāre allowed to dash over required Styx ga...
People typically do categories that sound fun.
hoary pasture
Sounds impossible tbh
undone tartan
People typically do categories that sound fun.
hoary pasture
maybe not impossible but its pretty bad
undone tartan
Sounds impossible tbh
Extra move speed though
Greater Haste tech
Idk would definitely be interesting to see
But probably miserable to run
undone tartan
No blocking allowed for hitless
gaunt fiber
Lmao
undone tartan
According to the rules of the Team Hitless server at least
undone tartan
Wym
gaunt fiber
Well
undone tartan
Hades is definitely a supported category on Team Hitless
Probably not particularly active though
gaunt fiber
Boonless is much more popular than hitless and not really ran right. Even on the rule set, people don't agree on everything
Like have you ever watched a hitless Hades run
gaunt fiber
The crocodiles got blocked
undone tartan
I would not
mossy zinc
They didn't get blocked, they were just on strike again.
gaunt fiber
Sacred blockodiles yes
mossy zinc
But scroll up.
flat flicker
lol you called him scawedy pancake
flat flicker
š±ļø
flat flicker
i thought if it's outside its a rat and inside it's a mouse
mossy zinc
Rat: will kill you
Mouse: will sue you
mossy zinc
Don't be mean.
undone tartan
LMAO thatās where it crosses the line for you Nyaa?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
His name isn't pancake rat.
Just because he drags unholy pancakes downstairs by his fangs back to where they came from doesn't mean he wants to be called that.
undone tartan
Oh I see
flat flicker
cursive portal
its ratsoclock
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776827374825373697/921103623784652810/unk...
Pictured here: @undone tartan fighting the Tiny Vermin.
quartz mantle
Tony just has the problem of being the epitome of visibility issues with many many different particle effects and having to deal with a very small rat
Maybe nyaanyaa is used to always having a pink circle around the tiny bastard that itās not very hard to find it
mossy zinc
I can see the frames.
gaunt fiber
It's a tiny rat
Moves a bit much, tiring
I think people deal with it as small rat and overlooks its attacks, which lead them to getting hit
gaunt fiber
Oh poor dude
undone tartan
Someone on another server is already practicing hitless dashless
undone tartan
Hitless mono dash is easy probably
eternal hare
If it's so easy let's see you do it šļø
undone tartan
Iāll get there
Right now Iām working on a SL1 Dark Souls 3 run and also on maxing out my Hades file. Once I get my mirror to where it needs to be, Iāll go back to hitless attempts. Iāve gotten pretty close in the past, so I bet if I put a week or so into it, I should get it. Then weāll see about restrictions
undone tartan
But also Iām not gonna just grind Hades because Iāll go insane. Iāll probably also be working on another game at the same time so I can take breaks
undone tartan
play Returnal
Iāll look into it
undone tartan
What genre is it?
flat flicker
Yeah, I elaborated in video games channel because I donāt wanna be the reason the croc strike ends
mossy zinc
What genre is it?
The genre is not-hades-high-heat-strategies.
flat flicker
To be fair, it feels like high heat hades 
but I know the crocs are on strike and elaborated in the other channel
mossy zinc
They were on strike, not anymore.
Footage from earlier: https://i.imgur.com/5J5rmqg.mp4
flat flicker
Modding is super based
hoary pasture
Try the onion mod
next acorn
Tony just has the problem of being the epitome of visibility issues with many ma...
I pause a lot during the fight, that helps
undone tartan
How exactly does priority work? I know boons like static discharge have half priority which means thereās a 50% chance they are guaranteed to show up as an option. And I know that core boons apparently have full priority. Does that mean thereās always gonna be exactly one core boon thatās guaranteed to show up (if possible ofc), and any remaining core boons beyond that just have normal odds?
quartz mantle
When you have no core boons you're guaranteed to see 3 core boons on your next boon, this doesn't have an affect on rerolling. After that you're only guaranteed to see one core boon per boon pickup, which has a 1/10 in being a replacement, and a 50% chance to be guaranteed to see status curse boons like Jolted or Mark
Once all core spots are filled you only have the 1/10 chance of replacement to see a guaranteed core boon
hardy garden
from nyaa:
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
quartz mantle
That is a more detailed breakdown of how boon rewards are chosen
something to note here is that opening potential tier 2s does not lower your chance for legendaries or duos
so like taking Slicing Shot while trying to build for ME for example won't lower your chances of finding ME, just lowers your chances of finding Impending Doom
mossy zinc
something to note here is that opening potential tier 2s does not lower your cha...
Unless the t2 boons are Hunter's Mark etc.
Keep in mind this only really matters if none of the offers are something you really care for because any other time you generally just wanna take the boon that will help you the most now.
pseudo flame
quick question
if i have 3 priority boon, what's the % that I would get the last priority boon for the next boon?
"(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,"
this sounds like 100%?
mossy zinc
90% chance.
10% chance it's an exchange instead.
Well, there's still a low chance it's one of the other offers if you got the exchange.
pseudo flame
then, if i want all 3 slots rolling duo
i prolly need to have all 4 priority boon and the 50% tier 2 status boon, right?
i guess, if some god boon did not have status boon i would just wanna fill out all 4 priority boon asap
mossy zinc
You can't get three t3 offers if you have open priority slots, yeah. Don't necessarily need the t2 status curses.
pseudo flame
but (4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
i thought the slot would try roll for a status curse first, and if fails, it goes for the legendary/duo roll next
mossy zinc
Yes.
But that's not guaranteed to take up a slot. Only a 50% chance.
But if your priority slots aren't filled, those will 100% take up a slot.
pseudo flame
actually, let me rephrase a bit
mossy zinc
If they're all filled, it's only a 10% chance for an exchange, so it's not too bad.
But getting 3 t3 offers doesn't really do anything for you anyway since you can only pick one lol.
pseudo flame
if i want duo but gets a boon which offers status boon, should i just take it?
mossy zinc
Just good if all three are good offers because it'll help your chances of getting a good t3.
pseudo flame
or it will just make the next boon 50% offering the status again?
if i did not take it
mossy zinc
No. Like I said earlier, you should pretty much always go with what's best for your build right now.
So if you're taking the t2 curse only to have a better chance at a Duo Boon... you probably shouldn't do it unless the other boons aren't really helpful either.
If the t2 curse and another boon are about equally good, then taking the t2 curse can help you get the Duo Boon faster/more reliably... but on the other hand, you could also take the other one first because the t2 curse has a good chance of showing up again, while you might not see the other boon again that was good.
Like say Breaking Wave vs Razor Shoals is not always a clear decision.
Unless you only care about boss damage, I guess, because Breaking Wave doesn't really do anything for that.
But then you might say... epic Wave Pounding vs epic Razor Shoals.
Both great options if you have Tidal Dash, for example. So you could say that Razor Shoals is better because it well help your chances to get some Duo Boon, but you could also say that Wave Pounding is the better pick because it's a better chance to see Razor Shoals and the Duo Boon later... things like that.
Just gotta decide for yourself in those situations what you'd rather go for.
pseudo flame
i see. thx š
flat flicker
just use ap2, donāt need to make decisions
bronze rapids
just use ap2, donāt need to make decisions
There's still "to reroll or not to reroll" until you take RI
eternal hare
but then you pick up keys and now you have that choice again
dapper schooner
just use ap2, donāt need to make decisions
you can make the decision to reset the run after you get an unrollable icy flare replacement on your pass flare 50 heat beo
flat flicker
you can make the decision to reset the run after you get an unrollable icy flare...
that is unfortunate
next acorn
@hoary pasture do you see this icy flare slander?
mossy zinc
Chamber 34 unarmored Strongbows still have 1 more wave than they should have.
next acorn
Chamber 34 unarmored still have 1 more wave than they should have
dapper schooner
elysium has 1 more chamber than it should have.
flat flicker
Take Erebus before endshop then itāll be two and feel weird
next acorn
elysium has 11 more chambers than it should have
undone tartan
JS3 Chamber 34 is borderline unfair
next acorn
š
hoary pasture
It is
cursive portal
Mike good 
pseudo kernel
mike is gamer?
quartz mantle
Always has been
mild pivot
undone tartan
Interestingly, flaring spin actually looks to be a very good option for hitless Guan Yu
Itās a very consistent way to deal with tiny rat rooms
Which are by a mile the hardest part of hitless
Edit: I no longer believe this, at least not to the degree that I did at the time
cursive portal
Cope harder
You're just gonna take soooo much more time
To kill anything
Without cskewer
undone tartan
Itās a bad hammer in general, but itās very consistently effective at dealing with tiny rats which is definitely worth noting Imo
Iām not saying I take it over CSkewer
Iām just saying that itās actually a really good second hammer if youāre terrified of tiny rats
Which I am, at least for my hitless attempts
Inb4 Nyaa makes a joke about how Iām afraid of a tiny rat
mossy zinc
Sounds like a good strategy to me.
gaunt fiber
It's not that bad
If you shred the armor, you'll be able to spin in safer way
I paired it with Athena's aid once and it was pretty cool
It was 50 heat so I died of course but still, neat combo
undone tartan
Guan Yu is still worst than Hestia for hitless imo
But if you want to do Guan Yu hitless, thatās worth looking out for
mossy zinc
Inb4 Nyaa makes a joke about how Iām afraid of a tiny rat <:dusa:522248771409543...
They're not jokes.
flat flicker
mossy zinc
Bruh.
gaunt fiber
<:Waluigi_Riding_A_Rat:783081322821451847>
Lmao
flat flicker
I am getting my $5 worth from nitro
cursive portal
Which are by a mile the hardest part of hitless
Edit: I no longer believe this, ...
Why did I start doing attempts
This sucks
Honestly think no hit hell mode hestia is easier than trying to do guan yu normal mode
@undone tartan got to ch34 without getting hit lol
cursive portal
Did you take plume for max dodge chance or something useful <:shadesmile:5204479...
dodge isnt allowed
plain parcel
Blimey!!
compact yew
is rng manipulation needed in order to clear the game with high heat ?
shy plinth
No
compact yew
I see
quartz mantle
<:Waluigi_Riding_A_Rat:783081322821451847>
Thatās art
bronze rapids
is rng manipulation needed in order to clear the game with high heat ?
as of now, only for 64 heat. Unseeded record is 62
outer tartan
What 2 heat is missing out of curiosity?
bronze rapids
RI4. Turns off Stubborn Defiance, meaning that the only healing you can get is centaur hearts and darkness
outer tartan
makes sense
bronze rapids
Inb4 someone does RI4 CF1 63 heat
bronze rapids
what would be better, CF1? JS2? CP1?
bronze rapids
LC3 healing is tear-jerking
bronze rapids
brought to you by my rando experience
yeah also CP1 means you spend less quality time with HL5 FO2 EM Dad
If you get epic Stornk Dronk it can make LC3 marginally bearable
or hit Stubborn Roots through AP2
flat flicker
stonks drank
cursive portal
Definitely CP1
undone tartan
Honestly think no hit hell mode hestia is easier than trying to do guan yu norma...
Probably, yes
undone tartan
Both would help, yeah
cursive portal
I had epic special speed in the 2 hit run
Got kinda unlucky with ch34, but heroes are really difficult on this
fathom birch
double overtime snake stones... with the bow... how do you guys deal with it
undone tartan
what would be better, CF1? JS2? CP1?
Definitely definitely not CF1
undone tartan
double overtime snake stones... with the bow... how do you guys deal with it
Get behind them
fathom birch
I mean I sure tried but they were double speed and had the buff with extra speed so basically they had aimed another attack by the time i got there
undone tartan
Iāve never had trouble with speeder snakestones on Rama
And if itās a faster bow then it definitely shouldnāt be an issue
fathom birch
hmm I dunno then
prime lintel
get in really close then dash to behind them is what i usually do
styx rooms are pretty small so it's pretty easy to do that in 2 dashes
fathom birch
i was more having trouble because they were on opposite sides or because they were over the pit in the big rooms
honest kernel
bp2 snakestones in big rooms are def a bit stinky
either kill them asap first or get out of their range
undone tartan
Oh in big rooms?
I forgot those exist
Because thereās a less than 25% chance I have to see one in a run
honest kernel
yeah I dont see them super often
outer tartan
Are there any good 32 heat guides out there? I checked the pins but expecting new players to do 100% hard labor with little health and 5 minute tight deadline seems insane to me
gaunt fiber
Wow lmao
cursive portal
Wait wa
gaunt fiber
32 heat is supposed to be hard, a real step to achieve
undone tartan
Weāre not āexpecting new playersā to do anything. If you want to do 32 heat, you need to be willing to use 32 heat worth of conditions on the pact
gaunt fiber
^
outer tartan
Well yea, but it just seems like there are way better options. Just trying to find one that suits my playstyle more. Taking double damage with low heath is just not working for me lol
undone tartan
The pacts that are listed are there for a reason. If you think itās easier to do RI3 AP2 instead of TD3 HL5, you can do that I guess. But weāre not gonna recommend it.
gaunt fiber
I mean if you think you know better than people here sure
outer tartan
I never said that?
cursive portal
The pact seems very intimidating when you're still inexperienced
gaunt fiber
"is there a good guide" and it seems they are better options"
outer tartan
I definitely can't do a 5 minute TD. So just looking for alternatives
gaunt fiber
You can
ashen garnet
Well, first things first : what is your playstyle and which aspect do you feel the most comfortable with?
hoary pasture
It's supposed to be somewhat challenging
gaunt fiber
If you can't, just try again. It's a matter of practice. 32 heat is hard and the heat from TD really is nice to have
outer tartan
I've been using the hestia, had the most success with that combined with sysphus keepsake
undone tartan
I definitely can't do a 5 minute TD. So just looking for alternatives
You can. It just takes some practice. TD3 is much easier than, say, JS3
undone tartan
I've been using the hestia, had the most success with that combined with sysphus...
Well thereās part of your issue
Why are you using Shackle start for 32?
hoary pasture
Carrying Shackle for Heroes and Hades can be really tough
undone tartan
Get heartbreak strike so you can both do more damage and have keepsake freedom for the whole run.
gaunt fiber
If you're afraid of HL and LC, you can lower the numbers here. 32 is flexible
cursive portal
Start with tidal dash
undone tartan
Iād definitely suggest LC4 for 32
gaunt fiber
Same
But it might be easier for someone who does not plan to push after to avoid it partially
outer tartan
Having low health means you can't make as many mistakes though
It seems counter intuitve
gaunt fiber
Stubborn defiance means your bossing has to be somewhat cleaner
undone tartan
You can literally die in every single room
gaunt fiber
And there's acorn for heroes/dad
undone tartan
But yes, bossfights do need to be cleaner. But you can also get DDs from Athena
gaunt fiber
It's okay not to succeed right away too
next acorn
removing your mirror seems counter intuitive
outer tartan
Yea, I think it's the bosses that I have the most trouble with but I'll keep practicing with LC4
undone tartan
Definitely definitely donāt use RI
gaunt fiber
If you record your runs feel free to post it for advice
32 is all about refining your general gameplay and build knowledge
outer tartan
Will do appreciate it.
undone tartan
How do you feel about Rocket Bomb on Hestia as a first hammer? Better or worse than Piercing Fire or Ricochet Fire? (Definitely worse than Hazard Bomb)
mossy zinc
Just take whatever hammer's working best for you.
eternal hare
better
i like rocket 1st more than the other two
it opens you up to better options for lategame scaling and allows your special usage to flow significantly better with your attack + reload rhythms
mossy zinc
Same. Definitely a lot better than Piercing Fire for me. Ricochet is always nice though and probably my pick if I don't want to think that run.
eternal hare
it is also aoe
undone tartan
Ok interesting
shy plinth
For the record, it looks like your first 16 clear was a few days ago - the jump from 16 to 32 is really significant and you should expect that to take some time and be demanding at first
I strongly recommend watching vods in the pinned leaderboard sheet for the weapon you want to play
Watch what really good players do to learn techniques and understand what you might be missing
eternal hare
shameless plug for my 50-heat hestia speedrun wr on a 3-sack
shy plinth
That sounds like an excellent watch lol
Your 16 heat clear had both RI1 and AP1 and let me tell you that those are extremely punishing pacts
TD3 will feel impossible because you are taking pacts that result in you not doing any damage
Nyaanyaa's 32 heat pact is tried and true but requires practice and adaptation
jaunty falcon
Going back to unmodded after playing guaranteed rocket hestia is sad
Groups of 3 wringers just take ages to kill
stuck crater
are chaos gates worth it at 32 heat?
cursive portal
absolutely
stuck crater
really? health just feels so so valuable
cursive portal
if you're not on AP2, they're definitely worth it
cursive portal
really? health just feels so so valuable
really isnt if you heal through stubborn defiance
stuck crater
but that only heals you up to 30%. i guess i'm not really used to 32 heat yet
hoary pasture
Well itās gonna be the most reliable way to heal at 32 Heat, where itās heavily recommended you take LC4
It takes some getting used to
And requires good bossing overall due to the small health pool
honest kernel
if you can heal up to 30% every room chaos really doesnt hurt
hoary pasture
But itās worth
stuck crater
should i prioritize centaur hearts then? just started trying 32 heat runs today
honest kernel
hearts are very important yea
but resources can depend on the situation, sometimes you want a pom really badly
im usually shying away from money but it can be ok if its enough to buy a boon from midshop
shy plinth
Lc4 makes chaos gates easier I think
hoary pasture
Yea Money is also nice when you have CF0
cursive portal
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undone tartan
really? health just feels so so valuable
Not with SD itās not
Chaos gates range from pretty good to insanely important depending on the aspect.
With Beowulf, a good chaos boon can make the run
With Eris, the best you can really look for is more health (plus a free room which can be nice for time although time isnāt really gonna be an issue for Eris at 32), but the cost is still very minor
cursive portal
With Beowulf, a good chaos boon can make the run
true dat
the +1 cast was in late tart
undone tartan
I donāt really consider skipping chaos (other than for patty) until much higher heat where I may be forced to take curses that are debilitating due to AP2
shy plinth
I consider it if I had a weak tart and the gate is chamber 11
stuck crater
time is definitely an issue for me no matter what now haha
not at all used to 5 minutes
hoary pasture
What aspect are you playing
stuck crater
hestia
eternal hare
has a pretty good selection of good chaos boons but needs none of them to clear well
undone tartan
Attack, dash strike, special (depending on hammers), and health are all very good for Hestia. But yeah as Ocaml said theyāre not critically important
They can be very nice to have though
stuck crater
ah, another question i had then was about keepsakes
i've been taking boon related keepsakes early, but then i'm not sure what to take
i usually take spiked collar second
eternal hare
there will usually be at least one god you would like more of, or to force into your pool after tartarus
undone tartan
For Hestia:
Aphrodite keepsake -> Athena Keepsake -> Acorn -> Acorn
Divine Dash or Phalanx Shot are very nice to have
And open you up to get extra DDs
Which make a world of difference
stuck crater
oh, i've been going ares, because i like doom
but aphrodite sounds good for raw damage
eternal hare
doom is very much not ideal with hestia haha
undone tartan
It does 150 base damage
undone tartan
Adding doom to that isā¦. Incredibly bad
eternal hare
ares still has some use though
honest kernel
athena is a good general pick for aspho if you dont need anythin else
eternal hare
battle rage is notably quite good with hestia
undone tartan
Not if the base damage is 150
honest kernel
hmmm the opposite actually I'd say?
undone tartan
If you have super high base damage you want a % boon
honest kernel
you want big percentage dmg on slow attacks and status curses on fast attacks to apply them fast
undone tartan
Status curses are good for low base damage because adding 50% damage to an attack with 10 base damage does very little. Hestia empowered shot does 150 base damage which is a ton. Adding 50% to that (common heartbreak flourish) does more than adding 50 doom (common curse of agony) in 100% of situations
Well, I guess except ME. But donāt do ME Hestia
shy plinth
Also if you're just starting 32 post your pact
cursive portal
Just forget about the Hestia gimmick and play ZAP
you know thats the current rowo wr
4x zeus attack by wmic
cursive portal
I hate that fact
undone tartan
Also if you're just starting 32 post your pact
Yeah a good pact goes a long way.
hoary pasture
And the times are so good too
stuck crater
can i look at my pact in run?
eternal hare
yeah if you open your boon info it's at the top
stuck crater
ah, i can't post pictures i don't think
hoary pasture
You can post it elsewhere and link it here
stuck crater
hoary pasture
Looks fine, going down to CF1 can be quite comfy but itās okay, but you should build your Hestia differently
The others mentioned it multiple times, Doom on your attack isnāt that good because itās a slow big chunk so you want % dmg to scale it better, Aphrodite gives you that +weak which can also help
stuck crater
yeah, i realize that now. i just thought that because doom proc'd slowly applying it slowly was optimal
but that is apparently definitely not the case lol
cursive portal
turn priv status off
stuck crater
i don't really "get" dash builds
hoary pasture
I would also recommend Fiery Presence
cursive portal
i don't really "get" dash builds
its not a dash build
your main damage source is still the attack
the dash is there for room clear
eternal hare
yeah it's a damage supplement
hoary pasture
Hestia can be slightly slower against smaller enemies, like numbskulls and what not, your dash can take care of those, and it can also take care of brimstones and witches so you donāt have to constantly reload and waste shots on them
eternal hare
it is a way for you to get damage while reloading
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/921527455498510426/unknown.png?width=1202&height=676 imagine this, but tidal dash for the majority of the run before it got replaced in styx
shy plinth
Pact solid, fam fave much better than priv status
mossy zinc
Tidal Dash start is not good for somebody trying to do their first 32 Heat.
hoary pasture
CF1 pretty pog
stuck crater
really? privileged status felt pretty easy to proc and i thought it did more damage
shy plinth
Fam fave gives you damage right away
And you just don't have to worry about taking poopy debuffs
eternal hare
you def don't need to start tidal dash but it's a nice pickup along the way
if you happen to run into it
hoary pasture
Tidal Dash start is not good for somebody trying to do their first 32 Heat.
Weāre assuming theyāre not starting with it due to Ares keepsake
shy plinth
Hestia wants to one hit
mossy zinc
Take Family Favorite. You want enemies to be dead long before you get a chance to proc Privileged Status.
shy plinth
Can't apply debuffs to something dead
mossy zinc
Start Heartbreak Strike for easy Weak, maybe an early Life Affirmation etc.
Owl Pendant in Asphodel for Divine Dash, although if you see Tidal Dash before that, it's definitely worth taking.
shy plinth
It's kinda nice to know that every run has a possibility for smoldering air
mossy zinc
Also do Fiery Presence on Hestia.
Try to get lots of Attack and Dash-Strike from Master Chaos. HP is also great, and Special damage is always nice.
stuck crater
thanks for all the advice guys!
mossy zinc
m not a guy.
And swap HL2 FO1 for HL5 FO0. You'll have a much easier time running circles around enemies and not taking any damage.
And for the times you take some damage, you'll have Weak and Divine Dash.
shy plinth
(i like FO but nyaanyaa is probably right)
mossy zinc
You could do 32 Heat with HL5 FO2 pretty easily, this doesn't apply to you.
shy plinth
That is questionably true!
shy plinth
I can def do hl1 fo2 tho
mossy zinc
I like HS for players who've been playing with HS for a decent amount of time.
But players who haven't don't know where the traps are because they do like 5 damage so who cares.
undone tartan
Iāve been playing with HS for a decent amount of time and I still think itās a very scary pact condition
bronze rapids
But players who haven't don't know where the traps are because they do like 5 da...
red number still nasty
in Asphodel, the traps know you.
flat flicker
But players who haven't don't know where the traps are because they do like 5 da...
I feel called out
Iām not ready for em2 to be scary again
bronze rapids
FO2 HS EM2 š
shy plinth
What's your pact/what weapon
The boss fights def take adjustment, all about taking your time and not face-tanking him
mossy zinc
Probably nothing really to change. If you're getting to Hades, you're getting close. 
Just gotta get a bit more practice and confidence in the fight.
fathom birch
JUST beat him
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
fathom birch
thankkss
hoary pasture
Olympian Favor says it all
flat flicker
undone tartan
Using Olympian favor at 32 heat is automatically as hard as a good 38 heat pact
undone tartan
Would you consider Ice Wine to be an active hinderance more than a benefit for Trippy Flare?
Due to the delay
jaunty falcon
Yes
undone tartan
Do you think the delay is a bug or is it intended?
dapper schooner
Would you consider Ice Wine to be an active hinderance more than a benefit for T...
yeah
its only 30% so not worth the delay imo
cursive portal
Bad on flare, good on shot
undone tartan
Yeah doesnāt it actually make the normal cast faster?
cursive portal
Do you think the delay is a bug or is it intended?
Idk man as someone who knows like a billion beo bugs
I would not be surprised
eternal hare
I think it's intended
flat flicker
Eh I mean snow burst more valuable but ice wine pretty fun particularly on Achilles spear
Itās not the best but like snapping your finger and a bomb goes off just feels satisfying to use
undone tartan
Iām not talking about Achilles Iām talking about trippy flare on Hera or Beo
Because for those it makes it slower
flat flicker
Yeah, facts
Iāve run it and didnāt feel like it was super crippling but can see it being a problem at 40 heat
undone tartan
Fresh file first run is harder than 50 heat tbh
hoary pasture
Maybe
undone tartan
Just for the Hades fight
The rest isnāt too bad
But Hades feels borderline impossible
And Iām using a save-state to practice (aka abusing the give-up feature which for some reason lets me retry if itās the first run on a file)
cursive portal
Fresh file first run is harder than 50 heat tbh
I frames hard
Especially with sword and only 1 dash
Fresh file requires a lot of precision and rng
undone tartan
And yes itās much harder because I only entered the fight with 70hp but I havenāt even gotten to phase 2 yet so itās more than just that
undone tartan
Especially with sword and only 1 dash
Exactly
cursive portal
Phase 2 easier tbh
undone tartan
I believe it
cursive portal
Attack patterns are more predictable
gaunt fiber
Same as high heat dad
undone tartan
High heat dad is much easier than FF dad
Well, at least 50 heat dad is
Maybe not RI3 EM4
eternal hare
you're just used to high heat dad
FF dad is a different flow
it is going to feel a little weird for a while
shy plinth
Fun is in the eye of the beholder
Some of the shield aspects are really interesting and different and I do enjoy them
Would also bet that shield is the majority of "first clears"
cyan hornet
The hand weapon is pretty fun too
cyan hornet
My strat with shield was just to get as many Hermes buffs and centaurs souls as possible
undone tartan
Honestly shield is probably the easiest weapon to learn
Idk about easiest to learn but it definitely has a very high skill ceiling
craggy pendant
Bow OP
shy plinth
Zeus is insane in terms of depth
undone tartan
Yeah
cyan hornet
Also hammer buffs for bull rush are really good too
shy plinth
Beo has a lot but def is limited by the high heat pacts at 50+
undone tartan
just hold left click
Of the shields yes. But not out of every weapon imo
quartz mantle
There's an iceberg tier with this
Zag shield and Chaos at the top with "Just hold block"
Then there's Beo with cast management
then Zeus is like
all the way at the bottom trying to control two things at once
cyan hornet
Idk man I feel like if u get hermes and good hammer buffs with any weapon your gonna at least go really far
flat flicker
Idk man I feel like if u get hermes and good hammer buffs with any weapon your g...
It wonāt win alone but it canāt hurt!
cyan hornet
Ik but it got me through my first run lol
Just held left click with shield and Hermes evasion
flat flicker
Yeah, your first few clears will teach you a lot about whatās good
And will that win every time? No, but it won this time, and youāre right hermes and blocking are good
Good stuff
outer tartan
+2 dash with divine dash 
undone tartan
Love to see it
stuck crater
my first clear was with guan yu. i imagine i'm the minority in that one
stuck crater
is light of ixion worth purchasing? 32 heat if it matters
hoary pasture
It depends what biome you're in and how comfortable you are with the aspect/pact
stuck crater
heading into elysium. this is my second 32 heat run so comfort is difficult to gauge
shy plinth
Chaos gates are valuable but no idea what pact you're using and how strong your build is etc
Or how much money you have
Experienced players would likely buy ixion pretty often
stuck crater
ah. fair. i suppose it's a loaded question then. i'll air on the safe side and ignore it then
shy plinth
I think that's wise
hoary pasture
Yea some curses can be really bad
Combined with tough Ely rooms and it could end your run
shy plinth
Elysium in particular is where you really don't want to take chances
I very rarely take trials there
outer tartan
I just never take them because of tight deadline lol
gaunt fiber
Yeah that's the issue
mossy zinc
I take them when I feel like it and if I die, I just tell myself it was worth it for the practice.
shy plinth
I instead practice the discipline to not take them
It's not a TD issue, it is a getting murdered issue
gaunt fiber
Well
mossy zinc
Fear is for the weak.
outer tartan
It's not a TD issue, it is a getting murdered issue
For you maybe. I am still working on 5 minute TD and getting beat by the clock
gaunt fiber
You'll get it with time and you'll be able to take trials too
mossy zinc
Just do RI4 TD0. Easy.
shy plinth
Note: Do not do that
mossy zinc
Note: Do not do that
Why not?
stuck crater
shield enemy after shield enemy after shield enemy
shy plinth
Because most mere mortals do not win at mirrorless 32s
mossy zinc
Do you have personal experience with RI4 TD0?
shy plinth
Not a ton, no
mossy zinc
I rest my case.
shy plinth
For you maybe. I am still working on 5 minute TD and getting beat by the clock
Watching vods to practice efficient movement and damage was the most helpful thing for me
There are so many things that I wasn't doing that I didn't know I could do
mossy zinc
Watching VODs isn't practice.
Otherwise I should be an amazing soccer player, I watched so many Alex Morgan games. 
Tons of practice.
outer tartan
Just watch Messi curve the ball into the net from 30 ft away. Ez peasy 
mossy zinc
Yeah, if you watch it 100 times, you can do it.
gaunt fiber
It's work
flat flicker
Itās good background noise
But ri4 easy pact if you donāt get hit
so is em4 and ap2 and fo2
game easy
mossy zinc
Yeah, just take all of them.
mossy zinc
You take her and her 
. You don't take Her.
bronze rapids
I got the boons and died anyway
bronze rapids
Studying VODs is useful
until you get distracted by meme build videos instead
flat flicker
until you get distracted by meme build videos instead
and then turn into me, 32 heat all aspects meme beam
or all weapons at least, i was lazy about a few and got bored of it
undone tartan
Got bored of the meme beam??? Impossible!!
bronze rapids
I got it on poseidon sword and called it a day
mossy zinc
I got the boons and died anyway <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Got bored of winning?
flat flicker
Got bored of the meme beam??? Impossible!!
yeah, i mean i still take it when it shows up here and there
but havent started grandma in mad long
hoary pasture
average ap2 enjoyer
bronze rapids
by being bad at the game
flat flicker
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867888481324761108/923331621657116682/unk...
mistral dash stonks
mossy zinc
In 27 minutes no less.
hoary pasture
EM4 hard
undone tartan
How did you die on 20 Heat?
Nyaa always says the things I think but choose not to say
mossy zinc
You think?
flat flicker
undone tartan
You think?
From time to time
mossy zinc
<:Zulda:718577362802966558>
Did you know he thinks?
undone tartan
flat flicker
flat flicker
everybody be nice
undone tartan
Nyaa I swear you get away with saying things that I never could
eternal hare
there are a lot of things i think but don't say
flat flicker
tbh if i think about meme beams i'll usually just say something about them
that and based
mossy zinc
Nyaa I swear you get away with saying things that I never could <:bouldy:5233291...
You simply don't have my impeccable sense of humor and talent for delivery.
mossy zinc
https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-gif-21621168
Thanks.
undone tartan
You simply don't have my impeccable sense of humor and talent for delivery.
Ofc
mossy zinc
Need to know your audience.
stuck crater
beat theseus and co with 5 seconds left... probably doesn't leave enough time to win but it's my farthest attempt yet
flat flicker
beat theseus and co with 5 seconds left... probably doesn't leave enough time to...
pray for a two sack
stuck crater
i got a two sack but the last room left me with 6 health so.... i'm gonna die to hades lmao
undone tartan
Need to know your audience.
Aka you can make fun of me because you know I donāt mind
mossy zinc
No I meant because others will think it's funny if it's you, but that works.
undone tartan
Thatās worse
mossy zinc
i got a two sack but the last room left me with 6 health so.... i'm gonna die to...
You can do it!
stuck crater
guess i turned on the gameshark lmaooooo
32 heat done! not bad for a second try lol
flat flicker
Based
mossy zinc
m taking all the credit for this one. Saying you can do it gave you the energy you needed.
mossy zinc
m joking, all the credit goes to Lady Aphrodite.
stuck crater
thanks for all the tips guys! definitely wouldn't have done it so quickly without you guys
mossy zinc
And Fidi.
stuck crater
now off to do the epilogue, then i can be "done" with this fantastic game
hoary pasture
Pog
stuck crater
if the game gave me a stupid skeleton statue for beating 64 heat i would, but alas
mossy zinc
32 Heat is like only halfway through the game.
left prism
https://imgur.com/OJrOBMz
hestia is bestia
outer tartan
Why Can't I post images?
shy plinth
Nice work
mossy zinc
Why Can't I post images?
You need to link images.
outer tartan
Good enough lol
One of these days I will learn how to clear fast/high heat with something that's not hestia
cursive portal
-Olympian favor
hoary pasture
Had more boons on my 50 heat clear
outer tartan
I avoid all the duo boon rooms lol
outer tartan
Ah that makes sense lol
hoary pasture
Yea Dark Foresight helps a lot
left prism
DF comfy
undone tartan
Test https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/923340725138112...
Dark Foresight does more than you can even imagine
hoary pasture
You could just go to #h1-victory-boasting and scroll up a bit for a 32 clear with Eris
The difference in the amount of boons is massive
shy plinth
It's 6 additional gold doors
fathom birch
damn i do not like the posideon demeter duo
left prism
Lol
fathom birch
It's pretty powerful except on beo
exactly