#h1-high-heat-strategies
hoary pasture
That's what matters 
cursive portal
Hopium poggie
mossy zinc
Sub 10 is a matter of practice first and foremost. You can have some really bad luck and not get a sub 10, but that'd be very rare. Most runs can sub 10 just fine.
flat flicker
Sub 10 is a matter of practice first and foremost. You can have some really bad ...
I guess I just don’t know how to practice it - I take the shortest route possible and end up by doors but my best average still 14ish 
flat flicker
Link please? It’s entirely possible I did to get me from 18 to 14 average, but not sure
flat flicker
Ty
bronze rapids
and then get sidetracked by their meme and rant videos instead
pure lily
Any chance we could pin that link?
gaunt fiber
It's a Speedrun thing though
Although speedrun and high heat share similarities it's not completely fit to this channel
flat flicker
This channel almost could be rebranded as speedrun and high heat
#hades-sweaty-tryhards
quartz mantle
I mean if you want speedrunning advice there’s a whole server for that and the invite link is pinned in #self-promotion
flat flicker
yeah, im on it
just a thought
since this is kind of the tryhard channel and high heat players and speedrun players have a lot of overlap i think
hardy garden
i thought we were the most casual of casuals 
flat flicker
i thought we were the most casual of casuals <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
Once you get the third skelly statue you’re no longer a casual
hardy garden
32 heat comfy
flat flicker
Lol my default is 28 these days
Tho have been doing 24 with js3 and em4 cause funsies
“funsies”
autumn ginkgo
you don't run casual 45 heat?
autumn ginkgo
i keep my heat at what ever my thermostat is set too at home
shy plinth
Celsius or Fahrenheit
bronze rapids
formal heat
flat flicker
isnt every run casual if you're doing it for fun <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
theres nothing casual about FO2
undone tartan
This channel almost could be rebranded as speedrun and high heat
I always thought this was mainly the channel for experienced players
It’s also not really moderated to be kept on track, has some people who only talk in this channel of the server
That’s why it was my favorite channel
gaunt fiber
Let's say there's a derailing tradition
But if we go too far we're punished by the almighty purple ones
undone tartan
Alright so I’m maybe getting back into Hades for a short time. I want to try to do 51 or 52 with Beowulf, wtf do I make my pact because I’m really not sure
AP2 EM4? AP2 RI2? AP1 DC2 RI2/EM4?
Also, is this channel kinda dead? Or even this server? I haven’t been gone that long but it definitely has a very different vibe than when I was active last
Is it even possible to have a decent build at 51+ heat without having to get stupid lucky? Am I gonna have to absolutely grind if I want to have a good build?
Because I really don’t want to do that
mossy zinc
@undone tartan what's the different vibe?
undone tartan
Just a lot less activity
mossy zinc
I'd avoid DC and RI at those heats.
undone tartan
So AP2 EM4?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
undone tartan
And then I get to remove 1/2 points from CP?
mossy zinc
Probably from CP, yeah.
undone tartan
Do I want to go PStatus strats? What do I even go for?
I assume I reset for C1 good hammer or passion flare
mossy zinc
Don't think a good hammer matters too much, just gotta get a decent Cast.
Not necessarily chamber 1.
undone tartan
But like if I want to be efficient, I probably would want to do eternal rose and reset for C1 passion flare, no?
I wouldn’t reset if C1 was sudden rush though
Or maybe even CShot but it’s EM4 so maybe not
mossy zinc
I don't think chamber 1 resets with AP2 are necessarily more efficient than playing it out to see if you can pick up something decent in Tartarus.
Since you're usually more comfortable with Charged Shot, you can just go with that if you get it.
undone tartan
Really? I’d think the odds are pretty slim of getting a passion flare later in Tart, and I wouldn’t exactly get a lot of use out of a heartbreak flourish or a crush shot
mossy zinc
Charged Shot with Beowulf is still a better EM4 than most aspects.
undone tartan
That’s true
mossy zinc
Really? I’d think the odds are pretty slim of getting a passion flare later in T...
It doesn't have to be Passion Flare that you pick up in Tartarus.
undone tartan
Yeah but it would help a lot if it was
mossy zinc
And if you get speedy rooms or good Chaos Gates, you can just roll with it.
undone tartan
Flood flare is decent but idk what else I’d really be happy with
I guess that’s true
Well speedy rooms might not quite cut it for me because… EM4 
I’m still gonna need something really good to have a shot at that
mossy zinc
I don't mean go until Elysium and find out you don't have the DPS, but you can at least pick up the first few boons and see what you get.
mossy zinc
It's practice, too.
undone tartan
Oh, and no PStatus because AP2? Or should I go for it anyway?
mossy zinc
I dunno tbh, you could try and just see how it goes.
Might help when you get funky builds like Drunken Strike + Passion Flare and things like that.
mossy zinc
Good luck! 
undone tartan
Run is going well but I also got nourished soul so I feel like I’m losing anyway
eternal hare
biggest problem with not getting your cast c1 is that you kinda need poms to go into it
you can definitely clear without getting cast until later but you can only pick up a finite number of poms and every extra pommable boon you pick up makes it harder to put them where you want
undone tartan
Got 4 sacked
Hate this game
It’s crazy how a fantastic run can literally just die to purely bad RNG. I know I’ve said this a thousand times but it really just makes me very sad
eternal hare
welcome back to the game 😄
undone tartan
Yep
Good to see you ocaml
That was such an inanely close run too, but I only had 2:30 going into EM4 which is so beyond impossible for me
Phase 1 alone took me 1:30
eternal hare
yeah 2:30 is kinda in that strong build required territory
undone tartan
Yeah my build was definitely not “strong”. It was just a lvl 4 rare cast, divine strike, and exposed to proc PS
Not bad at all
eternal hare
seems like you can make do with a 2-sack
undone tartan
In fact, had I gotten a 2-sack and had 4+ minutes left, it would have been very very possible
Especially because I had divine dash
pseudo kernel
Hate this game
Welcome back pancake
undone tartan
Thanks Muck every vowel
pseudo kernel
eternal hare
and sometimes y
undone tartan
I accidentally picked the wrong thing from Eurydice and it shrunk my cast is there anything I can do
This run is so cursed I’m just gonna die and restart
mossy zinc
Hm? Pretty sure that bug only happens when you sell your Attack boon. Eurydice should fix it, not cause it.
But then again who knows with Beowulf. 
undone tartan
She upgraded the rarity of both my attack and cast, and my cast got tiny baby small
I actually recorded it so if this hasn’t been seen before… now it has
mossy zinc
Probably has, it's just hard to keep track of every Beowulf bug that's out there.
Probably the rarity increase on your Attack boon that caused it?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
You'll just have to make do.
undone tartan
I reset lol
mossy zinc
That's one way to make do.
hardy garden
Got 4 sacked
thats why i play modded
undone tartan
That’s so understandable
hardy garden
if i didnt have the speedrunning modpack id do like 1-2 50 heats and be done prolly 
. rn im at 14/24
undone tartan
THATS A LOT
Congrats!!!
Modded or not, it takes a lot of skill to get that many aspects to 50 heat
undone tartan
I just had such a close/stressful Lernie fight that my right arm hurts from mashing buttons while clenching every muscle
But I got there
That’s what matters
Actually it’s probably the flu shot now that I think about it. I mean, definitely it’s the tightness + mashing but the reason that’s so rough is because I just got a flu shot in that arm lol
eternal hare
do some stretches and take it easy for sure
undone tartan
Yeah I’ll probably resume tomorrow. Can’t get back to Styx after that one run. I had a lvl 10 common passion flare in that last run, but I got abysmal Elysium rooms and timed out at champions
undone tartan
You said the tiny cast is not fixable? Rare crop hit my cast and it’s tiny now
I’m in Elysium
This glitch is so BS
And I died
But that’s actually because I got charged shot
It totally threw me off
Man that run was so good
I had an extra bloodstone and 40% cast damage from Chaos
And Snow Burst
Only lvl 3 cast but it was about to be Heroic from the crop
Also it’s crazy how you can literally see how some of the enemies were actually programmed to hide behind the barriers in Erebus rooms and spam projectiles while constantly staying away from the player. Not sure why they programmed them to do that, it’s really annoying
dapper schooner
This glitch is so BS
the price we pay for +100% damage mirage shot 😔
eternal hare
Tiny cast is fixable but it's pretty specific
flat flicker
How
mossy zinc
Also it’s crazy how you can literally see how some of the enemies were actually ...
That behavior isn't specific to Erebus.
undone tartan
I guess it’s just especially egregious in Erebus then
mossy zinc
Because they're probably superelites, yeah.
undone tartan
Because they actually hug the barriers and will go in circles if you try to chase them
mossy zinc
Yeah, so don't do that.
Bait them into attacking, and then time your own attack.
Or just do what I do and let Dusa handle Erebus for you.
undone tartan
Me: Wow I’m glad I didn’t accidentally shrink my cast to be super small this run
Game: Makes me swap to phalanx flare
mossy zinc
Try AP1 if you're not having fun with AP2.
cursive portal
Beo is crippled by RI2 so would have to do EM4
mossy zinc
He's doing EM4 anyway.
undone tartan
RI2 EM4
undone tartan
Beo is crippled by RI2 so would have to do EM4
I did AP1 RI2 EM3 for my first Beo 50. But now it’s 52 so I can’t really get away with that
gaunt fiber
The good thing about RI0 EM4 is that you reach dad consistently
hardy garden
is ri2 that bad
undone tartan
Yes
hardy garden
i just did ri2 for 52 cuz em4 sus
undone tartan
The hardest room of a 50 heat RI2 run is chamber 34 imo
All my homies hate chamber 34
hardy garden
or wait it was ri1
mossy zinc
JS3 CP2 chamber 34 Thanatos fun.
hardy garden
js3 cp2 not fun
undone tartan
JS3 Elysium not fun
Also just lost my second run today to sack RNG
Well, and also having to swap to phalanx flare
That really slowed me down a lot
But when I got a 2 minute long tiny vermin fight where the satyr sack should have been, that was definitely the worst part
gaunt fiber
is ri2 that bad
A very good way to learn the aspects, making the best out of your few boons.
undone tartan
It’s unfortunate that despite there being a >50% chance of getting a 2-sack, I’m currently 0-2 on that. I guess that’s just how probabilities work though
gaunt fiber
Yeah it's so bad for our purpose
undone tartan
It honestly is like really bad. Like, I’m not gonna go on a whole rant but it feels like such an incredibly terrible design choice that it’s just sad it’s bringing down such a good game
gaunt fiber
I think it's not a bad choice for most of the players
It adds something to Styx
But when you're talking about speed yeah
undone tartan
I adds randomness that can make or break a run. That’s never good
gaunt fiber
That never breaks a run for 99% of the community
That's what I mean
Only for us tryhards 
undone tartan
Well if you’re gonna put heat in the game, then don’t leave something as stupid as sack RNG in the game
If a mechanic in the game becomes completely garbage when combined with an important aspect of the game’s post-game, then that’s something the developers should really take into account.
gaunt fiber
Once again, it's important for so few players
undone tartan
It’s still in the game
undone tartan
It’s not. Just guarantee a 2-sack when you use TD just how it guarantees no timer rooms with TD
Easy fix
gaunt fiber
Yeah sure
Put the pact is much more than that
A run can be doomed before Styx and you can't do anything about it
undone tartan
Ok? But that doesn’t change the fact that sack RNG is bs and terrible, and it’s also completely fixable
That’s actually not relevant
gaunt fiber
The pact iteration for this game is definitely an improvement from the last one. It still has flaws so I'm eager to see the next game
Yeah it's bad
But once again it's only bad for few players
At a unreasonable heat
undone tartan
That doesn’t excuse it
gaunt fiber
It does
undone tartan
I don’t think it does at all
gaunt fiber
Because some 3 or 4 sack runs are still possible to win
And it's really rewarding
Of course I hate it in high heat
gaunt fiber
^
undone tartan
It’s a bs mechanic that is annoying casually and run-ruining when you’re challenging yourself (which the game goes to great effort to allow any player to do). I don’t think it can be excused by saying that it only affects people who do high heat runs. It’s a terrible mechanic
gaunt fiber
That's your opinion yeah
undone tartan
It adds more RNG into the game, and right at the very end too
gaunt fiber
I don't think think it's bad casually
And my Beo 50 clear was one second from being a defeat
That's just another challenge
undone tartan
It’s not RNG that helps replayability like boon variation does. It only serves to artificially make some runs harder
It’s inexcusable
jaunty falcon
And my Beo 50 clear was one second from being a defeat
Mine was 1.2s, damn
hoary pasture
Yea it's just terrible for high heat and speedrunning
Which is why the community agreed to make a modpack for those things anyway
jaunty falcon
It’s a shame for switch players
undone tartan
That’s also not an excuse for how bad the mechanic is
And yeah, I’m a switch player
I can switch to my PC but it would run worse because my PC is pretty bad, and it would also be super obnoxious to set up every time
Yes, this game is full of RNG. But most of that RNG serves a very important purpose in enhancing replayability and variety, and also encouraging improvisation and innovation. Boon, hammer, room reward, enemy, even lernie head RNG all fall into this category.
Sack RNG, on the other hand, does not contribute to any of those things. It simply serves to randomly make some runs harder, which is at best mildly interesting and at worst literally game ruining. If a game has a core mechanic of difficulty customization, but is also designed with a mechanic that is basically incompatible with the higher difficulties, then that is a failure of the game. That’s my opinion on it.
cursive portal
I can switch to my PC but it would run worse because my PC is pretty bad, and it...
Atleast download the max hell save on your pc, then crossave that onto switch
That should still help a lot
eternal hare
Nice sack venting
undone tartan
Thx
eternal hare
It's definitely a thing some people have strong opinions about lol so I can feel your frustrations with it
undone tartan
Damn, looks like Michelle never did beat 60 heat Arthur like she promised she would. Dreams really do die smh
hoary pasture
That's a big dream for sure
undone tartan
Lmao it sure was
undone tartan
Wait her last message was literally the same day that she went on about how she was gonna do it
LMAO
That’s just sad
undone tartan
I was saying to maybe keep your expectations a little lower and she said: #h1-high-heat-strategies message
eternal hare
What exactly is the point of bringing this up after two months though
undone tartan
I saw someone on the HK server who also had very high ambitions
I wanted to think back on the last time I heard that
Check back and see how it went
cursive portal
gaunt fiber
I mean
When I was a beginner I swore I'd clear GY 50
It was a long way but I did it
It's fine to have high ambitions, why do you have to bring that up
undone tartan
Genuinely because I was curious what came of it
And then I checked and I felt like I had to mention that the day of that discussion was also the last day they messaged on the server. It’s just so funny
gaunt fiber
oh rip
quartz mantle
This is based
hoary pasture
~~Totally was expecting it to happen ~~
undone tartan
Alright I might have to literally switch to PC and download a mod that literally just fixes the tiny cast glitch with Beo because it’s somehow happening almost every run
I had to choose between selling snow burst, passion flare, or frost strike. So I guess rip cast
And also rip run pretty much
I’m sure I could still count my run as unmodded if I modded the game to just fix that total bs bug, right?
Because that glitch is so so annoying omg
hoary pasture
What is the bug
oh
the tiny cast
I thought that only happens if you sell your attack boon
quartz mantle
It happens if you sell your attack boon but can also happen if you change cast rarity
I believe it can be fixed if you Eurydice the cast after it is smol
I mean it is a glitch everyone has to deal with playing Beowulf so using a mod that removes the glitch would count as modded
hoary pasture
I had no idea there is a mod to fix that
It barely happens to me because I avoid selling attack
I also dont remember it happening when rare crop hit my cast on one of my recent attempts
Not sure
quartz mantle
I mean the strat is just deal with it lol
You’re playing Beo anyways you need some sort of nerf
hoary pasture
lol
hoary pasture
cursive portal
@cgull
undone tartan
Theres no mods to fix any bugs
I’m sure it could be made if it does not exist
But that glitch literally happens to me almost every single run
Either I get stuck with rare crop or I am forced to sell my attack
It always happens somehow
eternal hare
Have you tried working around it by planning around actually having to sell a boon
hoary pasture
Well knowing its there, you could've sold Snow burst
undone tartan
No that would be even worse
That would half my damage
I’m using PStatus
It just ends up being another way that RNG can screw my runs over late into them
hoary pasture
Your attack inflicts Chill thats not gonna be half your dmg gone
Just reset if you cant play around it, not much else you can do
undone tartan
Yeah as I said, it’s just another way that RNG can end my runs in a way that I have no control over
eternal hare
It's not a run ender
hoary pasture
idk about that
eternal hare
It's annoying for sure but you definitely got a pattern of blaming various things about the game for why you fail runs instead of actually playing better
undone tartan
If I die to EM4, that’s me needing to play better. I die to Lernie, I need to play better. I die in a rough Elysium room, I need to play better.
If I have 5 boons and the game makes me sell the only 3 that I can’t sell, which shrinks my attack boon to less than half its size, that’s not me needing to play better. If I have 8 minutes saved up in Styx because I played the other regions super fast, and I get 4-sacked and lost 5 minutes, that is not me needing to play better.
I don’t come here and mention all the times I die to my own mistakes but of course it happens all the time
But the times that it’s not my fault are the times that make me frustrated
eternal hare
You're acting like having a base flare size is the end of the world when it's not
undone tartan
Regardless of how bad you think it is, it makes the game significantly harder for me and it does so for a reason that is random and outside of my control
eternal hare
The way you adapt to it is very much in your control
hoary pasture
I mean you could keep a roll for wells
It's not a new strat
rng is just part of the game, in some places it can be unfair like 5 sacks and what not
eternal hare
It is objectively something that can be dealt with
Ykc's 60 heat beo has the small passion flare
honest kernel
yeah I mean I dont think hades is balanced for extremly high heat at all
its just madness you chose to deal with or not
undone tartan
The way you adapt to it is very much in your control
I do adapt. I made it all the way through Elysium with the tiny flare. Doesn’t make it any less bs
eternal hare
You said it's run ending rng but I'm saying that it's something you can adapt to and play with and you're now agreeing with me
undone tartan
I guess what I’m saying is that regardless of how hard it is to work around, it’s still very frustrating and it still sucks
eternal hare
Definitely
quartz mantle
As is hades the video game
eternal hare
But knowing that it exists should mean that you should be taking it into account from the start of your run
Not the very moment you open up your first purging pool
undone tartan
As is hades the video game
Yes but in a very different way than other Hades RNG (beside sack RNG, it’s a lot like that)
hoary pasture
Yea I learned about it by selling my attack
quartz mantle
Stop thinking about it like a glitch and more of something you have to play around
hoary pasture
bitter stone
It's just one run
eternal hare
It's not gonna go away so yeah best to just accept it sooner rather than later
bitter stone
You're bound to lose even good ones
quartz mantle
Instead of being like “this is bs I can’t believe I have to deal with small flair” come at it with the mindset of it being a feature of the aspect you have to deal with
bitter stone
Yeah
quartz mantle
Beowulf is broken as hell by itself you have so many other great things about that aspect
bitter stone
Like the point of speedrunning a roguelike is that there is a buffer against it in randomization
That's the skill in it above just playing normally
quartz mantle
So don’t complain about one niche problem that it has being frustrating or bad
bitter stone
You can lose time because you get bad rolls or bad rooms or bad enemy generation
Lose runs because it just doesnt work or breaks in this case
eternal hare
Going for speed definitely helps with getting used to the idea of throwing away good runs frequently
undone tartan
I’m starting to think that maybe EM4 is just not the way to go for me
I know RI2 AP2 is a nightmare but for me EM4 is basically impossible
That’s not an exaggeration
I think even if I had a perfect build and 6 minutes on the clock with 400 health and ToSD, I’d put my odds of winning at less than 10%
hoary pasture
Is it still Beo
undone tartan
Yeah it’s still Beo
I’m just being realistic
I’ve been grinding but that fight is just not possible for me
I just legitimately can’t do it
That’s just the truth
hoary pasture
If its beo, EM4 isnt too bad, like for real, you can block so much crap, but you just have to put in some attempts, I think it took me 15-16 attempts for Beo 50 EM4 which isnt too bad
cursive portal
how on earth are you gonna get a perfect build, 6 minutes on the clock with 400 health and ToSD
undone tartan
Yes
hoary pasture
Well
cursive portal
flat flicker
Em4 easy fight if you don’t get hit
also it is substantially easier w beo than anything else
hoary pasture
Have you done a 50 EM4 or practice attempts or something
undone tartan
I’m just being realistic and EM4 at 50+ is just impossible for me, it just is
undone tartan
Have you done a 50 EM4 or practice attempts or something
I mean I got to the fight around 20-30 times in 50/52 heat attempts, and I’ve done it a good 40+ times at like 15 heat in casual runs
It seems pretty clear to me that I’m never gonna beat it at 50+, Beo or not.
Out of the 20-30 attempts that have got to EM4 at 50+ heat (all with Beo), only a single one made it to phase 3 and I died immediately. And that was with a really good AP1 RI0 build
So I’m gonna do AP2 RI2
honest kernel
i know this is off topic but does god mode give you any advantage?, i started playing hades last month but ive been having a bit of trouble
undone tartan
Because at least with that I have a conceivable shot at winning ever
undone tartan
i know this is off topic but does god mode give you any advantage?, i started pl...
This might not be the right channel for you, but yes god mode adds damage resistance. If you want to know more, check the wiki
flat flicker
i know this is off topic but does god mode give you any advantage?, i started pl...
Absolutely - it’s basically easier mode so the initial grinding and learning the game phase goes faster. It’s a crutch but there’s nothing wrong with that
honest kernel
Absolutely - it’s basically easier mode so the initial grinding and learning the...
Thanks
did you try to run modded pancake? its more chill on the ap2 nightmare
also no sack rng
hoary pasture
They're on switch for now I think
honest kernel
oh rip
undone tartan
Yep
undone tartan
Actually, if I refuse to do EM4, would another weapon maybe be much easier?
Beowulf can’t get anything at all together with AP2 RI2
Maybe I should do Hestia
hoary pasture
Rama gud
undone tartan
I love Rama but I’ve only been able to beat high heats when I get twin or triple
And I really can’t expect to find either of those with AP2 RI2, especially not in Tartarus where I’d probably need them
eternal hare
Hestia probably better since not as hammer reliant
undone tartan
Yeah I agree
The thing about Hestia is that I don’t have to do EM4 but I can get random BP2 rooms that are about as impossible
However, unlike EM4, I can get really lucky and maybe they just won’t show up
flat flicker
Maybe pick up a new game, you seem like you are not having any fun tbh
Plenty of great Black Friday switch deals out there
And 52 is a lot of heat
honest kernel
I did hestia with ap2 50 yea
undone tartan
Plenty of great Black Friday switch deals out there
There actually are not
I’m legitimately out of games
My PS5 is on the way though
Might be a few weeks though
honest kernel
play lobotomy corp 
undone tartan
Definitely not my kind of game
flat flicker
Zag sword EM4 <:cerbysnug:878468542159257610>
zag sword em5 where hades has Charon back him up all fight
easy game
quartz mantle
And I really can’t expect to find either of those with AP2 RI2, especially not i...
Do AP1 then
undone tartan
That’s 49 heat
quartz mantle
There actually are not <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Get Astral Chain
undone tartan
I’m trying to at least do more than 50
quartz mantle
Uh my 55 heat pact is AP1, RI2, JS3, CP2, EM4, CF0
undone tartan
Get Astral Chain
Just looked it up. No shot lmao
quartz mantle
So like assuming you turn off EM4 and turn on CF2 that’s like
53
It’s hellmode too
So non-hellmode is 52
undone tartan
DC2? I can’t do DC2 on Beo
quartz mantle
It is DC2 this is for Rama
quartz mantle
Just looked it up. No shot lmao
Also lame the game slaps
undone tartan
the issue is that I’m actually not good with Rama, I’m only good with twin shot Rama. And I’m doing unseeded now so even if I get Tartarus twin shot, it’s only for one run and I’ll probably mess it up
undone tartan
Also lame the game slaps
I’m definitely not a JRPG kind of person
undone tartan
Only being good with twin shot
Well… I only have an success with the weapon when it’s doing stupid damage
quartz mantle
It’s the same weapon tho
undone tartan
It’s an action rpg
I stand by what I said
quartz mantle
The same play style
quartz mantle
If you can be good with twin shot and you practice enough without it you can deal with not having it
undone tartan
I need to be kinda carried by twin
quartz mantle
That’s why you run AP1
quartz mantle
If you want a better build run AP1
undone tartan
Yeah but the odds of getting twin (or triple which I’m much worse with but I can still try my best) before Elysium are still very bad with AP1
quartz mantle
People do be running AP2 and then complain when they don’t get the hammers or boons they want like what lmao
hoary pasture
Lol
quartz mantle
I mean skill is not a static thing
undone tartan
I’m not doing that. I only run AP2 when I assume that I’ll get nothing to help me beside maybe my first boon
quartz mantle
You’re telling yourself you need twin shot when that’s probably not true
undone tartan
No I’m pretty sure it is, trust me I’ve tried
But sure, I’ll give it another shot ig
quartz mantle
But every time you pick up that hammer and you don’t get twin shot you’ve already given up and you’ve already lost at that point
It’s all about the mentality
hoary pasture
That’s true
undone tartan
No that wasn’t my issue
quartz mantle
Deadass a better mentality can help a lot with being better at whatever it is you’re dealing with
hoary pasture
It’s same for the EM4 thing
undone tartan
No I was very hopeful and willing to grind but I just realized that I’m not even getting remotely close
I’m saying I was literally dying in phase 1 at least 60-70% of the time
With Beowulf
And this is after many attempts
undone tartan
And like, that’s fine. I’m willing to accept that EM4 isn’t the way to go for me
quartz mantle
Stop overthinking everything
You’ve built up enough muscle memory at this point to live off of it
Once you start overthinking you’re going to overcorrect for things and that’ll mess you up
undone tartan
I really wasn’t. But you can’t tell me that you can spend 7 hours grinding 52 heat with Beo, die to phase 1 of EM4 five times, and still want to use EM4.
At a certain point you have to just change your strategy
quartz mantle
Well it depends on what your goal is
If your goal is to complete an arbitrary heat number than there are probably easier avenues to achieving that than clearing EM4
But if your goal is to clear a 50+ heat run with EM4 then there’s only one option for that
undone tartan
My goal definitely isn’t to beat 50+ heat with EM4 because that would clearly be hell. I don’t care about what pact, my goal is to beat 52.
And clearly I have realized that EM4 is definitely not the way to do that. Not only is it clearly much too difficult, but it’s also miserable grinding for 40 minutes just to get insta-killed by EM4 over and over again.
Why would my goal be to beat 50+ with EM4? If that was my goal then I wouldn’t be trying to figure out a (fun) way to do 52 without EM4
I’m not willing to put in the weeks if not months of 50 heat EM4 grinding that I would clearly need to reach that level of comfort with the boss
I’m being realistic in my expectations and in my goals
quartz mantle
Why would my goal be to beat 50+ with EM4? If that was my goal then I wouldn’t b...
Your goal doesn’t have to directly be tied to heat idk, my goal is to clear my specific 55 heat pact not 55 heat in general, since that would be easier if I just turned on CF2, EM3, CP1, and AP2 and played modded but I wanted to clear CF0 55 heat as a specific goal
quartz mantle
Yea and that’s a fair choice, just try not to limit yourself too much mentally
Just in general
undone tartan
I don’t see how choosing not to use EM4 is limiting myself. If anything, I would be limiting myself if I insisted on using EM4 despite it clearly being too hard for me
hoary pasture
They’re talking more about the “Cant play Rama without this hammer” and “EM4 impossible” kinda stuff I feel like
undone tartan
I mean I can try to play Rama without twin but I’m saying that I’ve tried and I’ve literally never in my life even made it out of Tartarus
I just think, why get frustrated ramming my head into the same wall when that wall is clearly not coming down?
Sure, I can hear everyone saying that EM4 is definitely the best choice for Beo at 50+, and think “yeah I can do it” and spent 30+ hours grinding runs that die at phase 1 EM4, and get frustrated and sick of the game, and give up.
Or I could change my strategy and have a much better time
eternal hare
Are perfect shot and point-blank shot first hammers too hard for you to manage
undone tartan
Oh I’ll definitely try if I get those too. And they help, but nowhere near as much as twin does
I think I’ve gotten out of tart with those before
eternal hare
They're plenty enough scaling to make it to elysium where hopefully you get a second hammer that can give you the boost you need to push to the finish
undone tartan
One would hope, yes. If I’m being honest, I was only able to do 50 heat with Rama because I played on the same seed that had C1 Twin, C2 80 hp from Chaos, C3 Heartbreak Strike. It’s the most broken seed I’ve ever had
But I’m committing to unseeded for this run, and I’m even recording it
undone tartan
Wait should I be starting Eternal Rose or is there something better that I could start with? I’ve been fishing for C1 Heartbreak Strike but maybe there’s a better plan than that
hoary pasture
Well I would start with Arti because dash and attack are fine, Aphro gud but idk how I like a common Aphro attack on RI1+ where you’re probably gonna struggle to hit it with poms
cursive portal
hunter dash start-shackle riskier but also okay
cursive portal
undone tartan
But I did always prefer Aphrodite over Artemis for normal enemies because Artemis is either doing not enough damage or doing much more than is required
eternal hare
I have a heat rama guide in progress that goes into it a bit
undone tartan
Give me the inside scoop ocaml, what should I start with?
hoary pasture
I think in the guide it’s stated that Rare/Epic Aphro > Arti > Rare/Epic % (Demeter Athena) > Flat dmg
eternal hare
Shackle if you don't want to reset at all, Artemis if you're okay with 50/50, aphrodite if you want to reset for attack and rarity
hoary pasture
Or something along those lines
eternal hare
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pErtY9UOD_a9C5w1mLKuEqvDvcOjSxnYICbeNj77hp4/edit if you want to read through a half finished guide lol
That's the attack boon priority but it's somewhat separate from the keepsake start argument
hoary pasture
Yea that’s true
undone tartan
Yeah idk without twin my damage is just so so bad
Even with epic heartbreak strike and also Hunter dash
It’s taking like four power shots on some armored enemies even with multi-hits with shared suffering
I’m just not doing any damage
I did like 10 runs but only left Tart once
hardy garden
if you want to simulate the mod pack you can just do ap0 and pick whatever for the first hammer and boon then just force yourself with the middle boon or something
undone tartan
What? No I’m doing 52 heat
hoary pasture
Lmao
hardy garden
just add on 5 heat to your pact from fake ap2
undone tartan
If I wanted to do the modpack I’d just do the hassle of switching to PC
eternal hare
You dont have the means to record your runs on switch im assuming
undone tartan
I’m using a capture card
hardy garden
well if you cant do em4 and hate ap2 then well 52 just aint good for you mentally
undone tartan
Yeah I’ve been recording these runs. Some of the footage I saved, but if I just spent 40 minutes trying to leave Tartarus then I’ll generally just delete that
eternal hare
There's definitely significant room for you to improve if you're failing tart that often
undone tartan
I’m sure
I’m pretty consistent at leaving Tart with Beo, although not really with AP2 RI2
eternal hare
Well if you care enough you can always request a review in the speed discord
undone tartan
I don’t get why you’d pick RI2 for Beo 52
Because I’m not doing EM4, as I’ve said repeatedly
hoary pasture
I’m aware
flat flicker
Idk man I think the single best thing you could do rn is literally anything besides hades take a breath and clear your head you’ll lose if you’re playing salty em4 or not
quartz mantle
I don’t grind hades at all
hoary pasture
I would do JS3 DC1 RI1
quartz mantle
If I do runs I do maybe one or two in a row and then quit out and do something different
undone tartan
Idk man I think the single best thing you could do rn is literally anything besi...
I’m not salty
flat flicker
Same. It’s a mix up or something to do for an hour during a weird gap in my schedule
Get back to it then and if you do get salty, take a break
Playing salty will make you lose
Source: me
blowing several runs when salty
undone tartan
I don’t have anything else to do I genuinely don’t
flat flicker
Botw
Dead cells
KOTOR
Black Friday deals
You get the idea
Lol hades is on sale for Black Friday too
quartz mantle
You can try getting a hobby that doesn’t involve video games
Learn something
Join a club
undone tartan
I have 350+ hours in BoTW, I have nothing left to do in that game
I don’t think I’d like Dead Cells
Idk what KOTOR is
I’ve looked into so many switch games and none of them interest me at all. To the point where I spent nearly double MSRP to get a PS5 because they don’t exist except in the hands of scalpers. So…
When my PS5 arrives I’ll have more things to do
flat flicker
I have 350+ hours in BoTW, I have nothing left to do in that game
I don’t think ...
Ps5 comes with 20 greatest hits from the ps4 era
Oh it’s not there yet ok
undone tartan
Yeah
mossy zinc
I really wasn’t. But you can’t tell me that you can spend 7 hours grinding 52 he...
I'd either turn off EM4 or do EM4 runs at lower Heat to grind the fight.
undone tartan
Yeah I turned off EM4
flat flicker
I started up returnal (because the sales pitch I heard was “space hades”) that’s a good one too
warm dagger
I started up returnal (because the sales pitch I heard was “space hades”) that’s...
Is this PS5 exclusive or can I get it on Steam?
flat flicker
Is this PS5 exclusive or can I get it on Steam?
Ps5 only
warm dagger
I've heard of it before but never looked into it.
flat flicker
But dead cells and Isaac are the go to roguelikes available everywhere for like 20-30 bucks
flat flicker
I've heard of it before but never looked into it.
It’s gonna be close on what took more attempts, Meg or the returnal first boss
undone tartan
I’ve tried other roguelikes (Isaac and Gungeon) but I haven’t liked any except Hades. I find them so so boring
flat flicker
Watch football
undone tartan
Eww
warm dagger
Basketball for me.
undone tartan
I’ll definitely take a break when Atrioc goes live but that won’t be for another few hours
flat flicker
Basketball for me.
That’s Christmas, this is thanksgiving
warm dagger
Oh honestly thought we were talking non game related hobbies
flat flicker
Oh honestly thought we were talking non game related hobbies
Oh my bad
I was just suggesting to pancake he watch the game
warm dagger
I see that now... Of course there is a major-ish game on for the holiday. Watch the Macy's parade too.
flat flicker
Something to reset since grinding high heat and rolling the ap2 lottery like, power to ya man im happy at 40 lol
mossy zinc
If you're talking non-game-related hobbies in #h1-high-heat-strategies, maybe... don't.
warm dagger
If you're talking non-game-related hobbies in <#725021448426749993>, maybe... do...
Duly noted.
flat flicker
There is bo other hobbies only ap2 hell apparently
Which sounds way worse than em4 to me but what do I know I did 40 twice
flat flicker
Do 40 with EM4
I don’t have the patience to mess with ap2 lol
warm dagger
I've heard arguments for SD vs DD... I also know that 50 and above has been done with DDs.. Where is the cut off or is it personal preference?
mossy zinc
HL5 EM4 FO2 with DDs is good for practice.
flat flicker
I've heard arguments for SD vs DD... I also know that 50 and above has been done...
Generally once you need the 4 heat that lasting consequences gives you
jaunty falcon
The cutoff is when you use lc4 with high levels of hard labour, jury summons and benefits package
flat flicker
oof fo2
jaunty falcon
And FO
mossy zinc
I've heard arguments for SD vs DD... I also know that 50 and above has been done...
Generally always SD for high heat, but you also generally want to avoid EM4 until like 50+.
warm dagger
I just recently started a fresh file because I messed up when doing cross saves... Put it down for about 3 months. Picked up recently and only run 16s with TD2, FO2, EM3 and LC1 to get back in the groove .
flat flicker
I just recently started a fresh file because I messed up when doing cross saves....
Solid start. I’d say TD3, LC4 and FO2 are the big ones to learn
I’ve gotten two of those three down
undone tartan
Yeah no this definitely does suck even more than I expected it. Guess I’ll go back to the miserable experience that is smash ultimate online
mossy zinc
If you're taking EM4 at 40, that's 4 Heat you can take off elsewhere, so you can do something like LC1 with DDs and go into EM4 with a lot more HP a lot more reliably without having to rely on extra DDs from Lady Athena and Patroclus for Touch of Styx Dark.
flat flicker
Em4 is also just so satisfying to win
undone tartan
Not too satisfying to get crushed by though
mossy zinc
EM4 pacts you generally want to optimize towards having the best chance at the EM4 fight.
undone tartan
Spending ~30 minutes on a run just to die less than 1/4 of the way through EM4 is not really my vibe
warm dagger
I think once I get my mains up to 8 heat I will turn on TD3,
flat flicker
I did a 28 beowulf and got none of the duos I need except stubborn roots, the fight took nine minutes but it was literally my most satisfying win of at least the last few months (yelling at my tv and cackling like an idiot as if the Jets just won the super bowl)
(Turtle hard ftw)
undone tartan
Oh my god 9 minutes? 
flat flicker
Yep. It was ugly
undone tartan
Now imagine it with CP2
mossy zinc
If you want to get into high heat, just turn on EM2 FO2 TD3 now and get used to that.
flat flicker
No Athena defiances, no mirage, had to purge snow burst cause otherwise I’d trigger the beo death glitch lol
flat flicker
If you want to get into high heat, just turn on EM2 FO2 TD3 now and get used to ...
Not em3?
warm dagger
I feel that EM3 and FO2 should always be auto-includes
mossy zinc
No.
undone tartan
Nah
mossy zinc
Malphon wouldn't want EM3 FO2, for example.
warm dagger
Asterius is the main reason that I say that... EM3 FO2 Asterius is a BEAST.
flat flicker
Fair enough lol he’s definitely ended more than a few runs
warm dagger
Honestly though..... A lot of the runs I do I feel the pain from Asterius more so than Dad.
flat flicker
Facts
I generally know around the end of elysium if I’m screwed or not
Also my brother got five sacked on TD3 and still cleared im so proud of him@
mossy zinc
Well, if you make it past Elysium, your build is gonna be decent enough.
undone tartan
I don’t suggest using both EM3 and FO2 at the same time until almost 40 heat tbh
warm dagger
EM3 FO2 is what helps me Dash better.
mossy zinc
Just don't push too far out your comfort zone or learning is gonna be slow just as much as if you stayed in your comfort zone.
warm dagger
Also I was and am super casual with this game so I have never even attempted above 32 so there's that.
flat flicker
Also I was and am super casual with this game so I have never even attempted abo...
You seem to be more experienced than the casuals
If you’re training on em3 fo2
You’re probably somewhat decent at least
Maybe more than somewhat decent
warm dagger
Ok now you're making me blush. Thanks
When I say casual I guess I mean that I only do 1-3 runs a day as of late. When Ver1 released on Switch I was making 10+ runs a day.
Maybe not V1... But I got the game when it released on Switch.
Have over 400 hours.
eternal hare
The skills you develop by playing don't really slip that easily so even a few runs a day is still plenty enough to progress if you focus on it
undone tartan
Yeah I left the game for a month an a half and came back yesterday playing at nearly the same level as when I left
flat flicker
I generally need a tuneup run before I play after a long hiatus but watching a video does almost as good a job to warm up
left prism
No Athena defiances, no mirage, had to purge snow burst cause otherwise I’d trig...
the what?
eternal hare
I think you still got this
hardy garden
yeah looks fine unless 4-5 sack
flat flicker
Based. Go pew pew gud
mossy zinc
Go go pew pew ranger!
hardy garden
okay maybe a 3 sack wouldve rekt me
didnt help that i scuffed the meg on dad and first tunnel
left prism
gaming
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
warm dagger
That's a solid W if I ever saw one.
flat flicker
okay maybe a 3 sack wouldve rekt me
Gotta not scuff those megs but even so, very based
mossy zinc
25 seconds left. 3-sack would have probably killed you, yeah.
Save a couple seconds per encounter and it's doable, though.
Saving time with Hestia can be tricky, though.
flat flicker
You need to give all your love to Lady Aphrodite.
There is no aspect of Aphrodite
cursive portal
gaunt fiber
Hestia comfy
This pact is the one I used for winstreaks
If you make good use of boiling blood and optimize your gameplay in general it's quite consistent
However at one point you might get cursed by BP and lose, maybe
cursive portal
Saviours 
dapper schooner
i was doing 40heat rama and lava killed myself after forgetting i already lost SD in that room
dapper schooner
lost the next attempt to heroes
hoary pasture
Rip
dapper schooner
chamber 33 was the one that actually killed the run though
took wayy too much time and ran down the TD
hoary pasture
My first 40 Heat Rama went overtime on TD2
It was like 28 minutes and something
It was a 4 sack
Also don’t judge the pact
hoary pasture
They shouldnt be
Blursed win
I actually have no clue whatsoever what I was doing wrong
mossy zinc
I actually have no clue whatsoever what I was doing wrong
Deadly Strike on a non-crit aspect with no additional Attack or Dash-Strike damage and no Heart Rend; no damage on Special; no damage on Dash.
Not "wrong", but your build didn't have very good DPS potential.
Especially with DC2.
hoary pasture
Yea I was referring more to the time problems
Altho this has killing freeze but it just never got into time issues
And I usually don’t anymore with Rama
Just practice I guess
It’s also the same for EM4 attempts
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Altho this has killing freeze but it just never got into time issues
Well, yeah, you had Killing Freeze after all... and a decent Attack like Ange1Man pointed out.
dark ravine
32 heat, sack in last chamber of Styx. I lost 2 DD's in the 3rd chamber and no fountains to be found 🙃 in chamber 4 I had 1 hp left 😭 Is there any way to guarantee a sack in the second chamber?
dark ravine
:<
left prism
praying is an option
hoary pasture
Yes
dark ravine
🤣 I'll try that next time haha
hoary pasture
32 heat, sack in last chamber of Styx. I lost 2 DD's in the 3rd chamber and no f...
32 heat and dds dont go together
Unless its athena dds
hardy garden
dd's arent that bad for 32
shy plinth
You can make em work but I generally wouldn't
flat flicker
32 heat and dds dont go together
If you use the standard pact but em4 instead of lc4 they do
shy plinth
I mean I guess at a certain point if you want to do a particular 32 then do what you wanna do
flat flicker
Man my first 32 pact was so not meta lol
shy plinth
Most "first time 32" pacts are pretty cursed
People who just figure out what works one time and then learn that there are much easier ways
shy plinth
You did what I consider to be a surprisingly common mistake
JS3 TD2
People are afraid of the timer because they make rooms slower with their pacts
flat flicker
Lol yeah this was nine months ago
shy plinth
Yeah
shy plinth
Smoldering rip current solves a lot of problems
hoary pasture
Smoldering rip current solves a lot of problems
Like playing the game
flat flicker
Like playing the game <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
If you get it, em4 becomes easy tho
shy plinth
Nothing wrong with playing the call button game
flat flicker
pro tip peak gaming
hoary pasture
True
hoary pasture
DC2 surely makes that combo a lot more sad lol
hardy garden
when ppl doing are afraid of things like td, fo, and hl so they just choose worse pacts
flat flicker
DC2 surely makes that combo a lot more sad lol
Eris 
hoary pasture
That sure is some next level gaming
hardy garden
bronze rapids
RI2
hardy garden
gotta be hard not getting hit when youre just constantly running away with no timer and triple bomb and meme beams
flat flicker
https://preview.redd.it/gfk891feler71.jpg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9c...
no em4, bad pact
shy plinth
My goodness
flat flicker
Not gonna lie, no TD is kind of brilliant lol
I tried setting it to 7 with js3 for funsies
would recommend for a change of pace
(from the guy who’s like, aight got a few 40s, good enough)
hoary pasture
I do think it’s logical when you start out
But at 37 Heat it’s just hilarious lol
I wanna convince myself that they had zeus attack and got swapped because I see a jolt there but I doubt it
Still a win despite the really bad pact
hardy garden
hades reddit is kinda cursed ngl
hoary pasture
The more you stay there the more brain cells you lose
flat flicker
Imagine taking your time
hoary pasture
Imagine not facetanking Hades lasers
flat flicker
uno shame shame
hoary pasture
No time to hide, gotta keep the dmg comin
quartz mantle
https://preview.redd.it/gfk891feler71.jpg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9c...
I love TD0 pacts they’re on some different level of poopoo
shy plinth
It is fascinating seeing the conclusions people come to on their own
warm dagger
LC4 definitely scares me.
flat flicker
LC4 definitely scares me.
i did like ten or so 20-ish heat with lc4 to get the hang of it
now it feels bad to not have stubborn lol
flat flicker
@hardy garden did you win that run
hoary pasture
Made it to Hades
With DDs
Lol
It’s pretty impressive I think for Chiron to go hitless Aspho and some minor dmg in Ely
flat flicker
lmao that is pretty based
hoary pasture
Very gaming
Should try it again some time
I was more concerned about the time
4:39 Tart doesn’t sound too great
hardy garden
em4 dad is....
actually got out of ely with all 3 dds lol but like 4 health
think one was a replenish
flat flicker
4:39 Tart doesn’t sound too great
as long as it isnt 5:00 who cares, asphodel shorter
just find the sack in 2 ez
bronze rapids
I love TD0 pacts they’re on some different level of poopoo
hoary pasture
Blade dash pog
undone tartan
I tried to do 40 heat Beo with EM4 and died to Hades. Then I did a 45 heat Beo run with EM3 and won.
EM4 worth at least 9 heat confirmed?
hardy garden
I tried to do 40 heat Beo with EM4 and died to Hades. Then I did a 45 heat Beo r...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/909262132074410014/unknown.png just use the best shield
undone tartan
Damn
hardy garden
and get literally all the boons
undone tartan
And the 5x 4x divine dashes too
Wait wait no underworld customs?
Why AP1 but no UC
undone tartan
~~fated authority~~
You’ve only given me more questions
hardy garden
You’ve only given me more questions <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
its tart splitting bolt strats
undone tartan
Is that….. a real thing?
hardy garden
yes
undone tartan
Interesting
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912425963814531092/Hades_11_22_2021_11_34_36_AM.png authority plus legacy kinda cool
undone tartan
Other than trying to get legendaries really early, I can’t imagine Authority is better than Persuasion in any other situations
hardy garden
its mostly just stacking zeus
next acorn
hoary pasture
HC Guan Yu gud
rustic gyro
Im thinking of trying LC4 with stubborn defiance using hera bow and trippy shot because ive reached ridiculous damage with it, and ill check what else from the pacts wouldn't annoy me too much
Ive done 32 before with hestia before but i forgot what i used
hoary pasture
Would recommend Crush Shot instead because it's more consistent
But at 32 Heat your build should still be intact almost, since you dont take AP, RI or CF
flat flicker
Im thinking of trying LC4 with stubborn defiance using hera bow and trippy shot ...
Trippy likes Stygian Soul and auto reload a lot
with infernal soul, i'd agree with Mike
hoary pasture
Yea that's the reason it's not too consistent, gonna need that extra Chaos cast
hoary pasture
Are you using Stygian
rustic gyro
Yes, i have used it quite a bit
But never had it from hermes
I usually get garbage like attack spees
Speed*
honest kernel
I did my first 32 with trippy hera its ok yea
flat flicker
plus, the headcanon about hera being absolutely wasted is kind of amusing
then zeus and her get into a fight, and that's scintillating feast
rustic gyro
Help, im on LC4 and im wondering if hydralite gold heals or is affected
bronze rapids
it doesn't heal
rustic gyro
Cool ill go with touch of styx
rustic gyro
Take it for the memes anyway
Im too low skill i actually wanna win lol
I was surprised the heart heals
rustic gyro
Sd
rustic gyro
Yeah i asked here yesterday and im following the advice wouldn't have made it this far if i hadnt lol
bronze rapids
you'd almost always want the first option unless you're sure you can handle everything at the 30% heal and want to keep Skull Earring's buff
rustic gyro
I messed up and went with bouldie doe
cursive portal
also midas's touch is basically free since you can just heal that lost health
rustic gyro
cursive portal
free gold 
bronze rapids
ow! wealth!
rustic gyro
I was tempted to get a chaos for the potential of a second cast but i was a coward
quartz mantle
you'd almost always want the first option unless you're sure you can handle ever...
You pretty much always wanna take it anyways even if you have earring
It’s not a dps loss if you just don’t die™️
quartz mantle
Basically
If you’re having trouble try focusing bull man first
Theseus alone isn’t that threatening
Is this EM3?
quartz mantle
Based
rustic gyro
This probly wont be the run
quartz mantle
EM4 goated fight tho
Yea just keep Theseus in his chariot while you’re fighting astereus
He just runs around like an idiot and doesn’t really do anything
Bull man on the other hand is threatening with his new armor
dapper schooner
I messed up and went with bouldie doe
bouldy isnt messing up
bouldy will save your run
hardy garden
hoary pasture
I was a genius and didn't notice i went em4
rustic gyro
Died once total hp is 285 restored to 157
Now i just gotta do em4 hades
Oh boy i have a predicament
I have to purge and i cant reroll
honest kernel
uh oh good luck
bronze rapids
the high heat experience
rustic gyro
Perished at phase 2
Can't believe i lasted so long
Dps wasn't chunky enough
And i lost concentration with too much dodging
rustic gyro
Yes i was
shy plinth
I'm sure you've gotten this advice before, but that is a very difficult pact option that super isn't necessary at 32
Fun fight if you know it but makes the run way harder
rustic gyro
Yeah ive done em4 and succeeded but on 15 or so heat
And a single 32 before but without em 4
Just really wanna be able to do both
shy plinth
It is atypical for 32 clears to include EM4 and a significant difficulty jump from what 32 usually is
You can set that goal for yourself if you want, just be aware of the extra challenge you're putting on yourself
rustic gyro
I mean after 200 hours im just seeking new thrills regardless of success 😁
I was close tho, i think with more dps I could have made it
What took away almost all my hp was the butterflies before phase 2
I couldn't kill them fast enough andthe screen was full
mossy zinc
If you want to do EM4 at 32 Heat, do like LC1 and go with DDs.
undone tartan
And stay away from FO and HL probably. And definitely stay away from CP and HS
rustic gyro
Hades is the only game where i have fun regardless if I'm losing or winning
flat flicker
Hades is the only game where i have fun regardless if I'm losing or winning
That’s a good attitude to have
dapper schooner
man i wish i could have that attitude
but when i have to reset 10 eris tarts in a row
it gets a bit hard
cursive portal
Hades is the only game where i have fun regardless if I'm losing or winning
this is fun
hoary pasture
lmao
pure lily
Pain
flat flicker
it gets a bit hard
Yeah I don’t go beyond 40 and only did 40 twice
rustic gyro
I did like 4 more 32 em4 attempts and each got worse, im tired for today lol. I was pumped to play cuz i finally got a pro controller for my switch since joycons are so uncomfortable with hades but i think i played too much for the past few days
quartz mantle
Breaks are good
hardy garden
chaos shield
gaunt fiber
EM4 Beo feels like cheating
Once you get a feeling of the fight with others aspects
Because first time EM4 is gonna be hard anyway
undone tartan
EM4 Beo feels like cheating
Is that so
It feels like I’m cheating…. myself out of the possibility of winning
flat flicker
Em4 fo1 big brain
hoary pasture
Idk
EM4 Beo compared to other aspects makes the fight a joke
It’s not an easy win or anything near that even
Just so good
Another weapon means you actually have to dodge lol
mossy zinc
It’s not an easy win or anything near that even
It's pretty easy if your build isn't limited yet.
Even with HL5 FO2.
Because he just dies so fast.
While you're blocking and Dragon-Rushing anything that could actually harm you.
Also before you have to actually take LC SD etc.
It's definitely harder when your build isn't as strong and you don't have all 3 DDs nor full health.
hoary pasture
Yea I’m mostly referring to 45+ which is significantly harder, but even at 50 Heat you still have AP1 RI0 so it’s easy to get a strong build, especially with Beo not needing a lot of boons to get good dmg
mossy zinc
Yeah, at 45 you'd be using LC4 and SD, so that leaves less room for error. Although with Touch of Styx Dark and one DD, it's pretty much the same as 3 DDs and full health.
Which you can't get consistently, but it's just a matter of doing more runs to eventually get it. Odds aren't too bad really.
Way higher in modded with 2-sack guarantee.
dapper schooner
does touch of styx dark apply to athena DDs
gaunt fiber
Is that so <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Compared to every other EM4 match up ofc. It's still not easy if your build is not super good. Especially with no Patty since there's room for mistakes / bad turns of event (Cerb, urns, you know them)
