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hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 AM

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and yeah, hestia is also extremely safe. unlike eris you dont have to be continually firing for dps and you have a while lot of range along with just oneshotting most things

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 AM

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It's how i like to play it

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 AM

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hardy garden and yeah, hestia is also extremely safe. unlike eris you dont have to be continu...

The downside to Hestia may be the speed tho

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 AM

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no?

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Bcs td3

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Hestia has no problem with speed.

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Ah OK

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:43 AM

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hestia easily deals with td3

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even boonless

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:43 AM

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I'm not so good at Hestia at speed

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:43 AM

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you want to get into a rhythm with hestia, not unlike bow

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:43 AM

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I really like to play hestia at a distance, methodically

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:43 AM

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the main thing is to reload immediately after a shot

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:44 AM

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Hestia is honestly right behind Eris in speed. But it takes a lot more practice tbh to get there with Hestia than it takes to get there with Eris.

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But sub 20 shouldn't be a problem.

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You don't really need to learn the aspect specifically to reach sub 20, you just need half-decent fundamentals.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:45 AM

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cast > dash> fire > dash/reload > special every two reloads > fire > repeat is about how hestia works out

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:45 AM

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Yea, when i clear on eris i get a sub 20. Last time i got a 16 minutes time, but that was at only td3 em2

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:45 AM

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That said, if you're having trouble still going fast with Hestia, then Eris of course would be a better choice for you.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:45 AM

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if you havent, id highly recommend rebinding reload to a shoulder button

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:46 AM

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I play mouse and keyboard

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:46 AM

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ahh. idk mnk bouldy

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:46 AM

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I have it bound to r, because reloading is muscle memory due to etg

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And bl2

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Etc

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:48 AM

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Might be better to move it to a mouse button if you can spare any, so you can move more freely while reloading.

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:52 AM

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I tried that, but it feels really weird, even at binding special to rmb, it just doesn't work for me. Q is the best key for reload i find, because it's right next to w

cursive portal Oct 13, 2021, 7:57 AM

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coarse acorn I tried that, but it feels really weird, even at binding special to rmb, it just...

Change to aim at cursor off for rail

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Its a world of difference

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:57 AM

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What does it do? Like, what difference does it make. I know it might be a dumb question

cursive portal Oct 13, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Aims for you

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Great on rail

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Where it can be a hassle

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Oh

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Aiming is indeed my biggest issue

cursive portal Oct 13, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Especially rapid fire rails like eris

coarse acorn Oct 13, 2021, 8:01 AM

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I definitely will, thanks

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First I'll try a 20 heat eris run tho

hoary pasture Oct 13, 2021, 8:03 AM

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cursive portal Change to aim at cursor off for rail

Do you turn that off for other things btw?

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Sword fists etc

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I usually just use it on Eris Lucifer, I tried it on Nemesis and fists but it feels whacky

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:07 AM

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so like it just picks the closest enemy and shoots at them thanthink

hoary pasture Oct 13, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Yes

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Eric Lucifer? courte5Wut

cursive portal Oct 13, 2021, 8:14 AM

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hoary pasture Do you turn that off for other things btw?

Fists optional

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Rest aim at cursor

hoary pasture Oct 13, 2021, 8:17 AM

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Oke

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 8:53 AM

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https://gyazo.com/f7c123ca7750a1dcc3b165a1f20a60a0 Brightswords are mean

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Stunlocking them isn't a thing

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:28 AM

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honest kernel https://gyazo.com/f7c123ca7750a1dcc3b165a1f20a60a0 Brightswords are mean

Yeah, they can use their side dash during hitstun. m very sure they can't use it back-to-back, though. So if you bait out their side dash, you can stunlock them after.

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Because their next action can't be another side dash.

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I could be wrong, but... m pretty confident that's correct.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:29 AM

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You might be right on that

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Still a bit annoying that they can move and hit me at their leisure

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shadedisgruntled

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Blocking isn't even that reliable because they can just sneak behind me, or trigger the "block-get hit on the same hit" bug

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:31 AM

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Good thing is Zeus Aspect can bait out the dash safely.

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So you can probably make something work.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:31 AM

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on 2 dashes, sure

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on 1 dash, not so much. It's not that I can't do it, it's that it's slow

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Oh cool I baited the dash, now by the time I approach they already did a shockwave and can then do the dash again

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The shockwave and direct approach moves are fine and baitable, it's the dash that trips me

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especially when other enemies are present

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:33 AM

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m too busy with Street Fighter to try out tactics in-game, unfortunately. You're on your own. dusa

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:34 AM

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Yup. Mostly venting it out because they often represent the most damage I take in Elysium

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That, and anything speeder

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:34 AM

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I feel you. Brightswords are scary.

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Speeder Slugger Brightswords, Speeder Savior Greatshields, and Speeder something Chariots are probably the three worst enemies you can get.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:36 AM

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Honestly Chariots aren't that bad on speeder

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at 'least on their own

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But Speedy Archers, on the other end

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oh boi

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:36 AM

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Oh yeah, with one dash you can't just dash out of range lol.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:36 AM

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I have to pull some shenanigans to play around them

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If you want to see what I am talking about, Speedrunning discord High Heat channel. Posted a video where I did a 34 Erebus with archers

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Not quite speedy, but I have to pull some tricks to get around them

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And erebus archers are hell

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They don't stop firing

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Pretty sure I even had Second Wind proc there too to save my butt

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:39 AM

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Yeah, I've done plenty of mirrorless runs. I just wasn't thinking of single-dash when I wrote that lol.

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Superelite Strongbows are something else lol.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:39 AM

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Honestly I'm glad EM4 doesn't summon them

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But Sneak is a close second

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shadedisgruntled

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:40 AM

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Fidi is your friend. Not like anyone ever listens to me. courte5Wut

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:40 AM

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Actually, how much damage does Fidi do

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Real talk

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:41 AM

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Fidi does 10 attacks of 5-6 shots that do 70 damage each.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:41 AM

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so 3500-4200 damage assuming all the shots connect

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:42 AM

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Right.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:42 AM

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It is spread out, so could miss, or hit an impervious shield

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But that's better then I thought

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:42 AM

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And Dusa blocks projectiles while floating around.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:42 AM

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Honestly I'll play around with her

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I'm mostly using my megs late anyways, and don't mind using my summon for erebus gates

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So that could be really helpful

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:43 AM

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And there's also this canon dialogue between Dusa and Meg about Fidi. https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorIgnorantClipsdadStoneLightning-j0BDRqs4Z3OkG8Yh

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honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Honestly the more I think about it the more Fidi fits with what I am attempting

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Even for just Styx miniboss and EM4 alone she could be better

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Yeah, and Erebus.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Due to her stun ability

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Better at tanking damage than Skelly.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Skelly lost it's niche the moment all summons were allowed against Hades

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bouldy

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Yeah lol.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:45 AM

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It was him or Bouldy at the time

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Welp now I know what to do next in my future attempts.

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Butterfly Miniboss, Heroes, Styx miniboss, Hades are my main summon targets right now. Flex for an Erebus Gate or earlier miniboss Summon that I could totally skip on, and that's basically it

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Wouldn't change much with Fidi keepsake.

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slightly worse for Heroes, arguably better everywhere else

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thanthink

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:57 AM

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Probably worse for the Dire Soulcatcher. Meg's burst damage helps quite a bit with preventing Exalted spawns.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 9:57 AM

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I won't have enough damage to prevent the spawns

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Or, in other words, it's always gonna have the opportunity to teleport away

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I still end up having to stay in that room for like 30+ seconds on a good build

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In which case Fidi is likely to help out more, either in damaging the Butterfly Ball or by damaging the spawns

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Not even meg will help against the CP2 variant. Doesn't even shred the entire armor off

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Yeah, then Fidi.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 10:02 AM

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Rewatching the vod, on the best build of the night I had, it took 18 seconds to clear out the room

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Which had Heroic lvl 4 Zeus Special with a Zeus Aid

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And the spawns were in the Explosive Return range so I could deal with them easier

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That was with a meg summon

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Anything lesser then that is going to take some time

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And I assume it won't take too much longer with Fidi, and Dusa will stick around for the spawns left

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 10:04 AM

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And petrify some of them.

honest kernel Oct 13, 2021, 10:04 AM

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Also means I can play it safer too, which is important

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Meanwhile, petrifying the Styx minibosses and Hades EM4 summons would be really frickin' nice

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Will see how it feels in my next attempts

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 10:17 AM

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Fidi rules supreme.

next acorn Oct 13, 2021, 2:20 PM

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👀

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 3:36 PM

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32 zag bow complete

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Explosive shot is pretty based ngl

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On zag bow it feels like the slower shot isn’t as big a deal as on Rama

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 3:38 PM

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I mean that's because it's faster than Rama's lol

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Whatever, finally got that win lol

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ZeldaDance

gaunt fiber Oct 13, 2021, 5:20 PM

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ez

sudden loom Oct 13, 2021, 5:41 PM

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Small Zelda :D

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 5:52 PM

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gaunt fiber ez

easy game

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pew pew

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ZeldaTwirl @sudden loom

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ZeldaYay ZeldaTwirl

sudden loom Oct 13, 2021, 5:54 PM

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zagluv

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 5:58 PM

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was nitro worth it?

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yes

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it was

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PeepoShrug

gaunt fiber Oct 13, 2021, 6:00 PM

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it absolutely is mate linkShrug

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Lando3

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AphroditeSticker DionysusSticker

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ok im done

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anyway

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zag rail 32 next

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with shotgun fire thing

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 6:29 PM

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flat flicker zag rail 32 next

40*

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 6:30 PM

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I still gotta do beo 40

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 6:30 PM

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flat flicker I still gotta do beo 40

45*

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 6:32 PM

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Zulda

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:50 PM

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What’s a good pact for 40 heat nemesis?

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:50 PM

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Hell mode or normal?

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:51 PM

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Normal

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There is no way to add hell mode if you don’t start with it right?

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:51 PM

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HL5 LC4 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS AP1 TD3 should be decent.

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Not without mods, no.

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Could swap out AP1 for CF1 JS2.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:53 PM

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That gives me 39 heat

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Because Nemesis hammers are pretty bad except for a few specific ones.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:53 PM

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I have double strike start

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Routed

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Seeded* but yeah.

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:54 PM

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I assume you mean seeded, yeah.

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Ah.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:54 PM

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mossy zinc HL5 LC4 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS AP1 TD3 should be decent.

I’m doing this + cf1

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Forgot the JS1 in the original pact.

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I'd recommend JS1 over CF1.

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CF0 lets you buy a whole lot more stuff.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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I’ll do js2 + cf cause ap keeps crossing out my double strike lol

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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And it's not really much of a problem since the JS1 enemies will still just have defeault HP.

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Yeah, go with that then.

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Should be fine with Double Edge start.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Now the question is crit build or ME

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Neither probably

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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:(

left prism Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Aphro into smoldering air is a choice too

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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like my 40 nemesis was ME without ME

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Heartbreak Strike start, I'd say.

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That or Divine Dash.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:57 PM

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but aphro attack is probably gunna give the most consistency

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 7:57 PM

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I think either Smoldering Air or Tidal Dash cheesing are probably your most consistent routes

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Though you don't really need Tidal Dash if you seed Double Edge

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:58 PM

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What’s the tidal dash cheese

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Or is it just normal tidal dash being op

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Tidal Dash cheese is just that Tidal Dash is pretty much good enough to win runs by itself lol. The cheese is if you get Rip Current

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Tidal Dash Nemesis strats typically use Heartbreak Strike, too, as a matter of fact. So might as well go with Heartbreak Strike.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:59 PM

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smouldering air rip current

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shadeohboy

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Also would you say best hammer combo is double strike + piercing?

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Double Edge.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 7:59 PM

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or dedge breaching maybe

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Double Strike is a Lord Zeus boon.

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Your second hammer is largely irrelevant. Piercing is a good option. Breaching likely better on average

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:00 PM

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I'd take Piercing over Breaching any day of the week. dusa

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There's also the Retrash build that you could do.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Which is?

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:01 PM

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I think we're all still trying to figure that out, but it works somehow. courte5Wut

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Sometimes it's Drunken Strike.

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Sometimes it's Blade Dash.

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Sometimes it's Drunken Dash with no Attack boon.

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:03 PM

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It's typically Coin Purse > Be really good at the game

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:05 PM

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They're more strats for 50+ where you need to deal with very different problems, anyway.

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Like all of those handle DC really well, for example.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Ok I got myself a good build going

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Aphro attack + special

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Divine dash and bonus backstab

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I’ll go for Zeus in asphodel

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Yeah sounds promising.

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:09 PM

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I'd go for Owl Pendant in Asphodel, better chance to get DDs.

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:09 PM

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I tend to build for greed on Stygius always, I need to get carried

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Too late

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I’m getting more Athena anyways

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:10 PM

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So I would have erred towards Zeus too lol

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:10 PM

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bronze viper I tend to build for greed on Stygius always, I need to get carried

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/378698566924763148/848044745493446656/postthisifnyatypes.gif

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I didn't really "earn" any of my 40 Stygius clears lol. Dumb high roll dash strats and Smoldering Air did that for me.

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(I'm being sarcastic. There isn't really any such thing as "deserving" a clear. A clear is a clear, and whatever strategy gets you there is valid)

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Meme beam Rama

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bigbrain

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:13 PM

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lol, is there a meaningful interaction there I'm missing?

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I mean I'm totally down if there is

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Deadly Strike + Frost Flourish is a decent combo.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Had to sell epic swift flourish :(

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 8:14 PM

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bronze viper lol, is there a meaningful interaction there I'm missing?

Lol I got fully loaded in Tartarus once running Stygian and just kinda rolled with it

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:14 PM

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If you can get Crystal Clarity on top of that, it's pretty decent.

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:14 PM

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LOL

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Okay I guess that works

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 8:15 PM

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I had to decide between clarity and fully loaded in the end shop before Meg

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I went fully loaded because then I wouldn’t care about selling support fire

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:15 PM

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What do I take from : cursed slash, dash nova or world splitter

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They all seem garbage

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:15 PM

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glass blade What do I take from : cursed slash, dash nova or world splitter

nova

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Dash nova will screw you up the least

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:15 PM

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So it err.. goes from decent to pretty decent.

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Oh wow what a smorgasbord of options

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Stygius is such a delight

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Dash Nova.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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The lunge is so big

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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nova can be useful

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Cursed slash is a meme

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Dash Nova is great, and has the fail rate of being Dash Nova if you're not used to it.

flat flicker Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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World splitter is also a meme

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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use it to run the heck away after dash combos

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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I hate this

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I’m missing so many specials

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Yyeep

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I cannot do Dash Nova lol.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:17 PM

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like at the end of dash striking youre outta dashes is the problem usually so dash nova lends you more safety

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:17 PM

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Because I have not played enough to be able to.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:17 PM

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it takes getting used to though

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lol

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:18 PM

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I’d like hoarding slash

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1k coin

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Athena gave me ‘replenish one use of stubborn defiance’

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Does that do anything?

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Considering I didn’t have mine at the time

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:21 PM

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That's interesting. You're attempting 40 without ever having encountered Athena DDs with SD? Impressive lol.

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:21 PM

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lol it gives you a whole dd

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in addition to your sd

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Technically, it's 60% of a DD because it heals to 30% instead of 50%.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:22 PM

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Yeah that’s what I thought it did

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:23 PM

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So, not a whole DD.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:23 PM

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I got the ‘impervious for 3 seconds’

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:23 PM

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That's definitely the less good one but they're both obviously insane

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 8:23 PM

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That's why I said earlier to take the Owl Pendant into Asphodel to get DDs, yeah.

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:25 PM

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I got scammed

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Oh it doesn’t say replenish one use

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It just says makes you impervious longer

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Did you already lose your SD in that room before picking up the Athena boon?

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Yes

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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The boon does basically nothing if you haven't

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So... no scam?

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You should be good

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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I got nothing extra though

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:29 PM

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It won't look like much, just a different icon until you enter the next room, after which you'll get your SD back in a second slot

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Dad fight time

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My dps sucks

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Styx without tidal dash is so slow

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Haven’t done that in a while

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:32 PM

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I'm going to call BS on DPS sucking with double edge heartbreak strike lol. Good luck!

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Done

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Ez pz

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I had level 2 attack only

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17 hp remaining

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40 heat done on rail and blade

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Maybe if I remembered to turn on gods legacy I could’ve gotten smoldering air

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Back to speed running

elfin rock Oct 13, 2021, 8:36 PM

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world splitter on nemesis right

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:37 PM

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I didn’t take it

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I took dash nova

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First try btw 😎

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:39 PM

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onehit gaming

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:42 PM

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What would you recommend for the next heat landmark?

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45?

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Also are the same weapons that are great at 32 heat still great at 40+ heat?

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Some start to fall off. Stygius namely lol

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But it's still mostly consistent. I don't think there's an appreciable difference in viability from 32 -> 40 but definitely 40 -> 45 and especially 45 -> 50

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:47 PM

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I’m just scared of ap and ri

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:47 PM

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Probably the most surprising dropoff is Eris, which really starts to struggle around 50

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It's still extremely good, but you also have to be extremely good haha, it's no longer a free ride

glass blade Oct 13, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Why Eris?

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:48 PM

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AP and RI, along with beefier enemies, BP2, taking more damage, being able to damage less safely

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You can't rely on the old process of just killing everything before it can touch you, and for every iframe dash you do, you're sacrificing DPS, and for every second of DPS you do, you're putting yourself at risk

shy plinth Oct 13, 2021, 8:50 PM

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D E L T A C H A M B E R

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:50 PM

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Lol, yeah just learned today apparently that it gives you iframes during dash strike somehow?

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Pretty dece

hardy garden Oct 13, 2021, 8:50 PM

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ye

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beowulf for 50 heat is pog

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:51 PM

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Yeah beowulf be dummy thicc

left prism Oct 13, 2021, 8:52 PM

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Just start doing ap2 eris with drunken strike eris, ignore all boons for poms bouldy

eternal hare Oct 13, 2021, 8:52 PM

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legitimately a good strategy for 50-heat eris

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:52 PM

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I did Drunken Eris RI1 for 50 lol. Felt slightly cursed but I was getting mega salt from missing/crossed out Static Discharge like 5 runs in a row

left prism Oct 13, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Drunken strike is fun in general too tbh

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 8:53 PM

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Oh yeah it's surprisingly great

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Not like "oh I have all the Zooses" great but like, you know, reasonable aspect great

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:13 PM

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bronze viper Probably the most surprising dropoff is Eris, which really starts to struggle ar...

I don't agree with "struggle" at all. I mean as much as any top tier aspect, sure. But no more than that.

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Comparative to the freeroll that is 32 or 40 Eris

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You actually have to start playing the game lol

mossy zinc Oct 13, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Well yeah lol.

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No disagreement there.

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 9:15 PM

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As compared to like, Beowulf, which gets to continue ignoring the game's mechanics until like 54

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And Zeus... at like 60 lol

cursive portal Oct 13, 2021, 10:07 PM

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does sword really care tbh

bronze viper Oct 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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no it's basically... the same aspect lol

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for ~~better or~~ worse

unique zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 11:03 PM

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So I started playing again

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got a lot of rust to shake off...trying nemesis sword 40 right now

rancid pivot Oct 13, 2021, 11:54 PM

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How do you deal with armored chariots summoned by Hades?

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With FO2.

shy plinth Oct 14, 2021, 12:01 AM

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How do you normally deal with them in Ely

rancid pivot Oct 14, 2021, 12:02 AM

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I haven't seen them much on FO2 outside of the Hades fight and they're 3 for 3 on me.

shy plinth Oct 14, 2021, 12:02 AM

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I would probs draw them away and focus them down but not sure what heat/config/aspect you're dealing with

rancid pivot Oct 14, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Do I just have to dash away from them? Every time I try to dash behind them, they just turn and hit me.

shy plinth Oct 14, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Have you tried dashing through? They stop moving after taking big enough chunks of damage

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What pact, mirror, aspect you using?

unborn fjord Oct 14, 2021, 2:02 AM

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going from 40 heat to 45 is so jarring, more so than just going from 15 to 40 tbh

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AP hurts me so much

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might also be that I take CP too

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 2:17 AM

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unborn fjord AP hurts me so much

If I had to guess this is probably most of your heartache. It takes a while to build a thick skin for AP. 40->45 either forces you to maximize how difficult normal rooms are, or starts making runs inconsistent.

I think from my experience it feels maybe equal to the jump from 32->40.

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The difference maker is probably the aspect's resilience to DC.

hardy garden Oct 14, 2021, 2:36 AM

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okay maybe trying this out was a bad idea bouldy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/898036202832293928/unknown.png

hardy garden Oct 14, 2021, 3:07 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/898044301462863952/unknown.png

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ap2 doesnt matter if you get all the boons you want bouldy

unborn fjord Oct 14, 2021, 3:07 AM

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just have luck bouldy

hardy garden Oct 14, 2021, 3:08 AM

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watch me lose this blessed run dusa

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wtf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/898045453034225684/unknown.png

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........ this is worse than having regular rng

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patty too...

unborn fjord Oct 14, 2021, 3:16 AM

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yikers

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what aspect

bronze rapids Oct 14, 2021, 3:18 AM

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That's Hestia

hardy garden Oct 14, 2021, 3:18 AM

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bruh.... i do not deserve this

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this is just stupid

shy gulch Oct 14, 2021, 3:19 AM

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such is hades the video game

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do ur best, good luck

hoary pasture Oct 14, 2021, 3:24 AM

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What a gamer

hardy garden Oct 14, 2021, 3:27 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/898049435244851280/unknown.png

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least deserved 50 heat to ever exist

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even lost my sd after walking into lasers while getting the last hit bouldy

bronze rapids Oct 14, 2021, 3:33 AM

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tbh for 50 it's fine

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:34 AM

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hardy garden even lost my sd after walking into lasers while getting the last hit <:bouldy:52...

I'm shocked he was even able to cast his lasers lol

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What with pressing Special and basically uninstalling Dad

bronze rapids Oct 14, 2021, 3:40 AM

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hardy garden least deserved 50 heat to ever exist

How's CP and JS free again? Bc clockets deleted everything?

hardy garden Oct 14, 2021, 3:41 AM

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bronze rapids How's CP and JS free again? Bc clockets deleted everything?

yep

bronze rapids Oct 14, 2021, 3:41 AM

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fun stuff

hoary pasture Oct 14, 2021, 1:37 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/898202727895679026/Hades_EoxPuJ3VvF.png

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shadedisgruntled

glass blade Oct 14, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Died to hades at 40 heat Zeus shield due to td :(

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I had + 113% special from chaos

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I missed td in all biomes except aspho

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 2:22 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772234405385207818/898212653502185522/unknown.png
Struggling very hard to conserve HPs and go through last phase bouldy Any advice from EM4 veterans would be greatly appreciated dusa (Boonless Talos heavy-long, no buff/average run, already 4:30 elapsed)

gaunt fiber Oct 14, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Imo, summon in phase 1, try to make it as short as possible. You can no hit phase 2 with sheer practice. Phase 3 is hell, but practice too

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I'm not veteran but this is how I feel

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Single dash?

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If yes don't single dash EM4

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Not on Malphon

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:13 PM

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Doggo is always a random factor for phase 2 though. Especially since Dad becomes active during the volleys lol

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It's mitigatable but still very random.

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:37 PM

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bronze viper Doggo is always a random factor for phase 2 though. Especially since Dad become...

Yeah and it seems like doggo's boulders got reworked since last time I got there (less boulders, wider boulder area).
Got wiped once because Dad spawned right on my position into ultra lasers right after Cerberus call (even though I know that spawn locations are a thing) bouldy

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:38 PM

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gaunt fiber If yes don't single dash EM4

squirtyay

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:39 PM

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ashen garnet https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772234405385207818/898212653502185522/u...

Use Fidi for phase 1 when he summons adds.

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:39 PM

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gaunt fiber Imo, summon in phase 1, try to make it as short as possible. You can no hit phas...

Using it at 33% of P1, but kinda ignoring/praying for 1st spawns to be kind. Thought it could have some uses to break more urns and impede P2/3 healing, but idk

gaunt fiber Oct 14, 2021, 3:40 PM

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Nah

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Phase 1 is super random

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:41 PM

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mossy zinc Use Fidi for phase 1 when he summons adds.

Will give fidi a shot then dusa but with good spawns I can have RR up almost all the time

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Alternatively, summon Fidi during Cerberus call for i-frames, Dusa will stick around and do decent damage afterwards.

gaunt fiber Oct 14, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Must eliminate random factors

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Geez, atticor evolved from RI3 to Mirrorless?

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

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atticor finished all aspects mirrorless 32+ quite awhile ago now.

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

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I'd summon Fidi once you broke the armor of a Summon the earliest. The Damage she actually manages to dish out didn't seem that high so far.

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

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bronze viper Geez, atticor evolved from RI3 to Mirrorless?

Kinda devolved from that already.

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:42 PM

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Fidi does 10 attacks of 5-6 shots that do 70 damage each.

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:43 PM

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But they're slow and not long range

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:43 PM

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She doesn't miss much when there are multiple summons.

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She also tanks projectiles.

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She'll probably do less damage than Meg, but she sticks around to tank projectile hits. That's pretty big if you're dealing with a Wretched Sneak summon, for example.

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Or two even.

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Lol there aren't enough Dusa in the world to protect you from double Sneak

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:44 PM

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I had some ~800 damage against Tart stuff with full summon duration. The tanking is real though if you learn to use it.

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:44 PM

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Try doing that with Skelly, Skelly will just die. courte5Wut

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She can also solo Erebus when you enter from Tartarus lol.

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:45 PM

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My current approach for double sneak p1p3 is to go back home and try again.

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:45 PM

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At least early ones.

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:45 PM

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bronze viper Lol there aren't enough Dusa in the world to protect you from double Sneak

She helps more than any other summon, though.

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Fair

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:46 PM

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bronze viper Lol there aren't enough Dusa in the world to protect you from double Sneak

Honestly double sneak is still ok with RR. Got a try with 4 of them and it was bullet hell bouldy

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:46 PM

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4...?

mossy zinc Oct 14, 2021, 3:46 PM

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No, you're already on the surface. It's not hell.

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Maybe Dad became Sneak too thanthink

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:47 PM

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EM8, Dad just yeets Sneaks at you instead of Skulls

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:47 PM

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bronze viper 4...?

Not getting rid of 2 sneaks into 2 more sneaks at 33% bouldy

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Phase 1 p2 is 1 summon

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:48 PM

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then it was 3 and I did miscount on account of teleports

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Though in fairness, triple sneak is not that different from quadruple Sneak. You're still dead

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:49 PM

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I guess Fidi is a good i-frame summon too

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Does that vary per summon?

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Or just because she does stuff after you summon her

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:49 PM

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i mean it doesn't "miss"

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Yeah

ashen garnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Thing is, committing damage to get rid of summons while Dad is still attacking you does not feel worthy

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(at least in my setup)

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Lol, in EM4, you just do what you can. Optimality is for Retrashes

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:56 PM

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What would be another bad Aspect to do FF with? Except Lucifer.

bronze viper Oct 14, 2021, 3:58 PM

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zag sword ayo

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🙃

waxen relic Oct 14, 2021, 3:58 PM

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f10

next acorn Oct 14, 2021, 9:03 PM

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F10 dead

gaunt fiber Oct 14, 2021, 9:04 PM

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Can we get 10 F for F10?

next acorn Oct 14, 2021, 9:05 PM

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F

flat flicker Oct 14, 2021, 9:10 PM

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5747_Fortnite_F PES2_F PES_F f10 FoS 🇫

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good enough

hardy garden Oct 15, 2021, 3:48 AM

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when ap1 crosses out athena dds bouldy

next acorn Oct 15, 2021, 4:48 AM

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When ap1 bouldy

gaunt fiber Oct 15, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Ty ty

bronze rapids Oct 15, 2021, 4:11 PM

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37 Zag bow done whee

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Flurry Twin carried

bronze viper Oct 15, 2021, 6:17 PM

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37 is a cursed number lol. What 3 did you really not want for 40?

bronze rapids Oct 15, 2021, 6:21 PM

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tbh I just picked it so that my yolo Eris run was not the only one at 37

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/898636737025278052/2021101511581900-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

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I guess FO2?

bronze viper Oct 15, 2021, 6:46 PM

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Probably lol. Nice solution though, keeping the other cursed number company

bronze rapids Oct 15, 2021, 6:54 PM

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37 is prime so it's a nice number

bronze viper Oct 15, 2021, 6:56 PM

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pff, 40 has more prime factors,

mossy zinc Oct 15, 2021, 6:56 PM

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courte5Wut

shy plinth Oct 15, 2021, 6:57 PM

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I dunno what's wrong with 37

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It's evenly divisible by 1

gaunt fiber Oct 15, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Prime number heat zagPls

bronze rapids Oct 15, 2021, 7:03 PM

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time for 61 dusa

bronze rapids Oct 16, 2021, 1:00 AM

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bronze viper Probably lol. Nice solution though, keeping the other cursed number company

Joke's on me, yoloed a Beo 40 so now that needs company

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 5:05 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/898798693703102544/unknown.png huh...

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/898800473744760842/unknown.png

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huh.......

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 5:31 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/898802604698640406/Hades_10_15_2021_10_18_14_PM.png

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noice

bronze rapids Oct 16, 2021, 5:48 AM

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AP1 Flurry Twin? Nice

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 5:48 AM

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well modpack guaranteed twin lol

bronze rapids Oct 16, 2021, 5:48 AM

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Ah

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 5:49 AM

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i like got explosive and pointblank in the two previous runs

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where i may or may not have killed myself at dad dusa

bronze rapids Oct 16, 2021, 5:49 AM

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~~my unmodded unseeded AP2 Perfect Twin still poggest then~~

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 6:02 AM

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bronze rapids ~~my unmodded unseeded AP2 Perfect Twin still poggest then~~

~~well 50 ap2 heat hestia clockets with heroic arty special swap and epic chaos flourish~~

bronze rapids Oct 16, 2021, 6:03 AM

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yeah that's next level ngl

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 11:13 AM

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Does Relentless Volley make the Special animation longer on Chiron?
No. At 60 frames per second, Chiron's Special has 47 frames of animation and can be canceled into Dash from frame 27 on, and that's the same for Relentless Volley.

next acorn Oct 16, 2021, 2:42 PM

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poggie

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 5:37 PM

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ive been lied to my whole life residentzag

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 5:38 PM

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Not by me. I've been saying it doesn't make it longer from the start. courte5Wut

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 7:48 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/899020954729066547/Hades_10_16_2021_12_42_03_PM.png

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stonks

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also holy

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bouldy

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bot

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/899021006990110770/Hades_10_16_2021_12_45_18_PM.png

pseudo kernel Oct 16, 2021, 7:49 PM

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reverse ME pog

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 7:49 PM

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banne dusa

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 7:49 PM

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imma be mad if I mess this up

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 7:50 PM

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gl

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 7:55 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/899022586112016434/Hades_10_16_2021_12_53_09_PM.png residentzag time to scuff dad fight

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 7:56 PM

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You got it

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72 hp pretty gud

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bouldy

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 7:57 PM

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and i f-d it up dusa

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bouldy probably shouldve used bros to phase

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and dodged more

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 7:58 PM

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ripppp

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 7:59 PM

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i was about 5% to last phase

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then i couldve summoned and used aphro call to insta kill him

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bouldy got hit too many times early on

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probably shouldve acorn scummed

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ngl dad was the easiest part with how much time i had left lmao

honest kernel Oct 16, 2021, 8:05 PM

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how many hours do y’all have in the game? just curious

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 8:06 PM

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dunno. 100-200

pseudo kernel Oct 16, 2021, 8:06 PM

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i have 440

honest kernel Oct 16, 2021, 8:07 PM

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not as much as i’d thought honestly

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wish i could see mine but i’m on ps4

waxen relic Oct 16, 2021, 8:10 PM

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hmm still just 787 hours

honest kernel Oct 16, 2021, 8:12 PM

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by the time i was finished with my speedrunning dark souls stuff i had like, 3k hours i think

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maybe i’ll obsess over this game too 🙂

gaunt fiber Oct 16, 2021, 8:13 PM

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oh what categories?

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Those are some low numbers. dusa

waxen relic Oct 16, 2021, 8:17 PM

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.. it actually just became the highest number on my Steam Account shadeembarassed

quartz mantle Oct 16, 2021, 8:17 PM

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I’m around 450 I believe

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 8:19 PM

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I have more hours than @hardy garden, @pseudo kernel, and @quartz mantle combined. courte5Wut

pseudo kernel Oct 16, 2021, 8:19 PM

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bouldy

quartz mantle Oct 16, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Damb

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 8:20 PM

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okey

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 8:25 PM

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And more messages than the last 10 people other than me in this channel combined. courte5Wut

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 8:26 PM

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bouldy

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im still cringing at how much i rushed that dad fight

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tbh just sitting around and skewering is a bit cheesey

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 8:27 PM

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If it works, it works.

waxen relic Oct 16, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Still less cheese than sitting at the edge of the map with Beo-block up.

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 8:29 PM

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There's no "cheese". There are good tactics, and there are bad tactics.

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If it's effective, do it.

waxen relic Oct 16, 2021, 8:29 PM

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I like cheese though.

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 8:29 PM

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cheese gud

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 8:30 PM

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If you think it's too easy, raise the Heat.

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 8:30 PM

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well at least i know i can do 40 heat lvl 1 hc guan yu. dusa

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what again justifies this aspect cutting your health by 70% bouldy

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Just gotta retry for Merciful end again bouldy

gaunt fiber Oct 16, 2021, 8:46 PM

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hardy garden what again justifies this aspect cutting your health by 70% <:bouldy:52332911693...

Don't get me started on that zagSad

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but lv 1 GY is a fun challenge

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https://imgur.com/qFO6HnF

Imgur

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this is my lv 40 one

glass blade Oct 16, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Would you say it’s worth it to anvil : running dio beo at 40 heat, I have dashing wallop and breaching rush

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Gold is not an issue

quartz mantle Oct 16, 2021, 9:42 PM

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No

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Wait

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Nvm it’s trippy flare

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Yes

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Anvil for the funnies

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And if you get charged shot then you’re epic

glass blade Oct 16, 2021, 9:43 PM

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There’s nothing that can make me worse right?

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Like how sword hammers do

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It’s either hammer or big Pom

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 9:44 PM

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I would probably settle for a big pom

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But you can gamble

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Cant be that bad right bouldy

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Well Special hammers are bad but they wont ruin your run

glass blade Oct 16, 2021, 9:47 PM

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Lost dashing wallop

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Minatori rush and unyielding defense

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Is the power rush worth it

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Not really

glass blade Oct 16, 2021, 9:50 PM

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Ez win

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Epic cast , 4 casts

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Mirage shot

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5k per rush

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Only took resetting 10+ times cause I had epic cast

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 9:54 PM

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Trippy Flare poms are so good that I reeeeally don't think Anvil was the right choice.

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Not that it mattered.

hoary pasture Oct 16, 2021, 9:56 PM

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Nice

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 9:57 PM

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If you're not aware of it, poms on Trippy Flare add twice as much as the in-game text shows.

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And it would already have the best pom scaling of any Cast if that wasn't the case.

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The first pom on Passion Flare, which has the second highest pom scaling, is +48 damage. The first pom on Trippy Flare is +120 damage.

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That's 2.5x more.

shy plinth Oct 16, 2021, 10:05 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668865849079103539/899055353625460817/unknown.png

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She's right!

bronze rapids Oct 16, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Hestia 40 hammer 1: Riccochet, Rocket, or Cluster?

mossy zinc Oct 16, 2021, 10:27 PM

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shy plinth She's right!

https://tenor.com/view/im-right-hermione-harry-potter-emma-watson-gif-5055759

Tenor

im right

▶ Play video

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 10:31 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/FoNnLzq bleh no hit lernie for the first time in a while

Imgur

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ME plus calculated risk in asphodel ron

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I like how I spent 5 seconds just running around tryna use my call with my broke as heck left bumper

left prism Oct 16, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Re map it to a button that works then dusa

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 10:41 PM

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left prism Re map it to a button that works then <:dusa:522248771409543188>

time for left stick click call bouldy

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actually that might be a good idea

quartz mantle Oct 16, 2021, 10:41 PM

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That sounds like a pretty good idea

hardy garden Oct 16, 2021, 11:20 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/899074384541659136/unknown.png

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bleh

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~~may or may not have save scummed one elysium chamber I died in after starting again cold after lunch~~

bronze rapids Oct 16, 2021, 11:51 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/899082135233777694/20211016_195036.jpg

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bleh 2

hoary pasture Oct 17, 2021, 7:22 AM

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hardy garden https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/899074384541659136/unk...

Nice

glass blade Oct 17, 2021, 9:37 AM

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Whats a good 40 heat spear build?

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I’ve just been doing the speedrun build with no success

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I have seeded flurry jab first room

mossy zinc Oct 17, 2021, 9:39 AM

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What spear?

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Achilles?

glass blade Oct 17, 2021, 9:40 AM

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Yeah

hoary pasture Oct 17, 2021, 9:40 AM

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I used just Zeus basically

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With Divine Dash for safety

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/899230204889804850/image0.png

honest kernel Oct 17, 2021, 9:41 AM

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beam or blades is also neat

hoary pasture Oct 17, 2021, 9:42 AM

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Lightning Phalanx gud squirtdevious

mossy zinc Oct 17, 2021, 9:44 AM

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Heartbreak Strike start and picking up Divine Dash, Tidal Dash, or Zeus' Aid is pretty good, too. Also Passion Dash start can be very effective.

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But you can also just try Tidal Dash start again. One failed run doesn't mean the build wasn't working.

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Pom Blossom start and pick up the first Cast you see and build around it.

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Divine Dash start. Phalanx Shot start.

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Curse of Agony start for Merciful End.

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Blade Dash start.

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Drunken Strike start.

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Any Cast start.

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Divine Strike. Frost Strike probably can be pretty good...

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Coin Purse.

flat flicker Oct 17, 2021, 10:08 AM

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Artemis into (blade rift/meme beam) whichever pops first pepega

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I love opening coin purse

mossy zinc Oct 17, 2021, 10:09 AM

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Yeah, that's a pretty good start, too.

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Yeah, opening a Coin Purse and finding coins in it is fun.

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I suspect the build wasn't the cause of death, though. dusa

mossy zinc Oct 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
courte5EternalRose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

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Sec, in a SFV match.

distant musk Oct 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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oh stubborn def

hoary pasture Oct 17, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Yea SD with LC4 is a great pick

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Idk if I'd take that pact

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No FO

distant musk Oct 17, 2021, 2:08 PM

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what boons should I pick up with aphro? (im not used to acronyms sorry lol)

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I'm assuming it's dash from athena

hoary pasture Oct 17, 2021, 2:09 PM

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What's the aspect in question

distant musk Oct 17, 2021, 2:09 PM

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oh right

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aspect

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uuuugh

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eris..?

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maybe rama...?

hoary pasture Oct 17, 2021, 2:10 PM

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With Rama you'd take Artemis or Aphro on the attack, and some dmg Special along the way like Zeus Dio Ares

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You'd be looking for Dash or DDs from Athena

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Eris I would just play Zeus on the attack, look for static discharge, any % on Special should be fine, preferably Aphro or Artemis, not Poseidon

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Same thing with Athena, if you're confident you can take Poseidon into Aspho and take his dash instead

distant musk Oct 17, 2021, 2:14 PM

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oh oh aphro attack on rama thank you

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is it because aphro has the highest %?

hoary pasture Oct 17, 2021, 2:16 PM

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distant musk is it because aphro has the highest %?

Yes, it's consistent and also applies Weak, which is dmg reduction

distant musk Oct 17, 2021, 2:16 PM

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thank you nectar

mossy zinc Oct 17, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Damage and Weak is why courte5EternalRose is the first keepsake in the guide. She also gives you easy access to Life Affirmation, Smoldering Air, and more damage reduction.

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All of which help surivavibility a lot.

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Owl Pendant in Asphodel is to get ideally Divine Dash and then DDs from her. When you've used up your SD in a chamber and take her Last Stand or Deathless Stand, she'll "replenish" a DD, and then you also get your SD back when you enter the next chamber.

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So you can get two DDs from her that way.

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She also has more damage reduction, a Call that gives more survivability, and Sure Footing to help with any traps.

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I'd only recommend a different start on Eris and maybe Malphon and Lucifer.

mossy zinc Oct 17, 2021, 2:21 PM

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hoary pasture No FO

FO is what frequently kills most newer players when they get to 32 Heat.

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But if somebody has experience speedrunning or something, FO is totally fine. But then you're not looking at somebody who probably needs any help with 32 Heat.

placid bronze Oct 17, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Yep, that is my wall from 32 rn - the FO specifically while trying to avoid Asterius’ charge

bronze rapids Oct 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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how does one deal with FO2 EM3, stay close to the pillars?

flat flicker Oct 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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bronze rapids how does one deal with FO2 EM3, stay close to the pillars?

have Athena dash, basically sadge

bronze rapids Oct 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Will that cancel the charge?

flat flicker Oct 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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dash through him

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I think that works

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I’ve straight up been doing em4 fo1 lately lol

quartz mantle Oct 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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bronze rapids how does one deal with FO2 EM3, stay close to the pillars?

The answer is yea just stay near pillars or the wall

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Be somewhere where you have easy access to baiting him into something

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Also watch vods and see what the hardcore gamers™️ do

bronze viper Oct 17, 2021, 4:22 PM

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There isn't a single answer. It's a really chaotic fight with lots of random (but manageable) mechanics. Best advice if you're on PC is get a build you're comfy with with lots of effective HP and make a practice save for EM3, so you can mess around with dealing with the mechanics one at a time.

The one that causes people to panic the hardest are Asterius charges. Probably focus on that one first so you have a plan when you come in

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Your position is going to be forced to change continuously because both Theseus and Asterius control a lot of space (but differently). Also it'll vary with how you prefer to dodge Asterius charges. There's the "ole" method involving standing against a wall and dashing through Asterius at the last second to force him to run into it. Also if you stand between pillars and the wall, it should be pretty straightforward to cause Asterius to run into something basically regardless of where you dodge to.

honest kernel Oct 17, 2021, 5:23 PM

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even on fo2 the tell on his charge is quite big so if you get used to looking out for it its easier to handle

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also try keeping asterius on screen at all times

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or else hes gonna suprrise you

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same for theseus actually but

bronze rapids Oct 17, 2021, 5:26 PM

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yeah my main issue is the charge, the rest of the fight I can manage

mossy zinc Oct 17, 2021, 6:12 PM

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If Asterius is off-screen, just expect that he's gonna bull-charge at you. And if he doesn't, all good. But you're ready if he does.

bronze rapids Oct 17, 2021, 6:25 PM

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thanks folks nectar

flat flicker Oct 17, 2021, 10:15 PM

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32 zag rail w spread fire start - which god do i want to start with

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aphro or artemis

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goal is to win, no em4, fo1

bronze viper Oct 17, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Aphro, Smoldering Air

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Artemis works too (especially with Hunter's Mark) but Spread Fire isn't a very safe build, you probably need the Weak and Smoldering Air to prevent bad things from happening to you lol

flat flicker Oct 17, 2021, 11:14 PM

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yea it didnt go great lol

radiant oriole Oct 18, 2021, 2:55 AM

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is this just me or did the slowness around EM4 hades casts get a hell of a lot more effective

gaunt fiber Oct 18, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Calculated risk ?

ashen garnet Oct 18, 2021, 10:39 AM

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The pulling effect is so strong that it reduces your dash distance when you are too close bouldy

cursive portal Oct 18, 2021, 11:00 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=96

bronze viper Oct 18, 2021, 12:10 PM

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gaunt fiber Calculated risk ?

This would be amazing if the puller aura around skulls also worked while they were mid flight. Trying in vain to dodge the slow ass skull but you can't get away

mossy zinc Oct 18, 2021, 12:11 PM

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Don't give Amir any ideas. courte5Ohno

bronze viper Oct 18, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Lol, always feels bad when you get hit one time in that fight where you're like "I'm probably fine" then the timer runs out.

gaunt fiber Oct 18, 2021, 3:34 PM

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No tooth zagSad

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Oh Athena DD in the corner maybe

cursive portal Oct 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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gaunt fiber Oh Athena DD in the corner maybe

nah

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just pat buff

mossy zinc Oct 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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No swearing. courte5Ohno

cursive portal Oct 18, 2021, 3:36 PM

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was denied special the 1st time so no dd on the 2nd athena

quartz mantle Oct 18, 2021, 5:19 PM

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~~He found a way to bypass the swear filter~~

flat flicker Oct 18, 2021, 5:41 PM

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if i have zeus call

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do i want double strike

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or zeus legendary

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(smoldering, have high voltage lol)

clever otter Oct 18, 2021, 5:55 PM

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quartz mantle ~~He found a way to bypass the swear filter~~

but not the mods banne

quartz mantle Oct 18, 2021, 6:06 PM

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flat flicker or zeus legendary

this

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Easier to get Double Strike than it is to get Splitting

flat flicker Oct 18, 2021, 6:06 PM

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true

quartz mantle Oct 18, 2021, 6:06 PM

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I mean you probably already chose but for future reference

flat flicker Oct 18, 2021, 6:06 PM

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yeah i went splitting

quartz mantle Oct 18, 2021, 6:06 PM

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if you're having trouble between two boons take the one that's harder to get

flat flicker Oct 18, 2021, 6:07 PM

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word

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 8:57 PM

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So my first 32 heat clear was a little hard (I was playing with pacts and this came together). So now I'm interested in advice on what I could have traded to make it easier. I could have definitely gone for TD2, and would prefer to have some choice of boons. FO2 didn't go well for me, so I'd rather not go there next time.
See #h1-victory-boasting for a screenshot.

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Hard labour seems one which people suggest, but 20% more from bosses feels rough.

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Getting poms to hit my attack several times was pure luck

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 8:59 PM

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Looks like oyu had... HL2 LC1 CF2 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO1 RI1 AP2 TD1????

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You picked a lot of extremely difficult options

placid bronze Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Being at a similar place in my heat climb, I prefer FO2 over any amount of HL. Adapting to the fast movement and AS is actually pretty quick

hoary pasture Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Yes

bronze rapids Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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The % more won't hurt you if the enemies can't reach you (ie take FO0/1)

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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how much do you get hit by dad? like do you need all death defiances?

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Routine inspection and approval process 2 are both extremely punishing

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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I don't know all the acronyms, but I'll trust you're right

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I went in with full health and one DD

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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You were within td2

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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id at least get rid of routine inspections 1 and lower approval process down to 1

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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Like it's just free, you completed <28 minutes

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

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No Athena in styx

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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If you beat the game with one DD then you would be fine with stubborn defiance and full lasting consequences

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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ri1 means no dark foresight or rerolls and combined with having to sell boons at every region, you end up with a non existent build

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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I felt it owed a little too much to luck

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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You picked all the modifiers that made your luck worse 😉

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If you turn those off, you'll be fine

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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That's what it felt like

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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at 32 heat and without ri1 or ap2 you can make a whole lotta builds that just make the dad fight trivial

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while also making your runs faster, allowing you to turn up td to 3

placid bronze Oct 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Likewise, I’ve found learning Stubborn Defiance and knowing how to reset your health properly with deliberate deaths make Lasting Consequences free heat

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/668865849079103539/884878890739335178/unknown.png This is the heat prog and the pact I recommend

bronze rapids Oct 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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yeah you don't want RI1 unless you really want to have a difficult life

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
courte5EternalRose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

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This is what Nyaanyaa recommends

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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Stubborn defiance is something I should try

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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also getting a patty buff and athena dd's makes stubborn defiance not even a problem for bosses

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

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I've been avoiding it

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Stubborn defiance is much easier than the pact you chose

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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stubborn lets you play more aggressive in normal chambers too

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Patty buff?

bronze rapids Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Hestia is on the more AP-Robust end so if you're really allergic to higher TDs you can keep AP1

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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plain parcel Patty buff?

it increases healing from stubborn to like 80% or something

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its huge

bronze rapids Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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yeah it's +50% and stacks

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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hardy garden stubborn lets you play more aggressive in normal chambers too

further makes td3 easier

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Ohhh that's big

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:04 PM

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patty is like a 50/50 though but well items and athena dd's help

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:04 PM

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But also you cleared the boss already with a single dd

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LC4 SD is not that different from what you have already done

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:04 PM

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like hestia tbh doesnt even need much to deal with td3 with some practice

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even with nothing but shackle and hammers

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:05 PM

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You had a 26 minute run with no build

bronze viper Oct 18, 2021, 9:05 PM

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I think people probably get quickly frustrated with rooms with tons of small things but forget to use their special every other reload or so

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:05 PM

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You can do 20 minutes with options

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I notice your times in general tend to be a little over 20, I do recommend watching some vods from really good players to see what techniques they use that you don't

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But you're still well within striking distance of TD3 and well under TD2

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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if you take aphro attack and zeus call with some t2 boons/his legendary and with smouldering air you can pretty easily melt bosses

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Shackle on Hestia isn't something I'd thought of

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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uh dont do it

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its an example

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Oh okay

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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That's a strat at much higher heats

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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I had Aphrodite attack from the start luckily

bronze rapids Oct 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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hardy garden like hestia tbh doesnt even need much to deal with td3 with some practice

Was gonna say "huh I tend to time out on TD3" and then realized all my high heat Hestia runs are on hell mode bouldy

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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I've cleared TD2 many times, I just turned it down to practice that pact

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/898774037558353930/unknown.png more efficient reloading/special usage plus a good build should let you reach under td3

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Didn't expect to get out

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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You cleared td2 on this pact

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You just didn't select the heat for it

hardy garden Oct 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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good practice is to choose more free rooms even if you dont need them

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like chaos, shops, story

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these help save a lot of time

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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I would guess there's some technique that you just aren't aware of

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It's pretty clear the execution is there

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If you were able to do your first 32 on this fairly cursed pact you don't have to worry about your ability

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I learned a lot by watching Tailesque vods and there are a lot of really great players in this channel who have submitted to the pinned board

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Def recommend just taking a peek and watching them do a few rooms

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Or a biome

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The precision of movement is really fun to watch and helped give me an idea of what to aim for

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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I watch Haellian a bit

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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He's a very good player but has moved on from purely competitive Hades for a while now

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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He still has his archive

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:10 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQen_R6GZdY

YouTube

Tailesque

Hades - 50 Heat - Level 1 Aspect of Hestia

0:51 - run start

All aspects complete, unseeded at 50+ heat! I got roped into doing my last 50+ aspect in its completely un-upgraded state and I blame Bright01 for this. Hestia has the potential to be the easiest/most straightforward 50 heat aspect, but at level 1, it's one of the absolute worst. Enjoy my suffering and a very long Hades fight. ...

▶ Play video

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Here, try this one

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:11 PM

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And he's my style of streamer

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:11 PM

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Oh he's great don't get me wrong

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I've been a sub for like a year

bronze rapids Oct 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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the message I'm getting from the thumbnail is "L1 weapon can't hurt you if you don't use it"

mossy zinc Oct 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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More than just a very good player, one of the very best strategists we've had in the Hades community.

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Anyway, i got all weapons to 16 heat, got a 32 heat run done and have nothing else to spend rewards on that's not purely cosmetic. Tbh I might take a break for a bit.

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:12 PM

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Nothing wrong with that

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Plenty of runway left in the game to improve and push goals if you're into that when you come back

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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Quite

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And I'm still getting unique/new dialogue

shy plinth Oct 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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That goes for a while lol

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Had a friend tell me he got new dialogue after run 900

unique zephyr Oct 18, 2021, 9:26 PM

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I was still getting unique dialogue like 300 hours in sometimes

flat flicker Oct 18, 2021, 10:45 PM

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It’s rare but man, it was kinda nice to have Hypnos tell me to try not to get hit by random enemies in asphodel

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Felt like old times

bronze rapids Oct 18, 2021, 10:57 PM

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also nice to hear "that was for last time" when you take out an enemy type that killed you the last run

plain parcel Oct 18, 2021, 11:55 PM

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I had been using Meg for the 2nd part of Lernie and then stopped doing it and Zag said "who needs Meg anyway". I nearly dropped my controller.

shy gulch Oct 19, 2021, 3:32 AM

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this is late but tbh shackle is just super strong on hestia in general

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generally you want to get equivalently powerful boons for ur atk/spec so you can use a diff keepsake like acorn or tooth or whatever but in a pinch it does the job just fine

bronze rapids Oct 19, 2021, 4:08 AM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/899871484699373588/2021101900072200-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg

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is this pact ok
(build janky because I forgot I still had acorn from the last run, but got a tidal dash start and rolled with it)

hardy garden Oct 19, 2021, 4:24 AM

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bronze rapids is this pact ok (build janky because I forgot I still had acorn from the last ru...

basically my 40 zag bow pact cept I had ap1 and hs 1 because I really dont like bp2 elysium for bow lol

bronze rapids Oct 19, 2021, 4:25 AM

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I've half a mind to drop to FO1 AP1 HS1

hardy garden Oct 19, 2021, 4:25 AM

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yeah fo2 can hurt a lot

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and ap1 is free anyways dusa just get the boons

bronze rapids Oct 19, 2021, 4:25 AM

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except idk if AP1 can screw with TD3

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Shackle, ig

hardy garden Oct 19, 2021, 4:26 AM

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well can just seed for a heartbreak strike start

bronze rapids Oct 19, 2021, 4:26 AM

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ig that too

hardy garden Oct 19, 2021, 4:26 AM

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good since you can go either smouldering air or heart rend

bronze rapids Oct 19, 2021, 4:27 AM

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right

quartz mantle Oct 19, 2021, 12:10 PM

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bronze rapids is this pact ok (build janky because I forgot I still had acorn from the last ru...

Something something CF bad

bronze rapids Oct 19, 2021, 1:32 PM

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quartz mantle Something something CF bad

Something something crying > dying

gaunt fiber Oct 19, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Lmao

ashen garnet Oct 19, 2021, 7:56 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772234405385207818/900109767194861578/unknown.png
Still struggling at EM4, but I want to believe that this is p close dusa

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Sadly, Fidi does not seem that good when you are already short on damage and have difficulties stripping armor from P1 summons bouldy

mossy zinc Oct 19, 2021, 7:59 PM

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What's the goal here? EM4 boonless?

hoary pasture Oct 19, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Looks like it

gaunt fiber Oct 19, 2021, 8:00 PM

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getting there Scratch zagPls

ashen garnet Oct 19, 2021, 8:05 PM

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mossy zinc What's the goal here? EM4 boonless?

Yes, thought it would be a nice way to learn EM4 without any gods help (and less VFX clutter) squirtyay

hardy garden Oct 19, 2021, 8:10 PM

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ruthless reflex? that sounds fun dusa

plain parcel Oct 19, 2021, 8:40 PM

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It's there a mod to avoid taking core boons?

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Or do you just have to be lucky in Styx with purging?

honest kernel Oct 19, 2021, 8:43 PM

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fated athority helps with rerolling boon rooms

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but basicially you uh yeah

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you could have terrible luck

mossy zinc Oct 19, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Boonless EM4 sounds like misery. courte5Ohno

hardy garden Oct 19, 2021, 8:58 PM

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ngl worse sounding than mirrorless when hermes exists residentzag

ashen garnet Oct 19, 2021, 9:23 PM

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I think there are some mods which are replacing boons with onions, but yeah sometimes your run can be bricked because you have to pick an attack, a dash or a passive which will trigger. Still pretty manageable as long as you skip boons with Erebus, keep dices to roll Hermes, Elysium and some spare for Styx (running the modpack seeding 1st hammer and having a 2 sack guaranteed helps a ton with resets)

radiant oriole Oct 20, 2021, 12:56 AM

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doinmg a 50 heat run rn, and i have aphrodite and dio's 20% damage reduction if im at low health

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is it more worth it to take skeleton tooth over acorn?

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 1:00 AM

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radiant oriole is it more worth it to take skeleton tooth over acorn?

if youre doing em4 then tooth can be better. otherwise unless youre somehow taking less than 20 damage a hit from dad, acorn is gunna be way better

radiant oriole Oct 20, 2021, 1:00 AM

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alright

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 1:01 AM

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ive also seen ppl use spearpoint for em4

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 7:53 AM

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hardy garden ive also seen ppl use spearpoint for em4

Usually only worth doing if you have ridiculous amounts of health, as to not lose it too quickly

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 9:58 AM

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yo bois any build with shield with 16 heat?

flat flicker Oct 20, 2021, 10:15 AM

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zenith kestrel yo bois any build with shield with 16 heat?

Zeus special, zeus aspect, profit

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 10:15 AM

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wdym aspect?

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usually i go with ares

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but its not enough now

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 11:35 AM

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theres different aspects of each weapon

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 11:36 AM

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oh ye

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i got the one when i shield bash there's 5 shields with my ult

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 11:36 AM

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ok yeah

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that one is good with ares on

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dio or zeus on special also work

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what pact do you use

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 11:39 AM

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wdym pact?

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 11:39 AM

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the heat you choose

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its called pact of punishment

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 11:40 AM

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that's what im asking

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what would be the easiest

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idk usully i die due to time or by hades

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 11:41 AM

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Extreme Measures, Benefits Package, Underworld Customs and Middle Management are ones I would look at

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 11:41 AM

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tight deadline 1 or 2 is also easy

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 11:41 AM

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Tight Deadline is good aswell

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Yea

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Damage Control is fine with some aspects altho with Chaos it would probably make you slower by quite a bit

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You can also consider Forced Overtime 1, but it can be really tough at first

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 11:43 AM

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forced overtime 1 is alright usually

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my internet slow

pseudo flame Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 AM

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i think there's some pact u should not pick. HS, CP, and JS

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at least, if u want an easier pact

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 12:09 PM

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Yea I would avoid those, also I would avoid Convenience Fee, it's worse than it sounds

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 12:10 PM

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kk

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ima see how it goes

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so ima go zeus build or ares?

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Both builds should be fine, I would prefer Zeus of the two

mossy zinc Oct 20, 2021, 12:16 PM

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These questions are better suited for another channel btw since this channel is for very high heats. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

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Like 32+.

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 12:51 PM

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Eh it's more or less on topic as long as people are actually talking about pacts.

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 1:21 PM

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hoary pasture Both builds should be fine, I would prefer Zeus of the two

alright with zeus you go spiecal right?

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Yep

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Look for Static Discharge

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 1:38 PM

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And splitting pre reqs too

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Zeus call also great copium

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 1:40 PM

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Zeus call also great*

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Ftfy

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Yeah. Copium would be saying Demeter call is great (I think it is, but that's because I'm already addicted to copium)

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 1:42 PM

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bouldy

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Think of the chill stacks

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I actually enjoy dem call sometimes cause positioning it right is more satisfying than other calls where you just get to press the button to do damage

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But it’s not as good as those other calls lol

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Greater Call is kind of sad, mostly because it's like 10 more minutes before you can actually build call charge again

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 1:43 PM

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I took it on some Beo run because of ap2 and it was nice to deal with DC

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 2:02 PM

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bronze viper Yeah. Copium would be saying Demeter call is great (I think it *is*, but that's...

c o l d f u s i o n

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Hey now, that's one of my favorite boons [for some reason]

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 2:20 PM

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It melts EM3 Theseus

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That’s about it tho

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Doesn’t do much else

flat flicker Oct 20, 2021, 2:21 PM

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eh i take it when doing meme beam runs and forgot i need a chill core boon to get arctic blast

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its serviceable

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dem aid

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 2:21 PM

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It helps be a coward from Chariots, it's decent on EM4 because even though he does darkness all the time he also attacks like all the time.

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 3:00 PM

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yo what main boon should i go with aspect of chrion bow?

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 3:01 PM

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for what

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rama is the best for high heat

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chiron might be easier to play though

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 3:01 PM

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3 heat

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 3:01 PM

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hera is the fastest for speedruns

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just play whatever on low heat

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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ye but what boon is working the best

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i think like artemis

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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oh you said boon sry I just came home

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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I think they were asking specifically for boons for chiron lol. Either Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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its k man

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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bronze viper I think they were asking specifically for boons for chiron lol. Either Deadly F...

so speical from dynousus?

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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yeah artemis with heartrend gud 👍

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Heartbreak Strike works well for either of them

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 3:02 PM

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what is the deadly flourish

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from who you get that

bronze viper Oct 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Artemis special

zenith kestrel Oct 20, 2021, 3:03 PM

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oh k

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ima go artemis

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ty

honest kernel Oct 20, 2021, 3:04 PM

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aphro on atk for the easiest duo synergy

tough gust Oct 20, 2021, 6:11 PM

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so-
Heat 63-
who has attempted it and who has come close to succeeding?

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 6:14 PM

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plenty of people have attempted max heat but its not exactly something feasibly done by 99% of the playerbase

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the only clear we have of max heat (which is 64 with hell mode) is a routed run done routed by Cgull and ran by Baj

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routed to basically get everything you want for a run, all the right boons, all the right free rooms, all the good enemy summons, and whatnot

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And even with routing being an option which basically takes care of rng, only one person has cleared the route at max heat which just shows how unrealistic it is

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the highest unseeded heat run is 62 heat by Ykc and Baj (albeit Baj's clear was using a modpack to require less resets), with the only pact option not selected being RI4 (the one that removes your SD)

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I know Baj has been attempting 64 heat unseeded modded lately and he's been doing pretty well but I'd heavily doubt anyone outside of the top hades players could clear 64 heat

mossy zinc Oct 20, 2021, 6:21 PM

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You can check the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in this channel.

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:27 PM

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baj has actually gotten to first styx miniboss on the modpack on 64

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mad impressive

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:28 PM

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Lucky tooth or acorn for 40 heat against hades?

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Em3

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Either one works I prefer Acorn

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If you have a lot of damage resistance like Weak with broken resolve, Positive Outlook, and you're using Arthur you could use tooth instead

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Although if you have an Athena DD take acorn every time

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:34 PM

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I like acorn more

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:34 PM

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40 heat spear done 😎😎😎

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After so many resets

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:35 PM

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zagluv

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:35 PM

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I do a ME run and get it first try

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:35 PM

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What aspect?

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Achilles

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Nice

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Flurry jab?

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Yeah

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Chamber 1

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Sick

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:36 PM

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This took forever

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I did rail and sword first try

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Spear high heat probably 2nd hardest behind fists

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 6:36 PM

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i should probably get to doing 40 spear on other aspects. for some reason ive only done it with guan yu and lvl 1 guan yu bouldy

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:37 PM

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I liked a special focused build with hades spear/zag spear, with exploding launcher then charged skewer/flurry jab

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Thats how I did my 50 anyway

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 6:37 PM

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spear without guaranteed hammers is residentzag

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Very

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I cant imagine grinding AP2 hammers

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It sounds so painful

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:38 PM

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All I have left is bow and fists

cursive portal Oct 20, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Personal recommendation is zag bow with triple/twin first hammer

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Aphro attack start maybe, it does a ton of damage

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:40 PM

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I still haven’t done a single zag bow clear

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Most played bow is hera

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Rama gang rama gang

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🏹

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 6:43 PM

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I suck with Rama

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Charge up is too long for me

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 6:45 PM

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You are dash striking right?

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 6:46 PM

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tbh even then its long with like fo2 and stuff

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but like dont feel forced to powershot

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 6:47 PM

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simply keep your distance

hoary pasture Oct 20, 2021, 6:48 PM

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quartz mantle simply keep your distance

Triple shot point blank 👀

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 6:53 PM

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You're keeping your distance by killing them

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 7:27 PM

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ron i always find it funny when i get the duo dialogue then the duo get crossed out

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also ive had the prereqs for smouldering air for like 5+ aphro/zeus boons and it hasnt shown up bouldy

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825862916561305643/900466050271948820/unknown.png this is basically just zag bow

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without the crit

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also flurry twin kinda op

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 8:17 PM

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At what heat do you have to take em4?

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Or ap2

gaunt fiber Oct 20, 2021, 8:18 PM

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40+ for AP in general

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EM4 is a matter of choice really

lucid atlas Oct 20, 2021, 8:19 PM

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glass blade At what heat do you have to take em4?

My guess for the majority is at 60 heat…when you are ready for 64 😆

gaunt fiber Oct 20, 2021, 8:19 PM

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EM4 pacts are often opposed to RI2 pacts

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but with hell mode you can have your mirror and EM3 still

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for 50 heat

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 8:21 PM

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I wish my file was hell mode :(

gaunt fiber Oct 20, 2021, 8:21 PM

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You can download one on speedrun dot com if you don't want to grind it out

glass blade Oct 20, 2021, 8:23 PM

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I play on switch

gaunt fiber Oct 20, 2021, 8:24 PM

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o7

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 8:27 PM

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rip

flat flicker Oct 20, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Twin explosive shot zag bow slaps

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 8:28 PM

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twin flurry tho thanthink

flat flicker Oct 20, 2021, 8:34 PM

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thousand damage per shot is super based

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vibecat

hardy garden Oct 20, 2021, 8:42 PM

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big slower numbers or less big but faster numbers thanthink

flat flicker Oct 20, 2021, 8:49 PM

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True

bronze rapids Oct 20, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Flurry for less RSI

sturdy nest Oct 20, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Has anyone beat max heat

pseudo flame Oct 20, 2021, 10:59 PM

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dun think so without mod

quartz mantle Oct 20, 2021, 11:20 PM

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quartz mantle plenty of people have attempted max heat but its not exactly something feasibly ...

Well there’s this whole thing

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And you can see the only recorded max heat clear on the high heat leaderboard pinned under the “seeded” section

solar maple Oct 20, 2021, 11:22 PM

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the closest someone has gotten to unseeded unmodded max heat is baj who got to late elysium

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retrash got to elysium during the monthly challenge, though iirc seeded for drunken strike on eris

honest kernel Oct 21, 2021, 12:05 AM

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solar maple the closest someone has gotten to unseeded unmodded max heat is baj who got to l...

I might attempt that again at some point. Doing modded first to see if I can handle the EM4 fight first

elfin rock Oct 21, 2021, 9:11 AM

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Surely lightening strike is better on eris on max heat

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As jolted and fo2

honest kernel Oct 21, 2021, 9:19 AM

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The problem is getting Jolted in the first place

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Surprisingly hard to get

honest kernel Oct 21, 2021, 10:20 AM

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drunken only needs poms which is way easier to get than to hope for ap2 luck

cursive portal Oct 21, 2021, 10:35 AM

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RI1+ shadegrief

bronze viper Oct 21, 2021, 12:03 PM

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honest kernel Surprisingly hard to get

Lol, isn't it the easiest tier 2 to get? But yeah, banking on any tier 2 is maddening with AP2 obv.

next acorn Oct 21, 2021, 2:04 PM

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it's just pain

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you finally get epic jolted only to get forced into hazard bomb

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definitely not speaking from experience or anything bouldy

undone tartan Oct 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Yeah honestly max heat just seems stupid. Like we know that it is possible unseeded and unmodded, but it would require such absurd luck that not many people would want to grind for it, and I do not blame them

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And if it is beaten unmodded and unseeded, it’s obviously insanely impressive but potentially required such good RNG that it might as well have been modded or even seeded. But maybe not, I’m no max heat expert

bronze viper Oct 21, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Baj is making progress with relatively poo builds, but yeah when you get to a certain heat threshold, you are subject to room RNG, it's a matter of fact in the game.

undone tartan Oct 21, 2021, 2:35 PM

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As a non top player who doesn’t really understand what it’s like to be a top player (and therefore admittedly could be off on this take), it seems like all the really hard impressive challenges are super highly dependent on RNG. Which seems kinda lame because the only things the community has to really work toward is either getting better luck or doing it routed…

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Unlike in say HK where R5AB (I think) has not been done yet and would just require insane technical skill and not be very RNG dependent at all

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Yeah just checked it’s never been done, wr is 1 hit P5AB