The communal knowledge can make it way easier
#h1-high-heat-strategies
shy plinth
bronze viper
Lol, I'm glad the influx of people who haven't done any heat at all coming in here asking for a magic solution to 32 for the statue is more or less over.
Because if you haven't done any heat, every heat is rough
shy plinth
Yeah I mean there are still people that get the 16 statue and then say "okay now 32" without realizing the difference in difficulty there
Though honestly we've had a lot of people make the jump
empty agate
important phone call sorry
bronze viper
Lol you're excused
shy plinth
But I imagine at the beginning of 1.0 it was just like OKAY HOW DO I HEAT
mossy zinc
Though honestly we've had a lot of people make the jump
Majority of them with my guide. 
shy plinth
Of course
bronze viper
Of course
shy plinth
It is a well tuned pact with literal years of iteration
undone tartan
I’m glad that the pact I was using for my first few 32s before joining this server was relatively sane
The only questionable part was FO2 EM3 HL3 which was too much and led to me repeatedly dying to Asterius miniboss or champions
mossy zinc
Majority of them with my guide. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
Which none of you shared.
undone tartan
And ofc I didn’t use LC4 SD, although I did know about it, because I thought it wasn’t good until 40 heat or higher
mossy zinc
bronze viper
Which none of you shared.
Why bother when you post it every 10 milliseconds 
shy plinth
Oh gosh I just looked up my first 32 clear and this pact is illegal in at least 18 states
bronze viper
LOL I know right? I have to find mine again it's haunted
shy plinth
undone tartan
No RI. I call that a win
bronze viper
1500 hours later and I still do that
undone tartan
That’s similar to mine, but I would do TD3 CP0 JS0
I knew JS and CP were bad
And I’d been using TD3 since 6 heat
hoary pasture
Gotta check mine
bronze viper
Imagine if you couldn't just hold the back button in the security log? lmao
...... wow I'm an idiot. I got to 0 from like 1200 and I just now realized i'm on my hell mode save fff
narrow carbon
My first 32: LC2 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO1 RI1 DC2 TD3 (Eris with DD and PS)
undone tartan
Lmao
mossy zinc
shy plinth
You're doing a JS2 security log
bronze viper
I was like "surely I didn't start Hades on 25 heat"
undone tartan
My first 32 was on Eris I think
shy plinth
Only one aphrodite boon???
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Are you suggesting that one boon from the most powerful goddess, Lady Aphrodite, is not enough for something as low heat as 32? Of course it is.
bronze viper
narrow carbon
Thanks to RI1 CF2 I had like 7 boons, lol
bronze viper
Wait that's not possible I know I did chaos first huh...
mossy zinc
It says "modded game", too.
hoary pasture
Should've known it's Rama
mossy zinc
Oh because you now use modded, nevermind lol.
undone tartan
I remember I did Eris, Beowulf, Achilles, Hera, and Rama 32 before my break.
bronze viper
It says "modded game", too.
lol yeah the screenshot was taken... now :3
hoary pasture
Filthy modded players
hoary pasture
https://i.imgur.com/rQUxGdJ.jpg
Wait so you didn't take Aphro keepsake first
bronze viper
Pact wasn't that cursed. Did Drunken Chaos for some reason though https://imgur.com/a/lFCf8k6
mossy zinc
No one knew about the SD bug, Dark Foresight didn't work, BP2 perks weren't nerfed and there were more combos, FO wasn't nerfed yet, spins were undodgeable, so many Duo Boons didn't exist yet...
bronze rapids
sorry for not being hardcore enough lol
narrow carbon
Pact wasn't *that* cursed. Did Drunken Chaos for some reason though https://img...
For PS I’d guess
mossy zinc
I guess they hand out free trophies to 1.0ers now.
bronze viper
Honestly, in the era she is referring to, BP1 sometimes just meant you lost, by itself lol. Bruiser was unbeatable
honest kernel
old bruiser was somethin yea
32 was def harder but also
now getting higher is easier for me
empty agate
thanks for infor guys got to go, ill be back to get more info later
bronze viper
People got better and heat got incrementally easier/less dumb
They did a lot to fix FO2 as well
Unless I imagined that and that's my brain telling me that to make me feel better
mossy zinc
Wait so you didn't take Aphro keepsake first
That is correct.
bronze viper
I know at least they changed the big chungus armored rat position in Styx chambers so you wouldn't instadie to Speeder
mossy zinc
Honestly, I don't know if they changed it or if I just look out for it immediately in every chamber now lol.
I think they did.
ripe ermine
https://i.imgur.com/BmWAkAG.jpeg had to dig up my first 32. I was a post 1.0 baby. Pact could be worse I guess
bronze viper
Honestly, I don't know if they changed it or if I just look out for it immediate...
I think it was observed to be changed during the FO rework, but that could also be a fever dream ala Back Biter
ripe ermine
It’s just missing one thing
lol repeated that at 51 Heat the other day on Demeter
mossy zinc
I think it was observed to be changed during the FO rework, but that could also ...
Much later if at all.
bronze viper
Fever dream it is. Lol, the last 2-3 months before release are so hard to track, there were always a million changes and a lot of us played on the beta builds so it made it even more confusing
mossy zinc
Main build was pretty stable. Beta changed every 1-2 days sometimes.
And then there was the test branch early in 1.0, too.
undone tartan
What keepsake do I want for Asphodel?
Usually with a build this good and AP2, I’d do tooth because I really don’t want to die to a stupid unlucky room or blue Lernie, but I have 235 health so that probably won’t happen
And since it’s AP2 I doubt there’s much point in using Owl Pendant
undone tartan
Yeah Zeus special and SAir would be insane
shy plinth
Yerp
undone tartan
But with AP2 it’s just not gonna happen
bronze viper
Athena or Skull Earring for me
undone tartan
Bank some extra time for Elysium?
bronze viper
Or Acorn if you want to be safe
bronze viper
Bank some extra time for Elysium?
yeah
undone tartan
I can’t believe how good those first four chambers were btw. Twin shot into heartbreak strike into 80 extra health
bronze viper
Skull Earring wouldn't make an enormous impact on Rama attack damage but it's huge on Dio's Aid
undone tartan
True
mossy zinc
Overflowing Cup sounds good, too.
undone tartan
But how good is Dio’s aid for normal asphodel enemies? It’s definitely good but not really incredible, right?
undone tartan
Overflowing Cup sounds good, too.
Really? What would I be looking for?
bronze viper
Cup with AP2 with Dio's AId sounds dicey, he's likely to get another Hangover core
mossy zinc
Low Tolerance, Special, Cast, Numbing Sensation, Bad Influence, Premium Vintage...
honest kernel
insane ap2 run
undone tartan
I know
mossy zinc
Positive Outlook is pretty good, too.
bronze viper
All 3 of your remaining cores are good with Athena as well and it leave you open to RNG DDs. Also the replacements wouldn't be utter disasters (wouldn't be great though lol)
mossy zinc
Only boons you don't want are Drunken Dash, although you could cope with it, Peer Pressure because it doesn't do anything, and After Party for the same reason.
Yeah, Owl Pendant is decent, too.
undone tartan
All 3 of your remaining cores are good with Athena as well and it leave you open...
Phalanx Shot and Divine Flourish are nearly useless, no?
mossy zinc
No?
undone tartan
It’s DC2
bronze viper
Phalanx Shot is one of the best boons in the game, for every aspect
mossy zinc
Yeah.
undone tartan
But it’s DC2
bronze viper
Who cares
undone tartan
I can’t just throw it out and expect it to do literally anything
bronze viper
It's on demand deflect and does a million damage if you special first
bronze viper
It also lets you more or less safely charge a power shot into enemies as it'll deflect a melee attack or whatever
undone tartan
It also lets you *more or less* safely charge a power shot into enemies as it'll...
Phalanx shot? How?
narrow carbon
Btw I usually start Artemis because both Attack and Dash are fine, so more runs get off the ground
bronze viper
Because it deflects. Deflected melee attacks don't do anything
undone tartan
Right but how does that affect my attack
shy plinth
Doesn't break charge animation
bronze viper
Because you won't get knocked out of it lol
mossy zinc
Btw I usually start Artemis because both Attack and Dash are fine, so more runs ...
Heretic.
bronze viper
Phalanx Shot is a godsend for Triple Shot e.g.
Actually Phalanx Shot is slow enough that I think you could easily still lead with Phalanx Shot and special the target before it lands
undone tartan
Because it deflects. Deflected melee attacks don't do anything
Are you saying I should cast and then dash strike instantly? Because the cast will land long before I can power shot, assuming the enemy is in Twin Shot range
bronze viper
No, you time it so the attack they would do would get deflected, which would normally give you a pretty wide window to charge at your leisure
narrow carbon
Buying time = good
undone tartan
Well I literally don’t know how to do that 
mossy zinc
Don't really agree with Stygian Soul, by the way.
undone tartan
Fair. I prefer it because less Hermes boons
bronze viper
Also Divine Flourish is kind of just great in Elysium by itself. Bonus points if you get Blinding Flash
undone tartan
More likely to get decent Hermes
bronze viper
Hermes is already megatrash with AP2 lol, so it's a pretty tiny edge you're getting
mossy zinc
Also more likely to not be able to do much with your Cast.
undone tartan
Ravenous Will though
bronze viper
Well I literally don’t know how to do that <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Just throw it out there on cooldown and pay attention to when the deflects happen. Those are free damage windows
undone tartan
But yeah you’re probably right
bronze viper
It's not that nuanced lol
undone tartan
I’ll switch it off if I lose this run
mossy zinc
Curious how you think having one bloodstone that regenerates automatically is better for Ravenous Will than having three that you can just throw out and leave there.
bronze viper
I'm about 50/50 on Stygian/Infernal for Rama tbf. I think I err on Infernal for quick burst damage
mossy zinc
With Phalanx Shot and Stygian Soul, pretty sure I just press Cast whenever it's up lol.
bronze viper
Definitely if I'm doing combinations of RI AP since more damage is always welcome
bronze viper
With Phalanx Shot and Stygian Soul, pretty sure I just press Cast whenever it's ...
Yeah lol this is basically what I do as well. No thinking, just press. If deflect happens, great. It'll save your hide for free a ton
mossy zinc
What's the safest way to engage a group of enemies with a melee weapon?
Throw three Phalanx Shots at them.
undone tartan
Do I take epic deadly flourish or do I use one of my two rolls?
mossy zinc
Sure, take it.
dusk cypress
Do I take epic deadly flourish or do I use one of my two rolls?
what weapon with what aspect are you using?
undone tartan
It’s basically useless but eh I guess
bronze viper
Yeah I don't use rolls to protect my special slot
undone tartan
It’s still gold
mossy zinc
I dunno why you're always calling more damage useless lol.
bronze viper
Keep it for purging or replacement protection
undone tartan
I dunno why you're always calling more damage useless lol.
Nyaa it’s like barely more damage at all
mossy zinc
So it is more damage.
undone tartan
It’s like 10 more damage on average
bronze viper
Oh I thought we were talking about phalanx lol. It's a lot more than 10
But yeah no the damage on Flourish doesn't matter
there's just a lot better things the rerolls could be used for
mossy zinc
But it's also not useless.
undone tartan
Oh I thought we were talking about phalanx lol. It's a lot more than 10
Deadly flourish? Not really, especially not with DC2
Basically useless
bronze viper
leaves open hunter's mark, support fire, and Splitting Headache too fwiw
bronze viper
lmao
undone tartan
Time is not an issue
LMAO I GOT PERFECT SHOT
This is absurd
This is actually an AP0 build
hearty onyx
Don't worry, there's plenty of time for something to go wrong!
honest kernel
cursive portal
honest kernel
ap2 is free heat
hoary pasture
Better not die
honest kernel
💀
hoary pasture
lmao
undone tartan
Trap
honest kernel
rip
hoary pasture
rip
undone tartan
Slugger bows can’t do 100
honest kernel
true
undone tartan
undone tartan
It’s ok
I somehow got an equally good Tartarus in my next run
If not better
How often do you guys buy Light of Ixion in high heat (CF2) runs?
mossy zinc
Do you want an average and then flip a weighted coin?
undone tartan
No, I was just curious if you guys generally think it’s worth it
Because I bought it this run and got something great despite AP2 (rolled once) but that’s anecdotal
mossy zinc
I dunno what the guys think.
undone tartan
You people
I never mean specifically men when I say “guys”. It’s a non-gender specific term in that context, at least where I live
mossy zinc
It isn't.
shy plinth
Still a gendered word
I understand the social context but there are a lot of other options
mossy zinc
As a wise woman on the internet once said, "Ask anyone to draw a picture of three guys and they will draw three males."
undone tartan
It genuinely isn’t regarded as gender specific in that context where I live. Like even the female teachers will say that
undone tartan
As a wise woman on the internet once said, "Ask anyone to draw a picture of thre...
Yeah because that’s a different context
I mean specifically the phrase “you guys”
mossy zinc
Just because it's a norm to use masculine terms for such things doesn't mean it's actually gender-neutral.
wintry berry
hey girls
mossy zinc
Women using it doesn't make it gender-neutral, either.
undone tartan
I mean it clearly isn’t in your experience, and I respect that
undone tartan
Women using it doesn't make it gender-neutral, either.
No, ofc not. My main point is that everyone says that where I live and never means it in a gender-specific way
mossy zinc
That's nothing to do with my own experience, you're ignoring the cultural context.
undone tartan
I’m saying that in the culture that I grew up in, it isn’t gender specific in that context. But I know it’s not like that in many cultures and I also know that it doesn’t literally mean that, but it’s definitely used that way
cursive portal
How often do you guys buy Light of Ixion in high heat (CF2) runs?
well im already running like AP1-AP2 on CF2
usually not worth it?
hardy garden
ap2 chaos is fun
cursive portal
ap2 chaos is fun
76% extra foes
undone tartan
As long as you can spare a roll, that is
mossy zinc
It's the same as defaulting to he/him for another person on the internet and such things. You're not speaking for your entire culture, anyway.
There are plenty of alternatives to use. Just make an effort.
undone tartan
Oh I don’t default to He/Him, I default to they/them. I don’t think those things are the same though
hardy garden
funny when you open the game and realize you were in the middle of a 40 heat run when you instantly lose your sd
undone tartan
In fact, I used they/them for everyone, often even if it says their gender somewhere, because I don’t want to mess it up
But you specifically specified that I should make an effort to use she/her for you, so I do
mossy zinc
Well, then it shouldn't be a problem to use something other than "guys".
undone tartan
What do I say instead? Y’all?
undone tartan
Y’all and folks are very southern
mossy zinc
Peoples of the Earth.
shy plinth
I am from the American northeast and have adapted to "y'all" because y'all rules
mossy zinc
Assorted catgirls, hats, pancakes, and other species.
shy plinth
How about "wassup Leute"
shy plinth
Was ist erhaben, Leute?
mossy zinc
People in Germany do say "Was geht ab?" lol.
shy plinth
See we're learning things today
mossy zinc
funny when you open the game and realize you were in the middle of a 40 heat run...
Did you win?
shy plinth
high-heat-and-linguistics
mossy zinc
Strategy begins with language.
shy plinth
But the most important concept is only 6 letters
mossy zinc
Love is four letters.
shy plinth
But "git gud" is 6
mossy zinc
But "git gud" is not the most important concept.
Love is.
Love conquers everything.
shy plinth
What if I love gitting gud
mossy zinc
Then you, too, have been conquered by love.
mossy zinc
*76% extra foes*
That means you get to play the game that you love more with more of the enemies that you love fighting. That's good, right?
mossy zinc
Hades 2.0, now with 76% more unarmored Brightswords.
cursive portal
so you'II start saying "these damm 2.0'ers" instead?
mossy zinc
You and me both.
undone tartan
I am having a bad time
Literally considering whether RI2 JS0 CP0 would be easier
cursive portal
normal mode moment
undone tartan
I’m not switching to hell mode
The only reason I’m doing this is so I have a decked out save file
hardy garden
Did you win?
so far ive made it through champs lol
undone tartan
I like to check my admin chamber and see the max heat I’ve done with each aspect
Then try to beat it
Switching to hell mode would defeat the entire purpose
hardy garden
also it me or was it a bit dumb to swap my zeus special for heroic dio when i already have a smouldering dio call
undone tartan
Rama?
bronze viper
also it me or was it a bit dumb to swap my zeus special for heroic dio when i al...
This isn't like... a disaster lol. Hangover only lasts for 4 seconds, you could just wait for it to drop. Certainly not ideal lol
undone tartan
Yeah but now you can overwrite your call damage with special
bronze viper
It gets you call charge extremely fast too
undone tartan
And reduce the damage
bronze viper
I know, I'm saying it's not unrecoverable lol, there are advantages
Since it already happened
undone tartan
Yeah but it’s not good
cursive portal
Switching to hell mode would defeat the entire purpose
if you're on modded you can switch to hell mode for free
and keep your pb's
and also reset your run count for no lag
undone tartan
Switch
bronze viper
I switched to hellmode at the beginning of 1.0, was still annoying af
Still don't have every keepsake maxed lol, or even close
undone tartan
I kinda hate Elysium tbh
At least as 50 heat
It’s just not fun
Mainly because there are literally just too many enemies in chambers 32-34
Like I’ll get rooms with three waves of 6+ armored bowmasters
That literally takes two full minutes wtf
Not that I’ll time out even, just that it’s not fun at all
hardy garden
armored bowguys, chariots, and shields 
unborn fjord
ae finished fists on 32 heat
bronze viper
ayy
left prism
As someone who accidentally lost clockets to anvil on 32 heat rail, you dont need them
bronze viper
That's an alpha move, taking anvil with cluster rockets LOL
left prism
It was an accident lmao
Wanted to buy a pom but rushed and zag was aiming toward the anvil
hoary pasture
What did you get
unborn fjord
Eris cast build 
left prism
What did you get
just checked, lost cluster, got delta chamber and seeking fire
undone tartan
armored bowguys, chariots, and shields <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
Honestly armored chariots are fine
They mean less enemies will spawn
I’ve also had rooms that take over a minute and are 95% flamewheels where I just dash through the same obstacle for a minute without even attacking
It’s not hard, it’s just not fun at all
mossy zinc
Flamewheels on Malphon are so annoying without Deflect.
cursive portal
Flamewheels on Malphon are so annoying without Deflect.
just died to them
speeder poppers shield fellas
with teleporting flame wheels
mossy zinc
Oh no, don't punch the explody popper things. 
cursive portal
I wasnt trying to
narrow carbon
How often do you guys buy Light of Ixion in high heat (CF2) runs?
I don’t waste obols on it at 50, and I generally only take Chaos early (not much time invested so fine to reset) - or late if I have a lot of rolls and/or if I think I need it
I save rolls for purging well and to roll away boons that will brick the run. Deadly Flourish isn’t super helpful but it doesn’t brick the run.
eternal hare
i'm almost never in a situation where I actually have gold to spare for wells anyway
mossy zinc
Maybe you would be if you spent money on Lights of Ixion for some Roiling Affluence.
narrow carbon
If your goal is to die rich
mossy zinc
Get Rich and Die Tryin'.
flat flicker
Maybe you would be if you spent money on Lights of Ixion for some Roiling Afflue...
how good do you think affluence is from Chaos? i take it a lot, i know not over a cast related Chaos if i'm using a cast aspect, it kind of balances out CF2 when i get it
i tend to not know what to take from chaos and only really take a gate when running cast or if next room is gems and darkness
mossy zinc
I think it's good when you have CF2 and you get it relatively early.
But I don't value it that highly because a lot of the time rewards in shops are not what you care for... and if you're doing CF0, you often just end up with a lot more money than you need.
But it's never actually bad.
undone tartan
I don’t waste obols on it at 50, and I generally only take Chaos early (not much...
At 50 heat I’ve only played Beo, Rama, and Hestia and on all of those weapons I’ll take Chaos over pretty much anything except Patroclus and maybe Eurydice or a shop if I have a ton of money
narrow carbon
Good context for your complaints about running out of rolls in Styx 
undone tartan
No I don’t even think I had chaos in that run. Let me check
I had a chaos shot boon
Which I’m sure I didn’t roll for
Also, I wasn’t complaining about running out of rolls, it was that I got the only boon that could have ruined my run
narrow carbon
And if you had a roll, you could have potentially avoided it
narrow carbon
I'm just saying I typically avoid Chaos to be able to preserve rolls for those types of situations. In some cases I take Chaos - depends on the context. Always taking Chaos is a high-roll at 50+.
undone tartan
Also, that was a shackle run. I don’t use shackle for Rama or Beo
So I don’t need rolls for anything except maybe customs
Also, Chaos saves time
narrow carbon
Not if you get Roiling
undone tartan
Potentially up to a minute in Elysium, if you’re able to skip one of the final chambers
undone tartan
Not if you get Roiling <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Even if you get roiling
narrow carbon
I'll let others chime in if they'd like on whether Chaos + Roiling is a time save
undone tartan
Oh wait roiling
Yeah no that’s time loss
Nvm
But I won’t take Chaos with AP2 if I don’t have a roll
Also, are you saying you’d skip chaos with AP1 Beowulf at 50 heat? Because that’s insane
narrow carbon
This is for AP2
undone tartan
Chaos is literally better than anything except patty there
Well I didn’t do AP2 for 50 heat Beo
narrow carbon
My initial point was very simple: I prefer to save the roll for an unavoidable situation (like the purging well and a boon menu). If I have tons of rolls, sure, I take the Chaos.
undone tartan
And even with AP2 I definitely take Chaos over almost anything as long as I have a single roll
On Beowulf
It’s not like I’m using shackle
What’s gonna happen? Gonna have to take a bad call? Oh no.
Or I could get cast damage, bloodstones, or health and greatly increase my chances of winning as well as save time
narrow carbon
? If you have no roll later, you can get a cast-replace, or have to sell something you really needed.
undone tartan
It’s AP2, I’m extremely unlikely to have more than two boons I “really need”
And yeah I could get cast replacement, but that’s a risk worth taking, especially because I’m not guaranteed to have to reroll Chaos anyway
It seemed obvious to take Chaos on most aspects if you have even a single roll, which is why I asked how often it was worth spending 99 gold for Chaos
For me, I buy Light of Ixion more often than not I’d say
narrow carbon
For Beo, I would also weight Chaos higher, because +stones or +cast damage are really strong. Not all aspects benefit from Chaos to the same degree.
undone tartan
Rama and Hestia benefit enough that I think it’s worth taking over most things
narrow carbon
I'm not sure that I saw Tail take a Chaos in his Rama streak but anyway, different players have different preferences.
narrow carbon
RI2
undone tartan
Also if it’s a streak, then you’d probably be inclined to avoid risks
narrow carbon
lol, I thought we were talking about RI1+
If you have lots of rolls, use them whenever you want
undone tartan
I’ve never gone beyond 50, so I’ve literally never done RI2 AP2
Wait that’s not true
I did for Hestia, but I never won
narrow carbon
My approach to getting a clear is to avoid risk, similar to a streak. But I know not everyone does that - e.g. going for a high-roll clear instead.
undone tartan
Mine isn’t because I kinda need to high roll most of the time in order to win. You can see how long it took me to get my first 50
narrow carbon
I'd guess most people's preferences for Chaos at high heat might depend on how risk-averse they are, yeah.
undone tartan
Well if I’m on run 18 of the day and I see Chaos in Tartarus, I’m literally taking it no matter what unless my build already is better than my average Styx build
narrow carbon
Same - like I said earlier, Tartarus is low investment, worth taking the risk
undone tartan
Because Chaos could give me +80 health or something and boost my chances of winning massively. And I generally have the same attitude toward Asphodel
I’m thinking about it and I honestly don’t think I’ve skipped a Chaos gate in a 40+ heat run in at least the last three months
narrow carbon
I have much shorter game sessions, so I'm more risk averse
undone tartan
I’ll often play 6+ hours in one day
narrow carbon
I guess the answer to your question ends up depending more on session length, goal (clear / streak / speed), pact (RI / AP), aspect, biome, etc.
undone tartan
Also I’m sure at 60+ heat the only time you’d consider turning down Chaos is if you’re taking a different free room instead
narrow carbon
I'd be curious. There are very few 60+ clears, so you can check and report back if you like
gaunt fiber
Chaos is definitely a risk
You take it in Tartarus because you can reset if it's really bad
otherwise you take it only if you need it badly to save time, typically mid elysium
bronze viper
Yeah, I agree. I think it's fairly disingenuous to present it as "always take this". Even in Tart if I see a god I need and it's high heat TD3 I'll take it over Chaos.
gaunt fiber
yeah for sure
bronze viper
Also if I'm pretty secure in my power level I'll take midshop or story over Chaos too, why bother risking it
mossy zinc
UnholyPancake is just following my teachings. I ain't scared of no Chaos Gates.
bronze viper
Lol it's possible I don't take them enough but I think my reasoning is sound for not doing it.
mossy zinc
I only actually think about it in Elysium or if I have a really good build going that I don't wanna risk throwing.
Tartarus and Asphodel, I have generally no hesitation entering and just rolling with whatever I get.
bronze viper
Asphodel has left me far too many times with +% mobs vs. -% dash distance and nonsense options like that, I'm pretty conservative with it overall.
It's probably a me issue but my win % against Lernie with -% dash is pretty close to 0
At 50+
mossy zinc
The rewards are just so good.
mossy zinc
It's probably a me issue but my win % against Lernie with -% dash is pretty clos...
I don't think mine is that amazing either, but m not gonna let that stop me from trying.
If I die while I have a Chaos curse, I almost never blame it on RNG, I just take it as I made some mistakes that I need to clean up.
narrow carbon
Same, but my mistake was taking Chaos
undone tartan
Tartarus and Asphodel, I have generally no hesitation entering and just rolling ...
🤝
hardy garden
when 30s overtime champs
common lvl 1 doom without ME moment
also just me being bad with sword
gaunt fiber
ME with lv 1 doom feels so bad
bronze viper
lol I hate ME. Either it makes my runs literally free or my build, or ME doesn't come together and I have a pretty meh build, or ME does come together with common lvl 1 doom
None of those feel particularly fun
devout quiver
ME is one of those things that I never did too often... cause if I spammed it every run I'd get sick of it and never wanna run it again
bronze viper
Yeah I fire approximately 0.5 neurons per second when I complete ME lol. Whee, we're doing it
It's why cluster rockets are fun the first time but like... actively looking for them is so agonizing for me
Why am I hurrying up to not play the game anymore LOL
bronze rapids
ME clockets Hestia
shy plinth
Yes... I too dislike doing fat chunks of damage with claws for hands while constantly deflecting
hardy garden
i like how i decided to run into lasers and die on my other 40 heat nemesis attempt that was also way more op
bronze viper
lmao, i like when it's not random BS that kills me, but when I can point to a specific incredibly stupid active decision I made. That feels great. Very dark soulsy
hoary pasture
Well… The lifesteal isn’t exactly a reliable way to heal
unborn fjord
I got the quick-spin hammer earlier, the life-steal seems pretty consistent as of now
cursive portal
If you spin you might gain about 15% of the damage you took while chargin it up
shy plinth
Don't try that against the bull
empty agate
How do I find my screenshots on hades
unborn fjord
I'm only on 32 heat, I can see this failing on higher heats w/ FO or JS, but it's working fine in aspho so far, I heal to full every 2 chambers
empty agate
Can’t figure out screenshot but I did 32
Can’t share the picture I took with my phone though won’t let me upload
bronze rapids
image upload is turned off outside of a few channels
hardy garden
you can post it in #h1-victory-boasting
shy plinth
Well done 🙂
unborn fjord
oh no
game offered me miniboss at 11 hp, I missclicked and took it instead of the normal room
its asterius
with EM3
cursive portal
shy plinth
I feel like we're starting to see the holes in the quick spin plan
bronze viper
I feel like we're starting to see the holes in the quick spin plan
My usual combo with GY quick spin is try to get a value heal while enemies spawn, mistime it, lose my SD then play normally for the rest of the room. Repeat
shy plinth
Yeah this checks out
bronze rapids
yum
unborn fjord
tiny vermin is harder than furies
bronze viper
I don't know what Tiny Vermin actually does. Either my build is dumb enough that it still dies instantly or I'm just running around kiting it and I die to timer. It's so rare I don't really get to practice it that often.
unborn fjord
i've done fists, shield, and bow on 32 heat, what weapon should I do next
shy gulch
mood ledger lol
bronze viper
lmao
I probably don't have nearly the Tiny Vermin mood that speedrunners have
Though idk, every race I've ever watched, whenever someone gets a Tiny Vermin the commentators are like "ohnoes" then it dies in 2 frames and they go about their day so maybe I'm wrong.
shy plinth
I die to damage from furies more than I do from tiny vermin damage
But if I get TV I'm more likely to time out my run
Which is harder, I dunno
unborn fjord
when would you all suggest taking APx?
bronze viper
1 at 40+, 2 whenever your soul is ready for some damage
bronze viper
that's hugely aspect dependent
unborn fjord
yeah, guessed so. I'm doing Zeus
bronze viper
DC2 pretty free yeah
flat flicker
ugh blew a 32 on time
Experimental Rama build (coin purse em4)
Made it to phase 3
unborn fjord
alright, I'm doing HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 DC2 TD3
bronze viper
Experimental Rama build (coin purse em4)
Channeling the spirit of Retrash I see
unborn fjord
ugh blew a 32 on time
ouch, losing to time hurts so much
flat flicker
Yeah like I would have won if I had time for sure even with em4
4 sacked didn’t help
bronze viper
"i would have won for sure even with em4" does not compute, unless you literally are Retrash lol. Or did you have FO2 off?
flat flicker
I did have fo2 off yes
bronze viper
k, that tracks
bronze viper
I have like... never even come remotely close in any run to being for sure confident in clearing EM4 FO2 lmao
Even on nut 3 DD Beo runs
unborn fjord
EM4 FO2 is so hard, I thought EM4 was just hard on it's own then you give Dad 40% more speed
unborn fjord
numbskulls with the BP that lets them give blue health bars are so annoying
they end up with like 6 in the first seconds
bronze viper
Lol yeah it's not great. Should still be pretty straightforward with Zeus^2 though
unborn fjord
yeah, just super annoying when they also can make copies
going into furies with 200 hp but only two boons
unborn fjord
yikes
undone tartan
I had EXACTLY 72 HEALTH
unborn fjord
mood
bronze viper
So you technically got 3 hp of value
undone tartan
bronze viper
(also how are you just learning this now lol surely you've gotten death hugged by the bull before this point)
bronze viper
It's not nearly as dumb as the 150 from HS urns
unborn fjord
so TOS costs almost a quarter of KOS but is more useful in runs somehow
undone tartan
Yeah that’s also bs
Why should the fastest attack that is the hardest to avoid be the one that does the most damage?
That’s like if Rama special did 80 per arrow but the attack did 10
bronze viper
unborn fjord
o u c h
all I can say to that
okay, unpopular opinion probably, dio's scorn attacks are the worst scorned attacks
bronze viper
I always disrespect Poseidon's because it's easy to dodge then get hit for 20 damage a million times in a second
Oh, nvm, I'm probably confusing scorned trials vs. Theseus summon
Dio's trials are so dumb, yeah. The damage procs the second you touch the circles
undone tartan
Eh the only trails I hate are Aphrodite and Poseidon (and Demeter on melee weapons)
bronze viper
Yeah I always get a wee bit triggered when I see people buy yolo yarn with CF2 at high heat on otherwise pretty good runs
Like, if you're not desperate to force ME or whatever
undone tartan
I buy yolo ichor sometimes for 18 gold
unborn fjord
elysium is where all my 40 heat runs go to die 🤞
undone tartan
elysium is where all my 40 heat runs go to die 🤞
Me too but 50 heat
And Lernie sometimes
bronze viper
I buy yolo ichor sometimes for 18 gold <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Lol I memed for a long time on Astaos' stream when he was short 15 gold for a boon much later after buying Ichor
He memes on me all the time for always being so "rich" because I never spend. There's probably a middle ground somewhere
unborn fjord
explosive return vs sudden rush
undone tartan
But usually I die either Asterius or some bs in chambers 31-34
bronze viper
If you have 2 dashes already explosive return is nuts
undone tartan
If it’s your first hammer, definitely ER
unborn fjord
im in ely
bronze viper
RI3 I'd slam pick Sudden Rush but yeah
undone tartan
What other hammer do you have?
unborn fjord
my first was empowering flight
bronze viper
It's not close, ER
undone tartan
ER is probably the best Zeus hammer
unborn fjord
yeah, that was my pick
bronze viper
It is yeah. Sudden Rush is just really nice if you need the mobility. I'd also probably take it if you're EM4 and your damage is already good enough.
undone tartan
Good luck
solar maple
I just spend all my money on boons and health whenever I can
holes in my hades pockets
unborn fjord
TIMER
undone tartan
I’ll skip boons in midshops sometimes if I don’t really want boons from that god
Or with AP2 I’ll skip boons a lot
unborn fjord
4 minutes 45 seconds for styx and dad
solar maple
probably 9:45
unborn fjord
yeah, probably I did the math wrong
solar maple
or if you timed out it just goes to 5:00
undone tartan
It still adds 5 minutes when you enter a new region
unborn fjord
ahhh right
undone tartan
No matter what
solar maple
you don't start out with less from timing out
unborn fjord
I'm not used to timing out, sorry lol
undone tartan
You’re good
solar maple
my logic for just buying stuff most of the time is if I can I really like skipping endshops for a free reward
the free reward + the mediocre thing I buy will usually end up being better than the thing I could have saved for in the endshop
undone tartan
My 45 heat Guan Yu run was 73 seconds overtime
undone tartan
the free reward + the mediocre thing I buy will usually end up being better than...
Well in Tartarus and Asphodel you often don’t get the option of the free reward
bronze viper
the free reward + the mediocre thing I buy will usually end up being better than...
Yeah this makes sense, it's just funny to see people get owned by UC or a clutch boon offering from buying items that have very close to 0% chance of mattering, like Yarn or Ichor
undone tartan
Eurydice and midshops don’t
solar maple
can't get midshop as the last room
undone tartan
Wait I mean mini bosses
solar maple
you can get mini last room but it's reasonably rare
then from the normal combat rooms there are a few 1 exit ones but most are 2, then there are a couple 3 exits as well
undone tartan
Does taking Chaos in Asphodel make it more likely to get chamber 22 miniboss?
solar maple
depends when you take it
unborn fjord
here we go, 400 max hp, 300 current hp for FO2 HL5 dad
undone tartan
You still got ToSD?
unborn fjord
yes
solar maple
the way to get a 22 midboss generally is to get a 21 shop, which means having a combat in 20 and getting lucky
unborn fjord
and stubborn roots
undone tartan
How much time on the clock?
unborn fjord
3 minutes
solar maple
you got this
unborn fjord
unless I die
undone tartan
But don’t be too slow obviously
undone tartan
Congrats bloob! Is that your first 40 heat?
undone tartan
That’s huge! Well done
empty agate
I posted my picture of what I used for heat in the victory thing
27 seconds to spare. Since I used the 5 min thing
undone tartan
Yeah ofc you were low on time, you gave every enemy 30% more health
And also used AP1 which leads to having a worse build overall
Calisthenics Program is one of the worst pacts in the game
I don’t start using it until around 45 heat
empty agate
Lol I’m bad ok and I figured more health than more enemies. But I had chaos damage +. So I was hitting hard and killing quick
undone tartan
Clearly not quick enough
More health is way worse than more enemies. And more enemies is way worse than more damage from enemies
unborn fjord
yeah, seems like good reasoning until you realise dad would have 44200 hp
undone tartan
At 61 heat, they do RI3 and CP1. So think about that I guess lol
hardy garden
think dad has 16k a phase right so 20.8k with cp2 ig
undone tartan
17K
unborn fjord
17k
unborn fjord
yup
what's charon's hp?
Zeus shield is so friggin' good
welp, now time for 32 heat with all the other weapons
undone tartan
Just got my second 50 heat ever
unborn fjord
Eris
undone tartan
Oh Power Couple isn’t too bad for Eris
It’s pretty rough on Zeus, or at least it is for me because I’m bad with Zeus
undone tartan
It takes practice
Here’s a huge tip
If you Meg just as the skullcrusher hits the ground, there won’t be a shockwave
unborn fjord
considering swapping HL5 DC2 for FO2 DC1
undone tartan
If you can hit both of them with Meg, then the fight will be a lot easier, especially because the skullcrusher won’t do any damage when it first lands
unborn fjord
yeah, I missed my Meg that time, they usually aren't an issue for me when the meg does hit but DC2 made me panic
it was such a good seed too, I got epic Zeus attack chamber 1 and rocket bomb in chamber 2
undone tartan
Damn
bronze viper
Missing Meg on power couple is one of the least shameful times you can do that lol
unborn fjord
time to do rama 40 heat because why not and I can't figure out 32 heat sword
bronze viper
Did you know that triple shot let's you apply hangover basically as fast as your special?
unborn fjord
3 shots of attack and 3 shots of special, yeah
bronze viper
It's simple algebra
unborn fjord
epic chaos strike poggers
here's my Rama pact: HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 DC2 TD3
unique zephyr
Do CF1 HS over CF2, IMO, that was my Rama 40 pact
unborn fjord
AP blocked out smoldering air (I switched to 50 heat Zeus instead of Rama)
trim sigil
Wait I don't see AP in your pact-
undone tartan
Missing Meg on power couple is one of the least shameful times you can do that l...
Least shameful, but extremely painful
unborn fjord
Wait I don't see AP in your pact-
different pact , I lost the 40 heat and went back to attempting 50 heat Zeus shield
undone tartan
Just got 5-sacked out of the literal god run with 45 heat Zag bow
Sack RNG is literally the worst part of Hades
unborn fjord
ouch
Sack RNG is horrible, I wish there was a contractor upgrade or something to minimize it
unborn fjord
lmao
undone tartan
But yeah I was consistently power shotting for 1.5K+
undone tartan
115% dash strike damage, Artemis attack, Hunter dash, heart rend, twin shot, perfect shot
bronze viper
Lol it's not even uncommon to see 1.5k on just suffering damage
unborn fjord
I'm just used to smaller fast numbers ig
since I used to do exclusively hangover chaos
chunky aspects do chunk though
bronze viper
Rama does both pretty good. Its special is one of the better status appliers in the game
bronze viper
Nvm 1.5k power shots on Zag Bow pretty dece lol
undone tartan
Yeah it’s quite good
hardy garden
when regret elysium miniboss room
unborn fjord
when EM3 FO2 Asterius for the 5th time in a row on 3 hp
trim sigil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868852801663565824/895517580419272704/video0.mp4 trying to fix the embed
Didn't work (did work actually)
Oh boi, that's some angry asterius
undone tartan
Isn’t that my clip?
trim sigil
Yes
undone tartan
Oh
trim sigil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868852801663565824/895517580419272704/v...
It's right here
hardy garden
you know whats a bruh moment
when youre in elysium with 40 heat gilgadash and theres just a witch floating outta bounds
so you have to take 30 seconds just casting at it
.
hardy garden
how does that work
mossy zinc
Zag always has to attack in the opposite direction of his dash.
hardy garden
mossy zinc
Might need KBM for that.
mossy zinc
Yeah, exactly.
twilit rivet
(and aim at cursor on)
i don't know how you're used to not do that btw
i find it super weird to not be able to attack the enemy i want
hoary pasture
I turn that off on Eris Lucifer
It helps
Since you’re playing it close to enemies anyway
dense oasis
50 heat setup with Rama?
undone tartan
Here’s what I did
Btw, have you done 45 yet? Just for your sanity, because 50 heat is stupidly hard so I would not suggest even thinking about it until you do 45. Honestly I’d advise also doing 47 or 48 or even 49 before 50. Every heat you add increases the difficulty much more than the last (only exception I can think of is that 62 to 63 is probably a bigger jump than 63 to 64 imo)
You can also do RI2 AP1 CP0 instead of AP2 CP1
I wouldn’t suggest EM4 though
undone tartan
TD2??
undone tartan
I wouldn’t suggest that if you’re really struggling with 50
Maybe it’s better for if you’re trying to streak 50 heat but if you want the easiest way to do it, you definitely don’t want to add 3 extra heat
honest kernel
this was my first 50 clear I think its fine
undone tartan
50 was so incredibly hard for me, and TD2 is effectively 53 heat beside that you can’t get sacked
So I highly advise against it but I guess that’s me
honest kernel
you get to play more safely its chill
dense oasis
Dark Regeneration works with LC4?
undone tartan
No
Kat have you done 45 heat yet?
I can’t understate how different 50 is from 40
wintry berry
TD2 is fine, just need to be patient about every kill
undone tartan
I really don’t like it because I’m very comfortable with TD3 already so 95% of the time I’m gonna have 2 minutes left anyway
dense oasis
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/836135849623945246/unk...
That is 49 heat for me cause no hell mode
Also, RI 2?
wintry berry
either you put TD3 and you go fast, or TD2 and you go slowly
undone tartan
You have to use either RI2, AP2, or EM4. Maybe more than one of them
dense oasis
This is 49 heat damnit
honest kernel
just put td3 instead and remove cp or something
bronze viper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/836135849623945246/unk...
Yeah, this is my favorite 50 pact as well
dense oasis
I put ap2 and went 52 heat
bronze viper
Imo the most consistent. Not the easiest, but the one that minimizes the chance of RNG screw
undone tartan
Don’t do 52 
honest kernel
ap2 is pretty hard even with rama
bronze viper
I like starting runs with the baseline assumption that if I play sufficiently well I can finish the run. That just... isn't the case with AP2, TD3, or EM4
undone tartan
I was only doing AP2 because my run was seeded for C1 twin C2 heartbreak strike (which is a seed I stumbled upon and decided to replay a few times until I won)
dense oasis
I have no choice
undone tartan
You have lots of choice, actually
undone tartan
TD3
honest kernel
do td3 yeah
undone tartan
Do TD3 before AP2 100% if the time
eternal hare
AP2 is free heat
bronze viper
""""""free""""""
undone tartan
It’s never correct to do AP2 TD2 (unless the run is literally routed I guess) and I believe that to my core
eternal hare
Joking aside ri2 ap1 td3 is pretty consistent
bronze viper
Using some real bargain with the devil on a crossroads logic there lol. AP2 is "free". Please sign in blood here, and here, and here.
eternal hare
Find a good first hammer in tart and you're set
bronze viper
It’s never correct to do AP2 TD2 (unless the run is literally routed I guess) an...
This is definitely untrue. Rama's """easiest""" 57 is EM4 AP2 TD2
undone tartan
I don’t believe you
bronze viper
Work out the pact math yourself lol
eternal hare
I just went straight to 60 because I didn't want to do pact math
hoary pasture
I just went straight to 60 because I didn't want to do pact math
Totally relatable
bronze viper
LOL
honest kernel
whats this fancy pact maker some of you often use
bronze viper
honest kernel
thx
dense oasis
nope that's not possible for me
wintry berry
You can still learn
bronze viper
AP2 TD2 Hestia at lower 50s is also reasonable.
undone tartan
Work out the pact math yourself lol
I would just do AP1 TD3. Pact math works out, and I refuse to believe AP2 TD2 is easier there’s just no way unless your run is routed or maybe you’re using the speedrun mod
bronze viper
Kk, please get back to me when you finish a JS3 CP2 EM4 RI2 TD3 run LOL
honest kernel
its rama
bronze viper
God. Damn. Nightmare.
honest kernel
you play rama bc blue hearts dont matter
undone tartan
DC2 TD3 is totally fine
bronze viper
Yeah DC really doesn't figure much into Rama clear. You can't pre-fire into enemies (well you can if you have Triple Shot) but that's about it
dense oasis
Maybe I am still not good enough,. but I got a room with fast+multiply heads and I couldnt even react
bronze viper
That's probably the case. Rama's learning curve is through the roof
Lots of stuff to improve on, all the time
eternal hare
Yea
honest kernel
whats the highest heat you've done so far
undone tartan
Eh it’s a lot easier than Zeus
bronze viper
53
honest kernel
I meant for kat
dense oasis
32
honest kernel
OH
honest kernel
you might wanna start smaller?
undone tartan
The jump from 45 to 50 is as big as the jump from 0 to 40 imo
That’s what I was trying to say earlier
honest kernel
to get used to high heat
bronze viper
I was working on 57 before I took a break earlier this year but I burned out
undone tartan
32 to 50 is like you beat up a toddler and now you want to fight a black bear
honest kernel
I was working on 53 but rq on it
got rly close tho
maybe I'll do it in modded one day
bronze viper
I got very close to 53 Beo modded a couple of days ago. Well, nevermind, not even modded, I have the 2-sack mod but I forgot to turn it on LOL. Just got one the old fashioned way (+seeded)
eternal hare
Go get your 57 done 👀
bronze viper
Rama is so hard lol. Beo go brrr
eternal hare
Beo 55 was infinitely more frustrating than rama 60
undone tartan
Wait ledger you’re jumping from 53 to 57
bronze viper
wtf ocami you finished 60?
eternal hare
😔
honest kernel
😔
bronze viper
Wait ledger you’re jumping from 53 to 57 <:salubruh:858583162963886130>
This is how 50+ works btw. Your heat jumps by a lot because you just have the big poopy options left to take
eternal hare
Time to dig it up in speedcord for you haha
bronze viper
It's just my 53 pact + EM4
honest kernel
I couldnt stomach ap2 for 53 anymore
undone tartan
I’d maybe do that but remove CP and do 55
Would be much easier, and still a massive accomplishment
bronze viper
Well, you can't on Hell Mode, and honestly 1 rank of CP doesn't make a big deal to Rama. You're mostly gunning for good hammers with AP2 and good room RNG
bronze viper
Eh. As I mentioned before, 57 is a TD2 pact
undone tartan
Or I guess removing the extra 30%
bronze viper
(15%, Hell Mode)
undone tartan
I’m probably never gonna switch to hell mode
My reward for high heat is to see all my accomplishments in the admin chamber
bronze viper
Time to dig it up in speedcord for you haha
If it's annoying don't bother, I can look it up later <3. Super duper big congratulations though if so.
eternal hare
Ah it's fine I already pinged you with links
bronze viper
❤️
mossy zinc
Don’t do 52 <:salubruh:858583162963886130>
Why not? It's fun.
undone tartan
Because their personal best is 32
undone tartan
I guarantee they would just quit the game out of frustration because that’s like quadrupling the difficulty
mossy zinc
undone tartan
Nyaa you’re literally the same person who was telling me to do 47 or 48 before jumping from 45 to 50
mossy zinc
Yes, you.
bronze viper
That's you though
undone tartan
And talking about how huge that leap was
mossy zinc
You specifically.
undone tartan
20 actually
undone tartan
Because they will 100% guaranteed be miserable making that absurd a jump
mossy zinc
I said that to you because you were obviously not having any fun.
undone tartan
Why are you pretending that jumping for 32 to 52 is a good idea
bronze viper
(it's obviously not it's just easy to ruffle some low hanging feathers)
undone tartan
It would be easier to jump from your first clear to 40 tbh
bronze viper
Okay well let's not get carried away LOL
dense oasis
The conversation is moot because I can't even do 40 heat.
undone tartan
I honestly believe that
undone tartan
The conversation is moot because I can't even do 40 heat.
Then why did you ask for a 50 heat pact, then say you were gonna do 52?
narrow carbon
I am confident in most people changing their goals when they are not having fun. Others need a little encouragement to do so
dense oasis
I am at this point in this game where I am bored and need to push it more to have fun. But I can't
I think I reached my limit
bronze viper
what the AP2
undone tartan
Yeah that jump will not be fun I promise
bronze viper
Good build LOL
hoary pasture
what the AP2
freeheat
Its modded
Im guaranteed cast and cshot
but yea snow burst and hermes are nice i guess
bronze viper
oh link to that mod? I need it for Triple Shot + Drunken Strike Rama
undone tartan
CShot 50 gang rise up
dense oasis
Maybe I should try some mods, but then I will feel like I am cheating so I dunno
undone tartan
I’d love to play around with mods to give myself boons in the courtyard and stuff to test things
But I play on switch
bronze viper
If you wanted it hard enough you could mod the switch
undone tartan
I have the game on PC but I don’t really like using my PC because it’s a pain with my setup
And also it’s a pain to figure out how to download mods
undone tartan
If you wanted it hard enough you could mod the switch
There’s a reason most people who mod get a second switch to do so
dense oasis
If you wanted it hard enough you could mod the switch
I play on PC though
undone tartan
They were talking to me
bronze viper
Maybe I should try some mods, but then I will feel like I am cheating so I dunno
Generally good approach would be to do what you think will maximize your enjoyment of the game
dense oasis
Generally good approach would be to do what you think will maximize your enjoyme...
Doing 64 heat unseeded so pancake can explode
undone tartan
Do it
eternal hare
Ledger check the modded-runs pins in the speedcord
mossy zinc
Why are you pretending that jumping for 32 to 52 is a good idea <:bouldy:5233291...
m not "pretending" anything.
undone tartan
mossy zinc
I am confident in most people changing their goals when they are not having fun....
Exactly. Let people make their own experiences.
I did 20 > 32 > 41 > 52 personally.
dense oasis
Aight, I am gonna use that mod that gives you x100 damage .
undone tartan
Well if you’re getting bored while struggling with 40, the solution is not to try 50 instead
mossy zinc
Just because something didn't work for you or was frustrating for you doesn't mean it'll be the same for others.
hoary pasture
oh link to that mod? I need it for Triple Shot + Drunken Strike Rama
I downloaded the mod pack cgull posted in speedcord idk which is which #548318455695278123 message
bronze viper
thanks
mossy zinc
Well if you’re getting bored while struggling with 40, the solution is not to tr...
Or maybe that's exactly the motivation they needed.
hoary pasture
Alright Ely time
undone tartan
Or maybe that's exactly the motivation they needed.
That doesn’t make sense
mossy zinc
bronze viper
Lol, @gaunt fiber had a similar approach to learning aspects as well. "Never played Talos. K, time for 50 heat"
eternal hare
Same tbh
undone tartan
I did 32 24 and 40 24 so I can’t relate
mossy zinc
I remember quite a few of the people who've done 50+ making pretty big jumps to get there.
undone tartan
Good hammer
bronze viper
oh, chamber 27. Was about to say that's a thicc timer for Elysium
eternal hare
Why did you sell your attack boon
mossy zinc
Personally I don't get motivated to play serious unless the Heat is very high, I just do dumb stuff and see how much dumb I can get away with.
eternal hare
Now your passion flare is sad and tiny
hoary pasture
It was dio attack, I didnt want to sell call or cast
eternal hare
Rip
mossy zinc
But Beowulf is bugged and reverts your Cast AOE to default AOE when you sell your Attack boon.
undone tartan
Or maybe that's exactly the motivation they needed.
That’s like saying (idk how many people will get this): “Uggh grinding P5 is so annoying I can’t get past Sly. I’m gonna do P5AB instead.”
dense oasis
BUT I will try to not rely on a certain build in case I need to take AP2
undone tartan
That’s not really how it works in my experience, but whatever you want to do
mossy zinc
Not everyone is you.
undone tartan
But Beowulf is bugged and reverts your Cast AOE to default AOE when you sell you...
Wait what do you mean?
dense oasis
I am gonna do several 32 heat runs to adjust myself
eternal hare
We have gone over this before
undone tartan
Jeez that’s a massive leap. Alright, good luck
bronze viper
I'm also unaware. Beo's bug meta advances so quickly
eternal hare
Selling your attack boon makes your flare sad and base zag cast size unless you're on trippy or flood
mossy zinc
@dense oasis just put your Heat to whatever you feel like at the moment and do runs lol.
bronze viper
wow that's specific
undone tartan
Selling your attack boon makes your flare sad and base zag cast size unless you'...
How do you fix it? get a new attack boon? Also, how much bigger is passion flare than zag flare?
bronze viper
(a lot)
hoary pasture
I think im probably gonna time out
mossy zinc
It's because Trippy Flare and Flood Flare are actually just Trippy Shot and Flood Shot renamed in the code. But the other Flares are different boons from their normal variants.
eternal hare
Yeah it's like 20% more radius so a lot more area
bronze viper
Neat
eternal hare
Taking another attack boon won't fix it
undone tartan
Oh