Is the doom damage affected by p stats since technically it hits and removes the status (the sword over bad guys head)
#h1-high-heat-strategies
flat flicker
amber jetty
I think it does, doom technically ends after it does the damage
flat flicker
neato
amber jetty
Wonder if I could make a super giga backstab Arthur build with pstat, weak, and exposed that won't require 30 resets
How long is exposed?
bronze rapids
5 seconds???
amber jetty
Probably, Athena dash aphro special it is
@mossy zinc I apologise, I was wrong about empty inside it's gonna help me later
solemn pulsar
<@311477984886521856> I apologise, I was wrong about empty inside it's gonna hel...
yeah for selling 🙂
or more specifically low tolerance + curse of nausea
amber jetty
Nah I have a single use for it, other than that I'm probably not gonna use it anymore
Chonky backstabs 
jaunty falcon
Maybe if your only way of applying weak is through crush shot? Can't really think of any other reason to pick it tbh
amber jetty
Even then spacing casts out will apply it nearly all the time
jaunty falcon
New Hades high heat strategy: kill phase 3 really quickly http://imgur.com/gallery/IBOnghL
Now just imagine this was passion flare
shy plinth
Beooooooo
solemn pulsar
btw newest beo tech discovered this morning: trippy flare gets 2x value from poms
but doesn't show it on the tooltip
nocturne stag
I think that's a bug, not a tech. Then again so is most of Beowulf tech
jaunty falcon
So this means that level 1 common to level 2 common is bigger than mirage shot
100 -> 220
solemn pulsar
yeah
honest kernel
wtf
left prism
beo moment
honest kernel
how does beo keep getting more broken
next acorn
It crits for 2x so it’s fine 
quartz mantle
Anyways money good CF bad thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
undone tartan
Or I could just have a 4th god in my pool who I see once a region and gives me a trash boon to sell. Which always happens either way. I just find that, while CF can be detrimental from time to time, it doesn’t really hurt me too much, and by using it over something like Hard Labor, I can win a lot more runs with weapons that I’m a lot less good with
quartz mantle
Right and CF doesn't make the run "harder" per say, by increasing the damage you take for making a mistake, but it does lower your overall strength, less boons, health, poms, and well items
You know
CF is a lot like RI1
undone tartan
I’m willing to say that I might be wrong, but personally I really feel like CF is one of the easier pacts
wintry berry
Actually, on beo, if you only want a clear, you don't need that much boons.
quartz mantle
CF1 is basically loosing dark foresight 🤔
undone tartan
Actually, on beo, if you only want a clear, you don't need that much boons.
I feel like this is the case with a lot of the aspects that I use for higher heats. Would you agree that this is the case with Rama as well?
quartz mantle
Aspects that are good for high heat are good because they can survive with fewer boons
and can deal with pact options
undone tartan
with money?
No, I’m gonna choose them over gold doors since I don’t really need gold lol
wintry berry
Rooms will give you poms
you need poms as for every cast aspect but since beo is very strong, you don't need that much poms
undone tartan
Pash flare + snow burst + some poms
Should I be really prioritizing Snow Burst? Because right now I don’t do that. I didn’t even try for it on my 40 Beo heat run, which might be very wrong but idk
quartz mantle
Snow burst very good
spice lava
Snow burst allows free use of Priviledged status with aphro cast
quartz mantle
If you're using Flood Flare it's better to go for Mirage tho
spice lava
And even with Family Favorite, snow burst is good dps
undone tartan
Snow burst allows free use of Priviledged status with aphro cast
Eww Privileged Status? Why
quartz mantle
Trying to get Mirage on passion flare is pretty annoying at higher heat
gaunt fiber
Because high heat
quartz mantle
40% is a large number
wintry berry
Snow burst is very good, that's what I look for in asphodel
wintry berry
PS is easy to enable with pash flare + snow burst
quartz mantle
The reason you don't run PS more often is because you end up looking for boons specifically for status curses
ie: jolted or rupture
undone tartan
Wait are you actually saying I should use PS? I thought I talked to a bunch of good players about it earlier and the consensus was that, aside from a few specific cases, it’s just a lot worse than FF since you often have to take worse boons for it, and it’s hard to keep it always active
quartz mantle
This is one of those few specific cases
undone tartan
Is it really?
gaunt fiber
It's very specific yes. Excellent on beo
undone tartan
Alright I’ll try it next time
quartz mantle
The reason you don't run PS more often is because you end up looking for boons s...
But when the boons you already want give 2 different status curses it becomes 40% free damage more or less once you get those boons
spice lava
FF is free 25% dmg without thinking too much, PS means more dps but you start to gather boons that fit both the conditions and the mechanics of beo
quartz mantle
FF helps in Tart because it needs little to nothing to get itself going but Beo already deals with Tart pretty well by simply having good damage
undone tartan
Sure, I never struggle with Tartarus on Beo
eternal hare
I feel like this is the case with a lot of the aspects that I use for higher hea...
you can make it through with a solid % attack boon and pretty much nothing else, but the burden is shifted over on having good hammers since rama is an extremely hammer-reliant aspect
undone tartan
I’ll probably go for 41 or 42 heat Beo soon then, since you guys are giving me great advice that I didn’t use for my 40 heat run. If I can get 40 heat without that, I can definitely do even better with it
gaunt fiber
40 is a matter of habit I'd say. You can go with whatever
spice lava
Some aspects just feel less comfortable with TD3 but at 40 heat it's still possible to stick to TD2 and place points somewhere else in exchange
If needed
undone tartan
This was my pact for my 40 heat Beo run. What should I add next? I’m really not sure, since DC feels really hard (and obnoxious), and JS2 was hard enough so I’d hate to see JS3.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/881731025644969984/image0.jpg
undone tartan
Some aspects just feel less comfortable with TD3 but at 40 heat it's still possi...
I always do TD3 and it’s basically never an issue for me. I have a good amount of experience going fast
eternal hare
can also turn on HS and AP1 tbh
undone tartan
Em4
Oh god really, is it that time already? I have very little practice with EM4 so I’d have to do a bunch of low heat EM4 runs with Beo first
eternal hare
beo also deals with js quite well so you can really just turn on js3 without much noticeable difference from js2 imo
shy plinth
Beo is the best em4 weapon I think
eternal hare
and yeah beo is extremely good at the em4 fight
undone tartan
beo also deals with js quite well so you can really just turn on js3 without muc...
Alright, I probably will do that then
shy plinth
It's a much more common inclusion considering that your late game damage and survivability is really up there
undone tartan
I mean yeah I can tell Beo is good for Hades fight since I still had two acorn charges left in my 40 heat run
spice lava
Fighting EM4 with beo is different than the other shield aspects and it's even more different facing EM4 with a non shield aspect
undone tartan
But I’m incredibly unfamiliar with EM4. I’ve beaten it twice ever
shy plinth
Beo at higher heats generally struggles to get off the ground but dominates late
That's often why high heat beo runners go CF0 em4
undone tartan
So I’d have to do a bunch of practice runs first
shy plinth
Tyler even recommended going CF0 no UC
undone tartan
I don’t really find myself short on boons generally
next acorn
No UC seems kinda weird
shy plinth
I was never on the UC0 train myself but I also am not a high heat beo player
spice lava
Do you plan to clear 50 heat one day Hat? 👀
shy plinth
Not currently lol
I need to push more 40s
Spent this week cracking off rust and doing 32s, I also need to start recording since the 32 heat leaderboard is pretty empty
eternal hare
👀
gaunt fiber
Hurry up Mr Hat 
shy plinth
I dunno I didn't think sub 15 32s were all that impressive
But I guess nobody is submitting their times so I might as well
next acorn
What is a good 32 time
wintry berry
sub-10 at least
shy plinth
Current patch only has 49 runs on the 32 leaderboard
eternal hare
sub-8 would put you in top8
gaunt fiber
I dunno I didn't think sub 15 32s were all that impressive
32 is still pure Speedrun. People times are like any heat + a big minute
gaunt fiber
40 will make you a good 32 heat speedrunner I think
But from what I've seen on your screenshots you don't seek speed
eternal hare
50s did make me better at doing 40 speeds 👀
gaunt fiber
And that's fine as is tbh
shy plinth
I mean I don't seek speedrun speed yeah
But I want to move fast enough to win on 5 sacks
gaunt fiber
Yup I knew that much. I can read into your soul mr Hat
(as long as it's linked to Hades)
(children card games too hard)
shy plinth
Hah
I am on the leaderboard for my other game rn so Hades might be a minute before I push
mossy zinc
CF1 is basically loosing dark foresight 🤔
Not even close.
You can skip shops for free rewards. You don't need to enter every shop.
next acorn
but timer
solemn pulsar
She just means final ships
solemn pulsar
Mid shops aren’t guaranteed to be opposite gold rooms
mossy zinc
Yeah, but when they are, you can take the free gold laurel reward.
mossy zinc
It's free in the sense that you pay no money. You know what I meant.
solemn pulsar
If timer isn’t an issue just take shop and fight Charon for more money
And a discount
sudden ruin
can you guys give some tips for 32 Heat with Chiron bow?
solemn pulsar
Only if you stop there
mossy zinc
can you guys give some tips for 32 Heat with Chiron bow?
pew pew pew
I hope that helped.
Don't take FO or DC or EM4. Beyond that, just pew-pew-pew safely from far.
I assume you know Chiron builds?
sudden ruin
I do but apparently I’m missing something. Might be skill. But i’m getting shredded when using +40% mobs. can’t make the deadline
shy plinth
What's your pact?
Chiron is single target and slow, it's really gonna struggle with JS
sudden ruin
em3, +40% enemies, benefits, management and the fewer boons + time limit 7min
mossy zinc
Yeah, don't take JS2 if that's killing you. Easy change.
Do LC4 with Stubborn Defiance.
And HL5 should be fine, too.
sudden ruin
ah! This could help.
mossy zinc
HL5 LC4 FO0 and just no-hit most of the run like you probably would at lower heats anyway.
gaunt fiber
That's gonna sound stupid but try to accelerate your plays
You can play Chiron really aggressively at melee ish range
sudden ruin
I will try that. I think i’m struggling with the no-hit thing a bit at that difficulty.
gaunt fiber
That way you could make use of a dash and hence saving some time
mossy zinc
Yeah.
gaunt fiber
Pure practice will carry you far, don't worry
eternal hare
takes a little practice but you'll find that SD actually lets you get hit more than you'd need to worry about with DDs
eternal hare
and you save so much money from not having to buy healing
mossy zinc
Well, with that pact, enemies are gonna be no more numerous or faster than at low heats. You're just gonna have to get used to BP2 enemies, but that's not too difficult at FO0 tbh.
Especially because Chiron can just shoot them from far and doesn't really have to deal with most of their stuff.
Make sure you enter every Chaos Gate for Flourish, Lunge, Strike, Soul, Favor, or Affluence, in probably that order.
sudden ruin
true. I tried to pair Chiron with Ares to spray hit but that wasn’t enough with more enemies. Think i will go back to Artemis on Special
mossy zinc
Chiron kinda needs the DPS from Master Chaos.
sudden ruin
Chiron kinda needs the DPS from Master Chaos.
ah, i missed that one as well
gaunt fiber
Forced overtime is hard but worth practicing if you wanna push the heat though
shy plinth
Chiron needs a daedalus keepsake
mossy zinc
Start Heartbreak Strike, then grab whichever you see first between Deadly Flourish and Drunken Flourish.
gaunt fiber
It's ok for Chiron too
mossy zinc
Curse of Pain doesn't really work well.
sudden ruin
Start Heartbreak Strike, then grab whichever you see first between Deadly Flouri...
Is drunken flourish as effective as deadly ?
gaunt fiber
You gotta adapt by tagging everyone but it's pretty good yeah. Not for speed, but you'll clear
mossy zinc
More or less, yeah. Works better with Privileged Status, while Deadly Flourish works better with Family Favorite. But they're both pretty good.
gaunt fiber
It's great when you don't have access to more boons, self sufficient
sudden ruin
You gotta adapt by tagging everyone but it's pretty good yeah. Not for speed, bu...
will I be fast enough with that?
gaunt fiber
Of course
mossy zinc
Drunken Flourish is a bit better at dealing with multiple enemies.
gaunt fiber
My 50 heat Chiron is drunken flourish start
mossy zinc
For speed, you'd want Tidal Dash start and then get Tempest Flourish + Sea Storm, anyway.
sudden ruin
okay, that is helpful to know
mossy zinc
Also something you can pivot into from Heartbreak Strike start if that's what you see in Tartarus.
gaunt fiber
It's a bit tricky. You have to apply hangover here and there. It's very dynamic
sudden ruin
hangover beats ares I guess ?
shy plinth
Hangover stacks, doom does not
gaunt fiber
Doom with dire misfortune is super fun
However it's not really something you'll go for reliably
sudden ruin
good point
mossy zinc
Frost Flourish can also be really good if you get her other stuff. But you'd probably want that to be Epic.
sudden ruin
you mean the explosion one from her?
mossy zinc
But if you're in Tartarus and see an Epic Frost Flourish, might as well take it.
shy plinth
I wish there were more builds where demeter was core
Her boons are so fun but there's rarely a reason to take her
mossy zinc
I mean like all of her other stuff lol. She kinda needs a lot to get good DPS, but Chill is great.
gaunt fiber
Demeter is in this weird place, a support god with few super good boons and some are ... They exist
sudden ruin
I love the slow effect from demeter
mossy zinc
Her t2 boons don't scale with poms at all, as in you can't pom them. So you just need a lot of t2 boons from her to get good damage.
sudden ruin
ah shame
mossy zinc
Since they only scale with rarity, I guess just take the one that has the greatest rarity at the time.
quartz mantle
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Obligatory "CF2 gross"
mossy zinc
Not thanking the girls, huh.
gaunt fiber
CF2 smile
shy plinth
But if we're going for a no FO chiron pact
mossy zinc
My 32 Heat guide is infallible.
eternal hare
i dont mind cf2 much anymore
sudden ruin
… and ladies 😉
sudden ruin
My 32 Heat guide is infallible.
you have a guide for that?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
Works.
sudden ruin
interesting. Never tried stubborn defiance on higher heat
mossy zinc
Stubborn Defiance allows you to circumvent LC4.
shy plinth
SD LC4 is pretty meta
mossy zinc
If you've lost your SD in the chamber before picking up Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena, she will "replenish" a DD. And when you enter the next chamber, you get your SD back like normal, too.
So you can get 2 DDs from her like that in a run.
Hence the Owl Pendant in Asphodel.
sudden ruin
Damn. That is a good hint. Alright.
mossy zinc
Come to think of it, the guide is kind of like a high heat starter kit to get used to LC4 SD meta + Acorn.
Oh, and if you have a DD from her, don't take the Lucky Tooth. It's bugged and will overwrite a DD.
mossy zinc
Although getting a DD from her when using SD in the first place is a bug they decided to leave in because it's so important for high heat meta without impacting like 99% of the playerbase at all.
So it's probably not gonna get patched, I suspect.
gaunt fiber
And the F10 functionality is saying goodbye soon
shy plinth
"unintended interaction"
sudden ruin
And the F10 functionality is saying goodbye soon
F10 functionality?
mossy zinc
Once you know about it, it's not a big deal. And if you have a DD from her already, there's no real need for Lucky Tooth anyway.
F10 for bug reports.
mossy zinc
PC.
sudden ruin
ok
sudden ruin
i do have a .mac but I never used it for games 😅.
gaunt fiber
F10 functionality?
If you press F10 in game you can report a bug
gaunt fiber
Well I'm not sure where the F10 key is on a controller
sudden ruin
nope. it’s not 😀
gaunt fiber
sudden ruin
I have the game for PS5, too.
Do you think it’s easier on PC? Which platform do you prefer?
shy plinth
Platform should be irrelevant, controls are the important factor imo
Switch can lag a bit on heavy visual effect screens
mossy zinc
I haven't actually played the game on PS5 yet.
next acorn
the only real advantage to PC is being able to use practice saves
mossy zinc
PC is easier because I can just set Hades's HP to 1 if I want to. 
gaunt fiber
the only real advantage to PC is being able to use practice saves
also frame rate, mods, easy way to record
or stream
next acorn
also true
sudden ruin
the only real advantage to PC is being able to use practice saves
what are practice saves? just another save?
mossy zinc
Just gotta delete some 0s and a 7 in EnemyData.lua.
next acorn
You can mess with the games files to make it so when you hit give up it puts you back at the start of the room again
its good for practicing boss fights
flat flicker
damn now I need to buy it for pc
gaunt fiber
You can make the game think the temporary save it makes at the beginning/end of a room is your actual main save
flat flicker
Would love to have some em4 training lol
sudden ruin
ah, that is helpful indeed
shy plinth
Are you running on high heat?
We're glad to answer but if this is for your first clear there's probably great advice to be found in #h1-builds-and-combat
That channel is more built for helping build up the fundamentals
torn tendon
We're glad to answer but if this is for your first clear there's probably great ...
oops sorry
quiet mountain
GIPHY MOMENT
trim maple
GOD. I hate Elysium on 32 heat oh my lawddddd
flat flicker
Just finished a 34 Eris and it was like…pretty easy
thanks for all the help gang
I’m like, good at a video game now
next acorn
Nice
tame swift
Sweet Jesus im struggling at 14, can't even begin imagining how impossible it gets on 30+
vital grove
It's very possible, the people here for the most part have been playing Hades much longer.
An average SGG Discord Heat runner can do 32 in their sleep when in practice. 🔥
bronze rapids
32 is not mega scary if you pick a "easy" weapon and pact, I started playing earlier this year, and now can do 32 once in a while
tawdry atlas
I think something is wrong with my heat gauge
im supposed to get bounties at every heat level right
spice lava
On normal save you can have bounties from Heat 0 to heat 20 and if I remember right, Heat 0 needs to be done first on a weapon or the rest of the bounties won't follow
tawdry atlas
On normal save you can have bounties from Heat 0 to heat 20 and if I remember ri...
hmm I didnt beat hades on heat 0 with the fists but i still got bounties for heat 1
spice lava
Yeah but if you have uncompleted bounties at 0 Heat and you decide to go for Heat 1 the game will show you Heat 1 bounties status instead of 0
Anyway, back to your save, what's the issue with your Heat gauge?
tawdry atlas
Anyway, back to your save, what's the issue with your Heat gauge?
so i have to beat hades at every heat to get new bounties for the next heat
I cant go to the bone hydra on heat 1 and get the diamond then go to heat 2 to get another diamond or something
spice lava
Ah no
If you have uncompleted bounties at Heat 1 and you go for Heat 2, finishing your Heat 2 run will only unlock the missing rewards from Heat 1
tawdry atlas
If you have uncompleted bounties at Heat 1 and you go for Heat 2, finishing your...
ohhhh ok
damn
spice lava
Said differently, from Heat 1 to Heat 20 you can unlock all of them by doing 20 Heat runs 20 times
spice lava
Well 20 runs on every weapon can feel slow for some people
tawdry atlas
wait i beat meg and hydra on heat 0 but on heat 1 i beat meg hydra and thesis so if i beat thesis again on heat 1 ill get another ambrosia cos i didnt do it on heat 0 is that what you're saying?
spice lava
I said that Heat 0 and the rest of the Heat is a different matter
But starting Heat 1, Heat 2 or higher will only unlock rewards from Heat 1 if you left some locked rewards behind
tawdry atlas
ah this is so confusing
spice lava
Let's say that the Heat 0 vs the rest of Heat is confusing but Heat 0 isn't supposed to be casually ignored I guess
honest kernel
just play it and you'll see
tawdry atlas
so basically i have to beat hades at every heat level to achieve new bounties for the next heat
spice lava
Well no.
spice lava
Maybe I'm explaining it very badly Idk
From Heat 1 to Heat 20, you can do it the slow way and increase the Heat one by one for each run
honest kernel
its a bit hard to put in words
spice lava
If you get a reward, just pay attention to the text, it will say which level of Heat it comes from
From those clues you should find out what's happening
@honest kernel wanna see a sad AP2 story? 👀
That was a big rollercoaster but in the end rupture was never found
And tempest flourish is sad on its own with Zeus
I probably should haven given up this run earlier but the time left and the AP2 DD's were so attractive 👀
honest kernel
😔
im
im w 2 boons in ely
frost strike and tidal dash
theres a trial
its so tempting
dem/ares
screw it im doing it
mossy zinc
Inb4 2 exchanges in the trial. 
honest kernel
run was silly anyway
spice lava
Which aspect? 👀
mossy zinc
Rama, of course.
spice lava
The 55 quest? 👀 ✨
honest kernel
nah im doing 52
for now
I died to special bouncing to pot next to me
im starting to hate arte atk more and more ngl
time to learn beo
honest kernel
like frost strike without KF felt better
solemn pulsar
15% crit is awful on a weapon that attacks slowly
honest kernel
I eventually got splitting headache
but then I died to hades
aphro atk start incoming tbh
solemn pulsar
Or arty dash if you don’t mind no divine dash or something
Epic divine strike also fun
honest kernel
yeah the only reason why I started doing arty is bc ap2
I did get to hades on 55 with arty dash so its nothin to scoff at
but when I have to deal with the atk instead...bleh
I might just run seeded
quartz mantle
like frost strike without KF felt better
Hmmmmmm interesting
If only someone had mentioned how good frost strike is on Rama
mossy zinc
She didn't say good. She said better than Deadly Strike. 
quartz mantle
That sounds like good in my book
mossy zinc
@cursive ridge EM2 FO2 TD3 and EM3 FO2 TD3 are good practice pacts. You wanna be able to clear that consistently with at least your main aspect.
If you can throw in BP2, even better.
cursive ridge
ill try those tomorrow although i don’t necessarily have a main aspect yet
mossy zinc
Well, just whatever you think is the aspect you want to do high heat with. If you're more of a generalist, you can practice with all of the aspects you usually play.
cursive ridge
i just use whatever i feel like at the time but i mostly use chaos hestia demeter and beo
been having a lot of fun with chaos actually
mossy zinc
Getting used to LC4 with Stubborn Defiance is also good. If you lose your SD in the room and then pick up Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena, she will "replenish" a DD. And then you'll get your SD back in the next chamber like normal, too.
But EM BP FO and TD are like the main things. You want to be able to deal with the EM bosses, BP elites, FO enemies more generally, and still clear within 20 minutes.
Keeping on HS if you regularly run into traps might also be good just to force you to learn trap layouts for each chamber.
Everything else is just enemies hit harder, more enemies, fewer choices... so once you got those practice pacts down, it's much easier to adjust to things like Hard Labor etc.
cursive ridge
i think LC has been the hardest one for me to get used to
i think i used LC2 in one run its reduces the errors u can make by so much
when taking high levels of LC i shud switch to dark regeneration right?
shy plinth
LC4+stubborn defiance is the way to go, it's not usually advisable to do partial LC
Once you're ready to push heat that's an important adjustment to make to your play
amber jetty
when taking high levels of LC i shud switch to dark regeneration right?
Lc4 it doesnt matter, you're not gonna heal from either of them
cursive ridge
Lc4 it doesnt matter, you're not gonna heal from either of them
yeah at first i was just thinking of maybe going to LC2 or 3, but i just got told its not really good to take partial LC
amber jetty
Partial lc is pretty rough yeah
quartz mantle
cthonic vitality is still better with partial lc
since you're losing out on more health gained overall if you're using dark regen
plus dark regen is never really worth it
quartz mantle
Not until you get to like 40+
eternal hare
nothing really stops you from taking LC3 but it's definitely in a weird spot where the healing you do get doesn't do a whole lot so you may as well be running LC4 SD anyway
cursive ridge
is it worth to go em4 instead of LC4 for non super high heats?
tame swift
i-is there a dictionary anywhere because I just can't with abbreviations
tame swift
cool ty
quartz mantle
is it worth to go em4 instead of LC4 for non super high heats?
you can play around with the pact all you want until you get to 32, at that point you want to start making smart choices about the pacts you take
flat flicker
is it worth to go em4 instead of LC4 for non super high heats?
My first 32 was em4 with no LC but it is on average easier to do LC4 with stubborn
A month ago I was afraid of it too, I get it
now I get excited when I time a death just right as the room ends lol
undone tartan
What’s the best strategy for Hestia at 32 heat?
jaunty falcon
I'd start aphro attack probably
Just don't use the special if you're not used to the aspect
undone tartan
Ok
eternal hare
it doesn't cost you anything to use the special while you're reloading though so you may as well
undone tartan
Do I want any other specific boons?
eternal hare
the good special hammers are absolutely still worth taking and using in which case artemis on special would do quite well
jaunty falcon
Battle rage is nice, and the usual smoldering air
undone tartan
Do I want Tidal Dash?
jaunty falcon
It's good
eternal hare
yeah, it's a great source of aoe
jaunty falcon
But you might want divine dash instead
eternal hare
but if you're not going for speed and more for a clear you don't absolutely need it
undone tartan
Ok I’ll probably prioritize Divine Dash but if I see Tidal Dash I’ll take it
jaunty falcon
It will likely make the timer a non-issue
Sometimes BP can screw you over in Tartarus, not with splash dash
eternal hare
having a dash that does damage at all goes a long way
sudden ruin
true
hard gale
I feel like Hestia with chain shot should be good
I don't play that aspect tho so I don't really know
jaunty falcon
Yeah ricochet fire is great
mossy zinc
What’s the best strategy for Hestia at 32 heat?
Remapping reload to a shoulder button.
And then pew pew.
You don't need much of a strategy for Hestia beyond pew pew.
Get Hunter Dash or Tidal Dash or Divine Dash.
And all the Strike and Lunge boons you can get from Master Chaos.
And a decent Attack.
Smoldering Air is always nice.
Decent Special is nice, but you don't even need to press Special once at 32 Heat.
mossy zinc
Anvil can be decent depending on your hammers.
But then again, Hestia doesn't need hammers for 32.
Nor boons.
Nor the mirror.
There's a reason it's the most popular aspect for boonless and mirrorless.
Just don't take DC2, I guess.
jaunty falcon
And boonless mirrorless 32 heat 
mossy zinc
Yeah but m the only one who did that lol.
jaunty falcon
I've died to hades so many times trying it
mossy zinc
Although you could do DC2 and just take Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike, I guess.
jaunty falcon
Probably like 4/5 times
solar maple
the strategy for hestia is to run away and shoot the enemies, maybe with an attack boon
mossy zinc
Very on point lol.
solar maple
if you are feeling particularly spicy, dash at them
jaunty falcon
And maybe cast and special too
mossy zinc
I've died to hades so many times trying it
jaunty falcon
:(
undone tartan
Remapping reload to a shoulder button.
Yeah I did that
mossy zinc
Although I hope you don't beat my record, because then I'll have to do another boonless mirrorless run.
And the category is so bland lol.
mossy zinc
m the only person who's done boonless mirrorless at 32+ as far as I know.
strange parrot
I hate playing sword so damn much
solemn pulsar
m the only person who's done boonless mirrorless at 32+ as far as I know.
what are the boonless rules anyway
can you take UC?
AP?
if you pick up a boon you just dont use it?
and then just purge them?
mossy zinc
There's no rule to purge boons. You're not allowed to benefit from any boon in your run. That's the rule.
solemn pulsar
isn't purging them benefiting from them?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
We briefly discussed not counting any AP heat or banning it because it only adds RNG, but we never formally introduced a rule for that.
Would be worth going into if there was more interest in the category.
But as it is, no one really cares for it too much.
elfin rock
couldnt people cheat in boonless tho
mossy zinc
It's quite a bland category. Turns out game that was designed for using lots of boons is more fun when actually using boons.
Cheat?
elfin rock
and get an attack bboon only to purge it before hades fight
to make the game slightly easier for them
or even 3 boons
mossy zinc
No.
elfin rock
as pool of purging allows you to purge 3
mossy zinc
If they have an Attack boon and use their Attack on any enemy, the run is ineligible for boonless.
They have to have a video after all.
mossy zinc
Yup.
I think right now it might sort victory screens only into the same sheet, but that's just simply because we have one "mirrorless" and one "challenges" sheet.
We'd separate more categories from the challenges sheet if people would actually run them.
elfin rock
i see
how did u do mirrorless boonless btw
hestia with shackle all the way through?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
elfin rock
and i assume RI4 or did you just purge the mirror
mossy zinc
RI4 yeah.
mossy zinc
Run is on the leaderboard if you want to watch.
elfin rock
o
i might give it a watch actually
i might attempt it someday
ill need to do at least a few boonless runs
and a few mirrorless runs beforehand tho
mossy zinc
Pretty sure it was in the test branch when they buffed Shackle to +100%.
You don't need to practice boonless for Hestia. Playstyle is no different.
You just gotta learn boss fights with one dash.
That's pretty much it.
elfin rock
i can barely do them with 2 dashes 
tomorrow ill give it a go
there was one piece advice that you gaev that really helped me tho
about how u get iframes if u dont attack while dashing i think it was
mossy zinc
Well, you can watch what I did or some other mirrorless runs for single dash boss fights.
Yeah, empty dash is super important.
You're basically just wildly swinging and maybe hoping to get out of range if you don't use your dashes to i-frame attacks.
elfin rock
especially during the hades spin attack
flat flicker
especially during the hades spin attack
you’ll learn how to fight dad, promise
I think I’m gonna give hestia a whirl. Haven’t really used it much
ashen garnet
Nothing makes you play cleaner than running boonless/mirrorless or mono dash in general. Just checked how I played months ago and there's a clear difference. I still find the challenge pretty interesting
gaunt fiber
Nothing except Guan Yu
glacial gorge
Yeah high heat guan yu runs essentially become try not to get hit lol
elfin rock
pierced butterfly moment
main quarry
Whitch keesakes are good in high heat? Or general?
honest kernel
gods, acorn, skullearing, purse, mom pom sometimes
you usually wanna start by forcing gods for your build
and then going into acorn for elysium and em3 hades
main quarry
During RUN do you change? In the sense of this in the beginning, this in the middle, and this in Hades?
Ohh..
honest kernel
yes
honest kernel
god keepsakes are only worth it to force gods really
after you used them once you should switch
main quarry
I don't know, but I think so. If I hit a given god, does the% that I meet him increase?
main quarry
Maybe because my English is not very good, I am still learning.
Anyway..
For example, if I hit Zeus .. Does %% on Zeus rise to meet his gift in the next chambers?
honest kernel
its okay
main quarry
Or maybe the chance to meet a given god is always the same?
honest kernel
the keepsake guarentees that you met a god once after that the chance to meet them is normal
main quarry
Yeah, that i know but normally?
gaunt fiber
Gods keepsakes have one charge. After that, it's boon rarity and nothing else
main quarry
Yes, I understand that, but I'm not talking about keepsakes anymore
waxen relic
There is however a mechanic that prevents you from meeting more gods naturally if you already encountered 4 except Hermes.
main quarry
so it depends on wether your god pool is completed or not
Oh... What you mean? 
gaunt fiber
The games naturally wants you to have 4 gods. Once you reached that amount, it's 1/4
gaunt fiber
before that, it's lottery
main quarry
gaunt fiber
that's why completing your god pool is important, it allows you to meet more of your main god
main quarry
So... if i have our 4 gods, chance to meet another from the pool is less chance, right?
gaunt fiber
(because usually a build is efficient with some tier 2 boons, not with 8 boons from each god)
honest kernel
its normally 0
gaunt fiber
^
honest kernel
4 gods is the natural limit
main quarry
Now make sense
gaunt fiber
you can break that limit with god keepsakes or sometimes buying a boon in shop
main quarry
So if I do not buy from Charon and use Keepsakes, I will always find the 4 that I already have?
gaunt fiber
Oh no you can definitely buy from Charon. I meant that a 5th god could appear in the shop
quartz mantle
High heat runs usually go
god keepsake > god keepsake > tooth/acorn > tooth/acorn for keepsakes yea
gaunt fiber
but otherwise, yup, only these 4
quartz mantle
Yea if you have 3 gods in your pool and a 4th is in the shop while a 5th is the reward for the next room, you could potentially get a 5 god pool
gaunt fiber
^
quartz mantle
it's not common but it can happen
main quarry
Okey, thank you very much all. You are guys very helpfull ❤️
honest kernel
whennyou get an amazing run but the speeder slugger chariot says nuh uh
terse kestrel
flame wheels release go bbrrrrr
honest kernel
flame wheel release doesnt help aganist big chariots...
ripe ermine
whennyou get an amazing run but the speeder slugger chariot says nuh uh
Ugh that was me yesterday too. “Is that a Speede…” DEAD
honest kernel
😔
spice lava
Got styxed yesterday, Rats moved better than me
honest kernel
you were killed by the smol rats?
amber jetty
rat's got the shmoovs
spice lava
honest kernel
your summon not hitting anything hurts tremendously 
spice lava
I missed Zeus' last tick of the special on this one
honest kernel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831148717687701504/882298311598559242/vlc...
oh my gods no
🍞
spice lava
One day maybe 👀
hard gale
🐱
spice lava
Zeus is really sneaky gameplay
You learn how to drive the aspect
When you focus too much on the special you forget the foes
honest kernel
special and then hide behind your shield
spice lava
And when you pay too much attention to the foes you can misplay the dps
That's one of the strategies yes, but timer requires to not stay too much behind the shield 👀
mossy zinc
They dodged Battie then things went wrong
That Meg summon was way late.
mossy zinc
Zeus is really sneaky gameplay
Just play Charged Shot and press Special occasionally. Easy.
spice lava
Your jokes are not fun to me, sorry 👀 💦
mossy zinc
Neither was a joke.
The Meg summon was way too late, and Charged Shot is good enough for 50 Heat whether you ever press Special or not.
arctic tusk
Is there a sort of guide to navigate increasing heat levels?
From the perspective of which modifiers to use first?
arctic tusk
Awesome
Thank you.
mossy zinc
@spice lava I'd wait for the second miniboss to drop before summoning Meg, anyway. Good chance to hit both, even better chance to hit at least one.
quartz mantle
I usually wait until both spawn to use meg for styx
spice lava
I'll try next time (if I don't go back to Antos)
spice lava
I don't deny that the meg summon was my mistake but the charged shot suggestion doesn't really help me because that's not a hammer I focus to win because of AP1/AP2
solemn pulsar
Also charged shot pretty unsafe
Actually not a great 50 heat take
Bull rush is so valuable for movement
gaunt fiber
You're still covered during the charge
solemn pulsar
it's not about during the charge
gaunt fiber
I mean it's a better charged skewer (not in terms of numbers ofc) and people think it's unsafe
solemn pulsar
its about during the shot and immediately afte rit
gaunt fiber
Sure
solemn pulsar
bull rush is good because it applies some damage, but also puts you somewhere else
solemn pulsar
charged shot is a huge increased damage risk during the hades fight, mostly
gaunt fiber
Yeah you have to play the video game again
solemn pulsar
ok, but quit being a baby means that not doing that is an increase in difficulty
which is what i'm saying
gaunt fiber
Absolutely
solemn pulsar
nyaa was saying that just get charged shot and it's a free win at 50
i'm disputing that
solemn pulsar
it ok I can just remember the 20 years you aged when trying to get your first GY 50 clear
solemn pulsar
i would say you should have just used a shield from the start and it would have been better for your health
but i've seen you play shield, so i know that's not true
gaunt fiber
LOL
honest kernel
👴
mossy zinc
nyaa was saying that just get charged shot and it's a free win at 50
I didn't say free. I basically just mean you'll have all the DPS you.
Obviously there was some hyperbole.
solemn pulsar
charged shot really falls off damage wise
without scaling as well
even picking up a good rarity + pom heartbreak strike will still make the hades fight a slog
mossy zinc
It's good enough.
honest kernel
The big part about Charged Shot is that you have to get used to no bullrush shield
Which is not something everyone can do
And I definitely wouldn't recommend it on 1-dash
Since you have to actually commit to do your damage
eternal hare
technically already does
quartz mantle
I approve of this pact
solemn pulsar
look i was doing a 50 heat beo speedrun on the speedrunning modpack
wanted to use charged shot because it's fast
but it's rough for hades, so i did DDs
and just didn't die
until hades
smarts
solemn pulsar
it's charged shot beowulf, it's not too bad
eternal hare
big 2/3 pie block plate safe
solemn pulsar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAL3aKZyuXU check it out
quartz mantle
Enemies cannot damage you if they are dead
solemn pulsar
i found patty, but had full DDs lol
bronze viper
extra charged shot damage ezpz
solemn pulsar
yep
quartz mantle
Do you think Collar in styx has merit with DDs?
quartz mantle
Tooth is 100 extra health in the form of a DD, Collar gives 50 max health, with 3 dds you effectively gain 125 health with it
granted that's like
a very marginal increase
quartz mantle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAL3aKZyuXU check it out
Also level 6 special on Beo is funny
honest kernel
quartz mantle
Yea plus the extra 25 hp off of a revive is not enough to really make a difference
I thought collar gave more than just 50 health honestly
then I looked it up and was like
"yea no it's never worth"
honest kernel
sadge
quartz mantle
acorn is still better value overall so it's w/e
solemn pulsar
Also level 6 special on Beo is funny
AP poms LUL
quartz mantle
fr
Also I loved getting the bait dialogue from Poseidon and Arte just for Mirage to get crossed out
solemn pulsar
was a fun run for sure
also funny in how it came about, since the previous run i had just forgotten to switch to SDs, but made it to EM4 after taking an unintenional DD in asphodel (thought i was losing the SD lol)
it did so well that i decided to just keep with it
charged shot beowulf just trivializes everything up to hades
quartz mantle
Yea I honestly enjoyed playing dds a lot more than SDs they make you play a lot smarter through the whole run instead of just unga-bunga'ing every room
solemn pulsar
EM4 specifically
gaunt fiber
Idk speedrunners use DDs to unhga bunga Hades
solemn pulsar
EM4 pacts are often about preparing for that fight
gaunt fiber
SD is smarter to me. You play aggressively in rooms but it does not mean you just suicide, otherwise you're dead
solemn pulsar
it really only applies to super safe weps like shield
gaunt fiber
And you have to get a bit better on bosses
thick ermine
whats a simple to use build to tackle higher heats? (after finishing the main story)
honest kernel
hestia w aphro atk and thats all you'll need
solemn pulsar
best would be to iterate on a weapon you're already comfortable and familiar with, unless you want to try other aspects
unless it's a sword/fists/spear thing, since those are a little harder at heat
what weapons/aspects are you most comfy with?
thick ermine
best would be to iterate on a weapon you're already comfortable and familiar wit...
so far im best with the sword but like I would also want to learn to master another kind of weapon
solemn pulsar
the hestia rail suggestion is definitely good to get some easy high heat clears, since it's just shoot + reload + move out of the way
sword is tough at high heat because of enemy speed + damage increasing so much
thick ermine
alright! I'll try that out!
mossy zinc
The big part about Charged Shot is that you have to get used to no bullrush shie...
It's bow but you get to block. 
mossy zinc
And I *definitely* wouldn't recommend it on 1-dash
Much like single-dash bow.
mossy zinc
I think calling Charged Shot "hard" to learn is a serious stretch tbh.
honest kernel
On beowulf, probably not
mossy zinc
On any shield.
honest kernel
On other shields, it's actually kinda hard
mossy zinc
Nah.
honest kernel
at 50+, that is
Not impossible to learn, but if you want to do any EM4, it's gonna be tough
mossy zinc
I mean it might be harder than just having full invincibility during Bull Rush, but that doesn't make it hard relative to other things.
Like.
Malphon or Stygius is hard.
quartz mantle
Adjusting to Charged Shot gameplay can definitely be difficult if you're not used to it
mossy zinc
I mean do a couple runs with it.
quartz mantle
It's also just in general less safe than having a move that gives you i-frames while giving you movement and damage
honest kernel
I think calling Charged Shot "hard" to learn is a serious stretch tbh.
I mean, this is the main point we are discussing here.
At the lower heats, it's easy, sure.
elfin rock
id say learning FO2 or TD2 is harder than learning charged shot
honest kernel
But the higher you climb, the more having to commit to an option that makes you stand still while also removing the bullrush is pretty difficult
We never said anything about it being the hardest thing ever
Just that it's hard
elfin rock
neither did i lol
mossy zinc
I mean 50 Heat is hard. That doesn't mean Charged Shot is in any way in particular harder than other things.
honest kernel
And where did we say as much ?
elfin rock
tbh mine wasn't really comparable
honest kernel
You make it sound like it's still easy
quartz mantle
nyaanyaa gatekeeping what is hard in Hades: the video game
I think what we're trying to say is that Charged Shot shield gameplay is more difficult than shield gameplay without Charged Shot
honest kernel
That was the point that was made, yes
mossy zinc
I have no interest in these bad faith arguments anymore tbh.
honest kernel
I mean 50 Heat is hard. That doesn't mean Charged Shot is in any way in particul...
I'll just leave it at that something can be hard while still being easier then others
And comparing it to literally the hardest things in the game, which are full on melee weapons at high heat, doesn't say much
Because the top high heat weapons are those that have simple gameplans and don't want to interact with enemies
Which is basically not spear, not sword, not fists
And hey, nobody runs those to push heat
gaunt fiber
nyaanyaa gatekeeping what is hard in Hades: the video game
👀
flat flicker
I think what we're trying to say is that Charged Shot shield gameplay is more di...
maybe im crazy, but i like beowulf way more with charged shot
quartz mantle
That's fair, it's a subjective thing to like something so everyone's perspective is different
I know I had trouble when I first picked up charged shot, but doing more beowulf speedruns made me more open to using charged shot more often
But charged shot in general is less safe than typical beo gameplay where you're just dashing and bull rushing around with iframes
jaunty falcon
I prefer charged shot for speedruns, but non-charged shot for high heat
I also think I'm better at playing non-charged shot
solemn pulsar
charged shot on beowulf is a different aspect entirely
than charged shot on the other ones
since it goes from a pseudo-rama shot to a long range nuke
bronze viper
It's amazing until you get to EM4, then you're like, "f, I actually have to be good at this game now?" and you die.
solemn pulsar
It's amazing until you get to EM4, then you're like, "f, I actually have to be g...
which is why i did the DD thing for it LOL
mega safety
ashen garnet
Just had my most blursed Ely skipn't : Shop30, Pat31, Than32, Fountain33 and 34 armored archers full house in Ely's smallest room with almost no cover
next acorn
Just because you have block doesn't mean bullrush isn't still good
just because you have one dash doesn't mean the second one isn't still good
mossy zinc
I didn't see a single person say Bull Rush or a second Dash wasn't amazing.
next acorn
that was in response to saying you still get block
I'm just saying bull rush gives safety on top of the block safety
mossy zinc
Literally nobody said it didn't.
next acorn
You still get to block, though.
I was responding to this
mossy zinc
Y'all just reading what you want to read today.
next acorn
ok
elfin rock
people are quite combative today ur right
shy plinth
More like hades builds and verbal combat am I right
shy plinth
Life affirmation not close I think
autumn ginkgo
Alright. Thats what I was thinking but wasn't sure
Haven't played in a few weeks so i'm very rusty
flat flicker
Yeah affirmation
autumn ginkgo
Damn. I forgot how much of a pain elysium can be.
glacial gorge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/883128366826397746/unk...
Wow i just realized you're actually looking over the blood fountain when purging loll
eternal hare
definitely don't sell the attack
there is a bug that will make your passion flare small and sad
if you're really keen on keeping the dash then just roll
left prism
there is a bug that will make your passion flare small and sad
wait what 
eternal hare
hmm yeah there was a possibility that could happen
looks like it's going to need to be hyper sprint unless you're willing to try playing styx and dad with a small passion flare
rustic crow
Probably gonna have to get rid of Hermes
autumn ginkgo
I have rush delivery tho
So idk
does rush delivery work on casts?
It does right?
eternal hare
yeah
you're either looking at a damage hit or an aoe hit
rush delivery with no hyper sprint is still usable though if you find ichors from wells
autumn ginkgo
does the bug happen 100% of time?
eternal hare
yes, if you sell your attack you are absolutely going to notice your passion flare being small and sad
autumn ginkgo
Can you send a video of it so i can see how bad it is?
eternal hare
https://youtu.be/jWJLdkUg6Sk this is one that unovarydrake got from a while back
it basically reverts back to base zag cast size
it's not the end of the world either way but it's definitely a bit annoying
autumn ginkgo
Probably just going to sell hyper sprint and try and get it back or something
or at elast get extra dashs
eternal hare
not guaranteed to see a 3rd hermes so just keep that in mind
autumn ginkgo
dang
that was intense
died halfway through phase 3
timer ran out and i panicked
next acorn
That’s close though!
gaunt fiber
people are quite combative today ur right
People not agreeing is not a combat
cursive ridge
im going to do a practice run of em3 fo2 and td3 should i add LC4 so that i can get used to that too? im currently using hestia aspect
gaunt fiber
I thing yes
If you grind heat you'll probably do LC4 before FO2
So try to get used to the SD playstyle yeah
cursive ridge
okay thanks
gaunt fiber
Are you used to FO2 yet?
cursive ridge
nope im just gonna jump into it and just get used to it as i go
gaunt fiber
This Artemis bond icon is so cute though
Ok so
It will be extremely hard
Don't take HL too high along with FO2
cursive ridge
yeah i know LMASDLKMAS but i just wanna do my first run on it see what happens then learn along the way
gaunt fiber
It's another game
Yeah, just warning you so you don't feel discouraged if you don't succeed
GY FO2 locked me down in Tartarus for a whole week
cursive ridge
i think im just gonna do the core of high heat runs for now
so LC4 FO2 EM3 and TD2 for now and go to TD3 when i get used to it
gaunt fiber
Yeah that will be really good practice
cursive ridge
with LC4 i would almost never take chaos right
gaunt fiber
Oh no you should take it
It's a time save, you don't really care about the boon, it can be really good still. Just be careful about the curse
LC4 means you should not be too worried about dying in every room basically
If you die only once obviously 
cursive ridge
really? huh
gaunt fiber
LC4 means you should not be too worried about dying in every room basically
To be more precise it's not about LC4 it's about stubborn defiance
You're running SD right?
cursive ridge
yeah yeah
gaunt fiber
good good
Don't suicide though. SD allows you to take risks to save time
But in Tartarus not dying is good, solely to have more than 30% HP against the furies
cursive ridge
how much health does SD restore tho
gaunt fiber
30%
cursive ridge
is it better to take meg companion or something like dusa companion for higher heats
gaunt fiber
Meg and Antos are the most common picks. Mort is also an option but requires some practice
jaunty falcon
Meg is better in like 99% of scenarios
cursive ridge
if i encounter a shop i almost always take it right even if i cant afford anything?
jaunty falcon
Pretty much yeah, especially if you're running TD3 with other pacts that make stuff slower
cursive ridge
fo2 minotaur not fun :<
shy gulch
so true
gaunt fiber
fo2 minotaur not fun :<
It's indeed really tough and deserves some practice as any other boss
autumn ginkgo
fo2 minotaur not fun :<
yes
autumn ginkgo
if i encounter a shop i almost always take it right even if i cant afford anythi...
If the other option is something that’s extremely important to your build, you can take it unless your really running low on time
gaunt fiber
Good advice, giver of bad advice
devout quiver
fo2 Asterius and fo2 Chariots are crazy fast
flamewheels too
fo2 Speedster great shields 
quartz mantle
I’ll sometimes skip midshop for a trial in asphodel or tart if my timer is alright but I’ll never really skip midshop in Elysium
gaunt fiber
I don't skip midshop. Midshop skips me
red basalt
fo2 Asterius and fo2 Chariots are crazy fast
I don’t do super high heat yet (the highest I’ve done is 21) but I do run Fo2. So here’s a suggestion: Dash through the chariots w/o dash-striking. Your iframes will save you.
next acorn
Thing I hate most about chariots the most is that they don't proc jolted
solemn pulsar
They don’t? I swear I’ve seen them do it
It’s just weird as to when
The big ones at least
undone tartan
Ok I just made an insanely long text wall (literally it’s so long that it requires me to send it in 4 segments due to the Discord character limit) about different pacts, how hard they are, and what heats I suggest using them at. I’m seeing a lot of new players with really painful pacts (stuff like EM4, JS3, CP2 for 15 heat), and I want to help people pick much easier pacts. Does a wall of this type already exist? If not, should I send it here? I’m realizing now that it might literally just be too long, and sending it might be borderline spam. However, if you guys think I should send it, I’m very open to criticism, so I’d love for some advice on what I’m wrong about.
shy plinth
How does it compare to the the pins
solemn pulsar
Also there's really nothing wrong with that sort of pact at 15 heat
you can really mix and match anything that low
except stacking RI
it's when you get to like 25+ and pacts start to have bad interactions with each other that stuff like JS CP and EM4 become really painful
main quarry
@elfin rock "with fists dc1/2 isn't as bad"
What you mean with that?
This sounds like if Fists is be totally bad in dc1/2
undone tartan
Also there's really nothing wrong with that sort of pact at 15 heat
I guess, but it definitely is gonna be much much harder than most 15 heat pacts, especially for a newer player who may not realize that they’re making their own run much harder
elfin rock
the fists attack so fast that it strips away the added armour from dc1/2 very quickly
dc1/2 isn't that good with say
arthur or rama
as they're pretty slow
solemn pulsar
I guess, but it definitely is gonna be much much harder than most 15 heat pacts,...
yeah but it's fine for them to explore
elfin rock
nah actually
solemn pulsar
if they're like "omg i cant beat it help" that's one thing
elfin rock
dc2 is fine with rama if u use the special first
undone tartan
if they're like "omg i cant beat it help" that's one thing
Fair point
solemn pulsar
but there's no reason to offer unsolicited advice if they're doing ok
nobody wants to be told how to play, yknow? even if it's coming from a good place
undone tartan
Yeah I get that
main quarry
the fists attack so fast that it strips away the added armour from dc1/2 very qu...
Actually, this is also one of the reasons why I played with fists because I found them the easiest to play with and I knew I could do 16 heat
But also i try with DC1/2
elfin rock
the fists are really nice
a fun run that i had was with zagreus fists and the lambent plume
main quarry
But fighting the Furies hurts a bit.
undone tartan
I just wish someone had told me that CP and JS were really hard back when I was first starting out getting my extra bounties. It looked like they wouldn’t really do a lot but those pacts are the reason I was having a much harder time
But I get that other people may want to figure that stuff out for themself
elfin rock
ironically i used cp and js to get my lower heat bounties lo
undone tartan
It’s a new-player trap
flat flicker
It’s fine at like 8 heat. Once you crank it up it becomes suboptimal. But I think your comments on victory screen telling people their heat loadout is incorrect aren’t having the intended effect. Set em straight if they ask, but let them enjoy their wins fam
I don’t care how meta it is, beating js3 em4 32 was fun and I’m super proud of it
main quarry
@undone tartan I have to ask. Why ruthless reflex?
Bcs i like dodge chance and extra dmg
undone tartan
Sure, I guess. I mean like go for it
main quarry
In the begined i using Greater Reflex.
undone tartan
But you didn’t get Greater Reflex
main quarry
I meant in when i started playing Hades xd
undone tartan
Oh got it. I thought you meant the boon Greatest Reflex lol
undone tartan
Ok I have to do 32 heat with the following aspects, and I don’t know what build to go for since I never use these aspects:
- Zag Spear
- Zag Shield
- Zag Fists
- Zag Sword
- Talos Fists
- Gilgamesh Fists
- Hades Spear
- Poseidon Sword
I know of some possible builds for some of these, but none that I’m confident will be good enough for 32 heat. At least not at my skill level. Any advice?
undone tartan
Really? Actually yeah that makes sense
mossy zinc
Yeah.
undone tartan
But what do I do for damage before I get Smoldering Air?
quartz mantle
Zeus attack on most of the fists, gilga likes splash dash
Zag Spear you can roll with flurry jab or exploding launcher
either way you want zeus attack aphro special imo and just build smoldering
The best way to play an aspect you don't know is to not play it
and build smoldering zeus call
fair briar
I know it’s not the highest heat but what’s the best way to like have the easiest pact of punishment for 32 heat cause the super fast enemies make me cry but give so much heat to the meter
quartz mantle
There is a pinned message talking all about optimizing a 32 heat pact
wintry berry
Have you checked the pinned messages ?
fair briar
oh thank
quartz mantle
It's a bit outdated in certain regards like I personally would always recommend BP2 over CF2
and would typically rather put heat into HS than JS or CP
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike or Passion Dash are enough for DPS. Lightning Strike, too.
wintry berry
I don't recommend putting HS at 32 heat
A missplay with green pots and you're back to home
mossy zinc
It's not like you're doing some pact with high JS CP or whatever at 32.
But even then, going for Smoldering Air shouldn't be too much of an issue.
mossy zinc
I know it’s not the highest heat but what’s the best way to like have the easies...
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
flat flicker
If you aren’t comfortable with TD3 yet, would be worth running a few with FO2 TD3 just to get a feel for it @fair briar
fair briar
wha
flat flicker
cursive ridge
for the higher heat runs what are usually the best aspects to use?
ive been having a lot of fun with hestia
next acorn
Hestia is good
flat flicker
for the higher heat runs what are usually the best aspects to use?
if you're just starting out in high heat, definitely your favorites. you can get better on a weapon or on heat - doing both simultaneously will lead to frustration. i'd say start with your main and once you get a few runs in, then worry about the meta
for me it's eris rail and rama bow
eris yeah its OP
rama is a hot take tho
undone tartan
Yeah Rama and Beowulf are probably the two most played high heat aspects in the entire game
They are also the only two weapons that I have ever beat 40 heat with
undone tartan
I feel like Eris just isn’t as safe as those two (or Zeus, which is probably the strongest high heat aspect, or at least the most pact-resistant which makes a great pick for 60+ heat)
undone tartan
It has the heat world record for a reason
shy plinth
Because Baj is OP
undone tartan
It was actually ykc
shy plinth
Oh right
undone tartan
It looks like Baj’s heat PB is 57