Another thing is you can Dash-Attack through an enemy and then immediately Dash-Upper from behind for backstab damage.
#h1-high-heat-strategies
mossy zinc
In one dash.
A normal Uppercut is almost unusable at high heats. It's just way too slow in most scenarios, so there's no reason to compare the damage from an Uppercut to a Dash-Upper. They're very different tools.
And then...
thats just a more technical thing thats harder to execute
It can take a little bit of practice at first, but it's hardly a difficult input. You press two buttons, and then you press one button. The timing is pretty lenient, too. And you have a lot of opportunity to practice it in your runs or on Skelly.
Unrelated to Demeter Aspect: when they made that combo possible on Gilgamesh, it was a huge buff for the aspect because it's so much safer for applying Maim.
rotund sparrow
does anyone know a good way to beat EM3-4 Asterius + Forced Overtime 2 with the melee weapons? Let's say you have low health and stuff and you wanna avoid getting hit, but you also wanna beat him asap
Looking at Asterius EM3 a lot of his movesets feel undodgeable
when i watch other yt videos (not too many) i always see people getting hit a lot
mossy zinc
Take a look at some melee runs on the high heat leaderboard.
shy plinth
Dash without attacking
Empty dashes are clutch on FO2
You can double dash through a lot of his attacks but if you are used to dash attacking you will get hit
You learn his patterns pretty quickly but you have to have disciplined responses to them
The bull rush is tough, but dashing through pillars still works, as does fighting him near walls
flat flicker
I'm stuck in this limbo of being pretty consistent at mid-20s heat, but totally hit a wall after that. any heat loadout suggestions - i find myself constantly overthinking underworld customs, have not figured out how to Lasting Consequences/Stubborn Defiance yet, and i have one 32 heat clear when i used em4 but people told me im crazy and upon further attempts that was a fluke. any suggestions would be appreciated!
jovial swallow
Is EM4 ever really recommended for High Heat runs or is it usually just considered too difficult?
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
Honestly, you can do whatever you like at 32, though. The most important things are practice and planning ahead for the pacts you're facing.
gaunt fiber
EM4 is really hard
jovial swallow
Specifically the 3rd Hades phase
gaunt fiber
The first is the worst
mossy zinc
EM4 with no FO isn't too bad.
gaunt fiber
Maybe tied with 3rd though
mossy zinc
But you could be doing EM3 FO2 instead for more Heat.
gaunt fiber
The thing about EM4 is that it gets super hard with maxed HL, FO, TD3
jaunty falcon
You'd only consider taking EM4 at 50+ heat, and even then you don't take it all the time
gaunt fiber
With CP and DC it's even more difficult
jovial swallow
What's CP again?
jaunty falcon
Calesthenics program
jovial swallow
Oh that one
jaunty falcon
+15% HP to enemies per rank
jaunty falcon
It's awful, makes bosses and rooms more difficult
gaunt fiber
So the fight is hard because you're on stubborn defiance, you have little time, he hits hard and fast
Also Cerberus and urns are bs
jovial swallow
Absolute pain though is having HL and CP on when using Guan Yu
gaunt fiber
Yeah it requires a lot of practice
Charged skewer deals with CP pretty well though
But don't take CP if you're not in the 50 heat range
narrow carbon
does anyone know a good way to beat EM3-4 Asterius + Forced Overtime 2 with the ...
This is a good guide: https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1002250348
flat flicker
**Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide**
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Ete...
im too afraid of customs and lasting consequences 😦 is it worth swapping over to the more frequent boons rather than higher rarity from the mirror
i used a lot of load up on cash, which def doesnt work as well with CF... charon hourglass was a workhorse
mossy zinc
LC4 with SD is better than putting the 4 Heat into something else.
Same with the 2 Heat from Underworld Customs.
jaunty falcon
LC4/SD is waaaaaaay easier then EM4 imo
flat flicker
any guide recommendations for that?
jaunty falcon
And it's good for practice
flat flicker
how to lasting consequences
mossy zinc
Just suicide with traps or in the last enemy wave if you're below 30% HP, look for DDs from Lady Athena, look for Touches of Styx.
Acorn in Elysium and for Hades.
mossy zinc
DD.
You need to lose your SD before picking up her DD boons to get the DD.
But then you'll have the DD from her and get SD back when you enter the next chamber.
flat flicker
ah, gotcha
mossy zinc
And her boon will also buff your SD.
flat flicker
so basically if i dont blow it with theseus
which def has happened
should be ok
re customs: is it better to use the better boon rarity or better room rewards from mirror
flat flicker
had one where its like, dump zeus attack on eris, jolted, or divine dash
shy plinth
You have to get used to UC
flat flicker
yeah
shy plinth
Save a roll for each biome and be keenly aware of what you are going to sell in tart
flat flicker
gotcha
shy plinth
It is very common to take a mediocre core boon in tart and dump it
And then dump a hermes boon in Asphodel
If you haven't been using Dark Foresight that would explain some of the difficulty too
It's super duper powerful
flat flicker
yeah, i havent
flat flicker
yeah that'll cover customs lol
shy plinth
And also get you more poms and more hearts
shy plinth
You usually want the centerpieces of your build to have a couple
flat flicker
i know highly on cast builds
shy plinth
Like there's no clear answer there, it depends on what you have going and what you're choosing against
But pomming your core damage source usually makes things way easier to a point
flat flicker
ive had some great success once with a level 8 glacial glare and stygian soul lol
shy plinth
That sounds fortunate but atypical
flat flicker
yeah, so say eris rail zeus
shy plinth
It varies
shy plinth
But I don't think you need to go out of your way to dump poms
flat flicker
gotcha
shy plinth
Either way I recommend learning new things in chunks
flat flicker
so fire up lc4
shy plinth
My pact at 32 is slightly different from Nyaanyaa's though that is partially because she is way better than me
flat flicker
whats yours
shy plinth
I use FO2 and HL1 instead of CF0 instead of HL5 CF2
flat flicker
think i wanna give it a go with excalibur
shy plinth
Jumping straight to 32 can be discouraging
shy plinth
The best first thing to do is watch runs of people who are successful at higher heats and figure out what they do that you don't
mossy zinc
I mean.
shy plinth
Watch their movement, watch their inputs, watch their choices
From there I strongly recommend learning in chunks, pick up LC4 and then once you've mastered it you can progress
gaunt fiber
Mr Hat if you're using FO2, that's the hard part
shy plinth
I did LC4 then FO1 then FO2
I found HL5 to be way more punishing
And also CF0 is a drug
flat flicker
i did 32 once w eris rail, smoldering air, poseidon call and zeus legendary
shy plinth
Ah smoldering poseidon
shy plinth
Nah that's smoldering poseidon lol
flat flicker
i had em4 on
shy plinth
Oh goodness
flat flicker
literally beat an erebus asphodel zeus in the first room for the legendary
and from there it was cookies
mossy zinc
I use HL5 FO2 etc. The guide is just what I recommend for new players just based on experience walking players through their first 32s, but it's just a starting point. Don't feel bound to it.
flat flicker
rip current ❤️
shy plinth
There is no better way to learn than watching runs of better players
I got so much better by doing that
Especially Tailesque Rama runs
Those taught me how to empty dash
mossy zinc
Practice is the #1 way to get better.
flat flicker
I def want to get Rama to 32
shy plinth
Also yes practice
mossy zinc
Practice, practice, practice.
gaunt fiber
What made me progress the most was watching my runs
flat flicker
265 hours in
So it’s not like I’m bad, I just need to figure out lc4
Then I should be good to hit 32
shy plinth
It's not about hour count, it's about intentional learning
Good amount of experience there but you wanna make sure the hours are progressing you towards something
gaunt fiber
Practice is necessary but when you hit a wall, you have to think about why you're stuck
mossy zinc
I def want to get Rama to 32
How much bow experience do you have?
flat flicker
How much bow experience do you have?
Rama and Chiron at 26 heat, haven’t done much w zag or hers
gaunt fiber
However until a certain point you can smash your head against that wall
gaunt fiber
And then you have 25 hp
mossy zinc
DC2 is gonna be some very easy 2 Heat on Rama.
flat flicker
Woo
mossy zinc
Start Heartbreak Strike and just pick up whichever you see first out of Doom, Hangover, and Lightning on Special. Doesn't really matter.
flat flicker
copy that
Maybe go for smoldering Poseidon again
Worked once
ok gonna do a few 20ish with LC4
and that’ll get me to 32
Not using jury summons was the revelation of this week and got me into the mid 20s
mossy zinc
Don't "go" for it. That's three specific gods. If it works out, that's fine.
Smoldering Air is top tier with any Call.
flat flicker
Athena, hades with Mario kart stars
mossy zinc
And Poseidon's Aid is amazing whether you get Smoldering Air or not.
mossy zinc
Maybe not artemis
Free i-frames every few seconds is still top tier.
shy plinth
Sure
gaunt fiber
Smoldy Arty call best call
elfin rock
I prefer poseidon smoldering air call
I had smoldering air with hermes call thing once
Very powerful
devout quiver
Dio Call is probably my favorite call for Smoldering.
Zeus call scales better sure, but idk.
Funny poison call 
waxen relic
Dio Calls Pom Scaling is absurdly good. Zeus' is good. Zeus just has the advantage of being Prereq as well as Boon Scaling.
amber jetty
I'd say Zeus/Dio/Athena/Poseidon are best with smoldering, you don't lose too much unlike arty where you lose the massive burst
devout quiver
Firing off minor Dios is actually better than saving up for a Greater, cause of the stack limit on hangover
maybe having LT shifts the math though 🤷♂️
mossy zinc
Artemis' Aid burst damage is poor anyway without poms.
mossy zinc
It's better than no Call. Pom Scaling is actually pretty good, too.
honest kernel
well yeah
solemn pulsar
It's better than no Call. Pom Scaling is actually pretty good, too.
when you have no call, Shattered Shackle gives +100% call damage 
mossy zinc
devout quiver
pog
pseudo kernel
solemn pulsar
also dash
wanton plover
solar maple
just having any call at all for invincibility I find extremely useful at high heat
flat flicker
so if i wanted to do a 32 heat sword run, where would be a good place to start build wise? i have done a lot of excalibur and fall short at dad around 28ish heat, wondering if time to try a different approach/looking to spark some creativity here
shy plinth
Arthur should work just fine, can also do Poseidon sword and go for Lightning Phalanx or Nemesis and go for Deadly Reversal and/or Heart Rend
bronze rapids
if you search "Arthur 32" we had some convos a while back over here
flat flicker
ive never done lightning phalax
shoud try that
stygian or infernal soul better?
also switching from gods pride to foresight has been awesome
whomever suggested that, thank you
flat flicker
Also, I just did my first ever TD3 32 heat, and I just finished Tartarus with over a minute left, it wasn’t so scary!
ripe ermine
For Arthur you want Heartbreak Strike. Go for Zeus call and Smoldering Air, or Unhealthy Fixation is also a run-winner. I also like Divine Strike for the massive deflection bat and going for Deadly Reversal.
flat flicker
I’m going for deadly reversal now
flat flicker
Had to pick between deadly reversal and defiance, took defiance. Got it done wooo 32 heat Excalibur complete
ripe ermine
Noice
shy plinth
Well done
flat flicker
alrighty, now for spear fists and shield.
big takeaway; convenience fee and hard labor are less scary than jury summons
didn’t use it in either of the 32s today, also 5 min td is ironically not as bad because of fo2
shy plinth
Jury summons just takes so much time
Though if you can figure out a CF0 pact you can buy so much stuff
But yeah JS is a big pain
flat flicker
I got through so many runs getting an early chaos boon for money and hourglassing and rerolling elysium wells
quartz mantle
CF gross
flat flicker
Yeah I did so many on 7 and had like 9 to 11 min left in most Styx so figured ok let’s do td3
quartz mantle
Imagine paying 270 for a boon
flat flicker
But I didn’t start using CF until this week I was so dependent on cheesing elysium
With money
shy plinth
What's your pact at right now
quartz mantle
My mindset is I can handle extra JS if I get enough boons
CF0 helps with getting those boons
shy plinth
At 32 you don't need either though
quartz mantle
Oh 32
yea you can do whatever then
I think the core of LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3 is like 30 heat or something
narrow carbon
It’s 31, plus HS can make 32
shy plinth
I used HL1
quartz mantle
or just HL1
yea
HL1 is better than HS
What's the thing that lets you make pact setups online?
shy plinth
narrow carbon
Sure, but HL5 is better than EM3 and MM for speed 
shy plinth
MM is fine, just don't get barged EZ
flat flicker
my pact (for Excalibur) was: HL3 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3
i am still scared of LC4
shy plinth
You're using DDs??
flat flicker
yes
next acorn
LC4 isn't as bad as it sounds
narrow carbon
MM makes two mini-bosses per mini-boss tunnel in Styx - it’s always slower
next acorn
SD cozy
shy plinth
Yeah I actually feel like SD is easier now unless I unga bunga bosses
And play super sloppy
You just get to go ham in rooms
flat flicker
yeah, im not used to that yet
shy plinth
I mean if you're clearing at 32 then keep at it
flat flicker
i overthink it
shy plinth
But the LC4 jump is not so bad
flat flicker
should prob do some lc4 24 heat runs
just to get the hang of it
but first i wanna get the spear
and i can put damage control back on
oh also shield
flat flicker
yeah, for zeus fists i can use it tho no problem
flat flicker
what would u suggest as a solid starting point for a spear run
like, this god, this aspect, go nuts
shy plinth
Achilles with artemis start lets you hit either clarity or blades pretty easily
shy plinth
Artemis attack, take either demeter or ares for cast, go duo, blow things up
flat flicker
then whichever i get, im doing rifts or lasers
yeah i always did those with ares or demeter to start
you just opened my mind
next acorn
the casts don't do much without the duo
flat flicker
ok so like, get a cast
but dont use it that much until its duo
i take it use 3 bloodstones?
shy plinth
Ye
flat flicker
i got spoiled that one time i had four with stygian soul and glacial glare i pommed to level 8 with winter blast
shy plinth
That sounds very enjoyable and hard to replicate
shy plinth
I believe in your ability to clear without a deflect dash
flat flicker
cheers. the sword one was my first without smoldering air cheese
the rama one was smoldering/level 4 athena's aid
shy plinth
Only way to expand your comfort zone is to practice outside of it
flat flicker
true
and what about the zeus shield
what can i do with it that's fun but isn't zeus special based
next acorn
ME
flat flicker
wait what if i do smoldering athena with lc4
then itll be like i have my security mario kart star while doing the scary one
shy plinth
Lc4 isn't something that needs a specific build
You just need to actually play the boss fights instead of face tanking
flat flicker
feels like it will rely on the athena for me for a while then
shy plinth
Either way if you wanna not get hit smoldering poseidon is much better
flat flicker
thats how i beat 32 the first time
shy plinth
You get out of the way and hit for a billion
flat flicker
got an eris rail that led to zeus legendary in asphodel first room, epic poseidon aid, pommed it, with cluster rockets and a level 4 rip current
that was actually enough to beat em4
shy plinth
Ez
flat flicker
and its nice having athena around
like
defiances
im not using nearly as many rolls as expected on customs
and dark foresight is amazing
thanks for letting me think out loud
flat flicker
this is making me better at hades
shy plinth
Hell yeah
flat flicker
yesterday i had eris 32 where i couldnt have asked for better stuff
today got arthur and rama
shy plinth
Nice
flat flicker
next up, artemis cast spear
uneven ridge
Hi, is this the proper channel to ask a question about progress. I'm kinda "stuck' on a certain point. Not hard stuck, I've gotten through it 3 times now. But only with like less than 10 health remaining. While coming in with full health(100/125+) with 3 cheat deaths.
static plover
depending on what it is #h1-discussion or #h1-for-new-players might be more appropriate @uneven ridge
uneven ridge
Allright thank you 😄
dire steppe
smoldering sigil is still useless after they changed it to 50% right?
mossy zinc
Right.
flat flicker
I feel like I’m missing something, is the sigil useful
solemn pulsar
its best utility is cuasing enemies to repeat patterns
so you can control Hades' disappearing act
to an extent
flat flicker
wait wut it does 100 p global damage
thought it was just defensive
hello there game changer
jaunty falcon
Drunken strike 👀
devout quiver
narrow carbon
The Sigil’s in-game help text doesn’t mention damage, but you can read what it does on the Hades wiki
devout quiver
it was recently added to another server I'm on and i love it dearly
gaunt fiber
shy plinth
mossy zinc
The Sigil’s in-game help text doesn’t mention damage, but you can read what it d...
The tooltip does.
Not that people read tooltips.
If they did, there would be way fewer questions in the server.
shy plinth
Still better than parting shot
solemn pulsar
😦 just gimme 35% global backstab too
worthy cipher
I Finally got a Merciful End with a well supported Curse of Pain!
mossy zinc
That's what I thought, but @true fable said he tested Parting Shot extensively, and the bonus backstab damage only applies to CAst.
mossy zinc
I Finally got a Merciful End with a well supported Curse of Pain!
https://www.y...
Now do it again on 32 and record your run for the high heat leaderboard. 
worthy cipher
Now do it again on 32 and record your run for the high heat leaderboard. <:court...
... where is that?
mossy zinc
Check the pins.
If you record your run, you'll need to show your previous death in the video to be eligible for the unseeded leaderboard.
Which is basically the main category.
The previous death is just to prove that the run wasn't seeded.
woeful hawk
NYAANYAA, whats your yt again
jaunty falcon
Funnily enough, if you search "nyaanyaa" on YouTube, it's the first option
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa Mewmew
mossy zinc
Funnily enough, if you search "nyaanyaa" on YouTube, it's the first option
Second option for me, and it's my own channel.
narrow carbon
Sigil keepsake description is incomplete https://i.imgur.com/oXFqyuE.jpg
Tooltip mentions damage but not how much https://i.imgur.com/aRA5UcO.jpg
mossy zinc
It makes you Invisible. And Invisible entails vanishing, moving faster, and dealing bonus damage.
narrow carbon
And that is documented…. nowhere
mossy zinc
It's right there.
narrow carbon
After you equip it only
mossy zinc
The tooltip for Invisible lists vanishing, moving faster, and dealing bonus damage.
Well, there's limited character space for the description.
narrow carbon
I’m just saying the description could have been clearer by not introducing a one-use keyword that can only be understood by equipping the keepsake and reading the tooltip 
mossy zinc
Well, write a better one that communicates everything you want but stays within whatever character limit they have for keepsake descriptions.
amber jetty
Briefly makes you invisible and increases your damage by 100%
quartz mantle
Yea just give us a number
narrow carbon
The Hades’ Aid tooltip is the most useful, since it gives damage bonus % and also describes Unseen as the Greater Call, which isn’t mentioned elsewhere. I’d just cut “which briefly makes you Invisible” (which sounds like it’s not doing much - invisible people don’t typically move faster or hit harder). By omitting it, you realize you need to read the Hades’ Aid tooltip to get the details
mossy zinc
Just to be clear here... You disappear and move faster while invisible for 2 seconds or until you do an attack. After you reappear, you get bonus damage for 1.5 seconds.
narrow carbon
mossy zinc
Stealth Damage Bonus: +100%
You get the bonus damage after you reappear, though.
amber jetty
It doesn't need to convey all the info, but it doesn't tell you about the bonus damage at all in the case
amber jetty
> Stealth Damage Bonus: +100%
You get the bonus damage after you *reappear*, tho...
True, but you can't attack while invis so it's effectively the same
mossy zinc
Not at all.
amber jetty
Invis, not unseen
mossy zinc
Your DOT etc. would all get bonus damage while you're invisible. But that's not what happens.
gaunt fiber
oh, that tool tip again 
amber jetty
Ah ye forgot about dot
narrow carbon
This just started with a comment that it’s hard to discover what the Sigil does compared to other keepsakes (I’ve never read the other keepsakes’ tooltips - you know what they do when on their keepsake selection screen). A keepsake adding a Call is a complex mechanic, so I understand the difficulty in making it a two-line description - this doesn’t take away from the original comment 
true fable
i tested parting shot a good amount yeah
the 35% shouldnt apply to noncasts
dont see why any recent patches wouldve changed that
flat flicker
Thanks for clarifying. Does it also remove the pots on the hades fight I vaguely remember that but can’t find it
amber jetty
It removes the poison effect in styx
mossy zinc
It's not really a keepsake for high heat unless you're speedrunning high heat, anyway.
elfin rock
what hamemrs are hte best for the rail
honest kernel
triple bomb
mossy zinc
What rail?
mossy zinc
elfin rock
i know
mossy zinc
Cluster Rockets is generally the ideal combo.
Ricochet + Hazard is amazing on Hestia.
Piercing is also good on Hestia.
elfin rock
is triple bomb compatible with cluster rockets
mossy zinc
No.
mossy zinc
And Triple Rockets are not that great.
elfin rock
really?
mossy zinc
It's 5x base damage.
mossy zinc
And a huge AOE.
elfin rock
wasn't it 300% tho
mossy zinc
Not like anything would survive that one way or another.
elfin rock
true true
mossy zinc
No, because Hazard Bomb is base damage. It's not additive with your Special boon.
mossy zinc
Take care!
gaunt fiber
o/
unique zephyr
Just to be clear here... You disappear and move faster while invisible for 2 sec...
I never actually knew for sure what Sigil of the Dad did until just now, thank you
narrow carbon
The wiki also says this. Does it really do this? “Activating the Call while under the effects of Styx Poison removes the effect. It also removes Hades' Skull Casts from the ground, but not the Boiling Blood debuff when hit.”
amber jetty
Activating the Call while under the effects of Styx Poison removes the effect
I know it does this, havent paid attention to the other part
worthy cipher
Lol so I have all my arms cleared at in th 16-20 heat range, felt pretty good about myself., thought I'd try this ruleset out ... .... just beat H32 Lerrnie after like 10 attempts. I've got a ways to go.
ripe ermine
Keep at it! 32 Heat Lernie was a MASSIVE roadblock for me too
Dang ground pounds just had my number
mossy zinc
Lol so I have all my arms cleared at in th 16-20 heat range, felt pretty good ab...
Good job beating Lernie. If you want any help with pacts or builds or anything, don't hesitate to ask.
cinder cave
I never actually knew for sure what Sigil of the Dad did until just now, thank y...
omg sigil of the dad
xd
flat flicker
Keep at it! 32 Heat Lernie was a MASSIVE roadblock for me too
I just had a two win 32 heat streak so figured ok third time in a row - dying to lernard feels bad man
Damn spear being kinda bad compared to Eris and Rama lol
flat flicker
Feels like if I don’t get a cast up and running by Tartarus I’m screwed
I started Artemis attack figuring I’d take blade rifts or meme beams based on who shows up
mossy zinc
Yeah, start with Cast or Dash.
flat flicker
Got both over two runs but the duos never came and lernie beat me 😦 second time restarted because lost two defiances to the furies
mossy zinc
You don't even know if you'll see Flurry Jab.
flat flicker
So start with meme beam and pray for Artemis?
mossy zinc
Cast is gonna be the most reliable start.
nocturne stag
I got flurry in Elysium and it actually made the run pleasant
mossy zinc
Doesn't have to be Crystal Beam, but that works.
nocturne stag
Athena cast
flat flicker
Glacial glare and arctic blast tho
nocturne stag
Use cold embrace, trust me
flat flicker
Is that the meme beams target you thing
nocturne stag
Yes
mossy zinc
Flood Shot kinda does need things. Pom scaling is kinda poor.
flat flicker
Rifts/beams need like, the Artemis duo, then glacial glare/arctic blast or vicious cycle
Not gonna show up every time 😦 ok will run it back trying for meme beams or athena casts idk
mossy zinc
All of the Casts need something, that's just how Cast builds work.
flat flicker
Reasonable
nocturne stag
Artemis cast good
mossy zinc
flat flicker
I’ve had a few good rifts and beam runs before but beyond that haven’t done much w cast lol
mossy zinc
My Cast Build Guide, if you need it.
flat flicker
Oh awesome thanks!
flat flicker
My Cast Build Guide, if you need it.
alrighty let’s go get Achilles 32
thanks again for all your help, you are awesome
mystic pivot
Hi, guys! I just want to ask about the details of auto defense that is disabled in hell mode because of personal liability. Just to know what I am missing, is there a threshold that will trigger it, and how long does it lasts? Thanks!
solar maple
I believe you need to take at least 25% of your max hp in a short period of time (also must be at least 10 damage)
looks like it lasts 1.3 seconds
mystic pivot
Thanks, @solar maple!
flat flicker
hitting a wall with Achilles spear at 32 - feels like without a cast duo by Tartarus the furies always take a defiance and by the time I’m up and running it’s too little too late and I blow it to em3. Any recommendations on how to shore that up, or would Poseidon cast instead be the move and just play it like a meh weapon and a very strong burst attack?
also, for eris rail - would you take cluster bomb or rocket bomb if you got those two on the first hammer
green fiber
also, for eris rail - would you take cluster bomb or rocket bomb if you got thos...
Cluster is best !
mossy zinc
If you're doing a Cast build on Achilles with a lodging Cast, you want Quick Reload for boss fights above anything else.
And poms on Cast, of course.
So, roll for Quick Reload when you see Lord Hermes before the Furies.
I'd probably take Rocket Bomb with JS0 and Cluster Bomb otherwise?
flat flicker
roger that!
i tried with Ares and Demeter cast but they were useless until i got duos 😦
honest kernel
out of the two ares cast is easier to use without duo I'd say
focus on pomming it early and also dont forget that you can use atk
gaunt fiber
That description 
honest kernel
I didnt get huntingblades until I forced artemis in that run
😌
but you can also just do artemis start and focus on atk through tart
flat flicker
yeah the game plan i had been using was take artemis then grab demeter or ares whoever shows up first
gaunt fiber
Joltedn't
pseudo kernel
ap1 said no
honest kernel
nice
flat flicker
Is jolted way better than say, double strike on a Zeus special build
I usually run family favorite so I don’t need to think about PS
jaunty falcon
Depends, they are both good boons but double strike opens up static discharge SPLITTING BOLT
gaunt fiber
Splitting bolt :D
jaunty falcon
Jolted on its own is really good though, especially at high rarity and level
quartz mantle
You’re more likely to see jolted cause status curses have half priority
So I’d personally take double strike over jolted if I saw them both unless the jolted was a better rarity
Rarity on jolted matters way more than rarity on double strike
flat flicker
Yeah, those 145 jolteds add up
eternal hare
big fan of jolted
flat flicker
And storm lightning and high voltage are both like, decent, but go straight in the purging pool once I get the legendary lol
eternal hare
when I was doing my own zeus 50 attempt I felt like my damage was bad or I was playing the aspect wrong but picking up jolted made it feel so much better
jaunty falcon
Enemies just... Tend to die quicker I guess
worthy cipher
I just ate it to dad! Time to start recording!
strange parrot
Whatup gamers
pseudo kernel
hello fellow gamer
strange parrot
Can anyone suggest good high heat builds for sword?
I'm thinking of trying arthur for the HP
jaunty falcon
What heat level are you aiming for?
strange parrot
I know good nemesis builds but I get hit way too much on nemesis
strange parrot
What heat level are you aiming for?
40
strange parrot
Poseidon has been working for me at lower heats, but been less effective with jury summons and the crystal heart one
I only have fists and sword left at 40 heat
for fists I'll probably just aim for a zeus run or ME
probably ME cuz it's an excuse to have divine dash
jaunty falcon
You can do sword ME as well
strange parrot
Oh yeah
jaunty falcon
Either nemesis or Poseidon
jaunty falcon
Yeah, it still works
strange parrot
Well what's the uh point
jaunty falcon
The WR for Poseidon ME is actually quicker than the neMEsis WR
waxen relic
The above is the point. It works.
strange parrot
But why?
jaunty falcon
Casts can one shot witches
waxen relic
But Phalanx Shot is cooler.
jaunty falcon
True
strange parrot
Oh phalanx
so doom attack still
and athena special
I'll give it a shot on nemesis 1st, i get hit a lot when I play sword
waxen relic
No Attack needed. Just LP and stuff. Mirage etc.
strange parrot
Probably my biggest downfall
strange parrot
No Attack needed. Just LP and stuff. Mirage etc.
Wait so how do I get ME?
waxen relic
That's not ME then.
jaunty falcon
You can do either LP or ME
strange parrot
That was my initial plan anyway
jaunty falcon
Or both lol
strange parrot
I usually go for LP, and parting shot if I get a natural aphro
Do heart rend builds work on fists?
Artemis attack, passion dash, and aphro special
pseudo kernel
artemis special with passion dash on dem fists is better
and yeah with zeus attack
jaunty falcon
If they were to work, they'd be best on Talos. But the build kinda sucks
strange parrot
aight ty
Never tried that one
been playing a lot of chiron recently
everything works on chiron
honest kernel
fist base atk dmg is poor so it doesnt go that well w crits
gaunt fiber
Atticor your new profile pic is fire
waxen relic
honest kernel
heartrend works better for fist special I think
when you start getting huge numbers for those crits
strange parrot
I see
gaunt fiber
Heart rend on Malphon? 👀
I'd see it on Talos with Heavy knuckle
Or Gilgamesh because the attack is strong
Otherwise, nope
strange parrot
aight, I thought it might work but never tried it
I love getting support fire on fists tho
That's always fun
I think it'll take me a while to get past 40 heat
what's a good 45 heat pact?
For eris
waxen relic
CF2 DC2 JS3 EM3 RI0 AP1 more or less i'd guess without looking at it
devout quiver
EM-fun
jaunty falcon
EM-dead
devout quiver
if you win every single run, the game gets boring quick
honest kernel
EM=f u n
flat flicker
okay I’m at hades door with about as good a meme beam loadout as I could have asked for, send good vibes for my fourth weapon at 32!
Achilles spear with braid glacial glare and arctic blast which I really hope I don’t regret taking over Demeter legendary
flat flicker
barely got it woooooo
flat flicker
I was so scared when I wasted Meg on his invincibility shell in the second phase
Was a next hit wins situation
Whew
Just shield and fists to go! Prob gonna ME for fists but open to suggestions to effective high heat shield builds/maybe it’s time to learn Beowulf already
bronze rapids
vanilla Zeus Zeus got me my 32 shield
flat flicker
Zeus aspect with Zeus special and then just don’t suck?
bronze rapids
yeah
bronze rapids
Zeus means you can DC2 and save some heat elsewhere
flat flicker
Yeah I just had dc2 on for the meme beam run and it was free heat
I just miss not having CF
i guess its like, get lots of good zeus you win and dont you lose?
hm maybe smoldering
bronze rapids
yeah Zeus special, Zeus Aid, smoldering Air, maybe divine dash for safety
shy plinth
Base zeus means smoldering is always an option and there are plenty of other ways to go
You shouldn't have to take CF on 32 tho
next acorn
CF0 cozy
shy plinth
It's like they're always having a boon sale
flat flicker
I’m too afraid of td3
shy plinth
Have your clear times been sub 20
flat flicker
on average like 22ish
next acorn
Are you running JS?
flat flicker
no
i will use it for fists
eh i guess with extra money i can hourglass cheese elysium and be fine
shy plinth
You've cleared a lot of 32s
I don't think you need to hourglass cheese
You can and I'm not sure what your mirror looks like but there are a lot of options to make up the heat
left prism
does lucky tooth gets affected by LC4?
quartz mantle
no
Same reason SD and DDs work with LC4
Imagine popping your skelly tooth and you just revive at 0 health
flat flicker
what about Guan Yu spins?
flat flicker
I don't think you need to hourglass cheese
❤️
its comfort food - hourglass cheesing and smoldering air lol
next acorn
Guan Yu, cursed slash, and draining cutter all work with LC4
flat flicker
Thanks!
strange parrot
Dude
I keep dying to the furies
That's the only boss that's killing me
not lernie, not theseus
died to them less than hades
tidal flame
Does Tidal Dash proc Seastorm?
flat flicker
Does Tidal Dash proc Seastorm?
indeed it does
i got the zeus special then he didnt show up again and i died to minotaur and theseus. oh well we'll get em tomorrow.
with the zeus shield
flat flicker
I keep dying to the furies
on 32 heat i lose a defiance to the furies over half the time and i hate it
strange parrot
I use stubborn defiance
flat flicker
thats my. next frontier after i get 32 with shield and fists
i def base race dad quite a lot these days and that wont work as well with SD, but thats because i need to be better at not getting hit. damn FO2 lol
honest kernel
do you struggle vs all furies or a specific one
strange parrot
do you struggle vs all furies or a specific one
All of em when I'm using melee weapons
nocturne stag
Use Gilgamesh. It won't help, but you'll look great dying
honest kernel
I guess the best thing to do then is to look at footage and practice
dashing behind them avoids a lot of attacks in my experience but it can be a bit hard in practice
I wouldnt take any chances vs megs floor pillars on fo2 and just focus on dodging
alectos floor pillars you can cheese by dash striking through her
try to remove spawned witches they ruin your day
mossy zinc
Prioritize HP, perhaps. Enter Erebus if there's a Centaur Heart for +50 max HP.
Antos can help finish them off.
Dusa can also help with damage and can take care of any adds in the fight.
And Dusa is amazing in Erebus.
Skelly is also great for both.
slim tangle
What's a good set of run debuffs/mirror talents for 32 heat Chiron? Been trying a couple different things but none of it has stuck so far
spice lava
Shadow presence, stubborn defiance, boiling or abyssal blood depends of your dps
Alterning atk and special makes Priviliged status a good amount of dps if you find 2 different effects boons on
strange parrot
Prioritize HP, perhaps. Enter Erebus if there's a Centaur Heart for +50 max HP.
Always do
slim tangle
Alterning atk and special makes Priviliged status a good amount of dps if you fi...
I usually start with artemis special but I can try
spice lava
Depending of your boons strategy, God's Pride if you look for duos
slim tangle
Smart
devout quiver
Aphro Attack is strong
Back it up w/ either Arte Special or Dio Special and shoot for the duo maybe
spice lava
Dio special + Privileged Status is usually my favorite start
spice lava
Even if you don't find duos, being able to apply PS is enough safe DPS to finish the run
slim tangle
👍
jaunty falcon
how good is arthur on 40 heat?
Not great, Arthur struggles past 40 because you can't take DC or FO2 without feeling like you can't hit anything
devout quiver
if you're not shooting for Duos, I'd probably go for Artemis or Aphro special
strange parrot
Not great, Arthur struggles past 40 because you can't take DC or FO2 without fee...
okay ty
devout quiver
and use Family Favorite
jaunty falcon
Your choice, but family favourites will always give you a decent damage buff, only 15% less than PS
spice lava
Good thing with dio is that it only needs lvl up + PS to carry the run
slim tangle
Pom power
spice lava
And you can hide while hangover keeps doing dmg if you need to run away
strange parrot
Honestly
I've been dying way too much
to fo3 witches
way too much
I think I need divine dash
honest kernel
it happens
strange parrot
I CANT DEAL WITH ALL THESE WITCH ROOMS
I HAD SUCH A GOOD TARTARUS START
TOOK A TRIAL OF THE GODS
AND GOT SCREWED BY JURRY SUMMONS AND WITCHES
strange parrot
smh...
slim tangle
Cloner witches 
jaunty falcon
Savior cloner witches on Hestia in chamber 2 
quartz mantle
Cloned speeder witches
flat flicker
laughs in divine dash
honest kernel
athena start is pretty ok I guess
flat flicker
yeah, sometimes when im feeling meh but still have the itch to play hades i start with athena dash and let the rest work itself out. often results in sweaty ass runs lol
flat flicker
sometimes I go coin purse and just yeet it with whatever gods I get
mossy zinc
Spiked Collar is better than Lucky Tooth with Touch of Styx Dark and at least one DD.
flat flicker
Better than acorn?
jaunty falcon
Not usually, no
mossy zinc
Depends on how much damage reduction you have and whether it's EM4.
quartz mantle
Take it
mossy zinc
DC2 sucks with Charged Shot.
flat flicker
oh facts
it either DC2 and HL4 or HL3 and TD3
but i dont trust myself to do a shield run in sub-5
quartz mantle
Just do dc2 your special can clear dc hearts easy even with charged shot
flat flicker
ok i died on time to elysium boss but it was winnable. need to just get moar zeus
mossy zinc
Elysium rooms can also just be bad sometimes.
There's a little bit more RNG when you're not that practiced at going fast yet, but when it's going right, which it does more often than not, it's a lot easier than putting those 3 Heat elsewhere.
flat flicker
Maybe turn off CF and just hourglass cheese elysium
Hourglass cheese has gotten me maybe 40 wins
And if no cf I can take Charon and save some time there
bold berry
Hourglass cheese has gotten me maybe 40 wins
Hourglass?
flat flicker
Charon keepsake - extends duration of well items for 4/6/8 rooms based on level. If I have the money, take it in elysium, buy a bunch of stuff, reroll, buy more stuff, repeat. Then in Styx buy more stuff before swapping to acorn - the extended duration still lasts @bold berry
bold berry
Ahhhh
flat flicker
okay we’re near end of elysium with all defiances and this weird scintillating feast subplot. Praying for a Zeus or dio legendary
and now we have 315 health, four minutes left, scintillating feast and Zeus legendary, all my defiances, im scared tho I should be fine
honest kernel
good luck
flat flicker
and td3 didn’t screw me!
honest kernel
td3 is comfy once ur used to it
flat flicker
Yeah i wasn’t but going again for ME fists to get 32 in everything
flat flicker
rip my streak I died to lernard
What if we start with Athena dash and then grab Zeus or ares whomever pops first
ripe ermine
You’d probably want to start with whatever keepsake you want on attack so (a) you’ll get it and (b) have more opportunities to Pom it early
honest kernel
thats the usual but I do remember that bablo did athena starts for streaking?
flat flicker
got it! Went with Athena dash first figuring I’d take ares or Zeus whomever shows up first, worked out!
slim tangle
Made it to Hades with Arthur then died 😔
Cursed slash is cool though
But without it I feel like my runs just crumble without sustain
patent sinew
I wouldnt take Cursed Slash on Arthur. If you need sustain, just take Aphrodite Weak effects and stay in your Special zone
It'll take a lot to kill you
slim tangle
Alright
What sort of setup do you recommend on Arthur? I've been trying to take Athena dash start then shackle for the rest of the run
patent sinew
Athena dash might be better for you, but I take Tidal Dash
slim tangle
Interesting
patent sinew
Take Achilles Keepsake too.
slim tangle
Which one is his?
patent sinew
Yeah. And make sure to take the Mirror that gives you health when you pick up Darkness
So if you ever do take damage, you'll just heal up in Darkness chambers and Boss rooms
patent sinew
Yeah lol
slim tangle
Actually I guess I should ask
What punishment setup should I have if I'm going for that build?
patent sinew
How much heat do you need?
slim tangle
32
patent sinew
Are you afraid of EM4?
patent sinew
LOL
patent sinew
Cursed slash is usually pretty decent. But not on Arthur
patent sinew
Are you currently using EM3?
patent sinew
Definitely do that. I'd do EM4 too, but if you're not confident in it, then you'll just have to focus ln things you KNOW you can do.
left prism
why would you do em4 for 32 
that sounds painful
patent sinew
Before today, I thought everyone thought it was easy
Damn I need to be at my game for this. I can't make a list while at work, but go ahead and put heat into the pacts that you feel most comfortable in.
flat flicker
my 32 heat arthur: HL3 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3
the heats to avoid: jury summons, damage control
flat flicker
Before today, I thought everyone thought it was easy
who thought em4 was easy lol
literally no matter how good your build is, em4 will always be sweat
patent sinew
I didnt say EM4
flat flicker
its manageable without FO, but even so, ive blown so many good runs to EM4
left prism
flat flicker
if you meant em3, i mean its not easy, but kinda need to take it for 32 lol
left prism
lol dw
patent sinew
Theseus is a nonfactor. Asterius' slam is the biggest issue. I still do EM4 dad just because it's a chunk of heat and I dont like my other options for heat.
flat flicker
my first 32 clear (eris) was with em4 and i put it in victory boasting, people told me i was flexing lol
because i was afraid of TD3 and customs and convenince fee
patent sinew
Yeah I dunno why they find him so hard. All he does is spin twice and call doggo
left prism
customs is fine as long you remember to grab trash boons
patent sinew
I wouldnt take BP2 tho. If you're having problems now, BP2 will whoop your tail
flat flicker
customs is fine as long you remember to grab trash boons <:dusa:5222487714095431...
yeah i realized it wasnt as bad as EM4 lol
flat flicker
Yeah I dunno why they find him so hard. All he does is spin twice and call doggo
base race, except you need to have an extra 17k
and getting hit for 50 twice in one second can rattle people
and that last health bar song is like
probably designed to raise anxiety
left prism
em4 alone isnt that bad, pair it with other pacts is pain
flat flicker
FO2 where its like, i just lost 150 health in a half second
left prism
also em4 more like "pray you dont get bad summons and say goodbye to your acorn"
patent sinew
probably designed to raise anxiety
LOL
mossy zinc
base race, except you need to have an extra 17k
A lot more than that. EM4 has 22k max HP per phase.
nocturne stag
Also em4 heals himself, and has better lasers, and spawns minibosses, including the worst enemy in the entire game, the megagorgon
I have more trouble with that than I do Lernie or the champion and theseus
next acorn
also you can't really comfortably take acorn in because of some summons
gaunt fiber
Eh megagorgon is fine
honest kernel
em4 on low heat=easy, em4 around 40+=I regret playing this
spice lava
Eh megagorgon is fine
@gaunt fiber the rocky buddy is less fine 👀
gaunt fiber
Nothing beats bball
nocturne stag
em4 on low heat=easy, em4 around 40+=I regret playing this
Me over here having only managed the just barely beat em4 once on 10 heat
honest kernel
its high heat strats baby
merry otter
32 and up, generally
because that's the last heat that the game rewards you for doing
unique zephyr
Me over here having only managed the just barely beat em4 once on 10 heat
That was me once, too, and now my heat PB is 45 and I have many 32 and 40 heat clears. You’ll get there if you want to and learn the game! I’d recommend fully maxing mirror and your favorite weapon aspects before attempting 32 heat though
nocturne stag
I've done most of that lol. I just gotta get better lol
And also get runs where I actually get the things that make the build work, that also helps
unique zephyr
Yeah that’ll come with time and getting used to various heat factors!
mossy zinc
And also get runs where I actually get the things that make the build work, that...
You don't want to get the things that make the build work. You want to make the build work with the things that you get.
It's a different way of thinking.
nocturne stag
And usually I can when it's not em4 hades dndhbj
mossy zinc
I plan my builds differently for EM4 yeah.
Prioritize boons that actually help in the fight over boons that are only for room clears.
nocturne stag
I don't even really know which of those are which. I was going for mirage charged shot Beowulf and Artemis was just not showing up enough lol. I did manage to get one run that actually had charged shot, but I played that poorly.
And then when I stopped hunting for mirage, Artemis shows back up
nocturne stag
IK that's rng but still
mossy zinc
It's just experience mostly.
worthy cipher
Hi I did my first H32 clear with a recording of my death preceding it. How do I get posted to the ass end of a leaderboard?
mossy zinc
Hi I did my first H32 clear with a recording of my death preceding it. How do I ...
If you go the Unseeded category, there's a link for the submission form to the right.
worthy cipher
ty!
mossy zinc
If you need help with anything on the leaderboard, you can always ping me, Tailesque, or RidiculousHat.
gaunt fiber
Congrats!
severe forge
Just completed Hades and gotten all the lore. thinking about starting to do 32 heat runs any tips or builds would help
so far ive done 3 runs and got to hades once
pseudo kernel
whats the highest heat youve done?
severe forge
idk about 20 but it didnt feel to hard
pseudo kernel
ok
theres a pinned guide in here
you should read it
also what weapon are you using?
mossy zinc
This is my tip for you. https://youtu.be/ZwM2kMKgtdU
severe forge
Im most comfortable with the chiron bow. i think that the weak status is too good to ignore and combining it with either ares or dionysis is what given me the best result
Alright gotta keep practicing
pseudo kernel
yeah just practice
mossy zinc
You're doing Heartbreak Strike with Drunken Flourish or Curse of Pain?
Drunken Flourish and Deadly Flourish are the go-to builds if you're starting Heartbreak Strike.
Either way, Chiron wants lots of Chaos Gates for Flourish boons.
severe forge
Ive tried a run with deadly flourish but i didnt feel like the crit did too much
but i got pretty bad rng so might have just been that run
mossy zinc
Chiron is not gonna do damage without Chaos Boons to be perfectly honest.
You just need a lot of things to happen to get good DPS with the aspect.
severe forge
Yeah i can see that and its pretty reliable on hammer upgrades too
mossy zinc
Like Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air + Splitting Bolt. Stuff like that.
severe forge
what weapon/build do u prefer to play during 32 heat runs?
mossy zinc
Just whatever I feel like at the moment.
I don't really care for what's optimal at 32, personally, unless maybe m speedrunning it.
severe forge
ok im gonna try out a few weapons
mossy zinc
I can tell you what's good, but if you ask me what I play, recently just unorthodox builds with unorthodox pacts that I think might be fun or I want to explore to maybe discover some new potential.
nocturne stag
I've been abusing arthur tank
severe forge
oh ok so what do u think is the strongest weapon or build
flat flicker
Eris rail with Zeus attack
mossy zinc
By the looks of things at the moment, definitely Beowulf.
flat flicker
Im trash with Beowulf 😦
severe forge
i could try arthur but its not my best weapon. i play with forced overtime on and i feel like arthur is just to slow
flat flicker
I mean I had a 32 heat win the other day with Zeus aspect shield and Dionysus cast. I took the cast to sell and at end of Tartarus shop there’s a Zeus and a Scintillating Feast. Guess we’re doing this now
severe forge
🙂
flat flicker
i could try arthur but its not my best weapon. i play with forced overtime on an...
FO speeds it up, bad guys spawn faster
Yeah, have a general idea, but don’t try to force it if it isn’t there
mossy zinc
All you need is Passion Flare or Flood Flare with a bunch of poms on it and Mirage Shot, and look for any +1 ammo or Cast damage you can find from Master Chaos or from Wells of Charon.
flat flicker
Like sure, my death engine of smoldering air and homing meme beams Achilles spear worked awesome
But can I plan for that every time, no
What worked for me was taking a god that could feed into one of two paths, for example Achilles spear start w Artemis attack, then take ares or Demeter whomever shows up naturally and then take that keepsake in asphodel
mossy zinc
You'll just phase all the bosses so fast and kill everything else in one Dragon Rush, all while being fully invincible during the Dragon Rush and negating all damage in 215° around you when blocking.
flat flicker
ooo. should try this
severe forge
gonna do a beowulf run now i'll be back with the results soon
mossy zinc
pseudo| health good block better — 07/28/2021
will post my helpful images
normal shield block: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727351003566092/chart_4.jpeg
Beowulf block: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727407471485048/chart_1.jpeg
For reference.
severe forge
shield feels so off to play. i dont utilize block and im playing it like its a heat 10 run instead of taking my time
got to elysium atleast
green delta
What is Beowulf
left prism
hidden aspect of the shield
remote dew
So I played a run with all heat gauges turned to the max I can set it and I have gathered the following strategies
Step one: start run
Step two: die
flat flicker
imagine your first run having double power bad guys, zero healing, zero money, no choice as to what boons you get, and dad’s third health bar waiting to totally wreck you
copper crown
So I played a run with all heat gauges turned to the max I can set it and I have...
Ah, the suicide speedrun
flat flicker
I once did that w my brother to see who could get further. He won 3-2 on rooms
Heightened security of all things was what did it
gaunt fiber
Lol
bronze rapids
inspired to try 64 for lulz...made it to room 10 (admittedly with midshop), including a hitless bomb miniboss room
would've timed out soon anyway, died with 10 seconds left
mom asked if "[my] last assignment turned out well".......
flat flicker
Made it to 4. Heightened security again when running from like 800 skulls
Is the zag bow any good
I haven’t really played any bow since Rama since getting decent and I remember it being trash early
jaunty falcon
Zag bow is good but if you don't get twin/triple shot it's not going to be great
spice lava
My zag bow clear was with chain shot, could have been better 😄
Dps became okay with Perfect Shot in addition
jaunty falcon
My zag bow anyheat PB uses chain and flurry until dad fight, where I anvilled into triple point blank flurry
spice lava
shy plinth
Oh my goodness
Did you say triple point blank flurry
You just stand on top of things and delete them
eternal hare
that certainly would be a wildly fun and powerful hammer combo
jaunty falcon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/876118230983405588/Hades_25.png it was a 33s dad fight
Modded tbf
jaunty falcon
All the zeus in the world
But at this point i should stop talking in the high heat channel
gaunt fiber
It's fine I think, we've talked about speedruns here before
it's "late game" so I don't see a more fitting channel
rich citrus
triple point blank flurry might be enough to make me play a bow run
subtle cypress
alright dudes
i need some top tips about em4 hades
its my first time fighting him, on my 2nd 32 heat run
i have 300 hp, all 3 death defiances
jaunty falcon
Do you have good boss damage?
subtle cypress
a really op zeus rail build including zeus's legendary
uh common zeus attack lvl 4, rare jolted lvl 3
45% for lighting to strike twice
and a maxed out mirror
with almost nothing flipped
jaunty falcon
You'll be all good, as long as you don't play too aggressively
subtle cypress
also athena dash and multiple ways of afflicting weak
truly the ultimate run
but i cant risk the final dissapointing skelly statue
on a 3 stage boss whos moves i dont know
unfortunately my calls is zeus and theres no invin
flat flicker
With legendary Zeus you’ll have firepower
jaunty falcon
Zeus call is great with pommed double strike and splitting
nocturne stag
Em4 is painful
subtle cypress
it could be a very long time before i get back there with a build that good
shy plinth
EM4 is really tough
It's usually not recommended for 32
Fun fight but scales so much with heat pacts and it's just generally punishing
flat flicker
I’ve lost to em4 with full defiances and 300 health more than I’ve won
Smoldering w Poseidon call was what got me the only 32 em4 clear I have and that also had Eris with Zeus legendary (it was a solid run)
subtle cypress
lost all 3 defiances on the barge of death
scarlet ruin
32 heat EM4 is a fun challenge to shoot for specifically but it's def a brutal fight
subtle cypress
spend up bloodwaves that when i had no deflection or invin
flat flicker
32 heat EM4 is a fun challenge to shoot for specifically but it's def a brutal f...
ive since stopped being scared of TD3 and customs and CF2
subtle cypress
with td you just need to get to the boss chamber in time right
flat flicker
no, you have to clear the region
scarlet ruin
also i remember when i posted my only 40 clear and people were like this is the strangest 40 pact