Unless you're running AP2 because the odds of finding a DD with AP2 are bad anyway.
#h1-high-heat-strategies
mossy zinc
warm otter
Hmm I see
Any good high heat start-up keepsakes for Tartarus? Or does it matter much? I usually do Zeus bc I like thunder dash but you’re right, divine dash will be much better, or I do the coin purse
mossy zinc
If you lose your SD in the room and then pick up Last Stand or Deathless Stand from Lady Athena, she will "replenish" a DD.
And then you get your SD back in the next room like normal and have both.
First keepsake depends on your aspect and the build you're going for.
warm otter
Oh right
mossy zinc
If you have no plans for that, Coin Purse works well.
warm otter
Okay, last question for now, I promise—any pact conditions to avoid with SD? I’m a little worried about conditions like hard labor bc of how much damage they’d deal
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
That works for any aspect, although, on rail you'd probably wanna switch to Thunder Signet start for Lightning Strike.
Unless it's Hestia, then you start 
for Heartbreak Strike.
High % damage, Weak, and easy access to Life Affirmation. That can carry runs.
And then in Asphodel, you grab Divine Dash and look for DDs from her from there.
Okay, last question for now, I promise
You're free to ask as many questions as you want. That's what the channel is for.
solar maple
the main pact that gets much harder with SD vs DDs is em4
shy plinth
Yeah that gets super dicey
hallow cave
How am I gonna not get crushed by em4 in 50 hmmm
I'm real scared abt those boss summons
honest kernel
idk 😔
gaunt fiber
You could, people don't take EM4 in general. But there are not many high heat players and a bunch of us decided to learn EM4 to move on
I was told never to take EM4 as I was grinding heat in my early days
I kinda regret it now
If you plan to grind, learning EM4 is really good
honest kernel
practicing it w a practice safe helps
hallow cave
Practice safe?
@gaunt fiber also I have a question, on your 50 runs you use ap1 over CP, why?
Is it for time?
gaunt fiber
Yes, CP is a disaster for bossing. Can also break some thresholds in Tartarus
I should upload my other runs now that I think about it
hallow cave
any spear ones, specifically one that belongs to a hot blonde hero¿
gaunt fiber
AP1 is manageable, you'll still get a "strong" build. Especially if you don't run RI but EM4
Lmao
I've only done Guan Yu for the spear. Achilles was basically resetting for flurry jab with RI2 so I moved on other aspects
gaunt fiber
Oh yeah you can. But with RI you'll slow down quite hard in Elysium
hallow cave
I was rlly unlucky w flurry yesterday lol
gaunt fiber
Serrated is pretty good too yeah
Some people went for the high roll with EM4
Crystal clarity shenanigans
hallow cave
Ik but without greatest reflex or hypersprint it gets really hard to use against witch type wretches that have the aimbot perk or other wretches w speed
gaunt fiber
Hm
It's kind of a habit to have to deal with witches
You never dash through or towards them if they did not attack
Achilles has iframes on the special too, useful to remember that
hallow cave
I'm aware
The main problem is the time it takes once I take too long for those by focusing on not dying
Sometimes just letting flurry or serrated go ham works better for time
hallow cave
nah I just came back from a week long holiday and have been workin on it for 2 days, played a little on my trip too
I was grinding 10 hours a day before tho 
32 felt too easy so I moved onto 40, but realised the pact changes between 50 and 40 for achilles is more or less miniscule and moved it up to 50 for a juicier goal lol
I'm glad tailesque inspired me to use zeus attack lol dc2 is not a problem anymore
gaunt fiber
40 felt easy to me
But adding DC/RI really killed it for me
I tried 50 for a bit but I did not want to reset for a good hammer
gaunt fiber
Yeah kinda bad
GY was my first 50 and it was RI2 and resets for charged skewer
700 resets
This run made me learn the game again. Before that I was not even aware of Lernie's heads' behavior
hallow cave
700 jeez
hallow cave
This run made me learn the game again. Before that I was not even aware of Lerni...
Wdym by that lol I might not know myself 
waxen relic
The small Heads only have two Attacks: A lunge/Bite and the colourcoded one. And they'll always switch between them. Never the same Attack twice.
The Main Heads are similar, but got some more moves i think.
hallow cave
Oh
I knew that, I was hoping to hear smth abt their head movement as it helps for a battie lineup for second head wave
honest kernel
I usually aim to hit 3 of them on the top
ut idk if thats optimal
I like to avoid spending battie on lernie
hallow cave
Same, but there are times where I really need it if I stepped on lava and lost a dd
waxen relic
Yeah i don't think Lernie is a prime use for summons. But if you're almost dead summon away lol.
waxen relic
Hmm one more thing about Lernie is that you can dodge the big spitting attack from "normal" Main-Head-Lernie by going behind. Can't turn the Head that much. Works against some other Variant's Big Attacks too.
hallow cave
How do people send images in this channel?
waxen relic
By linking them.
honest kernel
I die to lernie more than I should but if I dont get a build that steamrolls him+a nasty head it can be all over pretty fast 
I swore bc of cp2
one penny for the jar
waxen relic
Bad Toffel.
hallow cave
Lol
I either die at fury sisters or deep in elysium, lernie is easy with achilles because you flat out don't get hit
I'm more scared of the lava than anything lmao
honest kernel
the lava sucks yeah it just helps practicing the fight and positions ig
hallow cave
I will audibly sigh when its alecto and my hammer was serrated
honest kernel
I often still charge my bow in the lava 
hallow cave
Mood
waxen relic
I think without HS Traps would be like 'Eh who actually cares'.
hallow cave
yeah but at the same time without HS I feel stubborn defiance regen would take too long
Especially with 15 damage eggs 
waxen relic
Sometimes i think People should just don't waste their time getting that little bit of Health back, as it mostly won't matter. But then it matters 🙂
gaunt fiber
Yeah atticor answered well
It's important to keep all behaviors in mind when your health total is around 60
Or even less
devout quiver
yeah but at the same time without HS I feel stubborn defiance regen would take t...
Yeah, getting SDs in elysium without HS is super slow
jaunty falcon
Wait, you guys have to purposely lose your SD???
If you're not losing it in the first 5 seconds of each chamber, you aren't playing Hades the game
hallow cave
Had a great run today
Only to be ruined by two consecutive extra hp perk (the one w the helmet idk its name) great shield rooms
Two. Consecutive.
Took like 2 whole minutes off
Lost to time in theseus fight
mossy zinc
Bruiser.
gaunt fiber
Yeah bruiser is terrible on these lil blue guys
waxen relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/864578850154348554/20210713204501_1.jpg 5-Sack Clear after timing out with Dio and Ares Start every time. 
Basically a Ri0 Build tbh
pseudo kernel
nice
quartz mantle
That's some gaming
hallow cave
I got bored of 50 and went on 40
Run is goin like a breeze, reach styx
Lose sd bc of bruiser satyrs
whatever
step on pressure plate
109 axe damage
pseudo kernel
No
bright mango
Then wat
bright mango
Yeah bruiser is terrible on these lil blue guys
Everything is terrible on lil blue guys
bright mango
Gotchu
feral forum
for high heat on nemesis i should take deflect right? or should i just go for the normal heartrend?
cus i kept dying on either theseus or hades, maybe cus of my heat setup is trash as well
honest kernel
I looked on Speedrun.com a little while ago and I didn't see any Nemesis runs at 32 Heat submitted, but last I heard Merciful End is still the fastest.
feral forum
damn
shy plinth
For nem you should roll double edge
Otherwise yes probably ME, nemesis is not a reliable weapon in general
static plover
Ngl, I read that at first as "ME is not a reliable weapon in general"
shy plinth
Also not the most wrong thing
feral forum
Otherwise yes probably ME, nemesis is not a reliable weapon in general
welp poseidon time ig
shy plinth
Are you trying to 32 sword?
I just went with arthur first
Poseidon can certainly work too
feral forum
Are you trying to 32 sword?
yep
shy plinth
Yeah athena cast does a ton of damage
Bonus points for lightning phalanx and/or exit wounds
feral forum
have u done 32 with nemesis? i still kinda suck my only 32 clear was fists
solar maple
wasn't going for ME, just randomly got doom attack athena special lol (but no ME)
shy plinth
I'm more of a chillheater
bright mango
for high heat on nemesis i should take deflect right? or should i just go for th...
Prolly yeah
feral forum
A 32 clear means you do not suck 🙂
haha welp i suck
shy plinth
Yeah this channel will play tricks with your mind
Half of the people in here are like the best in the world
feral forum
wait how do you build arthur for high ehat
shy plinth
For high heat or 32
Like if you're pushing 40s or 50s you usually go ap2
It has a hard ceiling when you have to take dc
If it's just 32 it can be a pretty standard pact
Doesn't need much of a duo either, just Artemis or aph attack is enough
But you can build towards all sorts of stuff
feral forum
ah ok
solar maple
aphro attack start and look for zeus call smoldering air I think would be my strategy for before I have to take AP2
mossy zinc
Weak + the damage reduction from Hallowed Ground is so strong.
Smoldering Air + Zeus' Aid will give you DPS and i-frames, and if you get Second Wind on that, your eHP will be ridiculous.
Heartbreak Strike start also gives you easy access to Life Affirmation, and all your HP will be worth a lot more than normal with all that damage reduction...
halcyon flame
i wanna do 45 heat beo but hl5/fo2/em4 is scary
i don't know if pash flare will help enough with damage
mossy zinc
It will.
magic pier
You can do it!
remote pivot
Sorry I'm having a hard time following with all the abbreviations. What's AP2, DC or ME?
mossy zinc
Approval Process 2, Damage Control, Merciful End.
remote pivot
Also if I'm looking to beat 32 heat with the sword, which aspect is best and what build should I go for? I tried Arthur's but I didn't succeed though I didn't go with a certain build; I just got whatever I found along the way
mossy zinc
Initialisms for the pacts are in the pins.
remote pivot
Initialisms for the pacts are in the pins.
oh thank you
mossy zinc
If you scroll up just a bit, there are some recommendations for Excalibur.
gaunt fiber
You can go with Arthur and stack some damage reduction with heartbreak strike, then hp hp hp
mossy zinc
I'd say that's the easiest for 32 Heat because you can make a lot of mistakes and still clear.
gaunt fiber
If you don't like sword at all, a cast build with poseidon will do the trick
mossy zinc
What Astaos said, yeah, and also Zeus' Aid and get Smoldering Air.
Or you can just grab Heartbreak Strike + Divine Dash, maybe get Divine Protection if you can because why not.
strange parrot
hmmm
I see heart rend chiron as a reccommended build for 32 heat
might give it another shot
I think if I didn't use eris, I'd def use the zeus sheild
let the special do all the work while I sit bull rushed in a corner gg ez
mossy zinc
Chiron is very easy for 32 Heat. You don't need to be good at bow to do 32 with Chiron.
I wouldn't focus too much on whether you get Heart Rend or Low Tolerance. Just start and then pick whichever you see first between Drunken Flourish and Deadly Flourish.
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Flourish and Tempest Flourish are perfectly fine picks, too.
hallow cave
Won't come close to luck like that anytime soon
mossy zinc
If you take Tempest Flourish, look for Zeus' Aid afterwards for Smoldering Air and Sea Storm... or Electric Shot for just Sea Storm.
strange parrot
I wouldn't focus too much on whether you get Heart Rend or Low Tolerance. Just s...
okay, I had good low tolerance builds, and one really nice heart rend build, damage last time just wasn't it cheif
strange parrot
If you take Tempest Flourish, look for Zeus' Aid afterwards for Smoldering Air a...
if I get sea storm, does it apply once per special?
or once per arrow
mossy zinc
There's a cooldown, but it should proc 2 times per Special, sometimes 3 times if they hit a bit delayed. Always at least 3 times if you have Relentless Volley.
strange parrot
oooh okay
remote pivot
Which of the Companions is favored on 32/ high heat?
strange parrot
Tempest flourish is interesting, I got it to work on zeus sheild and it was pretty damn strong
mossy zinc
Which of the Companions is favored on 32/ high heat?
Battie or sometimes Antos. Antos helps you get out of Tartarus more reliably if you have trouble with the Furies.
Tempest Flourish has very high % damage. Second only to Heartbreak Flourish.
strange parrot
you'd think it would just push the enemies away and only hit em once but it actually kept knocking em, sometimes into walls
mossy zinc
Won't come close to luck like that anytime soon
If you can get there once, you can make it a second time. And next time you won't be as nervous. Might take a few times of making it to Hades before you feel comfortable in the fight at that Heat. A practice save at the fight helps a lot for that.
strange parrot
Practice save?
hallow cave
Whats a practice save
remote pivot
pracitce save?! 
mossy zinc
Get into the chamber you want to practice > backup your Profile1_Temp.sav. Replace Profile2.sav or whichever slot with your practice save. Then just load your save from profile 2, do the fight, and when you die or win, just pause and Give Up, then you can do it again.
Save files are in \Documents\Saved Games\Hades
strange parrot
interesting
mossy zinc
The reason it works is that "Give Up" essentially tells the game to load your permanent save (from back in the House of Hades) next time.
But you overwrite the permanent save in that slot with your temp save from inside the chamber.
So you just load that one next time.
mossy zinc
I mean it's not for cheesing a win, it's for practicing the fight so you're better prepared on your actual run.
honest kernel
i'd say its less cheesy than hoping to win with an abnormally good build :p
both things work but once you know the fight you keep that muscle memory forever
mossy zinc
You still need to actually defeat Hades.
remote pivot
If I want to play on Hell Mode, do I have to start a completely new save with the story all over again from scratch?
gaunt fiber
yeah
hallow cave
Is there not a mod that can replicate a save w it
gaunt fiber
you can edit the files if you absolutely want the personal liability pact
shy plinth
Copying a file seems way better than installing a mod
jaunty falcon
@halcyon flame if you can go sub 9 at 32 heat beo, you can do 45 no problem. Just don't play the same way as a speedrun.
halcyon flame
only thing i'm worried about is superdad
mossy zinc
You don't have to take EM4 at 45.
remote pivot
I'm watching the speedrun pinned by Schadenfreudic and I'm wondering how is he reloading so quickly with Hestia while dashing. Is that using the default controls or is there a recommended set of keybinds for better gameplay?
mossy zinc
Reload isn't any faster, but you can cancel the reload animation into anything.
Just press Dash + Reload or Special + Reload.
I set reload to LB/L1 on pad.
halcyon flame
i really should try tinkering with my keybinds when playing certain weapons
mossy zinc
I also set Cast to LB/L1 for Hera and Beowulf.
halcyon flame
i've been playing with q on special since i first played
remote pivot
@mossy zinc thank you
quartz mantle
I typically run special on right click or cast on right click for Hera and Beo
shy gulch
I also set Cast to LB/L1 for Hera and Beowulf.
this is really useful for hera/beo, i do this too
mossy zinc
Nice! Did you use the English or the brand new Chinese submission form? 
remote pivot
I beat 32 heat! On my first try after watching the pinned guide; I used Hestia and I was doing alright up until the Hades fight. I ran out of time on the 2nd phase but I managed to wrap it up before dying and I still had my Stubborn Defiance. Sweet, now I can finally play for resources on low heat. Thanks for the tips
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
shy plinth
I beat 32 heat! On my first try after watching the pinned guide; I used Hestia a...
Grats!
gaunt fiber
Sweet, now I can finally
playgrind for resources onlowhigh heat. Thanks for the tips
ftfw
gaunt fiber
Embrace HS you coward
pseudo kernel
no
gaunt fiber
RI1 stinky
pseudo kernel
i know
hallow cave
Embrace the magma become one with the molten lava
pseudo kernel
no
jaunty falcon
Also don't use privileged status, although I guess with AP1 it's not so bad
shy plinth
Oh I didn't even notice PS
mossy zinc
Man, Serrated + Flurry Jab is worse than Flurry Slash.
honest kernel
which one takes priority
mossy zinc
What happens is any time you press Dash-Strike, you get the triple-slash from Serrated Point followed by a jab from Flurry.
No matter for how short you press Attack, the jab will always come out after the Dash-Strike.
honest kernel
bleh
mossy zinc
Can't do hit-and-run with Serrated Point anymore because you can't run lol.
mossy zinc
That combo is probably worse than Gilgamesh tbh lol.
shy plinth
Yikes
waxen relic
btw on the spreadsheet, who is testing and his glorious google highheat-run?^^
shy plinth
That is a placeholder run for the CN sheet
It needs at least one entry to not break the form
So I am going to delete it as soon as we get one
waxen relic
ah okay
mossy zinc
Yeah, we made a Chinese version of the leaderboard and submission form, so it's easier for them to submit their runs.
gaunt fiber
👲
mossy zinc
By "we" I mean I directed my servants. 👸🏽
waxen relic
Perfect.
shy plinth
bright mango
Google?
feral forum
ais it just me or gy on like 32 heat is hard, i finally beat 32 with arthur and nemesis (with ME sadly but eh its still 32 heat haha)
feral forum
I kept getting the spin hammer
Also for like 32 heartrend is still the way to go for gy rite?
jaunty falcon
It's nice to have but you don't need it
I'd prefer a pommed epic heartbreak flourish for high heat, weak is just so good
honest kernel
spin hammers good tho
feral forum
spin hammers good tho
i cant play it for some reason hmm ill try learning it at low heat first maybe
feral forum
I'd prefer a pommed epic heartbreak flourish for high heat, weak is just so good
so just special build? i mean i usually do heartbreak flourish+dio atk+athna/posedion dash its probably bad doe haha
honest kernel
big spin and fast spin turn you into a roomba cleaning up all enemies
feral forum
hmm what to go for atk if im doing a spin build?
gaunt fiber
Artemis is the best
Damage wise
The crit is insane given the base damage
If you wanna survive, Demeter (especially with killing freeze), Athena
Aphro still an option but won't scale that much
gaunt fiber
o7
halcyon flame
finally coming into superdad on 45 heat
i forgot to start recording earlier in the run so i'm only gonna have a recording of the fight
was hoping to get 2 divine dds but this will have to do
died immediately
didn't even get to see cerb
feral forum
damn
gaunt fiber
Yeah the pillars will not protect you from the sweeps
hallow cave
I was stuck between two vases
Unfortunate
I have a q btw I'd appreciate it if smth could answer asap bc I'm doing the run rn lol, is it possible to see eurydice sisyphus and patty in a single run or is it 2 only?
waxen relic
Possible.
tepid mural
hallow cave
yay 
aphrodite call carried, hades moves too much for hunting blades to do chunks ngl
can I submit this onto the leaderboard like this or do I need a video?
honest kernel
yes but keep in mind that victory screen only wont be on the main leaderboard
honest kernel
obs is what i use
hallow cave
I couldn't find the link to the form
could someone be so kind to link it?
I found it the other day but I just can't seem to find it rn
waxen relic
If you open the spreadsheet, scroll to the right.
magic pier
Awesome!
heady fossil
I’m hitting a wall around HH 12, and I haven’t been able to beat EM4. In general, is it better to build DPS on a single attack or combo?
I’m also still trying to get chaos legendary boon so I’m not using keepsakes to tilt the scales, which might make this too big of an ask
hallow cave
Whats HH 12?
If you mean heat
U definitely shouldn't be doing EM4 at 12 heat
EM4 is only put on 40+
gaunt fiber
EM4 is a wall
hallow cave
A big scary wall
mossy zinc
You can do EM4 for fun, but it's a lot more brutal than other pacts for 4 Heat.
gaunt fiber
If you want to grind peacefully EM4 is not the preferred choice
hallow cave
I'm on mobile but it would be a good opportunity to link the image w the pact difficulties for boodles
gaunt fiber
I’m hitting a wall around HH 12, and I haven’t been able to beat EM4. In general...
It really depends on the aspect. Some will like duos, others will grab a few core boons, a call and you'll be set
hallow cave
Oop yeah you will have to press it yourself
hallow cave
I’m also still trying to get chaos legendary boon so I’m not using keepsakes to ...
Keepsakes are important, chaos legendary is not something you should play around
You can get extra death defiances from the likes of ethan
Athena*
Rather than having to waste your rolls on chaos
mossy zinc
Ah yes, Ethan.
heady fossil
Keepsakes are important, chaos legendary is not something you should play around
Yeah I know it’s just my last prophecy and I’ve been trying to check it off.
heady fossil
Noted 🙂
mossy zinc
Great performance by George Clooney. Still can't believe they got him to provide Ethan's voice for the game.
gaunt fiber
The requirement for chaos legendary is another chaos boon. Take god's legacy for improved chance. Keepsake too
heady fossil
Yup. Been doing that.
I’ve had three chaos trips in one run
I should just turn off the heat to grind for this
At least EM3 is predictable for me now.
hallow cave
Yep
mossy zinc
Anyway, (1) question is more suited for #h1-builds-and-combat than high heat because high heat typically refers to 32+ish; and (2) Haelian has some good, simple guides for hammers and boons for each weapon to give you an idea how to get DPS. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmj6-vxquxwS0UXHEpzhS8ExlDs3Z-yku
heady fossil
Cool thanks all
fossil glacier
Anyway, (1) question is more suited for <#520688402958516254> than high heat bec...
Thanks a lot for that!
tropic stream
LOL
athena legendary chamber 12
was gonna go special and hope for deadly reversal but since riposte was epic and i didn't have other UC fodder i just took it since i didn't think i'd see another athena anyways
turns out i was wrong
sharp thicket
I'm sorry, what do SD mean?
clever otter
Stubborn defiance, it’s a mirror talent
sharp thicket
Thank you ^^
gaunt fiber
It's basically what allows us to suffer eternally
tidal flame
Man too stubborn to die
waxen relic
Sweet Call 🙂 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/865610783668043827/20210716170525_1.jpg
shy plinth
That's a lot of purple
waxen relic
btw i think Talos is a better Mirrorless Weapon than ZagFist.
That reach from the Pull is nice.
mossy zinc
Yeah, probably.
The first high heat mirrorless runs were me with Zag Fists and Wriste13 with Talos, actually.
hallow cave
I wanna do a 32 w nemesis because its a nice looking weapon oop
Whats the normal high heat build for it
Still ME?
mossy zinc
Pretty sure Heart Rend is more popular.
Or just do Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid and get Smoldering Air.
Well.
Probably the most popular is just Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike + Divine Dash, and just get whatever synergy you can from the other two gods.
Bablo and Haelian like to just start Divine Dash at high heat.
But that's mainly 40+. At 32, it's perfectly viable to just speedrun it.
So, be as aggressive with your build as you're comfortable.
forest violet
waxen relic
Not sure what you mean. As mentioned above Heart Rend is a popular built for Nemesis at 32 Heat. You will need to use the Sword Kit though.
trim sigil
If i did unhealthy fixation on 40,you can heart rend on 32 
narrow carbon
I’ve seen lots of videos on how to Meg, but not much on Antos timing. Here’s a couple short clips in case they are useful (with CP1 and MM, relevant to hell mode).
For Doomstone, you need one hit (like a cast) for Achilles to break armor, and then you need to kill the shard so that Patroclus hits the Doomstone. https://imgur.com/a/LSKL2TA
For Sneak, you summon when it appears a second time with an exclamation mark, otherwise Achilles will miss. https://imgur.com/a/uwVYOFG
Megagorgon can also be done quickly with Antos (have the Skull-Crusher land on the Megagorgon, and Achilles will hit both) but I don’t have a clip yet
mossy zinc
I’ve seen lots of videos on how to Meg, but not much on Antos timing. Here’s a c...
If you don't have DC or CP, you can just summon Antos on Doomstone and dash to the exit. Summon hit won't spawn a shard.
And you can summon Antos on the Wretched Sneak immediately when it disappears the first time.
Oh wait, you said that for the Sneak. Misread.
narrow carbon
These work with CP1, but I assume not CP2
mossy zinc
MM Megagorgon can be tricky because of teleports.
narrow carbon
Huh, I’ve had Doomstone spawn shards. Maybe I didn’t summon fast enough, or CP1 matters?
mossy zinc
Yeah, dunno about CP1. I used Antos mainly with CP0 and CP2.
It's because Achilles breaks armor with CP0, I think.
narrow carbon
These are hell mode clips, so CP1. Yeah, maybe it takes an extra hit to finish off the armor, ahead of Achilles’ 2nd attack
In the clip there’s already a shard very early - in my experience Achilles sometimes hits it on 2nd attack
mossy zinc
In the clip there’s already a shard very early - in my experience Achilles somet...
The shard is from your Cast.
Also.. second hit is Patroclus, not Master Achilles.
hallow cave
So badass
waxen relic
Not completely sure, but I feel like the first is Patroclus and the second Achilles.
waxen relic
Anyway it breaks Doomstone and Sneak Armor on CP0, yes.
narrow carbon
Aha, I’ll try Doomstone with just the summon to avoid shards
According to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M8uSUx4vW6TZHHb8z7SbGL4uWxcME7aB3LAIikfpmoM/edit Doomstone has 1325 armor, so CP1 (15%) would make it 1523 or 1524 with rounding, so I guess one hit is needed which will always create one shard
waxen relic
You were right @mossy zinc Achilles comes first.
Yes CP1 breaks Antos on Doomstone a little.
narrow carbon
I’ve edited above to clarify that one hit is needed for Doomstone on CP1
waxen relic
Oh and btw you can summon Antos a little earlier, meaning before the Doomstone (or butterfly ball f.e.) fully spawned. Just in case that wasn't clear.
feral forum
haha i tried em4 hades on 32 again kept failing cus i used sd and cant get the second sd from athena cus of rng, 3 rerolls and no extra sd, sadge
mossy zinc
Yeah, EM4 is not the pick for 32 Heat if you want an easy 32. 
feral forum
ik i was trying to find a fun hard combo for 32, i messed up the hades fight always but im starting to get used to his em4 moveset
devout quiver
EM4 is really hard, but very fun once you learn the fight a bit
feral forum
yeah thats why i didnt take HL with it
cus ill mess up even more if i take that haha
mossy zinc
HL5 EM4 should be a lot easier than EM4 FO2.
feral forum
HL5 EM4 should be a lot easier than EM4 FO2.
hmm idk i enjoyed it more with FO2 ig its preference
narrow carbon
Does Dash Nova make the Arthur Special faster? It feels like the other aspects’ speed
Nevermind - I have a rare Swift Flourish (from AP2)
hallow cave
Why not HL5 and FO2 
magic pier
Whats the normal high heat build for it
I run and often clear 32 - 36 happily with Nemesis (my fav sword) with Aph opener looking for both attack and special and then look for Art for Hunter's Mark and to put on cast to open up Heartrend and easily apply whichever cast debuff I'm running that time. Any dash except Dio or Ares.
plush flax
HL5 EM4 should be a lot easier than EM4 FO2.
It's not, really, at least for me
however, perhaps this is because I don't like running it without FO2, it's less fun. Therefore I've done the fight far more times with fo2 than without, so without it just messes me up sometimes
magic pier
however, perhaps this is because I don't like running it without FO2, it's less ...
I hear this. FO0 messes me up in regular rooms now and I'm always dashing a beat too early, but for whatever reason it doesn't with bosses. It might be because I often run Abyssal specifically because on FO2 I sometimes can't react to their tells (cough cough spear throw cough cough) in time otherwise. As a result, HL5 FO0 EMdad is still easier than HL0 FO2 EMdad for me. FO2 dad IS going to hit me. FO0 dad probably won't if I can stop daydreaming about sturgeons and victory screens before the fight is over.
plush flax
should i do zeus or artemis' attack for an achilles flurry jab build on 50 heat?
ap1 ri0 because em4
I could make it ap2 cp1 and remove em4
jaunty falcon
EM4 with Achilles on a non-cast build will be rough
plush flax
i'd have to check if i'd still get flurry jab
plush flax
EM4 with Achilles on a non-cast build will be rough
Not really, I've done it before on 45
jaunty falcon
Start tidal and pick the first one you see
jaunty falcon
I've no clue
plush flax
yeah I'd prefer divine
jaunty falcon
I've never recommended flurry Achilles at high heat before
plush flax
but anyway I'm removing em4
i don't even need ri2 to make up for that, just ap2 and 1 calisthenics
jaunty falcon
Just do hunting blades or something
plush flax
no
that's a bad idea
that's going to make me go insane like it did on 40 heat
ah
i can't do ap2 lmao the starting hammer on the seed i found crosses out flurry if i do
what I'll do is go flurry jab with ares keepsake
and then just hope for artemis' attack
that way if cast build fails I'll be able to fall back on flurry
jaunty falcon
You could do phalanx shot into LP
jaunty falcon
LP is really good lol
jaunty falcon
LP is the reason why Arthur has a sub 7
It's really strong
And it doesn't need a lot
quartz mantle
Phalanx Shot on its own functions properly
Which is more than can be said for slicing shot
quartz mantle
Idk Achilles at high heat seems kinda sketch regardless
plush flax
Idk Achilles at high heat seems kinda sketch regardless
why?
quartz mantle
Like either you go for cast build which is hard with AP/RI/CF or you go for flurry jab which also sucks with AP and is pretty dangerous
plush flax
it's possibly the best aspect
jaunty falcon
It's really unsafe
plush flax
ehhhh
jaunty falcon
it's possibly the best aspect
Only for anyheat
plush flax
the mobility from the special is great
quartz mantle
Uh
I’d definitely disagree on that personally
At lea at I don’t feel like Achilles special makes a huge difference
plush flax
it's pretty good when em4 hades is spinning towards you and you can't dash through him
not a huge one
but it's enough to matter
quartz mantle
It’s great for speedruns cause you schmoove fast
jaunty falcon
TD3 is not a speedrun tbh
quartz mantle
5 minutes per region is pretty lenient
plush flax
also I know I can do it with flurry
quartz mantle
I personally didn’t like doing Achilles at high heat cause it’s optimal state turns it into a completely different weapon
plush flax
I've never died at 50 heat 😎
has never played 50 heat, probably
plush flax
oh also that time that I nearly beat hades but died
fun fact: I was one chamber away from still having patty by the time the fight started
i had 3 tunnels but two were short
if all 3 had been short I would've just barely had it
or if I had 2
quartz mantle
It always be like that don’t it
You either bring patty in with one chamber left or you lose it in the last Styx room
Or you don’t get patty at all
jaunty falcon
I think I'm going to copy a 55 heat pact and try that then I'll be done with high heat
quartz mantle
gaunt fiber
oh wait hey i know you
You'll never take me alive!
narrow carbon
Here’s a clip of Antos timing for the Megagorgon and Skull Crusher with MM and CP1 https://imgur.com/a/q6SzvmC
mossy zinc
Nice nice!
hallow cave
Is that hades spear w ME?
mossy zinc
Well, it's Hades Aspect with Curse of Agony.
narrow carbon
I’m trying to get ME - need Athena Special first
mossy zinc
@fresh scarab +3 dashes, Hyper Sprint, Twin Shot, Deadly Strike, Hunter's Mark, and Divine Dash on Zag Bow. That'll do all the work you need at 32.
And you got a rare Strike from Master Chaos, too.
fresh scarab
i never said i got unlucky there, haha
it's just that a lot of my good runs end up being built around a small set of really good boons, like zeus legendary or ME
instead of a larger set of very decent, more well-rounded boons
honest kernel
you dont need much to win I think so that sounds about right
mossy zinc
Don't know what else you could want there except Rush Delivery and a better second hammer.
fresh scarab
yeah, i'm definitely not complaining about what i did get
i just thought it was interesting that my first 32-heat win felt different than all of my other wins
mossy zinc
+3 dashes is probably more of a blessing than something like ME at high heats.
honest kernel
i know this isnt high heat but i dont know where else to put this so uh what heat upgrades should i go for i just unlocked the pact
just try them out
its a prophecy to do that anyway
mm okay
i went with the enemies deal 20% more damage to you first
mossy zinc
You could also do 0 Heat first with every weapon before you try 1 Heat.
honest kernel
yeah thats fair i havent done much with the shield so
shield or spear for that matter
mossy zinc
Haelian has a good guide where he goes over the different pacts if it feels a bit overwhelming to choose. https://youtu.be/CGl1vVnFPsw
Only gotta watch like the first 6 minutes because then he goes into 8+ Heat, so that's a bit far off still.
honest kernel
is there a video for which are the better mirror upgrades? i know this is offtopic but i wanna ask rq
mossy zinc
honest kernel
i literally saw that in my recommended right after the heat video lmao
anyways
thanks for the help
mossy zinc
lol
Haelian had a whole lot of WRs through most of Early Access and still after that, so you can generally trust what he says.
honest kernel
alright
autumn ginkgo
any tips for fighting the gorgon and skullcrusher with middle management? im usually fine with gorgon but the last couple times i got to skullcrusher my skull got crushed, and im about to face them right now
mossy zinc
Line up Meg to break the armor of both when the Skullcrusher comes down.
You can also time Antos like mallory496 shows here if you're using Antos. https://imgur.com/a/q6SzvmC
mossy zinc
Meg always aims in line with Zag's shoulders, perpendicular to his line of sight.
So it's pretty easy to hit them both consistently.
But no, if I miss, I'd just keep going anyway.
autumn ginkgo
yeah ik, but like if they jump back up or teleport before she gets them
bronze rapids
How does Antos tracking work?
autumn ginkgo
lmao i just went in and they died in 5 sec, meg bopped them
next acorn
nice
mossy zinc
Nice nice.
autumn ginkgo
probably going to die to the heroes now
mossy zinc
Keep on Acorn if you were using Acorn in Asphodel.
gaunt fiber
it's good damage
autumn ginkgo
i dont think ive used it on beo so im not sure
gaunt fiber
and excellent way to die at high heat
mossy zinc
Because you don't block anymore when you let go of your Attack.
jaunty falcon
Sudden rush is great
autumn ginkgo
the other options are unyielding defence and breaching rush
jaunty falcon
Have you got hyper sprint?
autumn ginkgo
uh
mossy zinc
I'd take it. Still the best hammer, anyway, but if you expect to be bull-rushing through danger if you let go of Attack and then take a hit in the face because you let go of block, that's on you.
jaunty falcon
Charged shot is probably still best even if it is slightly more dangerous
gaunt fiber
You just have to adapt your gameplay yeah
mossy zinc
Dragon Rush/Bull Rush lets you let go of Attack before your enemy's attack. Charged Shot, you wait until after you blocked the attack, and then let go.
gaunt fiber
unyielding defense and breaching were also good options
autumn ginkgo
damnit
i wasted time in styx trying to gain back some health
then time ran out and i paniked and hades speared me
gonna try another aspect now
bright mango
Watcha doing @autumn ginkgo ?
magic pier
Because you don't block anymore when you let go of your Attack.
This so much. This took me an intentional "ok, I rolled an early charged shot so I'm doing nothing but practicing that" run to start to get a handle on.
shy plinth
@mossy zinc do you know which BP combos can't happen?
daring hedge
<@!311477984886521856> do you know which BP combos can't happen?
cloner/lava pool thing/popper because of being region exclusives
daring hedge
oh god yeah lol
quartz mantle
Yes
next acorn
clones alone already cause a bit of lag when they get out of control
shy plinth
Framerate is what made me basically fully convert to PC over switch
I was switch only until cross saves but it's so much smoother on PC
daring hedge
i double dipped with hades on switch but still have not played it on there lol
hallow cave
The white name said
hades is trash
Go crazy
And then uhh smth inappropriate for this server lol
shy plinth
They are also no longer in the server
Don't know if that was the mods or not but I will give them credit
Nice job mods
clever otter
they left on their own, but oh boy, let me just delete that last message
shy plinth
Thank you alma 🙂
Or should I say Teşekkürler
Which is what google translate said is "thanks"
hallow cave
That is thanks yep
next acorn
So I'm trying to do 32 with Achilles and struggling. Furthest I've gotten is Lernie. Was thinking maybe the pact could use some work? was doing HL4 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO1 TD3
next acorn
Only speedruns
shy plinth
I'd check out some higher heat ones on the leaderboard to see what they're doing that you're not
That pact shouldn't be a problem at all
next acorn
ok
mossy zinc
<@!311477984886521856> do you know which BP combos can't happen?
Speeder + Seeker, Speeder + Puller, Shifter + Linker, and Cloner + Savior—you can't see any of these combos.
And Superelites can't get Bruiser.
mossy zinc
And some enemy types can't get certain perks.
waxen relic
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/866770000588177428/20210719215248_1.jpg Dio Special Start 
next acorn
wdym by variant
and I just thought trying for flurry build would be better
when I was maxing bounties I was trying hunting blades out and it just felt weird
shy plinth
You are very dependent on a single hammer in act 1
If you whiff you just don't have a build
You could do something like a heart rend or whatever I suppose or even deadly reversal
Maybe try athena special as your keepsake boon in tart, pick up dash, and go for arty attack
Seems safe enough and big damage
mossy zinc
If you start Owl Pendant on Achilles, just start Phalanx Shot and for Lightning Phalanx. 
next acorn
is flurry not still really good if you do get it though?
shy plinth
It is very good
next acorn
I'll try out going for Lightnigh Phalanx
next acorn
Had some really nice boons, got lightning phalanx at the end of tart and mirage somewhere in aspho and had a good amount of poms in my cast. Died to Lernie because my casts got stuck in them when the other heads came out so I couldn't deal with them well and they would sometimes fly into the lava and I would lose them.
what do I do to prevent that?
shy plinth
Are you always spamming triple cast?
A lot of the value of casting is making sure you know how many you need and not overdoing it
Asphodel for cast projectiles can be pretty rough at times but they should only be lodged in lernie for 5-6 seconds?
Might be worth recording the start of a run and posting it to see if there's anything people notice, I've lost some runs to losing casts in asphodel too but I'd be surprised if that brief window was enough for instant death
next acorn
I don’t have a way to record myself
shy plinth
Oh, switch gamer?
shy plinth
One of us, one of us
I was switch gamer all the way until cross saves
And yeah I still struggle with that too, I'm so used to the idea of just use all casts at once
But it's much faster to do one at a time if they're big damage
jaunty falcon
I don’t have a way to record myself
You can use a USB capture card plugged into a laptop running OBS
That's what I do
hallow cave
Using lightning phalanx at 32 is useless imo
Just use crystal clarity or hunting blades
I did 32 first try w hunting blades
mossy zinc
I mean it's not useless if you want to start Owl Pendant, might as well do that.
And you get easy DDs and Divine Dash in the run.
hallow cave
U can do athena in asphodel
mossy zinc
Bablo started Owl Pendant in near every run in his 40 Heat win streak for a reason. Deflect gud, DDs gud.
hallow cave
Thats 40 tho
mossy zinc
Tbh all three of those builds should be pretty easy clears at 32.
Crystal Clarity and Hunting Blades don't get you Divine Dash or DDs necessarily, but they play the game for you when they're online.
hallow cave
Phalanx in bossesss thoo
gaunt fiber
wdym bosses
gaunt fiber
Phalanx is your best friend in Elysium
mossy zinc
You'll have Lightning Strike and Jolted most likely. That's good enough. And plenty of DDs and Divine Dash for mistakes.
shy plinth
gaunt fiber
with some electric duo
shy plinth
For build ideas
hallow cave
Had some really nice boons, got lightning phalanx at the end of tart and mirage ...
Idk man I'm just judging my response off potato's complaints
mossy zinc
"Pride" of Olympus, indeed. Who needs Gods' Legacy?
shy plinth
That's with god's pride looooool
hallow cave
I aint speaking objectively
shy plinth
Quite a lot of green and orange boons
mossy zinc
That's with god's pride looooool
And almost everything that isn't a Duo or Legendary is purple too lol.
shy plinth
Purple best color
shy plinth
I should have seen that coming
hallow cave
@next acorn if phalanx ia rlly not working for u use hunting blades, arty attack start and pick up ares and flurry jab asap, chaos +1 is pog and tidal dash is pog too for mirage shot and gud dps
dense steppe
is there a difference with middle management on the Asterius miniboss? I didn't notice a difference
pseudo kernel
No
hallow cave
No
pseudo kernel
Em3 affects the 1v1 with asterius
gaunt fiber
No but ^
next acorn
I want to try Phalanx a bit more bc that was just one run but I will keep blades in mind. I think I just really need to learn to not throw all my casts at once
hallow cave
I feel like phalanx is just too cautious for 32
Bc the game lets u get away w blades
Whereas in higher heat setting it up is a nightmare
Compared to jus do athena zeus flurry and casually hoping for the duo instead of selling your firstborn for it
next acorn
But I like my firstborn.
Can I sell my seccondborn?
hallow cave
Go for it
mossy zinc
I dunno, I wouldn't die with any of those builds at 32, so it's not like I could tell you which one is the easiest lol.
But Deflect and DDs always allow new players to make a lot mistakes, so that's good.
So it's like, I dunno, any of them are good. Practice is gonna matter more in the end imo.
shy plinth
Nice
gaunt fiber
my pleasure potato
magic pier
Nice
hybrid ginkgo
damn i tried 32 heat
i died at meg
i wanted to get the skelly statue
but man i cant do this lmao
daring hedge
plenty of people begin their 32 heat journey by immediately dying to meg
don't let it discourage you
shy plinth
Hey I didn't
I immediately died to Alecto
She's the worst
Also I don't know what heat you normally run on but if you jump up to 32 from anything below like 25 expect it to be a sudden adjustment
gaunt fiber
hybrid ginkgo
<:Prayge:858997817992282162>
i died at phase 2
fuuuuuu
it wouldve been sub 15 too
gaunt fiber
o7
feral forum
Gl mate
hallow cave
Whats ur pact
hybrid ginkgo
the pinned one
hallow cave
Huh isn't that only the base until 19
hybrid ginkgo
i also have like the time limit to 5 minutes\
i just put random stuff until it was 32
lol
hallow cave
Like what
hallow cave
Am gonna borrow a lil smth
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
Except cf2 bad here we stan cf0
feral forum
Hmm id say a good start is HL5,CF2, LC4, EM3, MM, UC, BP2, TD4 or yiu can do HL0 but FO2
feral forum
Dc2? Lmao
honest kernel
depends on weapon
feral forum
Its kinda free for eris
gaunt fiber
Pinned message says dc2 😵💫 😵💫
Says it depends on the aspect
Also scroll down a bit on the pinned messages
You have a heat chart
Which is really nice tbh
quartz mantle
Stubborn Roots heals through LC
If something doesn't say it's affected by LC it's not affected by LC
Like Hydralites and Health Potions in wells say they're affected by LC, same thing for Nourished Soul
things like Stubborn Roots, Quick Recovery, Draining Cutter, Cursed Slash, and Guan Yu spin are all unaffected by LC
solemn pulsar
would be funny if they removed all the stuff that didn't work once it hit LC4
well shops would be kiss/touch of styx, midas, and centaur soul
next acorn
me dumb
quartz mantle
It would unironically make LC4 even more free
Making Demeter boon pool smaller is actually kinda nuts
next acorn
rav will?
solar maple
killing freeze is an absurdly good boon
solemn pulsar
her attack/special have great % at rare/epic
killing freeze is shtupid
and chill is really good since it basically cancels FO
quartz mantle
Killing Freeze is nuts yea
solemn pulsar
my 50 hera clear had twin shot epic frost strike
daring hedge
KF goes off
solemn pulsar
made EM4 way easier
quartz mantle
Frost Strike is underrated too yea
It's no Heartbreak or Deadly Strike but it's still really solid
daring hedge
i don't feel the difference too much from standard chill compared to nothing at FO2
but KF i absolutely do
it's massive
honest kernel
KF I can see yeah
quartz mantle
Yea KF is the big ticket item
honest kernel
its just idk why I would want her cores in the first place
over aphro/artemis basicially
daring hedge
AP2 😔
gaunt fiber
when you chill lernie's heads
next acorn
ap2 go brrr
gaunt fiber
and you can't tell which color they are anymore
honest kernel
🥴
daring hedge
like if dem shows up and decides to fill a core with rare/epic i'll take it and won't be upset about it
quartz mantle
and you can't tell which color they are anymore
If I play late at night my night mode makes it so I can't tell what color the heads are anyways
daring hedge
if she decides to replace a core that had artemis or something, i will probably be a little upset
gaunt fiber
If I play late at night my night mode makes it so I can't tell what color the he...
nice
quartz mantle
True lmao
gaunt fiber
oh that one too yeah
mossy zinc
The only AP2 boons Lady Demeter has are Nourished Soul and Ravenous Will.
next acorn
is rav will bad?
gaunt fiber
it's pretty good
quartz mantle
It's really good on castpects and pretty alright on other aspects
gaunt fiber
highly relies on rarity though
daring hedge
it's better than you'd initially think because it's global damage
quartz mantle
common is like 10% or something small lmao
daring hedge
so it's flexible
gaunt fiber
but global damage and DR, I'd take it any day
daring hedge
lightning rod rav will kinda slaps
gaunt fiber
common combo 
gaunt fiber
oh I do
whether I run infernal or not is not a decision, I just don't bother to switch
daring hedge
same though lol
waxen relic
It really isn't a decision yeah
gaunt fiber
but when I'm asked why I do run infernal
I actually give some arguments
just so I look cleverish
daring hedge
and the main argument is obvious
gaunt fiber
(it's a secret)
daring hedge
lightning rod
next acorn
R O D
hallow cave
Wait what
gaunt fiber
hallow cave
How do you even use rod
jaunty falcon
Put the casts down, get more Zeus boons and global damage
waxen relic
It's just free damage.
hallow cave
What weapon would use it
daring hedge
the bolts come out very fast after the cast lands
gaunt fiber
any
mossy zinc
Lightning Rod is better Exit Wounds.
hallow cave
Should I bother picking it up on achilles
daring hedge
it would be an easy pick for cast aspects if it didn't reduce the pickup range
and even then you can take it if you want
hallow cave
Oh tail btw since ur here is ur highest achilles clear 52
daring hedge
yee
hallow cave
Is that the record for achilles
mossy zinc
I also just throw all my Casts at a boss while they phase to drop them right there.
Unless I want the damage from the Cast itself.
hallow cave
I tried using lightning rod today and it felt inconvenient to pick up in asphodel
daring hedge
i'm actually not sure currently, since that was back in march and it may have been raised by now
jaunty falcon
If you don't think about using it, lightning rod is good
hallow cave
Damn
mossy zinc
Also, Lightning Rod is an instant pick-up for me on Hera. You gotta get used to it, though. In bad rooms it can slow you down a bit, but the DPS gain overall is worth it.
hallow cave
I got pretty far on 50 today I can feel the improvement
waxen relic
Is that the record for achilles
Spreadsheet has 53 from Retrash.
hallow cave
Damn
hallow cave
Wil have to do 54 next then 
mossy zinc
Leaderboard has all the aspect WRs on the Player & Weapons sheet.
hallow cave
And judging that the pacts left are RI and AP I'm gonna have to reset more than ever
honest kernel
these r pretty nasty yeah
mossy zinc
Do you use Hell mode for PL?
hallow cave
Nope
mossy zinc
Wil have to do 54 next then <:PES_SadGe:814280618959568896>
If you do 54, I'll have to do 55 to be #1 again. 
hallow cave
Thats not cool
mossy zinc
Just stick to 50 please.
jaunty falcon
I'll stick with 40 heat Achilles lol
devout quiver
I can't remember the last time I was even offered lightning rod
jaunty falcon
Phalanx shot ftw
hallow cave
40 still allows crutch huntinh blades
If I had the patience to reset for hunting blades 50 would be easy too
jaunty falcon
Hunting blades with AP2 sounds like a nightmare
mossy zinc
Y'all not ready for when I come back from my getting-hell-mode-bounties training arc.
hallow cave
Yep 
mossy zinc
M not even ready myself.
hallow cave
As I will have to take out dc2 for that
Or I can reset even more for zeus attack while starting w ares
Or vice versa
hallow cave
I said if I dont take out dc2
jaunty falcon
Ah
hallow cave
Dc2 w hunting blades is like
Big time loss
For asphodel
Slamdancers will juke u out so hard
mossy zinc
Blood-Filled Vial start sounds decent. Everything does damage except Special, really.
hallow cave
I still cant decide whether athena dash is better for hunting blades or tidal
Dude I am so trash at the game but if I am good at one thing its using my special I will line those bad boys up so neat
mossy zinc
Blade Dash should be good. Helps with DC2 problems.
jaunty falcon
And it's also good because you are gonna want engulfing vortex anyway
waxen relic
Aiming for a specific Dash seems a bit much on top of all the other stuff.
hallow cave
Aiming for a specific Dash seems a bit much on top of all the other stuff.
Its not a priority I am simply just getting ready for all possibilities
mossy zinc
At that point, I'd just do seeded, personally.
Which is why I don't do AP2 Guan Yu. You're just resetting for Charged Skewer or deluding yourself into thinking the other hammers can be good enough and are worth having only 50% HP.
hallow cave
But then its seeded
narrow carbon
If you don’t care about appearing on a specific leaderboard, then seeded vs unseeded (with resets) is not an important distinction at high heat (unless you’re routing)
mossy zinc
But then its seeded
Which is why I don't do aspects like that with AP2, yeah.
hallow cave
If you don’t care about appearing on a specific leaderboard, then seeded vs unse...
I do care
Need smth to waste summer on and it happens to be beat achilles record atm
jaunty falcon
I didn't do my high heat runs unseeded until 50 heat lol
nocturne stag
What is this seeded thing?
jaunty falcon
Seeded is when you choose what the first room reward is
So you might seed for epic drunken strike, which would allow you to keep pom blossom in Tartarus
But some leaderboards don't allow seeded runs
narrow carbon
If you select the Give Up menu option, you’ll keep the same starting boon/hammer selection. “Seed” is a random number from which all other random numbers in the run are generated
There are also game mods (modifications) to allow you to select your starting seed
nocturne stag
People mod Hades? Neat
mossy zinc
Yeah. The Hades Modding server is pinned in #self-promotion.
agile crane
Aiming for a specific Dash seems a bit much on top of all the other stuff.
Splash Dash is goated
ivory plank
hello
mossy zinc
Hi.
ivory plank
I’ve been using Demeter fists with Athena keepsake to get divine dash in Tartarus
heavily based off of a 32 heat guide by u/ricepilaf
I make it out of Tartarus with about a minute left, asphodel with about 3 minutes left, and then ran out of time for the boss fight
mossy zinc
Can you link that guide? And what's the full pact?
ivory plank
I’ve only made a couple attempts though so definitely subject to improvement
ivory plank
JS3 EM3 DC2, no wonder you're timing out with TD3.
oof yeah that’s definitely it, I just don’t know how I make up for the heat by changing it around
shy plinth
This is the pact I prefer, you can go heavier on hl if you want to ease up on FO
Nyaanyaa uses HL5 instead
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn```I wouldn't go EM3 + FO2 on Malphon. Well, I would, but I wouldn't recommend it for new players on Malphon.
shy plinth
The balance between FO and HL is entirely up to you as a player
CF can fill in the gaps
ivory plank
Is there a different weapon that’s more optimized for 32 heat as a beginner than malphon?
shy plinth
I think demeter fists merciful end is pretty beginner friendly
But Eris is probably the answer
Depends on your comfort level with each weapon too
ivory plank
does leveling up Eris make a difference? I thought it was crap but it’s only at level 1 so far
mossy zinc
Excalibur, Hestia, Eris, and Beowulf are all pretty easy for a first 32 Heat.
ivory plank
Depends on your comfort level with each weapon too
I got pretty comfortable with Arthur, Chiron, and Demeter aspects
mossy zinc
Oh right. Chiron is easy, too, at 32.
Eris is absolutely ridiculous at Lv.5. You get +75% global damage practically all of the time.
shy plinth
Yeah