h1-high-heat-strategies

[shy plinth]

But people turn it on when they're learning heat because it's not a combat modifier so people don't feel like they die to it

[wintry berry]

at least when you turn on RI

[shy plinth]

When you turn up HL you really notice when you get hit, but when you have CF2 on it's hard to connect a weak build to the lost opportunity in mid-shops

[next acorn]

ic

[quartz mantle]

I literally did my first 50 heat run with CF0

Turning on AP1 before I turn on CF1 baby

[honest kernel]

im used to play on cf2 so I never rly cared

I think it starts getting more value on cast builds

[gaunt fiber]

yeah CF does not hit every aspect in the same way

[mossy zinc]

Just skip shops.

[hallow cave]

I finally beat heat 13-16 with the advice, thanks guys c:

what to do most people do at this point; jump to 32 or steadily get to it?

[shy plinth]

This channel will be biased towards the jump

I did the creep

[gaunt fiber]

I did the 20-32 jump

It can be hard depending of the pact but you'll find some good infos in pinned messages

anyway it's gonna be hard, and that's perfectly normal

[hallow cave]

its ok if its hard lol this game has me extremely hooked I've put in about 80 hours this past week

[neat sonnet]

I did the ~16 to 32 jump, then I magically forgot to play the game for two months

[waxen relic]

Thats more than 10 hrs per day. Don't burn yourself out.

[unique zephyr]

I did the 16 to 32 jump, and seconding atticor on the burning yourself out thing

[honest kernel]

I did 20 to 32 iirc

maybe 28

?

the best way to go at it probably is to look at the pacts you want to use on 32

and make sure you can play with them

for example practice going fast for td3, or learn new enemy timings on fo2

[spice lava]

A lot of things are possible until 32-40 and past that point you end up using the parts of the pact you tried to avoid the most 👀

[mossy zinc]

You mean you finally get to use all the pacts you've always wanted to combine!

I think for new players, it's best to finish your bounties with at least one weapon before you try your first 32+.

From 16 to 20 is just 4 runs. At a decent pace, you're looking at maybe 30m per run.

If you're doing TD3.

Which, ideally, you should be practicing if you want to do high heat. It will help a lot.

Finishing your bounties will give you some practice to get the basics down with the weapon and more experience with different pacts and different builds and how to optimize them a bit.

The exception is if you're genuinely bored doing that after like 16 Heat because it's too easy. Then, you just bump it up until the challenge feels fun again.

Well... I suppose if you take 20m IGT, it's maybe more like 40m? Still not too much, though. Can finish those in one or two days, and you'll have more experience and feel more confident for it.

Plus for me, it just felt nice having finished my bounties with my first weapon.

[shy plinth]

Yeah

I did the first 20 heat one at a time on all six

Just followed the thirst

That might be excessively slow but it really made the pacts easier to digest

Some of them are bigger jumps of course, in particular forced overtime

And most people tend to adapt to LC in a 4-heat jump too

[mossy zinc]

I turned on FO2 very early in my Malphon grind and just kept it on.

[shy plinth]

Not everyone has your talent Nyaanyaa

But yes in retrospect that was wise

[mossy zinc]

Talent? I think it was a lot of just perseverance and abusing Divine Strike lol.

I did the same build every time, just looking to optimize it more and more.

And Malphon imo deals much better with FO2 than a lot of other aspects.

Since you stunlock most enemies quickly.

And when you don't, you were point-blank and would have probably been hit whether it was FO0 or FO2 anyway lol.

[shy plinth]

Perseverance is a skill

But also a lot of people just can't really adapt to FO2 quickly or at all

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm. Actually, I do have very good reactions.

I think most players nowadays don't really have distinct playstyles anymore like it was in Early Access, but back then, I always noticed I rely a lot more on my reactions than other players.

Sometimes to my own detriment lol.

[shy plinth]

But it works out

Youthful reflexes

[spice lava]

You sound "old" Hat 👀

[shy plinth]

I am in my mid 30s

Which in many gamer circles is quite an advanced age

[spice lava]

I started speedrunning at 26 which is very late in the speedrun circle

Now I'm almost 32

[shy plinth]

Ah so we are in a similar boat

Hopefully not the barge

[honest kernel]

👴

[mossy zinc]

How would you know? I've never shared my age here.

[shy plinth]

Intuition

[spice lava]

I assume I'm lucky to have some reflexes left that are "High heat" enough

[mossy zinc]

'Tis rude to assume a lady's age, mister.

[mossy zinc]

There are better players with worse reaction speed than mine. It's just one factor among many!

[spice lava]

I'm not doing any comparison at all with you or other players. Just pointing that as long as my reflexes are FO2 enough, I can keep going High Heat at 50+

I'm fighting the game, not people 👀

[true fable]

to be honest i dont think my reaction time is good enough for some FO2 animations

just gotta be mindful of that and plan ahead

[shy plinth]

Yeah people have asked me in the past what to do about fo2 spears

"don't be in front of them"

[true fable]

like

FO2 speeder wasnt made for you to react

just gotta predict

[shy plinth]

Yeah

[gaunt fiber]

I react

with death

[mossy zinc]

It was, though.

[mossy zinc]

Err.. this is the high heat channel.

[gaunt fiber]

Just play the shield then, the dark thirst bonus is not that relevant

[dusty meadow]

Oops

[dim bear]

i need help for 32 heat

[gaunt fiber]

Pinned message will help you for the pact, there's even an explained vid if you need. Why do you think you're struggling?

[dim bear]

i did my first try today with aurther blade ...... i went up to elysium and died there😆

its quite fun and hard

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah Arthur will have a bad time at higher heats, you'd want to avoid DC at any cost. FO is hard to get used to, but it's worth it

[mossy zinc]

DC and FO are both very much not worth it on Excalibur at 32 if you just want to get the clear.

[shy plinth]

What heat are you used to

[royal kestrel]

1

[shy plinth]

I should have used a reply to tag Raizen I guess

But if you're used to 1 heat then this channel will probably be bewildering

We'll answer questions but #h1-builds-and-combat is probs a better starting point

[honest kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/858601555891322890/unknown.png

I ran out of time im so sad

im just gonna say explosive shot dmg does not make up for not being able to powershot

unless you got triple or point blank to back that up

[mossy zinc]

I see why you didn't make it.

You had no .

I've had no plans to do 56 anytime soon, so please don't be in a rush.

[honest kernel]

3-sack didnt help either but I was pretty slow already

[wanton plover]

rip

[gaunt fiber]

@yajijy

Oof

[devout quiver]

Took tooth into Elysium on 32 Chiron. Ended up not using it :0

https://i.imgur.com/yxcXdMT.png

I guess I was due to get owned by sac rng

4 sac, so i walked in to dad with 40 seconds

Crazy thing is that I nearly phased the second half of the fight

If I had like another 20-30 seconds I would've made it i think X)

[solar maple]

you'll get it in no time!

[wanton plover]

good luck next time

[magic pier]

You've got this!!

[tidal flame]

[amber pebble]

I'm playing an infernal mode playthrough

Because it's not a 100% if it it's not on the hardest difficulty

Any tips

[waxen relic]

do you mean Hellmode or what?

[amber pebble]

Hell mode yes I call it infernal mode because spelling is hard

[waxen relic]

All it does is forcing you to take a few specific difficulty modifiers and one small extra one. It's still the same game overall.

In terms of hardest difficulty.. just don't.

[icy sail]

just started 32 heat runs. lmao i can't seem to heal enough with SD

[honest kernel]

if ur talking about 64 heat yeah good luck lmao, hellmode itself isnt so bad if youre used to a bit of heat

[waxen relic]

Takes a while getting used to.

[honest kernel]

sd only gives you about 30% health iirc

across the board you'll have more health over the course of a run but you'll have to play on low health a lot

[icy sail]

yeah. was just getting a taster of it

[mossy zinc]

30% rounded to the nearest integer.

[honest kernel]

I didnt do 32 with SD you dont have to do it if you dont like it at all

SD is also better if you die in rooms a lot rather than on bosses

[icy sail]

i do die in rooms, and also need to think of strategically dying so I get a bit more health for the next room

well I'll keep trying, we all get there

[honest kernel]

I value exploding pots a lot because they let you nuke yourself after an encounter too

but yeah getting used to use your sd on the last few enemies anyway is a good idea

[icy sail]

thanks

[mossy zinc]

Remember that Centaur Hearts still give you +25 HP, and Darkness rewards also give you some HP.

Try to get to the Furies without losing SD at all, and ideally, past the Furies without losing SD.

That will give you more HP going into fight. Even if you lose SD early, try to get your HP back to over 30% and don't lose another.

Touches of Styx are very cheap and always worth buying. They last for 15 encounters. So make sure you check Wells.

[honest kernel]

im often going for centaur heart instead of shop if its aviable before furies so I can have more health for them

[heady olive]

hm i always take mid shop but thats for higher heat

i take boons > hearts > poms > money

if u can do furies with 30% hp and sd i think ur basically set

[true fable]

i always take the opposite reward from endshop unless i can buy a ton of stuff

free stuff is good

[heady olive]

yea ikr

if u take mid shop anyway theres no point taking end shop since u wont have enough money

thats how ive ended up with 700 gold at elysium sometimes

[mossy zinc]

I'll take a gold laurel reward over mid-shop more often than not at high heat.

[heady olive]

ive timed out too many times to do that

[mossy zinc]

Practice.

[heady olive]

noo :(

[mossy zinc]

Yess.

[solar scroll]

Become proficient

[honest kernel]

I didnt mean mid shop I meant end shop

[tidal flame]

highest chamber count run

pray to rng you get chaos pre shop

[quartz mantle]

sounds like someone is running Convenience Fee

[next acorn]

what do you run to avoid CF

[quartz mantle]

Everything and anything

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/782785382244155414/840060406940565514/unknown.png?width=838&height=473

Case in point

[next acorn]

CP2 before RI1?

[quartz mantle]

Beo moment

[next acorn]

Is that not really bad with TD3?

[quartz mantle]

Beo is nuts

Passion flare has lots of damage, running Ruthless Reflex gives you 50% damage buff almost always

PS with Snow Burst is also very good

This run nearly timed out in Tartarus but the rest of the run time was fine

[jaunty falcon]

Is it not better to shoot for mirage

[quartz mantle]

You can but you don't need to

Mirage is overkill honestly

Passion Flare + Snow Burst is already really good

At that point it's better to go for defensive boons like Athena ones

[jaunty falcon]

I should probably try beo at high heat

[quartz mantle]

Beo is a very good high heat weapon

[jaunty falcon]

I'm just so bad with it

Should probably practice

[quartz mantle]

It's one of the 3 weapons that have been recorded doing 60 heat

granted ykc is mentally insane at the game but still

[next acorn]

Beo, Rama, and what else

[jaunty falcon]

Oh yeah, low 10 minute 50 heat is insane

[jaunty falcon]

Eris I think? Not sure tho

[quartz mantle]

Eris by Retrash

it was seeded for drunken strike but who cares

[next acorn]

ooooooh it was seeded

[quartz mantle]

yea

[jaunty falcon]

Drunken strike unironically good

[next acorn]

why not just reset if its at the very start?

[quartz mantle]

That's boring and not fun

Seeding = more runs

with AP2 resetting for one specific boon/hammer is awful

[jaunty falcon]

Also you get guaranteed epic which is nice

[quartz mantle]

mhm

[next acorn]

Is Baj's 64 heat run still up anywhere?

[quartz mantle]

It's on Bilibili

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Mf4y1p7t2?from=search&seid=10397843095303688194

[next acorn]

ty

[quartz mantle]

@mossy zinc is it possible to replace the youtube link for Baj's run with this one on the leaderboard?

[mossy zinc]

@quartz mantle it's possible, but Baj chose to delete the video he linked in the submission. Whether to replace the link is his decision to make, not mine.

[quartz mantle]

In the speedrunning server he said he regretted deleting the video so I think it's safe to assume he's ok with people seeing it

[mossy zinc]

I don't change anyone's entries based on assumptions.

[quartz mantle]

That's fair ig

[true fable]

mirage is just so good though

straight 2x bonus on casts

[jaunty falcon]

Force Athena or Poseidon? I am doing beo passion flare 40 heat and I have Artemis, aphro and Demeter in my pool. I already have snow burst and deadly strike

[true fable]

could force either

athena gives your runs more leeway

[jaunty falcon]

I forgot to change keepsakes LOL

Ah well, guess it's up to fate

[quartz mantle]

Yea but Snow Burst is one boon and Mirage takes 3

[true fable]

yeah but those 3 boons are also pretty useful

[quartz mantle]

I'm not discrediting Mirage but Snow Burst is more consistent imo

true

But you're pretty much banking on getting one of them without forcing

[next acorn]

but if you do get one of them why not force the other?

[solar maple]

did someone say beo snow burst?

snow burst good

that is all

[solar maple]

my 56 heat beo pact is RI0 everything else maxed lol

still need to clear that though

ri0 comfy

[next acorn]

true

ig getting rid of DF erases the point of CF0 anyways

[heady olive]

u take em4

i should try beo sometime

[next acorn]

Beo fun

[gaunt fiber]

Escapen't

[heady olive]

is there any way to charge the dragon rush thing faster?

[gaunt fiber]

You have the hammer sudden rush

[heady olive]

also not sure whether its better to full charge it or just use it immediately lol

oh

[gaunt fiber]

Otherwise I do : dash strike > rush > load while rushing (2 stones) > dash strike repeat with one stone

And you try to rush / dash through your stones to pick them up and go again

[heady olive]

ic ic

[gaunt fiber]

It's a good way to manage your casts and avoid empty rushing

[heady olive]

thanks

[solar maple]

don't fully charge it

well for dps

[heady olive]

okay

[solar maple]

it does the same damage at min charge and max charge

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah good piece of advice

[solar maple]

so only charge if you need to block or the spot you want your casts is in a scary spot that you can't dash to

or you just have some spare time between waves sometimes it's ok but not needed

[heady olive]

mm

btw i didnt know u could load casts in while charging until it was mentioned here

no wonder it felt weaker when i was using it

[solar maple]

yeah you can load at any time

pretty much

[fluid grove]

is there a reference table on the double letter + digit codes for the uninitiated?

ri0, cf0, df, beo etc

[heady olive]

check the pinned messages

but i have no idea what df is lol

[mossy zinc]

Dark Foresight.

[heady olive]

oh thanks

[next acorn]

Beo is short for Beowulf (hidden shield aspect) the rest of those are heat conditions

[halcyon flame]

get owned.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/859463390644666398/Hades_341.png

[mossy zinc]

Nice super 7.

Super is better than sub, as we all know.

That's why it's Superman and not Subman.

[halcyon flame]

[gaunt fiber]

Bootleg clockets

[pseudo kernel]

It's better because there's no -30% damage

[waxen relic]

well what if i told you that the -30% doesn't work on the rockets..

[pseudo kernel]

Fake news

[lucid wave]

what's the highest heat again?

[pseudo kernel]

highest heat cleared?

60 i believe

max heat in hades is 64

[honest kernel]

61 seeded I think

[shy plinth]

Highest cleared is 64 routed

[mossy zinc]

60 unseeded, 64 seeded.

[honest kernel]

routed and seeded isnt the same thing imo 🤨

[mossy zinc]

Well, they're on the same leaderboard anyway.

[next acorn]

a seed is just room one right?

[mossy zinc]

They're not the same, but you can't make a clear distinction for the leaderboard really unless you require a mod for seeded.

[lucid wave]

thanks y'all

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah in general you seed a boon or hammer, maybe a chaos or the room after but that's it

[hallow cave]

whats the best spread for 40 ?

[honest kernel]

I usually take HL5, LC4, CF2, JS1, EM3, MM, UC, BP2, FO2, TD3, HS

pact varies depending on weapon

[narrow carbon]

I usually take CP1 and PL (hell mode) so that I can run CF0

[mossy zinc]

What aspect are you using?

[hallow cave]

Achilles and Rama, eventually beowulf

Leaning more on achilles

[narrow carbon]

Rama can handle DC2 to take points off another pact

[hallow cave]

[mossy zinc]

HL5 LC4 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS DC2 TD3.

For Rama.

JS2 CP1 DC0 instead for Achilles, I'd say.

[hallow cave]

Thanks nyaanyaa I used ur spread when I did 32 a couple times for the first time today and managed to do it first try c:

[mossy zinc]

Nice! Congratulations!

40 is essentially gonna be that but with FO2.

[quartz mantle]

CF2 🤮

[mossy zinc]

CF2 is fine if your aspect is not greedy for boons.

[hallow cave]

Yeah I just felt as though other than the first 20 seconds of theseus nothing felt that hard

So thought might just crank the heat

[quartz mantle]

But what if I am the one greedy for boons

[mossy zinc]

Just skip mid-shop for free gold laurel rewards when possible.

[hallow cave]

Boons

[mossy zinc]

And end-of-biome shop, too.

[quartz mantle]

Skip mid-shop and time out in Tartarus

the perfect plan

[mossy zinc]

Why would you time out in Tartarus at 40?

[quartz mantle]

Maybe not at 40 if you're not running any JS/CP or running TD2

Or if you are simply better at the video game I guess

[hallow cave]

I have a bad habit of not using battie enough, should I use it on all chonky health minibosses?

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm pretty much just minibosses and bosses, yeah.

Save one for Hades but don't go out of your way saving one for the Temple of Styx.

But if you have 2 going into the Temple, that's good.

[hallow cave]

I saw a lineup for the witches in asphodel but I couldn't find the video so I forgot how to do it :(

[mossy zinc]

Don't waste a summon on Lernie unless it's last phase and you're literally one hit from dying.

[hallow cave]

I don't use it on lernie usually yee

[mossy zinc]

If you enter Witches from the left side, hug the left wall until the urns in the little < corner there. Tap up on your d-pad, wait for top-right Witch to appear on your screen (should be the 4th on your screen), the summon. She'll hit three every time.

Never really bothered studying any 4-Witch Meg summons.

It's good for speedrunning, but you genuinely don't need it for high heat.

Tailesque doesn't summon on Witches at all on high heat.

[hallow cave]

I'm not tailesque though

[mossy zinc]

Point is that speedrun and high heat are different mindsets.

Speedruns you want to be as fast as possible no matter the risk. High heat, you just wanna win the run.

[hallow cave]

But yeah thanks for the advice I only struggle with witches when no athena while using achilles

[jaunty falcon]

Do what I do here: http://imgur.com/gallery/4pXZpCl

[hallow cave]

I try to do a bit of both oops

[jaunty falcon]

You should be standing near the bubble of lava

[hallow cave]

Niceee thanks

[mossy zinc]

I'll take every mid-shop in speedruns. I'll skip mid-shop more often than not at high heat to maximize the value I get out of every room.

Trials are also amazing value.

[hallow cave]

Trials are weird for me I either do them in a breeze or get stuck for way too long

Sometimes a god feels easy sometimes they are unbearable, though a rule of thumb I've come to is avoid aphrodite's one because dodging the hearts is hell

[quartz mantle]

Athena Trials are usually pretty good since she doesn't mess you up too much

[hallow cave]

yeah, athena has only been tough for me when it's against the shield folks in elysium

takes too long

[mossy zinc]

That's not a rule of thumb, it's actually a law of the universe that not taking Lady Aphrodite's boon first makes you pure evil.

[hallow cave]

[mossy zinc]

I'll have you fed to my sacred crocodiles if I ever see you do that. But of course, you wouldn't do that because you have a good heart.

[hallow cave]

yeah aphrodite is probably my tied favourite with artemis

[mossy zinc]

Tied???

[hallow cave]

[mossy zinc]

[pseudo kernel]

Nice

I've done it many times but I'm still waiting for the crocodiles to eat me

[next acorn]

Same

I guess I’m cursed to be eternally single now

[devout quiver]

hermit time

I'll make room in my hermit hut for you all

[next acorn]

Dusa pfps together strong

[halcyon flame]

i hate that the 32 heat guide in pins tells you to take cf2

i also hate that it's actually kinda right

[honest kernel]

its free 😏

[jaunty falcon]

Unpopular take: I don't use any hard labour at 32 heat

[next acorn]

CF0 is Cozy Fee Zero

[mossy zinc]

I don't think it's unpopular. The most successful 32 Heat pacts for new players, in my experience, are HL5 FO0 and HL0 FO2.

[narrow carbon]

Yeah, I learned FO2 for 32, then HL5 for 40 - but no reason not to go the other way around

[cunning field]

so the deal with 32 is getting on that pinned leaderboard, or what?

[quartz mantle]

32 gives you the 3rd and last Skelly statue

it's also what the community deems as "high heat"

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/XJ0FDBz

reversiful end Rama

[narrow carbon]

Nice build! RI0 AP1 stonks 📈

[honest kernel]

insane

[neat sonnet]

poggies from Astaos

you were close on the timer too

nice job

[mossy zinc]

Nice low heat Rama. Good job.

[gaunt fiber]

Elysium is the real game changer as usual

[pseudo kernel]

nice

[gaunt fiber]

I had some insane builds that got totally destroyed buy bruisers strongbows

Shouted to the slugger bruiser strongbows feat. Armored chariots room. A clean execution from the game. Nowhere to hide

[honest kernel]

[mossy zinc]

Gotta be strongerbow.

[honest kernel]

happend to me too I think

bows+chariots yike

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it's a perfect combo against Rama

At my skill level at least

I think I can grind higher

[mossy zinc]

There's worse than armored strongbows: unarmored strongbows.

[gaunt fiber]

Unarmored get one shot

Not a problem

[mossy zinc]

My strategy for strongbows and chariots at 51+ is I just get +3 dashes.

One day, I'll have a 50+ clear without Greatest Reflex.

One day.

Without Epic Greatest Reflex, that is.

I'll still take the rare one.

[warm notch]

does anyone have any tips for clearing 32 with rama? i’ve been trying to, but it doesn’t work out the way i want it to

[mossy zinc]

What's killing you?

Lucky for you, there are two of the best Rama players in chat right now.

And Astaos.

[gaunt fiber]

At 32, I think you'll need general knowledge of the aspect. Always seek an opportunity to power shot, but you don't have to go for it if it's gonna kill you.

Don't hesitate to tag multiple enemies even if you feel like you're wasting time. A well adjusted power shot through foes is a fantastic clear

As always, Athena is your ally for the bonus DDs. I recommend deadly strike, it can snowball really hard with chaos and the right hammers (triple, twin, perfect shot)

I would say that the aspect rewards your knowledge

[warm notch]

ooh, i see! thank you so much, this has been really helpful

[shy plinth]

#1 tip for Rama: Watch tailesque vods

Helped me a ton

[gaunt fiber]

^

[mossy zinc]

Dash-Strike Power Shots, to be precise.

[narrow carbon]

My 32 Rama was Thunder Flourish + Static Discharge - I didn’t understand how Shared Suffering worked yet

[mossy zinc]

You don't really have to understand how Shared Suffering or anything works for 32.

Rama broken anyway.

[narrow carbon]

Oh, and Relentless Volley and Cold Fusion. Budget Eris really

[devout quiver]

Dang, turns out blanking on Patty makes Champs harder

[heady olive]

thats what happens if ur too greedy heh

[devout quiver]

i just didnt got offered hearts very much

i had like 240 hp or something at champs

[heady olive]

that should be enough

[bright mango]

Facts

My first 32 was with rama and no attack boon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826957258160209920/859994230947971122/image0.jpg

[honest kernel]

I prob also played special rama first

[devout quiver]

i definitely did special rama first.

and it was awful lol

so I didn't play Rama again for like 2 weeks

[heady olive]

special rama is best with dio imo

with low tolerance the dmg is really consistent

[vital grove]

It sure is.

It's very good at removing DC faster, though special just does that anyway

[gaunt fiber]

Tbh I really don't mind what special I get

Dio Ares Athena Demeter

Lot of options

[heady olive]

true true

[gaunt fiber]

Ares pretty sick with Tartarus ME ngl

[honest kernel]

dio is actually sick

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao

But yeah it's really powerful

Some people could even try special only who knows 👀

[mossy zinc]

Low Tolerance will do that to you.

@daring hedge they're doing it again.

[honest kernel]

[daring hedge]

[mossy zinc]

Hurray!

[vital grove]

I remember a 48 or so Rama run I did, had dio special and blackout

It was ludicrous

[mossy zinc]

No, it was Zagreus and Lord Dionysus. Some even say they're the same god.

[gaunt fiber]

Schad is unstoppable btw Tail

You may try to hammer him, it's too late

The revolution is strong

[daring hedge]

i'll stop the hammer when schad manages to streak 50 heat special rama

[narrow carbon]

Where’s the 50 heat attack Rama streak? 👀

[daring hedge]

on my twitch channel lol

up to 10

[narrow carbon]

Ooooh, Schad’s got some catching up

Wow, you didn’t even die after 10? Video ends with a clear

[daring hedge]

yeah, i just haven't continued further on the streak since hitting 10

copied the file so that streak is still active, while i can still do other things on the original file

[mossy zinc]

Schad hammered himself from this server.

[strange parrot]

What's rama?

[devout quiver]

the hidden aspect for the bow?

[warm dagger]

You know what an aspect is?

[strange parrot]

oh, I hate the bow

[devout quiver]

I used to hate the bow, but then I got used to dash striking with it

[strange parrot]

I'm not even close to high heat

But I think the strat I'm gonna try is aspect of eris and getting the rocket + 5x special hammer upgrade

One of the most broken combos in the game, as far as I know

[mossy zinc]

That's more of a gamble than a strategy, but Eris is top tier even with just one or neither of those hammers.

[strange parrot]

I've had it do like 1200+ damage in one hit, when I had like a heroic artemis special

[strange parrot]

I love eris, but if you get the combo ggez, I've had it like 3-4 times

[mossy zinc]

I mean you should still always try to get that, but you're just hoping for it.

[strange parrot]

I know, eris is still my favorite weapon

Tho I haven't done much experimenting yet

Only 35 hours, and 13 heat in

I've used stygius with the crit aspect and that was fun

and malphon with the giga cutter aspect

Can't remember their names

[mossy zinc]

Nemesis and Demeter.

[strange parrot]

Thank you

[mossy zinc]

Well, you can give high heat a try anytime you want if you're interested. Just gotta add some more Heat to the Pact.

[strange parrot]

I did

got halfway through elysium

Which is a lot farther than I expected

32 heat

[mossy zinc]

You'll want Tidal Dash on Eris, by the way.

[strange parrot]

Really? what's the benefit

I usually go athena

[mossy zinc]

Massive base damage, amazing pom scaling, amazing t2 boons.

[strange parrot]

so should I also get his call then?

His call is pretty damn strong

[mossy zinc]

It's not a priority.

[strange parrot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/860318900561772555/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

This was my last build

I usually go for similar boons, think that was my best tho

[mossy zinc]

I know, I saw that one. Hence my remark.

[strange parrot]

Ah okay, thanks

Anything I should change tho?
Usually go for high % specials, hoping for artemis but athena and demeter work too, if I get a high rarity

[mossy zinc]

Don't waste poms on Cast. Get Tidal Dash and pom that.

Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish are best. Divine and Frost can work too, yeah.

[strange parrot]

deadly is ares?

[mossy zinc]

Deadly is Lady Artemis.

[strange parrot]

ah

[mossy zinc]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

That's pretty much the best resource on Eris you can find.

[devout quiver]

cast is mostly for lodging against bosses, though I guess a cast build Eris could work

[warm dagger]

Did somebody mention Eris Sea Storm?

[mossy zinc]

Nope. Sea Storm isn't all that important to the build.

[strange parrot]

I do cast builds a lot, mainly trying to get artemis dislodge, hermes drop faster, and sometimes hermes legendary

[mossy zinc]

It's not like you go out of your way to avoid Sea Storm, but you don't go out of your way to get Sea Storm, either.

[strange parrot]

I go for whatever call i can get, I really like aphrodite, artemis, poisedon, and athena as a failsafe

"Get Zeus attack, Poseidon Dash, and a percentage damage special.
Start your run with Zeus keepsake, then switch to Poseidon in Asphodel, then Sigil for Elysium/Styx.
Don’t take any call except Zeus."

[devout quiver]

If you like Exit Wound builds, try playing posiden sword some.

[strange parrot]

Why zeus call?

[mossy zinc]

Because DPS.

[strange parrot]

Haven't gotten to that, I maxed out the crit sword

[strange parrot]

Is it a priority?

"Refresh your Eris buff as often as possible.
Use your special at the beginning of a room and when you reload.
Use your cast against armored enemies and bosses.
Use your Megaera summon at the start of mini-bosses and bosses fight.
Dash often and into enemies, play aggressively at melee range."

The special at the begining of the room thing

What do I do about the two crystal hearts?

Shoot first or still special 1st

[devout quiver]

or just dont play on Damage Control

[mossy zinc]

Just don't take DC2.

[strange parrot]

it's pretty free

on the rail, at least

[devout quiver]

everyone thinks its free at first

[mossy zinc]

You just explained why it's not.

[bright mango]

Crystal hearts?

[strange parrot]

damage control

[bright mango]

Oh ok

[devout quiver]

:O

[strange parrot]

I can't remember names lol

[strange parrot]

I mean, I'd rather that than extra damage or less healing, right?

wait I'll send you guys my 32 heat build

feel free to judge

[bright mango]

I mean for eris it’s fine

But there are alternatives

[mossy zinc]

It just slows you down on Eris.

[bright mango]

Like barely lol

It’s eris

[heady olive]

its quite free on eris isnt it

[mossy zinc]

Why take that when you can kill everything faster and be done with it?

[heady olive]

just 2 more hits

[devout quiver]

on 32 heat you're usually taking TD3 as well.
DC2 slows you down a lot

[bright mango]

I mean I wouldn’t take it

But it’s completely fine

[devout quiver]

which makes td3 a larger concern

[mossy zinc]

DC2 prevents you from one-shotting enemies with rockets etc.

TD3 shouldn't be a concern with Eris even if you took JS3 CP2 DC2 tbh.

It's more of a why take more time than necessary attitude, so I wouldn't take DC2.

[mossy zinc]

32 Heat meta is typically LC4 with Stubborn Defiance.

[strange parrot]

Oh god, I tried staying far away from LC

only played with one

[next acorn]

LC isn't as bad as it sounds

[bright mango]

^

[pseudo kernel]

Yeah

[heady olive]

in fact its easier since u get to take dmg every room :)

[strange parrot]

well guess I gotta unlock stubborn defience

[devout quiver]

Stubborn Defiance is insane sustain.

[pseudo kernel]

I made my 32 heat runs way harder than they should've been because I didn't take lc4

[devout quiver]

it just makes bosses harder

[mossy zinc]

Well, it's meta because it's most successful.

You can skip 4 Heat elsewhere.

[strange parrot]

I haven't gotten to EM thesseus or hades

[bright mango]

I don’t take lc4 anymore cus em4

[strange parrot]

both of em non EM are pretty easy tho

[bright mango]

At 32

[heady olive]

i find em3 easier since theres no spear aiming at u

[strange parrot]

I think I take more damage on thesseus than hades

[bright mango]

Excuse me

What

[devout quiver]

EM3 isn't too bad on LC4/SD
EM4 is :D

[heady olive]

how is it harder lol

[strange parrot]

well I'll try that tmrw

need to get SD

or after one run

need 100 darkness

[mossy zinc]

Turn on HL5 EM3 FO2 and say that again about EM3 lol.

[bright mango]

Like do you just ignore like a 500 pound cow running at you at the speed of light?

That hits like a truck

[next acorn]

if you don't get out of the spin quickly say goodbye to your SD

[heady olive]

i think ive already done that with 50 heat lol

[bright mango]

Spin is fine

[pseudo kernel]

Yeah I died to this a lot during my 40 heat runs

[mossy zinc]

Solo EM Asterius probably has one of the highest kill counts at high heat lol.

[bright mango]

^

[devout quiver]

FO2 Bull charge is scary

[heady olive]

idt asterius has any different moves right

[bright mango]

Biggest run killer imo

[heady olive]

hes just faster and the shockwaves are more annoying

[bright mango]

Yeah faster

[next acorn]

shockwaves pain

[heady olive]

but theseus is less annoying

[strange parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860334068104822794/unknown.png

[heady olive]

isnt he faster because of FO2

[next acorn]

can't dodge those for the life of me

[strange parrot]

How does this look (ignore the weapon)

[heady olive]

or does EM3 make him faster too

[devout quiver]

yeah, FO2

[next acorn]

EM4 fists not good, especially with CP

[heady olive]

dont take RI lool

[mossy zinc]

EM3 makes him a lot faster.

[heady olive]

take TD2

[heady olive]

oh i didnt know that

[strange parrot]

planning to go eris, ignore the weapon

[heady olive]

no wonder

[strange parrot]

what do I drop?

UC?

[devout quiver]

EM4

[heady olive]

whatt

drop EM4 lol

[mossy zinc]

HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3

Do that.

[devout quiver]

EM4 kills you very often

[heady olive]

ye pretty standard build

[devout quiver]

Its a fun fight, but its a very hard fight too

[mossy zinc]

I mean it's standard because everyone uses my pact.

[bright mango]

But the problem is theseus with the guns and rockets both take away your acorn really quickly(guns) and have area denial for less space to dodge asterius(rockets). He’s also a giant pain to kill because he’s like impossible to hit

[strange parrot]

I def can't do td3

[mossy zinc]

EM3 also has way more HP than otherwise.

[next acorn]

if you cant do TD3 FO1 could be good

[mossy zinc]

Well, that's something to practice. Also, taking off JS CP etc. will help a lot with speed.

[strange parrot]

How does this look?

[devout quiver]

I forget exactly, but I'm pretty sure my 32 pact right now is
HL1 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3

[strange parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860335130299072552/unknown.png

[heady olive]

imo when u get used to it the rockets or wtv r easier to dodge, but yea hes really hard to hit

[strange parrot]

So...

This?

[heady olive]

please remove RI

[bright mango]

M a big advocate for td2 pacts at every heat level so you don’t have to do td3

[next acorn]

RI is really not needed for 32

[pseudo kernel]

Take off ri and use uc

[next acorn]

and losing Dark Forsight is so bad

[strange parrot]

It is?

[mossy zinc]

RI1 is literally the worst 2 Heat you can take on the pact.

[bright mango]

It’s not about dodging them. It’s about the area denial

[heady olive]

u can stand in them

[bright mango]

Wat

[heady olive]

it takes a while to land doesnt it

[next acorn]

Imo its easy to lose track of then they land

[strange parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860335438580678656/unknown.png

So...

Honestly I'm way more scared of TD3 than anything else here

[unique zephyr]

I was scared of TD3 as well

[mossy zinc]

Dark Foresight is pretty broken. It changes the gold vs blue laurel ratio from 50/50 to 70/30. So while it says +20%, you're actually getting 40% more gold laurel rewards.

[unique zephyr]

For now don’t ever skip mid shops or free rooms in general

[mossy zinc]

You have by far the best weapon aspect for speed with Eris.

[unique zephyr]

And take chaos aggressively in Tartarus if the next room isn’t a free room

[devout quiver]

if you're that scared of TD3, I would try to add FO2 as well.
It makes enemies spawn faster, which helps a lot.

[next acorn]

Zeus attack can handle some JS pretty well bc of the chain lightning

[strange parrot]

Shop or hammer?

[bright mango]

I have like 200+ hrs in high heat (not much compared to some other people here), but they still are such a nuisance

[unique zephyr]

For now, shop if it’s first shop in biome, what’s your fastest clear time now?

[heady olive]

yea i guess thats true

[strange parrot]

idk guy I'm jumping in from 13 heat for the pure fun of it

[warm dagger]

Shop because boons equals damage.

[mossy zinc]

Mid-shop > NPC > Chaos > Miniboss > everything else.

[strange parrot]

Okay so

Start with zeus

[devout quiver]

Oh yeah, also

Pause when deciding what room to take

[strange parrot]

then what keepsake in asphodel?

[mossy zinc]

NPC > mid-shop in Asphodel and Elysium.

[devout quiver]

or when making a decision in general

[daring hedge]

and NPC > mid-shop in tart when you're dirt poor :')

[unique zephyr]

My highest heat was 16 before doing 32

[next acorn]

also patty touch of styx dark

[bright mango]

Mine was 10. Ur fine

[next acorn]

👌

[unique zephyr]

I was asking so that I had more of an idea of tips to give to save time

[next acorn]

so good

[mossy zinc]

Either Conch Shell for Tidal Dash or Owl Pendant for Divine Dash + DDs in Asphodel.

Then Acorn for the rest.

[strange parrot]

about 27 min avg Ig

[bright mango]

Eek

Td2

[heady olive]

its nice to window shop

[next acorn]

you could also just try to practice going fast first

[strange parrot]

So DD is okay? I much prefer dodging into attacks or is tidal a must have, I always go zeus attack

[daring hedge]

sometimes you just gotta listen to what charon has to say

[warm dagger]

Also shops at higher heats are good for a no damage room.

[unique zephyr]

She’s talking about the extra DD trick if you run SD

[mossy zinc]

Re speed, you could just do some quick runs with EM2 FO2 and no other pacts to get your speed up tbh.

Try the build in Lili's guide that I linked.

[strange parrot]

I'm gonna be honest, I don't understand half the things y'all are talking about

[mossy zinc]

https://youtu.be/z3Mmoo4oTKU

[warm dagger]

Pop your SD in an Athena room and take a DD boon from her

[mossy zinc]

This is a good video that covers the basics for how to be faster.

[strange parrot]

I don't get it

[next acorn]

Deathless stand and Last stand restore a DD if your missing one

[strange parrot]

OHHH

[devout quiver]

FO2 is just the default experience for me now lol.
playing without it makes everything feel so slow, like I've got matrix powers

[next acorn]

so if you lose stubborn defience then you get another DD and then your SD replenishes on top of that

[mossy zinc]

Lady Athena has two boons that can replenish a Death Defiance (DD). If you use SD and lose your SD before picking either of those boons, she will give you a DD and your SD also comes back in the next room like normal.

[strange parrot]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Okay so, start zeus

then athena

then acorn

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[next acorn]

tooth is good in Ely if your scared of normal rooms

[bright mango]

I wouldn’t

At 32

[strange parrot]

aight I need one run to get SD

[bright mango]

Acorn all the way

[strange parrot]

and I'll be back

wait is SD one level?

[bright mango]

Yeah

[next acorn]

yes its just one

[strange parrot]

aight bet

[mossy zinc]

You can reset your mirror, actually. It's just one key.

SD is cheaper than DDs, so getting your Darkness back should be enough.

[next acorn]

why no tooth in Ely though, some BP enemies can eb scary especially there

[mossy zinc]

What's your mirror, anyway? Can you link a screenshot?

[warm dagger]

Def acorn for elysium.

[mossy zinc]

Lucky Tooth in Elysium is fine.

[strange parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860338094662352906/unknown.png

Didn't get SD yet

[mossy zinc]

Meta is kinda split between Acorn and Tooth for Elysium, anyway.

[heady olive]

im a tooth person

[devout quiver]

for me, it depends on how much max HP i have in Elysium.

[mossy zinc]

Swap Infernal for Stygian Soul and DDs for SD. Rest is fine.

[heady olive]

its surprising how often i can lose a run even when im doing really well going into elysium

[strange parrot]

so no cast build?

I guess I had the strat for this all wrong

[mossy zinc]

Definitely not.

[heady olive]

eris is not a cast aspect lol

[next acorn]

it can be

but it shouldn't

[heady olive]

ye

[strange parrot]

first time I tried it, I maxed out enemies and enemey health but not their damage or my the no heal thingy

[devout quiver]

if tooth restores as much/more than my SD, I usually take tooth. Otherwise I take acorn (in elysium)

[strange parrot]

made it halfway into elysium

[bright mango]

Actually I think if you’re just starting out and don’t have much experience tooth it’s probably better bcs you don’t have much bp knowledge

[warm dagger]

Elysium is the tester though... A mentor of mine has said multiple times that Asterius mini boss is a really good litmus test for a build being "good" or not.

[bright mango]

So tooth can get you out of tough spots

[heady olive]

wouldnt u need 330 hp to take acorn then?

[strange parrot]

I genuinely feel like if I get past thessues, I can win

Hades is pretty damn easy

[bright mango]

I think the skill more than the build

[strange parrot]

both

[mossy zinc]

And who's that?

[heady olive]

^

[bright mango]

Skill 90% build 10%

[devout quiver]

300 HP.
I guess I should say "about as much"

70-80 hp SDs is where I'm comfortable

[heady olive]

i guess thats a huge amount lol, its quite safe at that point

im still scared tho

[devout quiver]

if my SDs are less than 70, I usually want tooth because I'm scared of dying to miniboss Asterius

current HP matters too, idk

[mossy zinc]

@strange parrot this might be a good run to look at. https://youtu.be/wP0UeFl1e9g

[next acorn]

the difference between asterius and butterfly is so big

[mossy zinc]

Obviously don't gotta beat the WR, but it gives you some idea for how to play the aspect.

[strange parrot]

Wait is the entire 32 heat meta speedrunning?

[heady olive]

i feel like current hp is kinda luck based

[devout quiver]

is it?
I mean, there's the luck of how many hearts you get offered.

[mossy zinc]

No lol. But speedruns show you optimal mechanics.

[devout quiver]

but if you just practice and get hit less, you're gonna have more current hp

[heady olive]

yea, sometimes i have 5 hp and want to sd but i end to taking no dmg :(

[mossy zinc]

Top players will speedrun 32 or not bother with 32 at all. Or maybe they do challenge/meme runs at 32. But most players just try to do 32 at all.

[heady olive]

i suppose with more thinking and less rushing u can deal with that

[mossy zinc]

I didn't give you a pact for speedruns.

That would be a lot harder to clear.

[devout quiver]

That's an important thing to practice, recognizing which wave is the last wave so you know when to take damage for SD

[heady olive]

on that point, is there a way to know when the last group of enemies are

or is it a guessing game

[devout quiver]

Zag usually says

but not always

like "this is the last of these louts" or something

[warm dagger]

RHat

[heady olive]

oo

[next acorn]

I lose SD to heal when theres another wave too much

[mossy zinc]

I honestly just know intuitively. Pretty sure it's always 3 waves max, sometimes a wave is staggered, but it's still just 3.

[strange parrot]

I see, I come from dead cells

[heady olive]

yay another dead cells player

[strange parrot]

you try to do everything as fast as possible but once you clear your malaise you just come back to shops

runs can take over an hour

[devout quiver]

yeah, the staggered waves screw with me some times.

[heady olive]

oh 3 waves ill try to rmb that

[next acorn]

whats a staggered wave

[heady olive]

i dont know lol i thought u knew

[devout quiver]

when the wave doesnt all spawn at once

[heady olive]

aite cool

asdflaskdjgadfg thats tough

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, like it spawns maybe 5 enemies, and when you kill 1 of them, it spawns another, etc. But it's still the same wave.

[devout quiver]

you'll get a feel for it as you play more

[heady olive]

yea there r so many areas

[mossy zinc]

I can't get into any roguelikes where runs take that long.

[next acorn]

whats your max run time

[devout quiver]

an hour is my upper limit for roguelikes

[zealous jackal]

my first bow run was uhhhhhhh 54 mins

[mossy zinc]

Hades is like the perfect sweet spot.

Anyway, I'd recommend you try a couple speedruns with Eris to get the hang of it just to get sub 20 times reliably, and then 32 shouldn't be too much of a problem.

[heady olive]

it does take around 1 hr, but faster players might go faster idk

[devout quiver]

STS was the roguelike i played a lot before coming to Hades and the runs in that game can easily take 1-2 hours, or even more if you build a really complicated deck.

So it was super draining to play multiple runs back to back

It was fun, dont get me wrong, but it just took a lot

[heady olive]

with more experience i think u learn how to play faster

since u think less on picking cards etc

[devout quiver]

Some of the most experienced players still take like and hour and half on average

[heady olive]

yea, im not sure if theyre going slow on purpose though

but they r probably trying to get the best possible wr%

[devout quiver]

yeah, the player i watch tries to maximize his win rate.

[heady olive]

most ppl do, well its good u can pause in between runs for these roguelites

[bright mango]

I was like the most casual gamer you’ll know before hades and then I started sweating real hard

I was like a mario/zelda guy

[devout quiver]

the "heat" equivalent for STS scales in a way that forces you to think a lot harder. A0 (lowest difficulty) is like half an hour or and hour once you're familiar with the game.
A20 (highest difficult) i what I was talking about above.

But I should prolly knock this off now, lol

[bright mango]

Sts?

[devout quiver]

Slay the Spire

[strange parrot]

@mossy zinc Sorry for the ping but were you the one who told me to get stygian soul? if yes, why?

[devout quiver]

Hermes offers you fewer junk boons

[heady olive]

yea lol

[mossy zinc]

And so do Lady Artemis and Lord Zeus.

[devout quiver]

ah, right

[next acorn]

also bad news is bugged so that its global damage instead of just cast damage for some reason if you want to go for that

which is Stygian exclusive

[devout quiver]

wait what

[next acorn]

yeah its weird

[devout quiver]

thats spicy

i should take plume to asphodel more often

[next acorn]

be quiet Amir cant find out

I just saw a speeruner doing that strat

[devout quiver]

ha

i mean, all's fair i guess

unless exploiting bugs is against the leader board rules

then

[next acorn]

I heard somewhere that they banned a chaos sheild bug in early acces where ME could prc multiple times

[devout quiver]

case by case makes sense

[next acorn]

also you cant to a glitch that pauses IGT

[devout quiver]

you also can't abuse the codex in Than rooms, iirc

[strange parrot]

holup lovely gamers

someone here told me to take stygian soul instead of infernal

why?

just asking

[devout quiver]

scroll up a few

we just answered that when you asked like 3 minutes ago

[unique zephyr]

One could argue no lightning rod and also one fewer bad Hermes boon

[next acorn]

R O D

[strange parrot]

oh my bad

[next acorn]

Rod is a sleeper boon ngl

[devout quiver]

iirc no exit wounds either?

or was it no Fully Loaded

[next acorn]

exit wounds still works

[strange parrot]

oh? junk boons? i love his cast boons

[devout quiver]

His cast boons are good, but only if you're actually like

a cast build

[mossy zinc]

You want Hyper Sprint first boon into Rush Delivery second, ideally.

Or Greatest Reflex.

[strange parrot]

okay

[mossy zinc]

You basically only wanna use your Cast on Eris for Boiling Blood here and there.

[strange parrot]

So what's a good weapon for a cast build

the poisedon sword

[mossy zinc]

Hera and Beowulf.

[unique zephyr]

Beowulf

[devout quiver]

Posiden Sword, Achilles Spear, Hera Bow, Beo Shield

[mossy zinc]

Optimal Poseidon build ironically isn't a Cast build lol.

Same for Achilles.

[devout quiver]

but apparently it is for Arthur!

[next acorn]

w h a t

[mossy zinc]

No, it's Merciful End for Excalibur, too.

[heady olive]

oops, all merciful end

[next acorn]

what else does Posiedon aspect have lol

[strange parrot]

So uh

[devout quiver]

I was just joking around. I remember hearing there's an Arthur cast build on one of the leaderboards or something

[strange parrot]

what's the point of posiedon then

[unique zephyr]

Cast build lets you clear with sword without having to know the sword moveset

It’s very hard to actually survive with sword in high heat

[devout quiver]

Well, its meant to be a caster build sword.
but ME is just kind of busted so its better than trying to run a cast build

[next acorn]

the less I have to use the actual sword the better

[unique zephyr]

ME is hard to put together is the issue

Also can be boring

Well, not hard to put together but more so very rng reliant on seeing the duo

I don’t feel the need to high roll that much for 32

Also I like God’s Pride

[devout quiver]

yeah and you're damage is kinda butts without ME too. Its really swingy

imo at least

[unique zephyr]

You also have to use Ares

Who has stinky boons if you aren’t doing ME

[mossy zinc]

The point of it is Cast builds, it's just Merciful End happens to be broken lol.

[next acorn]

I would not be surprised if Chaos sheild finnaly gets sub 7 by using ME lol

[devout quiver]

I really like Blade Dash w/ rift boons.
But, like, obv you cant do that if you're running for ME

Vicious Cycle w/ Blade Dash has carried a couple of my runs lol

[next acorn]

I saw a blade dash engulfing vortex with curse of drowning build once

looked really fun

[mossy zinc]

That's a hot take.

[strange parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860354093545816104/unknown.png

Help.

delta or piercing?

[shy plinth]

Is this a new file?

[unique zephyr]

Is doom actually good on its own or are you talking about blade dash and stuff?

[strange parrot]

35 hours in?

Is something off?

[heady olive]

delta is nice

[mossy zinc]

Doom is good.

[shy plinth]

You haven't finished prophecies and you're doing 32 heat

Little atypical

I don't know what weapon you're running but delta is the best one of those on eris

[strange parrot]

I like suffering

[shy plinth]

Alright

[mossy zinc]

Delta.

[strange parrot]

eris

thanks

[shy plinth]

Is your mirror maxed?

[strange parrot]

yes, except fated authority

the one that gives you boon rerolls

whatever that thing is called

[mossy zinc]

Persuasion.

[shy plinth]

Persuasion is the better one yeah

[strange parrot]

I didn't max the talents I don't use

[shy plinth]

As long as you're using dark foresight

[strange parrot]

20% boons, coin, etc?

yes

[shy plinth]

You kinda need both on the pride/legacy tier based on builds but you can do either or

[mossy zinc]

Yes, I checked their mirror before the run.

[shy plinth]

Word

[strange parrot]

I don't know memories

[strange parrot]

I decided to try it with infernal for now, I use cast a lot more than I thought I do

we'll see how it goes

[mossy zinc]

Well, that's dropping your DPS.

But good luck, anyway.

Using Casts that much, I mean.

Infernal or Stygian isn't a huge difference for what boons you get, anyway.

[strange parrot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/527247562160209940/860355920206364692/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

help

[mossy zinc]

That said, Stygian Soul lets you throw your Cast a lot.

Reroll.

[strange parrot]

what am I looking for?

[mossy zinc]

Hyper Sprint or Greatest Reflex.

[strange parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860356178310856794/unknown.png

Flourish?

[mossy zinc]

Hyper Sprint.

[strange parrot]

oh okay

[next acorn]

hyper sprint into rush delivery is very strong

[strange parrot]

oops

missed it

[mossy zinc]

Misclicked?

Oh well.

Epic Swift Flourish is still decent.

[strange parrot]

Didn't see it, I got it tho, I mean that you said it was good, but I didn't see it appear

that run was awesome

theseus and asterius were pretty easy

died to the damn clock on em

[mossy zinc]

You got to Theseus and Asterius and only died there to the timer?

Sounds like the timer isn't that much of a problem then.

[next acorn]

Are you pausing when making door decisions?

[strange parrot]

Yes

[strange parrot]

Yeah, got in there with 30 seconds remaining

Hey mewmew, something weird happened

I misclicked in patroculs' room

and got the death defiance thing

but next time I died

I didn't come back with 30%

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's the one you want.

[strange parrot]

I came back with like 65-70%?

eyeballing it

but something like that

[mossy zinc]

It gives +50% to your SD and DD healing.

[strange parrot]

ahhhh okay

I thought I misclicked

[honest kernel]

Just SD.

[mossy zinc]

So you get 80%.

[honest kernel]

It refills all empty DD slots.

[strange parrot]

I think I'm gonna try it again

but with FO 1 instead of TD 3

[mossy zinc]

No, Touch of Styx Dark applies to your DDs, too, if you have SD and got some DDs. That's what m saying.

FO1 is gonna be a lot worse. You'll get hit way more often.

[next acorn]

The only DD it doesn’t effect is skelly because that heals a set number not a %

[strange parrot]

Is that permanent or only for a few uses

[mossy zinc]

It's for 15 encounters.

[next acorn]

If you two sack you should have it during hades fight

[strange parrot]

I always two sack

[mossy zinc]

You can also buy Touches of Styx in Wells of Charon. Those add +10% healing.

[strange parrot]

gotcha, I mean, I'll try FO1 for one run, let's see what happens

[mellow condor]

i think I'm ready to start climbing to 32 heat, out of zeus shield, secret shield, hera bow, or secret rail, which would you say is probably the easiest to get the clear?

[mossy zinc]

Whichever one you're most comfortable with.

[strange parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860365664564805652/unknown.png

[mossy zinc]

Key for rerolls.

[strange parrot]

idc about outside the run stuff, what's better during the run

gotcha

mewmew, if I win a fight without using SD

before a boss

or mini boss

is it smart to suicide

for extra health

cuz I was just on 1 hp, so i died to magma for the SD

[mossy zinc]

Sure, if you're down below 30% HP.

[strange parrot]

okay ty

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527247562160209940/860366252617891870/unknown.png

[mossy zinc]

Hyper Sprint.

Rare or Epic Greatest Reflex > any Hyper Sprint > common Greatest Reflex.

If it's the first boon from him.

[bright mango]

Sprint for sure

[mellow condor]

i'll try secret shield to climb with... slowly becoming one of my favorite weapons

[devout quiver]

one day i'll get heroic reflexes on Gilgamesh

and it will be a good day

[autumn ginkgo]

at what heat level should you start using stubborn over death definance?

[honest kernel]

when you use lc4

[autumn ginkgo]

so like 40+ heat?

[cunning field]

is the stubborn defiance heal not affected?

because it isn’t a “heal” and instead sets you to x%?

[waxen relic]

if it was you'd die after any defiance was used

[gaunt fiber]

most 32 pacts use it

[cunning field]

doesn’t mean it doesn’t work like that, technically :)