Especially with AP1
#h1-high-heat-strategies
bronze viper
Lol, pretty necessary first step for every aspect is "Can I play this aspect well."
Baby steps :3
eager vortex
I already know the answer to dat
eternal hare
AP1 is still pretty mean
out of like 20 attempts yesterday I had only a single passable hammer combo out of elysium
bronze viper
Yeah, the 40 practice save I have has Triple Point Blank. It's a bit dumb, even with CP2. Jolted + Double Strike on special with Rip Current... helped. Got it in one shot.
eager vortex
cp2 on em4 is ... no
tall hedge
how do you do fellow high heat players
bright mango
but I will make history as the first person to clear 50 with FO1 and TD2
honest kernel
I respect it
bronze viper
how do you do fellow high heat players
Doing quite well thanks for asking.
bright mango
atleast
tall hedge
good good
mossy zinc
but I will make history as the first person to clear 50 with FO1 and TD2
Hey @daring hedge, Pengy787 wants to race you for who can clear 50 Heat FO1 TD2 first.
bright mango
WAIT NO
bronze viper
You got this
honest kernel
real gaming hours now
bronze viper
He's just a space fox. They only have 4 fingers
spice lava
@bright mango Why FO1 TD2 when you can do FO0? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831148717687701504/831326458412269568/unknown.png
mossy zinc
Well, you could still be the first to do it with FO1 TD2.
eternal hare
I expect nothing less from cursed pact specialist
spice lava
you might have a chance with Hades being the slowest possible 😏
eager vortex
oki
bronze viper
Otherwise it's good
eager vortex
I am not gonna use cp2 on 45 lol
eager vortex
td3 is trap
bright mango
and it barely matters on rama lol
eager vortex
td2*
bright mango
*as long as you get a decent hammer
eager vortex
I'ma seed twin shot
bronze viper
Definitely then
bronze viper
At 45 with that pact you can even go Dio start for Drunken Flourish and look for a damage call or something lol
mossy zinc
@solemn pulsar if Rama is so hard, then why does Rama have the second most submissions on the high heat leaderboard after only Hestia? Checkmate, winged air-sea creature.
eager vortex
I usually go arty start
bronze viper
That's better, for sure
lol, I was saying you could do Dio start with very good consistency
solemn pulsar
<@!334853357871169536> if Rama is so hard, then why does Rama have the second mo...
i removed outliers
aka a fox
bright mango
Dio special is probably my favorite on rama bcs if I'm about to die, I can just hide in a corner and let the hangover do its thing
solemn pulsar
to be fair i also removed all the people with 0 submissions
bronze viper
It opens your call slot and scales really well with poms. As people mentioned before, poms notoriously megastank on Rama
honest kernel
I love dio start but I guess arty is better....
mossy zinc
I've been liking Triple Shot over Twin Shot on Hera not just for the boss damage but also for the range when not shotgunning.
bronze viper
Dio Rama is ❤️
bright mango
oh yeah on hera, triple > twin
mossy zinc
Might start taking it over Twin Shot on Rama, too.
bright mango
I don't like losing out on the range
honest kernel
its def easier to get AP trolled by dio
bronze viper
Might start taking it over Twin Shot on Rama, too.
It's a lot better for bosses but makes some BP2 rooms problematic.
mossy zinc
Attack damage also doesn't matter for normal rooms. I don't need double Attack damage to one-shot anything.
bronze viper
Twin is better for rooms also because it's significantly easier to get multiple enemies into the Twin double shot range
solemn pulsar
who needs casts when you have ATTACK
bronze viper
You will hit multiple enemies basically always with Triple but only with 1 hit. I don't think either of them are strictly better than the other or anything
I err on Twin for safety
bright mango
Triple is extremely fun
mossy zinc
Flurry + Triple for me, probably.
bright mango
we're talking about rama
bright mango
Flurry shot on hera ♥️
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, I can see that.
solemn pulsar
hera is fun
eternal hare
I am also a fan of taking twin since it becomes easier to get pointblank/perfect on second hammer
(no sniper shot in pool)
solemn pulsar
hera is also nice because it doesn't need any hamemrs
and it's perfectly happy with 1 hammer
honest kernel
I also like twin more
solemn pulsar
1 good hammer
bronze viper
Oh, nice point, that's non-zero as Rama's hammer pool is already teeny tiny
mossy zinc
But Sniper Shot is a top tier Rama hammer. Tailesque proved it.
solemn pulsar
but i also can't imagine hera without crush shot
daring hedge
I prefer twin for streaking since it's slightly safer and more consistent
solemn pulsar
just stinky
daring hedge
But triple for speed or ultra high heat
mossy zinc
@daring hedge did you see @bright mango's challenge to you?
bright mango
I DIDN'T MAKE A CHALLENGE
daring hedge
👀
mossy zinc
Pengy787 thinks you can't beat 50 Heat FO1 TD2 before he can.
bright mango
bronze viper
Space foxes can hold bows better than penguins. They don't even have hands. That's not fair.
bright mango
^
mossy zinc
Pengy787 | causing some chaos — Today at 4:59 PM
but I will make history as the first person to clear 50 with FO1 and TD2
See? He thinks he can do it before you.
mossy zinc
Space foxes can hold bows better than penguins. They don't even have hands. Th...
This penguin is actually a frog. Don't be fooled.
quartz mantle
Twin is better for rooms also because it's significantly easier to get multiple ...
You can also hit multiple times which helps with dealing with armor
eager vortex
yea you know those speedy bloodless things that throw pink slashes at you
I gave up there
solemn pulsar
wavemkaers
eager vortex
impossible for me with this weapon sorry
mossy zinc
What weapon?
mossy zinc
Slugger.
bronze viper
Asphodel in general is kind of irritating for aspects that have some windup to attacks
eternal hare
speeder slugger is indeed quite rough
eager vortex
yes my main problem with rama is
not getting hit
will try again
seeding triple shot this time
bright mango
triple will make you get hit more
bronze viper
Lol, I suppose it's worth the data points to see if you're right about that. Triple definitley sacrifices safety for potential damage.
eternal hare
forever to do what? the timing to power shot is the same for both
eternal hare
yes but also no
like the max range is shorter, yeah, but on triple you kinda feel compelled to shotgun for max damage, yea?
eager vortex
yea for bosses
bronze viper
Right, if you play at safe range for Triple you're giving up a lot of damage equity over Twin.
eternal hare
regular encounters too though, else a lot of the time you may as well be hammerless
bright mango
yeah for triple to work, you need to shotgun
bronze viper
I think the hammer you want to seed for is probably Perfect then.
wraith imp
Hi everyone. Been a while. Hope folks are doing reasonably well.
I'm having trouble optimizing Gilgamesh DPS for anything that isn't Merciful End or Sea Storm Splash Dash with AP1 turned on. Any suggestions? Perhaps I've overlooked some kind of build.
bronze viper
Nope you've got the right idea
Womp womp
Also welcome back
I've heard people have reasonable success with Blade Dash too.
honest kernel
I beat gilga 40 pretty much with just pouring everything into attack and getting lucky breaching cross
heartbreak strike and chaos attack
bronze viper
^ gamer moment
wraith imp
Also welcome back
Thanks! Been a while since we last chatted.
Ok, so I was right to sour on Gilgamesh. It seems to be kind of weak since a player becomes limited when not using Maim (which can be a huge risk on high heat).
bronze viper
I know Hadesprofessor in Korea uses Maim very heavily
honest kernel
its pretty much the worst weapon imo
bronze viper
Which is a reflection of how crazy good he is lol
daring hedge
you do pretty much want to use maim if you're running gilga at high heat
wraith imp
I know Hadesprofessor in Korea uses Maim *very heavily*
I tried and it...uh...didn't go well for me in elysium on 40+.
daring hedge
too much potential damage from there
mossy zinc
Yeah, Gilgamesh is a contender for worst aspect in the game.
bronze viper
No worries that's 99% of people's experience with Gilgamesh lol. "welp, that's the last time I'm pressing... buttons with this aspect"
mossy zinc
Can still be a lot of fun, though.
bronze viper
daring hedge
with ruthless reflex of course
bronze viper
Ignore the aspect. Just copy pasta Gilgamesh lmfao
mossy zinc
Definitely Ruthless for DPS, yeah.
wraith imp
I've heard people have reasonable success with Blade Dash too.
I'm glad you mentioned this. I haven't tried this yet but I was considering making an attempt. It seems to me that hypersprint+rush delivery would be a good hermes combo with blade dash to scale up damage.
honest kernel
I assumed maim was unusable on high heat but guess I just need to git gud
wraith imp
RR + Greatest Reflexes is probably better if I had to guess
Yeah, that was option 2 in my mind.
honest kernel
def feels like a waste on normal enemies tho
mossy zinc
Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery is pretty optimal on any aspect with any build.
quartz mantle
Maim has no downside if you just don't get hit
bronze viper
Ez game
celest grail
getting hyper delivery with ap1/2 is difficult
pseudo kernel
https://imgur.com/a/09RPd91
beowulf with no beowulf
wraith imp
Maim has no downside if you just don't get hit
Uh, Sir?
celest grail
especially if you have ri1
daring hedge
I assumed maim was unusable on high heat but guess I just need to git gud
it is mostly used for bosses or chunkier enemies yeah
but it's useful for that
mossy zinc
I don't know if difficult is the right word for something you have zero control over.
honest kernel
I can see it being ok on bosses but man, the fear of just getting one-shot
daring hedge
ruthless and its 50% dodge you get helps a lot with that lol
honest kernel
esp since gilga isnt the most mobile weapon either
bronze viper
Lol, you have to make an allowance somewhere. Gilgamesh doesn't have that many tools, you do eventually have to use the ones you ahve
mossy zinc
Gilgamesh can admittedly shred bosses with a good build.
honest kernel
dash strike just locking you into a longer animation is fearsome
daring hedge
a good ruthless gilga dash build can feel like autopilot with maims here and there to boost the dash boon damage
wraith imp
Gilgamesh can admittedly shred bosses with a good build.
i still don't understand why merciful end is so op. The description/caption gives no reason for why I'm seeing nearly 1000 damage per hit.
bronze viper
@mossy zinc correctly pointed out to me that if you're very fast you can cancel the dash strike into an empty dash. I know this conceptually now but still have issues doing this on reaction
It's better than just dying for pressing Dash Strike though lmao
honest kernel
wierd, doesnt seem like intended then?
solemn pulsar
i still don't understand why merciful end is so op. The description/caption give...
doom is flat damage, with high base damage. ME adds a 40 flat damage onto it, and any global damage buffs like maim add to it
bronze viper
Nah it's an artifact of how the game handles buffering inputs and long pressed inputs
solemn pulsar
also proccing multiple doom hits in a row will cause them to add up and display the same number
bronze viper
If you hold Attack for too long that input will just carry over even if your press dash with no attack
solemn pulsar
if you dash strike with ME 4 times quickly on Gilgamesh, it may add all of those up into one number to display
honest kernel
makes sense I guess
solemn pulsar
every number you see is not always "one hit" of damage
wraith imp
https://imgur.com/a/09RPd91
Interesting on this. I've done zeus dash builds but never on beowulf.
bronze viper
It was out of spite
I hadn't played the aspect before and I was finishing 24x40 and I really just didn't feel like learning it then.
So I rolled off of Epic Flood Shot after getting c1 Charged Flight, nabbed a common Tempest Flourish and lucked into mono Zeus
mossy zinc
Learning aspects is like so 2020.
bronze viper
I've since redeemed myself with a traditional Beo 50 clear lol
wraith imp
doom is flat damage, with high base damage. ME adds a 40 flat damage onto it, an...
OK. Sure. But if my doom is 225, how am I getting nearly 1000? It's not like I have athena's blinding flash. If I have that, then the numbers become truly crazy for a ME build.
mossy zinc
Blinding Flash does nothing for ME damage.
wraith imp
Blinding Flash does nothing for ME damage.
It doesn't? Shows how much I know...
solemn pulsar
did you read my other message?
multiple hits
every number you see is not necessarily one hit
if you have rapid fire doom procs, they add up into one number
there's a cooldown before a new number appears
wraith imp
did you read my other message?
I did. But I'm not getting in 4 hits per second. Maybe 2 max 3 if I'm somehow lucky.
solemn pulsar
225 doom damage + 40 ME bonus
wraith imp
it can only top stab <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yeah, i should've guess that...sword of damocles and all that jazz
wraith imp
if main is applied, +25% to that
No maim. I'm talking in general across multiple aspects.
solemn pulsar
2/3 per second is still enough to stack up one number I think
daring hedge
it's most likely the whole multiple hits deal making that happen for the most part yeah
wraith imp
2/3 per second is still enough to stack up one number I think
Hmmm. Ok, I'll try to be more conscious about how many times I'm attacking when I'm button-mashing like a maniac.
honest kernel
no need to if everything in your way gets obliterated 
wraith imp
no need to if everything in your way gets obliterated <:zaglol:72504393186751290...
it basically does.
when i beat a 40+ heat run with ME, I basically attribute that to game mechanics + good fortune and almost no skill (especially if i'm using shield).
sea storm is also on that ME tier for me
solemn pulsar
sea storm is not that good
bronze viper
Sea Storm requires Zeus T2s to be an auto win
wraith imp
sea storm is not that good
Sir,
Respectfully: LOLWUT?!?!?!?
bronze viper
Compraed to ME it is not close
honest kernel
I guess if you really wanna learn an aspect dont make builds that ignore it
bronze viper
Sea Storm is just fine
solemn pulsar
sea storm is 40 extra damage on poseidon boosted attacks basically
the 40 damage boost part of ME is the least important part
wraith imp
I feel like I'm in crazy town? I have more wins with Sea Storm than with ME.
solemn pulsar
that's how different they are
bronze viper
It was nerfed because it was too easy to get, not because it was that broken. People picked Tidal as #1 damage dash, so they didn't want people to get... more damage from a duo from doing something they'd otherwise already do.
daring hedge
sea storm rama 
solemn pulsar
just because you have more wins with it doesn't mean it's better
wraith imp
sea storm is 40 extra damage on poseidon boosted attacks basically
Hang on a sec...when I do a SS I almost always have razor shoals. Maybe that's why I have such a high opinion of it?
solemn pulsar
razor shoals doesn't interact with sea storm
daring hedge
razor shoals damage is fine but kind of hard to notice mostly i'd say, and yeah
they're independent
bronze viper
Razor Shoals is just great on its own. My opinion of Razor Shoals literally could not be higher
celest grail
tail where'd your 50 heat rama streak end?
wraith imp
razor shoals doesn't interact with sea storm
I'm not sure I agree. I'm using splash dash-based sea storm to trigger razor shoals as well.
daring hedge
oh it's still going currently, ended stream at 3
bronze viper
razor shoals damage is fine but kind of hard to notice mostly i'd say, and yeah
It's so stupidly good in Elysium though
celest grail
oh nice
daring hedge
it was 2 streak, tart goof up loss, 3 streak
solemn pulsar
I'm not sure I agree. I'm using splash dash-based sea storm to trigger razor sho...
razor shoals does not get any better from sea storm
celest grail
couldnt catch the stream
solemn pulsar
is what i mean
daring hedge
so 5 wins 1 loss overall
bronze viper
Tail stahp, that's ridiculous. Please leave some 50 heat for the rest of us :3
solemn pulsar
sea storm is just a splash dash damage buff
wraith imp
razor shoals does not get any better from sea storm
I mean...sea storm is basically zeus's splitting bolt (legendary) applied to poseidon.
celest grail
zeus legendary procs more often
bronze viper
Yeah but capped on your dash frequency
celest grail
and (i think) does more dmg
celest grail
oh is it
wraith imp
Yeah but capped on your dash frequency
Hmmm...interesting.
solemn pulsar
your average splash dash is going to be around 80 damage
celest grail
eitherway, procs way more often
solemn pulsar
40 damage on top of that is great
celest grail
iirc it procs every 0.2 secs
solemn pulsar
but ME is a different beast entirely
daring hedge
also double strike and splitting is 👀
solemn pulsar
splitting bolt procs as fast as your zeus attacks
with a 0.2 second limit
it is not just constantly proccing at 0.2
bronze viper
ME is capped on your dash frequency but Doom is normally capped on 1.6 (with Impending) seconds. +50 damage per dash
celest grail
oh yeah^^
wraith imp
your average splash dash is going to be around 80 damage
105+ thank you very much
solemn pulsar
i mean
ok
so that makes sea storm even worse
the higher damage your dash is, the less effective sea storm is
wraith imp
also double strike and splitting is 👀
yep...whenever i get sea storm, zeus half of the build is kinda crazy.
iirc, i had a few runs where i had zeus splitting bolt with higher lvl double strike plus sea storm. those were outrageous runs.
bronze viper
The reason why Sea Storm is broken is the same reason every boon that does Lightning Damage is broken lol. Zeus tier 2s
- Splitting
wraith imp
The reason why Sea Storm is broken is the same reason *every* boon that does Lig...
exactly.
bronze viper
I agree that Sea Storm has a much higher floor
wraith imp
so i'm not seeing why ME is so much better than sea storm.
bronze viper
I didn't mean that to say Sea Storm or Zeus cores are broken, just that they can be during a run
solemn pulsar
you're not understanding the bigger picture
bronze viper
It's pretty far from deterministic
daring hedge
because ME is instant on demand damage
daring hedge
ME strips the biggest weakness of doom immediately
bronze viper
So ME adds +50 damage per dash, at a baseline. That's already 20% better than Sea Storm.
bronze viper
Oh, they're the same? Wow the most anemic nerf in the history of nerfs
solemn pulsar
bottom line is: sea storm makes good build better, ME is the build
bronze viper
What I was going to say though is that you're reducing what would be Doom damage DPS per 1.6 seconds to the frequency of your dashes
That's... a ludicrous multiplier
wraith imp
bottom line is: sea storm makes good build better, ME is the build
Ah, I finally see your POV. Thank u for the explanation.
solemn pulsar
nobody is ever like "oh thank god i got sea storm i thought i wouldn't survive this run"
but getting ME is that moment, for a build
wraith imp
Ok, yeah...I agree with that.
bronze viper
Well you do say that if you're Super Soaker Lucifer lol
daring hedge
and then impending doom also just rockets ME higher, while disregarding that T2 downside entirely
bronze viper
"Oh wow, I'm allowed to do damage now. Bless."
solemn pulsar
Well you do say that if you're Super Soaker Lucifer lol
hush
wraith imp
Well you do say that if you're Super Soaker Lucifer lol
ONE MY FAVORITE BUILDS NOW! I saw that on youtube and was like "I MUST TRY THAT IMMEDIATELY!"
eager vortex
I'm not using RI at all
wraith imp
I think that's a pretty common reaction lol
Indeed.
daring hedge
shout out to bright's 45 heat sea storm soaker
bronze viper
So yeah, Sea Storm adds a flat damage mod. ME adds the same flat damage mod per dash, but also puts in like a... some double digit damage multiplier on your doom boon?
honest kernel
I don't think I've ever ran ME actually
bronze viper
I hate it lol
solemn pulsar
ME doesnt multiply
bronze viper
It's so boring. Either you don't get it and your build is poopoo or you do get it and your brain turns off
solemn pulsar
just adds 40 damage when you proc doom with ME
bronze viper
The multiplier comes from the shortened effective duration of Doom
solemn pulsar
eh i wouldn't even phrase it like that
honest kernel
im gonna do it for zagius I guess
wraith imp
Question: since it's been at least a few months since I played consistently, i need to refresh my memory. What's a good build for demeter aspect of fist? do i go for demeter special boons? are there other ones?
quartz mantle
So you got the typical ME build
wraith imp
Or maybe aphro+artemis?
quartz mantle
There's Zeus attack with aphro or arty on special
actually I think nyaa wrote up a big guide on dem fists builds
wraith imp
actually I think nyaa wrote up a big guide on dem fists builds
Oh?
@mossy zinc Got a link to this guide?
bronze viper
ZAA (Zeus attack, Artemis/Aphrodite special, Athena dash) is classic and great
wraith imp
Thanks. Reading that now.
wraith imp
ZAA (Zeus attack, Artemis/Aphrodite special, Athena dash) is classic and great
Thanks. Will try it.
mossy zinc
daring hedge
splitting bolt smoldering zeus call 
mossy zinc
When you're always nice to Lady Aphrodite and Lord Zeus, they give you nice things. 💕
pseudo kernel
When you're always nice to Lady Aphrodite and Lord Zeus, they give you nice thin...
that explains a lot
eager vortex
@bright mango I did it, using your heat setup
it was slow and not very fun though
I feel like rama is great at killing bosses but not so great in rooms with fast enemies
(or I'm juz bad)
eternal hare
it's not just you, rama definitely kinda struggles a bit with fast enemies
eager vortex
wonder how it'd go if I just completely ignored attack
seeded relentless volley
zeus special
eternal hare
depends on how much zeus stacking you were able to do
eager vortex
like jolted + splitting bolt
bright mango
It could
bronze viper
wonder how it'd go if I just completely ignored attack
Relentless Dio very good for this
bronze viper
With Zeus special you always need to be using your special, Dio is one and done, and you can dodge or attack to your leisure
honest kernel
dem special is oke I heard
bronze viper
For support, definitely. Killing Freeze makes it great for damage too
bronze viper
But yeah, Dio has the most syngergies. Splitting Headache if you go Artemis attack, also it builds call charge very quickly.
Which Rama lacks by itself
honest kernel
I feel like almost all hidden aspects go for slower but more dmg
bronze viper
Low Toleranch with Relentless and Aphro attack also great. You can even still qualify for Curse of Nausea with Curse of Vengeance.
eager vortex
heart rend for example wouldn't be good for rama cuz you're trying to crit with your attack, not special
and it's very slow
crit % much bettar
bronze viper
I mean you could just put Pash Dash or Heartbreak Flourish since you want Deadly Strike anyway
It tends to overkill on most enemies, sometimes even bosses if you have Twin/Triple lol, but yeah it's not hard to do
mossy zinc
I feel like almost all hidden aspects go for slower but more dmg
Gilgamesh goes for slower but no damage.
mossy zinc
More damage to you.
honest kernel
:(
mossy zinc
It's good at that.
eager vortex
so hateful nyaanyaa
eager vortex
it's obviously made for merciful end
don't treat it lyk demeter, ignore that special
it's a traaaap
bronze viper
Crush
bronze viper
It has merits, especially for control and safety
bronze viper
You kind of need an attack hammer though
eager vortex
it's good just takes forever to get your cast back
bronze viper
Twin/Triple
gaunt fiber
oh Hera gaming mb
mossy zinc
Bottom 5 green, everything else purple.
Thick Skin for high heat, of course.
And SD.
Although DD is a legit option if you don't get hit much, anyway.
eternal hare
losing dark foresight hurts cast weapons since they tend to need both a lot of boons and a lot of poms
mossy zinc
It's a Cast aspect. It dislikes the same things Beowulf dislikes, pretty much.
eternal hare
*hurts cast weapons disproportionately
gaunt fiber
Yeah it's gonna be grindy
eager vortex
gaunt fiber
Today I got at least 7 parting shot with RI2 Ap1
mossy zinc
Without being as good at EM4 as Beowulf.
eager vortex
mirrorless hera when
gaunt fiber
it's bad zag bow
solar maple
if you're doing that just play zag bow
gaunt fiber
Join the excalibur clan
eager vortex
arthur is just bad rama though
mossy zinc
Rama is bad Gilgamesh.
waxen relic
You get so much out of that Cast
mossy zinc
Gilgamesh has more dashes.
gaunt fiber
Yeah I that's fair Atticor
waxen relic
The difference is that you're not starting Crush Shot and let that carry the whole thing, but start Shackle and fight with all you have.
bronze viper
I still like arthur more than rama tho
This is so wild to me lol, but respect
eager vortex
if I was able to use rama efficiently like you
I'd like rama more
it's a matter of with which one I can do better
bright mango
Rama♥️
eager vortex
you typo'd slow chiron
bronze viper
Slow Chiron is shots fired lmao
eager vortex
gaunt fiber
It's not a dash 
quartz mantle
1 dash that does something > 3 dashes that don't do anything
quartz mantle
It is the strongest dash
eager vortex
dd > tidal > irrelevant dashes
quartz mantle
can't pom it unfortunately
mossy zinc
aphrodite is just bad hermes
quartz mantle
but you can pom special boons so it evens out
mossy zinc
Aphrodite has passion dash
Indeed. You're very wise.
waxen relic
btw Nyaanyaa do you have all AphroBoons 40 Heat?
mossy zinc
hermes can also carry epic greatest reflex
Epic Greatest Reflex sucks. It's not pink, and you can't even pom it.
Nyaanyaa, not NyaaNyaa.
waxen relic
kb works on it's own sometimes
mossy zinc
I didn't get all of her boons, but I did a run with only boons from her at 40 Heat . . . and Nourished Soul, but that's not a boon. It does nothing. You can't sell it. Nourished Soul is actually an empty slot, so it doesn't count. 
waxen relic
I was thinking in terms of the Contractor as i noticed it also shows the heat and time for boons
gaunt fiber
Indeed. You're very wise.
Domo
mossy zinc
Ohhh. I'll have to look.
Oh, I was also forced into a Lord Hermes boon, apparently.
eager vortex
lol finished with eternal rose
mossy zinc
But Lady Aphrodite liked it. 💕
waxen relic
💕
quartz mantle
I like what I presume to be Eternal Rose through the whole run
eager vortex
oh my is that a cast rama
mossy zinc
My top 10 boon picks are:
- Heartbreak Strike
- Heartbreak Flourish
- Divine Dash
- Greatest Reflex
- Zeus' Aid
- Crush Shot
- Hyper Sprint
- Dying Lament
- Smoldering Air
- Sweet Surrender
gaunt fiber
Rab
solar maple
zeus's aid more than aphro aid smh
eager vortex
ok I made it
unique zephyr
can someone make a hades version of
I could provide game footage but not audio commentary
unique zephyr
Someone with editing could scrub out the heat marker and I would set it to 40 heat
eager vortex
nah I managed to die like a complete idiot
unique zephyr
So that I wouldn’t have to play much differently to die a lot
unique zephyr
That happened while leveling up keepsakes
I have one more to max out before I max them all out
It’s kinda tedious ngl
gaunt fiber
But the achievements
solar maple
I still haven't hah
gaunt fiber
But the achievements
solar maple
too lazy
gaunt fiber
But the achievements?
bronze viper
I still haven't hah
Me neither 
honest kernel
how tf do people build supersoaker I never get out of tart with this sucky poseidon attack
bronze viper
I'd probably err on taking Splash Dash and looking for Tempest Strike later
If you're doing it at a heat where it matters lol
honest kernel
45
bronze viper
Oof. Yeah def Splash Dash
honest kernel
sounds good
I have this thing where i cant play hades anymore without forcing a challenge on myself
or else its boring
bronze viper
lmao I think you're in good company
eager vortex
sucky poseidon attack is right
solemn pulsar
I'd probably err on taking Splash Dash and looking for Tempest Strike later
wait, that's illegal
bronze viper
Lol how tf else are you clearing Tartarus at 45 heat
solemn pulsar
it's against the super soaker terms and conditions
bronze viper
lmao
solemn pulsar
that's just sparkling lucifer
super soaker rules are simple:
- take tempest strike first
- take attack hammers over special hammers if offered
- suffer endless pain until you get sea storm
shy plinth
- Realize it isn't even that good once you do
true fable
i like super soaker
shy plinth
- Get jolted and get hard carried
true fable
check my 45 if you care for it
mossy zinc
I start with step 5 and just don't bother.
true fable
i usually reset for natural zeus/athena and force the other in asphodel
zeus cast/call are both fine
mossy zinc
Well, you wrote a #5 before I could hit enter.
true fable
call is preferred
shy plinth
Speedrun strats
true fable
run a TD2 pact IMO
im gonna try running a soaker TD2 pact at 50 heat once i finish all aspects
gaunt fiber
Me neither <:squirtheh:456913427563282433>
But the achievements?
bright mango
I agree
gaunt fiber
Yes
true fable
if you run into a bad BP2 dracon room it ends your life
gaunt fiber
Yes
eager vortex
mossy zinc
Divine Flourish can make short work of Dracons.
gaunt fiber
Imo fwiw tbh
gaunt fiber
np np
honest kernel
wtf is this vid
true fable
sacre bleu hon hon baguette
true fable
🥖 🇫🇷
mossy zinc
but its unreliable without triple bomb
Just do like me and just get Triple Bomb first try.
honest kernel
also yeah td2 seems reasonable bc td3 is too close...
so why is super soaker beter than just starting with zeus now
honest kernel
🙂
true fable
LOL
true fable
its fun once you get sea storm
honest kernel
like I played demeter attack luci and that was better
gaunt fiber
It's only fun when you get all the pieces imo
true fable
and its good brain exercise before sea storm
honest kernel
it has a cool watergun asethetic 🙂
spice lava
Bright
gaunt fiber
Sadge
gaunt fiber
Yeah what a cheater
true fable
at 50
gaunt fiber
I mean
gaunt fiber
What aspects deal with TD3 reliably at 50 except Rama Beo Hestia, Eris prolly
true fable
and then people have to take me seriously when i say rama isnt that good
eager vortex
lol @ rama
true fable
or hestia is just "ok"
gaunt fiber
Rama seems reliable
daring hedge
you can say that but then i will also have 60 heat and a 50 heat streak with it
and i can say things too
gaunt fiber
As a non Rama player
mossy zinc
I feel like one of these two no one will listen to, and one is a Star Fox.
unique zephyr
This reminds me of people trying to convince me crystal beam is good actually
daring hedge
rude
eager vortex
it is
true fable
crystal beam does damage if you get 4 boons
unique zephyr
“Just get Artemis or Aphrodite’s duo and glacial glare”
true fable
glacial glare by itself is good enough i think
gaunt fiber
Crystal beam has a 17 min clear at 50 heat with EM4
gaunt fiber
Deal with it
true fable
nyaanyaa will you go for 50 hera
unique zephyr
Huh let me see
true fable
i need someone else trying this
honest kernel
crystal beam is good tho
true fable
i've been stumped for like 2 days
unique zephyr
Crystal beam 50 heat? Did retrash do it
true fable
nah a japanese player
mossy zinc
I might. 50 seems like such a boring number, though.
daring hedge
i did crystal beam 50 heat :(
gaunt fiber
Poggies
gaunt fiber
Was it 17 min and em4
daring hedge
true
true fable
yeah lol
mossy zinc
That means Crystal Clarity is better without Fully Loaded.
gaunt fiber
I felt sorry for Hades that run
daring hedge
or timed out on TD2
also i had almost two minutes left, for the record
only 26 minutes
very fast
daring hedge
yeah it's a slog but i did that
daring hedge
JS3 CP1, DC1
daring hedge
hey you'll probably get something better than true shot
true fable
true
my first try was a true shot mom pom run
where my only boon walking into heroes was a level 7 true shot
gaunt fiber
Is the logic DC bc the attack strips then the cast hits
daring hedge
i needed either DC1 or CP2 lol
true fable
was this non hell mode
spice lava
nah a japanese player
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807672625739858000/830924073411936308/unknown.png According to the flag, not japanese 😮
daring hedge
yeah
true fable
oh jk
daring hedge
before i made my hell file
spice lava
We all are Hadesprof disciples
mossy zinc
I think those are just called students.
true fable
before i made my hell file
sounds like pain
unique zephyr
i think he is a hadesprof disciple
So you could stay he’s a hadesstudent?
true fable
something like that
unique zephyr
before i made my hell file
How long would you say it took you for your hell mode file to get to the point where you can do high heat? Not sure if downloading a hell mode save would be better
Default CP1 sounds icky
daring hedge
downloading a save from src would be absolutely faster and easier
i just like having my own file progress
and CP1 you kind of get used to, weirdly
if you don't plan on using all aspects, grinding hell mode isn't bad at all
takes a while if you do want to max them all out from scratch though
eternal hare
working on a hellmode save from scratch on your own does have its benefits though
like actually being able to unironically run 50-heat baby hestia
daring hedge
lol true
unique zephyr
I think I’ll just download it lol
Hell mode doesn’t matter until 45 heat or so anyway
spice lava
if you don't care about starting from a hell mode save with all aspects at lvl max, take it on SRC ressources
if you are one of those people who plan to clear with Hestia lvl 1 however...
eager vortex
why would anyone want to do that
shy gulch
eager vortex
bragging rights ?
eager vortex
sgg didn't know how weird people can get with their challenges
so they didn't put an option to lower aspect levels
spice lava
well if you're used to 50, redoing your own save file isn't that long
spice lava
unless if you look for lvl 1 hidden aspects, which could be random-ish and a bit long
eager vortex
yes
spice lava
and the fact that filling the mirror is annoying
but on 50, if you are a RI2 player, you don't spend that much darkness
eager vortex
tbh just cheat for darkness lol
solemn pulsar
just mod to lower the levels if that's all you want
true fable
@daring hedge did you reset for any cast boon + pom blossom or coin purse?
what was your strat?
solemn pulsar
also RI isn't unlocked until you get the whole mirror isn't it?
gaunt fiber
I would assume that it's just there in hell mode
solar maple
it is not there at the start
gaunt fiber
F
daring hedge
<@!164508146746785792> did you reset for any cast boon + pom blossom or coin pur...
i actually started shackle lol
true fable
maybe ykc?? 
solemn pulsar
EM also isn't available until you see fury/lernie variations
true fable
smh
solemn pulsar
shackle doubles your cast damage
gaunt fiber
EM also isn't available until you see fury/lernie variations
Interesting
solar maple
shackle cast is 100 damage
just means scaling with early poms is harder
tbh I mostly just did it because resetting is annoying
I imagine tail was similar
daring hedge
yeah
solemn pulsar
nvm it's just furies
daring hedge
just like this will help me get out of tartarus and i'll play it by ear as i go
gaunt fiber
Interesting
solemn pulsar
ExtremeyMeasuresOhBoyHowdy =
{
{
Requirements = { "See Mrs. Murder", "Angry Alecto Appears!" }
},
RankGameStateRequirements =
{
[4] = { RequiredBling = { "Get Dad to Love you and Buy His Rage and Aggression"}}
}
},```so you just need to see all 3 furies
solar maple
metametaupgrade pog
daring hedge
lol
solemn pulsar
so looks like you don't need the last one?
mossy zinc
I think the devs generally don't like straight-up posting code from the game here.
solar maple
mossy zinc
Looks like actual code from the game to me.
solemn pulsar
guess i just code just like the big boys
eternal hare
code {
source: "the game",
reason: "i put this in a code block"
}
i apologize for providing information
solemn pulsar
i will refrain from doing so in the future
true fable
just like this will help me get out of tartarus and i'll play it by ear as i go
i see, you think resetting for cast with pom blossom or resetting for crush shot would be more effective
tbh
hera just feels wrong without crush shot
i cant explain it
just feels like a different weapon
daring hedge
i definitely got more value out of a random early epic curse of agony than cast for like half of the run
gaunt fiber
MhEra poggies
solemn pulsar
MEra ain't bad with flurry shot tbh
em4
but you didn't even build into cast
what was the point of RI0 hehe
HP i guess
gaunt fiber
Who needs HP
solemn pulsar
oh
mossy zinc
I reset Hera speedruns if I don't get +1 ammo or Cast damage from Master Chaos in Tartarus tbh. Would probably do the same for high heat.
gaunt fiber
Yeah RI2 for life
daring hedge
i'm an RI2 gamer
solar maple
I need 500 health to win without a shield
gaunt fiber
I see
mossy zinc
It's like Charged Flight Beowulf but better.
Charged Flight Beowulf being the only way to play Beowulf.
mossy zinc
So strong they're hiding behind a shield.
solar maple
maybe I'll just cheat for rama 50
mossy zinc
They're scared. Don't worry.
solar maple
RI0 twin shot seed 
solar maple
it's interesting the feeling I get when playing different weapons at high heat
hestia feels like running
sword feels like dancing
beo feels like wading
eager vortex
wtf
solar maple
I've played a bit of hades at 40/50 and some gy at 40
gaunt fiber
PeepoHappy
solar maple
they feel very different
gaunt fiber
Spike?
gaunt fiber
I know it can happen against alecto/meg
gaunt fiber
F
eager vortex
I was on it I think
gaunt fiber
Recorded?
gaunt fiber
Too bad
eager vortex
well I was on ri4
gaunt fiber
But RI4 disables mirror why you do dis
gaunt fiber
Hm
waxen relic
True
solemn pulsar
to me arthur really likes: anything besides its own kit
solemn pulsar
when peachhead devolved to thunder dash starts aiming for splitting bolt
i knew it was long over
gaunt fiber
He still swings
solemn pulsar
oh yeah arthur swing fun
solemn pulsar
just sad how the swing ain't it
eager vortex
I like it
solemn pulsar
for speed at least
eager vortex
pretty much rama without shared pain
solemn pulsar
is it that broken?
eager vortex
same range imo
solemn pulsar
you can only use it once every 4 seconds
gaunt fiber
Yes
solar maple
daring hedge
i could be mistaken but i recall a patch a while back after arthur was introduced that made its hitboxes actually good
because they were not so good at first
eager vortex
and ri2 is free heat
solemn pulsar
probably was accurate to the animation at first lol
daring hedge
yeah
daring hedge
ri3 is very viable
only on shields really, but not even beo because casts
otherwise fishing for hermes reflex is not fun
eager vortex
yes you definitely need the reflex
gaunt fiber
I think you need 2 dashes on FO2 otherwise it's hard to follow
daring hedge
is peachhead still a believer of RR arthur
gaunt fiber
And he was still aiming for Tartarus dash
solemn pulsar
then magnil and ananke shattered his PB in 1 week
true fable
spear feels very surgical on high heat
eager vortex
arthur's first stab reaches all the way from the statues to schelemeus
gaunt fiber
I'm a surgeon
true fable
youre like a butcher
gaunt fiber
What
true fable
jk astaos youre an artiste
gaunt fiber
Lmao
gaunt fiber
When you get used to it you go faster
true fable
shield feels like brute force
gaunt fiber
Then it's beautiful
daring hedge
shield feels like brute force
especially that ykc 58 beo run
true fable
yeah
daring hedge
bull rushing 24/7 to move at all times
true fable
i was so close to 57 
gaunt fiber
I do the same and I die to doomstone smh
gaunt fiber
Words marked
daring hedge
marking those words mister
daring hedge
also i don't mean disrespect by this obviously because the run is a helluva feat but
that em4 phase 3
was the funniest i have ever seen
the 58 beo i mean
eager vortex
ap2 ri2 and I got a purple chaos attack boon with seeded breaching slash
I should savescum this run
only in chamber 3
gaunt fiber
Why savescum
eager vortex
cuz if I die seed gone
gaunt fiber
Give up
gaunt fiber
If it's chamber 3 it should be doable
eager vortex
I guess so
gaunt fiber
Not 100% though indeed
gaunt fiber
But if you did not break too many pots maybe
eager vortex
this run is telling me to finish it
gaunt fiber
Well just win
eager vortex
I will
gaunt fiber
Poggies
solar maple
the 58 beo i mean
how is it funny?
mossy zinc
unless i get sucked into persona 5 royal
So you're saying you're not doing 57 this week.
solar maple
I basically play the same way in a different corner lol
daring hedge
it is funny alright
true fable
So you're saying you're not doing 57 this week. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
haha fair enough
ok i need to watch this then