I recorded only the hades fight tho
#h1-high-heat-strategies
bronze viper
Whoah, Hades spear is easy? That's not my experience lol, but maybe I'm just garbage at mini spinning without getting punished.
Also Chaos is sus low, that aspect is like intensely positioning dependent now. I get it has to be subjective. It's cool to see people's opinions though. Seems fine at broad strokes though.
eager vortex
it took me 10 mins to realize you're talking about my list
yeah I just found it real easy to handle
I forgot which weapon I used for my first ever clear
ah yes, sword ofc
can you even get the other weapons before your first clear ... I seem to have forgotten the past
bright mango
How tf did you get that damage
bright mango
Jesus christ
honest kernel
pretty good
bronze viper
You got the clear? My service is dog poop right now on the highway, can't render video
bright mango
It says it’s been removed
bronze viper
Oh so you did get the 50 clear? That's awesome 
eager vortex
I'm sorry I'm very amateur at uploading videos
and my net isn't very good
honestly
chiron was easier than hestia and beo
hoary pasture
2 chaos specials with concentrated and relentless
hoary pasture
That’s probably the most satisfying Chiron EM4 ive seen
eager vortex
honestly
for hades, it was just a great build doing its job
I didn't even have to try hard
bright mango
Still great job
eager vortex
thanks 
honest kernel
what was your pact?
hoary pasture
It’s in #h1-victory-boasting
solar maple
wait did you delete the video?
eager vortex
damn with the excitement I put battie in the victory screen instead of chiron
solar maple
no it was RI1
eager vortex
eager vortex
yes I'm uploading again, it was bugged
hoary pasture
Oh you also had Hermes special speed
honest kernel
3 made my brain go "its three!"
hoary pasture
Cant get spicier than that
solar maple
yeah that would be an insane chiron build on 0 heat lol
solar maple
clean kill is pretty garbage
eager vortex
oh is it ?
solar maple
epic clean kill is 1/5 as good as heart rend. It's not nothing, but it's really not huge
eager vortex
didn't have pressure points too
solar maple
yeah PP > clean kill
hoary pasture
Are you reuploading it?
solar maple
you got perfect hammers on AP1, double special chaos with no rolls, epic hermes special speed (with no god's pride), the duo you were looking for, epic special, and a dd to top it off. It's a pretty good build :p
eager vortex
Are you reuploading it?
yes but it's taking 4ever of course
solar maple
yeah yt takes a while to upload
getting epic hermes of the boon you want alone is super unlikely
hermes with no pride is 3% epic
gaunt fiber
epic clean kill is 1/5 as good as heart rend. It's not *nothing*, but it's reall...
But PP is 1/10 of Deadly Reversal 
gaunt fiber
Liar
solar maple
also that was epic clean kill
solar maple
epic PP is also 1/5 of DR
eager vortex
should be working now :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wq6OtdL9SY
solar maple
I literally think that dps is higher than the any heat chiron wr build
which is saying something
hoary pasture
Hax
eager vortex
stupid video works at least
shy gulch
to be fair lovcrimson did say heart rend build was better than sea storm
holy heck i just watched the vid
that damage is absolutely insane
solar maple
LOL
eager vortex
good to see it was a right decision to record the last fight
solar maple
that is the best RI1 + AP1 build I think I've ever seen
eager vortex
cuz I felt like I had a very high dps
shy gulch
that was with RI1? good god
hoary pasture
Im glad you did lol
quartz mantle
"outdamage" is underselling it
gaunt fiber
Mr pseudo
How reliable is your speedtech on controller?
For Arthur
Someone told me about that when I was on stream but I only tried to dash cancel my attacks, I could get some quick dash strikes
But adding your cast thing should be amazing
bronze viper
@eager vortex lmao, you phased him in 1.5 volleys.
gaunt fiber
@solar maple before it gets burried
solar maple
which one?
gaunt fiber
My monologue
gaunt fiber
Rebind cast on shoulder maybe
bronze viper
I did go on record saying there was not a build that could do sufficient dps to trivialize CP2 dad. I guess this probably disproves that. Even if it was CP0
solar maple
attack -> dash -> cast
the timing is a bit precise, but once you get a feel for it it's not bad
gaunt fiber
is it better than the aoe
solar maple
for the standing double hit thing
solar maple
I haven't ever used it practically lol. not sure the best applications
but sometimes doing the attack combo is not practical
eager vortex
I did go on record saying there was not a build that could do sufficient dps to ...
yeah, I think on cp2 he would still melt, just a little slower
gaunt fiber
Yeah on dad it's not that practical
mb it's a me problem though
Ok I'll try to do it on controller
Get ready mr skelly
bronze viper
I think in CP2 he would just melt, vs. sublimating like he did in this video.
hoary pasture
I watched it like 10 times and only just noticed you skipped cerberus
eager vortex
yea he can't get out of healing to call cerb
ashen garnet
Don't forget to put dedge in dedge for best results 
eager vortex
a sweet revenge for all the times he kicked my ass
gaunt fiber
Lmao
So I got a pretty good Fury entrance
And game crashed
Just look at that tempest strike arthur gaming
bright mango
Gaming
eager vortex
this game can crash ???
bright mango
yeah
gritty flame
How do you play a particular "seed"?
eager vortex
147 runs and going stronk
mossy zinc
That's what I wrote.
bronze viper
How do you play a particular "seed"?
You can either grind a seed by repeated death au naturale, or you can do it through a mod.
gritty flame
You can either grind a seed by repeated death au naturale, or you can do it thro...
Wait... there's not essentially infinite seeds?
bronze viper
There are 1 million exactly
bronze viper
By dying then checking what the boon offering is next time
gritty flame
So you start off with a million possible seeds... then see a particular boon and do X before/after dying and then you have 500,000 possible seeds? Rinse and repeat until you get the exact one you want?
there's probably a youtube video. Don't waste your time on my ignorance. lol
bronze viper
Every time you die you get one of a million seeds. If it's a hammer starting room, it'll be a different set per aspect. From that point on, an RNG function is iterated when you do any number of things and it'll determine... Every variance related thing in the game. That's not seeding though. The seed is just the starting point. Of which there are a "million" plus around 250kx24 for the different aspects with hammer rooms (since there's around a 1/4 chance for a hammer start I think)
gaunt fiber
I'm so good at generating seeds.
eager vortex
mossy zinc
I'm so good at generating seeds.
If you value quantity over quality, sure.
gaunt fiber
Yeah I'm definitely talking about quantity
mossy zinc
Humans are being replaced by a machine yet again.
All the human seeders are losing their jobs.
gaunt fiber
bright mango
B O T
mossy zinc
Yes. Very bot, indeed.
quartz mantle
Alright Zeus shield gamers
Is it worth to get a Heroic Dio special replacement on my Zeus Special
I don't have Double Strike but I do have purple jolted
honest kernel
If you have purple jolted don't replace the special ever
quartz mantle
Well I did it for the funny and it was only 32 heat so I was still able to win
Zeus shield seems really fun I'm enjoying it a lot
quartz mantle
oh damn that's nuts
bronze viper
Trying a 45 zoos shield run rn and have splitting out of tartarus👀
This 10000% means my run is cursed and I'll die before EM4 lol. I hate getting Splitting Bolt
The pressure just causes me to die painfully and swiftly lmao
mossy zinc
If I happen to RNG into an early ME at high heat, I usually throw the run because my brain shuts off somewhere mid-run. 
bronze viper
That's about right
bright mango
Its ap0 so luck cannot screw me over
mossy zinc
I can't words, either.
bright mango
This is all skill
bronze viper
With early splitting bolt I just feel like I can unga bunga into linker speeder nonsense and kill them before I die.
mossy zinc
I need to get back into the mindset of just being happy I win a run.
Because currently it's like I get a PB at 40 Heat, and instead of being happy with that, I think of it as a failure because it's still not sub 10.
bright mango
unique zephyr
Once I get better health wise I’ll grind EM4 for that sweet 4 heat
Right now I cannot physically handle a 5 minute fight especially since I need intense concentration throughout
Finally got past Theseus and asterius in bow 40
true fable
shy plinth
DO IT BRIGHT
halcyon flame
i have concluded in my attempts to do sub 12/32 heat with hera that elysium is the worst
the enemies are the worst and all of the damn visual effects bring my laptop to its knees
hearty onyx
You are not wrong
mossy zinc
Yikes.
halcyon flame
how am i gonna get sub 12 with hera if i'm playing on a microsoft powerpoint presentation for the entirety of ELYSIUM
tidal flame
seriously i get like 10 fps in some rooms
Just bump it down to 720p 😎
halcyon flame
no
but yeah my resolution is at max
which may or may not be a major contributor to the absurd performance issues i'm having
i've been dealing with this for a solid 4 months and only now it's really bothered me
kindred panther
So... I starting trying to beat every aspect on 32 heat. So far, all I've achieved is Arthur, ZagSpear, Beowulf, Chiron, ZagFists, Demeter, Eris, and Hestia. Poseidon, Chaos, and Rama should be the easiest ones to do next, right? Why am I having such a hard time with them
I swear, Artemis straight up refuses to drop Exit Wounds when I'm playing Poseidon
halcyon flame
i can definitely say my laptop is ass with an i3
kindred panther
What's the best attack for Rama?
Artemis? Aphro?
I'd think gotta be artemis right
halcyon flame
i almost oneshotted tiny vermin with twin shot arty attack
so yeah it's probably artemis who knows
shy plinth
i can definitely say my laptop is ass with an i3
Oh if it's an i3 with built-in graphics that will be a problem
Def bump down the res
shy plinth
So... I starting trying to beat every aspect on 32 heat. So far, all I've achie...
What's your pact
24x32 takes a while
Easiest ones are the ones you're comfortable with
mossy zinc
Exit Wounds is not what you should be looking for with Poseidon Aspect.
halcyon flame
you've probably already killed the enemy with your casts
mossy zinc
Exit Wounds should only matter for boss fights.
halcyon flame
though it is great for bossing
shy plinth
If your phalanx cast is good enough exit wounds doesn't matter
kindred panther
My pact? Um, my goto has been basically the same setup as in the pinned message
shy plinth
The pin lists 19 heat as core
I did 24x32 last month and found that the pact when I first started attempting 32s wasn't ideal for me
unique zephyr
What was your 24 x 32 pact out of curiosity
kindred panther
(I can't remember the acronyms) 100 heal reduction, 3 buffer bosses, miniboss, sell a boon, 20 enemy speed, 2 enemy shield, 5:00 time
unique zephyr
And how did you modify it for weapons
shy plinth
Did not modify it
Probably should have
DC2?
DC2 is real rough with td3
And a lot of weapons won't work
kindred panther
oh and 2x um... where the shielded enemies get weird perks
unique zephyr
I would do HL2 over DC2
shy plinth
kindred panther
yeah the 2x shield, DC2? I change that out for other stuff sometimes
shy plinth
I don't know what you're comfortable with
This is what worked for me, other people prefer td2 and more hard labor
unique zephyr
https://i.imgur.com/S8PAtgS.png
Whoa where did you get that interface to post
shy plinth
HL1 CF0 is really nice once you learn FO2 yeah
But also I don't know where you're having trouble Cali
shy plinth
If you've already cleared 8 aspects or whatever you're probably fine
unique zephyr
I did 6 x 32
kindred panther
FO2.... uggghhh a room full of shielded witches always destroys me
shy plinth
And just need to grind it
It's a learning curve
Took me a couple weeks to jump from fo1 to fo2
But also like sometimes you just reset in tart and that's how it is
unique zephyr
I jumped from FO0 to FO2 it was worth it
Let me run CF0 and gave me a base for 40
But yeah at a certain point you just grind it
kindred panther
But also I don't know where you're having trouble Cali
If I do increased damage (or FO2), then Hades gives me problems. Otherwise it's always a race against the clock when using DC2, I most often die to time limit
shy plinth
I found it worth the energy to learn the bosses on FO2
And also agree that hades is problematic
I was playing way too aggressively out of habit and died so many times in the second half of phase 2 until I figured it out
Double empty dash is the best thing
kindred panther
Sometimes the bull can be a pain in the ass too,
shy plinth
Yeah
Asterius hurts
I had to take my thumb off the attack button, my instinct was that I had enough time to dash strike
On FO2 you don't
mossy zinc
What build are you going for with Poseidon and why?
kindred panther
you talking to me
mossy zinc
Yes. Ain't no one else asking for help right now.
kindred panther
hehe, um, I actually don't have a build to follow lol. I just take arty trinket and roll with it
mossy zinc
I think the issue in any case is just not really knowing the aspects you're struggling with and lacking practice.
kindred panther
cuz eventually I want to get exit wounds
kindred panther
anything else in particular?
mossy zinc
I think True Shot is probably the worst Cast for Poseidon if you're not routing for ridiculous amounts of Chaos Boons.
kindred panther
dash? call? whatever? that's important for poseidon?
mossy zinc
Electric Shot, Phalanx Shot, and Crush Shot all do a lot of work.
Flood Shot can be good, too.
kindred panther
i don't like that you can't predict which enemy electric shot will lodge itself into
mossy zinc
Ideally none because they're all dead.
shy plinth
Yeah exit wounds is extra boss damage and when your build gets online you don't really need it
It's nice
kindred panther
"gets online"?
shy plinth
Once it starts doing the things you want it to do
When you get a duo or a bunch of poms going or whatever
kindred panther
ah
shy plinth
You could go for deadly reversal there or parting shot or lightning phalanx
Both parting shot and lightning phalanx lead to smoldering air, always a good choice
Could end up poseidon+artemis for mirage shot and then you still have access to exit wounds
This was my poseidon sword clear, I will say exit wounds was good but
There was some other stuff going on
mossy zinc
This was mine. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/825535268501192714/Hades_1903.png
shy plinth
Hey that's pretty fast
unique zephyr
I’m thinking of Hestia 45 heat pacts and looking at it I’m wondering if I can reasonably avoid calisthenics program?
kindred panther
Wow y'all were right. Just prioritizing Athena cast for Poseidon aspect is soooo much easier.
unique zephyr
It seems 45 heat is right about where you’d want hell mode
mossy zinc
DC1 is worse.
shy plinth
DC is a non-starter
spice lava
It can be a starter but don't 
hearty onyx
Unless you're on Rama
spice lava
No I mean even if I didn't clear it, I tested it until Hades: https://youtu.be/EFpWc_WFuQo
The real problem at the end was "What am i supposed to do against DC2 skulls"
Else it was doable
But Hestia DC2 is something you can consider if you reach the point where you're supposed to put RI3 on your pact to improve your high heat run
You start with an agressive dash instead of praying for a second dash with Hermes
honest kernel
screw 50 rama actually i wanna turn my brain off and do hestia
50 is so much harder than 45 it's stressful
spice lava
50 is the pain floor yes
honest kernel
spice lava
45 and 50 are most of the time a AP or TD matter so depending of the rooms it's more like the RNG messing up with you than you being that bad
But 50 is the big stepstone to make you learn to brave the RNG and be patient until it works
honest kernel
yeah its a grind
I think I got 45 down in a few tries and I am stuck for 2 days on 50 now
spice lava
And that's how we improve basically, learning our aspects with a lot of poor builds
honest kernel
I'm also experimenting with pacts and keepsakes rn to find what works best for me
spice lava
Titigore took 2 hours to clear 50 with Eris but he spent a lot of time on Eris with his any heat grind so his playstyle was really sanded and sharp
The time we spend on the aspects to clear 50 is very irregular
honest kernel
it only matters that I get to clear it at some point
spice lava
Come to the dark side
halcyon flame
just wondering is it required to record your high heat runs if you're not on hell mode to submit them to the spreadsheet?
Technically you can max the god mode (80% resist), doing a 50 heat run, and just before the end of Hades you remove the god mode to pretend on the victory screen
hoary pasture
Oh didnt know you could do that
gaunt fiber
If you want your run to be on the leaderboard,yes
For unseeded you have to show your previous death too
honest kernel
victory screens dont get to be on the leaderboard yea
solar maple
there is a separate leaderboard for win screen only
but the main leaderboard requires a video, yes
kindred panther
omg hades... when he catches you with his lasers in all directions attack and it stuns you... instadeath. or near to it
halcyon flame
damn guess i'm never going on that leaderboard because the fps tanks hard when i try to record
mossy zinc
Have you tried using hardware encoding instead of software?
Uses your GPU to record instead of your CPU.
Should have less of a performance impact, typically.
celest grail
I think I got 45 down in a few tries and I am stuck for 2 days on 50 now
samee
celest grail
hardware encoding?
yeah, in obs theres a setting named encoder
also, turn down the bitrate
and video quality
quartz mantle
damn guess i'm never going on that leaderboard because the fps tanks hard when i...
Just use potato cam with your phone
quartz mantle
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do
kindred panther
what's a good build for rama on 32?
celest grail
arty attack
try to get aphro special to go for heartrend maybe, but you dont need it at all
if you get them, zeus and dio special are great
halcyon flame
yeah dc2 is free on rama
solemn pulsar
Zeus and dio special invalidate DC even more than aphro
But the weak from aphro is nice
Tbh idk if you need the huge damage from heart rend when Rama is already so chonky
kindred panther
my god I got lucky this run. I'll end up going into the hades fight using rama, with:
Arty attack purple lvl 4
aphro special purple
divine dash
zeus aid
hunting blades (purple cast)
heart rend
smoldering air
half life plus extra athena rez and 50% rez health from achilles in elysium
kindred panther
twin shot and explosive shot
mossy zinc
DOT or Lightning Bolts killing off trash mobs is more valuable than Weak on Special for Heart Rend. Besides, you don't need to apply Weak to every enemy for Heart Rend, you only need to apply it to the one that you actually hit Rama's Attack.
Passion Dash + Deadly Strike is a better combo for Heart Rend. You can still benefit from Hangover or whatever else on your Special.
It's not so much that Rama doesn't benefit a lot from Heart Rend but that using your Special to apply Weak has a high opportunity cost.
bright mango
^
solemn pulsar
Hangover and Zeus specials also have scaling with jolted/splitting/double strike/dio t2s/ curse of nausea/low tolerance depending on your build
Whereas aphro special only has sweet surrender and heart rend to scale with
mossy zinc
You could do Heartbreak Flourish + Drunken Dash, and then it would scale with Low Tolerance.
torn sluice
The Aphrodite+Zeus Duo seemed pretty good, is that not of any use endgame?
torn sluice
And that Clouded Judgement from Zeus, with the 10% God Gauge per hit, did I describe that right?
quartz mantle
Plus if you have billowing or second wind you can stack buffs easily
torn sluice
Is it actually 10% of the entire bar per hit or 10% of a single use
quartz mantle
10% more than what you would regularly charge
torn sluice
Oh, hm, still something I guess
quartz mantle
It wouldn’t work the way you described it anyways cause call charging is based on how much damage you’re dealing/taking
Not just the number of hits
bright mango
It is based on the number of hits
That’s why hestia and Arthur suck at call building
bright mango
Boiling/clouded change that
torn sluice
Speaking of Calls, is it wrong that I dislike Ares the most
torn sluice
Doom seems so, underwhelming
quartz mantle
His call sure is funny
torn sluice
Damage buffs? Everything else has it
But his call
His call is probably high up there for me
bright mango
His call doesn’t do doom
quartz mantle
You become a beyblade
torn sluice
Immunity + High DPS
torn sluice
I like his call for blending bosses, yes
bright mango
It’s just so short
celest grail
his call leaves me so vulnerable
torn sluice
I haven't tried them all out yet but Aphrodite's is probably my least favorite
Charm doesn't do much for bosses does it
bright mango
Not really
celest grail
i go near dad to dmg him, then it ends in a second and dad hits me for 50 dmg
bright mango
Exactly lol
torn sluice
Also Demeter's Cold Harvest had me wheezing
devout quiver
you can interrupt the lasers in dad fight w/ charm iirc
torn sluice
It helped my first clear
bright mango
you can interrupt the lasers in dad fight w/ charm iirc
Yes
Charm is a panic button for bosses
celest grail
ri2 ap2 hmm
torn sluice
Demeter's Cold Harvest seems invaluable. Being able to flat out eradicate bosses at 10%
mossy zinc
Or dio special and passion dash
Heartbreak Flourish + Drunken Strike.
bright mango
Yeah if you do RI1, might as well do RI2
torn sluice
You practically only need to fight them for 90%
celest grail
i have a hellmode file, i guess then i can just remove js i suppose
ive been having trouble with the timer already
quartz mantle
Heartbreak Flourish + Drunken Strike.
My favorite Rama build
celest grail
maybe i remove em3 LOL i keep dying to asterius as well
bright mango
RI1 hurts more than RI2
celest grail
i have 0 practice for em3 tbh
mossy zinc
The Aphrodite+Zeus Duo seemed pretty good, is that not of any use endgame?
That's what I do in like all my high heat runs more or less lol.
celest grail
probably need to make a save for it
mossy zinc
Smoldering Air is broken, and I love it. 💕
torn sluice
That's the duo right?
mossy zinc
Yes.
torn sluice
So far I've been favoring Cold Fusion
bright mango
I would make a save for the hades fight paper
torn sluice
Demeter+Zeus
torn sluice
Being able to Jolt them infinitely seems like free damage
That's damage I'll take, what with my dash spamming fighting
mossy zinc
maybe i remove em3 LOL i keep dying to asterius as well
Skip the first miniboss you see in Elysium, and you won't run into Asterius.
mossy zinc
Greatest Reflex is the boon. It's probably the best boon in the game, yeah.
torn sluice
I've got a lot of comments on everything in the game, and I only just started
My opinions might be wrong, sooo
Dionysus' cast, stupid fun and broken
Poms just buff it by like 40-60 damage per level, and enemies that walk into get stunned
That's so much crowd control for a single boon
edgy arrow
you mean hera
bright mango
Aspect of Athena?
celest grail
Skip the first miniboss you see in Elysium, and you won't run into Asterius. <:d...
asterius as in the boss fight
edgy arrow
there is no aspect of athena yeah
celest grail
i skip minibosses anyway
bright mango
I would make a save for the hades fight paper
@celest grail
edgy arrow
you skip minibosses?
bright mango
What
celest grail
you skip minibosses?
elysium
bright mango
That explains your timer problem
edgy arrow
that's... interesting lol
edgy arrow
even in ely
celest grail
me scared of asterius
edgy arrow
like, even asterius is way faster than a naked longswords room or whatever
celest grail
unless its athena/arty on hestia
torn sluice
Skip the first miniboss you see in Elysium, and you won't run into Asterius. <:d...
Hang on what
I can skip Asterius?
I thought it was random
edgy arrow
yeah you just don't choose the miniboss door
bright mango
Yeah asterius is normally faster than a normal elysium room with JS(I hope you’re taking this)
edgy arrow
its easy in elysium because no rooms have just one exit
bright mango
Yep
edgy arrow
even with JS0 i take minibosses
celest grail
ik minibosses are faster, i take them on speedruns
edgy arrow
asterius can be slow but butterfly ball is obviously still a time save
celest grail
but scary
bright mango
Butterfly ball is heaven
edgy arrow
but yeah the main benefit is when you're running JS, then its just really good for time
honestly my philosophy is that if i'm gonna die to asterius i probably wouldn't have made it out of elysium anyway
mossy zinc
You can skip him if there's a miniboss exit and a different exit. The next miniboss after that won't be Asterius. But you'll risk having to choose between miniboss and mid-shop or Patroclus and missing the miniboss in Elysium altogether.
edgy arrow
wait what
bright mango
This is ground breaking
edgy arrow
^
celest grail
ok so behind every door, theres a room
if you see the miniboss door that has the asterius room on it
and you dont take it
torn sluice
Someone bash me with the obvious because I don't even know what a miniboss door is
bright mango
and you dont take it
But we don’t know if the miniboss has asterius
torn sluice
Oh god the butterfly room
celest grail
yeah you dont
edgy arrow
okay but how in the world do you know if its gonna be asterius
unless you're routing or something
celest grail
this is also why if you see snakestone miniboss in styx, you cant get tiny vermin
because they both occupy the same room
bright mango
Yeah what we thought nyaanyaa said was that asterius is guaranteed not to come on the second door
edgy arrow
Someone bash me with the obvious because I don't even know what a miniboss door ...
skull is elite room, skull with chevron is miniboss room
torn sluice
Huh, okay then
celest grail
miniboss room will always have a boon on it except in styx
elite room will always have a blue laurel reward (keys, darkness, nectar etc)
mossy zinc
First one if there's only one will always be Asterius, from what I understand. And if you skip that one, you won't run into Asterius. That's what I read or heard recently, don't remember where, and that's how it's been working out for me since.
torn sluice
Oh boy, I feel like I'm going to poking at the heart of the volcano for this one, but
bright mango
First one if there's only one will always be Asterius, from what I understand. A...
THANK YOU
edgy arrow
First one if there's only one will always be Asterius, from what I understand. A...
this can't be true
mossy zinc
If there are two miniboss exits, there's no way of telling.
bright mango
I need to inform astaos
celest grail
i.. dont believe that
edgy arrow
i almost always take the first miniboss, and i get butterfly ball like 50/50
celest grail
i need to test this
torn sluice
What do I spend Darkness on? (And what do I NOT spend it on)
celest grail
for mirror?
torn sluice
In the Mirror, yes
bright mango
You might want to ask people at #h1-for-new-players
celest grail
^
edgy arrow
also i'm pretty sure there's never two miniboss exits
celest grail
this is a high heat channel
torn sluice
Solid
celest grail
also i'm pretty sure there's never two miniboss exits
nah there are
you can get both minibosses at once
torn sluice
I'll take it there
celest grail
you can get all three minibosses at once in aspho too
edgy arrow
either way, its definitely not true that the first one is always asterius
celest grail
not in tart since it doesnt have any 3 exit rooms
edgy arrow
oh wait yeah
mossy zinc
Yeah, this is basically the endgame channel for those of us who've done everything the game asks of us and are just pushing Heat to stupid heights to show our superiority for fun.
solemn pulsar
First one if there's only one will always be Asterius, from what I understand. A...
Whoa whoa whoa whoa
Whoa whoa whoa who
I must investigate
bright mango
Plz do
edgy arrow
yus pls
celest grail
and us too
mossy zinc
Hey, it might be wrong. I heard about it, and it's been working out for me, but I haven't done a large number of runs since.
celest grail
where'd ya read it?
edgy arrow
i mean, defs super useful if its true
celest grail
it'd be amazing for speedrunning too
especially rta
since asterius is a significant time loss
bright mango
On a side note, HC yesterday was epic
mossy zinc
If I remembered where, I'd link it lol.
celest grail
i cant watch HC because timezones :(
bright mango
Oof
edgy arrow
yeah timezones are the worst
celest grail
oh man i keep missing that
well, it was the last HC ever
edgy arrow
wait for real?
celest grail
HC is discontinuing
edgy arrow
huh
celest grail
yep
bright mango
Yeah
edgy arrow
guess stuff can't last forever
bright mango
edgy arrow
^mood
celest grail
Hermes Cup 4 - GRAND FINALE :Hermes: :Hermes: :Hermes:
Fri 9 April, 6pm EST
Hades races live on https://twitch.tv/Jerds_au3rd place match (3 Weapons race): Shiitak3 vs c_gull
3rd prize: $50USDGrand final (All Weapons race): duunk0 vs Ananke1
2nd prize: $100USD
1st prize: $200USD, Hermes Cup Champion trophyCommentators: Jerds, Haelian, Courtney Vineys (Voice: Dusa, Aphrodite), Andrew Marks (Voice: Hermes, Sisyphus)
Special interview: Greg Kasavin (Writer, Supergiant Games)Pull out the ambrosia because this Hermes Cup event is the grand finale - the last Hermes Cup event ever.
The Hermes Cup has been hosting Hades' premiere racing events during Early Access in July 2020, thanks to strong community support. Since then we've seen many amazing stories unfold. 58 racer entries showed their speed across the 4 cups and 3 champions have been crowned so far, not to forget the many special guests which joined us. It's been a great journey and a real honour to help bring the community together and create this content.
Hope to see you this Friday for the Grand Finale!
edgy arrow
i couldn't find as much time to watch it as i wanted, but it was a super cool thing
celest grail
heres jerds' message^^
mossy zinc
First of all, Lady Aphrodite was the star in last night's Hermes Cup.
bright mango
For sure
celest grail
obviously
solemn pulsar
crush shot MVP on my chaos run, that's for sure
bright mango
Lol yes
celest grail
also courtney was in a vc earlier in the speedrunning discord i think
like 12 hrs ago
solemn pulsar
yeah she was hanging out post HC
mossy zinc
Second, @solemn pulsar here did an amazing 3-weapons race.
celest grail
wait cgull, we dont even need to do any research. we can just watch any modded VOD that uses the miniboss indicator setting
solemn pulsar
@mossy zinc the room data for the two minibosses are the same. I don't think anything is different there
celest grail
and see if the first miniboss door they see is asterius
solemn pulsar
anecdotally i've definitely seen asterius in both the first and second midboss rooms
edgy arrow
yeah same
mossy zinc
Alright, so it just happened to work out then. Like when I tested if Jolted was a 50% chance to show up, and it somehow showed up every single time that run lol.
celest grail
(no spoilers for HC pls i havent watched it yet)
bright mango
Oops sorry
eternal hare
(no spoilers for HC pls i havent watched it yet)
||there were winners and losers, and the winners won winningly, and the losers are still winners in our hearts.||
edgy arrow
i don't think "cgull is a good speedrunner" counts as a spoiler personally
celest grail
woah
edgy arrow
oh man
celest grail
i don't think "cgull is a good speedrunner" counts as a spoiler personally
i felt spoilers coming, so warned beforehand
bright mango
The camel speaks the truth
edgy arrow
ocaml just spelling everything out
celest grail
ocaml can you pls spoiler tag that
edgy arrow
fair
eternal hare
😄
mossy zinc
Can you take the heat? Come chat strategies for taking on the underworld at its most hellish. Spoilers allowed.
See?
eternal hare
the bot is alive!
celest grail
LOL
edgy arrow
omg spoilers allowed?
mossy zinc
<@!311477984886521856> the room data for the two minibosses are the same. I don'...
Thanks for checking.
edgy arrow
btw darth vader is luke's father
mossy zinc
Maybe that should be a thing, though. Would be fun.
bright mango
How dare you
bright mango
^
edgy arrow
i use beowulf because its beowulf
mossy zinc
Most of us nowadays all of them lol.
celest grail
new game will be very different than end game
also, again, spoilers for you in this chat
edgy arrow
honestly use whichever one is fun
celest grail
^
bright mango
^
edgy arrow
you can push heat and speedrun with all of them
torn sluice
Interesting, so there's no favorites and they all have their unique perks then?
bright mango
Yes
eternal hare
whichever aspect clicks with you the most that you enjoy playing
you will get more mileage off of than whatever we tell you
torn sluice
Pretty good! That's what I'd like to hear
celest grail
all the weapons are pretty decently balanced tbh
torn sluice
I'm sure you guys will have your own personal favorites then
Yeah no I haven't even unlocked all the aspects yet
edgy arrow
i mean, there are certainly some that make dealing with heat easier than others
bright mango
all the weapons are pretty decently balanced tbh
gilgamesh
mossy zinc
A lot of high heat players still main 1-2 aspects, but at some point your fundamentals can just carry any aspect to a certain extent.
torn sluice
I maxed out Exagryph
edgy arrow
but like, you can still use the others
bright mango
I maxed out Exagryph
Which one?
torn sluice
Probably a mistake but eh
celest grail
if you like rail, invest in eris id say
torn sluice
Aspect of Zagreus
celest grail
pretty strong aspect
torn sluice
More ammo, I use the specials more for DPS anyways
celest grail
zag aspects of all the weapons are underwhelming id say
edgy arrow
eh, maxing zag aspects is cheap
celest grail
theyre good starting points
edgy arrow
wouldn't call it a mistake
celest grail
but not huge changes to the weapon
shy plinth
Zag bow ❤️
mossy zinc
You'll get enough Titan Blood to max all the aspects eventually. So I wouldn't worry about that. Just player whatever seems fun.
celest grail
zag bow and zag shield are the decent ones id say
edgy arrow
get spread fire on it and you're golden anyway
celest grail
oh that too^^
celest grail
yeah thats pretty much the ideal eris/rail build
edgy arrow
ah yes, cluster bombs
celest grail
cluster bombs+rocket bombs
edgy arrow
have you had cluster rockets yet?
shy plinth
Cluster rockets are glorious
torn sluice
It becomes a game of "When can I stand point blank to nuke them"
I have
It's so
God damn stupid
I love it
edgy arrow
for sure lmao
celest grail
try it with eris
edgy arrow
^
torn sluice
Triple Rockets are alright but holy crap cluster is so so so stupid
edgy arrow
eris is... eris
torn sluice
I cannot wait to roll Cluster with Hermes' Special Speed buff
mossy zinc
If you want to get into high heat fast, put all your Titan Blood into your best aspect, finish your bounties with it, and then you should have enough practice and knowledge of the aspect to push for 32, and then whatever else you want after that.
torn sluice
Although my Cluster run died at Hades because I bought the Anvil
mossy zinc
And you'll have Titan Blood to max out any other aspect you want to try out.
torn sluice
If you want to get into high heat fast, put all your Titan Blood into your best ...
I'll keep this in mind, thanks
Also, kinda disappointed there isn't a keepsake that gives more Hammers. (Right?)
celest grail
arty special + special speed + cluster rockets + 3 dashes, is probably the best boon luck you can get with eris
that keepsake would be broken lol
mossy zinc
If you spread yourself thin playing all the weapons and aspects evenly, you'll progress more slowly. But you'll have an understanding of all the aspects whenever you get into higher heat.
celest grail
also the game devs have said they wanna keep Daedalus a mysterius, vanished entity in the game
mossy zinc
Specialist vs Generalist.
celest grail
so a keepsake from him would be unnatural
edgy arrow
arty special + special speed + cluster rockets + 3 dashes, is probably the best ...
if we're talking perfect world, why do you want spec speed and dashes when you can have hyper delivery
mossy zinc
But specializing in one aspect will still teach you a lot of fundamentals if you push into high heat.
torn sluice
Makes sense. He's somewhere out there
celest grail
if we're talking perfect world, why do you want spec speed and dashes when you c...
according to lili, epic special speed and epic dashes are better than hyper delivery
edgy arrow
for real?
torn sluice
I thought Exagryph was OP until I realized it's biggest flaw
edgy arrow
idk if i even believe that lol
torn sluice
It cannot stagger opponents like every other weapon
celest grail
It cannot stagger opponents like every other weapon
yep
thats the thing that nerfs it
edgy arrow
i mean, its obviously true if lili says it is
celest grail
and the reload
torn sluice
The reload I don't mind
celest grail
i mean, its obviously true if lili says it is
in general as well, epic special speed and +3 dashes is pretty good on eris
torn sluice
Reload forces you to not go mindless. That way you'll keep pacing yourself
celest grail
matching common and id say even rare RD
torn sluice
Relocate and spray
mossy zinc
Epic Greatest Reflex is amazing for crossing big rooms quickly.
edgy arrow
i just would've through hyper delivery would be better, but i am small brain when it comes to eris
celest grail
@torn sluice reloading is bad on high heat when enemies are faster and can hit you pretty hard in the 0.5 seconds it takes you to reload
mossy zinc
You waste so much time getting anywhere with just Hyper Sprint, even at Epic.
celest grail
(idk how long it takes, thats just an estimate)
mossy zinc
Compared to Epic Greatest Reflex.
torn sluice
Hmm, then I might start these Bounty hunting with Varatha then
celest grail
yeah epic greatest reflex helps with mobility so much, especially in asphodel
@torn sluice have you unlocked heat?
mossy zinc
Damage is higher, but you lose time getting anywhere. That's basically the trade-off. And Cluster Rockets will one-shot most things anyway.
edgy arrow
yeah i can see it
torn sluice
Beat Hades once, and I saw the big fiery contract
torn sluice
I got the concept, haven't experienced it yet
edgy arrow
you've got the 75% gobal damage buff either way as well
celest grail
just keep trying out different aspects
id recommend going with the weapon that has the dark thirst
shy plinth
I liked 1 heat at a time on whatever weapon was glowing for like the first 20 heats
Went super slow
mossy zinc
You can collect bounties up to 20 Heat.
shy plinth
A lot of people here are god gamers and just jumped
edgy arrow
ridiculous hat innocently following darker thirst, then somehow he became a gilgamesh main
celest grail
also for the mirror, you wanna invest in dark foresight and fated persuasion at the bottom
shy plinth
NOTHING CAN STOP THE CLAW OKAY
mossy zinc
A lot of people here are god gamers and just jumped
No, they only did it because of our amazing tips.
edgy arrow
nothing can stop its special animation, that's for sure
mossy zinc
Us vets are the real goddess gamers.
mossy zinc
NOTHING CAN STOP THE CLAW OKAY
Actually, a lot of things can.
edgy arrow
i mean, honestly nyaanyaa you're right
shy plinth
That special animation is horrendous lol
Might as well buff my target's damage while I'm standing in front of it
edgy arrow
the main contributing factor in me pushing heat was joining this community lol
shy plinth
^^^
celest grail
i dont think ive ever maimed an enemy except for skelly
and i have like 3 whole gilgamesh clears
shy plinth
After I was here for a month I was like "ok I can totally do 32"
Was wrong
Then after two months I was like "I wonder about now"
And then I did it on every aspect
So just hang out here for two months
celest grail
i started speedrunning and high heat because of this discord tbh, i was gonna quit the game after 10 clears earlier
also didnt know about the epilogue
edgy arrow
i used to avoid maiming as well, then i watched Hadesprof's 50
he basically did it with just maim and almost nothing else
it was artistic, and i've been trying to emulate it when i play gilga ever since
i think it only works if you're Hadesprof
shy plinth
Hadesprof is a special person
I admire them but do not try to replicate
Same with Retrash and Magnil
edgy arrow
wise
shy plinth
Magnil's 8:17 with merciful end arthur still blows my mind
I want to watch that run so badly
edgy arrow
there's two kinds of really good play; the kind that makes you a better player just by watching it and the kind that causes a portion of your psyche to fall into the chaos dimension
mossy zinc
m somehow reminded of my first ever Gilgamesh run at 33 Heat with JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 and being like this weapon is so slow, it sucks 
after because I timed out like 10 times in Tartarus before I got it.
shy plinth
That pact ew
celest grail
first heat you ever took
shy plinth
Or TD1
solemn pulsar
i think I added CP1 or TD1 first
celest grail
i went cf1 the moment i saw it
solemn pulsar
because it was "new content"
celest grail
then someone told me to try td
solemn pulsar
i added EM + CP lol
edgy arrow
i actually don't think i just did one point the first time tho
solemn pulsar
then TD
edgy arrow
not sure
celest grail
ohok the madman, started his 2nd run ever with 32 heat
mossy zinc
i am shocked
That was back when I still practically played nothing but Malphon, so that pact was my litmus test for Gilgamesh. I used JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 on every Malphon run at the time for the fun.
edgy arrow
i mean, fair
shy plinth
...why
edgy arrow
pity gilga isn't a real fists aspect tho
shy plinth
It's weird that they made 5 fist aspects and that was the last one
devout quiver
speaking of, what was your guys' first heat?
I think it was JS1 for me.
"More enemies means I get more gold, right"
edgy arrow
i took an absurdly long time to turn on even TD1
it wasn't even just irrational fear
i actually did just play slowly enough it was a bad idea
celest grail
It's weird that they made 5 fist aspects and that was the last one
5..?
celest grail
LOL
edgy arrow
how is zag shield a fists aspect lol
shy plinth
I dunno about you but I'm dash striking constantly with that thing
devout quiver
I don't think I turned on TD until after i beat EM4 for the first time
shy plinth
Yeah it's a good fists aspect
edgy arrow
lmao
celest grail
I don't think I turned on TD until after i beat EM4 for the first time
wtf
edgy arrow
guess i can't argue with that
devout quiver
I was just doing +1 heat
shy plinth
I used to think bow had the biggest variance between aspect playstyle
But I think it's probs shield
They're all so different
devout quiver
didn't turn it on until Fists heat 11 lol
celest grail
yeah defo shield
mossy zinc
I dunno about you but I'm dash striking constantly with that thing
You're not resetting for Pulverizing Blow or Charged Shot? Do we play the same aspect?
edgy arrow
shields are all basically completely different weapons
edgy arrow
uh oh
mossy zinc
Wow, I don't know you anymore. 
celest grail
zag shield, attack only
chaos, bull rush then special
zeus, special and attack
beo, lol the enemies are already dead
edgy arrow
i think saying that is the same as challenging Nyaanyaa to pistols at dawn
shy plinth
I asked Lady Aphrodite and she said she was busy hanging out with you
edgy arrow
one of you has to die now
mossy zinc
shy plinth
I didn't want to impose
celest grail
nya whats with this image you use all the time
halcyon flame
i'm sorry but no pulverizing blow on zag shield? HERESY
celest grail
guys does ME on zag shield work
mossy zinc
What about it? It's Queen Cleopatra.
celest grail
i wanna try it
edgy arrow
i like the pulv blow on beo strat
mossy zinc
It's also me sometimes.
edgy arrow
its bad but i found a niche for it
shy plinth
I mean to be clear I'm not opposed to pulverizing blow
edgy arrow
yeah just resetting is a pain
shy plinth
I also do not pull a lot of zag shield
edgy arrow
what am i a pro speedrunner? i only reset if i didn't get sea storm on chiron
shy plinth
🙃
edgy arrow
(don't play sea storm chiron folks)
shy plinth
What has this channel become
devout quiver
i don't mind pulv on beo, specifically dio beo.
It's fine for random trash mobs while stygian is recharging
edgy arrow
(i have taken this burden so you don't have to)
i mean, yeah you can use pulv a little on beo, you just wanna be very aware of when its useful to you and when its a distraction
halcyon flame
(don't play sea storm chiron folks)
me when somebody gets 6:17 igt with sea storm chiron
edgy arrow
its definitely one of the less useful hammers, but its not like dashing flight or whatever
its main niche is when you're running RI4 imo
tho RI4 beo is arguable a niche that shouldn't exist
shy plinth
You just gotta get tempest strike
edgy arrow
lmao
then just don't use special
maximum meme content
poseidon attack only sea storm chiron
make sure to avoid tidal dash at all costs
halcyon flame
i still can't get over the fact that the best chiron igt time is 6:17 and the build was sea storm
edgy arrow
i thought my brain melted when bablo did that chaos run
turns out there was some left to melt
devout quiver
SS chiron just seems like... y not just cut to the chase and get zooz special
edgy arrow
idk if i'll ever properly process 6:17 igt chiron
halcyon flame
you'd think that if it is possible with chiron, it'd be heart rend
but no
it's sea storm
edgy arrow
i mean, it would actually be worse with zeus special
tempest flourish on chiron is actually alright
halcyon flame
i mean tempest flourish does have wave pounding
edgy arrow
not top tier, but its okay
yeah there's that as well
the thing that makes it funny is a) sea storm is an inherently hilarious boon don't @ me and b) its basically a strictly inferior heart rend build
the reason it works, of course, is tidal dash
and the fact that tidal dash is the bread and butter of chiron speedrunning should tell you a lot about the aspect
halcyon flame
tidal dash hard carry
edgy arrow
yup
halcyon flame
tbf every ranged weapon might as well use tidal dash
edgy arrow
loads of stuff can use it, the difference is that with chiron its worth going out of your way to get it first rather than bother with anything that has direct synergy with the aspect
its a classic on eris as well, but no one's taking it instead of lightning strike
celest grail
you'd think that if it is possible with chiron, it'd be heart rend
magnil has said that heartrend chiron is still better than sea storm
its just that he went for sea storm on that run because he naturally got it
halcyon flame
yeah you don't say
celest grail
lol
halcyon flame
its a classic on eris as well, but no one's taking it instead of lightning strik...
who is even going for tempest strike on eris?
celest grail
i think he means tidal dash
celest grail
tidal dash eris start is.. ok?
halcyon flame
monkey brain moment
celest grail
but the lack of zeus on eris makes me vomit
edgy arrow
yeah that's my point; no one's starting tidal dash on eris
people start tidal dash on chiron
celest grail
yeah
halcyon flame
tidal dash start on eris is... why
celest grail
chiron and achilles are pretty common tidal dash starters
celest grail
just seed for epic dash floor 1, epic strike floor 2
might as well seed for a 4:23 routed WR
halcyon flame
how exactly is tidal dash start ideal for achilles?
celest grail
aoe to deal with tart enemies
halcyon flame
i shouldn't be questioning it since it got me 10:53 but how exactly is it best
oh, that makes sense
celest grail
and it gives you the freedom of choosing between arty and zeus attack based on what you get in tart
if you get aphro second god, you can go arty attack
halcyon flame
that same run i wanted to go for deadly strike but i got "vorime'd" and had to settle for lightning strike
only for arty to just hijack ares' spot in my god pool and i couldn't even get deadly strike at that point
she did give me epic support fire which isn't much but on flurry jab it was nice