h1-high-heat-strategies

[bright mango]

FO2

Duh

[eager vortex]

yea I will fail that

[bright mango]

Are you using em4 for your beo 50?

[eager vortex]

I absolutely

suck at beo

I can't get past lernie at 50

[bright mango]

Are you using em4 tho?

[eager vortex]

no

[bright mango]

Wat

Wait you’re actually going RI2

FOR BEO?

[eager vortex]

RI2 AP2 EM4

I mean

EM3

[bright mango]

That’s your pact?

[eager vortex]

yea I tried beo with ri2 ap2 em3

[bright mango]

Ok quite cursed

You want to do em4

[eager vortex]

[patent isle]

got to lernie in 6 minutes then perished

FO2 kind of is a wake up slap after not doing it for a while

[bright mango]

Em4 fight is way easier with beo

Just block everything

It’s not easy by any means, but plz don’t do AP2 and RI2

[eager vortex]

ap2 ri2 worked good for hestia and I didn't change it afterwards

so ri2 is bad with beo ?

[bright mango]

Yes

So is AP2

[true fable]

AP1 RI0 is ideal for beowulf

[bright mango]

^

And max JS CP

[true fable]

ive been taking AP2 RI0 for my 54 heat attempts

pengy how close are you to 6x45

[bright mango]

Eh two done

I only seriously started thinking about it today

I was just messing around with guan yu

It wasn’t really ever a goal of mine

But it’s just kinda happening

Wait no 3 done

Forgot about hestia

[solar maple]

RI is insanely bad for beo

I tried some 50 heat with RI2 for speedruns a while back, and my wr was very low (never finished a run, either reset to pace or died -- lots of deaths)

[bright mango]

RI is just bad no matter what

But especially beo

[unique zephyr]

I am trying 40 heat stuff now, may try for 5 x 40 (only have Hestia done right now)

Sword stinky which is why it’s not 6 x 40

[patent isle]

sword stinky

[solar maple]

sword is fun

[solemn pulsar]

For 6x50 I’m thinking trade sword for flurry jab Achilles

And fists for spread fire zag rail lol

[true fable]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

People are starting to open their eyes on Guan Yu

It's the perfect time to be alive

[true fable]

i tried today

both attempts died in aspho

one was charged skewer

other was serrated

[gaunt fiber]

RI2?

[bronze viper]

50 or 45?

[true fable]

ri2

50 heat GY

[bright mango]

Does special speed make your special charge up faster?

I feel like it does

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

It's prolly the best hermes boon for GY

[bright mango]

Ok yeah

Got epic special speed

Zoomin

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

The dps increase is amazing

[bright mango]

I was hoping for rush delivery and got this

Not complaining

Why is this aspect so scary

I’m one shot

The entire frickin game

[gaunt fiber]

Because sometimes

You have like an amazing firepower

You delete everything

But you still die if a foe sneezes

[bright mango]

Exactly

Lol

Also traps suck

One trap and I am now in dying zone

[eager vortex]

I keep getting to hades with arthur at 45 then failing

any tips for this

he's 2fast4 my arthur

[bright mango]

Well if you made it to hades that’s pretty good

What’s your pact?

[eager vortex]

sec

hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ri2 td3

[solemn pulsar]

You could try a cursed fo1 pact

With ap1 and js3

[bright mango]

Tbh RI2 is probably not the worst for arthur

I’m still in shock of latts 50 heat FO1 pact

[eager vortex]

my problem is I can't dodge hades cuz arthur hits slow

I don't have this problem

with any other aspect

[gaunt fiber]

I have the same problem

[solemn pulsar]

Try fo1 then

[gaunt fiber]

I'll work on that

[bright mango]

You could probably get away with FO1 at 45

[solemn pulsar]

Not at 50

[eager vortex]

na I'm doing 45

[solemn pulsar]

Not possible without em4

At 50

[bright mango]

Shoot meant to type 45

[solemn pulsar]

Yeah js3 and ap1 gets you to fo1

[gaunt fiber]

I would say it's worth to practice the fight a bit to see what kind of swings are good

[solemn pulsar]

Idk why you’re not on ap1 already

[bright mango]

Yeah AP1 is fine with arthur

I take AP1 with any weapon at 45

[unique zephyr]

...Beat Theseus an Asterius on Hades spear 40! Maybe this will be the run?

[eager vortex]

prolly cuz I'm using ri2 lol

[bright mango]

Yay

Bacchus

I think you can get away with RI2 on arthur

I’m still hesitant with it on most other weapons, but if it works for you that’s great

[eager vortex]

js3 fo1 ap1

could work maybe

slower hades

[solemn pulsar]

No CP either

One point in that instead of JS could work

[eager vortex]

oh right cp1 yes

[solemn pulsar]

Bc you’re over killing normal enemies a lot

[bright mango]

I would go JS3 over CP1

But cgull has a point

But they said hades was their problem

CP isn’t going to help

[eager vortex]

or I can just nemesis

instead of arthur

[bright mango]

But aotw...

[solemn pulsar]

Idk if that spreads here as well

Sometimes it comes over

Sometimes not

[bright mango]

I mean they’re on the speedrunning discord

I thought they were talking about aotw

[eager vortex]

wat's aotw

[bright mango]

You’re on the speedrunning discord right?

Check pinned messages in #any heat

[eager vortex]

oh no no I wasn't even aware of that

[bright mango]

Its pretty cool

There’s a leaderboard and everything

[eager vortex]

I have sub10 with any heat arthur

tho

[bright mango]

Well do it again

And it might make it on the leaderboard

[eager vortex]

doubt sub10 is good enough

for that discord

[bright mango]

People hate arthur

[eager vortex]

it's great imo

[bright mango]

Although you might be right

[eager vortex]

except for high heat hades

[bright mango]

Ive seen a few sub 10 arthurs

[bright mango]

There’s also a heat leaderboard

[eager vortex]

both nya and I have sub10 arthur !

[bright mango]

That’s the only one I even attempt to try and get on

[eager vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/829125781677932555/hadesss37.png

[bright mango]

Noice

Can’t submit old runs unfortunately

[eager vortex]

I gotta admit

that's lame

[bright mango]

Nah

Not really

[eager vortex]

I mean you have achieved it already

[unique zephyr]

Got the spear 40 clear!!!!

[bright mango]

Forces you to play the aspect more

[gaunt fiber]

Congrats Bacchus

[bright mango]

That’s what aotw is about

[gaunt fiber]

That's huge

Knew you could do it

[bright mango]

Despite what nyaanyaa said

[patent isle]

congrats!!

[unique zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/829126371115925564/unknown.png

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

[mossy zinc]

Hm?

[bright mango]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

I know what you’re saying there

But just kinda take one line out of context

“If he was good enough to clear 40, he'd have done so by now. ” -Nyaanyaa Mewmew

[patent isle]

does beo pref fiery

also i should avoid dc on beo right

or is dash wall strike good enough to be ok with dc2

[honest kernel]

Beo can take DC. doesn't like it too much, but it can deal with it

And when not running DC, you want fiery presence 100%

Makes Tartarus a whole lot easier

[patent isle]

gotcha ty

[solar maple]

DC is the biggest time loss of any of the pacts (other than RI LOL)

so if you are at all worried about timer, don't take any DC

I also just find DC really annoying to play with, so I basically always do DC0 until ~52 heat

[patent isle]

wow even CP?

for the time loss :0

wow i died to meg for the first time in 100 runs 🥴 fo2 has me feeling some kind of way

[solar maple]

yes DC is a way bigger time loss than CP imo

same with JS

though CP2 does make bosses harder, which isn't really a problem for beo until em4, which can be tough

[eager vortex]

arthur works juz fine with dc2 ok

tested n verified

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/829143709878583367/unknown.png I got the tooth + athena DD bug... I would have been so mad if I lost because of that

[solar maple]

just fyi, with DC fiery does nothing

so if you do decide to take that evil pact in the future, take backstab

[eager vortex]

okay I didn't know that

[solar maple]

yeah it counts breaking the dc heart as "damaged"

[eager vortex]

ty I'll take backstab from now on if I pick dc

(which is kinda meh for arthur but better than nothing)

also cthonic would be better instead of dark regen too I guess, right

I just don't care about the mirror seems like

[patent isle]

wait does delta chamber just make hestia useless

[solar maple]

well with lc4 neither do anything

[eager vortex]

nah

you can still reload

oh right cthonic won't work with lc4 either yea

tho I think it's kinda weird that dc counts as damage taken

[gaunt fiber]

Are you sure about that pseudo

[eager vortex]

[gaunt fiber]

The DC thing I mean

[solemn pulsar]

? Backstab is great on Arthur

[gaunt fiber]

I mean DC is the pact I run the least lol

[solemn pulsar]

Fiery is Meg

Meh

[eager vortex]

I always thought

backstab is good with faster weapons

better*

[solemn pulsar]

Arthur is weird because its hits aren’t equal damage

So your fiery presence might be wasted on a small bit

[solar maple]

I heard it from cgull

so 50/50 on it being true tbh

also I'm pretty sure I've tested it haha

[patent isle]

does vicious skewer apply universal +50% crit or just attack

[solemn pulsar]

Never listen to me I’m always wrong

Vicious skewer is only crit chance on the return of the special

Right?

It suuuuucks

[solemn pulsar]

The DC thing is true I think yeah

[mossy zinc]

It is.

[kindred panther]

For those that have cleared 32 every aspect, which did you find to be the hardest?

or for those that have cleared most aspects 32, which ones can you just not seem to clear

[mossy zinc]

Nemesis and Zag Sword, I suppose? I dunno, when I got around to it, I just one-shot it, I think.

[kindred panther]

one shot what?

[patent isle]

the game

[solar maple]

of the 40 heat weapons I've tried guan yu has been toughest. But I haven't tried every aspect

far from it

it comes down to personal comfort with the aspects for the most part though

[bright mango]

Guan yu 40 was the easiest for me

[solar maple]

I've only tried 40 on nem, hades spear, dem fists and tried guan yu (not including my 50s) oh and beo lol

nem/dem I got first try, hades took ~3 attempts, and I haven't done GY yet

[shy plinth]

Zag sword and GY

I think I got fairly lucky with zag spear

Zag rail also took me quite a bit

[true fable]

idk

i think gy can be hard

hades spear can be deceptively hard

but its personal imo

[shy plinth]

I was bad at GY beforehand

Still am lol

Like I dunno 32 isn't particularly different

The hardest weapon is the one you're least comfortable with

[bright mango]

Yeah I didnt read the whole thing

And yes I completely agree

[eager vortex]

stupid tiny vermin is harder than hades

[eager vortex]

luckily it barely appears

[kindred panther]

I dunno about that....

oops

[bright mango]

I would think hades is harder than vermin

[hearty onyx]

The vermin's more annoying

[bright mango]

Sure

I agree

[final pasture]

vermin have never been a problem for me

probably bc i use hades spear so i can just spin attack them

[solemn pulsar]

If there was only a 1/5 chance to see hades too, he’d be more annoying

Might be 1/8 actually, not sure exactly how miniboss spawns work

Since room is decided first and vermin and snake stone share one

[hearty onyx]

Hades EM4 but he summons Styx minibosses too

Then you get 3 tiny vermins

[honest kernel]

oh god no

PLEASE

Everything but THAT

[vital grove]

Only 3?

At least 10

But Cerberus eats them

[bright mango]

That’s like even worse than sneak

[devout quiver]

I've gotten triple mega gorgon in EM4 before.
kinda aids, ngl.

[kindred panther]

Honestly, I run into more trouble killing those ooze-spooging rats if too many of em spawn at once, leaving poison all over the place

that or the stupid green fluffballs that shoot lasers at you can knock down your health super quick if you forget to pause and scratch your nose at the wrong second hehe

But there's nothing I hate worse than shielded witches.

[unique zephyr]

So a question for when I push above 40: is JS2 or JS1 + CP1 worse time wise and also ease of clear? I’m guessing adding CP1 but want to make sure

[bright mango]

I’m a JS3 gamer

[unique zephyr]

How often is TD3 a problem for you

[bright mango]

With JS3 and AP1 I can normally have a powerful enough build to counter TD3

[true fable]

CP1 is worse

[bright mango]

I can’t stand CP

[ember bronze]

32 every aspect, I think my last was Lucifer, but I wanted to save something other than Zag to end with

[bright mango]

I’ve tried it once for 52 hestia and CP just made everything bad

[ember bronze]

wasn't sure I'd bother with Zag aspects for a while

I saw that 50 run is Hestia/Shackle--is that a popular thing in general?

[bright mango]

Yes

[wintry berry]

My 51 heat Hestia run was with Shackle

[ember bronze]

down in the 30s, or up near 50 when you're dealing AP/RI more

so have to deal with lack of decent boons?

[wintry berry]

AP2 doesn't secure an attack boon spot

[bright mango]

I normally start shackle even though I’m stupidly lucky with getting attack boons

My 51 was deadly strike + Hunter dash👀

[wintry berry]

and when i don't want an attack boon i get drunken strike

[bright mango]

Curse of agony for me

[ember bronze]

Is Shackle typically AP2 mitigation/synergy?

[bright mango]

I like shackle for ap2

I don’t use it otherwise outside of boonless

[wintry berry]

When I have more chance of not having the boon I want, especially at room 1, shackle is something I can consider.

[ember bronze]

But below super high heat with AP2, you'd rather just start Deadly Strike

[wintry berry]

I can start with Arty keepsake with AP2, but I don't want to reset so much

[unique zephyr]

What’s the highest heat where you don’t have to reset? I’m glad I don’t have to reset at 40

Although when I have bad luck I generally die anyway

[wintry berry]

When I still have AP1 and RI0

[unique zephyr]

I feel like I’ll have to learn EM4 to keep AP and RI off at higher heat

EM4 with stubborn defiance is rough though

[wintry berry]

With EM4 and TD3, you need to clear biomes faster than with EM3

to build enough time for EM4

[ember bronze]

I want to practice EM4 more (I've done a couple EM4 FO2 wins lately), but to actually try to succeed at 30-40, I play without it

What's popular with Poseidon Sword?

[unique zephyr]

Phalanx Shot

[ember bronze]

Phalanx and Parting?

[unique zephyr]

Go for lightning phalanx

[ember bronze]

ah

[patent isle]

congrats!!

[ember bronze]

sorry this was some months ago, I was just responding to questions 😛

I should do 40 every weapon, but I just don't have stuff I like on Sword/Spear

Need to find some so I play them

Poseidon is fun and unique

Kind of like Hades, but really messy with FO

[unique zephyr]

How fun was 32 all aspects?

Hades spear was fun for 40 heat, took me over 40 tries though

I found hades spear all right with FO for 40, the mini spins come out pretty fast

[true fable]

have you tried explosive launcher hades spear hamlette

its pretty fun

[mossy zinc]

m surprised people struggle with Hades Aspect.

[true fable]

whys that?

its not that good

[wintry berry]

I find Hades aspect ok, not great not terrible

[unique zephyr]

That was less me struggling with the aspect and more me struggling with 40 heat to be fair

[mossy zinc]

I one-shot 41 back in Early Access with it and just figured out how to play it on the fly. Like that was maybe my second time using it.

It's just spin and hit things with your Attack.

[unique zephyr]

I wish I could one shot high heat but I’m not nearly there yet skill wise lol

[mossy zinc]

Hmm. I suppose it was better comparatively to a bunch of other aspects then.

Like, bow hadn't been buffed yet.

[unique zephyr]

Speaking of bow I’m deciding between aphro and arty attack for zag bow for 40

[mossy zinc]

Obviously, you should take the Eternal Rose.

[wintry berry]

My first 40 heat zag bow was with heartbreak strike

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike, Tidal Dash, Sweet Nectar is so good.

Heartbreak Strike, Hunter Dash, Heart Rend is also great.

[ember bronze]

32 all aspects is fun, it makes you really explore and solidify your 32 ability

Zag aspects are just kind of plain

Hades spear was fun when I finally tried it as part of that

Learning to dash in and out of spins was the only real thing

but it's easy to spin everything on FO0, FO2 is messy

[unique zephyr]

I like zag bow a lot

Out of the bow aspects

Rama is better but I need to get used to rama

[unique zephyr]

Why obviously? What makes artemis vs Aphrodite better on a weapon?

[devout quiver]

Aphro on weapons that need help oneshotting trash mobs, Arty on weapons that don't need the help

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite is always the correct choice.

[honest kernel]

hades spear was pretty easy for me on 40, hardest were zag sword and gilgamesh (fists in general) by far

[true fable]

to note, youd need true shot or deadly flourish to unlock heart rend

[ember bronze]

Lady Athena really does have a good case for best girl

[mossy zinc]

Indeed. I just generally assume regulars in this channel know requirements, so I didn't spell it out.

[unique zephyr]

I look at the codex frequently anyway when going for duos and in general for making decisions

[dire steppe]

I got a new mouse for RSI reasons and learning the new controls for hades is like

I feel like a baby again

Learning to walk

Or in this case to dash

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that'll take awhile. But you're still way ahead of somebody who's just starting to learn Hades.

And you'll be better off in the long run.

[dire steppe]

https://prnt.sc/1168ivm

a gift for my return to hades

[mossy zinc]

What is up with those colors?

[dire steppe]

blue light filter

[mossy zinc]

You stepped in magma so much, your screen is magma now.

[celest grail]

god thats a harsh blue light filter

[unique zephyr]

Aphrodite attack start feels so much better with zag bow

i reliably one shot more things

instead of praying for a crit

[bronze viper]

Yeah, it is generally better until you get Twin Shot, since your base damage doubles and your crit variance decreases. I much prefer Deadly in that case. Also Hunter's Mark is nuts on Zag Bow.

[unique zephyr]

I see. How good is Flurry Shot on Zag bow?

is the faster speed worth not having power shots?

Not taking it over twin or point blank shot or triple

but if the only other 2 are special hammers is flurry shot good or actively detrimental

[true fable]

its amazing

esp in combination with twin or triple

[unique zephyr]

do I have to play a lot differently when I have it?

or mostly the same?

[mossy zinc]

Just try it.

[unique zephyr]

Trying it and it's really good so far

Took a bit to unlearn the charge shot muscle memory

[solar maple]

flurry does feel different but is really strong

I'm even worse at aiming with it though LOL

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/04829bb471b4fb920828298538a33dc1 Slidin'

lmao

[hoary pasture]

61 👀

[honest kernel]

I think this happend to me once too

[celest grail]

was it before or after the latest pc update

because baj suspects that the latest patch broke something

[mossy zinc]

Ugh, I can't get anything resembling a build out of Tartarus with CF1 AP1 at 40 on Malphon, and High Confidence to speed things up basically doesn't exist—one Chaos Gate, and you'll never get it back.

[true fable]

are you trying to do sub 10?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[bright forum]

good luck :D

[true fable]

and you refuse ME i presume?

[mossy zinc]

Indeed.

[true fable]

hmm

ah

eternal rose start?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah high confidence at 40 is worthless

[honest kernel]

idk it was super long ago probably pre 1.0

[true fable]

passion dash start maybe?

or flourish

[mossy zinc]

Flourish, yes.

I had no trouble at 32, but CF1 AP1 just kills it. I can barely make it out of Tartarus sub 3 with no rerolls and like a common Curse of Agony or something lol.

Common Curse of Agony might as well have 0 damage.

[true fable]

its quite sad yeah

think you can only accept lightning strike

[mossy zinc]

Epic Curse of Agony can be fine, too.

[true fable]

can be

needs dire IMO

if you arent running ME

[mossy zinc]

Curse of Longing does work.

[true fable]

does it now

couldve fooled me

[mossy zinc]

Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper kills most things with DOT after that. It's very nice.

I go for Thunder Signet in Asphodel either way.

[gaunt fiber]

Today's goal : submitting all my 50 heat runs

[bright mango]

Hehe

[bronze viper]

Worth checking if any of them randomly got good times on SRC too lol

[solemn pulsar]

The SRC 50 heat board is the funniest thing

It’s like 5 actual speedruns

Mostly records of clears

And then tailesque and hadesprof’s repository

[eternal hare]

turns out just clearing 50-heat is hard enough on its own

[bronze viper]

Nah, it's just a lot of the players in this discord haven't bothered loading the ~100 50+ runs on our leaderboard to SRC. Also Bright would probably die from boredom lmao

[ashen garnet]

Had my 41 Talos with Curse of Longing, it's surprisingly good and doesn't betray Lady Aphrodite.
ME Stinky btw

[honest kernel]

this discord just flexin on speedrun.com

[eager vortex]

interesting

I haven't had a problem clearing 45 with arthur (well, except hades)

I'm struggling with demeter

interesting

[honest kernel]

fists are pretty hard imo but thats my opinion ✨

or just do ME I guess

I actually didnt do ME fists so I dont know how much easier that makes it

[eager vortex]

I'm ashamed to say

I forgot what me is

[honest kernel]

merciful end

[eager vortex]

ohhhh

[honest kernel]

fists are rly good at procing it constantly

[solar maple]

I found arthur easier than dem as well

I hate fists

[eager vortex]

kinda falls short after 40 I guess idk

arthur seems very viable for 40+

but yes I think me could work

[solar maple]

the hades fight gets pretty tricky at very high heat

I just got 1000 hp and turned my brain off though LOL

for arthur

still haven't cleared with dem

[eager vortex]

fo1 is manageable, that's how I did it like we talked yday

[honest kernel]

imagine having to stay point blank near hades the entire fight to do dmg :)

[eager vortex]

I've been trying to clear 45 with dem

since yday

been hours

[hearty onyx]

Isn't that what point blank shot and triple shot do on the bow

[eager vortex]

failing as of yet

[solar maple]

yeah I'm real bad at bosses with fists

[honest kernel]

but bow is cool

also tbh even w point blank shot bow still has more range than fists

[bronze viper]

At least Long Knuckle exists

[eager vortex]

long knuckle helps

[bronze viper]

If only sword had a hammer that made it easy

[solar maple]

sword is better at bosses than fists

do not @ me

[bronze viper]

Maybe non Dem fists. Empowered special burst is op for bossing

[hoary pasture]

@solar maple

[shy plinth]

@solar maple

[eager vortex]

explosive upper makes bosses not bad

[solar maple]

[celest grail]

i was lurking in chat and thought of pinging pseudo because he said dont @ me

[shy plinth]

Merciful end fists > Sword > other fists

[celest grail]

but then i decided, nah someone else will do it

and others did

[bronze viper]

The circle of life

[solar maple]

yeah I should probably just cave and do ME

it took me a while to do that for speedruns though lmao

[eager vortex]

I'm doing heart rend demeter now

[shy plinth]

Like fists without athena dash are pretty rough

[celest grail]

i reset for ME 3 hours a day

dont recommend doing it

at all

[shy plinth]

But you should have athena dash because you should do ME

[bronze viper]

I usually just do boring Zeus/Artemis/Athena for fists

[honest kernel]

dio fists are actually kindof sick

[celest grail]

^

[solar maple]

speedruns scarred me on ME fists though

[celest grail]

i cleared 32 heat with dio fists

it was so fun

[hoary pasture]

Zeus Aphro smolder

[shy plinth]

Ooh dio fists

That does sound entertaining

[solar maple]

I was going for sub 9 and didn't get 2 sack the first 9 times I got to styx on pace

[hoary pasture]

[celest grail]

i could just punch like 5 times and run away from enemies

[solar maple]

ended up getting it on a 3 sack the 9th time

[celest grail]

empty dashing all the time

[shy plinth]

Empty dashes are OP

[eager vortex]

well td3

[solar maple]

td3 is still a lot of time

[honest kernel]

I did dio fists on 40 with TD3 it worked

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-what-mariah-carey-gif-8088497

[celest grail]

same^^ except on 32

[bronze viper]

That's why I like Zeus attack/Aphro special lol. Smoldering Air enabled maximum cowardice

[unique zephyr]

Watching Tails really helps me up my dash game

[eager vortex]

when you are saying fists

are you talking about demeter

[unique zephyr]

Sword is better at dying to bosses you mean

[celest grail]

watching tail makes me all inspired to do high heat runs, then i die in c3 and go back to speedruns

[bronze viper]

Lol, yeah, generally. As the base 3 are extremely similar and Gilgamesh is not worth the conversation

[shy plinth]

RUDE

[solar maple]

I'm mostly just memeing because I'm absolutely awful at fists

[honest kernel]

any fists except gilga bc they are all the same in the eyes of dio , zeus and me

[eager vortex]

yea kinda guessed so

[shy plinth]

As this channel's resident gilga main

...yes you are right

[celest grail]

...gilga

main??

[shy plinth]

I know

[celest grail]

why

[solar maple]

fists took me way longer to sub 9 than rama bow haha. And I'm not good at rama

[shy plinth]

We exist

Because it's fun

[honest kernel]

[celest grail]

why would you ever torture yourself

..fun?

is that what you call it

[shy plinth]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

Old screenshot but

Nothing can stop the claw

Except for not hitting ME in tartarus

That can stop it

[bronze viper]

Wow, Gilgamesh, Chiron, Arthur

somone likes punishment

[celest grail]

gilga's short dashes make me puke

[shy plinth]

Arthur is legit

[celest grail]

ikr, you're like magnil but for high heat

[eager vortex]

but chiron is 👌

[shy plinth]

I have moved off of Chiron

Loool

My favorite bow at this point I think is... Zag?

It's so fast

[eager vortex]

I cleared 45 with chiron, doubt I could do it with rama

cuz I'm bad

[celest grail]

i want to like zag bow, but it gets so repetitive

[shy plinth]

It does

[bronze viper]

Yeah, Zag bow I find very hard to focus in for a long run

[celest grail]

pressing one button a thousand times hurts my fingers

[shy plinth]

Explosive shot artemis is really enjoyable though

[bronze viper]

Especially if I get like Saviour Bruiser Greatshields or something

Ain't no one got time or mental bandwidth for that

[celest grail]

i havent ever taken explosive with zag i think, need to try that

[shy plinth]

It's quite good

I think Ledger said it was one of his top 3 zag bow hammers

[bronze viper]

It is yeah

[shy plinth]

Twin and flurry also very strong

[bronze viper]

Twin > Triple > Explosive

[shy plinth]

Oh yeah

Triple too

[bronze viper]

I like it as much as Flurry

[eager vortex]

zag aspects are kinda boring tho, basic stat upgrades

[bronze viper]

Zag Shield kinda lolsy though

[shy plinth]

Zag shield is a fist don't @ me

[bronze viper]

What's a shield? Is this not the actual base aspect of Stygius?

[eager vortex]

see everyone agrees

[bronze viper]

Zag shield not boring though. Zag Rail also gets Spread Fire memes

[solar maple]

zag shield is just beo without the casts

[unique zephyr]

Zag bow is distinct from the other bows at least

[shy plinth]

Zag shield is just chiron without the special

And melee instead of ranged

[unique zephyr]

You have zag bow, slow bow, cast bow, good bow

[shy plinth]

And with a block

[bronze viper]

This hurt my brain

[shy plinth]

Tbh it's not really very much like chiron

[eager vortex]

zag is basically eris with more ammo if you don't stay inside your bombs

[unique zephyr]

I haven’t played much zag shield but it seems like they’re safer fists

[bronze viper]

Definitely not... safe lol

[shy plinth]

@bronze viper beo is just lucifer except the ramping damage hits all at once

[bright mango]

I had a lot of fun trying to speedrun zag shield. Never really tried it at heat

[unique zephyr]

I feel like one of the few here who has done high heat but not speedrunning

[eager vortex]

but I owe my sub10 shield to zag aspect

even tho it's boring

[unique zephyr]

I just like high heat more

At 40 I don’t feel the need to reset

[bronze viper]

You just end up doing it for funzies after playing the game for a long time. Or in the other direction, speed -> heat

[eager vortex]

if u consider trying to finish before 10 minutes a speedrun

[bronze viper]

I didn't bother doing a single anyheat speedrun until I started playing again in January... at like hour 600 lmao

[eager vortex]

that is

[bright mango]

Whenever I'm tired of heat I just chill out with trying to speedrun(until I get tilted and go back to heat)

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/829362787217047562/Screen_Shot_2021-04-07_at_7.31.04_AM.png did an arthur speed/meme run for aotw

[bronze viper]

Speedrunning is just like heat. It's running at whatever threshold you think is fast for you

[shy plinth]

Speedrunning also can help you learn techniques that translate well to TD3

[eager vortex]

shame I can't submit old runs

[honest kernel]

high heat is just speedrunning but with weights tbh

[bronze viper]

A new speedrunner hitting sub 10 is about as much of a relative milestone as a veteran hitting sub 8

[celest grail]

id say sub 10 is harder than sub 8

[bright mango]

I would like to disagree

[celest grail]

as someone whos done sub 8's

[eager vortex]

tbh I prefer doing high heat, speedrunning pisses me off cuz of styx

[celest grail]

its hard to get the ball rolling first tbh

[bright mango]

nah

I've been trying sub 8 for a long time now

And the one time I get a good enough run, I get vermined

So....

[bronze viper]

I don't think sub 8 is easier lol, but a lot of getting sub 10 is just getting super duper familiar with all of the mechanics and mentality

[solar maple]

I'm thinking of grinding for sub 7 sometime

it just seems like a pain though

[shy plinth]

Yeah this sounds about right

[celest grail]

it is a pain

i can confirm

[eager vortex]

my fastest time overall is with arthur

[celest grail]

i sprinkle in high heat runs in between the speedruns to keep my sanity

[shy plinth]

The alignment of a player's skills and experience vs the goal is more demanding

[solar maple]

I haven't really done speedruns other than heat/aotw for a few months now

[celest grail]

LUL what

[bright mango]

My skill level in heat went up a lot faster than speedrunning

[bronze viper]

I mean, magnil's is Chiron

lol

[celest grail]

magnil is a different breed

[eager vortex]

09:29 with arthur

[celest grail]

he just got the arthur WR like 2 hours ago

[shy plinth]

Is magnil luvcrimson

[eager vortex]

closest is 09:36 with eris

[bronze viper]

Yeah

[eager vortex]

yes I run arthur faster than eris

[bright mango]

how tf

[bronze viper]

We asked, they prefer magnil

[celest grail]

arthur wr, with a barge

[shy plinth]

Ah okay

[unique zephyr]

My fastest is a sub 15 with Beo...it was at 32 heat and by accident almost

[celest grail]

he's insane

[shy plinth]

They are crazy

Yeah

[unique zephyr]

I don’t even like shield much

[shy plinth]

I saw his previous record with arthur was merciful end lolol

[solar maple]

this time was lightning phalanx lol

[celest grail]

his current WR is a cast build lol

yeah

arthur is a cast weapon, truly

[unique zephyr]

So the way to go fast with Arthur is to not use Arthur?

[celest grail]

yes

[solar maple]

yes

[bronze viper]

That's the way it be

With a lot of aspects

lol

[celest grail]

and also to make it swing like zag sword

with heroic attack speed

[unique zephyr]

I like that Hades spear requires me to use the spear’s move set

[bronze viper]

I wish this was an impressive feat.

[unique zephyr]

Except special

Only exploding launcher redeems the special

[bronze viper]

"Oh boy, I swing as fast as... zag sword."

[eager vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/829380261405655130/aa.png

[unique zephyr]

I used to think Arthur was busted at 16 heat

[bronze viper]

It is legitimately busted at 16 heat

You just don't take damage, and it's a 1 boon build

[devout quiver]

Arthur is just kind of unwieldy to me, idk.

[bright mango]

Arthur is busted at 32 as well

Took me two tries to get it

[eager vortex]

it's a great aspect until u reach fo2 hades

[celest grail]

arthur's +50 health and the aura make it so good

[shy plinth]

It's great until you reach DC2 hades lol

[bronze viper]

Idk about all that. I think the Chiron/Hestia/Eris family still holds supreme at 32.

[bright mango]

@eager vortex Ur DC2 pact

[eager vortex]

arthur is fineee on dc2

[devout quiver]

yeah, its the third swing of the combo that counts for arthur

[eager vortex]

[neat sonnet]

do you just fo0

wait it's arthur

yes

[eager vortex]

I had dd + piercing wave tho

[bright mango]

idk how you can do DC2 on arthur

Idk seems like pain

[bronze viper]

Lol, at 16 definitely. At 32 I think FO2 is fine. It makes the rest of the pact ezpz

[shy plinth]

^

[unique zephyr]

FO2 at 32 is so nice

I don’t have to take CF

[eager vortex]

all I know is 45 heat fo2 arthur, good luck with hades

I couldn't do it

had to lower it to fo1

[unique zephyr]

Also it’s a good way to jump to 40

[bronze viper]

The secret is to not play Arthur

Smoldering Air

[solar maple]

yeah pretty much that

[neat sonnet]

there it is

[bright mango]

Just do heartbreak strike into zoos into pos call + rip current

ez game

[solar maple]

smoldering makes FO2 hades waaaay easier

[unique zephyr]

FO0 is easier if you just want a 32 clear for statue, but FO2 is better practice and more fun pacts

[celest grail]

i've never gotten smoldering at high heat, ap1/2 makes life hard :(

[bright mango]

I didn't even know there was a statue until I cleared 50

[solar maple]

just don't take AP2/RI 🙂

unless 50+

[bronze viper]

I have a Smoldering Air + Billowing Strength + Hyper Delivery + Dio level 7 call save on EM4 though on Arthur that I still haven't beaten smh. I think I'd be fine if I stopped trying to press the attack button

[unique zephyr]

EM4 gaming?

[solar maple]

just watch the 6 min slog of a fight retrash went through

[solemn pulsar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/829381310845681684/unknown.png?width=1201&height=676

X-posting for sadness. died partway into phase 3 of EM4 (4 minutes into the fight) to a spear throw that hit a pot, which rekt me

such a good build, so sad

[eager vortex]

wanna see another sad moment

[solar maple]

pain

[solemn pulsar]

i do not like dying 4 minutes into a fight

i get very sad

[bright mango]

em4 hard

game hard

[solemn pulsar]

em4 phase 1 stinky

lost my acorn and SD there alone

[eager vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/826564398277328906/asdfg.png

[neat sonnet]

em4 stinky

[bright mango]

about halfway through phase one I just completely start panicking

Bcs of how much crap is on the screen

[bronze viper]

lol, double doomstone very funny for single target aspects

[neat sonnet]

if you get doomstones you get boned

[bronze viper]

"K, I guess I'll just die"

[neat sonnet]

yeah

[solemn pulsar]

turning off EM4 would require RI1 or DC2

which stinky

[unique zephyr]

Sneak is icky too

[devout quiver]

its really easy to get shafted by bad enemy spawns in phase 1.

[unique zephyr]

As an add

[solemn pulsar]

i had 2 doomstones and a megagorgon

[bright mango]

Whenever I see skull crusher I praise the lord

[solemn pulsar]

i was NERVOUS

[bronze viper]

Skullcrusher megastonks

[eager vortex]

em4 is nope for me

[devout quiver]

I had 3 Megagorgons once

:D

[bronze viper]

That's also pretty stonks

[celest grail]

@eager vortex why no PL in your 55 heat run there

[bright mango]

How far did you make it @eager vortex ?

3 megagorns is pretty stonky ngl

Sorta

[eager vortex]

I died to dad

[bright mango]

what phase?

[devout quiver]

is stonks good or bad in this case

[bright mango]

thats what I was asking

[eager vortex]

I don't remember actually

[bronze viper]

Yes

[eager vortex]

wat is PL

[bright mango]

If you made it to phase 2, thats extremely good

[celest grail]

personal liability

hell mode heat

[solar maple]

it also forces CP for em4, which is not ideal haha

[bright mango]

CP is nono for em4

I do not recommend

[solar maple]

that fight takes long enough already

[devout quiver]

CP2 HL5 FO2 EM4

[eager vortex]

iunno lol I never used hell mode

[celest grail]

oh are they running a non hell mode file? didnt know that it still shows PL if you have non hell mode file

[bronze viper]

It doesn't

[bright mango]

I've tried one superdad run with hestia and made it to the end of phase 3 before getting brained by a spear

So HL5, CP2, EM4 etc

[bronze viper]

Hestia is pretty hard for EM4 yeah

[eager vortex]

I'm pretty sure

I died during phase 2 actually

[bronze viper]

It's in the easier side of the spectrum but it still kind of sucks

[bright mango]

I still need to try it with beo

[bronze viper]

Chiron at least can attack around corners which is OP to force Dad to pathfind

[bright mango]

Hestia was decent

Didn't get hit in phase 2

but it all went downhill in phase 3

I hate phase 3 more than 1

bcs darkness

[neat sonnet]

dankness

[bronze viper]

3 is more stressful because it comes on the back of phase 1 and 2

lol

[eager vortex]

they made fun of me 4 posting that

cuz I posted it with this emoji

no this :

like it's an achievement

to die to dad at 55

so I just gave up on 55

[bright mango]

I already throw most of my runs to dad at 51, so I aint doing em4

[devout quiver]

em4 is a lot of fun, on lower heat at least.

[bronze viper]

It's fun at high heat too. Provided winning isn't important to you

[bright mango]

^

But like at 20-32 heat I take em4 + fo2 all the time. Good practice and its a lot of fun

[devout quiver]

Usually when I get to dad with a broken build, I just skate by on the sheer broken, but EM4 makes me work for it even then.

It always feels like I'm losing until suddenly I'm winning

[bronze viper]

There isn't a non-beo build good enough to dps cheese your way through EM4 FO2

[devout quiver]

i saving your companion for Phase 3 better, or just pop it asap in phase 1 still the best idea?

I try to save it. but then sometimes I die without having used it

[hoary pasture]

I use it as a panic button on high heat

if its a casual run I meg right away

[mossy zinc]

Eris, Proud Bearing, Smoldering Air, Billowing Strength, Rip Current, Poseidon's Aid.

[devout quiver]

and razor shoals
with a steel chair ☝️

[neat sonnet]

eris is the steel chair

[bronze viper]

EM4 sucks that bad. I don't think even that build is free

It's mostly free lol, but I wouldn't be surprised if I died.

Similar to normal Beo nonsense vs. EM4. That level of free

[bright mango]

No it’s free

I can confirm

Summons are a joke

[bronze viper]

Yeah that's fair. I don't think I've gotten Smoldering Rip Current into EM4 before. Usually end up on Zeus' or Dio's

Razor Shoals + Rip Current Chiron was very easy though

[unique zephyr]

Lately I feel like the call is Dio’s only worthwhile boon

Or at least his best one by far

[bronze viper]

You're not that far off lmao

The problem is that it's also mutually exclusive with his cores

Premium Vintage early on is quite good. Positive Outlook is... decent. Numbing Sensation and Bad Influence are good but require hangover already

[patent isle]

i like PO b/c it feels useful when im healing off stubborn

and my hp stays in that range

[devout quiver]

I've been having fun with Dio Special chiron around 15ish heat lately

[eager vortex]

positive outlook is pretty nice on lc4

[unique zephyr]

It’s too bad you can’t sell premium vintage

[devout quiver]

get that aphro attack, then nail LT. maybe Curse of Naus if you're lucky, but that requires you getting Curse of Vengeance

[unique zephyr]

Which is relevant for UC sometimes

[unique zephyr]

How is his call exclusive to his cores? Not sure what you mean

[devout quiver]

they overwrite eachother

the hangover stacks

[bronze viper]

Mutually exclusive, as in you should never have a Dio core + Aid

[devout quiver]

they don't literally exclude eachother, its just asking for trouble to have multiple sources of hangover

[bronze viper]

It's the only Call designed that way lol. Every other call gets better the more you have of the god

To be fair, it does a billion damage so... worth

[devout quiver]

the vrigin epic zooz call vs
the chad common dio call carry

[solar maple]

ares is weird because half of his boons don't interact with each other at all

dio is weirder because half of his boons actively ruin the other half

[bronze viper]

Tbf Ares ruins his own duos with his T2s lol

At least with CoL. ME isn't ruined by Dire Misfortune but it always shows up instead of Impending for me lol

[honest kernel]

Touch of Styx has felt super uncommon for me the entire time I've been playing with LC4 and it's making me not want to do 32 runs anymore.

[bronze viper]

😦 To be fair it's less than 50%

[pseudo kernel]

how many well of charon items are there?

[bronze viper]

from the wiki looks like 25/26 depending on if you're in Elysium or not

The number is different because top slot will always be regen or Price of Midas

[pseudo kernel]

so its like 4-ish percent

[bronze viper]

I think they meant Touch of Styx Dark

[bright mango]

I never really take Touch of styx from wells

[bronze viper]

From Patty

[bright mango]

Dark is the most OP thing in the game

[honest kernel]

No, I meant standard Touch of Styx.

[bronze viper]

Oh

[honest kernel]

Patty's relatively common.

[bronze viper]

It's more than 4%, it only has to roll against the regen/price of midas for the first well slot

Looks like maybe 1/5? I don't know if there's weighting though

[pseudo kernel]

oh i didnt know that

[honest kernel]

Wait.

I still see regular healing items in the Well with LC4.

[bronze viper]

Yeah

[honest kernel]

So it's more than Price of Midas or...

Hang on, looking up item names.

[mossy zinc]

Centaur Soul, Eye of Lamia, HydraLite, Kiss/Touch of Styx, Life Essence, and I think it's called Dark Greed now?

[honest kernel]

HydraLite and Life Essence.

[bronze viper]

Again, I have no idea if it's an even chance or if it's weighted.

[mossy zinc]

1/6.

[bronze viper]

But from my own anecdotal experience I don't think I notice one of the top slots significnatly more than the others.

Maybe Centaur Soul less but I'm always looking for it so that's probably bias

[mossy zinc]

1/6 seems about right.

[patent isle]

dark greed?

i dont think ive seen that one

[mossy zinc]

Pretty sure it's not called Price of Midas anymore. That was only for a short time in Early Access.

[bronze viper]

Is it not? I feel like I got it like a couple of days ago and that's what it said

Shrug

[mossy zinc]

Something Greed.

[bronze viper]

Interesting

If you're right that's kind of wild though that I haven't actually reread it since EA

[mossy zinc]

I dunno. I don't look at names tbh lol.

[merry otter]

touch of midas?

no, I'm getting wires crossed

[mossy zinc]

lol

Kiss of Greed.

[bronze viper]

No, the touch of midas would just send you home

[bright mango]

Midas is just kinda free with SD

[patent isle]

oh its called price of midas still i think

i think i saw one a few runs ago

[mossy zinc]

Well, next person to see one takes a screenshot lol.

[bronze viper]

It's real embarassing to lose a run from Midas though lmao

Though yeah it's free 99% of the time

[merry otter]

i only took it once, for the fate

[bronze viper]

It's actual garbage with DDs lmao

[mossy zinc]

Nah, it's nice if it gets you the money you need for something else from the Well.

[honest kernel]

pretty sure its called price of midas

[patent isle]

does anyone take DDs on LC5

[celest grail]

lc4*

And if they do, then i dont think they'd like high heat much

[patent isle]

yeah

[distant cradle]

Just insta summoned meg

And it only hit theseus

[mossy zinc]

Did you tap up before summoning?

[distant cradle]

Oh

I'm on kbm

But I shouldve

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, Meg's AOE will appear parallel to Zag's shoulders.

[distant cradle]

Ahh ok

[mossy zinc]

So tapping up on your d-pad or keyboard aligns her AOE to hit both.

[distant cradle]

Ahh

[bright mango]

Just hold up and meg

It'll hit

[distant cradle]

Wow I lost 4 dd on hades

[pseudo kernel]

epic

[mossy zinc]

EM4?

[eager vortex]

I just gave up in elysium cuz <insert harsh vulgars here> ap1 denied me from massive spin on hades aspect

45h

it was going good too, I gave up only cuz of that

I absolutely hate ap

[bronze viper]

That's... a weird pain point to give up on

Massive Spin really has most of it's utility in Tart/Asphodel

[eager vortex]

meh

I have ocd

wasn't particularly happy with the whole build either

it was going okay tho

I'ma do it with achilles

and I am 90% sure

there is an algorithm for ap that disables the most useful things for your build

I believe it

[pseudo kernel]

hades is always watching so probably

[eager vortex]

of course

[gaunt fiber]

Today I met phase 2 father

pretty good

I'm getting decent at Arthur

[distant cradle]

Nah I panicked and ended.up just doing bad

I was already at 18 mins so idr

[mossy zinc]

2 minutes is a lot of time for the fight.

[distant cradle]

No going into fight I was 18

But ye my hades fights for zag bow r usually 2-3 mins

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's 2 minutes for the fight with TD3.

I see.

[distant cradle]

Depends on the weapin

Like rama with point blank I can get 2

And beo I did fine on

[mossy zinc]

You'll have a faster fight and also have more HP to tank TD damage if you just focus on a clean fight rather than trying to rush things.

[gaunt fiber]

I like having 3 minutes

[mossy zinc]

Any time you get hit and interrupted wastes valuable seconds and also HP.

[gaunt fiber]

to play the first phase a bit "safe"

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but that's with like CP and stuff or CF AP etc. hurting your build.

[patent isle]

im a really slow player

i cant do TD3

[mossy zinc]

You can do it. It's just practice.

[bronze viper]

3 minutes is generally my sweet spot too. 3:30 means I can play defensively which is really nice if I don't have Patty/DDs

[wintry berry]

It took me 3 minutes to kill Hades with Arthur at 50 heat and I didn't greed my dps

[gaunt fiber]

if I have more than 3 minutes I do a bit of dash dance to even out the fight

Or footsies for style points

[true fable]

longest it ever took me to kill non Em4 hades was 4 minutes

with lightning strike zag rail

no other significant boons

[eager vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/829420616171257916/aaa.png

massacre

[bronze viper]

I'm pretty sure I've breached 5+ on Chaos without Jolted and CP2

[solar maple]

my pb is 5:52

[true fable]

lol

[solar maple]

it was a glorious fight

stubborn roots carried tbh

[bronze viper]

LOL

[bright mango]

[true fable]

i think my first clear was something like that

1 DD stubborn roots

[mossy zinc]

Some of my first clears probably had slower Hades fights than that lol.

[true fable]

rocket bomb

[shy gulch]

i think i had to get all 3 DD's before my first clear

not a god gamer

[bronze viper]

My first clear was on Zag spear with a special only build and no Launcher so... yeah

However long that must have taken

[bright mango]

mine was eris so I was just cheating

It was only lvl 1

[shy gulch]

mine was zag fists just spamming attack and dash

[bright mango]

But I still only lost 1 DD in the fight

Gaming

[solar maple]

oh that wasn't an early clear for me. That was my first call% clear lol

lost SD about halfway through the fight

[mossy zinc]

My first clear was Shatter Shot on Zag Shield for the damage resistance.

[solar maple]

roots must have healed for ~250 health

I actually don't know what my first clear was

I feel like it was rail and I just ran away and spammed special on dad

with hazard bomb

[mossy zinc]

Well.

Take a look at your permanent record and find out.

[solar maple]

some of the EA permanent record stuff is broken

[mossy zinc]

It should only take 30 minutes maybe to go through every single run.

[solar maple]

LOL

no my old file only has ~200

I made a new file for 1.0 where I've played way more

[mossy zinc]

That's only 199 clicks away!

[bronze viper]

Oh, lmao no, I lost that Zag spear run, #8, in 52:27. I got it 6 runs later with CoL Chaos

[solar maple]

hm apparently my first clear was with spear

[bronze viper]

In 68:21 geeeeez

[solar maple]

LOL

I mean mine was pretty slow at 39 mins

but that's impressive

[shy gulch]

68:21 holy

very impressive

[bronze viper]

I blame Dread Flight. I remember it was my favorite hammer when I started playing Chaos