h1-high-heat-strategies

[edgy arrow]

lmao astaos is correct

i tried some neMEsis

i kept getting 10:30

like, i did four or five runs in a row around there

it was the most consistent i've ever been in my life

pity it wasn't actually fast lol

[bright mango]

Yeah my fastest nemesis time with a crit build was 9:35 and that was after days of resetting

That’s why I never want to speedrun sword again

[edgy arrow]

i remembered poseidon exists

way more consistent from my experience

idk what an actual speedrunner would say ofc

[bright mango]

It’s not as unga bunga as nemesis

[solemn pulsar]

my fastest time with a crit build is 4:24

[kindred panther]

how important is boon rarity? I know that the right boon is better than the rarer boon, but...

[solemn pulsar]

It depends on the boon

[edgy arrow]

^

[solemn pulsar]

Some@have ridiculously good scaling with rarity

[edgy arrow]

rav will is insane lol

epic is triple the bonus of common

[solemn pulsar]

Like doom attack or rav will

[bright mango]

For Artemis is does not matter

[edgy arrow]

something like deadly strike barely changes at all

[solemn pulsar]

And some do not like crush shot or

Deadly flourish likes it I think though

[bright mango]

Crush shot doesn’t scale with rarity?

[solemn pulsar]

Epic deadly flourish is chinky

No it does

Just barely

[bright mango]

Huh

[solemn pulsar]

90 common 110 rare

[kindred panther]

is there a chart somewhere of the upgrades by rarity?

[solemn pulsar]

110 epic sorry

The first Pom is like 40 damage

Double the rarity scaling

[bright mango]

I think there was a chart on the speedrun discord

[kindred panther]

k thanks

[bright mango]

I don’t know where it is

But I remember seeing one

[solemn pulsar]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cVdy_XLcHHzbJsIG_OX6vUlr8eTlcLuw32FXq-gx1jc/edit#gid=0

[bright mango]

K thanks

[bright forum]

ok so

[bright mango]

Where was it?

[solemn pulsar]

The way Pom scaling works is its multiplied by the common value

[edgy arrow]

oh neat

[bright forum]

i beat tartarus

do i purge at the pool

or do i have to at the gate

[edgy arrow]

man ya'll speedrunners make all the best spreadsheets

[solemn pulsar]

And then each subsequent Pom is multiplied by the value again

This was in the modding discord @bright mango but I have it saved

[bright mango]

Ok

I think someone posted it on the speedrunning discord

[solemn pulsar]

It was me

[bright forum]

guise

[bright mango]

Oh ok

Lol

[bright forum]

pls

[solemn pulsar]

My “save” I mean I found my message LOL

[bright mango]

I think so

[solemn pulsar]

Purgeat the pool

With UC

[bright forum]

kk

[bright mango]

If you have UC

[bright forum]

ty

yeah

[solemn pulsar]

Without purging it won’t let you leave

[bright forum]

uc

nice

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[solemn pulsar]

And it tells you to go use the pool

[bright mango]

I’m pretty sure there was another spreadsheet as well, but I don’t know where it is

[kindred panther]

one more question: what about Nourished Soul? Does LC4 completely block that?

[bright mango]

Yes it does

And you can’t even sell the cursed boon

[kindred panther]

hehe ok

[bright forum]

i really focked this run over lol

tried to get merciful end, used athena then ares keepsake to hopefully get it

made the risk of keeping ares keepsake in styx

none of the chambers or options at charon's shop is ares

pepehands

[edgy arrow]

yeah there’s basically no situation in which i’d run a god keepsake into styx

[bright forum]

lmfao i still beat it

not that i thought i wouldnt but wow

that was the most

boring and unorthodox run

[bright mango]

Dedge doesn’t really matter on merciful end runs

[vital grove]

Lol I forgot to change my keepsake on like a 45 run and went into Styx with godsake

Still won but damn it was close

[kindred panther]

holy crap, I just killed Hades on 32 heat without getting hit once when fighting him

I've never done that before on zero heat

[bright mango]

nice job!

[solar storm]

pom power is really good

[gaunt fiber]

Hello, I'm Astaos from clutch gaming

https://imgur.com/WzoHRrr

[bright mango]

poggerinos

[pseudo kernel]

you only won because bouldy believed in you

[bright mango]

Of course

poseidon aid rip current

It didn't help too much in the hades fight

[gaunt fiber]

4 sack did not help LUL

[bright mango]

yeah

I was like the timer is great, we'll be fine

Completely jinxed it

[pseudo kernel]

wait i just realized that it says 00:00:00

[celest grail]

look how far they've come

[pseudo kernel]

you had one second to kill hades

[bright mango]

yeh

[celest grail]

i remember the days when astaos couldnt kill doomstone with beo

[bright mango]

It was intense

[bright mango]

literally nobody can

Its frickin impossible

[celest grail]

oh true

[gaunt fiber]

I was baby beo astaos then

[celest grail]

i havent attempted beo high heat, i wouldnt know

[bright mango]

MM beo is complete trash

[celest grail]

they grow so fast

[bright mango]

At doomstone

[celest grail]

meanwhile beo absolutely crushes the other two tart minibosses with mm

4 bombers? i only see one

[bright mango]

Before I attempt to clear 50 beo, I should probably do 45

Made it once to dad, but died third phase

50 would just be AP1 + CF

added on to my 45 pact

[bright mango]

3/6 done

[honest kernel]

holy cow well done tho

[solar maple]

ok pengy AP1 +cf2 is 4 heat lol

you'll need to slap 1 more on there as well

and yeah that pact is basically the same as 50, but you get the highroll build pretty much every time

[bright mango]

Oh right

[solar maple]

probably just means one more JS or hell mode from what you are doing rn

or CP

[bright mango]

Yeah i have JS2 + CP on rn

[solar maple]

ah yeah just go JS3

beo kind of rolls through rooms

and bosses

beo good

[bright mango]

^

Agree

I think it’s going to take a while to get the 50

I’m definitely going PS strats

[solar maple]

easy PS

[true fable]

astaos is ahead of me on 6x50

oh no what have we done

weve given him too much beowulf technology

[solar maple]

PS is too strong

[true fable]

please dont say that

[bright mango]

Astaos made it to elysium today at 50 nemesis

[true fable]

ive made it to dad 3 times and choked it to dad 3 times

[bright mango]

rip

And so the race begins

[mossy zinc]

Just do 6x51.

[bright mango]

ezpz

[true fable]

[bright mango]

casual one up

[true fable]

retrash moment

[mossy zinc]

If I had a rivalry like that, you better know I'd be doing that.

[gaunt fiber]

thanks for the doomstone tech bro

[true fable]

lol

[edgy arrow]

which doomstone tech was it

i like the "use summon" tech myself

[gaunt fiber]

it's good one

[edgy arrow]

yup

[gaunt fiber]

my previous tech was not really good

you might have seen the clip

it is the "maybe the casts will hit god the terrain is against me too oh a trap aaargh"

[edgy arrow]

geometry bad

ye i saw the clip lol

[patent isle]

how hard is personal liability

[bright mango]

Its not until it is

[mossy zinc]

Free heat if you don't get hit.

[patent isle]

[bronze viper]

The cost of getting +1 Heat is having to have JS1 CP1 active at all times

[patent isle]

if you make a hell mode profile do you have to grind all the resources again

or can you like duplicate a file and make it hell mode

[bronze viper]

You cannot

It's a completely separate thing

I assume because the Bounties are offset by 5 heat (so you earn them at 5->25 instead of 0->20)

[solemn pulsar]

there is a maxed out hell mode file available on speedrun.com

it doesn't have bounties maxed out, but mirror/companiions/weapons are

[patent isle]

ah nice

[solemn pulsar]

when you go to download it says it's an .lss file due to weird webiste things, but just save it as "ProfileX.sav" where X is the number 1-4 of the hades profile you want it to overwrite

save that to your savegames folder, and it should work

if it doesn't right away, and you get dropped into the middle of a run, just give up the run and go back in

that usually fixes it for me

[mossy zinc]

That happens when you last quit the game mid-run on that profile and not in the House of Hades. Then when you Give Up, it loads the permanent save next time, which is ProfileX.sav.

[solemn pulsar]

I know. I've just had a few cases with others where that hasn't worked

hades really hangs onto its saves

so weird edge cases crop up from time to time

[patent isle]

ty

[bright mango]

@mossy zinc This is taking longer than I thought

[mossy zinc]

Let me quote myself.

lol I don't think you appreciate how much work that is for even just one aspect.

[bright mango]

Yeah

I'm finishing up the spears right now

[mossy zinc]

Look at Lili's Eris guide, then do that for all the aspects.

For each meta build.

[bright mango]

I'm not going that much in depth

I'm just outlining the core boons needed for each aspect and what builds work

I've just kinda explained in detail about ME at the start since it shows up a lot

As well as ZAP

[patent isle]

what are you doing pengy

[mossy zinc]

Maybe outline the builds first and then which aspects work.

[bright mango]

Eh I have time

[bright mango]

Writing what builds are good for every aspect

[mossy zinc]

As Toffel said, builds have a lot of overlap.

Er, builds for different aspects do.

Also.

ZAP sucks.

[bright mango]

I'm just using it as an alternative to ME on fists

[patent isle]

godspeed

[bright mango]

thank u

[patent isle]

also what build is zap

[bright mango]

You'll find out

[patent isle]

wao

exciting

[mossy zinc]

Something people who don't know how to use Malphon build.

[patent isle]

now im more interested

can someone explain

[mossy zinc]

Lightning Strike, Deadly Flourish, Tidal Dash.

[patent isle]

but why

i get the strike and dash

but why deadly flourish

[mossy zinc]

Because crits.

[bright mango]

you spoiled it

grr

NOO I CANT TYPE MORE THAN 500 WORDS

wait maybe I can

[mossy zinc]

Just link to my guide for Malphon and Lili's for Eris.

[bright mango]

Okie

[mossy zinc]

That makes it shorter lol.

Well, mine for Demeter Aspect, anyway.

[bright mango]

Is there a cap to how many words I can type?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[bright mango]

ughh

I'm just going to do a part 1 and two

[gaunt fiber]

500 words for?

[bright mango]

Writing a guide for all the aspects

I'm just going to write them one by one

Someone asked for it

[wintry berry]

Maybe do a gdoc if your guide is very long

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

[bright mango]

finishing up the shields rn

Fists should be easy

[gaunt fiber]

What aleeady

[bright mango]

Just ME

[gaunt fiber]

Are you

[bright mango]

yeah

I've been working for a while now

[gaunt fiber]

Yes that's what I was expecting

"ME ME ME ME. Ok, done."

[bright mango]

okie shields are done

[wintry berry]

ME everywhere except beo ?

[warm dagger]

Why yes.... As a matter of fat ME is BAE.

[mossy zinc]

You can do ME on Beowulf lol.

[gaunt fiber]

I almost got it but AP1 is cruel

[true fable]

its not very good but yeah definitionally you can

[mossy zinc]

It's still very good, it's just not as good as Beowulf can be.

[bright mango]

Ok bow is done

Next two should be pretty easy

[honest kernel]

speedy

[gaunt fiber]

Can't wait to read the guide

[mossy zinc]

You can, and you will.

[gaunt fiber]

Sigh

[mossy zinc]

Evidently.

[bright mango]

Fists are done

1 left!!!

[gaunt fiber]

Good job Pengy

[bright mango]

Can someone link me lili's eris guide?

[gaunt fiber]

I think you have the wr of guide%

[bright mango]

finally!

[mossy zinc]

We don't know that yet.

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[honest kernel]

the council will decide

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I know

That's why I can't wait

[bright mango]

k thanks

[gaunt fiber]

I'm expecting some quality given the time invested

[true fable]

some

not all

but some

[mossy zinc]

You just implied the time invested was uncommonly short.

[wintry berry]

That's speedrunning a guide

[gaunt fiber]

That's right Nyaanyaa good job

[mossy zinc]

So you're not expecting much, then.

How rude.

[gaunt fiber]

Hey I'm not the one speedrunning guides

[mossy zinc]

@bright mango hey, @gaunt fiber says he thinks your guide is gonna suck.

Y u do dis, @gaunt fiber.

[gaunt fiber]

I did not say that, don't be rude

[mossy zinc]

Wow, now you're gaslighting.

[bright mango]

Done

Finally

[true fable]

post it

dont be shy

[gaunt fiber]

guide

where

[wintry berry]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

[gaunt fiber]

thanks

wait it's a serious guide

[bright mango]

What did you think

[solemn pulsar]

@bright mango pls tell people to start splash dash on hestia

[bronze viper]

Memes

[solemn pulsar]

deadly strike is not the only way

but splash dash certainly is

[bright mango]

These people are just looking for a normal base build

[solemn pulsar]

if you don't build around a good dash hestia can be a real struggle

when starting out

IMO

not just a speedrunning thing

but

it's still fine

[honest kernel]

I thought it was a ok guide for time put into it

[solemn pulsar]

yeah it's great

i just have a lot of hestia opinions

[honest kernel]

rly

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it's a good guide

I was expecting memes from Pengy

[honest kernel]

I mean theres zap

[bronze viper]

It's a bit... short on some details but it kind of has to be lol. So well done.

I would add that Smoldering Air is pretty much equally viable for most builds just like ME/ZAP are

[wintry berry]

It's short but it's for those who wants a quick build/answer

[bright mango]

Yeah i didn’t want to sit there for two hours

I just wanted to make a base build guide

[bronze viper]

I think if more people knew to try Smoldering Air when they're struggling, they'd stop struggling lmao

Oh no, Nyaanyaa brought up the same point I did in builds-and-combat. Am I an Aphro simp now?

[true fable]

always have been bucko

[mossy zinc]

Saying Smoldering Air is "equally viable" to ZAP is insulting.

[bronze viper]

Lol, "viability" to a new player pretty much means "build works, do good damage, unga bunga"

[bright mango]

Y’all ever had a good run going, walk into a room of 10 bowmen, and just kinda wanna die

[mossy zinc]

People have been doing more Smoldering Air runs because of me.

[mossy zinc]

No, I just kill them.

[bright mango]

[gaunt fiber]

[mossy zinc]

It's a good strategy. You should try it sometime.

[merry otter]

Ok so what's the worst call to use with smouldering air

[shy gulch]

id say arty

[gaunt fiber]

Ares :)

[shy gulch]

ares call sucks as a whole

[gaunt fiber]

Even Arty lesser call is a useful iframe and get crit for a nice amount

[mossy zinc]

Ares' Aid can become good with a lot of effort.

[gaunt fiber]

Ares is a waste of time

[bronze viper]

Relevant. One of the proudest I've ever been for completing a room. From my 45 GY clear a couple of weeks back.

https://youtu.be/NzyM1DlByzE?t=1275

[mossy zinc]

Breaking News: @bronze viper banned for blatant self-promotion outside of #self-promotion. When asked if they miss ledgerdamayn, members answered, "Who?"

[gaunt fiber]

wait I watched this live

[bronze viper]

Yeah lol, you're always there somehow for my random GY attempts

This was the redemption run after the most thrown run of all time immediately before it

[true fable]

lol

so um

we have a submission for a max heat unseeded hades spear clear

any bets on its legitimacy?

[mossy zinc]

If there's something strange
with your Guan Yu
Who you gonna call?

[bronze viper]

Your obGYn?

[mossy zinc]

Is it @daring hedge?

[true fable]

maybe a tailesque alt account

[solemn pulsar]

send vid link pls

[gaunt fiber]

^

[mossy zinc]

lol

[true fable]

cannot

also it is instead an 8 heat clear

smh my head

[bronze viper]

...

[solemn pulsar]

l o l

what was it submitted as

to what category

[bronze viper]

They're the same thing if you think about it

[true fable]

50 heat unseeded

[merry otter]

8 heat = max heat right?

[true fable]

as a 64 heat clear

[solemn pulsar]

and they said 64 heat?

wat

[true fable]

knew something was a lil fishy as soon as they opened their non hell mode save

[bronze viper]

LOL that's a good start

[mossy zinc]

If they did 8 Heat 8 times, it's 64 Heat.

That's how multiplication works.

I learned all about multiplication from bunnies.

[true fable]

my head is broke

[solemn pulsar]

i have so many questions

[merry otter]

Well I learned all about bunnies from artemis soo... 🏹

[mossy zinc]

About?

Bunnies are good at multiplying.

[solemn pulsar]

i have questions for the submitter

not you and your non sequiturs

[bronze viper]

Yeah. We're Only Sequitur Gaming here

[eternal hare]

what are you going to put in as the rejection message

[bronze viper]

"Sus"

[gaunt fiber]

"zaglol"

[true fable]

i dont even know

theres no prior death and god mode is on too

like

pick your favorite reason and go

[bronze viper]

Wow. What a complicated tapestry

[merry otter]

"Wrong number 📵 "

[solemn pulsar]

ok bright you got me

[mossy zinc]

"You only did 1x8 Heat. That's not 64. Your video needs 7 more runs."

[solemn pulsar]

i tried to break every rule possible in a submission

just to see

[merry otter]

Imagine a world where its faster to do 8 heat 8 times in a row than to do 64 heat once

[eternal hare]

is there something visible to god mode being on besides the damage being noticeably less than what it should be?

[bronze viper]

Lol, I'm 800 hours in and I still can't do 64 heat. Pretty sure I can squeeze 8 8heats in that time.

[gaunt fiber]

It's because you have not tried yet

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, there's a boon icon for God Mode.

[true fable]

it shows up as a boon on win screen

[eternal hare]

aha

[bronze viper]

Maybe just leave a set of ellipses in the rejection message

[true fable]

cgull showed 2 deaths in his submission

so maybe i can use one of those deaths for this submission?

spare death, maam?

[gaunt fiber]

I show 2 deaths just to be sure

[bright mango]

Just got RD on ap2. 10% damage bonus

[bronze viper]

It's like one of those tins where people leave spare change for other people to use, but this is for unseeded death verifications

[gaunt fiber]

same energy

[bronze viper]

"Not to brag, but I die... a lot. I have plenty more where that came from."

[solemn pulsar]

wait which one

f

[bronze viper]

R... D?

[mossy zinc]

Two deaths for every one death that others suffer so people know it's you?

[true fable]

the 50 heat one cgull

[solemn pulsar]

oh F

sorry

[bright mango]

Rush delivery

[bronze viper]

Oh, neat.

Was confused by the 10% lol.

[gaunt fiber]

It's all about personal branding

[true fable]

youre good it was just funny

also youre a coward for not taking -hp on attack for more dash strike dmg

[solar maple]

it's important to show 2 deaths so they know your death shown wasn't seeded -- you could get an unfair advantage by routing in a better trap to die to in c2

[bronze viper]

Is it theoretically possible to route a follow up seed?

[gaunt fiber]

yeah, spike traps supremacy is already overwhelming

[solar maple]

idk ask para

[true fable]

you can route through death yeah

[solemn pulsar]

oh absolutely

but i was barely dash striking as is

[true fable]

c1 is just hellish

[solemn pulsar]

i wasn't feeling the dash strikes last night

[true fable]

yeah dash strikes are tough

[solemn pulsar]

i already had one buff

barely used it

[true fable]

idk what the indicator is

for like

when youve done a dash strike

on the empowered shot

[solemn pulsar]

you dash

and strike

i can tell when i do

[true fable]

i just know the number different

[solemn pulsar]

i just suck at it

[bronze viper]

Update: we need verifications of your entire play recording since you loaded the game.

[solemn pulsar]

ok i trimmed the vid on YT thanks bright

[solar maple]

only fresh file is safe

[true fable]

thanks

[solemn pulsar]

my RTA even better than i thought 😮

[true fable]

lol

i really wanted you to anvil

[bright mango]

LETS GO

GOT THE 51

[bronze viper]

Noice

[bright mango]

Almost choked the hades fight

[bronze viper]

EM4?

[bright mango]

Nooooo

Lost my entire acorn first phase

Got witch summoned

[bronze viper]

Lol, I haven't had a ton of time to play, I also plan to do EM3 at 52

[bright mango]

Lost my SD at the start of second phase

Missed my meg

#level3exitwoundscarry

[gaunt fiber]

So I'm browsing videos to finally upload Eris Hestia and Beo

And I kinda like how you can evaluate my mental health with the titles

[solar maple]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/qqE0KkX

bottom is first stream

[solemn pulsar]

targeting too strong, bye bye CP2

[true fable]

astaos nooo

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/826924577904263188/Screen_Shot_2021-03-31_at_2.02.50_PM.png

[true fable]

i like that "i wont sleep until i clear" is your longest stream

[solemn pulsar]

bright on a scale of 1-old croven vods how scuffed was my 50 heat vod

[true fable]

it looked fine to me

granted i watched it on 2x speed

2x the frames baby

[solemn pulsar]

yeah that'll smooth it out

[gaunt fiber]

It was the most critical

[true fable]

but it looked fine yeah

for the parts where i slowed down

[solemn pulsar]

i learned my lesson

no more 1440p recording while also exporting a video

[true fable]

yup lol

[mossy zinc]

We're all doing it. We're just not telling you.

[solemn pulsar]

yeah you can 100% route through death

nobody has really bothered

[bright mango]

Ok I fixed ya'lls ZAP issues in the guide and put smoldering air on there

happy

[bronze viper]

Oh. There can exist a practice save sufficiently broken that I can one shot HL5 CP2 FO2 DC2 EM4 with Rama lol.

Good to know.

Maybe I just suck less now. I swear I've taken nut builds with 2 DDs to this fight and gotten just obliterated no matter how hard I tried.

[bright mango]

em4 gaming

It do be like that

[ember bronze]

Thanks for the responses on my late-night post (wow this channel is big now)

I'd last played in November, when I did 32 on all aspects

Just played some yesterday when I wanted to do something relaxing , and started wondering what all was up

[bronze viper]

Hey! Welcome back

[ember bronze]

Sounds like Eris builds and ME builds are still easy/accessible push setups?

[bright mango]

ME still broken

Eris still broken

[ember bronze]

And something about Chiron--that sounds cool, I like Chiron?

Something changed about it

[mossy zinc]

We made a new, shiny High Heat Leaderboard that's pinned. You can look through that.

[ember bronze]

Is my old 41 enough for anyone on that to care 😛

[bright mango]

It'll be up there!

[mossy zinc]

lol there's a whole lot of 50+ on the board now.

[ember bronze]

(it looks like the game hasn't changed much overall in terms of tuning, no power creep?)

[bright mango]

yeah people are joining the 50 gang

lots of em

[ember bronze]

(if anything, nerfing a few high outliers mostly?)

[mossy zinc]

Chiron was nerfed. Bow Special damage per arrow was nerfed from 15 to 10. But it does 8 arrows now instead of 7, so that's very nice for Drunken Flourish, at the very least.

[ember bronze]

I think I was around for that--so why Chiron at highend now (I think someone said)

[mossy zinc]

The damage nerf is universal for all bows.

[ember bronze]

Last I recall, Rama was the highend push weapon

[mossy zinc]

Still is. Rama, Zeus, Hestia.

[bright mango]

still is

[ember bronze]

fun

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf up to 50ish.

[bright mango]

WR heat is 60 Rama by Tailesque

[ember bronze]

Ooh, Hestia, that was always fun

Zeus, oy. I think I hadn't figured out shield even then

post-Chaos nerf I just was never at home with shield

[bright mango]

yeah baj got 64 routed with it

Zeus shield

[ember bronze]

Fun, will see how much I get back to it

[shy plinth]

Welcome back

[bright mango]

I love it

The emote

[shy plinth]

It's a lil waving murloc

Who doesn't love murlocs

[ember bronze]

Hat, in your 40(?) you were playing ME Gilgamesh

Is that for the dashes?

When I saw I thought "oh yeah, 2 dashes is better than the Demeter bonus, I don't use the Demeter bonus much"

But I tried it in a casual run yesterday, and I did not like the Gilgamesh dashstrike feel

[bright mango]

Gilga dash strike is very bad

It locks you in for a normal attack and the dash strike does freaking 20 damage

[mossy zinc]

Demeter Aspect is way better.

He just wanted to play Gilgamesh.

[shy plinth]

I enjoy a gilga

I do think the DPS output is very good for ME Gilga and also you get to ruthless

But demeter fists probably better

But I play gilgamesh disproportionately compared to... everyone here lol

[ember bronze]

It sounded like a really nice idea, I just didn't like the specifics of the feel of the dash

Part of playing Eris and Demeter as popular easy weapons is that their dash-strikes are so easy and self-working

[shy plinth]

Oh yeah

[ember bronze]

Maybe due to being the last-designed weapons, their speed/recovery is so absurdly nice compared to e.g. Sword

[shy plinth]

And part of the issue with gilga is that it's not good enough at all the things it's good at

[ember bronze]

I feel like with Eris I can spam Dash-Strike with my eyes closed through a lot of combat if I want to

[shy plinth]

Buffing the mob's damage with a slow animation that leaves you in front of the enemy with an awkward input sequence, the dash-strikes having that weird pause after a cycle

Yeah, and global 75% damage boosts do solve a lot of problems

[ember bronze]

Without Tidal Dash Sea Storm, what's the popular speed setup?

Or is still to force Sea Storm

[mossy zinc]

Gilgamesh is good at something?

Ranged weapons need +75% global damage because you need to take a lot of risks.

[shy plinth]

Who said ranged? We're talking about eris

[shy plinth]

I think people usually just take tidal dash and don't care about the duo

[mossy zinc]

Gilgamesh as a melee weapon is extremely safe, and it even has a single-target debuff that allows it to do +25% damage! It needs to take +50% damage itself to balance it out.

[shy plinth]

I see that you too appreciate a fine meme

[mossy zinc]

'Tis not a meme.

[ember bronze]

Eris is ranged nor melee, it barely matters where you are

you're not getting hit because you're dashing

you're not missing because, while dashing, you're doing an attack that's ranged and autoaiming

[bronze viper]

Lol, it's pretty dang easy to get hit while playing Eris, even not at high heat. Your dashes don't have iframes

[mossy zinc]

Is it now.

[true fable]

hey hamlette! welcome back

[bright mango]

Welcome back Bright01 not bright01

[solemn pulsar]

Eris doesn’t really look for sea storm anymore unless flood shot falls in your lap

[dire steppe]

just empty dash eris smh

[solemn pulsar]

Doesn’t really hurt without it though

[halcyon flame]

what 32 heat pact for hera would any of you recommend?

i turned off cf and put on hl4 and made it to heroes but only because i had decent boon luck

i might forego snow burst and just go for athena dds

or just put on acorn at elysium and hope for the best

[mossy zinc]

What keepsake were you using in Elysium if not Acorn?

[halcyon flame]

plume

gotta get the hermes leg

[mossy zinc]

That's . . . why would you do that.

Take Lucky Tooth or Acorn in Elysium and you'll be fine.

If you want damage, take the Skull Earring.

But tbh the fight shouldn't take much more than a few seconds with Hera if you have a good build.

[halcyon flame]

i think the problem may be hl4 and fo1

but that could easily be fixed by acorn

i guess i could just take the acorn and deal with chasing down casts

[true fable]

yes learning how to pick up casts is a necessary skill for any infernal weapons

[mossy zinc]

^

You're not really doing much more than empty-dashing there to pick them up.

Try to just always unload your Casts on the closest enemies, so you don't have to move so far. Pretty much.

And try to not load more Casts than necessary for an enemy.

Sounds like you were doing just fine, though, if you got that far. Just gotta clean up the fight or take Acorn or Lucky Tooth.

I like Lucky Tooth in Elysium because things can go wrong easily.

[halcyon flame]

i just really need to be able to deal with cast stones in that case

[mossy zinc]

You're just minding your own business, and suddenly two Speeder Slugger Longspears combo you from out of nowhere.

[halcyon flame]

i feel like crush shot's hitbox is really clunky and weird but i'm not doing much better with other casts anyway

[mossy zinc]

Well, if you didn't have Greater Recall by Elysium yet, you were apparently doing just fine before that.

[halcyon flame]

is hyper delivery good on hera?

[mossy zinc]

Yes. Rush Delivery is good on everything.

[halcyon flame]

rama 😔

[mossy zinc]

It's good on Rama.

[true fable]

it is good on everything

[halcyon flame]

how long does dash-strike take to charge on rama

[true fable]

depends

just dont do as many powershots

[eternal hare]

not powershotting on rama hurts my soul on a visceral level

[bright mango]

Hyper delivery is legitimately broken

[halcyon flame]

wait would hyper delivery potentially work well on thunder flourish rama 🤔

rush delivery is global right?

[eternal hare]

yeah

[halcyon flame]

[mossy zinc]

Yes. Rush Delivery is good on everything.

[mossy zinc]

Haven't verified the numbers myself. https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/luysau/i_measured_the_timing_on_some_weapon_abilities/

[true fable]

so youd need a heroic hyper sprint lol

[halcyon flame]

seems easy

i just need gods' pride and eurydice-

[mossy zinc]

lol

You get the full benefits on your Dash, Jolted, etc., anyway.

It's always worth it.

[halcyon flame]

only problem is you can't always have epic hyper sprint 😔

50% is still 50% on common though

[mossy zinc]

You can release your shot with a dash, anyway. That would probably do it.

[halcyon flame]

that seems interesting actually

though doing it properly and consistently would take too much practice

[mossy zinc]

You literally just press Dash lol.

[vital grove]

Also makes the move speed Charon item more valuable

[solar maple]

also I'm no expert but if you release an attack with a dash would that not give it the RD buff?

[ember bronze]

Maybe important for Hades spear too

[mossy zinc]

That's my point, yes.

[solar maple]

hyper delivery is crazy on everything yeah. agree 100%

[mossy zinc]

He needed Rush Delivery tbh thematically. Now he's prominently featured in all speedruns, as he should be.

[true fable]

though sometimes he just give you that auto reload bad news

and he still gets featured

[halcyon flame]

if all else fails i can always just go for a bad zag bow build with twin shot + deadly strike on hera

[mossy zinc]

A Crush Shot build should easily get you Heartbreak Strike anyway.

[halcyon flame]

wonder if i should do 32 heat chaos after hera

so i can have all aspects bow/shield out of the way for 32 heat

maybe dump my 32 heat clears so far onto the spreadsheet while i'm at it

[mossy zinc]

Follow your heart!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

[halcyon flame]

i did a doom build the first time i used chaos and it was pretty powerful

you think i should add merciful end or is that overkill

[mossy zinc]

ME was a go-to build for Chaos Aspect in Early Access. I should still work.

[halcyon flame]

i kinda breezed through that time so i could try td3

[mossy zinc]

I think Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish was more common, though. I never really liked playing Chaos Aspect back then.

[halcyon flame]

divine flourish?

is that an early access thing

what with the "mirage shields" bouncing around

[mossy zinc]

Curse of Agony to apply Doom, and Divine Flourish + Divine Dash to proc it.

[halcyon flame]

it's always divine dash

smh

[edgy arrow]

you need flourish as a prereq anyway lol

[mossy zinc]

Well, it's either that or Curse of Pain + Divine Strike.

[edgy arrow]

and you’re constantly bull rushing into things and then shotgunning you’re shields into them, so it does work

[mossy zinc]

You could just go with whichever has higher rarity between Curse of Pain and Curse of Agony and take it from there.

[edgy arrow]

i presume anyway; i usually go zeus on chaos

done doom before, but not ME iirc

[mossy zinc]

I go Heartbreak Strike and take it from there.

[edgy arrow]

heartbreak strike + thunder flourish is legit

[mossy zinc]

Play it like Zag Shield and supplement with the Special here and there or for AOE.

Thunder Flourish, Drunken Flourish, Curse of Pain, Deadly Flourish. They can all work with Heartbreak Strike.

Or you get Tidal Dash, Sweet Nectar, and pom your build to your heart's content.

[true fable]

curse of pain divine strike works fine

thunder flourish is quite good

[edgy arrow]

whichever way you do it i feel like chaos isn’t that good of a vehicle for ME

but i’ve never bothered to try it so i could be wrong

[true fable]

its pretty good

i wandered into it for my 50 heat clear

[halcyon flame]

i'm not too familiar with chaos since i've only ever played it like twice

[true fable]

its ok

[halcyon flame]

so i could easily die at any time

[true fable]

its really safe

do your normal cycle and use bull rush to get through toughs cenarios

[halcyon flame]

it is a shield still

and shield is good

[true fable]

well

zag shield is pretty unsafe imo

but all the other shields are very safe

thats not to say zag shield bad

but its pretty easy to die on zag shield

[halcyon flame]

zag shield is not meant to be played like a defensive weapon at all

but it's easy to learn and got me one of my easier 32 heat clears

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/826509141077393408/Hades_198.png

[edgy arrow]

oh fair enough

i should prolly try it sometime

how does it compare to zeus tho?

safer prolly, but safety isn’t really chaos’ issue

[true fable]

it's like

fine

a bit less dmg than zeus but i liked having the boss dmg

and the set it and forget it is kinda nice

[honest kernel]

after some messing around I do agree that dark foresight is superior to olympian favour

[edgy arrow]

it’s more boss damage?

how does that work

yes it is lol

it’s not even close

[honest kernel]

Ifigure

why settle for rare when you can get epic

so I run gods pride alongside it

also, the skulls are guaranteed rare

[true fable]

yeah

[honest kernel]

so it does nothing in those cases

[true fable]

yup

god's pride v good

[edgy arrow]

more like why settle for one rare boon when you can have 1.2 boons extra health and earlier hammers

[honest kernel]

but gods pride still benefitrs

[true fable]

god's legacy also very good

well

some minibosses arent necessarily guaranteed rare

i think aspho minibosses in particular are egregious for giving commons sometimes

[honest kernel]

I think I'm gonna mostly stick with gods pride just for consistency

and also for good chaos boons

[edgy arrow]

yeah if you reroll the miniboss benefit goes away as well

[honest kernel]

oh?

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[honest kernel]

good to know, thanks

[true fable]

the real benefit is hermes boons

[edgy arrow]

^

[true fable]

base hermes epic chance is like 3% or something pitiful

[honest kernel]

I got upgraded hermes boon out of asphodel eribus

[edgy arrow]

and the scaling it pretty bonkers lol

[honest kernel]

20% dodge

[edgy arrow]

yup

[honest kernel]

I got a lot of good stuff and I beat em4 for the first time

it was my third attempt at it

[halcyon flame]

what is it with hermes having insane rarity scaling and never giving anything above common 😔

[honest kernel]

;m;

if ur lucky maybe get the item from well of charon

[true fable]

like i mentioned above hermes has pretty terrible rarity chances

yes

[edgy arrow]

balance or something idk

[true fable]

yarn into hermes is super good

[honest kernel]

ye

[halcyon flame]

i love how hermes' boons most of the time are still amazing picks even at common

[honest kernel]

even 1 extra dodge is very useful

[halcyon flame]

and at higher rarities it's just w-w-w-wh-who-whoa 😳

[honest kernel]

3 extra dashes is huge

[edgy arrow]

even if it had zero rarity scaling greatest reflex would still be arguably the best boon in the game

[halcyon flame]

common greatest reflex 😩 👌

heroic greatest reflex 😩 👌

[edgy arrow]

lol

pretty sure i’ve never had heroic greatest reflex

my life is incomplete

and heroic rush delivery; need to get that one sometime

[honest kernel]

I've found every single boon

[edgy arrow]

sure, but at every rarity?

[honest kernel]

hmmmm, probably not, I don't keep track

[edgy arrow]

i can almost guarantee you haven’t seen every heroic boon

[honest kernel]

definitely not all at heroic

[edgy arrow]

they’re hard to get

yeah

[honest kernel]

yeah no way all heroic, I'd play for another 100 hrs and still not get all heroic

but just regular boons I've found all of

[solar maple]

I've had heroic dashes a few times

zoom

[honest kernel]

feels good man

add artemis dash

zoom through everything

[solar maple]

also yeah from what you said earlier I think dark forsight vs olympian favor is probably the most unbalanced of all the mirror choices

DF is just better for everything

all the others usually have at least some justification for picking the other (well fated persuasion > authority pretty much always as well)

[celest grail]

nah even authority is fine sometimes

if youre going for meme runs

DF vs OF is just never even a choice

[ember bronze]

I feel so vindicated that FP has swung around to being totally dominant

I feel like in late beta/EA it was considered super weird to use FP

[solar maple]

both FP and backstab are used

[edgy arrow]

fated persuasion was absolutely dominant in EA?

unless you mean before it was added, in which case like, sure

[ember bronze]

Maybe that was just a random opinion I'd saw and not that common

I started playing in Nighty Night patch, so first was introduced to the mirror with both sides, I felt like a lot of the green sides took some time to catch on

[solar maple]

oh fated persuasion

I though fiery presence lol

[honest kernel]

so whats better, persuasion or authority

[solar maple]

yeah fated persuasion is better

[edgy arrow]

persuasion

[honest kernel]

I agree

[ember bronze]

ya

[edgy arrow]

yeah in general it might have taken a while to catch on, i know it i didn’t switch immediately after it was added

after all, i had to buy it up

[solar maple]

it took me a bit to make the switch as well

[ember bronze]

I think Dark Foresight was probably good even before it was doubled too?

[solar maple]

dark foresight was bugged before

[honest kernel]

also infernal soul vs stygian soul? I think stygian cos I use cast purely as a support instead of a damage dealer

[solar maple]

didn't really work iirc

[true fable]

yeah it used to just not work

[edgy arrow]

but i think folks pushing heat were using persuasion from pretty early on

yeah it did nothing i think

[true fable]

both are fine thanazagaera

[edgy arrow]

when they fixed it they doubled it as well for some reason

[ember bronze]

My recollection (again) is that I like Stygian Soul and Abyssal Blood more than most

[true fable]

infernal gives you better up front damage and lets you sort of spec into casts if you need to

but stygian gives you slightly better hermes

[mossy zinc]

Most people were using Authority at first, but we convinced them.

[true fable]

also it removes lightning rod from the pool

[ember bronze]

See that's all I needed to hear 😛

[solar maple]

the main ones I always take are: dark foresight, fated persuasion, boiling blood, and deep pockets

[edgy arrow]

stygian is kinda the meta for non cast builds now

[solar maple]

all the others I change between aspects

and game styles

[ember bronze]

I use Stygian and Abyssal most of the time, but I'm really confident they were minority picks at least for a long time

[edgy arrow]

i switch to abyssal blood for poseidon only atm

[mossy zinc]

Probably just a result of Fated Authority coming before Persuasion, so people were used it. Authority was also 10 rerolls.

[ember bronze]

ya

I think that's all it was

[edgy arrow]

people started using persuasion pretty fast tho iirc

[ember bronze]

but I kind of feel the same on like Family Favorite vs. Privilege

[solar maple]

I've tried to make authority work and it never really ends up well

[edgy arrow]

but you’re prolly right that there was a transition

[solar maple]

and yeah FF is pretty much always taken now

[edgy arrow]

yeah family favourite definitely took a while to start dominating

[solar maple]

I only occasionally us PS

[edgy arrow]

i only use PS for memes

[solar maple]

I use it for aphro cast beo

[mossy zinc]

People were also complaining that Persuasion was too expensive. 2 for the second reroll? 3 for the third?

[celest grail]

i only use PS for sound effect heaven

[edgy arrow]

PS seastorm chiron ftw

[ember bronze]

So this is all a huge tangent, but I think there's a big pattern of yellow options being considered strong now, that took some time to take seriously

[solar maple]

PS was also nerfed

from 50 to 40

but yeah

[mossy zinc]

There was also no guarantee of at least 1 new boon.

You could reroll into the exact same 3 boons just with maybe different rarity.

[celest grail]

honestly i think hermes may have had a huge impact on authority vs persuasion

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[celest grail]

because the rarity of his booons/getting the boons you want from him is just such an impact on both high heat and speedruns

[true fable]

i think its mostly the bottom options

like bottom 4 are all super strong

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

Seeing me have Greatest Reflex in nearly all my runs convinced a lot of people.

[edgy arrow]

greatest reflex good

[solar maple]

authority always felt really awkward to me because you couldn't really use it to try to force one god

just avoid gold rewards with CF2 or something

or roll away a bad forced god

[celest grail]

plus, for other gods you can just reset if you dont get your boon from them. For hermes, youre probably already in aspho or elysium, resetting there is a bit eh for speedruns with decent pace and high heat runs too

[edgy arrow]

yeah back when i used fared authority i would usually just forget i had it lol

[celest grail]

lol same

[edgy arrow]

never happens with persuasion because it’s actually useful

[celest grail]

i used it when i didnt have enough darkness to get persuasion

i would have like 6 rerolls walking into styx with authority

[solar maple]

I rolled away heart doors a lot back in EA haha

health bad

now I've learned

[honest kernel]

health good my homie

[solar maple]

health good

[honest kernel]

yep

[halcyon flame]

health good

[edgy arrow]

we’re you speedrunning tho

[halcyon flame]

in high heat

[solar maple]

no

[edgy arrow]

oh lol

[celest grail]

health good for speedruns

[solar maple]

I didn't speedrun in EA

[edgy arrow]

just too good

[celest grail]

take it from someone who died to lernie on a good pace recently

[edgy arrow]

oh sure

but rolling out of it would be kinda legit

just gotta not die

[true fable]

health is good for speedruns

it is a resource

[edgy arrow]

the more i do speedruns the more i realise that dying in speedruns is in fact a thing

[halcyon flame]

don't get hit man

[solar maple]

my casual plays were funny haha. l ran the gold interest mirror option and always started coinpurse lmao

stonks

[edgy arrow]

turns out what i thought was being aggressive before was actually just playing it less safe

[celest grail]

i had chaos trap dmg on lernie how tf am i supposed to not get hit smh

[halcyon flame]

don't step on the lava ???????????????///

[celest grail]

kate unironically runs golden touch on hestia for her speedruns

[halcyon flame]

why golden touch

[edgy arrow]

why tho lol

[celest grail]

her reasoning is that hestia doesnt need boons early on

[edgy arrow]

what does she spend it on

wells?

[true fable]

im not sure if she still

[halcyon flame]

but do you not require good boons for a good time

[celest grail]

#523774570394681344 message

[true fable]

does

[celest grail]

its like a week old message

she might've repented

true

[true fable]

she said she uses it casually no?

[solar maple]

every screenshot she posts of speedruns has deep pockets

[celest grail]

oh right

[true fable]

yeah i think in that message she's talking about what she used to use before speedrunning

[celest grail]

it was casually

just read the context

my bad

[honest kernel]

I used to like olympian favour over dark foresight but then I saw the light

[celest grail]

i liked olympian favor because its icon looked cool

[honest kernel]

I liked it cos blue looks sexier than white

[edgy arrow]

i didn’t realise for a weirdly long time that dark foresight actually increased boon drops

i thought it was just health and poms

so when it was fixed and everyone started using it i was so confused

anyway that’s another story of how past me was shockingly wrong about how the game works

[halcyon flame]

every day i wake up thinking that possibly a good chunk of the playerbase today thinks gods' favor is better than dark foresight

😭

[edgy arrow]

yeah

pretty depressing stuff

[honest kernel]

I'M SORRY

I was one of the infidels

[edgy arrow]

lol you’re fine

[honest kernel]

I repent for my sin of using gods favour

[edgy arrow]

rarity bonuses are really good at being shiny and making you want them

lots of people think rerolling for rarity is a good idea

and yeah rarity is good, but having more boons and better boons is better

[halcyon flame]

as a steam player i run a constant risk of listening to a person's opinion on steam discussions

[edgy arrow]

uh oh

[honest kernel]

wdym

[edgy arrow]

sounds dangerous

[honest kernel]

what about steam discussions?

[edgy arrow]

folks have some whack opinions lol

i saw someone say beowulf was a glass cannon like 2 months ago and i’m still angry about it

[honest kernel]

oh on the steam discussions page?

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[honest kernel]

filthy casuals

[solar maple]

that 10% damage

glass cannon

[edgy arrow]

yeah it’s like

[halcyon flame]

10% damage increase???

[edgy arrow]

beowulf is like if you get a glass cannon and then put it in a reinforced bunker

[solar maple]

to be fair, what a lot of newer players will see is an effect, and not really think of the number put on it

[edgy arrow]

and also the cannon isn’t glass it’s a regular cannon

[solar maple]

they see "extra damage" and so assume it is actually dangerous

[honest kernel]

if u want glass cannon play guan yu

[edgy arrow]

yeah it’s an understandable mistake to make

but it’s also very very wrong lol

[solar maple]

I mean yeah

big plate good

[halcyon flame]

also speaking of steam discussions that "hades is OVERRATED!!!" thread is still active surprisingly

[edgy arrow]

beowulf:
-Safety: 10/10
-Damage: 10/10
-Not a glass cannon: 10/10
-Required boons: ... all of them

beo has a disadvantage but it isn’t the +10% damage taken lol

[honest kernel]

hades is rated how it should be

[edgy arrow]

^

[honest kernel]

it's a masterpiece and deserves the amount of praise it gets

imo

[edgy arrow]

yeah honestly it doesn’t even annoy me when hipsters are like “ehh hades meh” anymore

because i know the majority opinion is firmly that hades is a masterpiece

yeah for sure

[honest kernel]

dude legit ok so I got hades in very early access, played several hrs then like nah. Then 1.0, I thought nah gonna be boring and then I actually started playing again a week ago and I got the epilogue in like 4-5 days

I was hooked

so good

just today I beat heat 12 and em4

and I have all prophecies complete

[edgy arrow]

nice

yeah game good

[honest kernel]

hades is hands down in my top 5 games ever

that I've played

whoops this went offtopic

[edgy arrow]

lol don’t worry

this channel is infamous for going off topic all the time

i don’t think the mods even pay attention anymore

yeah honestly i’m really bad at picking favourites but if anything is my favourite game of all time it’s hades

[celest grail]

hades is probs top 3 for me, alongside far cry 3 and civ 6

the most impressive thing about this game for me was just the sound

[edgy arrow]

so true

[celest grail]

everything from the voice acting to the music, it just complemented everything else so beautifully

[edgy arrow]

darren korb is a wizard

all the voice actors are also wizards

it’s wizards all round

[celest grail]

i dont think the story would've been half as interesting if the voice acting was mediocre

[edgy arrow]

yeah the characterisation is pretty important i think

[honest kernel]

my fav games of all time in no particular order bioshock series, dishonored series, hades, sekiro, deadcells, wolfenstein new order and old blood, tomb raider reboots, steamworld games, resident evil 7, kingdom rush games, borderlands 2 and presequel, tf2 but quit now, brawlhalla but quit now

[celest grail]

borderlands 2 is amazing

its in my top 10

[mossy zinc]

They do.

[edgy arrow]

yeah borderlands 2 is up there for me as well

uh oh

we all gonna be banned rip

[mossy zinc]

Please at least try to stay on topic.

[edgy arrow]

lol fair

[solar maple]

I would say most of what we talk about in this channel is high heat strategy stuff

[mossy zinc]

And some of it is our own way of coping with high heat stuff.

[solar maple]

which is a high heat strategy in a way

[mossy zinc]

It is.

[edgy arrow]

the most important high heat strat tbh

[mossy zinc]

I disagree.

The most important strategy is sabotaging your competition.

[edgy arrow]

hmm

takes notes

wait but i’m only competing with myself

[mossy zinc]

By telling them to sabotage their competition, so they get banned for trying that.

[edgy arrow]

does going for sea storm on chiron count as self sabotage

i might already be doing it

[mossy zinc]

It does.

That's not a Lady Aphrodite boon.

[edgy arrow]

so i should go for cold embrace instead, got it

[mossy zinc]

That would be a better strategy.

[edgy arrow]

can’t lose with this amazing chiron build

chiron might be bad, and meme beams might be bad, but combine them and you get... something!

wait meme beams = crystal clarity

there should be a different name for cold embrace

obscene beams?

dream beams?