#h1-high-heat-strategies

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mossy zinc
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Makes sense.

eager vortex
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forgot to say

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they also had speeder

bronze viper
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Yeah, that's not great lol. It happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯

eager vortex
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yep

solar maple
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Ok ive regained my confidence in em4

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LOL

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Screenshot incoming

mossy zinc
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By that do you mean you're playing shield again?

solar maple
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pretty much lmao

mossy zinc
solar maple
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3 acorn charges LMAO

mossy zinc
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Congratulations! dusa

solar maple
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athena cast 50 ✅

mossy zinc
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How many are left?

gaunt fiber
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and I'm here with my broken DR builds

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sigh

bronze viper
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It's fine, I've taken a plethora of Splitting Bolt, or Cold Fusion builds to superdad and finally got him down with a reasonable smattering of boons.

gaunt fiber
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Splitting bolt

bronze viper
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(zoos shield)

gaunt fiber
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Chiron flashbacks

bronze viper
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lmao

gaunt fiber
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the world has to know

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That thunder flourish is actually broken on Chiron

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You just have to play skull earring and pray for no Asterius

true fable
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broken

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have to play skull earring

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pick one boyo

mossy zinc
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Broken can mean two things, after all.

gaunt fiber
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No I mean

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Skull earring makes it amazing

bronze viper
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Lol, you do get to double dip on damage. It's quite good

gaunt fiber
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everything melts at the cost of a bit of safety

bronze viper
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"everything melts" is aggressive lmao. But it's pretty good

gaunt fiber
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no no no Ledger

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Everything melts

true fable
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astaos please

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ok

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fine

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thunder flourish GY time

gaunt fiber
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I've done it

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at 16 heat with AP2 RI4

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And at 40 heat

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Charged skewer included

bright mango
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Lol tried a 51 hestia run rn and got 4 sacked

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Life is fun

mossy zinc
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It's good to see the Fireworks strategy has caught on. But did you have Katy Perry music playing when you did it? dusa

bright mango
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Are you talking to me?

mossy zinc
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Astaos.

bright mango
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Okie

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I have a question. A 67% attack boon. Do i or sell and go keep shackle, or keep it?

mossy zinc
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67% + 40% from Skull Earring is 107%.

gaunt fiber
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I did not

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It was not planned

bright mango
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Ok that sentence is messed up

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Sorry

shy plinth
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Math checks out

dire steppe
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just get 140% from shackle and sull earring smh.

gaunt fiber
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67% should be good enough

bright mango
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I have a level 1 skull earring

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Too late

gaunt fiber
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level it up on the way

bright mango
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Kept it and went athena keepsake

mossy zinc
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67% from Attack + 40% from Skull Earring + 25% High Confidence = 132%

bright mango
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I’m RI2 gaming

gaunt fiber
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that's not the joke Pengy

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High confidence and Earring :)

bright mango
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Ah ok

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Ooohhh

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I see

mossy zinc
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No, Pengy787's answer was perfect.

bright mango
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High confidence skull earring synergydusa

mossy zinc
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Comically missing the point is one of the best tropes.

bright mango
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Ok athena was the right choice

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She gave me divine dash

eager vortex
bright mango
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em4

mossy zinc
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Congratulations on dying.

eager vortex
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but did I reach father at 55

bright mango
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On a side note, demeter pom scaling absolutely sucks

gaunt fiber
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Just get the boon at epic

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it's alright

bright mango
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Common

gaunt fiber
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No

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I said epic

mossy zinc
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That's meaningless. There are no grades for high heat.

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It's pass or fail.

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You failed. dusa

eager vortex
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prolly only 0.001% of players actually succeeded at what I just attempted to do

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no regrets

gaunt fiber
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Pretty sure I can die to dad too

eager vortex
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on a side note

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I made a test save before the fight

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I'm gonna practice his ridiculous moveset

gaunt fiber
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is it shackle?

eager vortex
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yep

gaunt fiber
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you seem to have enough time

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jerky shackle is strong enough

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Have fun dusa

mossy zinc
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Last weapon for 6x sub 10 32 Heat is Exagryph, which should be the easiest, but m somehow not motivated lol.

gaunt fiber
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you could do Eris with Crush shot?

mossy zinc
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lmao

solar maple
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aphro special lucifer maybe?

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but then you really really need triple bomb

true fable
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aphro attack hesty could work

eager vortex
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managed to get to 3rd phase then timed out

bright mango
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C34 PATTY SAVES THE RUN

true fable
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nice

eager vortex
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yep this is doable

true fable
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what run pengy?

bright mango
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51 hestia

mossy zinc
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Yeah, lots of options than can work just fine. Sub 10 rail should be easy.

bright mango
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frost strike carry

mossy zinc
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I just never enjoyed rail very much, I suppose.

solar maple
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oh true I forgot you can start attack on hestia lol

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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that's too classic

bright mango
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Ok two sack

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Lets not choke the hades fight

mossy zinc
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At least you haven't cursed your attempt by posting a screenshot of "hey look, this run is going so well!"

eager vortex
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can't believe I compared asterius to em4 at 50+

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em4 is insane

mossy zinc
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lol

eager vortex
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now I know why you avoid

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always better to experience it yourself to have an idea

mossy zinc
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Yeah, I just don't like the fight very much at all.

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Maybe one day I'll be in the mood for it.

bright mango
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Lasers ate up my entire acorn

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I’m so bad

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Why

gaunt fiber
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nom nom nom

bright mango
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Playing em4 is messing up my normal spins

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I’M SO MADD

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AHAHHA

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This was so free

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And I missed meg

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Of course

mossy zinc
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Ded?

bright mango
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I had 3 acorn charges going into second phase

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And then I stood in some lasers

eager vortex
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worst enemy is panic

bright mango
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It was a level 3 common demeter attack

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My damage sucked

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How did i choke that so hard

mossy zinc
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Blaming Lady Demeter for your failures.

eager vortex
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were you doing em4 51 ?

bright mango
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No

mossy zinc
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Sounds like something I would do. squirtdevious

bright mango
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And I died by coming out from behind a pillar too early

mossy zinc
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Pengy787: "Is it safe yet?"

gaunt fiber
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Common mistake

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Even @honest kernel knows about it dusa

honest kernel
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That's what I get pinged for ?

gaunt fiber
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sorry lol

mossy zinc
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What's Baj done anyway since 64 Heat smh.

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Doesn't even push higher anymore.

honest kernel
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Not much

mossy zinc
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Washed up.

honest kernel
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Totally

gaunt fiber
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wait

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was there always a gun on your profile picture

bright mango
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no

mossy zinc
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Hasn't shown us the 4th Skelly statue yet, either.

gaunt fiber
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Human skelly is too beautiful for us to bear the sight

mossy zinc
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Probably doesn't want us to know that Skelly is Robotnik.

bright mango
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I think I might be able to do this with a better attack boon

mossy zinc
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Or not being this person.

bright mango
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that too

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I could've played the fight better

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Lost two acorns in first phases bcs em4 spins mess normal dad spins up

mossy zinc
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How much time did you have left?

bright mango
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3 min

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I was fine

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And I thought I was standing behind the pillar

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And hades ate up the rest of my acorn

mossy zinc
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99% of the time when you gauge the time you had left vs the risks you took, you realize you were really just throwing the run for no good reason. dusa

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He doesn't heal in the normal fight. There's no DPS check even.

bright mango
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Well him eating up my acorn was complete BS

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I was standing behind the pilar

mossy zinc
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I have video evidence that you didn't.

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Oh wait no, that's @daring hedge.

bright mango
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I always get hit by lasers for some reason

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I can't tell if I'm standing behind the pillar or not

mossy zinc
bright mango
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And of course missing meg is a problem

mossy zinc
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Here, this one is you.

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Probably.

bright mango
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I used meg at the second half of second phase, and dad just jumped out of the way

mossy zinc
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I just summon her immediately in phase 1 part 1 when the fight starts.

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That's the part where he goes invisible the most.

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And she'll always hit there.

bright mango
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Maybe

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but thats only for speedrunnign right?

gaunt fiber
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Mostly yeah

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I really like to make the best use of it and using the iframe

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especially for EM4

mossy zinc
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Also means you'll have more time for the fight and don't have to rush things, and you can't mess it up and just whiff.

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And you can warm up in phase 1 part 1 with him down 2.5k until phase 1 part 2.

bright mango
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I'll get it tommorow

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This was my first 51 run of the day

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wait no second

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The first one was em4 and I got 4 sacked

bronze viper
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Lol, same, had a pretty decent (not fantastic, no health) setup and got 5 sacked

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Luckily the next 3 attempts were lost entirely on my own

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Played decently well though. We'll try again tonight/tomorrow

bright mango
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I would've died to em4 anyway

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I had no patty buff

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and like 170 heatlh

bright mango
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hestia?

gaunt fiber
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Hestia but he actually followed my advice and took an epic Frost strike

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instead of a common like you

mossy zinc
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Maybe everyone suddenly playing Hestia this week took some of my motivation to do sub 10 at 32 with Exagryph lol. thanthink

gaunt fiber
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Just don't do Hestia linkShrug

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Honestly

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Crush Shot Drunken Strike Low Tolerance Eris must be fun

mossy zinc
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But then I have to go for Eris WR instead of Hestia WR.

gaunt fiber
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Eris WR will be tough

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iirc it's something like 7:11

mossy zinc
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Sub 7:11 with Eternal Rose start . . .

gaunt fiber
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yeah good luck

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Sub 7 is super grindy even in any heat

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on 32 + Eternal rose hmm

mossy zinc
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I think I've got an idea.

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Should be fun.

bright mango
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ananke and nuhai are racing for sub 7 32 heat right now as we speak

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And to make myself feel better about my throw right now, I just have to look at my 50 throw before

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makes me feel better

mossy zinc
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Just think of all of Astaos's attempts.

gaunt fiber
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:)

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Epic deadly flourish hunter's mark heart rend

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died at Lernie :)

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30 max hp not enough somehow :)

mossy zinc
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RL footage of Astaos playing Guan Yu.

gaunt fiber
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lmao

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it's so accurate

mossy zinc
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1k+ runs, and your Guan Yu runs are no better than your Poseidon Aspect runs.

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Smh.

gaunt fiber
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and he was my favorite teletubby too

gaunt fiber
bright mango
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Wait why is my 50 run not on the victory screen only thing

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on the spreadsheet

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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lmao

bright mango
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oh wait never mind I haven't even submitted it

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I'm dumb

gaunt fiber
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congrats pengy

mossy zinc
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It would be rude to disagree with you. You know yourself better than anyone.

solemn pulsar
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still 5th place overall because of the crazy eris players above me, though I was 3 sacked here, so could have been sub 8

gaunt fiber
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It's clean

solemn pulsar
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That dash strike from chaos was a 5 HP on attack curse I took into heroes from a 34 chaos hehehehe

gaunt fiber
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wow, at EM2 it sure had to be difficult dusa

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jk, great work, juicy triple chaos too

mossy zinc
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Congratulations!

solemn pulsar
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Oh sick I forgot

mossy zinc
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Good to see even more Smoldering Air in 32 Heat than just mine. dusa

solemn pulsar
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Call is basically useless on hestia unless you get it haha

gaunt fiber
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Call saved my Hestia 50

mossy zinc
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Yeah. I think you get like one Greater Call vs Hades normally?

gaunt fiber
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Something like that yeah

mossy zinc
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And none vs Theseus & Asterius.

solemn pulsar
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Does call charge on all@instances of damage?

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Or only like attack/special

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I’ve never looked into the mechanics

mossy zinc
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All.

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But I don't know the specifics, either.

gaunt fiber
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All instances yeah

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Drunken dash Razor shoals ftw

shy gulch
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BLADE DASH

gaunt fiber
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lmao

solemn pulsar
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So yeah +3 dashes and lightning reflexes on hestia helps a lot

gaunt fiber
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tanking dad's sweeps too

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big big help

unique zephyr
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So I'm about to fight EM4 on 32 for practice, when do I time Antos in EM4

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or Meg if I use Meg

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but right now I'm using Antos

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also I'm using tooth, is that correct

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or is acorn or spearpoint better

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mainly curious about tooth vs spearpoint

quartz mantle
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Tooth is usually used in EM4 cause it gives you a lot of extra health

unique zephyr
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no HL this time

quartz mantle
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And Acorn can get screwed over cause of summons in phase 1

unique zephyr
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when do I time summon for EM4

gaunt fiber
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You can either Meg right at the beginning to guarantee it

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or wait like the end of phase 1 when summons are difficult

quartz mantle
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With antos you only want dad on screen so that you get both hits

gaunt fiber
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For Antos you'll prolly keep it for phase 2 or 3 when the two hits are guaranteed on Hades

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Or emergency antos at melee range

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but it won't hit twice

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With Antos I'd wait for phase 3

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Except if I need the iframes

unique zephyr
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died on phase 3

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lol

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I do plan on doing 40 heat regularly though

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so EM4 is worth learning probably

bright mango
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em4 is not required for 40

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But it makes it a lot more fun imo

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no AP2 or CF

unique zephyr
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CF icky

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AP2 extra icky

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Pengy do you have any tips for EM4

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besides git gud lol

bright mango
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Focus on dodging his triple attack

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When he does the third thing, always dodge to the side

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Because there is a chance he throws his spear

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And practice i framing the spins

unique zephyr
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Now that I've done 6 x 32 I'll probably keep EM4 on all the time

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just like I kept FO2 on all the time when I started doing 32

bright mango
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I don't have much experience doing em4, but from the 50+ times I have died to him, practicing dodging the spear chucks is huge

hearty onyx
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The spear throw does the most base damage of all his attacks I think

bright mango
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100 damage iirc

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at this point i dont even know what kills me at the fight

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Pretty much everythingdusa

solemn pulsar
hearty onyx
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Bouldy Carry

solemn pulsar
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always

mossy zinc
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He's done it, Cerberus! dusa

unique zephyr
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I hope grinding EM4 will be worth it

mossy zinc
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Always copy-pasting your messages from #high-heat in the speedrun server.

solemn pulsar
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I can stop if you want

mossy zinc
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Stop Bacchus93?

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I didn't mean you lol.

solemn pulsar
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Oh oop

unique zephyr
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Sorry I just want more answers since different people seem to be active at different times

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Hope I don’t annoy people too much

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Hope you aren’t actually mad

bronze viper
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Lol, no, it's just not particularly useful since most of us check both places

unique zephyr
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Oh which place is more active? I’m curious, probably this one

bronze viper
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Maybe? Most people here check in speedrunning, not visa versa though

bright mango
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^

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I just kinda swap between both

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I think this one has more people

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Since it’s the official supergiant discord

main delta
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how come retrash chose poseidon’s conch shell start for 57 heat hestia?

bright mango
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Idk

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I would assume splash dash or something

mossy zinc
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Probably for Tidal Dash, yeah.

bright mango
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@north dove

north dove
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yup, for splash dash

bright mango
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Ok yeah

main delta
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interesting

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thanks!

bright mango
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Splash dash is so good on hestia

mossy zinc
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@north dove and Huge Catch, right?

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You were hoping to get Huge Catch.

main delta
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ive never really tried it outside of eris and gilga

bright mango
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Huge catch stonks

north dove
bright mango
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Ah a man of culture

mossy zinc
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Huge Catch is really good on Hestia.

solemn pulsar
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hestia week

mossy zinc
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He's done it, Cerberus!

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Nice one! That's a sick time.

solemn pulsar
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thanks

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had some great luck

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got all my favorite hestia boons

solar maple
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wow so fast with JS3

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tidal dash good

solemn pulsar
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tidal dash very good

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I was doing some shackle runs without it and i was just so mad whenever stuff had slivers of HP left

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so i pivoted to the RI0 pact

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the epic razor shoals was a huge get

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EM3 heroes just kinda melted without me doing anything

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and lightning reflexes when you just dash along the edge of asterius's spin attack gets so many procs

bright mango
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Lets go cgull!!

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Is RI0 worth for JS3 and CP2?

solemn pulsar
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I've had speedy runs with RI2 (that died to hades), and a speedy run or two tonight with RI0

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it's really just whatever you're feeling

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and i wasn't feeling a shackle run tonight

shy gulch
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did u start tidal dash, then

solemn pulsar
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yes

shy gulch
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build like an any heat run i suppose

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is arty actually better here

solemn pulsar
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no

shy gulch
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without reliable scaling

solemn pulsar
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just what i ended up with

shy gulch
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ok

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yeah

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fair

solemn pulsar
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got some good critz on hades though

shy gulch
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those are very juicy

solemn pulsar
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my last run that got to hades had a common aphro attack the entire time

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i got like 5+ poms

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none of them hit it

shy gulch
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LOL

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gg

solemn pulsar
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it was the worst damage in the world

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@bright mango 50 heat hestia WR has no hell mode, JS2, CP0, RI2, and ran shackle the whole way

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its really just whatever you're feeling

bright mango
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Ah ok

solemn pulsar
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not sure how lucky hadesprof's run was tho

shy gulch
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didnt he get cluster rockets

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or something

solemn pulsar
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nah it's rocket explosive

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looking at the victory screen now

shy gulch
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ah i might be thinking of an earlier run

solemn pulsar
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rare chaos attack boon

shy gulch
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those arent even great hammers ngl

solemn pulsar
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shackle rocket ain't bad

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epic PP

shy gulch
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im illiterate

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i thought it said cluster explosive

solemn pulsar
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epic dashes with blade dash

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that's the money right there

shy gulch
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ok thats epic

solemn pulsar
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my common aphro EM3 fight took 90 SECONDS wow

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the other run saved 30 second there lmao

unique zephyr
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My next project I’m working on now is zag bow 40

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Zag bow doesn’t mind CF that much right

bronze viper
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At 40? Nah I think it's fine.

edgy arrow
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it’s mostly cast builds that don’t like CF

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it’s annoying but fine on pretty much everything

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hell, my first beo 40 was CF2

bronze viper
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tyler twitches uncontrollably somewhere

shy gulch
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lmfao

solar maple
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after running RI beo CF doesn't even phase me lol

unique zephyr
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RI beo sounds like pain

bronze viper
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RI in general is pain.

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But yeah it's really bad on castspects

solar maple
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if you plan on pressing the cast button more than like 5 times a room don't touch RI until like 55 heat lol

unique zephyr
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Is it because cast aspects need boons so much that no DF hurts a lot more?

solar maple
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yeah they need lots of boons and poms

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also RI is very stinky anyway

bronze viper
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You also lose rerolls, 25% damage from FF, and 100 gold

solar maple
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yeah global damage matters more for casts as well

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so FF is a bigger loss

halcyon flame
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god hera feels so awkward to use

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i died miserably in elysium attempting 32 heat dusa

bronze viper
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32 I think should be alright. I really really struggle with Hera when you can't reliably one shot things. At that point it gets very awkward

halcyon flame
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i tried crush shot and was still struggling to kill things reliably

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i could try trippy flare

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that's basically charge shot beo without the block

celest grail
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and the fact that your casts lodge

bronze viper
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What's your pact?

edgy arrow
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yeah like, reduced lodge time? laughs in beo player

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when you put those two abilities side by side it’s kinda weird

halcyon flame
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hl3/lc4/cf1/em3/fo1/td3

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i like bow and cast builds separately but put together it feels so weird to use for me

bronze viper
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That's only 23?

mossy zinc
halcyon flame
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trying for mirage shot

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i was also trying for greater recall but i haven't been having much luck with it lately

mossy zinc
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IMO you should always go for Snow Burst + Ravenous Will on Hera in Asphodel unless you already have both Poseidon and Lady Artemis in your pool when you get out of Tartarus.

bronze viper
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What happens did you end up getting? You can still end up with bad zag bow as a baseline with Deadly Strike + Twin/Triple/Perfect

edgy arrow
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idk exit wounds is pretty good even if you have no poseidon

mossy zinc
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And even then, going for Lady Demeter still might be the best choice in Asphodel.

bronze viper
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Which is a great baseline considering the free burst

mossy zinc
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Exit Wounds does nothing except on bosses.

halcyon flame
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that means i wouldn't be able to get athena dds

edgy arrow
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sure

mossy zinc
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Or it shouldn't be doing anything except on bosses.

edgy arrow
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it’s useful against bosses tho

halcyon flame
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and having only sd + being bad at using hera can likely lead to failure

edgy arrow
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depends how good your build is ofc

mossy zinc
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Yeah, but it's just useful. It doesn't do very much in your run.

edgy arrow
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if you’re one shotting boss phases it does basically nothing lol

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that’s fair

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what do you think of parting shot on it?

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lets you force athena for heat stuff, which is nice

halcyon flame
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i did also go for parting shot

mossy zinc
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Parting Shot is great if you have Blinding Flash and alright otherwise. You don't build for it. You take it if you see it.

edgy arrow
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makes sense

mossy zinc
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Snow Burst does more for you than Mirage Shot, anyway.

edgy arrow
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i’ve had decent results in the past with it but setting up the bonus isn’t always consistent and sometimes just wastes time

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not sure how much of that was me tho

halcyon flame
edgy arrow
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nah

mossy zinc
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No, it doesn't lodge.

edgy arrow
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you use stygian for trippy hera

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it’s a decent build imo, but worse than aphro cast

halcyon flame
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ok so in that case i'll just build trippy

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it seems more ""reliable"" to me

edgy arrow
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um

mossy zinc
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Trippy Flare relies a lot on +1 ammo from Master Chaos.

edgy arrow
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i’d say the opposite honestly

mossy zinc
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That's reset city.

bronze viper
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Trippy Flare is the high roll build.

edgy arrow
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yeah crush shot is way more reliable

halcyon flame
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what is a high roll build without constant resets

edgy arrow
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trippy flare is a highroll build, same as on beo

halcyon flame
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as long as it ends with a clear screen it's all good

bronze viper
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Until you're forced to take CP, DC, or RI/AP, Hera should have no issues with damage output

edgy arrow
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fair but you said it was reliable lol

halcyon flame
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""""""reliable""""""

mossy zinc
#

Crush Shot > Snow Burst is very reliable, and you'll have Heartbreak Strike for damage, too.

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Flood Shot is also excellent.

halcyon flame
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with that analogy though i might as well go crush shot

edgy arrow
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the only way hera struggles with damage usually (the pacts ledger mentioned aside) is if you accidentally yeet your casts off the map and can’t get them back

mossy zinc
#

Flood Shot can also get Tidal Dash in Tartarus.

edgy arrow
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and ez mirage

halcyon flame
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i'm pretty bad at chasing down my casts

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so i just rely on greater recall

edgy arrow
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that’s one of the advantages of crush shot

mossy zinc
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If you shoot them from point-blank, you won't have to chase. dusa

edgy arrow
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they don’t run away from you

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yeah also what nyaanyaa said

halcyon flame
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skill issue shadegrief

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i like homing fire on rail do i even come across as a good player

edgy arrow
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what even is a good player

mossy zinc
#

If you want to see a strong Hera build at 32 Heat and how to play it, there's this awesome YouTuber I can really recommend? She has the WR at 32 with Hera, too. She uploaded that video just last week! 👸🏽

edgy arrow
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like 90% of the best players in the world think they’re trash because Tailesque and Retrash exist

mossy zinc
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Retrash thinks he's trash with Hestia, then gets high heat WR with Hestia 2 hours later.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

edgy arrow
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idk how retrash can think he’s trash with anything at this point

mossy zinc
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I mean it's in his name.

shy gulch
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well

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its kind of in the name

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man

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i need to type faster

mossy zinc
#

I won this one!

halcyon flame
mossy zinc
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40 Heat is quite the step up from 32.

edgy arrow
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we still have zero hard numbers on how many folks have done 40+

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but it’s prolly not that many in the grand scheme of things

bronze viper
#

We can speculate wildly about soft numbers though

edgy arrow
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just over represented in this community

halcyon flame
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40 heat is scary because of hl5 + fo2

edgy arrow
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yeah

mossy zinc
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I take those at 32.

edgy arrow
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you do speedruns tho

bronze viper
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Also that doesn't count after you've already learned to play with them lol

mossy zinc
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Honestly, they're just doing good on the board because nobody does 32 Heat speedruns lol.

bronze viper
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I'm actually pretty excited to start doing 40 speedruns

edgy arrow
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still counts

bronze viper
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32 is like... the same as any heat, just more punishing

edgy arrow
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i’m gonna milk this 5th place zeus anyheat for all it’s worth

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it wasn’t even very fast

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but technically i’m the 5th best zeus player and no one can take that from me

shy gulch
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oh i need to do a zeus run to knock u out then

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gotta FLEX

bronze viper
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Lmao, I on principle refuse to submit my 27 minute 50 zoos run to a speedrun board

edgy arrow
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until someone takes it from me ofc

bronze viper
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I used all buffalo parts

edgy arrow
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it’s embarrassing for all concerned atm

shy gulch
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LOL

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i will try when i get some time

edgy arrow
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the funny part is i only beat #6 by less than a 3rd of a second

bronze viper
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Still counts, #6 is a trash fire, confirmed.

edgy arrow
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lmao

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ofc ofc

mossy zinc
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It's important to make a statement.

edgy arrow
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top 5 is where it’s at, everyone knows

bronze viper
#

Real talk though, top 5 for aotw this week for heat gonna be rough

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Hestia too democratizing

edgy arrow
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what’s the aspect?

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oh

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yea

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i should learn hestia at some point honestly

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still haven’t got a 50

bronze viper
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I know Bright is planning 53, and I'm working on 51->52

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Retrash already Retrashed

shy gulch
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hestia is gonna be brutal for speed and heat

honest kernel
#

is aspect of the week a thing from the speed discord?

shy gulch
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yeah

honest kernel
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I see

mossy zinc
#

I had top 5 32 Heat when I submitted it, but then somebody decided to make this stupid AOTW thingie and chose Hestia for it, and that made cgull go out of their way to beat their 32 Heat Hestia PB, and now my top 5 is top 6 instead before it's even verified. shadedisgruntled

shy gulch
#

its started to get adopted by the gang here for high heat too now

bronze viper
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Lol, Hestia in that weird space where it's the "easiest" 50 but then you come to terms with the fact that every point past 50 is pain.

mossy zinc
#

Curse them. shadedisgruntled

shy gulch
#

which is very nice to see

bronze viper
#

It's fun. So many very good players playing Chiron well above the heat range sane people should ever play Chiron last week.

edgy arrow
#

did anyone win

bronze viper
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What does that mean

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lol

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Oh you meant their runs

edgy arrow
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i mean, did they get clears or just like, experience pain for a bit

bronze viper
#

Astaos never made the 50, Retrash beat my WR on his first shot (52 now)

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Astaos played nonstop Chiron for a week lmao

edgy arrow
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ye but that’s Retrash

mossy zinc
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Astaos is good at not making 50.

shy gulch
#

oof

edgy arrow
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has astaos ever tried an actually good weapon for 50

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like hestia or whatever

bronze viper
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I tried 52 for a while but didn't quite make it. I practiced EM4 on Sunday though and kind of steamrolled it on my mediocre practice save. I'll go back to do the 52 at some point.

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He finished Hestia in a bit over an hour

edgy arrow
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ah yeah

bronze viper
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He's done GY, Eris, and Hestia

edgy arrow
#

that doesn’t surprise me

bronze viper
#

Beowulf is... a gigantic mental brickwall for him

edgy arrow
#

eris seems to get ludicrous harder between 45 and 50

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based on my relatively few tries

bronze viper
#

I gave him a hard time for crushing Eris at 50 but struggling on Beo lol

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Like how.

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Eris is a gigantic 💩 at 50

edgy arrow
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beo weird is how

shy gulch
#

ye beo is very unusual

edgy arrow
#

it’s just a weird weapon

bronze viper
#

Beo is his second most used weapon now lol

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By a lot

edgy arrow
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that’s either a pro or a con depending the person

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lmao

mossy zinc
#

Second most doesn't mean much when he's played every other weapon like 2 times. dusa

edgy arrow
#

it’s funny how for heat heat, most played aspects are almost universally the ones we’re worst at

bronze viper
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At least by win percentage

edgy arrow
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mixed in with the ones we’re obsessed with ofc

bronze viper
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I know lovecrimson and lapis were also trying 50/52 Chiron but they didn't get there. They got really close several times though

edgy arrow
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would’ve been cool if a bunch of people had won

bronze viper
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Chiron was not meant for such heights lmao. It's like trying to fit a Chiron shaped peg into a good aspect shaped hole.

edgy arrow
#

we’d randomly have like 10 more chiron 50s on the board

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suddenly chiron is the high heat meta choice

bronze viper
#

I mean it's 52 now

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It's above... a lot of aspects now

edgy arrow
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lmao

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this is stupid and great

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you go chiron

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it was actually my first favourite aspect

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then i briefly become a fists main before realising i’m actually a coward and switching to shield

unique zephyr
#

Hestia became my best aspect but I’ve only gone up to 40 with it

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I did do mirrorless 32 with it too though which I found harder than 40 in some ways

bronze viper
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Yeah, 40 Hestia is kind of the aspect's sweet spot. You can just do whatever and it's fine. 32 mirrorless still asks a lot of hard questions and requires specific types of play.

halcyon flame
edgy arrow
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all weapons mirrorless would be a fun goal

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but swords and spears exist

halcyon flame
#

zagius mirrorless? more like fresh file

edgy arrow
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lol yep

edgy arrow
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not really, but by the data

waxen relic
bronze viper
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Just the normal crowd at the top though. Tail got 51, Retrash 52, then a couple of 45s

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Chiron hard

edgy arrow
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ye but you do mirrorless cast aspects for fun atticor

bronze viper
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Or bad. Same difference.

wintry berry
#

Speaking of Hestia, I've just done a 52 heat clear. I had to place some special bombs to meet the dps check.

edgy arrow
#

oh lit

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congrats!

bronze viper
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Nice!

mossy zinc
#

Excalibur mirrorless 32 is very easy.

edgy arrow
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is it? huh

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might give that a try then

mossy zinc
#

Guan Yu is also really good at mirrorless.

edgy arrow
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ok but counterpoint

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it’s GY

bronze viper
#

It's Stygius though so I'll remain skeptical.

waxen relic
#

you get 4 free heat on GY

edgy arrow
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LC4 is the opposite of free on anything

halcyon flame
#

mirrorless 32 heat is daunting

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at least you have 8 free heat

edgy arrow
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it’s possible to take it, but it’s far from free

mossy zinc
#

You can cap your HP all the time with Guan Yu lol.

waxen relic
#

you get to do FO0

edgy arrow
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yeah good point

waxen relic
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and no HL and stuff

edgy arrow
#

way easier to spin with FO0

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true true

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now i think about it the other spear aspects sound harder

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if i can get charged skewer it probably would be pretty straightforward

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not a lot of room for error tho

waxen relic
#

still better than Cursed Slash

bronze viper
#

Cursed Slash seems fine on FO0

solar maple
#

it's so funny watching astaos play beo

mossy zinc
#

Instead of hypothesizing how hard or not it's gonna be, just give it a try lol.

solar maple
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because I'm so used to him tiptoeing around the map dodging everything

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but with beo he just doesn't care and wades through 6 blue lernie heads lol

edgy arrow
bronze viper
#

He puts himself in very problematic positions then gets frustrated that Beowulf would deign to allow him to take damage from his intensely greedy shields

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It's a joy

halcyon flame
#

"how dare this shield not protect me" proceeds to only ever hold block for a fraction of a second

solar maple
#

mirrorless isn't that bad

halcyon flame
#

it's basically 24 heat

solar maple
#

it is way harder than the same heat with RI0

mossy zinc
#

@waxen relic you haven't done all weapons mirrorless yet, right? Or did you not submit some of your runs?

bronze viper
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Whenever @waxen relic posts a run with RI0 I get slightly disappoint

mossy zinc
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lol

bronze viper
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False advertising

waxen relic
#

I have a screen only ZagRail, but i'm missing Bow and Fists still

mossy zinc
#

I did my last weapon last week.

solar maple
#

bow should really not be too bad

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1 dash fists? bleh

mossy zinc
#

Just gonna have to redo Malphon sometime since I did that in Early Access. Haven't done it since 1.0 yet.

waxen relic
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Been trying Shackle Hera lately, it's not too bad, but it needs to come together

mossy zinc
#

I just did Chiron.

waxen relic
mossy zinc
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Chiron is fun.

waxen relic
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Hera is a cast Weapon

edgy arrow
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chiron is fun in the same way i'm about to have fun with mirrorless GY

mossy zinc
#

You should do a Tempest Strike spin build for that.

edgy arrow
#

smart

mossy zinc
#

You'd be surprised at how easy and safe that run was lol.

edgy arrow
#

... well, i can’t resist a challenge

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imma build for sea storm

mossy zinc
#

Don't even need Sea Storm. It just does so much knockback, you'll get so many wall slams lol.

#

And nothing is gonna reach you.

edgy arrow
#

ye but it’s funnier if i have sea storm

mossy zinc
#

For sure.

#

You'll just want to like try to spin your enemies towards walls, ideally. But you kind of get the hang of it over the run.

hoary pasture
#

That looks really fun ngl

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Should try that sometime lol

mossy zinc
#

If enemies are already close to the wall, you can actually get the full spin to hit as it pushes them into the corner.

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But like when you're away from the wall, it will knock them back so far lol.

#

But you're still like constantly healing from your spins, and your Dash-Strike will have good knockback, too.

edgy arrow
#

yeah this isn’t too bad

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idk whether i’ll win tho; that furies was a little touch and go

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prolly shouldn’t have opted for chamber 13 chaos

hoary pasture
#

yea Id probably hate Asphodel with that

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would take me ages

mossy zinc
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lol but you did make it.

edgy arrow
#

true

mossy zinc
#

It gets a lot better when you pick up Razor Shoals.

mossy zinc
edgy arrow
#

honestly i’m just gonna force athena and hope i don’t die at this point

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i got charged shot so damage should be fine

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charged skewer lol

waxen relic
#

you don't get DDs from Athena btw

edgy arrow
#

beo player brain

#

true

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but divine dash good

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, Divine Dash is still good.

waxen relic
#

ofc

mossy zinc
#

In the solo head Lernie phases, you can heal up pretty easily.

#

So you should be safe from suddenly dying to head slams.

#

HL5 head slams do 32, so definitely stay above that lol.

edgy arrow
#

okay good to know

#

i’m doing HL0 lol

mossy zinc
#

Oh.

#

16 damage then.

#

If you have 33+ HP, you can take 2 head slams and still be fine.

edgy arrow
#

my max is 40 rn

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feels very low lol

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, try to get Centaur Hearts and Darkness chambers to raise that.

edgy arrow
#

got sea storm pog

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now i gotta win

mossy zinc
#

lol very nice.

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It looks like Darkness rewards and Centaur Hearts don't add a lot of HP, but because you can always cap your HP in normal encounters, they actually add a lot of eHP over your run.

edgy arrow
#

yeah that’s fair

#

i missed a couple in tart for boons i wanted, might have been a mistake

waxen relic
#

i think getting the build online is more important

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, you want to get the build, and then after that you can focus on HP.

edgy arrow
#

lol stray speeder flamewheel

#

one dash bad

#

but yeah this does seem doable

mossy zinc
#

You can heal up on other enemies, thankfully.

edgy arrow
#

yeah

#

it was only an issue because i played like a moron in the previous chamber and started the next room with like 3 hp

#

hadn't had time to build up yet

mossy zinc
#

Still alive or no?

edgy arrow
#

oh no i was killed by that flamewheel

mossy zinc
#

Very unfortunate.

edgy arrow
#

indeed

#

i'll put some more time into at some point, its definitely not as hard as i thought it would be

#

still kinda hard tho lol

honest kernel
#

finally, I'm free

#

🤢

#

this run was stupid as hell

edgy arrow
#

haha congrats!

honest kernel
#

I got 4-sacked and only smoldering air in styx

edgy arrow
#

i am still not free of gilga 40

honest kernel
#

idk how I went so fast

#

strong drink does a lot

#

oh yeah I also got chaos attack

mossy zinc
#

Congratulations! 💕

#

Strong Drink + Smoldering Air is a nice combo.

honest kernel
#

ruthless reflex on gilga worked out so well thx for the tip

mossy zinc
#

That Zeus' Aid probably still did a lot of your damage regardless.

#

💕

honest kernel
mossy zinc
#

Oh, and that's Breaching Cross. That will certainly speed things up.

#

Breaching Cross does ridiculous damage in any chambers with armored enemies.

#

Like, it's always the top source of your damage in those encounters.

honest kernel
#

thats true

#

im just suprised I got away with only gilga attack and ash strike through the whole run

shy gulch
#

breaching cross is ridiculous yeah

honest kernel
#

well until styx then I fired up the smoldering air machine

shy gulch
#

but imagine not going full dash build on gilga 40

#

insane!

honest kernel
#

I dont even know why I maxed the aspect, maim is completly unsuable

mossy zinc
#

I actually don't remember what I did for Gilgamesh at 40, or if I did it. I think I did, though.

hoary pasture
#

Aphro dash maybe bouldy

honest kernel
#

I had a run with aphro dash too it was nice

#

but I didnt win and next try I got epic strike shadeembarassed

shy gulch
#

i used tidal dash myself

honest kernel
#

tidal dash+seastorm?

shy gulch
#

dont think i ever actually got sea storm

honest kernel
#

lol

shy gulch
#

i think i just got +3 dashes, tidal dash, and razor shoals

#

or something like that

honest kernel
#

I mean I guess tidal does a lot on its own

mossy zinc
#

She literally gave me Epic Heartbreak Strike start like 10-or-so times in a row when I did Zag Shield 32 the other day lol.

shy gulch
#

ended up not attacking throughout all of elysium till dad

#

it was literally just a dash only build

hoary pasture
#

Gods' pride ftw

mossy zinc
#

Yup. Permanent record says I did 40 with it.

#

Funny how I remember my first 41 so vividly, but then at some point you don't remember that you did 40 with an aspect at all lol.

honest kernel
mossy zinc
#

Looking through my posts in #h1-victory-boasting. It's probably gonna show Heartbreak Strike + Smoldering Air lol.

#

Oh.

#

Merciful End.

#

Ew.

#

I'll have to do it properly again to cleanse myself of this.

honest kernel
#

lady aphrodite is not pleased

mossy zinc
#

As high priestess, I definitely need to do better.

#

Fresh file run #3 lol.

ember bronze
#

Hi all—I haven’t played in ages

#

I feel like it’s so hard to “catch up” in discord, on the broad strokes of what people have figured out about strategy

#

Any big new things since...November 😛

celest grail
#

theres nothing too big since nov i think, just read through the patch notes and you should be good

#

some essential changes include eris buff now lasts 4 secs, tidal dash is no longer a pre-req for sea storm, and achilles special buffer is improved (so its much faster now, in a sense)

edgy arrow
#

that's kind of an open ended question lol

#

as Paper said, there's only really been a couple of significant changes to the game itself, but in terms of meta? idek where to start

#

tryna remember what stuff was like back in november lol

celest grail
#

have there been meta changes since nov? ive only started really playing meta builds in like jan id say

edgy arrow
#

for sure

celest grail
#

i suppose there are some changes, ZAP fists isnt as good on speedrunning

#

achilles spear is amazing for speedrunning because of the special buffer

edgy arrow
#

meta for this game is still developing

celest grail
#

hades call was also nerfed, a huge change btw

#

it only has 2 bars now, and hence charges up much slower

#

its still amazing for speedrunning, since its free dmg, but the nerf exists

#

pom blossom was also nerfed iirc

edgy arrow
#

yeah with regards to speedrunning; the high heat and speed communities are a lot closer now, so there's a lot more cross pollination of players and ideas

#

beo is kind of a big deal for heat now lol

celest grail
#

chiron is now the fastest non-eris aspect on the boards btw

#

6:17

edgy arrow
#

beo meta is flood flare into mirage shot instead of passion flare

#

hera uses crush shot now; the weird interactions got patched out

gaunt fiber
edgy arrow
#

Baj beat routed 64 heat on zeus shield

celest grail
#

oh also eris has sub 6'd

edgy arrow
#

yeah its defs a good thing

celest grail
#

5:57

edgy arrow
#

yeah there was a sub 6 in nov tho

#

lili's previous record: 5:56

celest grail
#

oh right

#

1.0 record

#

didnt know about that

edgy arrow
#

what else major has happened lol

#

i'm sure there's been loads of stuff

bright forum
#

sorry to interrupt, if i am

#

gonna try to get the epilogue aka heat 10

#

which things should i activate?

edgy arrow
#

do you need to beat 10 heat for the epilogue?

#

news to me

bright forum
#

apparently so

edgy arrow
#

i was already heat pushing by the time it was added so that could be true lol

bright forum
#

otherwise, how did you get it?

edgy arrow
#

something like TD2 EM2 MM UC should be fine

#

off the top of my head

#

there's really a lot of options at 10 heat tho

#

for aspect, just use the one you're most comfortable with

bright forum
#

oooo

#

that combo sounds fun af

#

im not used to the abbreviations so once i checked the list and saw what you meant

#

i went O_O

#

:D

edgy arrow
#

lol

bright forum
#

know what's funny tho

#

highest ive gone is 5? i think

#

so im jumping all the way to 10 bc why not

edgy arrow
#

lol do it

bright forum
#

nothing cursed slash (hopefully) can't handle

edgy arrow
#

some folks in here jumped from like 5 to 32

bright forum
#

god i love cursed slash man

edgy arrow
#

ah, a cursed slash fan

#

folks either love or hate that hammer

bright forum
#

really now

#

what's to hate

#

you can be so much more aggresive

#

and it pays off

edgy arrow
#

-60% health is a pretty hefty downside lol

bright forum
#

not when you gain it back in 3-4 attacks

edgy arrow
#

the main issue is that if you're running HL5 stuff just one shots you

#

but you don't need to do that yet

bright forum
#

ah

#

high heat tings

#

well following your combo, im confident

#

ive done em2 so ik what to expect up to hydra

#

hydra on tho idk, so dont say nothin ;P

#

anywho, wish me luck, gonna be my last run of the night probably

edgy arrow
#

do it in one go

#

i believe

bright forum
#

oh i believe too homie

#

:D

#

will update on the outcome

edgy arrow
#

good luck

bright forum
#

<3

#

F

#

got a hammer first

#

no cursed slash

#

it's over boss

#

ah poo forgot to change my keepsake too

#

that's a wipe lmao

#

oh

#

very interesting

#

i wiped, then tried again

#

same hammer

#

same choices

edgy arrow
#

did you use "give up" in the menu?

bright forum
#

yes i did

edgy arrow
#

yeah if you do that you'll have the same seed for the run

bright forum
#

ah

edgy arrow
#

if you want a new seed you gotta die

bright mango
#

^

edgy arrow
#

kinda weird but you get used to it

bright forum
#

F

bright mango
#

Just put on RI4

bright forum
#

alright time to let this mob kill me then

bright mango
#

You can die really quickly

#

RI4 + HS is the quickest way to die in the game

edgy arrow
#

lol that's the weird thing i didn't think about when i started trying out speedruns

#

dying is such a pain

#

with HL5 HS and SD i can die whenever i want without effort

#

but on a speedrun its like "oh boy better lose all 12 of my DDs"

bright mango
#

Yeah dying in speedruns takes forever

bright forum
#

lol got lucky and got a chaos gate

#

attack -4 health each time

#

then i forgot i had 3 death defiances

bright mango
#

I just leave my switch down and get a drink of water or something

bright forum
#

oh shoot i had a 13 streak going lmfao

edgy arrow
#

lol smart

bright forum
#

whatever

edgy arrow
#

oof

#

yeah high heat players don't tend to care much about streaks

bright mango
#

It’s just a lot of dying

kindred panther
#

does Quick Recovery work even when doing LC4?

edgy arrow
#

pretty sure it does

#

i don't take it that often tho

bright mango
#

It does

kindred panther
#

so is that the only possible way to heal during LC4?

bright mango
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Stubborn defiance

edgy arrow
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other than cursed slash and GY and SD etc. yeah

kindred panther
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besides that

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okay

edgy arrow
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also that malphon hammer

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draining cutter

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i'm pretty sure that's all of them if you ignore things that just increase your max health

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and patty

bright forum
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hol up i see nothing that starts w SD

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whats that

edgy arrow
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oh stubborn defiance

gaunt fiber
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Draining cutter, Guan Yu's spin, Cursed Slash, quick recovery

bright forum
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ah

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alright take 2

gaunt fiber
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Picking up centaur's hearts is also "healing"

edgy arrow
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in a manner of speaking yes

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but when people ask what can heal on LC4, they usually already know that max health buffs still work

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lmao that would be rough if they didn't

bright mango
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Oh no

bright forum
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foooooooooooooooock no cursed slash

bright mango
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Like the centaur souls?

edgy arrow
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yeah lol

bright mango
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Oh no

bright forum
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saw a hammer and was excited, then went :(

edgy arrow
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resetting for cursed slash probably isn't the worst thing you could do, but if you want something more reliable you could try eris

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depending on how comfortable you are with rail

bright forum
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yeah that's a negative boss

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never used rail before

edgy arrow
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fair enough

bright forum
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fastest time i've done is w blade hence why i want my mf cursed slash

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also ive touched spike traps 3 times due to ignorant dashing

edgy arrow
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bare in mind that double edge is also an extremely good hammer on stygius, so you might not want to reset if you see that

bright forum
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something i never do, im throwing btw

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i didnt get that either unfortunately

edgy arrow
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fair

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yeah a lotta sword hammers are... not good

bright forum
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i went w super nova bc nemesis

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y not

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hoarding slash i dont really like

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and the leaping special i hate

edgy arrow
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hoarding slash is a meme

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lol someone here beat 55 heat with dash nova and thunder flourish recently

bright mango
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Double edge is insane on nemesis

edgy arrow
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everyone was confused and impressed

bright mango
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Well that’s retrash

edgy arrow
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yup

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peak retrash

bright forum
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remind me what double edge is again

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dash strike hits twice?

bright mango
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Yeah

edgy arrow
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yep

bright forum
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ahhhhhhhhh

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yup

gaunt fiber
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it allows Nemesis to deal damage

bright forum
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used that one before

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i think that's how i got my fastest run lel

edgy arrow
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yeah it good

bright mango