#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 306

solar storm Mar 28, 2021, 1:14 AM

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You gotta do itttt

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:14 AM

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I think artemis is the only one I have bonded and that was because of my 50 hestia resets

solar storm Mar 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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O-o I don’t know what that is

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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And artemis wasnt even the one who made me clear

solar storm Mar 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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But I love Artemis

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:15 AM

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Aphrodite all the way

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True

daring elk Mar 28, 2021, 1:16 AM

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64 heat sounds unplayable lol

solar storm Mar 28, 2021, 1:16 AM

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daring elk 64 heat sounds unplayable lol

I saw it made heat gauge cry and decided against it

short sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:20 AM

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daring elk 64 heat sounds unplayable lol

Well it has yet to be completed so in many ways it is

daring elk Mar 28, 2021, 1:21 AM

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honestly not surprised

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:21 AM

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it sort of has -- max heat has been completed routed, but never unseeded

daring elk Mar 28, 2021, 1:21 AM

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i assume the main reason for it not having been completed is tight deadline?

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:21 AM

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the unseeded wr is 60 by tailesque. The 64 route was played by baj

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tight deadline is hard when combined with all the other pacts but I would not say that is the main thing

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the hardest part is routine inspection 4

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:23 AM

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The hardest part is not dying.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:23 AM

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yes

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which RI4 makes much harder haha

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:23 AM

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RI4 is free if you don’t get hit

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Stonks

short sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:25 AM

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solar maple it *sort of* has -- max heat has been completed routed, but never unseeded

I consider routed 64 to be more like ~55 or so. It invalidates AP2, RI1, and arguably TD3 to a degree because you can plop free rooms into your route.

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:25 AM

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Wow, Pengy787, you're like a genius or something.

short sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Like its cool to watch but i think unseeded 60 by tails is much more impressive

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:26 AM

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Routed 64 is routed 64. There's no need to compare it to unseeded.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:26 AM

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while it does invalidate those a pact with all but those would be insanely hard. much harder than the pact you would take at that heat level

short sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:26 AM

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(Impressive from a gameplay standpoint, i find the routed process itself to be super cool)

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:26 AM

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mossy zinc Wow, Pengy787, you're like a genius or something.

Thanks squirtyay

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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I could stand absolutely no chance on that route

daring elk Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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approval process and routine inspection sound like the opposite of fun :/

short sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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solar maple while it does invalidate those a pact with all but those would be insanely hard....

Yeah true not having dd or double dash is pretty insane

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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solar maple I could stand absolutely no chance on that route

Same lol

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It requires you not to get hit

daring elk Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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probably not gonna ever touch them if i can avoid it

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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I've cleared 50 heat zeus so I'm not terrible at it

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but I would be demolished

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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daring elk approval process and routine inspection sound like the opposite of fun :/

You would be correct

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:27 AM

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AP and RI are fun.

short sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Im definitely not trying to suggest it isnt extraordinarily impressive, just justifying my reasoning for saying 64 heat has not been completed: because it hasnt yet

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:28 AM

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yeah you don't really need to touch AP or especially RI until very high heat

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my 56 heat pact right now is RI0 with every other heat maxed lol

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:29 AM

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Well you’re doing beo

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So em4 stonks

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Also RI0 is the most amazing feeling

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 1:30 AM

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short sedge Im definitely not trying to suggest it isnt extraordinarily impressive, just jus...

that is why I made the distinction between the seeded and unseeded records

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Both are amazing in their own ways

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Both me and myself are amazing. squirtdevious

short sedge Mar 28, 2021, 1:34 AM

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bright mango Both are amazing in their own ways

Indeed nothing but respect for baj

tidal flame Mar 28, 2021, 1:36 AM

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mossy zinc AP and RI are fun.

Weirdchamp

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Hrm. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/825545337603096586/Hades_1906.png?width=816&height=459

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shadedisgruntled

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 1:55 AM

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@mossy zinc I have trouble against the timer in bosses with Poseidon Sword, since you just did a fast clear I'd like tips on how to be faster

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i find myself chasing the casts a lot

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just died to Hades 😦

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Why are you chasing the Casts? They drop like right in front of you when you dislodge them.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 1:56 AM

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daring elk 64 heat sounds unplayable lol

it's very doable, just very hard

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Use your Special after his spin.

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Sometimes the casts miss

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i don't know why

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:56 AM

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Well.

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 1:56 AM

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I have trouble with asterius and theseus too

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EM3

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mainly asterius

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Don't miss.

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 1:57 AM

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but theseus feels way too fast to hit with the casts

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Don't do EM3 then.

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 1:57 AM

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asterius doesn't leave many openings

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hm

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i wonder if more hard labor would work

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Lernie is hard too but not a timer killer

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:58 AM

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If you do EM3, you go after Theseus when he's just chilling and talking to the crowd.

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Well, I just did a speedrun pact. I dunno, you could probably handle that, too.

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 1:58 AM

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what about Asterius

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Messing up when most of the RNG was stacked in my favor feels bad

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 1:59 AM

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He'll be right next to Theseus, so you won't really have to worry about that.

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I dunno what your build is, anyway.

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 2:05 AM

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I'm doing Athena cast

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with Zeus for phalanx shot (I usually take the call)

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last time I had smoldering air and managed to lose (with zeus call)

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 2:17 AM

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@unique zephyr m uploading the video if you want to watch. Should be done soon.

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 2:17 AM

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mossy zinc <@!266732686838595606> m uploading the video if you want to watch. Should be don...

OK, can you ping me with the link when you're done?

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 2:17 AM

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Sure.

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 2:35 AM

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unique zephyr last time I had smoldering air and managed to lose (with zeus call)

Call matters a lot more on aspects that build gauge fast naturally, anyway. Smoldering Air just supercharges it on them. On others, Smoldering Air will supplement your damage nicely but not really carry on its own.

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 2:36 AM

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when i get my new mouse in i'm gonna try to do the whole no weapon thing

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idk smoldering air is like the obvious thing to do with that but that sounds like cheese

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i think blade dash for dmg definitely but what cast would i go for

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 2:42 AM

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At that point, just do a Cast build with Crush Shot + Snow Burst or something, and just roll for Quick Reload.

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 2:44 AM

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dire steppe when i get my new mouse in i'm gonna try to do the whole no weapon thing

Isn't this just Zag Sword?

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 2:45 AM

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no

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cruel thrust is op

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 3:10 AM

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I was trying more 50 heat hestia/rama today. I feel like I have a better chance at 56 beo lol

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Rama feels impossible

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 3:15 AM

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rama is impossible

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 3:15 AM

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i'm even worse at hestia than rama lol

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maybe I'll start seeding my rama runs for twin

dark raptor Mar 28, 2021, 3:17 AM

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So I just finished my first successful run. What do I want to go for for my first heat run?

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Just try whatever sounds fun.

dark raptor Mar 28, 2021, 3:20 AM

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I’m going to go with all of them just to see how quickly I die

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Couldn’t get through the first room. won’t be doing that again.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 3:21 AM

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sounds about right haha

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64 heat is very hard. It has only been done routed (rng manipulated to be pretty much perfect). never unseeded

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imo some of the fun heat to try are extreme measures and middle management

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they give the bosses/minibosses new attack patterns and can be pretty fun!

patent isle Mar 28, 2021, 3:39 AM

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dire steppe when i get my new mouse in i'm gonna try to do the whole no weapon thing

what is "no weapon?"

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 3:39 AM

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unbind atack and special

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and also you can't use poseidon or beo or gilga or hera bow

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since those would modify the cast/dash action

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so its not like weapon independent tehn

patent isle Mar 28, 2021, 3:40 AM

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interesting lol

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 3:49 AM

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solar maple imo some of the fun heat to try are extreme measures and middle management

AP2 is a fun and interesting pact

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 3:58 AM

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unironically agree for someone trying out low heat take ap2

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forces you to take boons you unconsciously avoid

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 3:58 AM

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Wat

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 3:58 AM

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so you can see for yourself how to use the weapon.

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 3:59 AM

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I guess

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But it still sucks

patent isle Mar 28, 2021, 4:01 AM

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dire steppe unironically agree for someone trying out low heat take ap2

kind of a great take

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 4:05 AM

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take

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 4:05 AM

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dire steppe unironically agree for someone trying out low heat take ap2

I strongly disagree

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For me a lot of the fun is having good builds come together and making decisions on boons and hammers

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AP2 takes away both

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I only took AP1 for the prophecy, it sucked

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I tried AP1 for Hestia 40, while Hestia can handle AP1 it was so annoying to me

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:09 AM

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dire steppe forces you to take boons you unconsciously avoid

@unique zephyr

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This is what they were talking about

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 4:09 AM

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i wouldnt recommend it for like 16 or higher even

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just ap2 to screw around and get a feel for the every single boon

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 AM

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To make new players try out different boons

dire steppe Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 AM

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and hammers too

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kinetic launcher doesn’t sound op but it is

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:11 AM

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I love it

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Instant special

unique zephyr Mar 28, 2021, 4:12 AM

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dire steppe i wouldnt recommend it for like 16 or higher even

Oh I was thinking of my 16 heat clears a long time ago where if I took AP2 it would have sucked

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I didn’t know you meant even lower

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AP2 as your only heat is a good experiment if you’re into that

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I might try it at low heat after sword 32 just to force myself to try stuff I don’t touch

wicked terrace Mar 28, 2021, 4:41 AM

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im so tilted trying to beat 32 heat =_=
it feels sooo unfair

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maybe there are some absolutely broken builds i can use to guarantee a run?

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i want to get it over with and take a break but i cant 😦

celest grail Mar 28, 2021, 4:44 AM

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There's no real broken builds, it all comes down to your skill

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Hestia, eris and chiron were the easiest for me on 32

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also make sure you're using the right pacts, it can make a lot of difference. There's a pinned message in this channel detailing what pact options are the easiest for 32 heat

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It can also help to watch other players and see how they dodge normal enemies and bosses etc

shy plinth Mar 28, 2021, 4:50 AM

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Def worth posting your mirror and pact to make sure you're not missing anything

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It's just another set of restrictions to get used to

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:04 AM

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choosing pacts and picking out which ones you can handle and which ones you can't is very important

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:07 AM

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I think the #1 factor is just practice, anyway.

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 5:09 AM

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is parting shot good on true shot or should I sell it

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(I have shadow slash)

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not sure if it even works

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Shadow Slash only works on sword's attack

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And Parting Shot True Shot ? If you are forced to sell it, sure sell Parting Shot

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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I am not forced

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I just doubt it's usefulness and think gold would be better

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:12 AM

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Depends on how much you rely on casts

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 5:13 AM

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poseidon sword

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:13 AM

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But I'd say it could be worth

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Hmm

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Parting Shot is good.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:13 AM

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You might want to keep it

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 5:13 AM

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okay I'll keep it then

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Get Blinding Flash if you can.

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Blinding Flash if you have Parting Shot is the only +% boon that you can get for your Cast. And it has really good pom scaling. It's really really good.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:15 AM

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what do you guys count as "high heat"

magic knoll Mar 28, 2021, 5:15 AM

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is guan yu hard to use in 32 heat?

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been using eris and dying in elysium 😔

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:15 AM

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honest kernel what do you guys count as "high heat"

Typically 32+, but there's no hard rule.

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32 minimum is required for the high heat leaderboard, though.

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 5:16 AM

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mossy zinc Blinding Flash if you have Parting Shot is the only +% boon that you can get for...

oki

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:17 AM

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there's a high heat leaderboard?

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did I miss something

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It's pinned in this channel

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Community leaderboards more then anything

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:19 AM

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It's about as official as the speedrun leaderboard.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Well yeah, no disagreeing on that

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Actually, we're officialer because our leaderboard is pinned. squirtdevious

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:20 AM

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... technically, yes. oh boi

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:26 AM

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magic knoll is guan yu hard to use in 32 heat?

Depends entirely on how comfortable you are playing the aspect.

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If you just keep resetting until you get Charged Skewer in Tartarus, it's gonna be way easier than otherwise.

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Charged Skewer is just that good.

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But you can absolutely do 32 with Guan Yu without Charged Skewer.

magic knoll Mar 28, 2021, 5:31 AM

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yea i got charged skewer guan yu earlier and did pretty well

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i think i'll just use that since it provides an alternative to healing other than SD as well

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:32 AM

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But you'll also only have 50% HP and only get 50% HP from any HP you pick up.

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I'd suggest you start with the Eternal Rose and pick up Epic/Rare Heartbreak Flourish > Epic Heartbreak Strike > common Heartbreak Flourish.

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Not in that order but with that priority.

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From your first boon.

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If you start with Flourish, any % Strike will be good.

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If you start with Strike, you'll want Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish. Both are great.

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Any other % Flourish can also work if you're not getting them, but ideally you want one of those two.

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Hunter Dash, Divine Dash, and Tidal Dash are best.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:40 AM

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both deadly and heartbreak have great damage output

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:40 AM

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Cast you want any Cast that lodges for Boiling Blood. Base Cast is perfectly fine, too.

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Call I'd take anything but Ares' Aid tbh.

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The only boons I want from Lord Ares on Guan Yu are Urge to Kill and Battle Rage.

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And just anything that's not a core boon lol.

magic knoll Mar 28, 2021, 5:42 AM

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ah alright then

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:42 AM

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deadly flourish is amazing with hunter's mark

magic knoll Mar 28, 2021, 5:42 AM

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i've been using deadly flourish but i'll try heartbreak this time

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:42 AM

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Weak is amazing.

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And her Duo Boons are amazing.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:43 AM

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weak is amazing

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so if you're using deadly flourish then get heartbreak strike and empty inside for heart rend :>>>>

shy plinth Mar 28, 2021, 5:44 AM

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I prefer sweet surrender

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Don't need longer debuff uptime if they die

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:44 AM

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longer debuff uptime is good for bosses

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and in general since you can easily apply weak with attack then forget about it for like a solid 8-10 seconds

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:45 AM

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If you have Charged Skewer, Heartbreak Flourish, Tidal Dash, and get Sweet Nectar, all you need for the rest of the run are poms and Centaur Hearts lol.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:45 AM

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also chaos gates

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:45 AM

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halcyon flame so if you're using deadly flourish then get heartbreak strike and empty inside f...

Heartbreak Flourish + Deadly Strike > Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:45 AM

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gotta get that sweet +special damage

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:46 AM

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Honestly.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:46 AM

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mossy zinc Heartbreak Flourish + Deadly Strike > Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike.

that sounds like a quick spin build

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:46 AM

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No, Charged Skewer.

shy plinth Mar 28, 2021, 5:46 AM

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Higher base damage vs higher crit chance

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So anything you don't destroy you can hit with attacks and crit

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:47 AM

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what's deadly strike even for then? pressure points from arty?

shy plinth Mar 28, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Bosses

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:49 AM

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i don't see why you'd bother with arty on heartbreak charged skewer outside of maybe pressure points

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike has a couple issues over the reverse: (1) Deadly Flourish keeps failing to one-shot armor or enemies when not critting where Heartbreak Flourish would one-shot them every time, and (2) Deadly Flourish gets practically no benefit from Heart Rend for most of the run because you start the combo with Special and finish them off with Dash-Strikes.

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If you have Heartbreak Flourish + Deadly Strike, practically all of your crits will benefit from Heart Rend.

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A good example for 1 is that Heartbreak Flourish with poms on it will typically kill Lernie heads in 2 shots.

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Deadly Flourish will kill the heads in 2-4 shots depending on crits.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:53 AM

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i got a 15:15 clear time with deadly flourish, if i get a better time than that with heartbreak guess that'll be the selling point for me

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 5:53 AM

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Personal experience is nice and all

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But numbers are numbers

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Well.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/825450486583918632/Hades_1893.png

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 5:54 AM

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Well, yeah, that

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Deadly Strike you can also easily push higher with Hunter Dash.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:55 AM

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do i go for serrated point in that case

hearty onyx Mar 28, 2021, 5:55 AM

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I've thought of trying to get Divine Flourish to see if Deadly reversal could work

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Maybe for second hammer, you'd take Serrated Point.

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Serrated is a lot of damage but it can difficult to stay safe on higher heat

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:56 AM

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But Serrated Point first hammer is slow.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Deadly Reversal is often underwhelming. But spear can do some good work with that duo

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Easy to get deflects

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:57 AM

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serrated point for first hammer is obviously bad on guan yu

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 5:57 AM

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You could try ME and DR together

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:57 AM

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merciful end on guan yu dusa

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:57 AM

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Tbh m leaning towards avoiding Serrated Point even as a second hammer unless I have extra dashes at that point.

true fable Mar 28, 2021, 5:57 AM

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ME on Gy is the meta lol

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:57 AM

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ME will do more for you then DR ever will

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Even on Guan-Yu

true fable Mar 28, 2021, 5:58 AM

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for speed at least

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Merciful End is speedrun meta, yeah.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:58 AM

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divine flourish curse of agony divine dash

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on guan yu

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dusa

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Def works on high heat. I just don't like it.

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 5:59 AM

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ME is broken lol

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One of the more limiting duos build wise but the most powerful

north dove Mar 28, 2021, 6:00 AM

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sooo I just did a warm up run on zag sword https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/825609992702001202/unknown.png and then got 52 heat chiron on the first try https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/825609806114324480/unknown.png squirtooh

true fable Mar 28, 2021, 6:00 AM

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yeeshus

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Doom Hangover 👌

true fable Mar 28, 2021, 6:00 AM

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dedge 😻

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 6:01 AM

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52 heat td2

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 6:01 AM

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Ironic that the God of War and Goddess of Wisdom's greatest collaboration is "lol just mash Dash-Strike" unga bunga Duo.

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@north dove congratulations! dusa

north dove Mar 28, 2021, 6:02 AM

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thank you 😄

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Oh geez explosive shot

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Retrash does it again. Good stuff

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Curse of Agony looks really good on Chiron for DC2.

hearty onyx Mar 28, 2021, 6:02 AM

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More emphasis on the "War" than "Wisdom"

north dove Mar 28, 2021, 6:03 AM

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yeah, curse of agony was my first boon

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still a really painful tartarus though

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 6:03 AM

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Ares+Athena is basically wonder woman

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 6:15 AM

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@north dove That is some masterful AP2 work lmao

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Rip Current Curse of Nausea is like over 9000 pogs

north dove Mar 28, 2021, 6:16 AM

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yup it's good stuff

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got both of those in styx

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 6:20 AM

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SIGH. I guess I'll redouble my efforts tomorrow to at least tie this lol. Chiron so stinky ):

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 7:08 AM

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is arthur any good in high heat

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 7:08 AM

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it is ok for ~32 heat (or so I've heard)

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but it falls off pretty hard at very high heat

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 7:09 AM

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what about nemesis

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I'm a sword player and I wanna see how high I can go

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 7:10 AM

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Sword in general is a hard path for heat climbing, but if it's the weapon of your choice, you can make it work 🙂

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 7:11 AM

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whats the easiest weapon

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for high heat

north dove Mar 28, 2021, 7:11 AM

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^ it's mostly a preference thing, all aspects have been cleared at at least 50 heat

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 7:11 AM

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ahh cool

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Up to 40 the most standard answer is Eris, up to 50 probably Hestia, but these aren't universal opinions lol.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 7:24 AM

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the best weapon is the one you know how to play best (within reasonable limits)

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 7:25 AM

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oo thats a good way of putting it

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well I'm best at sword

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 9:12 AM

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bronze viper SIGH. I guess I'll redouble my efforts tomorrow to at least tie this lol. Chir...

We're like in TD3 IRL

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Timer does not look good on my side

hearty onyx Mar 28, 2021, 9:13 AM

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TD4

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 9:30 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/825662984738177074/unknown.png

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alright

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chaos saved this run

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tossing me a free defiance

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lightning dmg is terrible with no T2 zeus boons to back it up

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no smoldering air either

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nice

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cutting it close on time

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thanks nectar

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yeah I was running out of time bc the bosses took forever

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both elysium and styx

celest grail Mar 28, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Bosses are so painful with no zeus t2s

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 10:11 AM

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yes 😫

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 10:19 AM

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doing some runs with ello's dps mod on

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beo bull rush does SO MUCH DAMAGE

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like I'll have a 10s (from enemy spawn) barge fight and look down and bull rush did 8k damage lol

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breaching 👀

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 10:36 AM

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I think Rama is the best for pushing heat

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But as others have said, your best weapon is the best weapon

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 10:45 AM

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I am now in the most cursed run of all time

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if I win the winscreen will be glorious

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depends what you mean by "pushing heat"

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 10:46 AM

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I hope you'll win the winscreen. squirtdevious

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 10:46 AM

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rama is undoubtably a strong high heat weapon though

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lets just say I figured out how to do damage with icy flare

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squirtdevious

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Do you have Winter Harvest?

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 10:49 AM

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I have ME lol

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 10:50 AM

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Ah yes.

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Classic Icy Flare build.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 10:51 AM

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indeed

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doom is doing almost twice as much damage as my cast lol

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4 sacked at least 😦

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ME icy flare might not have the dps to power through a 4 sack lmao

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ok not a 5 sack, might have a chance

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timed out in dad 😦

vital grove Mar 28, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Demeter is great for snow burst

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Icy Flare not so much 😅

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:06 AM

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I'm trying to get 50 heat with every beo cast

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ME seemed like a great opportunity for icy flare LOL

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also athena refused to give her cast

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 11:26 AM

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hello, are cast builds viable for high heat?

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 11:26 AM

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Sure.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:29 AM

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absolutely! most of my high heat clears are with cast builds

hoary pasture Mar 28, 2021, 11:30 AM

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You just offended the beowolf players

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:30 AM

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they only really start to fall off around 54+ heat which is pretty high haha

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 11:30 AM

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yeah idk If I'll make it that high chimken

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:30 AM

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it's not just beo, I also did poseidon sword as one of my top aspects

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 11:32 AM

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Poseidon Aspect is speedy.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:32 AM

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poseidon is lots of fun

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it and beo get their casts back the fastest, which gives them the best bossing of the cast weapons imo

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other cast weapons like cast achilles have to rely on other stuff for sustained dps

hoary pasture Mar 28, 2021, 11:34 AM

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I like Hera aswell bouldy

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:34 AM

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I'm terrible at bow bouldy

hoary pasture Mar 28, 2021, 11:34 AM

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lol

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:34 AM

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but yeah it also gets casts back reasonably fast

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not quite as quick as the other two, but you don't have to wait too long

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 11:34 AM

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It's just nice not having to rely on Quick Reload for boss damage.

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And +50% is still substantial.

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 11:36 AM

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yeah it is quite nice

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Poseidon sword is a lot of fun

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I like playing pinball

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:10 PM

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Yeah it's fun

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Pew pew pew bonk bonk bonk

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 12:13 PM

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I had a fun build going yesterday at 40 with 5 casts, lightning phalanx, and mirage shot

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Of course I died to dad

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 12:14 PM

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Have you tried not dying to dad?

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That's my go-to strategy.

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 12:14 PM

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thanthink

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I’ll have to try it out

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:15 PM

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bright mango I had a fun build going yesterday at 40 with 5 casts, lightning phalanx, and mir...

Dude that's too much

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Except on Nemesis. On Nemesis, my strategy is dying to dad but making dad die faster to me.

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 12:15 PM

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but have you tried dodging

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Maybe it made you go crazy and you lost the fight because you were spamming your cast

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Em4 happened

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:15 PM

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Oh em4

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 12:16 PM

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I have. It's called Smoldering Air + Second Wind. You'll get a lot of dodges. squirtdevious

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 12:18 PM

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ima try lightning phalanx beowulf

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 12:18 PM

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If I wasn’t so stubborn and didn’t take em4, 24x40 wouldn’t take this long

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 12:19 PM

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time to relax and do some low heat runs to complete the fated list

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:21 PM

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Being stubborn is ok Pengy

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 12:21 PM

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Perhaps you should get Stubborn Roots.

solemn pulsar Mar 28, 2021, 12:21 PM

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Stubborn and defiant

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:22 PM

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I did some stubborn roots gaming at 50 heat

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Not that bad on Guan Yu tbh

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Since you die in one hit you have plenty of time to get some health back squirtyay

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Or just die again

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 12:24 PM

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chaos : for the next 4 chambers you will die for sure but then u get +1 for your cast zaglol

solemn pulsar Mar 28, 2021, 12:25 PM

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gaunt fiber Not that bad on Guan Yu tbh

Tight deadline has entered the chat

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:25 PM

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It does not matter

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You don't play around stubborn roots

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You just get it naturally because you die

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And then you enjoy a nice +12 hp in the next room

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Which is not even a hit from any exalted. Ok it's garbage

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 12:42 PM

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LOL, you've watched me get hard carried by Stubborn Roots against Lernie before #rootsgaming

solemn pulsar Mar 28, 2021, 12:42 PM

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12 HP isn't enough to tank a (slugger HL5) NUMBSKULL

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 12:43 PM

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If you intentionally lose your SD in the beginning of a boss encounter though, imagine all the health you could get thanthink

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(it's not much)

solemn pulsar Mar 28, 2021, 12:43 PM

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If you intentionally lose your SD in the beginning of a boss encounter though, imagine all the ~~health~~ death you could get

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 12:43 PM

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^^^

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 12:45 PM

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solemn pulsar 12 HP isn't enough to tank a (slugger HL5) NUMBSKULL

Now but it's a witch projectile so I'll take it

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 12:45 PM

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To be fair he plays Guan Yu, so getting hit for 30 damage to chip heal 2 health from a value spin is basically his ninja way.

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Lmao

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Playing Guan Yu forced me to memorized the damage values

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So people are surprised when I end up at 1 hp but it's just that I could afford to get hit

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(except at Lernie it's just luck tbh)

primal wyvern Mar 28, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Gotta love lernie

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 3:13 PM

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lernie is a big cutie binguspet

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the furies feel crazy hard w melee weapons I keep dying to them heyred

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guess ranged just cheats these fights

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 3:37 PM

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just get long knuckle dusa

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 3:56 PM

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or get tis bc shes telegraphed as hell I guess

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 3:56 PM

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tissy gets cheesed to death by divine strike fists

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 3:58 PM

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arent those crappy damage

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 4:02 PM

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deadly reversal

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:06 PM

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I see

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:07 PM

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anybody have some tips for beating thesseus and the minotaur or whatever his name is? im stuck on it

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:08 PM

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with what pacts

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I honestly just unga bunga the bull with acorn

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and then take out the chariot

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:09 PM

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what

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chariot?

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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so youre not doing em3?

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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wdym

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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this is the high heat channel

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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this is the high heat channel

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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lmao

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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wait oops

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lamo

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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"heat" is the increased difficulty you add after winning

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:10 PM

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my bad

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:11 PM

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though for beating the heroes, I would try to focus down the bull

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use pillars to dodge the spear throws

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:11 PM

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ya i do that

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:11 PM

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then once the bull is dead attack theseus between his atacks

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:11 PM

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ok

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thesseus is who i struggle to beat but the bull is pretty easy

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:12 PM

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do you have most of the trouble before or after you get him to half health?

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:13 PM

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um its only my third day playing and like the 4 times ive gotten to him i cant get him past half health

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:13 PM

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ah ok

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his two main attacks are the spin and the spear throw

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after he does the spear throw, he always walks away from you

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so you can hit him in the back

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:14 PM

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ok

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:14 PM

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after he does the spin, he keeps walking forward, so you can circle around him and hit him

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:14 PM

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ok

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thanks

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:15 PM

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the spin also makes him go pretty far forward, so to dodge it often you want to dodge behind him

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instead of away

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:15 PM

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k

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:16 PM

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then the fight changes a bit at half health

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squirtdevious

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you'll see

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:16 PM

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uh oh

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:30 PM

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lavish mountain um its only my third day playing and like the 4 times ive gotten to him i cant g...

Thats pretty good dude

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:30 PM

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rlly?

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:30 PM

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On my third day I still couldn’t make it past meg

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:30 PM

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o

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how long ave u been playing

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:32 PM

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130+ hours rn

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:32 PM

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im at 10 hours rn

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its all ive been playing

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Whoa that’s a lot for 3 days

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:34 PM

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ya ik

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i have lots of spare time

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:35 PM

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I played for like an hour a day for like my first week or two dusa

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:36 PM

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oh

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i beat meg my first 2 hours i think

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Wow

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Good job!

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:37 PM

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thnx

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 4:38 PM

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I’m pretty sure I beat the game 20 hrs in

lavish mountain Mar 28, 2021, 4:39 PM

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if we talk anymore we should move to a diff channel

solar maple Mar 28, 2021, 4:40 PM

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for general game talk/advise like the heroes advise #h1-for-new-players or #h1-builds-and-combat are both good

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 4:41 PM

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@honest kernel I take Divine Strike on Malphon nowadays only really if it's at least rare and over Divine Dash only if it's Epic. But your main damage will come from your Special, anyway, unless you get Splitting Bolt or Merciful End to just spam Dash-Strikes.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:42 PM

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I see 🤔

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so far i have only done attack builds but i have to check off demeter fists anyway

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Divine Strike is great for proccing Exposed, and Deflects can do some mean damage.

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I still use the Dash-Upper a lot with Zag Fists.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:46 PM

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I didnt end up using it much squirtooh but I should learn it for dmg prob

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and gilga is a whole different story

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Ideally, you get your Dash-Upper in Tartarus to the point that you one-shot Witches and Wringers.

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Gilga is . . . yeah lol.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:47 PM

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that aspect just feels terrible to use

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how do you usually use dash upper in combos

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Dash+Attack through enemy > turn around + Special for backstab Dash-Upper.

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Sometimes Cast before the Dash-Strike.

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If you're planning to just kill with those three hits.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:50 PM

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thanks shadesmile

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Also for Lord Zeus on Malphon, my pick priority is normally Call > Smoldering Air > Attack or Jolted.

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 4:55 PM

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call before picking an attack?

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seems wild to me

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Zeus' Aid on Malphon will beat your Lightning Strike in DPS.

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It just builds God Gauge that fast.

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And you're always in range for Zeus' Aid to hit.

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Smoldering Air supercharges it, but it will already do ridiculous damage.

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Poms on it scale way better, too, than on Lightning Strike.

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And you can get Double Strike, High Voltage, Jolted.

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It also unlocks Billowing Strength.

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But I'll take Jolted over Billowing Strength.

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Jolted will also routinely go even with or exceed your Lightning Strike damage. The first two poms on it are really really good.

halcyon flame Mar 28, 2021, 5:10 PM

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double strike and jolted on zeus' aid is 😩 👌

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 5:14 PM

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cold fusion

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Cold fusion is pretty bad in most cases ngl

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Oh for zeus call

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I could see how that works

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Since you pretty much only get one jolted proc per call

eager vortex Mar 28, 2021, 5:33 PM

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it just works !

honest kernel Mar 28, 2021, 5:33 PM

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thanks for the tips

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Cold Fusion for Zeus' Aid is really really good, yeah.

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Also for Chaos shield

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 6:40 PM

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LETS GO I MADE IT TO SECOND PHASE EM4 WITHOUT LOSING A SD

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Wasn't that great with the starfish pattern but it's exceptionally good now that you can't hit everything every time

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Charged shot sucks at dad

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 6:41 PM

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It does, yes

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Just found that out for myself

bronze viper Mar 28, 2021, 6:41 PM

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I think it's actually "fine," but it's so different how you have to play, you just end up getting hit and dying

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 6:42 PM

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But I can finally dodge his triple attack consistently

patent isle Mar 28, 2021, 6:59 PM

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i just tried fo2 with arthur and got my butt handed to me

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SCGwarps

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 8:04 PM

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GUYS I JUST BEAT 40 HEAT EM4 DAD WITHOUT LOSING ACORN

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WHAT

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/825822995930152980/image0.png

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It may or may not have been dio beo

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But still

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Congratulations! dusa

waxen relic Mar 28, 2021, 8:07 PM

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How many Steps did Hades take? zaglol

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 8:07 PM

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waxen relic How many Steps did Hades take? <:zaglol:725043931867512903>

Shhh

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Lets not talk about phasing

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 8:07 PM

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Even though you're evil and had no Lady Aphrodite boons.

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 8:08 PM

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shadedisgruntled

true fable Mar 28, 2021, 8:10 PM

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pengy did you take plume

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to get bad news

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 8:10 PM

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No

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Natural bad news dusa

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Sold the prereq

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The quick reload thing

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But this was my most insane dio beo run

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Pengy787 just changed a few lines of lua text.

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'Tis a good strategy.

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 8:37 PM

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I sold the prereq after getting bad news

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Sure you did.

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 8:44 PM

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laughs in switch

solemn pulsar Mar 28, 2021, 8:47 PM

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If you get the physical version and lick the cartridge it unlocks the codex menu mod

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 8:49 PM

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shadeohboy

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whaaaaaaaaat

turbid perch Mar 28, 2021, 9:14 PM

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bright mango https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/825822995930152980/ima...

absolute madlad!!! omg

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Dio beo did most of the work squirtdevious

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@north dove I was watching your chiron 52, and YOU TOOK FREAKING DAD KEEPSAKE AT 50 WITH ZAG SWORD

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AND WON

north dove Mar 28, 2021, 9:27 PM

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lol I just wanted to try something different

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 9:28 PM

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dusa

solemn pulsar Mar 28, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Suffering from success

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 9:32 PM

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lol

true fable Mar 28, 2021, 9:40 PM

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was it worthwhile

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the dad keepsake pick

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 9:42 PM

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I mean he won

true fable Mar 28, 2021, 9:42 PM

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well

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that doesnt mean he feels like the keepsake was valuable

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necessarily

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 9:43 PM

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True

north dove Mar 28, 2021, 9:57 PM

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it could be but I learned never to use it when he spins since he'll just animation cancel into another spin

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ate 80 damage twice because of it

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but I did also have second wind so there was value there also

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 10:00 PM

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A win is a win

patent isle Mar 28, 2021, 10:15 PM

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bright mango https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/825822995930152980/ima...

wow congrats omg

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Imagine

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finally getting a patty

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 10:47 PM

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I haven’t gotten a patty at all today shadegrief

gaunt fiber Mar 28, 2021, 10:47 PM

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and getting a 6 BP bow in 34, bruisers

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Little square room with traps

patent isle Mar 28, 2021, 10:55 PM

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on LC4 TD Stubborn runs, are chaos rooms avoided?

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or are they taken bc free room

shy plinth Mar 28, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Free room and chaos is good

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Not hard and fast rule, but generally making yourself stronger is worth it

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And the health is kinda free on SD

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You just pop in next room and get it back

bright mango Mar 28, 2021, 10:56 PM

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I take chaos under 50 heat

patent isle Mar 28, 2021, 11:16 PM

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kk ty!

mossy zinc Mar 28, 2021, 11:26 PM

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shy plinth You just pop in next room and get it back

It's often best to not do that and instead just keep going to save time.

shy plinth Mar 28, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Okay yes ideally you can just not get hit

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But the health before losing SD can basically be considered armor

gaunt fiber Mar 29, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Chaos is gamble incarnate with AP2

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Sometimes it's like your only way to make it in time

patent isle Mar 29, 2021, 12:53 AM

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im trying to do fo2 LC4 runs to get better and make less mistakes and im struggling

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waaa

halcyon flame Mar 29, 2021, 1:14 AM

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then don't do lc4

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lc4 is always sd

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 1:16 AM

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patent isle im trying to do fo2 LC4 runs to get better and make less mistakes and im struggl...

Keep at it, it’s worth it

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Although I’d start with LC4 on its own then add FO2

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When I want to use SD to practice I run LC4

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If you want to get used to FO2 try not using LC4, I guess they’re good practicing separately before together

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Dying a lot is normal in practice though

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In Tartarus, to furies, in asphodel, to Lernie...anywhere really

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:41 AM

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hey guys got a question, so I see a lot of you use dark foresight. So I mostly see resource doors appearing together so like you'll get the option for keys and darkness for example. does dark foresight have increased chance for all of them to be switched to the boon, coin, heart pool or are those ones fixed, I also see sometimes one door will be the item pool and another will be the resource pool, I'm assuming these doors will be affected by the chance?

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if that makes sense

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https://imgur.com/bDwrvUE like are these doors fixed to be in the resource pool or is there a chance they will be item pool, affected by dark foresight

Imgur

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:54 AM

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hmmm

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ok

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so room rewards in this game are always either blue laurel or gold laurel rewards

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or shop/story

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blue laurels will give you keys, nectar, darkness, or gems

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gold will give you obols, boons, hearts or poms

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you will never be offered a gold reward vs a blue reward

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it will always be gold v gold and blue v blue

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dark foresight does not change that, it simply makes gold rewards more frequently offered

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:55 AM

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true fable you will never be offered a gold reward vs a blue reward

you can tho

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:56 AM

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nope

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do you have footage?

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or an image?

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:56 AM

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wait, can u be offered blue vs special room

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:56 AM

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yes

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:56 AM

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cos that might have been it

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:56 AM

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you can be offered blue vs story or shop

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not vs a gold

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:56 AM

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ok gotcha

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sorry my mistake

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:56 AM

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shop and story are separate from rooms that give you rewards

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:57 AM

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and dark foresight increases the chance that you'll get gold instead of blue

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right?

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 1:57 AM

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The room before a boss will always be a shop + potentially some gold laurel rewards.

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Right. You'll see more gold laurel rewards over a run.

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:58 AM

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it's always pom or heart and shop

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before boss

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:58 AM

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not always

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:58 AM

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oh what else

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:58 AM

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can be boon or hammer as well

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:58 AM

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oh wait yeh i remember now

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 1:58 AM

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as an aside for any gamers who were unaware

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it is possible to get both your hermes in tart

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:59 AM

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I just usually get heart or pom

shy plinth Mar 29, 2021, 1:59 AM

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Both??

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 1:59 AM

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ik you can get from shop

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also hermes isn't part of the gold pool is he

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 1:59 AM

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He is.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:00 AM

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shy plinth Both??

yes, you have to get a c12 or c13 chaos

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:00 AM

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he's not random tho

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like, you always see him

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:00 AM

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some tiles there can offer three rewards, in which case you can be offered hermes

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if youve already picked up a hammer

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its a fun way to get rush delivery in tartarus

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lol

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:01 AM

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anyway thanks for your explanations, it's help a lot <3

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:01 AM

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of course!

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but yeah two hermes in tart requires one in midshop and one in end chamber

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:03 AM

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how many hermes are you guaranteed to show up per run

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:03 AM

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2

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:04 AM

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one in aspodel and one in elysium I'm guessing

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Not necessarily

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:05 AM

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ok

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:07 AM

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as i mentioned above its possible you get both in tartarus

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:08 AM

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doesnt the shop one count as random?

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:08 AM

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?

lusty mirage Mar 29, 2021, 2:08 AM

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i've also seen hermes in both midshop and endshop in tart

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:08 AM

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really?

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thats new to me

lusty mirage Mar 29, 2021, 2:08 AM

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pretty sure

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:09 AM

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shop offering is a complicated mess so cant say one way or another

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but i dont think ive ever seen that

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:10 AM

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ok so there's always 2 fixed ones plus any random you find in shop or the one in styx. the one that can spawn at end of tart is a fixed one I'm assuming but the shop one would be random right?

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if that makes sense

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:10 AM

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the ones you find in shop count toward the 2 fixed ones, the only outlier is the styx shop

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:11 AM

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oh ok

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:11 AM

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you can only pick up two hermes boons throughout all of tartarus through elysium, and you may be able to get a third if hermes is in styx endshop

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:11 AM

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ohh gotcha

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:11 AM

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where you find your two hermes can vary a lot

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all the way from both in tart to both in elysium

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:11 AM

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what if you miss a hermes boon, will it appear again later?

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:11 AM

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p much yes

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:11 AM

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cool, thanks

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:12 AM

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you can get really unlucky and not see both, but thats pretty rare

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about as rare as seeing only 1 hammer, off of my anecdotal experience

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:12 AM

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sometimes if you take story/chaos/shop over hermes several times you can only get 0/1

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:12 AM

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yeah

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:12 AM

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but hermes and hammer are both at least offered usually

halcyon flame Mar 29, 2021, 2:13 AM

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is zeus shield good for boonless?

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:13 AM

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i havent done it but probably?

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it has pretty nice innate damage

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and nice safety since its a shield

halcyon flame Mar 29, 2021, 2:14 AM

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the base damage on special is already pretty good

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:15 AM

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Zeus is pretty good with shackle

bronze viper Mar 29, 2021, 2:19 AM

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You need to be on point to use Shackle with Zeus though, since all of your damage is derived from keeping the shield on your targets

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With Thunder Flourish + Jolted this is a lot less important. Not having 100% uptime doesn't mean you lose 100% of your damage.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:31 AM

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yes its quite good for boonless

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baj used to run shackle start to finish

patent isle Mar 29, 2021, 2:39 AM

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unique zephyr In Tartarus, to furies, in asphodel, to Lernie...anywhere really

ty

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inspiring pepolove

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:44 AM

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I mean it does feel good when you win though

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It lets me not run stinky stuff like convenience fee for 32

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And let me transition from 32 Hestia to 40

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:46 AM

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tried out dark foresight and I think I much prefer olympian favour

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:47 AM

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Dark foresight’s benefits are a lot less obvious but more impactful I think

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Rare isn’t enough better than common numerically to justify more darkness and nectar rooms but blue feels better than white

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You get guaranteed rare boons from mini bosses and Erebus gates anyway

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:48 AM

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Dark foresight is so much better

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:49 AM

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I disagree but sure

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:49 AM

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In mirrorless I had more trouble with underworld customs because no dark foresight

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Dark foresight basically means you see more rooms which make your build better

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Also more health

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 2:50 AM

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More poms, more money to spend, more boons, etc.

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Yeah underworld customs is brutal with RI2, CF2

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:50 AM

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And you take fewer Erebus gates because the normal rewards are blue laurels

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:51 AM

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huh, why would you take blue laurels over erebus

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:51 AM

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honest kernel huh, why would you take blue laurels over erebus

No that’s what I’m saying that you can skip Erebus gates more often if you have more gold laurels

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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If you want higher rarity boons just take God's Pride

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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If you have DF

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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honest kernel huh, why would you take blue laurels over erebus

Sometimes, people get hit

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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dark foresight is probably the best mirror option after DDs/SDs and second dash

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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^^^

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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some would probably argue for DF above both of those as well

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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I don't think you understand how ridiculously good Dark Foresight is. Dark Foresight alone made high heat a lot easier when 1.0 dropped. Like, it was immediately noticeable to anyone who played 40+ before and after the 1.0 release. (Dark Foresight was bugged before 1.0 and didn't work.)

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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Second dash I find way more important imo

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:52 AM

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heres the thing

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DF says it increases odds by 20% but its much more than that

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its essentially 40

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and basically ensures

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:53 AM

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What makes it 40

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:53 AM

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that every single region other than tartarus is either 1 or no blue laurels

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:53 AM

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Two doors?

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:53 AM

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I don’t know exactly how DF works I think

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 2:53 AM

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Because it's usually 50/50 but then it goes to 70/30?
Is that how it works?

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:53 AM

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its 40 because it increases odds of gold laurels by 20 and decreases odds of blue by 20

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yeah exactly

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:54 AM

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Ah ok

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:54 AM

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makes sense

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:54 AM

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40% more rare boons isnt going to make up for 40% more stuff in general

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thats 40% more poms, obols, and boons

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:55 AM

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I do notice more blue laurels in Tartarus the wiki says meta rooms are more likely in Tartarus but not sure if that’s correct or up to date

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And centaur hearts

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 2:55 AM

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And you can always take the one which increases epic chance

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Do I overvalue health or something

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:55 AM

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meta rooms are more likely in tart yeah bacchus

quartz mantle Mar 29, 2021, 2:55 AM

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Blues Boons are pretty easy to get naturally anyways

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Miniboss rooms, Erebus Gates

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Yarne, Refreshing Nectar

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:55 AM

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The only blue that’s really beneficial are keys anyway

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Oh boons not rooms oops

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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unique zephyr Do I overvalue health or something

I’ve started to value other stuff more than health now

quartz mantle Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Yea I should have clarified that

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Erebus gates are probably not recommended though since they eat up time

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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depends

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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More power = good

quartz mantle Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Erebus Gates can be good

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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big poms are super valuable on cast weapons

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big health always good

quartz mantle Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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They're not recommended in speedruns but not everyone speedruns

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Yeah I do take a boon I really need or a pom over health if I am using cast build or have dio or zeus call or something

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:57 AM

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i took an erebus gate c2 in my last fists PB

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theyre situationally very good for speedruns

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Before 1.0, high heat would often end runs with like 4-6 boons and 200 max HP. After 1.0 dropped, you immediately saw high heat runs routinely ending with twice the boons and 400+ max HP. Then people started not valuing Centaur Hearts as much anymore because you'll inevitably get them anyway now, so you can go for even more poms and boons instead and have a stronger build.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:57 AM

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^

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DF opop

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 2:57 AM

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ok I understand now

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:58 AM

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lmao my fists PB also has an erebus c2

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:58 AM

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cursed

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:58 AM

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the situations where you take an Erebus are rare, but they do exist

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:58 AM

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maybe its time to reset for c2 erebus athena

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 2:58 AM

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🤔

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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I like big pom early Erebus gate for cast weps

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Or big health in general if the other rewards are crap

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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I take erebus a lot at high heat

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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i always take big health on RI2 pacts

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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It's not just that you'll have more HP, more obols, more boons, more poms. Like, it's not all even. The fact that you can choose your exit means you can skew that in any way you want.

quartz mantle Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Big health on Guan Yu to get that sweet sweet 25 health

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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the early health is too good

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Get a silly amount of HP over all else if you want.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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yeah

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Get a silly amount of poms or boons.

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Never missing cash for shops.

wintry berry Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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My 51 heat Hestia attempts made me consider entering Erebus

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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whys that?

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slow?

wintry berry Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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because I fear I get hit

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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its hestia

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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just dont get hit

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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just pewpew the gungun

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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exactly

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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Exactly

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LOL

quartz mantle Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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exactly

unique zephyr Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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Some benefits package perks suck in Erebus tbf

wintry berry Mar 29, 2021, 3:00 AM

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WIth HEstia I dont get hit ofc

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but for other aspects idk

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:01 AM

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ye thats fair

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but its tartarus

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if you get hit

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you can start over

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:02 AM

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now, ELYSIUM erebus gates

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that is true gaming

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:02 AM

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Ive taken one of those

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Never going there again

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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too hard?

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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theyre unreal

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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elysium gates are literal hell in hell

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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damn

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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they can spawn minibosses

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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lol

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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try it once for the experience

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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oh yikes

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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and then never again

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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lol bet

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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well not quite minibosses

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but they might as well be

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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eh close enough

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ye

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:03 AM

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superelites everywhere

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terrible BP enemies

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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lol I don't see what's wrong with getting Soul Catcher + Megagorgon.

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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smile

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Isn't that a fun one to no-hit?

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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When I saw gorgon head I freaked out

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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wait megagorgon can spawn in it?

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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There was so much going on in the room

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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ive only ever seen soulcatcher

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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Yes.

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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true fable wait megagorgon can spawn in it?

Yeah

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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yeah ive seen megagorgon

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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crazy

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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There was also linkers

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:04 AM

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does it have same armor as aspho gorgon?

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Didnt find out

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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i think?

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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amir is a villain

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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One of the three-or-so times I entered in Elysium I got both.

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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idr

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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I don't think I've entered one since lol.

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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wait u can get it in asphodel?

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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WAT

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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cursed

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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asphodel erebus felt fine to me

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strange

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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No, I definitely wrote Elysium.

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I don't know what you mean.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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hmm

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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hmm

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Asphodel Erebus is fine.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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HMM

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:05 AM

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I take asphodel erebus a lot

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Don’t have much problems with those

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 3:06 AM

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what do you guys think of gods pride vs gods legacy

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:06 AM

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build dependent

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well

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context dependent

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Completely

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:06 AM

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I'd say if you're unsure, the default pick is God's Pride.

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:07 AM

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yee

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:07 AM

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For builds that don’t completely need a duo boom to work, I run pride

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:07 AM

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id agree w that

wintry berry Mar 29, 2021, 3:07 AM

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I always take pride, even if I want some duos

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but don't listen to me

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:08 AM

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if my build absolutely hinges on a duo i take legacy

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~~unless it's ME~~

wintry berry Mar 29, 2021, 3:08 AM

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ME dusa

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:08 AM

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🙈

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ME make brain dumb

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:08 AM

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i still go pride if im only gunning for 1 specific duo and i dont care too much abt consistency

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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flood flare beo?

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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tell me if I'm wrong but if you're getting a ton of boons from dark foresight, that would greatly increase the number of opportunites for duos and legs

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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id prob go pride if im doing IGT

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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hera?

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poseidon sword?

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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hera is a different application of legacy

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same w poseidon sword

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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my point is that duos are quite strong for cast weaps

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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for sure

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:09 AM

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even if it isnt one specific duo youre looking for

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:10 AM

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but flood beo id still go pride since the non mirage duos are all pretty accessory, and rarity on things like hermes is just way better

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again thats IGT

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good thing i dont do flood beo IGT LUL

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:10 AM

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lol

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:10 AM

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For example with dio beo that really likes mirage and bad news, I still run the pride

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Your build shouldn't require a Duo Boon, anyway, unless you're speedrunning. Like any ME build for Malphon that doesn't get ME is still really good for high heat. But for builds like that where you can get some ridiculously good Duo Boon, God's Legacy is a really strong choice.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:10 AM

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but why tho

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:11 AM

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ok yeah dio beo i do not condone pride

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:11 AM

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pengy no

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:11 AM

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pls dont

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run pride

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on dio beo

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like theres so many reasons not to

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Wait why

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:11 AM

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alright

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so first

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mirage, exclusive access, scint feast, bad news

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Just get lucky:)

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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its not even just get lucky

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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are 4 very useful duos/leggos you can get

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second

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you need to spare as many rolls as you humanly can

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you just need TOO much on this build

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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the chances of you picking up even 2 out of those 4 scale way down dramatically with GP

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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Just take the Lambent Plume for Bad News. dusa

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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from chaos cast stone to specific core boons to those duos

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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lambent plume doesnt improve the odds

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only unlocks

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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It does because it unlocks it on your first boon from him.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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your chance is still 1% for a raw bad news

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I’m just so used to getting everything that I want went running dio beo

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Lol

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:13 AM

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.

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man

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:13 AM

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just means you dont want for enough

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:14 AM

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there is simply too much you want on dio beo to run pride

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:14 AM

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I see your point

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Hey, if you pick a BAD!!!1!!11!11eleventyone!!1!! Cast for Beowulf like one that is NOT Passion Flare, you should definitely always take the Lambent Plume. It may not be what you need, but it's what you deserve. dusa

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:15 AM

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if you started with like 12 rolls then maybe id consider pride

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:15 AM

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And exclusive access just negates god pride

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Good luck negates God's Legacy.

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That's why its initials are GL.

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God's Legacy = GL = Good Luck.

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If you always have Good Luck, you always have GL, you always have God's Legacy.

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 3:16 AM

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thanthink

bright mango Mar 29, 2021, 3:17 AM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies message

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Just get lucky dusa

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Get Lucky.

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GL.

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It's the true path.

halcyon flame Mar 29, 2021, 3:36 AM

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why even bother with exclusive access though

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the build is perfectly fine without cool purple boons

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Objectively wrong.

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Everything is better with purple boons.

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Purple is a beautiful color.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:39 AM

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EA is absurdly good if you get it before hermes

halcyon flame Mar 29, 2021, 3:40 AM

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the problem with exclusive access is that you have to get it early on for it to be meaningful anyway

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:41 AM

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I mean that goes for near everything. If your last boon is Jolted, it will help your DPS in the Hades fight, but it won't have much of an effect on your run as a whole.

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Exclusive Access in Elysium can still be really good.

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Just depends on what boons you still care for.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:41 AM

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the real problem with EA is that theres rarely any builds that want both gods in core boon slots early

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only one that immediately comes to mind is dio beo

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:42 AM

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Tidal Dash + Dionysus' Aid is very strong on near everything, though.

true fable Mar 29, 2021, 3:42 AM

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true

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 3:43 AM

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But you don't start with either one in Tartarus and then look for the other in Asphodel, yeah.

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If you think for some reason you want a Call in Asphodel, you either take the Thunder Signet for Smoldering Air or Sigil of the Dad.

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 4:37 AM

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what bright said

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 4:37 AM

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"true"?

shy gulch Mar 29, 2021, 4:37 AM

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EA is fantastic if you get it early, but there are so few builds that would be fine with both poseidon and dio core boons

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but if u do get it early, thats massive stonks

halcyon flame Mar 29, 2021, 4:40 AM

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EA + side hustle in tart

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stonks moment

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 4:55 AM

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Drunken Flourish + Tidal Dash on Chiron is very good.

bronze viper Mar 29, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Splash Dash + Razor Shoals + Dio's Aid is enough to carry basically any aspect through 40 heat ignoring the actual aspect lol.

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Well, the aspect still needs to actually build God Gauge.

bronze viper Mar 29, 2021, 5:56 AM

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That's what Shoals is for

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 5:56 AM

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It certainly helps.

spice lava Mar 29, 2021, 7:42 AM

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Well, I was interested about aotw to learn something new

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Not this week shadegrief

wicked terrace Mar 29, 2021, 7:57 AM

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so stubborn defiance is good for 32 heat right?

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 8:01 AM

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its good if you take lc4

waxen relic Mar 29, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Stubborn Defiance -> LC4 -> 4 more Heat checked off

wicked terrace Mar 29, 2021, 8:12 AM

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then essentially i have to play the whole run on 30% hp, right?

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and take the hades bossfight on 30% hp

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with stubborn defiance

spice lava Mar 29, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Kinda, you can have hp back from hearts and sd

gaunt fiber Mar 29, 2021, 8:13 AM

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it's not so bad

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You'll have to work on bosses though yeah

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And Acorn will help for Dad

waxen relic Mar 29, 2021, 8:14 AM

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There's still Tooth and Acorn and extra DDs by filling empty SD with Athena

wicked terrace Mar 29, 2021, 8:14 AM

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got it

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ill try with stubborn defiance

spice lava Mar 29, 2021, 8:15 AM

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Being at 30% most of the time makes some items interesting like Meg's earring

waxen relic Mar 29, 2021, 8:15 AM

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It'll take time getting used to it and actively taking advantage of it.

wicked terrace Mar 29, 2021, 9:00 AM

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what is the best defensive boon for hades fight on high heat?

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acorn?

edgy arrow Mar 29, 2021, 9:02 AM

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yeah

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unless you’re using EM4

spice lava Mar 29, 2021, 9:07 AM

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Acorn or tooth, it's up to people's preferences

hoary pasture Mar 29, 2021, 9:10 AM

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I sometimes take Broken Spearpoint to switch things up, but mostly comfortable with Acorn tbh

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 9:18 AM

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Acorn is way better than Lucky Tooth if it's not EM4.

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Not even a competition.

wicked terrace Mar 29, 2021, 9:45 AM

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does hangover damage crit?

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 9:46 AM

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it can crit if u got pressure points

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 9:47 AM

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Whoosh. dusa https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/826029683053035570/Hades_1948.png?width=815&height=458

honest kernel Mar 29, 2021, 10:03 AM

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nice shadesmile

faint reef Mar 29, 2021, 10:04 AM

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wow i hate the purple fog that enemies do, with the extra trap damage it just decimates 2 revives in one room

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 10:04 AM

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Thanks! 💕

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That's WR with 4/6 weapons and sub 10 with 5/6.

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@faint reef purple fog?

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 10:06 AM

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I think it's the armored perk?

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The one that pulls you in

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I personally just dash out of the way

faint reef Mar 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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mossy zinc <@187920131115057153> purple fog?

It's like festive fog or something but enemies can cast it. I only just started seeing it 30 hours in

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constantly stunning me and heavy damage over time

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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You mean poison?

faint reef Mar 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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Must be that

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idk

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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In Styx?

faint reef Mar 29, 2021, 10:07 AM

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oh no

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it's on second level

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 10:08 AM

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I don't think that's a fog

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But that should be petrification

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From gorgons

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 10:08 AM

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There's no DOT in Asphodel.

faint reef Mar 29, 2021, 10:08 AM

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Hm to me it seems exactly like festive fog but casted by enemies

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there were no gorgons

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it was just there

gaunt fiber Mar 29, 2021, 10:09 AM

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It's from the ground, just affects your sight

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 10:09 AM

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The smoke?

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But that only affects visibility

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I think you're confusing several things as one singular thing

faint reef Mar 29, 2021, 10:09 AM

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Idk I don't think I selected the enemies have extra skills heat on but there's that weird fog and then the weird ground circles that damage when you walk over them, and they move to follow you in elysium

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Maybe idk I was taking so much damage and being slowed when I was in the fog

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 10:10 AM

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The ground circles are lava

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Yeah this isn't a singular thing

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Just multiple things at once

faint reef Mar 29, 2021, 10:11 AM

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Nah the circles are purple

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i'm confused

mossy zinc Mar 29, 2021, 10:11 AM

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I can tell lol.

hearty onyx Mar 29, 2021, 10:12 AM

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Wait, are these the witch projectiles

gaunt fiber Mar 29, 2021, 10:16 AM

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It's a classic

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There's fog, you don't see anything, you get pummeled by random things dusa

waxen relic Mar 29, 2021, 10:23 AM

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@vale bison you've submitted an 40 Heat Arthur run to the Spreadsheet right? Grats on making it. However in the future if you want to submit it to the "Unseeded" Part you should include your previous Death in the video. Without it is considered "Seeded" If you have questions about what that means exactly, ask away.

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@mossy zinc will you change his run to Seeded?