#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 299

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Guess I just gotta keep playing

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Sub 8 hard

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 PM

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And retrash’s victory screens don’t hurt?

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 PM

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I blocked one person there, so I can't say I respect everyone there. But other than that, sure.

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 PM

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They cut right to my core

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 PM

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They don't hurt, no.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 PM

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well astaos you have sub20 heat 50 run which makes you eligible for both discords I guess

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:41 PM

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Why would they?

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:42 PM

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eager vortex well astaos you have sub20 heat 50 run which makes you eligible for both discord...

99% of 50 heat runs are sub 20

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:42 PM

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okay nevermind

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:42 PM

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99% is high

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td2 is viable at 50

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:42 PM

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1% is ledger

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:42 PM

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probably more like 75-80%

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 1:42 PM

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eager vortex well astaos you have sub20 heat 50 run which makes you eligible for both discord...

You'll find me on this discord too. I have a 8:30 GY in any heat and a 10:23 at 40

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:42 PM

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There are quite a number of TD2 at 50+, yeah. That was meta for a time.

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:43 PM

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but yeah sub 20 50 heat isn’t more remarkable than just 50 heat

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:43 PM

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gaunt fiber You'll find me on this discord too. I have a 8:30 GY in any heat and a 10:23 at ...

You don't have an 8:30 with Guan Yu.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:43 PM

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damn missed sub10 there with 24 secs

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:43 PM

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You have an 8:30 with Merciful End.

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Those are different things.

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Lmao

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 1:43 PM

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As I always say

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ME respects Guan Yu

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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You don't always say that.

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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don't watch my speedruns pls

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you will see why I switched to heat LOL

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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What you always say is "Again?!"

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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mossy zinc You don't always say that.

Well that would be boring, I'm not a bot or something like that

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Ok so my tartarus splits(on a good run) are 1:5x, my asphodel are 3:x and elysium becomes most of the time 7:x

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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mossy zinc What you always say is "Again?!"

I love this line

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Where am I going wrong squirtyay

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:44 PM

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elysium

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squirtdevious

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Hmmm

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Didnt know

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Thanks

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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"Centaur Heart: worst possible choice overall, only take it if you’re not feeling safe."

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damn I always rush to hearts

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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1:5x with what aspect?

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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Achilles, eris

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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1:5x tart is quite good yeah

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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On a good run

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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eager vortex "Centaur Heart: worst possible choice overall, only take it if you’re not feelin...

Yes, every other choice is power

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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and 3:xx is good pace for sub 8

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:45 PM

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But my elysium is so bad

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 PM

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hard to give advise

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without seeing gameplay

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but you are probably playing some of the rooms wrong

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 PM

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If you're not confident, don't run high confidence though. It does not make a huge difference if you have trouble clearing

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Also chaos doesn’t ever show up

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Even in wells

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Most of the time, boons > poms > obols > HP.

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:47 PM

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If I’m entering elysium with 50 hp, I will take a few hearts

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:48 PM

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But obols can be more valuable than poms if you have any +% obols or if you don't have money for a boon before shop when you're looking for something.

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 1:48 PM

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If I'm entering Ely with 50hp I'm crying tears of joy

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Also, Styx shop is a waste of time like 95% of the time.

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The other 5%, you can get something like Rush Delivery or Splitting Bolt.

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:49 PM

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gaunt fiber If I'm entering Ely with 50hp I'm crying tears of joy

Lmao

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@solar maple my runs with 1:5x tart and 3:x asphodel normally end up being 8:2x or 8:3x

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 1:53 PM

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yeah it happens

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everyone has 3 min elysiums sometimes

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 1:55 PM

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It’s all the time shadegrief

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 1:59 PM

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It’s probably mechanics then. Worth having someone review a video

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Ah but you can’t record

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Shoot

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 1:59 PM

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can he stream tho

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:01 PM

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If you can stream you can usually record

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 2:01 PM

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The bird is right

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Maybe I could try recording my elysium on my phone

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 PM

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i stream at the lowest settings with a bit of lag but obs makes me lag a lot more-

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Ah fair

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Pengy is on switch though

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 PM

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yeah your mechanics are definitely not perfect haha

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 PM

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@bright mango if you could get a half decent recording I’d be happy to take a look

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 2:02 PM

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but it is very hard to give advise without vids

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:03 PM

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If it’s 40% decent I will reject

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 2:03 PM

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(also I suck don't listen to me listen to the bird ^^)

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:03 PM

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solemn pulsar <@!811054495026380860> if you could get a half decent recording I’d be happy to ...

I’ll try!

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Nah just bc you think your times aren’t good doesn’t mean you don’t have anything to add

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Only problem I see is my phone might block my vision to see the screen

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Yeah idk finding a good recording setup is rough haha

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:05 PM

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I’ll see what I can do

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Also getting to elysium will take a while

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Most of my runs die in tartarus

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I have a lot of time tomorrow so I’ll see what I can do

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Just get there with a decent build, don’t worry about time

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It’s about looking at elysium, whatever is before is irrelevant, as long as your build is similar to what you’d get there with on a normal run

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Ok

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Achilles or eris?

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:10 PM

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I mean either? Some stuff will carry over

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But there’s plenty that’s aspect specific

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Probably Eris since it’s easier

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Ok yeah

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My achilles is probably better but resetting for flurry + some hermes dash would take a while

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Whoosh. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823199181539770388/Hades_1628.png?width=752&height=423

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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okay so I recorded my run

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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15/24.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:19 PM

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it's 12 mins btw, a sad run

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sack in 3rd chamber

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will post when uploaded

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Post in #self-promotion when you do.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:20 PM

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okie

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Ping me

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When you post it

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:21 PM

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okay I will ping you both

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kinda self conscious tho that was a bad run

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dusa

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I keep failing to hit those small skulls, like bad aim

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Not me. I was just telling you to not post video links here because they go in #self-promotion. dusa

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:22 PM

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I guess I got stressed cuz it's recording

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oh okay

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:22 PM

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I might watch it, but no promises.

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Quite a few of my sub 10s are so close.

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But they're sub 10. dusa

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@eager vortex potential time saver in Elysium by the way: Greatshields always face East when they spawn.

vital grove Mar 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Huh, that's interesting

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You're wise and very knowledgeable, Nyaa. You should switch to Athena, she's more like you. 😏

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Shut up. zfiestAngry

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 2:38 PM

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does nyaanyaa have something against athena-

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

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@eager vortex have you posted it yet?

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

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nah uploading still lol my upload spd is low

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Oh ok

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 2:46 PM

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just like my hades speed

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zaglol

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60%

celest grail Mar 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

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@eager vortex you should join the speedrunning discord if youre interested in going fast

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theres a vod review channel there too

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 2:50 PM

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I lost a DD because a stray hit me post-combat in Chamber 34 and i took one second too long for Heroes squirtmeh But alls well that ends well https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/823206617079873626/20210321153800_1.jpg

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And if Patty could start showing up again i'd be grateful

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Congratulations! dusa

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Next time take RI4 like you normally do.

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Can't lose a DD if you don't have one. alfaSMART

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

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I took Ruthless (unintentionally) and noticed at like midshop in Tart?

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:52 PM

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lol

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 2:53 PM

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no healing between chambers either?

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or was that intentional

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Why does the timer say you had 4 seconds left

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 2:53 PM

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I've done quite a number of runs with RI off and only dashed once for half the run before I remembered I had two dashes.

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 2:53 PM

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solemn pulsar Why does the timer say you had 4 seconds left

Because i was fast enough in Styx

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Oh did you time out in heroes

celest grail Mar 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

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icy acorn no healing between chambers either?

thats pointless anyway because of lc4

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

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yeah at Heroes

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Ah ok I was like “where did the extra 28 seconds come from”

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 2:54 PM

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oh it's JS that's off

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i thought it's LC that was off

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 3:40 PM

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managed to reach hades in 9 mins but it proved impossible to kill him in 1 min

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sadly

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cuz he keeps going invul and it takes decades for him to become damageable again

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11/10

halcyon flame Mar 21, 2021, 3:46 PM

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i had him darkness like 7 times back-to-back in first phase

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 3:46 PM

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Darkness rng can be tough

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But you probably can kill him within a minute

halcyon flame Mar 21, 2021, 3:46 PM

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darkness is more infuriating than sack

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either he uses it once or he uses it 7 times in a row

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 3:49 PM

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You can manipulate it with dad call

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 3:49 PM

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yea darkness + invulnurability

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near impossible in 1 min

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for me

halcyon flame Mar 21, 2021, 3:50 PM

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me when no dad call

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 3:50 PM

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I swear I've seen more 4-sacks than 2-sacks while working on these sub 10s. squirtmeh

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 3:50 PM

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bright mango <@216628558469136385> have you posted it yet?

I had to upload the video again cuz youtube sucks hard, will let you know

halcyon flame Mar 21, 2021, 3:50 PM

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2 sack is like a 1 in 4 chance

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 3:50 PM

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That's what it feels like sometimes lol.

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I usually end up getting my 2-sacks on blessed TD2 runs when I have like 13 minutes on the clock

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 3:51 PM

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No.

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2-sack is 54%.

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 3:51 PM

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eager vortex I had to upload the video again cuz youtube sucks hard, will let you know

Ok that’s fine

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 3:53 PM

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halcyon flame 2 sack is like a 1 in 4 chance

ellomenop breaks it down in the speedrun server. #523766792963751936 message

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Easy coin flip

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:00 PM

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also if you get barge of death may as well restart

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lmao

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Nah

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Is there actually a worse Tartarus than two Lady Demeter boons you can't dodge and no hammer?

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Not for sub 10

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 4:06 PM

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16/24 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/823226012338749481/20210321170352_1.jpg

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Congratulations! dusa

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 4:33 PM

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At this point, I have seen Tiny Vermin, a 3-sack, and a 4-sack each more often than a 2-sack.

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:35 PM

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That's odd

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I would expect the tiny vermin to run away from you

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Problem is that it does.

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Oh

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Why does it bother showing up if it is to run shadeeyeroll

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 4:36 PM

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You barged into its home wtf

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 4:36 PM

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That's two Chiron runs that could have been sub 10.

halcyon flame Mar 21, 2021, 4:39 PM

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bronze viper You barged into its home wtf

i'll barge where i please

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:40 PM

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^

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:44 PM

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hoooly shii

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Wat

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:46 PM

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done

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posted in victory

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Hey you got it!!

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Do you have a video of it?

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:46 PM

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nope

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Oof

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:47 PM

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I'll still show you the failed one though, could use some pointers

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Ok yeah

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:47 PM

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I feel like rng was too kind this time

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got many story rooms

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I think I got all the story rooms in this run

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Congratulations! dusa

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:48 PM

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thanks

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also I killed asterius and theseus at the same time

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like they both died with the same attack

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it was nice

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:50 PM

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First : congrats

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But you're running SD on non LC4

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Streaked with Unga-bunga weapon zagluv Was quite lucky https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/823237031772553286/20210321174715_1.jpg

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:51 PM

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that's something

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:51 PM

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I feel more comfy with sd than dd now for some reason

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wait

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it wasn't lc4

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 4:51 PM

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On non lc4

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Is what he said

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:51 PM

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oh you said non lc4

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my bad

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yeah

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:51 PM

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yeah

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But I understand that

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If you're comfortable with bosses SD will allow super aggressive gameplay

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although low heat allows that anyway shadesmile

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:53 PM

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I just rushed the bosses I didn't even pay attention to my hp bar much

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cuz it's basically no heat

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except em2 and fo2

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acorn helped with that

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picked it for hades only though

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now for all weapons sub10

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no jk I am done

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 4:55 PM

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No that’s a really good goal

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:56 PM

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might not be good for my health

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I got pretty pissed

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I don't remember getting this annoyed during my first 32

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but this annoyed me

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Chasing speed is frustrating yeah

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 4:57 PM

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maybe cuz you depend on rng much more

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 4:57 PM

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yeah

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Another 3-sack.

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.........

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 5:01 PM

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welll ...

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if you are on pc

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there's a workaround that

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if you are willing to do a little

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save manipulation

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ironically each time I did that I ran out of time during hades

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one time I decide to do it fair I get sub 10

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fates strike again

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 5:02 PM

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You must be doing something wrong Nyaanyaa

daring hedge Mar 21, 2021, 5:04 PM

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game better

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get 2sack

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:04 PM

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squirtmeh

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Count in your head

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When it's the second tunnel, pick up the sack

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:05 PM

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You'd think this would actually have some DPS. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823240849948934194/Hades_1640.png?width=752&height=423

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(It doesn't.)

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 5:06 PM

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but why go all attack

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on chiron

daring hedge Mar 21, 2021, 5:06 PM

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you should watch the nearly sub-6 chiron run squirtdevious

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 5:06 PM

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shouldn't chiron focus on sp

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:07 PM

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I got +111% Dash-Strike damage in chamber 3. Well, 4 encounters later.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 5:07 PM

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that build would work well with zagreus aspect I think but not chiron

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look at me being all gamer

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:08 PM

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I mean.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 5:08 PM

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daring hedge you should watch the nearly sub-6 chiron run <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>

I think I did

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 5:08 PM

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PP and Hunter's mark though

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:08 PM

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You could do 40+ with that, probably 50+.

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 5:08 PM

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It looks like you had some dps

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:08 PM

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It's not a bad build per se.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 5:09 PM

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would be getting some sweet crits with zagreus on that

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I think

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Obviously.

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m saying the build is good on Chiron. It's just not good for speed.

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:11 PM

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daring hedge you should watch the nearly sub-6 chiron run <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>

How do you know I haven't watched it. dusa

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I saw the WR had Tempest Flourish.

daring hedge Mar 21, 2021, 5:11 PM

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because you didn't get tidal dash and sea storm shadesmile

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 5:11 PM

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I also had Tempest Flourish.

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Yeah tbh I need Tidal Dash for good speed because this thing has no AOE.

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 5:14 PM

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The WR Chiron is less Chiron but more of lovecrimson + good room rng

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 5:15 PM

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the chiron meta has been splash dash start for a while

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just lov is the first person to actually make it go fast

tidal flame Mar 21, 2021, 6:05 PM

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mossy zinc You'd think this would actually have some DPS. https://media.discordapp.net/atta...

At that point jusy pretend you are doing Zag Bow tbh

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 6:24 PM

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.... another 4-sack. https://imgur.com/a/fxAEs5l

Imgur

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 6:35 PM

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eager vortex but why go all attack

You find damage where you can on Chiron. It's a more fairly flexible weapon, mostly on the back of the insane bow hammer pool.

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 6:37 PM

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I shouldn't have taken Hunter Dash that run, anyway.

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 6:40 PM

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bronze viper You find damage where you can on Chiron. It's a more fairly flexible weapon, mos...

Lame other bows: ewww I only want attack hammers get rid of these other ones

Chad chiron bow: I will take... all of your hammers

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Lmao seriously. From a AP2 heat perspective it is so sick that you have only Sniper Shot as a miss. That's nuts.

honest kernel Mar 21, 2021, 6:49 PM

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I lowkey miss Charged Volley on Chiron

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 6:50 PM

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c-charge skewer on chiron??

honest kernel Mar 21, 2021, 6:50 PM

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oh wait

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wrong name

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But yeah

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Charged Volley was a thing on Chiron

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Before it got nuked from it's hammer pool

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 6:52 PM

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oh it was?

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oh huh

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didn't know lol

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sounds stronk

honest kernel Mar 21, 2021, 6:52 PM

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It actually was pretty strong

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but peeps didn't like it for some reason ?

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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sounds like cheese

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Does anyone have any tips for heat 40? I can't seem to get past Hades. (And yes, I've tried not dying!)

halcyon flame Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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why would you not like charged volley on chiron

honest kernel Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Not because of the powerlevel, mind you

halcyon flame Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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isn't that like 250% damage?

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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what's your pact psiclaw

honest kernel Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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250% base damage, if I recall

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:53 PM

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base dmg the key

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Woops, meant AP2*

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 6:54 PM

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probably because you can only get one charged hit in and then you'd have to use attack again, Baj? as if the case rn i can get in 3 without the effect wearing off

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Chiron is very popular amongst the newer players, and they do a lot of balancing around popularity. Chiron also got an undeserved nerf after a very necessary buff in 1.0

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:55 PM

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yeah that makes sense

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 6:55 PM

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true fable what's your pact psiclaw

Pretty much Max everything but lasting consequences, jury summons and calisthenics

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:55 PM

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its just really funny that some people are legitimately going to think chiron is second fastest

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 6:55 PM

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i actually started using hera before chiron just from the description it sounded stronger

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:55 PM

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when any other aspect probably wouldve been sub 6 with that kind of build

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 PM

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I'm trying to use Stygian Blade.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 PM

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hmm

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EM4?

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Yes.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 PM

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that may be why you keep dying to dad

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 6:56 PM

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I guess I'll swap that with jury summons Max?

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:57 PM

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you could max out lasting consequences

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are you running any routine inspection or approval?

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Yeah I'm running both.

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I might just swap it for lasting consequences. Just got to be careful about the hits on Hades.

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First three measures I mean.

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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I always have EM4 and FO2 on so that's permanent 16 heat on me.

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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icy acorn probably because you can only get one charged hit in and then you'd have to use ...

All charged hammers are surprisingly faster on the initial startup frames than their original counterparts with 0 charge. So you could still do that if you wanted to.

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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i've no idea what that means, sorry

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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true fable are you running any routine inspection or approval?

Also thanks for the advice.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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routine and approval are generally not the best ways to clear 40

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you usually dont see people taking them until up in the mid 40 range or early 50

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@icy acorn it's like how you can release charged flight much faster than normal special on beo

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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Try charged Volley on base bow. It's just strictly better. Takes less time to start up, otherwise it's the same attack. But you can also charge it up. I don't remember if the recovery frames are changed significantly though.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:01 PM

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i dont think so

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 7:03 PM

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I got to admit guys if you guys could beat it on heat 40 plus you guys are some serious pros. Of course I'm only saying that because I'm not so great at the game.

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I think I've only Beat It On 32 heat once. And that was from a guide that somebody made on Stean while back.

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 7:04 PM

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A lot of it is just playing a lot, consistently, and analyzing your own play to do better next time. Everyone gets better over time 🙂

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:04 PM

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takes some time to get used to

bronze viper Mar 21, 2021, 7:05 PM

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That last bit is helped out a lot by being able to rely on the experience of people who've played before so you don't have to trial and error so many things.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:06 PM

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hence why i recommend no RI or AP

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and would err on the side of not taking EM4, though it might make you better in the long run

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 7:08 PM

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I think my problem is not having an actual consisted build to go for. I just tend to grab Boons as I go and stick with whatever combination I get used to.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:08 PM

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sure, which aspect of stygius are you using

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Is it a good sign for a speedrun if halfway through Asphodel you wonder if you turned on JS.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

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o no nyaanyaa

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

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And when you're out of Elysium, you're still not convinced you haven't.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

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still chiron?

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

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true fable o no nyaanyaa

Arthur Aspect

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

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I'd have had sub 10 three times if not for sack RNG.

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Still Chiron, yes.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:10 PM

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arthurs no cakewalk at 40 but your best bet is just aphro attack or artemis attack

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aphro attack interacts really well with sturdy and holy ground

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Take RI or AP over FO at 40 if you're doing Excalibur.

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 7:10 PM

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artemis attack you really want hunters mark

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yeah arthurs one of those weird cases where RI or AP become somewhat ok because you dont actually want that many boons

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 7:11 PM

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And starting with 100 HP instead of 150 is no big deal.

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Meanwhile, FO2 is hard especially for Excalibur.

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Not like it matters because the run was too slow anyway, but I got another 4-sack.

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That's 3x 4-sack and 2x 3-sack and not one 2-sack.

eager vortex Mar 21, 2021, 7:36 PM

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yea it was a mistake to try to get a sub10 on basically anything else except eris

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I thought rest would be a little harder but not too hard

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how wrong I was

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ironically closest I got was with gy

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 7:55 PM

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full panther Pretty much Max everything but lasting consequences, jury summons and calistheni...

im confused isn't max everything but LC, JS, and CP like 53 heat?

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 7:55 PM

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true fable arthurs no cakewalk at 40 but your best bet is just aphro attack or artemis atta...

if you do it out of spite it becomes 10x easier trust me

full panther Mar 21, 2021, 7:58 PM

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I'm going to have to look later I'm not on Hades at the moment.

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Still trying to go for an Arthur run though. I mean not that it has to be.

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But you know, the more I think about it the more I'll probably just stay in the thirties for a bit before I progress more. I've only done 32 heat once.

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Stygius is generally considered the hardest weapon for 40 Heat.

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Poseidon Aspect worked best for me.

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 8:04 PM

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or arthur and spite

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 8:05 PM

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You have the aerial advantage as a cgull.

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We don't have that.

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Cats don't fly.

gaunt fiber Mar 21, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Indeed, they whine about the 3 or more sacks they always get squirtdevious

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 8:51 PM

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New Coronacht PB. Chiron best bow. dusa https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823297847322476572/Hades_1655.png?width=752&height=423

icy acorn Mar 21, 2021, 9:30 PM

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oh heck yeah heroics

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 9:58 PM

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mossy zinc That's 3x 4-sack and 2x 3-sack and not one 2-sack.

sacks really are like that sometimes -- when I was going for sub 9 fists I got 9 missed 2 sacks in a row while on sub 9 pace going into styx. The streak didn't end with a 2 sack, but me getting it on a 3 sack

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sack rng sucks

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 10:00 PM

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If TD capped at 3 sack I’d be interested to see the speedrunning meta

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I assume IGT would be high rolling for the survival room and a 2 sack

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RTA categories might not want to risk it lol

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 10:01 PM

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solemn pulsar If TD capped at 3 sack I’d be interested to see the speedrunning meta

Sign me up

shy gulch Mar 21, 2021, 10:02 PM

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I would 100% put on TD no matter what if that was the case

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1 survival room is not worth it

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Exactly

shy gulch Mar 21, 2021, 10:02 PM

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just look at lili’s run :^)

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 10:03 PM

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objectively speaking, going for pbs/top times it would probably not be worth it

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becuase getting a 3 sack pb/top time is already pretty hard

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doable though

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so maybe

shy gulch Mar 21, 2021, 10:05 PM

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personally speaking ive gotten PBs and good times on 3 sacks multiple occasions, I’d take it

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I think it’d be worth

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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yeah I guess survival really isn't much

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like 10-20s

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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What if it locked at three sack no two sacks

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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lol

shy gulch Mar 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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10-15 more like, tart rooms are usually never 20s unless witches

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lol then no

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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then never for any heat

shy gulch Mar 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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yep

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even for RTA

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I doubt anyone would take it at the higher levels

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Uh but then you’d get survival in RTA

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Rip

solar maple Mar 21, 2021, 10:07 PM

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lol

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rta survival is so sad

true fable Mar 21, 2021, 10:08 PM

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hell nah people would just reset for 2 sacks

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lol

shy gulch Mar 21, 2021, 10:08 PM

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oh yeah survival LOL

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oop

solemn pulsar Mar 21, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Normal people would just run it

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High rollers would reset for 2

unique zephyr Mar 21, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Trying mirrorless 32 hestia and still have trouble with timer

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one dash really throws me off

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may try TD2 instead of TD3 for mirrorless

unique zephyr Mar 21, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Any tips for not timing out on mirrorless?

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Play faster bouldy

unique zephyr Mar 21, 2021, 11:41 PM

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my problem is finding openings to dodge and attack with one dash, one dash lowers my DPS by a LOT

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Get Hermes

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Stonks

waxen relic Mar 21, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Hestia only needs tiny openings, has a lot of range and yes just save some rolls for Hermes

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 11:42 PM

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^^^

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Hestia should be the easiest mirrorless tbh

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 11:45 PM

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If you stand still when you press Reload, you can't move during the Reload animation except with a Dash.

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If you're already running when you press Reload, you can keep moving.

unique zephyr Mar 21, 2021, 11:46 PM

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Oooh ok good to know

mossy zinc Mar 21, 2021, 11:47 PM

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You're still incredibly mobile with Hestia even with only one Dash.

unique zephyr Mar 21, 2021, 11:50 PM

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I was standing still while reloading most of the time

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Because I reload right after shooting

bright mango Mar 21, 2021, 11:54 PM

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You want to say dash reload

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Trust me

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 12:00 AM

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Say? What do you mean

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 12:11 AM

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You can dash to cancel the reload animation

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To get mobility back immediately

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You can practice the timing with skelly

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It’s a split second after the reload button, you dash but it still reloads and makes the sounds

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Do note the timing is different if you actually hit an enemy

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You get frozen for a 'lil while

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Never noticed that LOL

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 12:16 AM

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That's why you're perdable

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(Thanks Baj)

edgy arrow Mar 22, 2021, 12:46 AM

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you can dash cancel the reload to get movement back, but you also don’t need to if you start moving before reloading

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so there’s that as well

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oh lol Nyaanyaa just said that

true fable Mar 22, 2021, 12:53 AM

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you can do that to get i frames on luci i believe

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i usually hold down attack until i need to dodge something, then click reload and dash

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easier than trying to "stop" attacking

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 1:12 AM

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Is Eris playstyle different for high-heat runs than before 32 heats? Seems like RNG lately is merciless and I can't get either spliting bolt/ rocket cluster combo/ any meaningful boons (sometimes Zeus is not spawning after first pick for the whole run)

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/823363934957994094/20210322005717_1.jpg

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:15 AM

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32 and any heat are the same build.

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 1:16 AM

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So Poseidon dash is still preferable? I'm struggling to use it well

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:16 AM

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Playstyle isn't really different, either.

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Well.

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It's fine to take Divine Dash if that's easier for you.

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Tidal Dash is a speedrun build.

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 1:17 AM

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It's definitely easier for me with Divine Dash, I agree 😄

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:17 AM

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You don't have to speedrun 32.

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But you can.

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 1:17 AM

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I'm trying to get comfortable with those runs

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So far 2 sword and 1 fist successful runs

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:18 AM

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High heat and speedrun have different goals. Speedrun you want the best time possible, but for high heat, you generally just want to clear.

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But high heat speedruns are also a thing, and at 32, you still do the exact same builds that you'd do at any heat.

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 1:19 AM

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I'm challenger, so I want to clear things with EM4

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At EM3 Hades seems to slow and battle goes too easy for me 🙂

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:23 AM

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Yeah, so if Divine Dash is definitely easier for you, then you already know the answer.

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 1:24 AM

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And the rest is practice, practice and practice

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And clever choices if RNG is mean

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:24 AM

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Go with what works best for you when you want to put your best foot forward.

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And experiment with other things when you want to learn new things or optimize a build.

edgy arrow Mar 22, 2021, 2:12 AM

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half heart I'm challenger, so I want to clear things with EM4

that’s very fair, but be aware that EM4 isn’t an easy fight with other pacts enabled, and eris in particular can really struggle with it

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if you’re doing an EM4 pact at 32, i’d probably look at running FO0

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 2:13 AM

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Even em4 by itself is hard

edgy arrow Mar 22, 2021, 2:14 AM

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no aspect “should” run EM4 at 32; there are objectively easier pact setups

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but if you want to do it for the challenge then go for it

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 2:19 AM

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Hmm... then what use in place for FO?

edgy arrow Mar 22, 2021, 2:23 AM

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this is prolly a decent place to start, pact wise:

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/823380926209589299/image0.png

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definitely room to move there ofc

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that’s no HL no FO to make the EM4 as smooth as possible, but there’s the option to drop LC4 so you can switch to DDs to make it even easier if you take some JS or compromise a point or two of HL

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Sure, but now I'm going to sleep - I need to work tomorrow 🙂

edgy arrow Mar 22, 2021, 2:28 AM

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sleep smart

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i should do that more often

ashen tendon Mar 22, 2021, 3:36 AM

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sorry if this sounds annoying, but i need some help setting up my heat gauge to beat heat 32
i actually can't use EM4 nor TD because my computer just constantly lags while playing, so are there any good replacements?

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Is TD1 doable?

ashen tendon Mar 22, 2021, 3:38 AM

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not really

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i'd need to try really hard to do it, but it'd be too inconsistent to actually be worth it

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:40 AM

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Any particular aspect you want to use?

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Or will any aspect do?

ashen tendon Mar 22, 2021, 3:43 AM

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i have a preference for the shield, but not any specific aspect of it

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:44 AM

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I see.

ashen tendon Mar 22, 2021, 3:44 AM

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i just find it really useful having the shield up while experiencing fps drops

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:45 AM

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HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC RI2 AP1. I'd favor Excalibur for that, but Chaos Aspect or Zeus Aspect should also do well.

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Yeah, shield for fps drops might be good. You'd have more experience with that.

ashen tendon Mar 22, 2021, 3:46 AM

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thank you for the help and sorry for bothering

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:47 AM

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You're not bothering at all. That's what the channel is for. squirtnya

dense gale Mar 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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Without a timer, would JS2/RI1 be better? Or turn off AP?

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 4:40 AM

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RI1 should virtually never be on until you hit 50

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;_; I made a Zoos practice save with a medium build with like a billion health and 5 dashes + Divine Dash but no damage for EM4 and I have won 0/10ish attempts. Dad so amgery

true fable Mar 22, 2021, 5:50 AM

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LOL

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zeus special?

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 6:36 AM

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dense gale Without a timer, would JS2/RI1 be better? Or turn off AP?

JS2 sounds like a terrible idea if he's dropping frames already with JS0.

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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to give an idea of how bad RI is

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by best 56 heat attempt so far has been with RI0, and literally every other heat maxed

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if I didn't choke vs dad I would have won

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RI is very bad

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 7:45 AM

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It's not that bad at 32.

half heart Mar 22, 2021, 7:52 AM

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Hmm... later at night maybe I'll check benefits package over forced overtime. Previously when I had both enabled it was quite scary to deal with 👀

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 7:57 AM

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yes it is

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RI is worse than pretty much every other heat at 32 lol

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you can still do it, because you are good enough to do things much harder than 32 (like 32 with a bunch of RI)

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it is a bit less bad in some cases, but I'm still not even convinced it is worth it in those

hearty onyx Mar 22, 2021, 8:01 AM

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RI1 is...acceptable if you don't need a lot to make a good build

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Also with EM4 at 32 heat it is seriously worth considering to drop LC and use DDs

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that fight can be tough, and if you can keep even 2 DDs into it it gets much more manageable

hearty onyx Mar 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I don't think I would ever take EM4 on 32

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It's too much of a gamble

edgy arrow Mar 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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yeah the whole point is that they're challenging themselves to do EM4 at 32

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which is fair

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otherwise yeah i'd agree

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EM4 is generally 45-50+ territory

hearty onyx Mar 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Oh I didn't scroll back far enough

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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yeah I was saying given you want to take em4, you want to make it as manageable as possible

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doubling your health in the fight is a good way to do that

edgy arrow Mar 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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yeah i think you're right about DDs pseudo

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 8:16 AM

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btw made my first """"mod""""

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https://imgur.com/a/TEFCppk

Imgur

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what could have been

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:36 AM

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true fable zeus special?

Yeah. It's a good practice save. Forces me to play a lot because of meh damage but has lots of hits it can take. I'll keep working on it tomorrow.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:48 AM

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Is the 1% damage you take from Hazard bomb affected by DR?

waxen relic Mar 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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By Sturdy at the very least it is. Just took a look at Retrash and he caught a bomb at the very beginning for 9 dmg with stun and at 25:46 he got hit for 7 without stun.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Oh interesting

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Sturdy is key with hazard bomb

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The stun is so annoying

waxen relic Mar 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Or i-frame it like he did the rest of the fight shadeembarassed

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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You could do that yeah lol

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But in certain encounters it's just too much to dodge

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if you get seekers and stuff

waxen relic Mar 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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One should think Em4 is too much, but Retrash.. shadesmile

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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It's too much for humans yeah

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Tail being a fox and Retrash an alien

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 12:18 PM

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me (unknowing): "new file sounds like a nice and chill challenge"

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I forgot how garbage playing zag sword without 2 dashes is

celest grail Mar 22, 2021, 12:28 PM

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watching vorime play fresh file is so satisfying though

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his sword play is so smooth

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 1:40 PM

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is it true that the game is faster with a fresh save

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like less lag

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 1:41 PM

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idk

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:43 PM

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Supposedly when switching rooms for at least some people. Can't say I've noticed a difference, personally.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 1:49 PM

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my hades doesnt run as smooth as I've seen it on other streams anyway

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 1:53 PM

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I also haven't noticed any difference

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 1:54 PM

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it only really starts to be noticable with LOTS of runs

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and it depends on how fast your computer is for how big of an effect it is

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the difference is very very small for me on my main fileat over 1000 runs vs alt files

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 1:55 PM

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it's also only for loading screens

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 1:55 PM

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and yeah it's for loads

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 1:55 PM

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the "lots of runs" only comes into play when the game is reading/writing from the save file

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it never is an issue while the timer is running

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so for high heat runs it would purely be a quality of life change

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 1:56 PM

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yeah look at some old tailesque vids

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Slow RAM maybe?

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 1:56 PM

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weaker computer + thousands of runs meant long loads

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 1:58 PM

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my hades is on ssd maybe that makes a difference

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Wow, Guan Yu is by far the slowest aspect yet m trying to get to sub 10.

halcyon flame Mar 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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have you tried getting charged skewer

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Charged Skewer helps less with speed than you might think.

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Lol 3:33 Tartarus.

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 2:48 PM

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GY is hard

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at least aphro start is pretty good on GY

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Goddamn 3-sack. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823574032833576970/Hades_1670.png?width=827&height=465

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Died to Theseus and Asterius on mirrorless 32 again

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mirrorless 32 is hard

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 3:23 PM

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achilles aspect is basically useless without quick reload huh

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or am I doing something wrong

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 3:25 PM

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quick reload is super necessary for cast builds

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 3:25 PM

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You’re not using flurry jab

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 3:25 PM

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flurry jab is super necessary for attack builds

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that is all

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 3:25 PM

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That’s what you’re doing wrong

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Not using flurry jab squirtdevious

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:26 PM

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Well, Quick Reload only really matters for bosses if your Cast does good damage.

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 3:27 PM

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well it all depends on rng lol I didn't get flurry jab OR quick reload

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:28 PM

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Hmmm. Owl Pendant or Blood-Filled Vial? https://imgur.com/a/Qboce6Y

Imgur

neat sonnet Mar 22, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Hmm

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Well you have pash dash already

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Vial?

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Not looking for Curse of Longing.

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I guess Owl Pendant > Blood-Filled Vial makes more sense. She has better t2, and her Cast is better.

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 3:33 PM

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lol got quick reload purple rarity for 900 gold just before hades

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this is what I call good luck

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Good luck! dusa

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 3:33 PM

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I'll destroy him yes

true fable Mar 22, 2021, 3:38 PM

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selling pash dash and equipping owl pendant is likely fastest but im not sure youll be receptive to that idea

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Sorry, did you say something?

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Having trouble with both sword 32 and mirrorless Hestia 32 still

true fable Mar 22, 2021, 3:39 PM

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righty o then

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 3:47 PM

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2 heat per level of routine inspection is a bit low compared to how much it hurts you at least from what I’m experiencing in mirrorless

waxen relic Mar 22, 2021, 3:49 PM

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That's why it's a challenge and not how you do 32 Heat normally

dire steppe Mar 22, 2021, 3:59 PM

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hi everyone <3

icy acorn Mar 22, 2021, 3:59 PM

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helo

true fable Mar 22, 2021, 4:01 PM

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hi rigged

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 4:12 PM

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I think I've seen one 2-sack in like 15 runs now.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Lol I forgot how good chiron is

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Furies with CP on took 5 seconds

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Whoosh. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823596685216186449/Hades_1683.png?width=827&height=465

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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@honest kernel Heartbreak Strike or Heartbreak Flourish start on Zeus Aspect for speed?

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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either works fine

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I just take the higher rarity

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But if you don't attack too much

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Special will do

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Hmm alright, I'll try that. Arigato. dusa

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I don't know if I'll attack much, I'll figure things out as I go. I've done 8 runs and 3 clears with the aspect lol.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:06 PM

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The special will do more to start with

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:06 PM

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8 runs and 4 clears with Zag Sword.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:06 PM

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But with hammers, Charged Shot and Pulverizing Blow, the attack will start to match the special

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:06 PM

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I like the idea of Heartbreak Strike leaving Thunder Flourish and Deadly Flourish open.

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Heartbreak Strike + Thunder Flourish + Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air should carry sub 10 pretty easily, I would think.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:08 PM

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https://gyazo.com/98b45852edacdded267b0c588848f11c?token=414f2ddd925dc843a2c2e38b8edea422

Gyazo

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You don't even need duos

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You build the call so fast

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:08 PM

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You might not. dusa

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 5:08 PM

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i still can't believe how awful your boons were for that record

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Me neither

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:09 PM

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But yeah, it should build Call about as fast as Demeter Aspect at least.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Either way

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I think one of my low 7s was an aphro start

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so there's that

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Ruthless Reflex?

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Yeah

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 5:09 PM

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he and RR broke up though

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:09 PM

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But you don't need to

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Is that more reliable for speed than Greater Reflex?

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:10 PM

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It's more reliant on getting an early hermes dashes

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So less consistent

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Greater Reflex will do just fine

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Alright, double dash it is then.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:11 PM

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to re-iterate. Aphro attack or special will both do fine

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I just pick whatever highest rarity shows up

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:11 PM

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Yup yup.

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Ty ty.

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lmao

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https://imgur.com/a/Sqc6vkA

Imgur

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:12 PM

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lmao

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At this point, depends on how comfortable you are using the special

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Aphro special at epic matches Zeus special

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And does way better on the attack

jaunty falcon Mar 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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1.18s first chamber smh

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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So, taking Heartbreak Strike will leave me with more good options on Special.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Yeah

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Zeus, Dio, Artemis are all decent

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:14 PM

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I'll try that then.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 5:14 PM

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https://imgur.com/MV1sfZy

Imgur

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Pog

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Pew pew pew tatatat wooosh

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 5:14 PM

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he's done it, cerberus

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Charged Shot > Breaching Rush, I assume?

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 5:18 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823602385552801866/image0.png

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Aotw stuff

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Also grats astaos!

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Congratulations! dusa

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:18 PM

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mossy zinc Charged Shot > Breaching Rush, I assume?

Always

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Breaching Rush in anyheat sucks

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Especially on non-beo

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At a max bullrush charge, you deal ... 40 base damage. That means Breaching Rush will make you do 200 damage at worst. Except that charging a bullrush for anything other then Distance is slow

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Astaos wtf

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Am happy so celebrating with the best sticker available

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 5:22 PM

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Fair enough

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have a nice day

quartz mantle Mar 22, 2021, 5:23 PM

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gaunt fiber https://imgur.com/MV1sfZy

congrats gamer

solar maple Mar 22, 2021, 5:30 PM

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yeah breaching rush is only good on beo because beo gets max damage rush (50) on min charge

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so breaching is just a flat +200 damage vs every armored enemy

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and even that is mostly just a high heat thing

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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@honest kernel first try. Thanks again! dusa https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823612365454049334/Hades_1690.png?width=827&height=465

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 6:13 PM

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@eager vortex It looks like you’re focusing too much on individual targets

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Try and look at the big picture

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 6:14 PM

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you've seen it then

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yeah I take too much time clearing rooms

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Just keep getting a better feel of the weapon

eager vortex Mar 22, 2021, 6:16 PM

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I've been trying to get a sub10 with nemesis for some time

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doesn't work

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I always reach furies around 3 minutes and that's not enough

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maybe I should make enemies gather in some area so I can hit them all together

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 6:25 PM

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You really want double edge

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 6:29 PM

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or do ME build

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sub 10 crit build with no dedge shouldn't be too out of reach, though

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but yeah 50% damage is no fun

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Yeah but then you really want Heart Rend

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asap

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

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ah well you want that with dedge too

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crit nem just wants

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so much

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

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sure

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Yeah

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it looks like Guan Yu tbh

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

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also 6 chaos

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and every free room

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 6:33 PM

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Or, you know, Lightning Phalanx and Smoldering Air. squirtdevious https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822080801092796436/Hades_1526.png?width=827&height=465

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Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is so good with Lightning Phalanx.

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Cast ~~> Dash-Strike x2~~ is so good with Lightning Phalanx.

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Lightning Phalanx is so good with Cast.

icy acorn Mar 22, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Lightning Phalanx is so good with Lightning Phalanx

daring hedge Mar 22, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Lightning Phalanx is so good

icy acorn Mar 22, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Lightning Phalanx

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 6:44 PM

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Nyaanyaa is so good with Lightning Phalanx. squirtdevious

shy gulch Mar 22, 2021, 6:44 PM

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thanthink

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Any tips on using Excalibur? Or is Poseidon Sword better for sword 32?

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Ruthless Reflex, stack damage reduction and dodge.

mint basin Mar 22, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Pog nemesis

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Avoid FO.

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:37 PM

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mossy zinc Ruthless Reflex, stack damage reduction and dodge.

Is this advice for Arthur?

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or not directed at me

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Yes.

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:38 PM

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does excalibur mind convenience fee

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 8:38 PM

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For Excalibur.

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Not really.

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:38 PM

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I've been stuck on both sword 32 and hestia mirrorless 32

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not sure what else to focus on, only thing I can think of is maybe beo 40

mint basin Mar 22, 2021, 8:38 PM

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You got this happythoThumbUp

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 8:40 PM

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You could just push your favorite aspects as high and as fast as you can.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Yeah what is your fav aspect @unique zephyr

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:55 PM

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bright mango Yeah what is your fav aspect <@!266732686838595606>

Hestia

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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ok

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Try 45 heat

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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I have 40 on it and barely won

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Just keep trying

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Do I need to start taking AP

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Yes lol

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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AP2 or just AP1

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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i mean if you can't think of anything you want to do

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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I can deal with AP1 better

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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you don't need to do anything

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just do whatever you want

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 8:56 PM

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I don't think you have to do ap2

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But I would reccomend AP1

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 8:57 PM

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45 sounds good to try for Hestia but I’m not sure what pacts to take

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If I add AP1 to my 40 pact that’s 42

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 8:58 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/823602385552801866/image0.png

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Swap DC2 for either max JS or JS2 and CP2. You could also take AP2 and remove 1 heat from somewhere

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Only 45 I've done

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:04 PM

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That's a clean clear mr Pengy

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Just take anything but DC for Hestia.

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Thought this was smoldering Chiron, got momentarily hype.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Ledger I'm thinking about Chiron for my 50 on bow

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Do you think it's a good idea

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Of course.

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Chiron is the second fastest aspect.

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You should try to get a good placement on the 50 Heat speedrun leaderboard, too.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:09 PM

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I'm not too sure about that

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:09 PM

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gaunt fiber That's a clean clear mr Pengy

thank you thank you

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Clearing would be cool enough

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:10 PM

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@bronze viper Dio call is becoming my favorite call

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I love it so much

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 9:13 PM

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bright mango Swap DC2 for either max JS or JS2 and CP2. You could also take AP2 and remove 1 ...

I’d need to get faster because i timed out in elysium and vs dad on my 40 with JS1

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I’m not sure how I can get fast enough to handle timer with JS or CP

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:14 PM

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You could take AP2

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To avoid JS and CP

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:14 PM

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I'd take CP over JS.

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For speed.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I take JS over CP

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personally

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But whatever works for you

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 9:16 PM

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I need to be more efficient anyway but not sure how, how important is knowing how to cancel reload into special

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:20 PM

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If we're talking about Hestia

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CP should be better than JS

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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bright mango <@!143840804899782656> Dio call is becoming my favorite call

One of us. One of us.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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So good

true fable Mar 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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im beginning to think poseidon or dio are the only ways to go

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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It breaks my heart when new players see "15" and think "this does no damage"

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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true fable im beginning to think poseidon or dio are the only ways to go

agreed

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Athena's Aid is kinda stinky now that you can't get like 30 seconds invuln time lmao

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Zeus' Aid is better.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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I'll still take athenas aid

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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mossy zinc Zeus' Aid is better.

no

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Yes.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:22 PM

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shadedisgruntled

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nein

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Depends on context. I like Zeus' Aid, but Dio's is safer and easier to apply (especially to groups).

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Also common Zeus' Aid unpommed is kinda stinky

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Obv if you're going for zoomies you want the damage now which is why Zeus' is just better there.

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Pretty sure they have very similar range around Zagreus, and you can get a lot more range with High Voltage.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:26 PM

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My favorite way to use dio call is when I’m surrounded by a large group of enemies in elysium. I drop the call and run

north dove Mar 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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worst common call? probably artemis or ares

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I despise Demeter's Aid

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I like it

north dove Mar 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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really? I like it a lot

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Chill and large aoe is nice

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:27 PM

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You also just get way better t2 potential, easier access to Smoldering Air, and there's Splitting Bolt to top it off.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:28 PM

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But at high heat are you going to get those things?

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Lemme get my splitting bolt real quick

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:28 PM

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I think Demeter's Aid is nice for the Chill.

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Ares' Aid is just garbage.

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:28 PM

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I think splitting bolt is a weak argument in general, if I'm measuring by the amount of times I start a run with RI0 AP0 and Zeus keepsake and end with Splitting Bolt.

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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bright mango But at high heat are you going to get those things?

Any one of them is excellent.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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I feel like Dio's aoe is better though

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Not by much if so.

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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It is. It's also more flexible to use since you can just peace once the ticks are applied.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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For the damage I'd say Zeus is better for rooms

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Nah, it's pretty significant. High Voltage makes it about equal

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In Zeus' favor

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:30 PM

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I mean, you could also just run after Zeus' Aid's lightning bolts hit—or not have to run because everything is dead immediately instead of 4 seconds later.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:30 PM

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If you look at the big picture Zeus is better to get in your pool though

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In general

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Oh I forgot to share a cool dio clear

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https://imgur.com/VMJseou

Imgur

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 9:32 PM

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That's my point, yes, and the Call itself does immediate damage. It's great for finishing off enemies and for initial damage. Dionysus' Aid is not as good for finishing off waves.

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I still think it's really really good. I prefer Zeus' Aid, though.

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:32 PM

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bright mango https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/823602385552801866/ima...

Why does it say I have 16000 darkness? I only had 3000

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Is that your mirror's darkness?

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Idk

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Interesting

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:33 PM

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yeah

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 9:34 PM

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So that’s why my 50 only had 1250

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I was going to buy chaos victory screen after that so I got scared looking at the victory screen

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 9:34 PM

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If you take off Persuasion the mirror is pretty cheap

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 9:41 PM

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The darkness thing shows how much darkness is currently in your mirror you have equipped

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Yeah, I don't know how to use sword in general, I need arthur tips
an arthur workshop maybe if anyone here is an arthur expert

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I whiff a lot and not sure how to fix that

shy plinth Mar 22, 2021, 10:02 PM

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@green citrus you've been summoned

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:03 PM

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I am here, Arthur gods.

shy plinth Mar 22, 2021, 10:03 PM

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@unique zephyr Peachhead is the arthur king

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 10:04 PM

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oh yeah im also learning arthur rn, I will listen

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Sword is the only weapon I have not yet cleared 32 heat with

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:04 PM

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Arthur very different from the other swords, obviously lol. Your bread and butter is getting the attack-dash-attack-dash-attack combo down. The combo will carry with your dashes. You want the sweeps to hit multiple enemies at once to clear rooms faster.

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Thick Skin and max level Arthur sword will carry you through 32 heat for sure. The special aura can really save you in Asphodel as it cancels lava damage since it is considered a trap.

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You can start Arti or Aphro keepsake for their attack, weak really helps at high heat and it has the highest base damage scaling. Over 100% base attack for Arthur is hitting really hard.

Same with the multiplicative crits from Arti, you see almost 2k crits in tart with just the regular base damage backstab.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:07 PM

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(Peach is a god at Arthur)

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:09 PM

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I normally want Arti, Aphro, and Zeus in the god pool to get chances for Heart Rend and Smoldering Air. You want Arti attk, aphro passion dash, zeus call.

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Omfg, I finally killed superdad on my practice save. Fudge.

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Double Edge, Shadow Slash, and Breaching slash are your go-to hammers in that order

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Peach has arrived

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To spread goodwill

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:10 PM

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It's funny because my entire goal today was to grind Arthur any heat looooll

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:12 PM

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bronze viper Omfg, I finally killed superdad on my *practice save*. Fudge.

aspect?

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Zoos

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:12 PM

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that's a pog, take it

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 10:12 PM

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I have a save with 5 dashes, Divine Dash, 2 DDs, and no Zeus tier 2s lol

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:12 PM

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so really low damage but time to learn

shy plinth Mar 22, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Double edge is nutso

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Also it's worth learning the Arthur input buffering

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It's kinda funky how it works that you can dash in between attacks and keep up the combo

bright mango Mar 22, 2021, 10:13 PM

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My favorite arthur hammer is shadow slash

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Yeah double edge unsurprisingly the most powerful hammer on all the swords lol.

Yeah once you learn about the dash "dragging" it makes Arthur way less clunky

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Peach I did Arthur 40 the other day it was hella fun

bronze viper Mar 22, 2021, 10:14 PM

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I think the difference this time was that I was a lot more aggressive about using shield bash and dashes to clear out urns from sections of the map

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Also I took my first acorn charge into phase 2 lmao, which is a small win in itself against butterfly ball x2

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:14 PM

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solemn pulsar Peach I did Arthur 40 the other day it was hella fun

Arthur 40 is definitely fun, I'm just too fast on the run I have so it's tough to beat lmao. EM3 slows me down everytime

jaunty falcon Mar 22, 2021, 10:15 PM

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For me, Arthur feels unsatisfying to use, but you can't knock its potential to breeze through heat levels

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 10:15 PM

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green citrus Arthur 40 is definitely fun, I'm just too fast on the run I have so it's tough t...

Yeah your time is nuts I was over 15

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:15 PM

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I can get sub 10, that time I have now is three sack LUL

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 10:16 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/822908163892052058/arthur.png

I hope you’ll appreciate my yt thumbnail

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 10:16 PM

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yeah I timed out on em3 with arthur today :(

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asterius going for the spins is a struggle

solemn pulsar Mar 22, 2021, 10:16 PM

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I just focused Theseus while he was spinning

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Yeah as insane as it sounds, to make my time worth keeping I have to YOLO that fight lol. Like, literally just chunk them and hope for the best.

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:18 PM

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I try to do the same on Guan Yu

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can't say it works everytime

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Definitely doesn't work everytime for me either lmao

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:18 PM

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lol

unique zephyr Mar 22, 2021, 10:21 PM

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shy plinth Also it's worth learning the Arthur input buffering

What exactly is input buffering

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Also, does Arthur hate forced overtime or can I do it with FO2

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On 32

shy plinth Mar 22, 2021, 10:22 PM

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The way arthur dash and attack works is that arthur has a 3 hit sword combo

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But you can actually dash in between the hits and still continue the combo

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It's different from how many other weapons work, like Peach said, it's a "dragging dash"

icy acorn Mar 22, 2021, 10:23 PM

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solemn pulsar https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/822908163892052058/art...

i'd watch it just for the thumbnail

gaunt fiber Mar 22, 2021, 10:23 PM

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unique zephyr Also, does Arthur hate forced overtime or can I do it with FO2

I think you should just try

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And if it's problem, you lower it

wintry berry Mar 22, 2021, 10:24 PM

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I always have FO2 with Arthur

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 10:24 PM

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green citrus It's funny because my entire goal today was to grind Arthur any heat looooll

For Eternal Rose start, would you just take Heartbreak Strike and then look for Smoldering Air?

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Excalibur is one of the 5 left for sub 10 for me. Might do that next.

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:25 PM

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unique zephyr Also, does Arthur hate forced overtime or can I do it with FO2

I run FO2, you do have to get used to it, but worth it in the end.

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:26 PM

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mossy zinc For Eternal Rose start, would you just take Heartbreak Strike and then look for ...

Yeah, heartbreak strike into natty arti or zeus would be optimal. Arti at that point is just for pressure points and true shot to get HR. But SA would definitely go further on a heartbreak strike build

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Tidal Dash good or bad?

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Eh, it's okay lol. It's mostly not great cause it pushes enemies away from your blade.

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Yeah, I wasn't sure because of that. But Excalibur does have a lot of range on those swings.

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Tidal Dash does enough knockback that they'll likely be just out of reach

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sometimes barely

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Yeah, I've had a few tidal dash builds go okay when messing around with builds but honestly Zeus dash with a heartbreak strike/SA build is kinda nice.

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Cause you're gonna naturally build into jolted, double strike, splitting bolt, etc

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 10:29 PM

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Do you just Dash-Strike through Tartarus? 3-hit combo seems like overkill.

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:30 PM

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I use the combo to sweep the rooms, so no. It's effective to basically stack the enemies up as they come toward you and sweep em

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You will one shot stuff pretty often, but I just keep the combo going as I dash around the chambers

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Greater Reflex, I suppose?

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 10:31 PM

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I only do the combo if I can use the sweep hitbox, really

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Otherwise, I cancel with a cast or a special

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Either or, I really like Ruthless Reflex but you need dashes in tart lol

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Past Tart, you'll want the damage from the combo

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So yeah

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Well technically starting against the furies

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Yeah I was gonna say, if you hit the sweep backstab crit on the fury fight it will basically one shot them. With aphro attack, it's like 500 or so dmg, really solid stuff

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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So Shadow Presence then, yes?

honest kernel Mar 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Shadow for sure

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You'll need all the damage against bosses you can get

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Yeah for sure, I've been experimenting with Fiery but the boss backstab damage is so nice with shadow

mossy zinc Mar 22, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Alright.

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I guess Fiery doesn't help with one-shotting if you one-shot without it, anyway.

green citrus Mar 22, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Yeah exactly lol. I find it makes for a little better Ely, but if you already have a good build by then it really doesn't matter

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Heartbreak Strike vs Deadly Strike & Heartbreak Flourish vs Deadly Flourish
All rarities from Lv.1 to Lv.25, and from +0% bonus damage to +180% bonus damage for Attack and +0% to +120% for Special. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIW5HbOHISyth1SjJxlwA6Achu5iDk9hhFr3bwm6nFU/edit?usp=sharing
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Heartbreak Flourish vs Deadly Flourish

Common

LEVEL,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19
base,80%,112%,134%,150%,161%,168%,174%,178%,182%,186%,190%,194%,198%,202%,206%,210%,214%,218%,222%
0,80%,112%,134%,150%,161%,168%,174%,178%,182%,186%,190%,194%,198%,202%,206%,210%,214%,218%,222%
1,81%,113%,135%,151%,162%,169%,175%,179%...

dire steppe Mar 23, 2021, 2:39 AM

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thank you nya

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 2:40 AM

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God, Excalibur is awfully slow.

sick forum Mar 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Hey all, trying to get 40 heat on all weapons and just have sword left. been getting close with Arthur but is there another aspect/build anyone would recommend at that level? Besides just trying to get as much Athena as possible

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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Poseidon.

sick forum Mar 23, 2021, 2:56 AM

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The call?

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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The Aspect.

sick forum Mar 23, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Oh lol right

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Do you just go for Zeus cast like with Achilles Spear

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Lightning Phalanx or Crush Shot + Snow Burst would be my pick.

sick forum Mar 23, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Aight, I'll give it a whirl, thanks

true fable Mar 23, 2021, 3:05 AM

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lighting phalanx op op

solar maple Mar 23, 2021, 3:11 AM

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athena cast 🤤

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:18 AM

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lightning phalanx is so good with cast

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:23 AM

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I did it! Thank you, Excalibur. 💕 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/823758779983462430/Hades_1721.png?width=827&height=465

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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Wooo

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Wasn't even close

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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no exposed dusa

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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Exactly.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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i feel like that's a really bad dps build but sub 10 is sub 10

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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What'd be the point of Exposed lol.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:26 AM

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oh wait no that's just a cast build

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dusa

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:27 AM

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Is that not how you build Excalibur for speedruns?

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m pretty sure it is. dusa

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Had awful rooms in Asphodel, otherwise this was pretty quick.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:28 AM

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how do you even build excalibur on speedruns

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:28 AM

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I just showed you. dusa

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:28 AM

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like do you just build around everything except attack

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dusa moment

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:29 AM

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Seriously, all my attempts at making the aspect work were awfully slow. This was my first sub 3 Tartarus with it lol.

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Or more like, without it.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:30 AM

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by the way the monthly challenge is still on right?

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if i use that "set seed" mod to get hazard bomb in the first chamber does it still qualify

bronze viper Mar 23, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Don't see why it wouldn't lol, it's not a leaderboard or anything. You'd be seeding for something intentionally bad :3

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:33 AM

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Yeah, that's fine.

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There's no end date for the challenges, you can submit whenever you want.

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You can submit runs for challenges from previous months, too.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:34 AM

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are people still submitting barrel-rolls in that case?

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:34 AM

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Yes.

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The "Do a barrel roll!" is our 2021 challenge, in fact. It's not the February challenge.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:35 AM

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yeah that's aphro's request

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Correct.

shy gulch Mar 23, 2021, 3:39 AM

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the way you build excalibur for speedruns is cry then switch to nemesis

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:39 AM

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It's good that whenever an aspect is going badly, I can just do a Crush Shot build.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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or poseidon

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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No.

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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the aspect

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 3:40 AM

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No anyway. dusa

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But yeah I'd rather play Poseidon than Nemesis.

vital grove Mar 23, 2021, 3:53 AM

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I think my fastest Excalibur was like a random 36 heat run where I started with tidal dash and better consecration

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And just killed everything with special and dash relocation

halcyon flame Mar 23, 2021, 3:53 AM

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that seems like a really weird build

vital grove Mar 23, 2021, 3:58 AM

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It was totally weird

drowsy perch Mar 23, 2021, 4:34 AM

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what's the barrel roll challenge

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:36 AM

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A build that melts bosses:
Weapon: Bow
Aspect: Chiron
Hammers: Relentless Volley + Concentrated Volley
Attack: Zeus
Special: Poseidon
Dash: Athena (just preference)
Cast: Arthemis/Zeus (Preference)
Duo: Zeus + Poseidon
MUST: Jolted, Rupture (not priority), double strike
Nice if lucky: Zeus Legendary

honest kernel Mar 23, 2021, 4:37 AM

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gotta rng it first

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:38 AM

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drowsy perch what's the barrel roll challenge

#h1-builds-and-combat message

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:38 AM

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honest kernel gotta rng it first

You can get most things easily

true fable Mar 23, 2021, 4:39 AM

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huh

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LOL

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what the heck

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:40 AM

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I am confused

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But sure sea storm chiron is decent

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Def did well in the speedrun world lately

true fable Mar 23, 2021, 4:40 AM

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heart rend just does more dmg but yeah sea storm chiron pretty good

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heart rend is high rolling hammer rng

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sea storm doesnt require good hammers

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Which one is Heart Rend?

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Relentless and conc are nice to have either way

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Artemis+Aph

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:41 AM

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I meant which build haha

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But I can guess from the conv

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My bad

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:41 AM

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Oh aph attack art special

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:42 AM

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A more reliable Chiron build for melting bosses and everything else: Crush Shot, Snow Burst, Auto Reload.

eager vortex Mar 23, 2021, 4:42 AM

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mossy zinc A more reliable Chiron build for melting bosses and everything else: Crush Shot,...

shadeembarassed

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:42 AM

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Nyaa don't meme too hard

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The crush shot minigun

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:42 AM

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I love Chiron, but it's true lol.

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Well, you do need poms.

eager vortex Mar 23, 2021, 4:43 AM

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flurry cast ?

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:43 AM

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This also does not seem chiron specific

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Flurry Cast is whatever.

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:44 AM

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And now I am thinking about poseidon sword

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think360

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:44 AM

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I like sword Poseidon with artemis boons

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Dislodge hits pretty hard

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:44 AM

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On Poseidon Aspect, you won't won even need Auto Reload lol. Just Crush Shot + Snow Burst.

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:45 AM

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Flurry Cast + Dislodge + Poseidon Sword + praying chaos for more casts

eager vortex Mar 23, 2021, 4:45 AM

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crystal beam + crystal clarity + mirage shot

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Sounds slow.

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But works, I guess.

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:46 AM

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You get 700+ dmg per special hit

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:47 AM

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I meant Painkakke.

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:47 AM

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Ah

mossy zinc Mar 23, 2021, 4:47 AM

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I know Exit Wounds builds. They're alright, I guess. She's not really a priority in Poseidon meta unless you're looking for Mirage Shot.

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Tried with Lighting Rod?

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Rod is kinda sorta free dps but if your casts are the source of your damage it's unlikely that they'll be laying around much I think

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Like if you're on poseidon sword you're constantly churning your casts into and out of enemies or they're just popping right away

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:49 AM

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They deal dmg while hitting the ground

shy plinth Mar 23, 2021, 4:49 AM

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It's not nothing but I don't think I'd call that build defining most of the time

long flax Mar 23, 2021, 4:49 AM

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It's like a nice 120-200 extra dmg on dislodge