Dash nova Arthur
#h1-high-heat-strategies
shy plinth
edgy arrow
you’d be shocked how many people unironically advocate this
sullen minnow
Well I’ve experimented between taking Arty and Aphro keepsakes. 90% of my starts have been seeded with explosive, as mentioned. I try to take advantage of explosive’s thicc base damage and good range to play a blended style. I can rapid fire shotgun it at close range, or charge for big damage at longer ranges
edgy arrow
i’d honestly give twin a try if you haven’t already
bronze viper
If you're explosive, Deadly Strike is the only option that makes sense
edgy arrow
explosive kind of annoys me personally
sullen minnow
If you ever played Destiny 2, Fighting Lion was my favorite weapon and I play Explosive Zag Bow almost exactly the same way. As a single-shot grenade launcher with a variable attack range, that primarily gets its damage across using airbursts
bronze viper
I think you're fine, Explosive is very good
bright mango
Ok I have an idea for switch on how to practice the hades fight(since we don't have save files and stuff). I can just take acorn into hades fight and practice on getting through the first phase without using acorn. If I don't take damage, then I can still quit and retry the fight. As long as I don't get hit, I can efficiently practice the fight
bronze viper
Oh is that how it works. Neat
bright mango
And acorn negates 5 hits, so if my acorn is almost used up, I can just hit quit
edgy arrow
we do have save files tho?
bright mango
We do?
bronze viper
Yeah, the Switch has the same save structure as PC
bright mango
yeah lol
bronze viper
Theoretically?
bronze viper
You need something to alter Switch file data.
bronze viper
Shrug
edgy arrow
do you have the game on PC?
solemn pulsar
as long as you quit to title screen during combat
bright mango
But if you take damage, you can't quit
mossy zinc
You need something to alter Switch file data.
Something like a computer.
shy plinth
On switch you can force close the app can't you
edgy arrow
easiest way would be to make use of the cross platform file sharing
solemn pulsar
oh LOL i'm remembering doing a refight but i guess i didn't take any damage
solemn pulsar
like i got to the victory screen and still was able to refight
shy plinth
Should allow you to rewind
bright mango
It will make you go back to the courtyard
bronze viper
Feels understandably yucky to spend $20 to edit saves though
bright mango
But I can do what I said, and before the acorn runs out, I can still redo the fight
edgy arrow
Feels understandably yucky to spend $20 to edit saves though
fair
bright mango
its just not as convenient as doing what astaos did and stuff to practice the fight
bronze viper
The framerate issues improved dramatically on Switch tbf
bright mango
Framerate is only bad in giant cloner rooms
edgy arrow
someone told me it was like 30fps once and i was horrified
bright mango
Otherwise it is completely fine
bronze viper
EM4 framerate with like, Doomstones is also... suspect at times.
mossy zinc
@sullen minnow I expect you would clear very quickly if you switched to Twin Shot with Heartbreak Strike, and try to get Smoldering Air + Second Wind.
shy plinth
It's better than it was by a lot
But I have a 144hz monitor on pc
Switch can't hit that
bronze viper
But not nearly bad enough that I'd blame framerate instead of my lack of skill for a loss.
edgy arrow
good to hear it’s better
shy plinth
It's like two specific chambers in tart on cloner speeders
shy plinth
It's still a good play experience
But the 144hz with discord on second monitor
Chef's kiss
edgy arrow
agree
shy plinth
Because really if you aren't complaining about td3 while pushing heat
Are you really even doing a run
edgy arrow
i’m up to three monitors now
mossy zinc
And that's the tale of how @shy plinth was banned.
mossy zinc
'Tis too late.
mossy zinc
Don't be ridiculous.
edgy arrow
that’s sick
wintry berry
That's some streamer setup
shy plinth
It's pretty absurd lol
bright mango
https://i.imgur.com/zSegJDc_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
wtf
Thats insane
shy plinth
I podcast too much
spice lava
bronze viper
I have 3 screens, also want a 4th
shy plinth
The vertical monitor on the right clutch for perma discord
edgy arrow
you gotta have more screens than eyes
wintry berry
and here i am with my single monitor laptop
shy plinth
The mini screen underneath main great for twitch chat
bronze viper
I need 2 working screens and 2 "working" screens
bronze viper
or 3:1 depending on context
bright mango
I have 1 desktop
mossy zinc
I don't see a Lady Aphrodite wall-scroll in that image.
edgy arrow
I need 2 working screens and 2 "working" screens
i don’t know exactly what this means but i agree and also require this
mossy zinc
I don't like it.
edgy arrow
i have absolutely no idea how i functioned for years on only a single laptop screen lol
shy plinth
Life finds a way
bronze viper
Lol, I need 2 screens for my job, and 2 screens for things I'm actually doing when I say I'm doing my job
shy plinth
I need a screen for Twitter, a screen for discord, and a screen for either YouTube or video games
Gotta be everywhere
edgy arrow
the thing about more screens is, you always find more stuff to put there
i feel like if i had twelve monitors i’d somehow use them all
shy plinth
Oh yes
You would
It's like how buying a larger desk never makes the counter more clean
You just spread out the same crap
edgy arrow
exactly
honest kernel
heck
bronze viper
The boyfriend dual wields Youtube windows with ASMR and another video while he works. I'm not sure how that works. It blows my mind every time I see it.
Says the guy in a meeting while watching Astaos on Twitch while talking on Discord.
edgy arrow
the more monitors you have the smarter you are confirmed
shy plinth
Watching guan yu doesn't take that much attention tho
edgy arrow
science finds direct correlation between multitasking abilities and number of monitors owned
bronze viper
Watching guan yu doesn't take that much attention tho
My permanently clenched butthole disagrees with you
shy plinth
You should get that checked
bright mango
Same
mossy zinc
Please stay on topic? 
bright mango
Baj is the true gamer here
halcyon flame
unseeded 64 monitors
sullen minnow
<@!377952517910429696> I expect you would clear very quickly if you switched to ...
I'll try this on. I'm never too good for advice, thank you!
edgy arrow
yeah twin is worth a shot (pun intended; intend your puns cowards) imo
you can always go back to explosive if you prefer it
bronze viper
Though ideally you should have a lot of experience with all the good hammers. Bow has a stupid good attack hammer ratio
Even Sniper is... fine
bronze viper
Flurry is also very different.
sullen minnow
Explosive is newer to me tbh, I was a big twin fan before I came across it
shy plinth
I learned explosive on my first run with zag bow
sullen minnow
Just seemed like it outputted roughly the same damage while having more safety available if needed. But I need to return to my roots, so twin I shall try!
shy plinth
I learned that artemis attack with +300% base damage is a big number
honest kernel
play ap2 - no seed; no desicion, no problem :)
sullen minnow
I learned that artemis attack with +300% base damage is a big number
Explosive Zag Deadly strike is insane
bronze viper
Twin normalizes your crit rate
sullen minnow
Play it as a rapid fire shotgun or as a huge-damage howitzer. Both work
shy plinth
Yeah I had explosive and point blank
sullen minnow
Twin normalizes your crit rate
This is true. I’ve been agonizing about the balance of damage between explosive and twin, aphro and artemis
shy plinth
It was pretty silly
sullen minnow
But +100% chance of crit is so powerful
bronze viper
Twin can use either, Explosive only Artemis
sullen minnow
Gotcha
I started screwing with aphro after a while specifically for that damage reduction. I’ll try combining her and twin
bronze viper
Aphro lets you take Zeus for Smoldering Air
sullen minnow
Indeeeeeed
bronze viper
Or a very easy Heart Rend
sullen minnow
Good point
mossy zinc
Weak gives you a lot more eHP, and if you can get Smoldering Air + Second Wind, your eHP will go even higher.
sullen minnow
I should focus on that and see how it treats me
sullen minnow
Weak gives you a lot more eHP, and if you can get Smoldering Air + Second Wind, ...
I thought of you when I switched my keepsakes
bronze viper
At the end of the day though, Zag bow isn't really that much about build gimmick, it's just good play.
sullen minnow
yeah. ranged nemesis and all that. I must git gud, it is the way
bronze viper
Outside of outliers like Twin + Flurry + Epic Swift Strike
mossy zinc
Well, Smoldering Air by itself can help carry a run. Call for i-frames every 5 seconds or less is pretty big.
sullen minnow
I had an outlier build like that with talos once. Rolled heavy knuckle, arty attack, Hyper delivery and epic hermes attack speed, so I was practically back to base Malphon ROF with 40 base damage. It was very 
Yeah smoldering air is half a clear by itself with a good call
I will prioritize finding it
mossy zinc
The good thing is Zeus' Aid is a good call.
sullen minnow
Damn straight!
mossy zinc
If you get Zeus' Aid and Smoldering Air, put all your poms into Zeus' Aid.
sullen minnow
How should I feel about rarity and pomming for calls?
I’m unfamiliar with their scaling
bronze viper
It shouldn't ever... matter?
You'll rarely get the option to pick between calls of different rarity
Once you see good call, take good call
sullen minnow
Nah, more a “hmmmm I got a common zeus call or a rare jolted what shall I do”
celest grail
bronze viper
Some like DIo's AId are pretty much identical. Common = 15, Epic = 18
edgy arrow
if your build is aphro attack and like thunder flourish or something you don’t care about jolted
take that call
sullen minnow
Just as a general example
bronze viper
But pom on Dio's Aid is a doozy. +6/+5/+4/+4 I think?
sullen minnow
Of how rarity/Pom scaling works for calls, of which I have no idea
sullen minnow
So poms good? Rarity nice to have but meh?
We can constrain ourselves to the calls that matter for this discussion
bronze viper
It's case by case
sullen minnow
Dio, zeus pos let’s say
bronze viper
I think for all Calls, poms are great
shy plinth
Wait I posted an old version
bronze viper
And kind of remain great
sullen minnow
10-4
shy plinth
50/55/60/65 and poms are 20/14/10 for Zeus aid
Significant
Rarity scaling is not nothing but seems less relevant than I would have expected
sullen minnow
Ballin
shy plinth
Yeah
bronze viper
Yeah, first pom in every call is insane
sullen minnow
Scribbling furiously, thanks all
shy plinth
Maybe not aphrodite
bronze viper
Oh, right, Athena's is nerfed. Poms don't really matter past the first or second lol
sullen minnow
Yeah aphro I would never Pom
edgy arrow
but yeah rarity is nice but don’t worry about it too much
sullen minnow
Yall know what I mean when I say the big boy calls, and those are the ones I’m thinking of here
bronze viper
Yeah
edgy arrow
a boon that you want is never going to become a boon that you don’t want because of common rarity
bronze viper
It's my favorite call lol, the first pom is like... another boon lmao
mossy zinc
Call rarity has a very noticeable impact on DPS and utility, but it's not typically the deciding factor unless you're choosing between a core boon and a call.
sullen minnow
a boon that you want is never going to become a boon that you don’t want because...
Sage
vital grove
Most notably deadly strike
shy plinth
Rarity can determine picks though
edgy arrow
for sure
shy plinth
If I want both jolted and billow, I would take whichever one is higher rarity
edgy arrow
i like to think of it like a tier list
shy plinth
But would still take common jolted over like epic clouded judgment
sullen minnow
Do tell
bronze viper
I pick Static Discharge extremely highly, mostly to max chances of pomming it
edgy arrow
if there are two S tier boons for my build, i might just take the higher rarity one
bronze viper
It scales dummie good with both rarity and poms
sullen minnow
Why are all the call-generating boons trash argle bargle
vital grove
Proud bearing is great
edgy arrow
but if there is a common S tier and an epic A tier i’m still taking that S tier
sullen minnow
Why is the best call generating boon not a call generating boon lol
True, I guess proud bearing counts
sullen minnow
Ok, got me there lol
shy plinth
I did clear the other day with an epic boiling point
vital grove
Well smoldering is possibly the second best duo in the game
shy plinth
But also had smoldering air athena call lul
sullen minnow
Just makes me giggle how support fire absolutely carries call-related builds better than any other non-smouldering boon I can think of
And ares dash too I guess
vital grove
Proud bearing in Styx chambers
sullen minnow
💞
mossy zinc
Support Fire won't do much for your call on Zag Bow.
sullen minnow
Oh yeah, I just mean in general
Zag bow isnt getting calls outside of smoldering air lol
I’ve died enough to observe that
vital grove
Support fire Lucifer
sullen minnow
Support fire ares dash fists
wintry berry
Support fire is great on fast attacking aspects
sullen minnow
I’ve never seen a call bar charge so fast on its own
I had half of smoldering just by doing my thing
mossy zinc
With Demeter Aspect, I often see Zeus' Aid with Smoldering Air do about 50% of my damage in the Hades fight.
With poms on it, of course.
vital grove
I'd buy that for about tree fiddy obols
mossy zinc
m good at figuring out all the cheap builds that can carry your run. 
Why git gud when you can git Smoldering Air.
shy plinth
Best part of smoldering air? The billow uptime
edgy arrow
and the second wind uptime
i dodged about 6 attacks from hades last time i had second wind and smouldering
shy plinth
SECOND WIIIIIIND
sullen minnow
Is it that good
shy plinth
Smoldering air is that good
edgy arrow
i mean, that’s better than a second acorn
sullen minnow
Ok the hat man put it in all caps it's that good
edgy arrow
so yeah
shy plinth
But sometimes it's fun to win more
sullen minnow
I meant wind
sullen minnow
Copy copy hat man
shy plinth
But smoldering air does not need the help lol
shy plinth
sullen minnow
Excuse me, your royal hatterson
sullen minnow
That's wonderful
I love alliterative names
My business is full of good ones lol, always makes me smile
sullen minnow
Close lol
mossy zinc
It raises the question.
edgy arrow
professional band namer?
edgy arrow
oh neat
sullen minnow
It's just an actual weird quirk of where we’re located lol. Tons of folks with weird, unique, rhyming or alliterative names. Makes me grin all the time. Of course he's named that, why wouldn't he be 😂
edgy arrow
alliteration is an undervalued virtue tbh
mossy zinc
Are you located in or near Hogwarts?
edgy arrow
lmao
sullen minnow
I have character names featured in my real life stories that would make you howl with laughter and disbelief that they could be actual people
I don’t want to spoil too much, but for an easy example, one of our characters was/is named Buckshot
That was his actual name, and nobody, not a soul, ever addressed him otherwise
mossy zinc
I don't howl. That's the Llamwulf @bronze viper's domayn.
bronze viper
aroo
sullen minnow
I have a man working with me who’s name is Caos. Not Chaos, Caos
mossy zinc
You reacted.
sullen minnow
Caos has worked with us for over a decade. I have no idea what his real name is, and hope I never find out 🙂
mossy zinc
Now you can't deny that you're a llamwful anymore.
edgy arrow
maybe Caos is his real name
mossy zinc
Half llama, half beowulf.
sullen minnow
Entirely possibly
mossy zinc
The Llamwulf.
edgy arrow
oh yeah ig ledger is a traitor to team bow now
mossy zinc
No.
edgy arrow
you either play beo or bow in this channel, that’s the rules
mossy zinc
He's half bow.
bronze viper
If you cut it in half book-wise you can make two smaller bows
edgy arrow
two bows with no structural integrity
but legally, they’re still bows
we could make a fortune
mossy zinc
You expect integrity from one who's tag is Rama Llama but who mains Beowulf?
edgy arrow
to be fair, deep down everyone wants to main beowulf
wait
i got myself and everyone confused again
edgy arrow
live your dream Hat
edgy arrow
or die your dream
bronze viper
Anemic Furry Slaps: the Aspect
shy plinth
Merciful End: The placeholder aspect
But every so often I'll do like coin purse gilga
mossy zinc
Perhaps the Gilgamesh mains are responsible for its reputation.
edgy arrow
Hit special then make a cup of coffee while it cools down: the aspect
shy plinth
If you're not rush kickin are you really gilgameshing
mossy zinc
You tell us the meta.
edgy arrow
oh
mossy zinc
You're not getting out of this. It's your most-played aspect. You're a Gilgamesh main.
edgy arrow
i think the part i’ve been getting wrong is step one
shy plinth
Okay real talk some zap slaps are super fun
Demeter attack is really enjoyable if you get arctic blast
Ares dash is as hilarious as you think it is
Also if you're taking poseidon look for flood shot and get some CoD goin
Generally probs don't do poseidon tho
edgy arrow
i tried to use demeter attack but instead i accidentally just used aspect of demeter
worked great, i recommend it
shy plinth
I'd be super down for zeus attack aph special smoldering air dio call ares dash
Maybe even get a little mood goin
Or some curse of nausea
mossy zinc
I can understand, though. As a hat, it must be exhilarating to experience the illusion of having hands.
shy plinth
One day I will be free of this hatly prison with a human form
mossy zinc
Nope.
mossy zinc
Maybe even get a little mood goin
Or some curse of nausea
I think you have a drinking problem.
edgy arrow
i mean i honestly know nothing about the aspect haha
shy plinth
And yeah you could do poseidon cast to hit duo reqs for sea storm and then take dash
shy plinth
But dash by itself will be a little awkward since your attacks aren't likely to hit
Yes
Yes I am captain janeway
edgy arrow
makes sense ig
but you can focus on what really matters; getting 8 dashes and becoming master of the universe
shy plinth
Also that
Anyways the long and short version here is that gilga is fun and no there is no meta outside merciful end and it's the aspect I play when I want to do like a chill 24
edgy arrow
that’s fair
honestly i really want to like it
it does seem fun, i just don’t have a good feel for it
someday i wanna actually learn it so i can enjoy it more
shy plinth
Yeah I have fun with it because I mostly don't bother with the special much
It's necessary before a build is online but it is incredibly awkward
edgy arrow
lol have you seen Hadesprof’s runs with it?
edgy arrow
he basically only uses special
idk how it works at all
but it looks cool
and he gets stuff done
shy plinth
Hadesprof OP
edgy arrow
indeed
true fable
sullen minnow
Maim not at least being equal with its buff/debuff, and needing an hammer to close the gap will forever be one of the more baffling balance choices I’ve ever seen in a game
honest kernel
ok
sullen minnow
I will forever look down my nose at Gilga on those grounds alone
gaunt fiber
Today I got 5 sacked at 50 heat.
sullen minnow
bright mango
goooodbye gaemers
wanton plover
bye pengy
bright mango
No I was talking about the stream
bronze viper
bye pengy
halcyon flame
goodbye pengy
icy acorn
sayonara, pengy-san
bright mango
I’M SO TRIGGERED
DAD WAS AT LIKE 1 SHOT RANGE
AND I DIED
I’M SO MAD
I’M DONE
I WAS ONE SHOT TO SWEEP
AND THEN HE SWEEPED
AHAHAID IN EIDJSKID
THIS GAME SUCKS
wintry berry
You are tilted, just take a break
bright mango
I WAS SO SURE I HAD IT
And i also missed meg because of phase
So that probably counts for something
omg
I’m done
Why
Why
halcyon flame
how could you miss meg
waxen relic
Hmm, 10/24 40s and i don't know if i wanna continue, being able to do it but it being hard is kinda stressing me
bright mango
I just can’t believe I threw that hard
bronze viper
Throwing is a marker of skill. You can't throw if you didn't have the skill to do it in the first place :3
bright mango
Right now for the rest the day, I’m just going to practice dad fight
bronze viper
I can't throw EM4 because I can't do EM4 :3
Shields don't count. They cheat like crazy
icy acorn
em4 tips 101: "stay the fork away"
that's how i beat 32 (i know you're doing much higher heat than 32 but yeah that's really all i have sorry)
i prioritize staying as far away as possible over actually shooting most of the time
bronze viper
Lol, it's fine all are welcome here. The channel is mostly to filter out basic mechanics questions and to have a place for people to talk about high heat stuff without scaring the normies away
gaunt fiber
Throwing is a marker of skill. You can't throw if you didn't have the skill to ...
I'm so skilled
bronze viper
For context, I got to the end of phase 2 part 2 Dad with 2 Acorn charges left and died horribly.
mossy zinc
A machine doesn't have skill.
vital grove
Astaos in the Shell
gaunt fiber
I tried cold embrace at 40 today
vital grove
oNe - Neo
mossy zinc
And you are the chosen one.
gaunt fiber
Fun days
vital grove
I make this statement
Astaos will do Guan Yu 56 one day.
This is a small prophecy from the fated list.
gaunt fiber
reward : 12 hp
vital grove
Reward: You did it, boyo.
You become a real boy.
Astaos shall carry the Skull Earring and slay Hades.
gaunt fiber
skull earring EM4 ew
vital grove
No em4 tho
gaunt fiber
56 no EM4?
vital grove
Yes.
gaunt fiber
There's no way Guan Yu can take AP2 TD3 CP2 JS3 DC2
vital grove
It's a one in a million run
gaunt fiber
I'd throw it
vital grove
You'd throw the Spear, hit the boss in the nose and win.
gaunt fiber
lmao
waxen relic
but if you don't get hit it's not dps 
gaunt fiber
I take the jerky on spin builds
vital grove
Bad boy
unique zephyr
4 sack, 30 seconds left to fight dad lmao
unique zephyr
Died, been having trouble with Nemesis Sword 32
sullen minnow
You only need ~1500 minimum DPS, you’ll be fine 👍🏻
vital grove
Ahh, nemesis
sullen minnow
Oh yeah
unique zephyr
I only have sword and shield left for 32
vital grove
Can I suggest Poseidon instead
unique zephyr
Yes, what cast?
sullen minnow
^^^^^
unique zephyr
Is Phalax also good for Beowulf? I'll probably do beo for shield
vital grove
Nope
sullen minnow
Posiedon or Artemis good too maybe for mirage shot
vital grove
Flood Flare
unique zephyr
i've seen people suggest flood flare for beo
vital grove
Mirage Shot is amazing on cast weapons
sullen minnow
The “single shot burst of damage” archetype is good in general for posiedon sword
Anything that might stick in an enemy is on the board
Athena and posiedon? Probably are most useful as standalones
Maybe Zeus too for rooms
vital grove
Electric shot Poseidon is a room killer
sullen minnow
Yeah zzzzzzzap
unique zephyr
I hope Poseidon sword will be easier
vital grove
One small thing
unique zephyr
I had hyper delivery and heart rend and still lost with nem
sullen minnow
Mmhmmm. I don’t posiedon much but when I do I take my first boon as cast then try and accommodate the whole rest of my build around that
vital grove
If you go Phalanx Shot, Athena special, doom attack and find ME just play ME as you throw your casts
sullen minnow
Yeah that will vaporize stuff
vital grove
Athena call is also very useful on Pos as it gives you some safety when going in for special and collect
Legacy is good if you want duos
mossy zinc
Can I suggest Poseidon instead
Why Poseidon over Excalibur at 32? 
honest kernel
Lightning Phalanx, Mirage Shot, Parting Shot are all great duos to get
So legacy does have a say
sullen minnow
I have enough ptsd from gods pride not existing lol. I’m terrified to turn it off unless I’m explicitly after duos
vital grove
I like cast weapons.
sullen minnow
Though I guess I should just let go since it already likes to play tricks on me lol
vital grove
Arthur is good but Fo2 is pretty punishing, if swords is his last weapon maybe Poseidon, a cast stick and not really a sword, should be easier.
mossy zinc
Yeah, I guess if you want to take FO2 at 32. But you don't really have to.
FO0 Excalibur is just such a chill run, though.
Silly eHP, no magma damage, disables so many traps, projectiles are beautifully slow, naked shades in Elysium are stunned, Flame Wheels and Chariots grind to a halt.
solemn pulsar
Silly eHP, no magma damage, disables so many traps, projectiles are beautifully ...
only no lava damage if you have the sigil down, which in rooms like EM2 lernie can be tough to have everywhere at once
solemn pulsar
which one pplaff
mossy zinc
Sure, but you can drop it in the center and have so much room to run wherever you like.
solemn pulsar
tbf i only said that so i could call it lava instead of magma
mossy zinc
You can still take some magma damage here and there, of course.
You're an evil, evil seagull, cgull.
gaunt fiber
There's no way I'm a magma swimmer
mossy zinc
Come on. That was poetry.
gaunt fiber
lava swimmer looks cooler
solemn pulsar
some scholars would say that it's only called magma while it's in the chamber below the volcano, and once it begins to flow it becomes magma, rather than a state of being above/underground
solemn pulsar
not the god of geology
half heart
We know that Greek gods where more alike humans than they thought 😛
shy gulch
gaunt fiber
ok pog frog
solemn pulsar
unique zephyr
Arthur is good but Fo2 is pretty punishing, if swords is his last weapon maybe P...
Shield and sword are my last weapons
Is beo easy/good for shield or is it a meme
I can’t really tell
gaunt fiber
Bacchus have you seen my beowulf clip yet
gaunt fiber
Exactly
solemn pulsar
beowulf is a fantastic high heat weapon
unique zephyr
Funny
gaunt fiber
So it was miserable right
unique zephyr
Which shield is easiest
solemn pulsar
for 32? if you suck at beowulf you could cheese an ares/dionysus chaos shield build
unique zephyr
If I want to get 32 shield done
solemn pulsar
but beowulf is probably the best
gaunt fiber
you should wreck 32 with beo
solemn pulsar
just go boosh
mossy zinc
I think Zeus Aspect is easy to get very good results with.
Difficult to master, though.
waxen relic
Depending on attidude ZagShield can be a quick one-shot
Or you just don't know how to play it
mossy zinc
Zag and Chaos are both pretty easy to figure out, yeah.
unique zephyr
What are good builds for those shields
mossy zinc
Well, I guess Zag Shield is a very fundamental aspect. If you have good Hades fundamentals, you can pick up Zag Shield very easily and get results.
waxen relic
You can go Heart Rend on Z, or Heartbreak Strike and Smoldering f.e.
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike for Zag Shield can do a lot of work.
We were thinking the same thing lol.
sullen minnow
Heart rend zag shield probably does excellent DPS
My usual zag build is aphro attack doom special
gaunt fiber
Don't forget that a shield can block
sullen minnow
Gives you a versatile long-range damage button and a good sturdy attack
mossy zinc
I should have pressed Enter sooner. You beat me because I was pondering for a moment if there was anything to add. 
waxen relic
And it's not a bad idea to forget the shieldspecial
sullen minnow
The double attack hammer is very, very big for zag shield
So is explosive return
Zag shield special looks like its bad, but it’s not horrible actually
mossy zinc
Don't forget that a shield can block
Weren't you trying to run from Asterius the last time I saw you play shield instead of just blocking his charge?
gaunt fiber
Exactly
sullen minnow
Think of it like the sticky grenades Batman would whip at a bad dude while he’s running in to sock him in the jaw. The grenades dont hurt too much, but what’s attached to them does
gaunt fiber
The Guan Yu instincts are strong
mossy zinc
And it's not a bad idea to forget the shieldspecial
Who is shieldspecial? 
gaunt fiber
This is why I typed this
sullen minnow
Keep a good curse on zag shield special and use it like a utility button for all the moments you arent immediately mashing in faces
waxen relic
Who is shieldspecial? <:shadeohboy:520448134590234651>
Exactly. Well done.
mossy zinc
Think of it like the sticky grenades Batman would whip at a bad dude while he’s ...
wut
gaunt fiber
some people may forget that a shield can be used a shield
sullen minnow
That might be a little bit of a tortured analogy lol
But the point of zag shield’s special isn’t the damage it does for me, it’s the damage that you can attach to it via curses for use as a longer-range utility attack
I use it to inflict doom or zeus on mobs, and to chip off some health while I’m dashing in on approach to start wailing on the A button
sullen minnow
Explosive return is also great with zag shield
waxen relic
Kinda similar to Special on Hestia
sullen minnow
Amazing, really
waxen relic
And Explosive Return is just an A-Tier Hammer
sullen minnow
Best 3 zag hammers are double attack, dash attack, and explosive return imo
waxen relic
Charged Shot
sullen minnow
Though then again those are also probably just the best shield hammers (cept charged shot)
I’m morally against bullrushing ever with zag shield lol. Me caveman. Me dash attack and make brains into paste until bad mans all gone
waxen relic
You can use Charge Shot as a second Attack after the dash-strike with double damage
sullen minnow
Yeah charge shot is a little bit of a different case
Charge shot I make an exception for
I do actually find bullrush extremely helpful as an approach option for Zeus after watching Baj
Very nice safe way to reliably launch your destructo disk into the heart of a swarm of baddies
mossy zinc
Think of it like the sticky grenades Batman would whip at a bad dude while he’s ...
Your analogy is a riddle. Riddler! Your profile picture is a compass. What does a compass do? It can show you the direction you face. Face! What else is a compass? It's a circle. What's also a circle? A coin. How many sides does a coin have? Two. Two-Face! The Riddler and Two-Face are working together! @gaunt fiber, let's go to the Catmobile!
sullen minnow
Lollllll
unique zephyr
My TD3 wins have nearly always been cutting it super close in at least one biome, is that normal?
sullen minnow
I am an enigma wrapped in a mystery ensconced in a paradox guarded by a sphinx
You shall never stop me, Bat Mannnnn!
unique zephyr
Like I’m getting faster but I don’t feel fast enough
I think all of my high heat wins were 2 sacks so far
sullen minnow
Bro if I get out of tartarus with 30 seconds on the clock I’m golden
Cause I’m not dead yet
sullen minnow
Seriously, I find the timer to be scariest in tartarus by far
I don’t know how, I don’t know why, but I’ve learned through observation not to be afraid. It seems like the curve just gets better and better as you cross through biomes
Any landing you can walk away from is a good one
mossy zinc
What would a Catmobile look like?
sullen minnow
so dont be scared if youre belly scraping coming out of tartarus
waxen relic
hmm, i got a ch29 Patty and nothing else in Ely today
unique zephyr
I sometimes have timed out in elysium vs heroes but that’s my fault usually
gaunt fiber
It's awesome
mossy zinc
It is.
sullen minnow
I sometimes have timed out in elysium vs heroes but that’s my fault usually
Look, think of this how a professional would
This is all about splits
What 30 seconds left in tartarus really means is you need to shift into a different decision gear in your next biomes to make up for some of that
And you don’t need all of it back, you’ll still naturally be getting that curve I mentioned
mossy zinc
Look, think of this how a professional would
A professional would realize there's no money to be made in high heat Hades and go play something else.
sullen minnow
But if I’m short coming out of tartarus I think to myself “ok, no excuses now I have to take every free room I can”
sullen minnow
A professional would realize there's no money to be made in high heat Hades and ...
Real, true professionals are closer to psychopaths in how driven they are to perform and compete than most people realize. They would do things like this for fun and turn it into a giant pissing contest with each other. They’re incapable of doing otherwise, it’s what makes them great 😉
I know a couple and they’re scary people in the right light lol
But bacchus all being low on time means is you need to make some up later, and you walk into the biome knowing that. You are in control of your destiny!
mossy zinc
My sensei is a pro gamer.
sullen minnow
Lol no way, who 👀
gaunt fiber
I'm a pro gamer too
mossy zinc
Punk.
sullen minnow
I’m not even trying to talk down. I’ve just been around and in the company of enough and it’s kind of unnerving being around them long term lol
Some people are built very, very differently. They would love this game if they ever found it
Is he/she really nya? That’s awesome if so
I really admire people that are governed and driven by their sense of competition. It sharpens a person, mind and soul
mossy zinc
Yep. He's been helping me out with Street Fighter V for a couple years now. Super fun guy, too.
sullen minnow
That’s awesome. People that dedicate themselves to living their craft like that have my utmost respect
unique zephyr
I would love to learn fighting games, I need to heal up though
unique zephyr
That’s awesome. People that dedicate themselves to living their craft like that ...
Same for me
sullen minnow
play smash lol
unique zephyr
I need good netcode
honest kernel
Avoid smash then
gaunt fiber
online smash bad
unique zephyr
I have a game with rollback netcode, my main problem is execution
sullen minnow
Then pick up Ganondorf “what the hell is a combo” Dragmire and enjoy your 0.7APM wins
honest kernel
lets take this to general games lol
honest kernel
Yep. He's been helping me out with Street Fighter V for a couple years now. Supe...
Oh damn, that's cool of him
bright mango
I timed out to heroes in the next run
honest kernel
Punk is a really good top player in Street Fighter V, for the record
sullen minnow
Ohhhhhhh
bright mango
Freaking patty never shows up
sullen minnow
I thought she was calling Astaos a punk 🤣🤣
mossy zinc
Yeah, you'll need to grind a ton for good execution. But you're making amazing progress in Hades. There aren't a lot of people who've done 32 all weapons, and you're getting pretty close to that.
sullen minnow
Nothing lol, it was when I first asked her. Flew right over my head
gaunt fiber
Only the truth : I'm indeed a pro gamer
mossy zinc
Punk is a *really* good top player in Street Fighter V, for the record
My sensei is the bestest. 💕
honest kernel
I thought she was calling Astaos a punk 🤣🤣
No he actually calls himself punk lol
sullen minnow
Only the truth : I'm indeed a pro gamer
No way, that’s righteous!
honest kernel
punkdagod, to be precise
i never played fgs with enough money on the line
but that sounds cool
It's an experience in of itself
gaunt fiber
No way, that’s righteous!
(I just mean I made around 50 dollars with streaming lmao)
bright mango
I’m still conflicted between starting deadly strike or heartbreak strike
mossy zinc
(I just mean I made around 50 dollars with streaming lmao)
This is not the channel to flex your riches.
sullen minnow
Bro good enough for the French tax inspectors, good enough for me 🤣🤣
mossy zinc
I’m still conflicted between starting deadly strike or heartbreak strike
Heartbreak Strike. 💕
gaunt fiber
This is not the channel to flex your riches.
Hey I would not call that a flex
bright mango
I’m not looking for answers from a biased simp
wintry berry
There's another solution called shackle
honest kernel
I mean I was to a lot of tourneys its lot of fun, was just never enough to make a living even for the best players
sullen minnow
You can’t lie to us astaos
sullen minnow
That $50 is at least $600 before French taxes 😜
honest kernel
I mean I was to a lot of tourneys its lot of fun, was just never enough to make ...
And that's gonna be it for most scenes, really. You only get that much money going to like stacked regionnals or nationals
gaunt fiber
yeah twitch only takes 50% :D
sullen minnow
lolol
honest kernel
yeah pretty much
and the game was too small for it to make money anywhere
well now online tourneys are the new thing anyway
for better or for worse for some games
A shame the netcode is ass on most of 'em
I'd be tempted otherwise
yeah
Guilty Gear Strive looking kinda nice tho 👀
sullen minnow
turn based games new esports champs of the 2020s you heard it here first folks
honest kernel
strive looks cool but they rly went overboard with the effects and ui on that game
sullen minnow
Welcome to the XCOM Grand Finals at EVO 2023
honest kernel
Welcome to the XCOM Grand Finals at EVO 2023
If there was a PVP of that I'd watch it
LOL
sullen minnow
Actually that could make for some pretty hilarious playercam moments
honest kernel
The closest we have to a competitive turn-based game is like what, pokemon ?
sullen minnow
When a shot misses point blank 🙃
mossy zinc
Level of competition in Hades would go up so much if there was money to be made. But it's fun like this, very close community.
gaunt fiber
yeah
honest kernel
agreed
wintry berry
Imagine 64 heat clear competitions
honest kernel
money on hades sounds like a recipe for suffering....rng
sullen minnow
Really holding out hope for the release of windjammers 2 to deliver us all to salvation ngl
honest kernel
Imagine 64 heat clear competitions
please no
honest kernel
money on hades sounds like a recipe for suffering....rng
That hasn't stopped Hearthstone
sullen minnow
RNG makes putting money on a game better for everyone but the players lol
it’s why poker is entertaining to watch
bright mango
Yeah everyone in the community seems to know each other
sullen minnow
poker but you have god’s pride 👀
mossy zinc
RNG makes it better for the weaker players.
sullen minnow
Still draw a pair of 2s and trash lol
honest kernel
I'd argue card games rng kinda play out differently than hades
because you generally try to make it favourable for you and got best to x
Well, Hades is a single-player game, first off
yep
shy plinth
You did! Hi Baj
gaunt fiber
No need to talk about it
honest kernel
Used to play it a bunch. Stopped after a while
shy plinth
Tbh I think both are similar in terms of how skill matters more than any randomness
mossy zinc
Well, Hades is a single-player game, first off
Or is it?
shy plinth
But randomness is visible and relevant
sullen minnow
Also rng is kind of one of those “everyone is special / no one is special” elements in games
honest kernel
Top level hearthstone play is a lot less apparent then it seems
mossy zinc
You've been playing against Amir all along.
gaunt fiber
Well, Hades is a single-player game, first off
If it's a single player game who is taking 50% of my hp
shy plinth
The same people still chill on the top of the leaderboards month after month and year after year
sullen minnow
Games with tons of RNG you don’t mind it, since ceaseless change is just how things are done
Games with no RNG have concrete rules and are inherently stable and easy to understand
But games with just a liiiiiiittle RNG are enough to drive people mad
mossy zinc
If you do particularly bad, he might even give you a call to taunt you on stream.
shy plinth
People have strong emotional responses for sure, and there are times in live service games where the pendulum swings too far
honest kernel
The same people still chill on the top of the leaderboards month after month and...
Not denying it takes skill. Just that it's easy, as a spectator, to just write it off as lucky or not
shy plinth
Hades is a sealed box so you know what you're getting
Oh sure
The emotional reactions to visible randomness are super easy to come by
And that's a mentality at all levels, and it's relevant quite often
But over time the skill wins out
sullen minnow
Bro I lived all of destiny 1 and 2
unique zephyr
Yeah, you'll need to grind a ton for good execution. But you're making amazing p...
Thanks for reminding me of my progress 🙂 . One thing is that one of my characters has a teleport that requires down down and a button and I can’t pull it off consistently
honest kernel
Yup. Especially in a card game, where you could mess up before the game even began, IE when building the deck.
sullen minnow
I cannot begin to describe the agony, the ecstasy of watching others pull a Gjallahorn out of That One Vault of Glass Chest and not having my own until one day, that same chest magically gifted it to me
unique zephyr
Also, in Hades the pool of boons you pull from are pretty small
And you can force gods
gaunt fiber
yeah but AP
mossy zinc
The same people still chill on the top of the leaderboards month after month and...
What if the top players aren't the most skilled but the ones with the most time to play, so they have a better chance of getting luckier runs.
sullen minnow
dedication and skill are positively correlated factors
gaunt fiber
I mean.
mossy zinc
So you say.
unique zephyr
Usually the people who play for the longest are the most skilled? I am improving surprisingly fast even given I can play for limited amounts of time right now
sullen minnow
think of it the opposite way, after 10,000 hours of doing something, how can you make a mistake?
gaunt fiber
think of it the opposite way, after 10,000 hours of doing something, how can you...
Me after taking a hit with GY
sullen minnow
That’s how a professional edge is developed and honed. Tons and tons of focused practice
mossy zinc
I still hold that @honest kernel just got very, very lucky on his unseeded 64.
sullen minnow
Mmmmmmmm, not directly
honest kernel
gaunt fiber
yeah the AP was not really relevant tbh
sullen minnow
I will again take the inverse side of the coin and say that geniuses do little with their life but practice their craft
unique zephyr
The highest heat I’ll push is probably the highest I can avoid AP at
I’ve had fun with my Hestia 40
mossy zinc
geniuses do little with their life
Why you gotta call me out like that?
sullen minnow
I know enough to know the personality type lol
You live in your own beautiful, cursed cage
unique zephyr
Hey the reason I’m doing so little with my life is because of chronic pain...although I’m no genius either
sullen minnow
You could not be anything but what you are even if you tried
unique zephyr
And right now me not doing much is the most medically sound thing for me to do
gaunt fiber
We're not trying to shame anyone
unique zephyr
Oh ok sorry
sullen minnow
Lol yeah
unique zephyr
I can get a bit sensitive
sullen minnow
This is a video game discord
We are all, at this moment, not doing a goddamned productive thing lol
mossy zinc
Aurash was shaming me for being a genius.
mossy zinc
It's not my fault m this amazing.
sullen minnow
Were the world so bright as its most brilliant souls
gaunt fiber
lmao
unique zephyr
Once I finish resting I’m going to try out beo and see if it’s fun for me
mossy zinc
You commoners don't understand how tough it is to be destined for greatness.
honest kernel
its okay 😔
tidal flame
you two keep stroking each other's ego =.=
dire steppe
Yeah, you'll need to grind a ton for good execution. But you're making amazing p...
wdym there arent a lot of people
its everyone in this channel
i think you could say there aren't a lot of people that have done 50 heat
that number is probably like about 100 people
sullen minnow
In fairness, she has the numerical point
Statistically, I’d wager the % of the total player base that’s cleared 32 to be quite low
dire steppe
that's fair
sullen minnow
This channel already represents an extremely diluted, talented sample pool
gaunt fiber
hehe I'm talented
dire steppe
i think i'm like bottom 2-4 in this channel though and I have 32x6
unique zephyr
This channel already represents an extremely diluted, talented sample pool
It’s easy to forget that and feel bad about yourself
dire steppe
i've never cleared a heat above 33
gaunt fiber
Never feel bad Bacchus
sullen minnow
Meaningful results about the player population would be hard to extract from even talent base in the regular build channel
unique zephyr
I did 40 Hestia and 4 x 32 and I’m probably among the worst in this channel
gaunt fiber
I come from #h1-builds-and-combat
unique zephyr
But that’s okay
gaunt fiber
and look at me now
sullen minnow
Just having the wits to go ask someone on discord about it is more steps than many will take
dire steppe
Wtf bacchus how do you have 40 heat and not 32x6
gaunt fiber
exactly
dire steppe
Which weapons arfe you missing lmap
unique zephyr
I don’t have sword and shield yet
dire steppe
oh
unique zephyr
Everything else I do
dire steppe
shield is probably one of the easier ones doe
mossy zinc
Second Skelly statue is at 6% on Steam. That's 16 Heat.
mossy zinc
Most players don't do 32 at all, and most who do 32 only do it once.
sullen minnow
Yeah zeus shield just kind of wrecks bacchus
honest kernel
Spinning plater good
sullen minnow
But it’s a high skill cap weapon
dire steppe
I dont know how to use hestia
unique zephyr
Is zeus shield zeus on special?
sullen minnow
Not very punishing but very demanding
unique zephyr
Hestia is my only 40 so far
dire steppe
Is zeus shield zeus on special?
Theres literally ana spect of zeus
sullen minnow
Lots of buttons to push and things to manage and plates to spin
mossy zinc
Click boom. It's a sniper rifle.
honest kernel
Is zeus shield zeus on special?
Yes. Can also do Artemis special and Merciful End
dire steppe
oh i think i misinterpreted
em4 fo2 for 40 heat mfw and you call yourself a bad gamer
sullen minnow
if you haven’t played much zeus Bacchus I don’t know that I’d start with 32 for it
Zeus is extremely powerful but it takes learning how to manipulate your destructo disk well
And that takes some practicing
sullen minnow
It may come naturally to you, it did pretty easily for me, but I’ve heard others speak of a learning curve with the weapon
dire steppe
I think i did some weird ass build for zeus 32
mossy zinc
I read Bacchus as Baj for a moment lol.
dire steppe
Thunder flourish frost strike and td2
mossy zinc
That was my reaction.
dire steppe
Just put shield in vicinity of enemy and start W h a c k i n g !
bronze viper
Alternate universe where Baj is just like, really really lucky
sullen minnow
Baj is my shining shrine to my favorite aspect
dire steppe
Alternate universe where Baj is just like, *really really* lucky
yes that was acgtually an unseeded unrouted run
baj just guessed the summon nubers right
god gamer
bronze viper
"I did 64 heat by accident. Can I have help with 32 unseeded?"
honest kernel
LMAO
gaunt fiber
It reminds me a certain dude
honest kernel
not gonna lie I'd kinda need it for other weapons
gaunt fiber
coincidence, forget it
mossy zinc
Alternate universe where Baj is just like, *really really* lucky
That was what people kept telling me when I tried to argue for making seeded and unseeded separate before 1.0. It's the same because you can just get lucky and then there's no difference.
Will I ever stop bringing that up? No. Payback time. 🔫
tidal flame
it still is lol
solemn pulsar
Baj: oh no I’m bad at other weapons
Also Baj: fastest sword time
gaunt fiber
Speedrun stinky
honest kernel
No way I'm reproducing that
solemn pulsar
He also has high heat clears on other weps
honest kernel
Geez. That was relative
tidal flame
speedrunners weirdchamp
solemn pulsar
The Zeus skill is just so much beeg
unique zephyr
em4 fo2 for 40 heat mfw and you call yourself a bad gamer
No, this was 16
For EM4 FO2
gaunt fiber
crying for room rng smh
unique zephyr
I don’t do EM4 at high heat
dire steppe
i would concede that maybe seeded could be in the same category as unseeded if the video showed no manips at all
gaunt fiber
(I do the same in high heat)
unique zephyr
This was just to see if I could do it
dire steppe
but that sounds like extremely annoying to verify
mossy zinc
Baj: oh no I’m bad at other weapons
Also Baj: fastest sword time
Maybe he wasn't saying he's bad. Maybe he was dissing all of us.
"m not even good with sword and I beat you all? Wow, you suck."—@honest kernel, paraphrased
honest kernel
no that absolutely ain't it
gaunt fiber
it absolutely is
unique zephyr
I need help with sword
gaunt fiber
I'm disappointed
honest kernel
anyheat speedrunning nowadays is super reliant on luck
dire steppe
consider mistral dash
honest kernel
^ legit worst dash in the game don't ever do it
gaunt fiber
lmao