#h1-high-heat-strategies

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bronze viper
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Thanks 🙂

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I'm not getting Eris to 50 lol. I haven't even gotten to Asphodel in like 10 attempts.

gaunt fiber
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You did beo 50?

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Or the mighty bow?

unique zephyr
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Thanks for the malphon tips, @mossy zinc , I didn’t know most of this

bronze viper
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Beo

gaunt fiber
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Pog

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Congrats dude

bronze viper
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Thanks. You are really just about as close as I was lol, only a matter of time

unique zephyr
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Congrats, @bronze viper

gaunt fiber
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yeah but you know

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I don't even mind losing at phase 3

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I just don't care idk why

unique zephyr
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I’m still proud of myself for my zag bow 32 I got yesterday

bronze viper
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Lol right? It really bothers me on every other aspect to die last phase dad but I don't care on Beo, not even slightly

unique zephyr
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And pleasantly surprised at my improvement

bronze viper
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Maybe it's because I'm playing it as kind of a meme, maybe because it's EM4 and so there's only so much upsetness you can get at death

gaunt fiber
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Yeah

bronze viper
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But I think the primary reason is that Beo cuts of so many of superdad's options it's just not stressful

gaunt fiber
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And you have a full mirror

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you can get stupid runs and have fun with random boons

unique zephyr
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Which spear is easiest for 32? Hades?

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Or Achilles?

mossy zinc
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Guan Yu.

bronze viper
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They're all maybe about the same I think depending on hammer

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They all depend on hammer

gaunt fiber
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not at 32

true fable
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achilles imo is the least hammer reliant

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the main upside of cast builds is that you dont require good hammers

unique zephyr
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Is guan yu being easiest a joke or serious?

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I genuinely can’t tell

mossy zinc
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m serious.

bronze viper
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Oh, yeah, fair, I guess you could just bring infernal soul and hedge if you don't get Flurry Jab lmao

true fable
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somewhat serious

solemn pulsar
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hades spear for "safest" 32

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and i mean that unironically

unique zephyr
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GY special is really strong

true fable
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@bronze viper where did you go during your stream yesterday lol

unique zephyr
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What makes hades spear the safest?

solemn pulsar
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big spin

unique zephyr
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Safest is the most important for me probably

solemn pulsar
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no health loss

true fable
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or did you just forget to hit the end stream button

bronze viper
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I forgot to turn off my stream when I went to eat then I got stuck doing other stuff then I slept :3

true fable
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LOL

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i was like

gaunt fiber
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EVERY DAY

mossy zinc
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Guan Yu is one of the best aspects in the game for no-hitting a run, and you can easily take FO0 at 32.

true fable
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ive been sitting at this pause screen

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for 2 hours

bronze viper
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LOL

gaunt fiber
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Baiting me to watch but he's not here

mossy zinc
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Guan Yu can also do 32 mirrorless with no hammers. Not even that difficult.

bronze viper
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I leave the stream on because I'm lazy and don't want to commit sudoku before playing next time.

unique zephyr
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I keep FO2 on all the time lately

true fable
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SAME

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wait

unique zephyr
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It’s been paying off I think

true fable
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i was saying same to astaos

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not to you ledger thats sociopathic

gaunt fiber
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true

bronze viper
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fine fine I'll be better about it lol. I'll probably be working on Zeus aspect tonight

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I thought Eris would take less time but that's definitively not the case

gaunt fiber
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I ain't coming unless you ping

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won't get baited

bronze viper
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lmao

gaunt fiber
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Schad's doing 50 GY rn

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he got heartbreak flourish

bright mango
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Ok so I’ve been trying hestia 50 and have been making it to lernie consistently with shackle

gaunt fiber
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and died somewhere in room 6 or 7

bright mango
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Should I take artemis first?

mossy zinc
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I forgot to turn off my stream once and streamed an online lesson from school, but just the audio. Thankfully I had 0 viewers for the whole duration lol.

bright mango
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Lmao

gaunt fiber
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Lol

bronze viper
bright mango
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Yea

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But hestia is just so smooth

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I love it

bronze viper
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I had audio for one of my meetings playing through a streamed recording lol.

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Probably some kind of breach of confidentiality there.

bright mango
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Lol

true fable
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i raid sometimes and forget to cut

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people just get to watch me play divinity or bloons

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sometimes slay the spire

bright mango
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HOLY CRAP I GOT EPIC DEADLY STRIKE

true fable
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?

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yeah, and?

bright mango
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with ap2

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And ri2

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I’m just happy

true fable
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happens

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congrats

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jobs not finished

bright mango
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I’m gonna die anyway

true fable
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job finished? i dont think so

bright mango
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So it doesn’t really matter

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Now i get punished with spead fire 🙂

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Fun

bronze viper
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Lmao, dem's the breaks

true fable
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punished? sounds like a success story to me

unique zephyr
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So a hammer question: is triple jab a decent spear hammer

wanton plover
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i dont like

unique zephyr
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And also what are the best spear hammers

gaunt fiber
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it's garbage

wanton plover
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flurry

unique zephyr
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Is serrated point worth the downside

wanton plover
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charge explo

bright mango
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Holy crap epic hunters mark

true fable
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yes

wanton plover
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yes very worth

true fable
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flurry >>>>> serrated >>>> else

gaunt fiber
true fable
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unless gy

bright mango
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I feel bad that I’m bad and this luck is going to go to waste

true fable
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then replace flurry with charged skewer

bright mango
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Rip

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I ran into a bp witches room

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Speeder cloners

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In the tiniest room possible

true fable
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thats when spread fire helps imo

bright mango
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True

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But I was dead in two seconds

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I walk in and immediately lose a sd

mossy zinc
bronze viper
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Probably EM3 or Dad

gaunt fiber
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^

mossy zinc
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Yeah.

solemn pulsar
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serrated point = you get hit

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a lot

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due to the time you spend in extended dash strike animation

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and the short dash

gaunt fiber
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you kinda have to keep a dash

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if you want to live

true fable
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you can dash strike later in the dash to stay safe

gaunt fiber
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it's mandatory

true fable
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very helpful in conjunction with like hyper sprint

shy plinth
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Yoooo grats @bronze viper

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You need a new nickname

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I recommend | Beo Wolf

gaunt fiber
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or "Hardcore Beowulf player"

bronze viper
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arooo

true fable
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rama llama has returned

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im down for rama llama

bronze viper
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Lol I took the name down when my PB was on Chiron

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Which is kind of a shameful state of affairs all things considered.

mossy zinc
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Llamwulf. Half llama, half wulf.

bright mango
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Hestia autoaim is bs

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Last lernie head was at like 1 health and it hid behind a pillar until the main head finished me off

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I am so pissed

gaunt fiber
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cast/special squirtyay

bright mango
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I’m dum

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Too late now

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I like artemis start way better than shackle

shy plinth
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At 50?

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Are you ap2ing?

bright mango
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Yup

shy plinth
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Sounds unreliable

bright mango
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As long as i get Hunter dash or deadly strike I’m fine

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God I hate BP witches

bronze viper
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They are the worst, yes

bright mango
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I got my first true shot

gaunt fiber
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whispers in drakons

bright mango
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I’m having flashbacks to astaos stream

bronze viper
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Lmao

gaunt fiber
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who is Astoas

bright mango
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That was autocorrect

wanton plover
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chamber 2 erebus gate witch bp2

bright mango
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Sorry

wanton plover
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feelsokayman

gaunt fiber
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Lmao

gaunt fiber
wanton plover
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lmao

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next time i will

true fable
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im serious

gaunt fiber
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not even kidding

true fable
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you do that

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100%

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do not risk it

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that thing has too much health

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its like over 1k armor iirc

gaunt fiber
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hiding behind pillar better than the average Hestia player

true fable
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you arent doing that kind of dmg early game

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i think it legit has more armor than tart minibosses

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its stupid

bronze viper
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It has like 100 health though lmao

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Meg + slight breeze

mossy zinc
bright mango
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Yes

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I just want a clear

bronze viper
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If I submit the 45, 47 and 50 I think the spreadsheet will list me as a beo main. I don't think I can live that life.

shy plinth
bright mango
shy plinth
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Resetting in tartarus repeatedly erodes my soul

shy plinth
gaunt fiber
bright mango
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Do I sell splash dash and go athena keepsake into asphodel?

true fable
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like how astaos was a hestia main for a week

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no imo pengy

bronze viper
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Lol, I think 56 is mostly just a function of RNG. I just need to do the same thing as my 53 but with TD3.

gaunt fiber
true fable
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for rama ledger?

bronze viper
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Yeah

true fable
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yeah

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seems right

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EM4?

bronze viper
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I'm not Tailesque

unique zephyr
bright mango
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Sure

true fable
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nah

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just play the video game

gaunt fiber
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Don't bother

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Just as Bright says yes

bright mango
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Do I sell splash dash?

unique zephyr
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Ah ok I’ll just pick serrated point when I see it

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And do my best

true fable
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i wouldnt pengy

gaunt fiber
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It's a fine dash Pengy

bright mango
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Ok

gaunt fiber
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I would not on Hestia either

bright mango
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Do i take athena keepsake?

true fable
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sure

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DDs good

bright mango
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Ok yeah

gaunt fiber
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DDs with AP2

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happened to me once

bright mango
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I have so many boons

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I’m so happy

true fable
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heres how i look at it

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if you have an athena core boon you have a low % chance to get a DD

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if you dont then you arent getting a DD

gaunt fiber
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yes

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but you might live longer with acorn/tooth

mossy zinc
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Wretched Sneak has 700 armor and 300 HP.

true fable
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true

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i take tooth/acorn depending on if im feelin antsy

gaunt fiber
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I take them when I'm feeling Guan Yu

bright mango
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I got athena from a mystery boon

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Pog

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Lets go i beat lernie without losing a dd

unique zephyr
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Nice pengy

bright mango
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I’m so dumb

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I forgot to lose a dd and then athena gave me the dd boon

true fable
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pain

mossy zinc
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lol we've all done that.

bright mango
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30 seconds going into the heroes fight

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This is goodbye

mossy zinc
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But there's a flipside to that, too.

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I've revived for DD with RI4.

bright mango
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Oof

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Theseus was at like a 1/8 hp

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Asterius dead

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Timer killed me

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I legitimately feel like I can do this

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I had terrible bp enemies as well

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Sadness

mossy zinc
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Grind your boss fights. You'll feel a lot more comfortable if you grind them a lot.

bright mango
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No the boss fight was easy

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Extremely easy

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It’s the timer

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I took like two hits from asterius

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And a few from LADY APHRODITE

mossy zinc
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That's a lot of precious seconds you lost.

bright mango
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Yeah

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You’re right

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I was playing aggressively because of timer

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I’m gonna chill out with some any heat now

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I’m done with 50 for today

mossy zinc
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Most of the time I try some new record like when I did the first boonless + mirrorless at 32, for example, if I die to Hades it's because I was rushing the fight.

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Because I lacked confidence in making the timer or whatever. Even though I can do the fight with one dash with Hestia half asleep, normally.

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But nerves will get to you.

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And also just exhaustion from your run.

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The last thing you want is lacking practice. Any practice that will help you feel more at ease will help a whole lot.

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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And also, I've made it kind of a ritual to consciously remind myself to take my time and just focus on a clean fight, no matter what the timer is.

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Fact of the matter is, you'll be faster if you focus on playing clean, and you'll take less damage, which gives you more time for TD.

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Trying to sneak in damage when you know you shouldn't tends to not work out most of the time. You'll just trade hits, get stunned, lose DPS getting out of the way of any follow-up hits, etc.

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Or you just get hit out of your attack startup anyway.

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So instead of 200 damage or whatever half a second later, you do 0 damage, get stunned, and lost your chance to attack right there.

steep canyon
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Just out of curiosity does anyone use the bone hourglass in styx to just try to really stack up for the final fight?

bright mango
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Thanks @mossy zinc !!!!

gaunt fiber
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It's really good with some aspects yeah

bright mango
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Also good for speedrunning

gaunt fiber
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Like beowulf with more casts/Cast damage

bright mango
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For casts weapons basically

steep canyon
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Ok so it's usually used intentionally to add a specific item where the well is the only way to get it.

gaunt fiber
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yeah I guess it really shines for cast weapons

bright mango
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When is the Hermès cup happening?

gaunt fiber
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now

bright mango
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K

unique zephyr
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Trying Hestia 40, Approval Process is mean

solar maple
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I equip hourglass for elysium quite often on cast weapons

unique zephyr
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(doing AP1)

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I am not getting screwed over too hard so far

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but it is a bit annoying

solar maple
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then in styx I can buy the stuff from the well, then switch to a damage keepsake like hades keepsake

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AP is very mean yes

sullen minnow
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it's not much, it's not quick. but it's my first 40

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and i'm pleased

unique zephyr
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How much does JS1 hurt on the timer

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I could do JS1 and HS

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instead of AP

sullen minnow
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js1 is entirely doable

solar maple
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JS1 HS is what I said I would do IIRC

sullen minnow
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i did js1 dc2 EM3 TD3 and got 4 sacked

unique zephyr
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yeah which is why I thought of it as alternative

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did you clear?

sullen minnow
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and i beat dad right as the clock expired

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check up there ^^^^

solar maple
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well I've been trying 50

sullen minnow
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Just did!

solar maple
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so no lol

unique zephyr
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Nice clear!

sullen minnow
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oh hell yeah 50 is a different ballgame lol

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js1 just usually isnt a death knell for td3. not that scary for me in general, but im not doing 50 heat lol

solar maple
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JS1 does lose time but it is manageable

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it will be slower especially earlier into the run

unique zephyr
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Ah ok, also turns out I don’t know what boons to put on Hades spear or who to start with

gaunt fiber
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Deadly strike

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it's good with punishing sweep

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Heartbreak strike got me some solid runs too

unique zephyr
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I noticed bablo used zeus on attack

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Is it no longer meta

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I’ll try aphro or arty tho, they seem to be the best dps

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For percent based

solar maple
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zeus attack is probably for DC2

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if you are going DC0 arty is better

gaunt fiber
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Zeus on Hades

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interesting

unique zephyr
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He used DC1

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That explains it

gaunt fiber
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well not really

unique zephyr
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I’m definitely doing DC0 for my 32

gaunt fiber
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because you can mini spin to strip the hearts

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I would not go zeus and waste punishing sweep

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especially if I don't have access to flurry jab

unique zephyr
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I’m not sure which dc it was

gaunt fiber
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Not saying it won't work

unique zephyr
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But he did have damage control

gaunt fiber
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it will

unique zephyr
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So it did well more so because it was bablo then?

gaunt fiber
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not really

unique zephyr
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Then zeus being good on attack?

gaunt fiber
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Zeus attack is decent on spear

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you have range, aoe

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jolted is really good too

solar maple
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zeus is fine yeah

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my 40 heat hades spear was with athena attack actually

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hades spear can make do without much in the way of damage boons

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it just doesn't scale very well with them

gaunt fiber
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yeah

mossy zinc
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Jolted either does barely anything at all in an encounter or just as much and sometimes more than your Lightning Strike.

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In my experience.

gaunt fiber
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I feel the difference

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But I never use Zeus as my primary source of damage

solar maple
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I might to do a few beo runs with the dps meter

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to see how crazy I am about snow burst

gaunt fiber
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btw I got support fire with beo

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it's pog

mossy zinc
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You definitely notice the difference in general, just not in every encounter.

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It does a lot in boss fights.

solar maple
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support fire is like a way worse snow burst

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so still pretty decent

gaunt fiber
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I had both

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:D

unique zephyr
solar maple
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hades spear has low base damage

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but gets a very large +% bonus from its aspect ability

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so getting more +% does relatively little

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crit does work reasonably though

sullen minnow
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what would be your pick for attack at that point?

solar maple
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arty attack is highest dps

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I actually started athena dash in my 40 heat run iirc

sullen minnow
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zeus or ares outside of arty attack i take it?

mossy zinc
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Hmmm.

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Best DPS is probably ME. dusa

gaunt fiber
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^

solar maple
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yeah the speedrun build is ME

sullen minnow
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lol

gaunt fiber
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That's sad

sullen minnow
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it always comes back to ME

gaunt fiber
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unfortunately the few respectable aspects in this game shine with ME

unique zephyr
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Apart from ME though?

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Say I’m not high rolling

gaunt fiber
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I'd go for deadly strike and some t2 boons

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prolly heart rend if I could but passion dash is riskier than divine dash

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Explosive launcher is a very good hammer and Serrated point will help too

solar maple
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let me see if I can find my clear

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I just stacked athena core boons lol

gaunt fiber
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I think you're not getting carried by your build with Hades

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you have to play the spear

fierce rivet
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hades on max extreme measures ||uh he came back for an unexpected third round and kicked my a$$. someone tell me how many more rounds he will stick around so that i can prepare please.||

solar maple
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3 is it

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it's a tough fight

gaunt fiber
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Says the beo dude

mossy zinc
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Nice to see both ME Demeter Aspect runs in the Hermes Cup right now are slower than my non-ME. squirtnya

fierce rivet
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during the battle ||ceburus coming out to play was mighty cool||

gaunt fiber
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what was the igt?

mossy zinc
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9:something and 10:something, I think.

gaunt fiber
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The race is so fun

bright mango
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Yeah

shy gulch
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well yeah not every ME run is gonna be fast

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the nature of ME

bright mango
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Rip bablo

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3 sack tiny vermin

shy gulch
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its a forced 3 sack

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the TV was unfort tho

bright mango
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Yeah

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But the fact that shiitake pulled off spread fire on eris

shy gulch
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purple rush certainly carries things

bright mango
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Yeah lol

gaunt fiber
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Vermin was still super fast

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as fast as any miniboss

bright mango
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Yeah

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It melted

shy gulch
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it will always lose you time in RTA

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because of cutscenes

bright mango
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True

gaunt fiber
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yeah

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but it's not like

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A high heat vermin or anything

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with Eris it's gonna melt

shy gulch
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well like sure

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no question

bright mango
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Everything will melt with erissquirtyay

gaunt fiber
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it's almost almost acceptable

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I'd say

mossy zinc
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Nice to see both Eris runs are slower than my non-ME Demeter Aspect. squirtdevious

shy gulch
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what was ur time

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i think i did zap fists for a while until i started pushing sub 8

mossy zinc
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8:51.

shy gulch
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oh that was around my zap fists time too lol

mossy zinc
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Would be top 2 non-ME Demeter Aspect. Not that I recorded.

bright mango
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My fastest wep is achilles

shy gulch
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achilles is p fast

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i dont know or wnat to know how to actually play the spear tho so i just reset for flurry jab lol

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flurry jab is a totally different weapon than the spear

gaunt fiber
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speedrunning be like that

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hope for good rooms

bright mango
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Almost got a sub 8 today with it but got 3 sacked

gaunt fiber
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good hammers

bright mango
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So 😦

shy gulch
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id do that at high heat too

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screw the spear

bronze viper
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Whoah, did bablo lose?

shy gulch
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yeah

gaunt fiber
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Yeah

bronze viper
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Gee whiz

gaunt fiber
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It was an amazing run

bright mango
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yeah

bronze viper
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I'll have to go back and watch that

bright mango
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It was pretty close at the end as well

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Shiitake pulled off a spread fire eris run

bronze viper
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Geeez

gaunt fiber
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but in the end it was luck so

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Even with the 3 sack mod

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room rng is so huge

shy gulch
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oh for sure

gaunt fiber
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this is a bit sad

bright mango
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Bablo got a pretty decent chamber 34

shy gulch
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sack is notorious but obviously therse a lot of rng scattered through the rest of the run

gaunt fiber
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I mean both runners played well not trying to diss

solar maple
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that dem fist run is what killed bablo

gaunt fiber
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Yeah

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He was so unlucky man

solar maple
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it was barge + than + 0 free rooms + missed aspho midshop iirc

bright mango
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I really only watched the last run

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I didnt know it was happening

gaunt fiber
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Like ME was here but that's it

shy gulch
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oh yeah he did miss aspho midshop didnt he

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rough

solar maple
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yeah crazy build

shy gulch
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that was a ridiculous asphodel then

solar maple
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but it doesn't matter with worst possible room rng

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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It was close enough that he could have made up for it in those three runs.

solar maple
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yeah he still had a chance

bronze viper
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Lmao, bablo is amazing. Casually mentions his 7min Chaos run like he's disappointed with it.

solar maple
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but that is essentially the worst room rng you can possibly get

gaunt fiber
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I don't think I'll be back in any heat

solar maple
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yeah he wanted sub 7 chaos pretty badly I think

gaunt fiber
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I'd rather die because I misjudge a spearman range

solar maple
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so he is kind of disappointed by 7:06 lol

shy gulch
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wait wasnt it 7:01

bright mango
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I just do any heat if I'm frustrated in my high heat runs

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Just to cool off

shy gulch
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well regardless

solar maple
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oh maybe

shy gulch
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ridiculous time

solar maple
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but either way

shy gulch
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so close to sub 7

bright mango
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wtf a 7:01 with chaos shield

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Bablo is a god

mossy zinc
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@bronze viper so you didn't end up going with Llamwulf, huh?

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I don't understand.

bronze viper
#

Lol, no, no Llamwulf here. Maybe if I decide to push Beo more, and I might, it was fun

mossy zinc
#

Bera Llamwulf.

solar maple
#

might have to push my wr higher to keep it safe 👀

gaunt fiber
#

Beo is fun for sure

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but it's like a different game

solar maple
#

beo can do 56 for sure

bronze viper
#

54? Big oof. I can theorycraft 51 and 52 but that's about it.

gaunt fiber
#

just get lucky

solar maple
#

at 54 you have to take RI

mossy zinc
#

It can do any Heat. Just get 3 Grasps in Tartarus.

gaunt fiber
#

3 free heat from a certain pact

bronze viper
#

Lol my soul isn't ready for Shackle Beo

solar maple
#

I was thinking about trying to route max heat beo

mossy zinc
#

And then a few Shots and Strikes after that.

solar maple
#

AP2 is harder than RI2 for beo imo

mossy zinc
#

I agree.

solar maple
#

AP2 is 58 heat zone

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I've tried it at 58. Very rough

gaunt fiber
#

I definitely noticed the difference of power you get from AP1/2 yeah

solar maple
#

AP2 makes it much less likely that you get a high level cast

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and removes chances at snow burst which is the main backup to high level cast

bright mango
#

Pseudo whats the beo record?

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You have it right?

bronze viper
#

His, 54

bright mango
#

pogs

solar maple
#

add that on to not being able to take chaos which is absolutely terrible with beo

bright mango
#

Thats cool

mossy zinc
#

You can make a lot of casts work, but you just get like none of their synergies that can make them work.

bright mango
#

i think for ap2 you would have to take aphro cast

shy gulch
#

nyaanyaa talking about using beowulf with a cast??

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no way

gaunt fiber
#

I know everyone likes flood flare

solar maple
#

half of the casts are viable

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the problem with AP2 is not getting a good cast

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it's all the other stuff

gaunt fiber
#

but I had to pivot with Aphrodite because Poseidon is mean

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And I still have a good feeling with her cast

solar maple
#

pos/aphro/arty/athena can all do high heat

shy gulch
#

clearly demeter cast is the best

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big aoe!

solar maple
#

😦

shy gulch
#

:D

solar maple
#

tbh dem cast isn't that bad on AP2

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because the main problem with it is that it has terrible pom scaling

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but on AP2 you don't get poms anyway lol

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it's still very bad though

gaunt fiber
#

does it just drop demeter cast on the ground?

solar maple
#

no it makes an aoe

gaunt fiber
#

oh nice

solar maple
#

but it has a delay for some reason

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so it is very awkward to use

gaunt fiber
#

Zeus has a delay too?

true fable
#

and gets 12 damage on first pom

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LOL

gaunt fiber
#

I did not like it lol

true fable
#

literally 12 damage

solar maple
#

and has 1/3 of the pom scaling of other casts

true fable
#

dem cast suuuuucks

gaunt fiber
#

ok ok

solar maple
#

ares cast also has stinky pom scalinng

mossy zinc
#

@shy gulch what? I was grinding 56 with Beowulf before most of the Beowulf mains now probably even had the game installed lol. I know Casts on Beowulf. You weren't getting through DC2 + everything else except RI4 with just Charged Throw, no matter how good it was.

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Cast was pretty important even with RI3.

shy gulch
#

lol i didnt mean anything by it, just messing around

gaunt fiber
#

** W H A T**

shy gulch
#

also was it called charged throw back then

solar maple
#

yeah I think 56 is very doable

shy gulch
#

i didnt reallyr aelize how many of the names were slightly diff

daring hedge
#

i think it was always charged flight

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, Charged Flight.

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It's 1:39 AM here lol.

shy gulch
#

yeah thats fair lmao

solemn pulsar
#

Bablo time zone

daring hedge
#

we all called it charged throw tbh lol

tidal flame
#

Charged Flight?
What is this, 2020?

shy gulch
#

its ok, remembering vocabulary must be difficult as boomers

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i understand

solemn pulsar
#

It’s the YEeet Yeet to me

solar maple
#

I was thinking about making a high heat beo route

mossy zinc
#

Nah, we remember vocabulary.

daring hedge
#

murder death kill update oldster confirmed

mossy zinc
#

@daring hedge so, which Wrath do you think is best?

daring hedge
#

lol

solar maple
#

I got the game on steam release

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so not a complete hades boomer but I've been playing for a while

shy gulch
#

i am but a mere babe

gaunt fiber
#

no

solemn pulsar
#

I like ZeusShoutTrait.

gaunt fiber
#

you are a baby pseudo

shy gulch
#

a child

gaunt fiber
#

accept it

shy gulch
#

tbh in this channel

solemn pulsar
#

I’m cool so I only reference code level names@of things

daring hedge
#

i was a fan of Barbs of the Master Huntress but then it lost the cool name and all that was left was a mostly underwhelming call

shy gulch
#

if u werent playin EA ur a baby

solar maple
#

steam release is EA

shy gulch
#

wait is that really what arty call was back then

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wraths

solar maple
#

just not epic games EA

shy gulch
#

and barbs of the master huntress

tidal flame
#

apparently

daring hedge
#

yes that was arty call name it ruled

shy gulch
#

dude thats fire LMFAO

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why was that ever changed

tidal flame
#

what a fall from grace

solemn pulsar
#

I like PoseidonRangedShieldLoadAmmoTrait on Beowulf

daring hedge
#

like the distinct call names added a certain gravitas to them that i loved

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but rip

shy gulch
#

b a r b s

bright mango
shy gulch
#

artemis aid feels so lacking compared to that

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now

bright mango
#

Like what they used in coding

solemn pulsar
#

Oh you mean ArtemisShoutTrait? (ArtemisShoutTrait is Artemis aid btw, I call boons by their real names bc were tight like that but it’s nbd lol)

mossy zinc
#

Hey, guys.

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Guys.

bright mango
#

Wut

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Huh

daring hedge
#

shouttrait lol

bright mango
#

Huh

#

Huh

mossy zinc
#

How do I beat the UnstableGenerator?

daring hedge
#

just like the call icon

#

zagreus screaming

shy gulch
#

you uninstall the game

solemn pulsar
daring hedge
#

unstablegenerator always ending my runs smh

mossy zinc
#

What do I do about Bruiser Healing Brimstones?

solemn pulsar
#

That’s just normal words

daring hedge
#

bring back old bruiser snakestones with one billion hp

solemn pulsar
#

Join the pink snake stone hate club here:

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Or whatever tf color it is

mossy zinc
daring hedge
#

there's no risk they know what it's like there e.g. actually kinda normal but with some questionable advice here and there

eternal hare
#

just power shot!

shy plinth
#

Did anyone in here have strong opinions on Final Round

daring hedge
#

i didn't play rail nearly enough

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i don't know if i ever even used that hammer

shy gulch
#

there's too much boomer energy here

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i must escape

gaunt fiber
#

^

bright mango
#

Oh god i got this game in January

#

This is scary

daring hedge
#

croven i'm teaching you about cool call names that no longer exist

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be grateful

shy gulch
#

thats true

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barbs of the master huntress is amazing

mossy zinc
#

I do think if Bruiser and FO were unnerfed, there'd be noticeably fewer high heat clears.

shy plinth
#

What was original FO

mossy zinc
#

Original FO2 was actually what it said, but they fine-tuned a lot of attacks based on our feedback to give them a minimum startup.

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So now it's not actually always +40% attack speed.

shy gulch
#

oh interesting

eternal hare
#

were a lot more things completely unreactable earlier on?

shy gulch
#

i guess that makes sense

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im surprised we werent told to simply get good

mossy zinc
#

Pretty much or far too difficult to react to consistently.

shy plinth
#

I'm guessing brightswords and spearmen just ended runs

gaunt fiber
#

good thing they don't anymore :)

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:)

shy gulch
#

:)

mossy zinc
#

And there wasn't a single day without some high heat player complaining about Bruiser lol.

daring hedge
#

i mean compared to strongbows and greatshields

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they almost don't

gaunt fiber
#

true

shy plinth
#

Yeah I mean I wasn't playing back then but I imagine instant popping of defiances or instant death were a very real thing

mossy zinc
#

Inferno-Bombers with melee were just lol.

shy plinth
#

Oh gross

unique zephyr
#

40 heat Hestia going much more smoothly with JS1 + HS than AP1

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Thanks pseudo for part adjustment suggestion

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I actually made it to Elysium so far

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Unlike with AP1 dying to Lernie

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JS1 really isn’t bad so far

#

Time wise

#

I’m scared of dad pots if I make it that far this run

eternal hare
#

sure footing!

sullen minnow
#

if you're not on em4 dad pots shouldnt be horrrrrrrrible. You'll just have to be very cautious around them

mossy zinc
#

Don't be. You can't get more mobility than you have with Hestia. Just be careful not to dash mindlessly, you can just maneuver around traps.

shy plinth
#

Don't fear the pots, respect the pots

mossy zinc
#

You can also shoot urns easily if you want some breathing room.

shy gulch
#

special can also get rid of urns p safely

mossy zinc
#

But I just let dad take care of a small area tbh then play within the area he cleared for me.

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His spin destroys urns. He can also take damage doing that.

bright mango
#

Tbh

#

But if JS and HS are working then take them

dire steppe
#

does puller exist

bright mango
#

Wat

dire steppe
#

is it real

bronze viper
#

Yes lol

dire steppe
#

i have never experienced gravity

shy plinth
#

I believe you can't walk out of it and have to dash out?

bright mango
shy plinth
#

But if you're spamming dash anyway it seems like not a real thing

unique zephyr
#

I feel like Hestia only needs a good attack boon

bright mango
#

Exactly

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So you can take ap1

#

Keep in mind you don’t have to

shy gulch
#

yeah hestia is one of the few aspects id consider AP1 on for 40 heat

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because it needs so little

#

though if you're fine w JS and HS, def do that instead, AP is still just needless inconsistency if you can do other pacts instead

bright mango
#

^^^

mossy zinc
bronze viper
#

Lol... that was rough. The free rooms. Oof

shy gulch
#

ananke good at video game

bronze viper
#

I was watching the bablo one. I'll watch the ananke one later

shy gulch
#

ohh i see

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yeah that one was just

#

rough

#

the life of being a hades speedrunner

bronze viper
#

I have been playing this game for like 700 hours and I don't think I've gotten a 31-34 Elysium skip

shy gulch
#

i got it...when i was doing a 40 heat GY attempt

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was like pat into fountain into than

#

still died to heroes LUL

bronze viper
#

lmao

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Yeah it's possible I could have gotten one before I knew what to even look for

shy gulch
#

its pretty funny getting the room luck when you're not speedrunning

unique zephyr
#

Got to Theseus and Asterius in Hestia 40 attempt, then died, still the furthest I've gotten on 40 heat so I don't feel bad

#

I'll try taking acorn next time

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since I didn't lose skelly tooth till that fight

mossy zinc
#

9:12. Boo. squirtooh

unique zephyr
#

Got 2 Athena DDs in Asphodel this time, blessed run so far, beat Lernie without losing any of them top

mossy zinc
#

9:03. shadedisgruntled

bright mango
#

Gods legacydusa

mossy zinc
#

God's Legacy is good.

shy gulch
#

mom pom gaming

mossy zinc
#

Pom Blossom is good.

#

Especially for Lady Aphrodite and Lord Zeus.

unique zephyr
#

JUST BEAT 40 HEAT!!!

#

Closest Hades fight EVER, I was ticking down to timer

#

Hestia is bestia!

#

My heart is still racing a bit

#

I can't believe how much I've improved

#

This is my best video game accomplishment ever

#

@mossy zinc You were right, Eternal Rose is a great starting keepsake

edgy arrow
#

congratulations Bacchus!

mossy zinc
#

Congratulations! dusa

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10:01. Hrm. shadedisgruntled

unique zephyr
#

@hoary bramble I beat 40 heat Hestia, you asked about it when I came to your stream the other day

#

A lot of things went right for this 40 heat clear, people who streak 40 heat or do it often are amazing

mossy zinc
#

Schadenfreudic is no longer in this server. You got the wrong person, pretty sure. squirtnya

solar maple
#

he's gone

unique zephyr
#

Oh that’s sad

#

I want to get to the point where I can do 40 more consistently but before that 32 for the other 4 weapons

#

I know some areas where I can greatly tighten execution though

#

But I had 2 Athena DDs and 2 sack and still almost lost, but I’m happy

#

I forgot to use special a lot for example

#

But yeah, hestia is very bestia

#

I also now realise how amazing hyper sprint is especially vs asterius hope I’m not talking too much, I’m just so excited and proud

#

And don’t have many people to share this with

eternal hare
#

great job!

#

the consistency will definitely come with time as long as you're willing to keep running at that heat

dire steppe
#

tbh was sad to see theres no special dialogue for beating hades on 64 heat

shy plinth
#

Grats @unique zephyr

unique zephyr
unique zephyr
#

But I am eager to improve and do this more

#

I’ll 32 heat the other 4 weapons first though

dire steppe
#

we need a voiceline containing the word baj

unique zephyr
#

I think the highest fun heat for me will be whatever heat I can avoid AP on

#

The idea of routine inspection scares me but I want to pull off mirrorless runs sometime

#

Who here has done mirrorless?

shy gulch
#

mirrorless hestia is gaming

wintry berry
#

I've done Guan Yu mirrorless at 20 heat

shy gulch
#

u just click shoot and thinfs die anyways

wintry berry
#

I tried 32 heat mirrorless Arthur, but I died bc I wasn't focused

bronze viper
# unique zephyr <@!311477984886521856> You were right, Eternal Rose is a great starting keepsake

Though I'd definitely advise caution from taking her blind devotion to Aphrodite as genuine advice all the time, it actually is fine in this situation. The main advantage Aphro has over Artemis at 40 is access to Smoldering Air, which is ridiculously strong on Hestia, which otherwise struggles to build call charge with its slow attack speed and lack of tendency to get hit.

Otherwise, Artemis will just scale a lot harder in general.

unique zephyr
#

With FO2 and HL5 I needed protection

#

I was kind of joking about taking her word but I did decide on aphro because of weak

bronze viper
#

You could still put Weak on the special with Deadly Strike

unique zephyr
#

Good to know I shouldn’t take it as genuine advice

#

All the time

#

I have trouble telling sometimes

#

Especially with her

bronze viper
#

Lol, in her defense, Aphro attack/special boons are kind of absurd in general and it's kind of hard to go wrong but yeah.

#

You should be using your special at the very least once every 4 seconds anyway so it's pretty easy to keep Weak up on your primary targets with Heartbreak Flourish on Hestia. It also sets up into Heart Rend

mossy zinc
#

I've done all weapons but shield at 32.

unique zephyr
mossy zinc
#

Mirrorless.

unique zephyr
#

Even after getting hazard bomb

#

😮

mossy zinc
#

@bronze viper heresy.

bronze viper
#

Lmao

mossy zinc
#

Lady Aphrodite's boons are the best boons in the game.

edgy arrow
#

what about bouldy boons tho

bronze viper
#

I had Ambiguity on my Beo 50 clear. If p -> q

edgy arrow
#

aphrodite is not powerful enough to grant +2% ambiguity

mossy zinc
#

Why use your brain for Specials when click boom does the job.

bronze viper
#

It's pretty easy to ignore it lol, unless you get like Rocket Bomb or something

edgy arrow
#

hestia’s special is reload prove me wrong

bronze viper
#

Aiming, what is this, Call of Duty?

mossy zinc
#

I don't aim in Call of Duty, either.

#

According to my stats.

#

12:29. m doing worse every run now lol.

bronze viper
#

Is there an interaction with Swift Flourish and Zeus aspect special?

wind bough
#

i just died at hades during 32 heat

#

I was gonna be able to do it but

#

7 minutes tight deadline sorta screwed me

#

i wouldnt have the time for the second phase alone and i had em4

edgy arrow
#

just don’t do EM4 at 32

#

it’s completely unnecessary and very hard with other pacts enabled

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, I wouldn't take EM4 if you just want to clear 32.

mossy zinc
#

9:28. Hrm.

solar maple
unique zephyr
#

I wouldn’t even take EM4 at 40 to be honest

unique zephyr
#

1 cast beo sounds rough

solar maple
#

yeah I got +1 cast from chaos

#

which made it doable

#

beo is not a good mirrorless weapo

#

I just wanted to prove that it was possible

edgy arrow
#

i’ve been too scared to try 40 (i’ll do it someday) but mirrorless beo at 32 was actually fun

solar maple
#

I had been trying some mirrorless 50 before lol

edgy arrow
#

lmao

solar maple
#

that did not go well

edgy arrow
#

you are an inspiration to us all

solar maple
#

I think my best run died to lernie

edgy arrow
#

isn’t the mirrorless record still 50?

#

hestia/rama

solar maple
#

though I might have been able to beat em4 on my mirrorless 40 run

#

I had a pretty reasonable build

#

so 45 could be possible

edgy arrow
#

shackle beo shackle beo

solar maple
#

on mirrorless? no

edgy arrow
#

at that heat tho

#

wait i guess you can drop AP and stuff

solar maple
#

at 50 I started shackle

edgy arrow
#

nvm lmao i briefly forgot RI4 is 8 extra heat somehow

solar maple
#

you do lose a bit of that from needing to avoid LC

edgy arrow
#

oh true

#

still +4 heat means no CF/AP

#

which is pretty huge

solar maple
#

yeah I was running CF0 at 50

#

LC1 iirc

edgy arrow
#

oh at 50 you’d prolly still need AP yeah

solar maple
#

yep

#

at 45 you do AP0 though

edgy arrow
#

for sure

#

ofc the boons are worth less since mirage shot is ehhh lol

#

unless you get extra casts

#

which i guess is the play

#

you had an extra cast at 40 iirc?

solar maple
#

AP0 makes +cast more likely

#

yeah I had 2 casts

edgy arrow
#

true

#

no AP chaos gates actually good

solar maple
#

you need at least 2 casts to fight em4 I think

edgy arrow
#

i’d believe that

#

TD3 and all

solar maple
#

I always take chaos even with AP1 at high heat

#

unless I am skipping a very good room

edgy arrow
#

i barely cleared TD3 at 32 mirrorless lol

bronze viper
#

I don't think my branium is developed enough to play Zoos

edgy arrow
#

i was in overtime when i killed hades

edgy arrow
solar maple
#

doing zoos 50 rama?

edgy arrow
#

it’s just often the curse is more impactful than the benefit

bronze viper
#

Zoospect 45 atm

solar maple
#

I really believe in the RI3 pact

unique zephyr
#

Which aspect relies least on mirror?

#

Or which is easiest mirrorless aspect rather

edgy arrow
#

time save either way tho so it’s worth it ofc

solar maple
#

zeus relies on mirror the least

#

or maybe GY

#

zeus needs dashes the least

#

and GY can heal

#

which is good with no SD

edgy arrow
#

GY can run RI4 LC4

#

which is a pretty good flex

#

but on the other hand, it’s GY

solar maple
#

so can zeus

edgy arrow
#

if you’re Baj lol

bronze viper
#

Lol, Zeus is a shield and doesn't start at 25 health

#

So...

solar maple
#

really though zeus shield is the best mirrorless aspect IMO

edgy arrow
#

i think chaos is easier for low heat stuff

#

but yeah zeus is prolly better

unique zephyr
#

What pacts do you try to avoid mirrorless? I heard Lasting consequences mentioned (I assume anything above 1, maybe 2?) and approval process

#

What else?

bronze viper
#

Lmao no one arguing Chaos is easier than Zeus, that's for sure

edgy arrow
#

yeah lol most things are easier than zeus

solar maple
#

zeus is quite tricky

edgy arrow
solar maple
#

I would say CF gets harder yeah because you want to buy lots of healing

edgy arrow
#

oh yeah buying healing

unique zephyr
#

My next potential project is mirrorless heat runs. First though my goal is 32 for all weapons, I won’t do 40 again for a whole even though it was fun

edgy arrow
#

man been a while since i tried a mirrorless run lol

solar maple
#

though just like heat the easiest weapon is the one you are best at

#

if I was doing high heat mirrorless I would probably do best with beo

#

even though mirrorless beo sucks

unique zephyr
#

Which aspects are hurt most by mirrorless?

edgy arrow
#

yeah you like hestia iirc, and it handles mirrorless pretty well

solar maple
#

beo lol

edgy arrow
#

^

#

and other cast aspects

solar maple
#

sword with 1 dash is trash

unique zephyr
#

Hestia is my most competent weapon yeah

#

First though I want to do 32 for the other 4 weapons

#

So far I have rail and bow

#

Not sure which weapon to try to 32 next, maybe spear

#

Or fists

solar maple
#

rail and bow are the only weapons where I don't have a high heat clear lol

edgy arrow
#

that’s because you refuse to try them below 50 lmao

solar maple
#

true

mossy zinc
#

Excalibur RI4 is kinda free.

mossy zinc
north dove
solar maple
#

mirrorless pacts look very similar to DD pacts, but you don't get the DDs (or dashes/casts)

honest kernel
#

Not worth going for, really

bronze viper
#

😦

honest kernel
#

You'd think it would be good with Explosive Return

#

But to spam as much as it allows you to, you need to stay still

#

And that's no good in this game

bronze viper
#

I was hoping for 30% faster hit speed on the shield too

honest kernel
#

if only

bronze viper
#

BOOOO. Got Chaos 50 to EM4 phase 3 and died

#

Good god the damage on this weapon is... indescribable

#

Can numbers be so small?

shy plinth
#

How can you describe that which does not exist

north dove
#

speaking of small numbers, I tried running an RI2 TD2 setup for 56 heat and I still managed to time out on dad after a 8 min fight ron

#

zag sword damage just isn't there

bronze viper
#

I allotted 7 minutes for Dad. Called it about right if I didn't die lmao

solar maple
#

8 min fight

unique zephyr
#

Or do you do no forced overtime?

edgy arrow
#

its honestly really easy to run FO0 for mirrorless 32

#

higher than that idk

true fable
#

cannot be arsed to fight EM4 dad with that level of damage

unique zephyr
#

But I need to do 32 normal for all weapons first though

solar maple
#

yeah low FO is good because of 1 dash

unique zephyr
#

Did you run FO1 for mirrorless 40 or no

solar maple
#

hard to keep distance with FO2 with something like hestia

#

I did FO2

#

because I don't need to keep distance

#

I have a shield

unique zephyr
#

Ah makes sense

#

I hope it won’t take me too long to readjust forced overtime lol

#

Probably just a few runs

#

Once I decide to do mirrorless

waxen relic
#

One thing that makes Mirrorless easier is taking the Hourglass in Aspho/Ely and buying healing items (and others)

#

Therefore less CF

bronze viper
true fable
#

twas fine

#

i just reset for curse of pain

#

TD2 is also a lot of time

solar maple
#

I was just doing TD3 AP1

#

timer was usually not what killed me

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I was doing my zeus shield pact (CP0 JS1 RI3)

bronze viper
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I'm doing the standard Beo RI0 EM4 package but with DC2

solar maple
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wait were you doing td2?

bronze viper
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For sure

solar maple
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so td2 RI0 AP1 all maxed hell mode

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hmmm

bronze viper
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yeah

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I'm not really running into issues, the attempts are just taking so long because Chaos lol

solar maple
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getting a real build on 50 heat td2

bronze viper
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Iirc Retrash did Drunken Flourish at 52 but I can't think in the like 8D Chess he uses to plan runs lol

true fable
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oh pseudo did you do 50 heat chaos

solar maple
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no

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I tried lol

true fable
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drunken flourish good

solar maple
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agreed

true fable
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i think drunken/curse of pain/zeus are the ways to go

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theyre all quite good

solar maple
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I'll give it some more attempts tomorow

bronze viper
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I'm high rolling Zeus

solar maple
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also I set my stream up to be moderately less scuffed so I might try that at some point

bronze viper
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But yeah, I haven't run into issues at all, this plays very smoothly, just like molasses though

solar maple
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if any of you want to watch 3fps desynched audio lol

bronze viper
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Lol

north dove
shy plinth
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wat

north dove
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you heard me right

shy plinth
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Is that zeus special

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The ol dash nova thunder flourish

north dove
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yeah

bronze viper
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As I said, 8D Chess

shy plinth
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We call that the slap and zap

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(Nobody calls it that)

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Retrash I don't know why every time you post a victory screen I feel compelled to look at it like it's ever gonna make sense

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But grats on the 50 lol

shy gulch
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retrash what the heck

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LOL

north dove
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that being said, 56 heat project is going on indefinite hiatus

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not enough damage 😦