#h1-high-heat-strategies

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mossy zinc
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It's pretty bland tbh lol.

edgy arrow
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yeah and that

mossy zinc
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The WR is 32. 👸🏽

solar maple
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alright I'll submit this as victory screen only

edgy arrow
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i did 8 heat boonless mirrorless for the lolz once and the experience didn't particularly excite me

mossy zinc
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Tbf Hestia with- or without boons and mirror plays just the same.

edgy arrow
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lol

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kinda true

solar maple
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I took hourglass into elysium which was fun

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for eye of lamia + extra cast

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which was fantastic

mossy zinc
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Nice.

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I like Hourglass for Elysium a lot.

solar maple
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eye is just such good sustain

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and I got to use bouldy 🙂

mossy zinc
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Bouldy is really good until LC.

solar maple
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yeah the healing was very nice

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saved me in at least a few fights

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and the +gold is also helpful

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I think I would have died in both lernie and vermin fights without bouldy

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and maybe heroes

mossy zinc
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The Darkness and Obols can also help with boss fights because they're impenetrable objects.

solar maple
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honestly I've thought about running bouldy in any heat, just for the gold haha

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not worth it in the end sadly 😦

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1k damage + a cast volley is often enough to phase things you would summon on anyway, but the upside is too small to justify it

mossy zinc
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Hmmm. I'd be 35th for Demeter Aspect any heat. That's not too bad considering probably all 34 before me are ME builds.

solar maple
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there might be a couple ZAP/ZAA

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that's another pretty popular build, though less so for any heat

mossy zinc
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Yeah, maybe one or two of those.

solar maple
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sub 9 is quite good! that's around the speed of my demeter pb I think

mossy zinc
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m relieved my best time is no longer with Zag Spear.

solar maple
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haha yeah that's good

mossy zinc
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I want to be able to go back to calling Zag Spear the worst aspect.

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Although, Nemesis is pretty bad, too, to be fair.

solar maple
mossy zinc
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RI3 Beowulf is still a better aspect than Nemesis.

solar maple
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honestly beo isn't that bad with high RI -- It handles losing the dash very well, and still has very safe boss fights

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you do lose half your damage though

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so that kind of sucks

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(it's pretty bad)

mossy zinc
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But not as bad as Nemesis.

true fable
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i think robins the only one who ran zap hard for anyheat

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but they had a sub 8

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think it's the only sub 8 non ME fists

honest kernel
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did nemesis get nerfed lol

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i remember it being good

mossy zinc
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Well, bow and spear got buffs at 1.0 release.

honest kernel
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so it just fell off then?

solemn pulsar
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Nemesis is great

mossy zinc
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"Great" is quite an exaggeration.

solemn pulsar
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It depends on the context

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At low heat? Very fast, lots of damage

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At high heat? Very dangerous look out

gaunt fiber
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Any heat is painfully slow without dedge

mossy zinc
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The damage is pitiful.

gaunt fiber
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I can't imagine at high heat

solemn pulsar
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Nah just run ME LOL

mossy zinc
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ME does the damage, yes, not Nemesis.

solemn pulsar
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Nemesis is also high on the cool looks tier list

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And when you special zag gets a lil sparkle in his eye

mossy zinc
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I really wish it was better because it's kind of fun to play, but Dash-Strike is its only real source of damage, and the base damage and AOE of that is not very good, either.

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I'd say it needs Double Edge to be on par with Demeter Aspect without hammers.

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So, I got 3rd place non-ME Demeter Aspect and 5th place non-ME Malphon. That's not too bad.

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Not that I recorded.

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Oh nevermind, this one was ME, too.

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2nd place non-ME Demeter, 4th place non-ME Malphon.

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7:45 Robin_Tk - Demeter
8:12 RonnieDaBear - Talos
8:46 eappleton1 - Talos

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And 8:51 would be me.

solemn pulsar
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Some people were popping some great non ME talos times today since it’s aspect of the week, but I imagine they won’t get submitted

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And as we always say

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If it’s not on the leaderboard, it doesn’t count

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Gz on the PB. Zeus fists are really fun when they come together

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Epic attack speed always fun on fists

honest kernel
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I see

mossy zinc
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I just take Heartbreak Flourish and then go with whatever I get on Attack that's good.

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Missed sub 11 with Nemesis by 2 seconds. Lame.

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@daring hedge chamber 1 Triple Shot or Perfect Shot for DPS? I would think Triple Shot.

gaunt fiber
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Charged skewer

solemn pulsar
mossy zinc
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You're no Star Fox. What do you know about the Celestial Sharanga. dusa

solemn pulsar
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3x multiplicative damage good

bright mango
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Can phalanx shot backstab from anywhere?

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It looks like it can

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Like if you're facing the enemy and fire the cast it looks like it backstabs

honest kernel
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Cgull gave me savestates for the 64 heat route

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Expect some results soon-ish

solemn pulsar
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pog

vital grove
bright mango
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ok

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thx

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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FO2 would have been 10s less shadesmile

mossy zinc
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Probably not.

bright mango
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Probablydusa

shy plinth
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You built your own mirror

solar maple
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realistically you are still correct. When pushing heat beo can't take RI3

shy plinth
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But for the memes, you destroyed me with the callback

solemn pulsar
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Baj just cleared the 64 heat route with the routing mods on 👀 shouldn’t be long before a mod less run

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He no-hit EM4 phase 2 and 3. This build is schnasty

honest kernel
gaunt fiber
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100% darkness free

honest kernel
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Best title

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lol

solemn pulsar
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without adding bball/sneak

honest kernel
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Either way

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nothing I can't deal with

bright mango
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Did you just route and beat 64?

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Wow

lusty mirage
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done with mods and save states at this point

honest kernel
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Save states because I went offroute a lot. Also because I didn't wait for Cgull's instructions

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Speedrunner lizard brain syndrome is real

solemn pulsar
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😠 bad runner

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but yeah he only savestated for route stuff not for damage

honest kernel
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I wasn't even playing the safest either

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Outside of like Lernie

round pilot
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Is there a full list of changes for EM4?

honest kernel
# round pilot Is there a full list of changes for EM4?

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades Check the Extreme Measures section

Hades Wiki
Hades

Hades is the god of the Underworld and of the mineral riches of the earth, the lord and master of the House of Hades, and the father of Zagreus. He is in charge of maintaining order within the Underworld, determining the placements and punishments of the dead, and hearing the petitions of shades that come before him.
Hades is stern, serious, and...

round pilot
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Does it make Hades faster? it feels as though it does

mossy zinc
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No.

solemn pulsar
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it adds an entire 3rd phase

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if you mean does it make him move faster, then no, but he has some new attacks, some of which are faster

bright mango
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Em4 does not make hades faster

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But for attacks what cgull said

halcyon flame
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it does make his spin attack faster iirc

solemn pulsar
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maybe just the double

shy plinth
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I believe it replaces his single sweep with a double sweep that has the same timing

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So effectively the first hit is faster

bright mango
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The double sweep caught me completely off guard the first time I did em4

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So did everything else tho lol

shy plinth
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Yeah I mostly got hit by that attack and also all the other attacks

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Outside of those it wasn't that hard

woeful musk
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Currently going to fight Hades on my first 16 heat run EM4

shy plinth
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GLHF

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EM4 hard

woeful musk
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Died damn it

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I got to less than third of his half bar at third phase

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I had 3 DD

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including the tooth

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Could have gotten a better build

bronze viper
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There is literally no shame dying to EM4 lol

woeful musk
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thank you

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I lost a DD to the magma in the Hydra and then bought it back but lost it

gaunt fiber
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Dying at Lernie is important

shy plinth
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First time I did EM4 I went in with acorn and full DDs on a good build and died

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It's just a really hard fight

woeful musk
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I went there with the aegis shield, I now upgraded it and also upgraded Mort so he could help me at the Hydra and at Hades.

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I also got the phrase from chaos now so that's fun

solemn pulsar
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yeah EM4 is hard, but what about armored speeder drakons with PL on

woeful musk
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What does it mean?

solemn pulsar
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the little bone dragons in asphodel rooms

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with benefits package when they shoot really fast

woeful musk
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Oh

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wow that's scary

solemn pulsar
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and you're in hell mode so you don't get a shield up

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when you lose too much health

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they just delete you if you're not careful

woeful musk
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Just defeated lernie without losing a DD and with a good amount of health, my shield melts them

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Now I just need the shield upgrade that makes the bullrush faster and I'm a god

mossy zinc
solemn pulsar
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BP4 😱

mossy zinc
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They have inherent BP2.

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Seeker Shifter.

woeful musk
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what's BP4

mossy zinc
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Benefits Package 4.

woeful musk
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Remind me?

mossy zinc
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Armored enemies get perks.

woeful musk
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Oh yeah

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I only tried it once

halcyon flame
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BP11

mossy zinc
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BP11 is Dusa, the final boss.

woeful musk
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Just lost all my dd to the third boss

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Welp

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At least I know I can beat them without losing it so I'll just need to try again

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Oops

neat sonnet
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just don't die styx? kek

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it's tough to have that happen, but that's practice

woeful musk
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I won't die at styx but I only got one DD from the tooth now, my build is great but I'll need a bit of luck

neat sonnet
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if you weren't dying to rooms you should probably consider acorn, that's usually worth more than 100 hp to me

woeful musk
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Alright going to battle

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died again

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It was fun tho

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the shield was awesome

mossy zinc
# round pilot Does it make Hades faster? it feels as though it does

To clarify here, Hades becomes permanently enraged in phase 2 part 2 in both the regular fight and EM4. When he's enraged, there is less delay between attacks, but his attack animations and movement are as fast as before. That means during EM4, he's permanently enraged from phase 2 part 2 on and all the way through phase 3 until he's dead.

sullen minnow
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I know it's not "high heat" but i've been trying to see how quickly i can make it out on a fresh file. Just got my first clear at 5! Time to reset and try to improve it 😄

true fable
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fun fact, hades' EM4 spear throw has variable timing

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between 0.4 and 0.5 s

mossy zinc
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That's not a "fun" fact.

sullen minnow
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dad hittin you with the mixups

mossy zinc
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It's a fact, but it's not fun. squirtmeh

true fable
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not as bad as EM0 theseus

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but still pretty annoying

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especially since the spear tip hitbox appears almost instantly

mossy zinc
true fable
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fresh file also has some crossover at least

sullen minnow
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Thanks. I should probably avoid empty boasting but i was just happy about it. On to the next file!

solemn pulsar
true fable
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have you checked the speedrunning discord aurash? theres a channel for fresh file running

sullen minnow
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almost had 4 but choked it

true fable
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i never think about theseus after chariot

sullen minnow
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ohhh, i didn't know that was a channel over in there

solemn pulsar
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He’s usually just dead

sullen minnow
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I'll go ask, thank you!

true fable
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but yeah that timing is also variable between 1.35 and 1.85 i believe

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LOL

mossy zinc
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You can react to his throw easily, though.

waxen relic
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Mort is enough damage to one-shot post-chariot theseus btw

mossy zinc
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Especially with a fist to the face that kills him before he gets to raise his spear. squirtdevious

true fable
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i dont think its easily reactable but i also have old man reaction times

gaunt fiber
woeful musk
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amazing

unique zephyr
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Is there any reason you'd want to use stubborn defiance over death defiance other than Lasting Consequences 4?

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like would you want SD for benefits package 2 even without lasting or no

woeful musk
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Any good keepsakes I could take for EM3?

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Or should I just choose a god

true fable
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if i have LC0 im going DDs

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unless rooms are stupid

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but by that point id have turned on LC4 usually

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idk

sullen minnow
unique zephyr
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Ah ok, so it's better for training but otherwise suboptimal without LC

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got it

sullen minnow
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even the toughest bp2 rooms get vaporized by a well made build

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speeder savior numbskulls on a hestia run is just something that happens sometimes

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so 98% of the time

mossy zinc
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Hestia has no trouble with Savior Numbskulls.

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You still have a rail. thanthink

sullen minnow
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it sure doesn't enjoy them lol

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next to zeus shield, say, which doesn't even notice they're there

unique zephyr
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for cast builds/weapons is flood shot generally the best cast and why so if it is?

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or if not what is the best cast

mossy zinc
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It deals with it much easier than most other aspects.

true fable
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theres no point to training for LC4

mossy zinc
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Simply because it's a rail. Just hold down Attack.

sullen minnow
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BP2 just has niche cases that some weapons will occasionally enjoy less. That's all im driving at

true fable
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the way you learn to play LC4 is by playing LC4

sullen minnow
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fair

true fable
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savior numbskulls are fine

sullen minnow
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i like keeping it there because i can't crutch my way through bossfights with lazy play

true fable
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im still salty about the savior speedy 34 greatshields that ended my 53 heat run though

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wouldve been fine with piercing fire probably but

sullen minnow
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keeps a little edge to it if i'm not actively trying for something

true fable
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i entered that 34 at 10 minutes

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died at like 12:30

sullen minnow
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whoof

unique zephyr
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so for cast weapons what is the best cast generally?

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and why

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or what are the best casts for what condiderations

true fable
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depends

sullen minnow
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a lot

true fable
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okay so for example

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hera

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best cast is arguably crush shot

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since normally crush shot has pretty mediocre range

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but hera fixes that issue

sullen minnow
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achilles spear + hunting blades is bananas

mossy zinc
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Speedruns and TD3 no-hit runs (not necessarily successful, just minimizing the hits you take as much as possible) are good practice for LC4 in a way.

sullen minnow
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talos loves aphrodite if you want to include it

unique zephyr
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What makes them good practice for LC4?

mossy zinc
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Simply because they require knowledge and execution to deal with enemies efficiently.

unique zephyr
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ah makes sense

true fable
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flood shot is probably the best on beowulf only

sullen minnow
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posiedon likes zeus and artemis cast a good deal

unique zephyr
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what about pos sword?

mossy zinc
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But ultimately, LC4 is how you learn LC4.

true fable
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curse of drowning and blizzard shot are fine on talos too

sullen minnow
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ooooo CoD

true fable
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poseidon sword zeus cast or phalanx shot are both pretty good

sullen minnow
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i haven't tried that much

true fable
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i used to run flood shot

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takes too much to get going

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keep in mind that some casts have a stop, and others dont

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crush shot at least drops pretty quickly

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phalanx/flood both go on forever n ever

sullen minnow
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pos can get silly if you go artemis way and luck out with an extra cast or two and get exit wounds

true fable
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well

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any cast build will be good with fully loaded

sullen minnow
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true

true fable
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the problem is getting fully loaded

sullen minnow
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yeah i was more thinking chaos for the extras lol

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fully loaded is a nice dream

true fable
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i think poseidon has its merits

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its easy mirage

sullen minnow
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i like posiedon cast

true fable
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just very hard to manage on non beowulf

sullen minnow
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i actually prefer pos somewhat to arty for the mirage slot

true fable
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of course

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arty is single target

sullen minnow
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yeah

true fable
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poseidon is aoe

sullen minnow
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pos does such great area

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on top of kb damage

mossy zinc
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If you want to take Crush Shot on Poseidon Aspect, you'll probably want to get Deadly Flourish or Strike also for Heart Rend and lean on that, Drunken Dash or Dionysus' Aid for Low Tolerance, or just any good combo with Smoldering Air. She benefits a lot from those three.

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Parting Shot is good when you see it, but you wouldn't go out of your way to build for it.

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I like God's Legacy for Lady Aphrodite builds because those Duo Boons are so good. If you can get a run with Smoldering Air + Low Tolerance + Dionysus' Aid, you have a very ridiculous combo. The benefit of her very high % damage and pom scaling is that you don't need to build that up with t2 boons from her and can instead focus on synergies like that.

unique zephyr
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Why should I buy Hermes at Charon's shop?

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if there is another boon available

shy gulch
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because hermes good

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thats basically it

mossy zinc
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While Sweet Surrender will boost all of your damage from lightning, hangover, summons, etc., and Empty Inside makes it easier for any "while Weak" effects to remain active (e.g., Low Tolerance).

shy gulch
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id only buy the other god if i needed that god for my build and they hadnt shown up yet

unique zephyr
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also, does quick recovery get affected by LC

shy gulch
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i dont believe it does

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i think thts one of the few exceptions

mossy zinc
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Generally speaking, you buy one primarily for Hyper Sprint or Greatest Reflex or Second Wind. If you have Greatest Reflex already, you don't really need to buy another unless you're looking for something specific or can get Second Wind. If you have Hyper Sprint, you definitely want to buy one for a shot at Rush Delivery.

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Quick Recovery is not affected by LC at all.

shy gulch
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what nyaanyaa said

mossy zinc
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There are some exceptions like Attack speed is super good on Demeter Aspect or Excalibur, but those are generally what you're looking for.

woeful musk
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EM4 is hard..

shy gulch
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indeed

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it is quite difficult

woeful musk
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I did so good the first time I fought him there..

true fable
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getting hermes early is very good

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except

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i wouldnt buy it on CF2 with any levels of RI

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at least in tart

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youre just asking for a very very sad purging pool

unique zephyr
shy gulch
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movement is always good

mossy zinc
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Well, it's not quite Greatest Reflex, but it's the second best thing.

shy gulch
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i find it helps me avoid enemies and get out of range much much easier

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like the first thing i always think of is that with any extra movement you can get out of hades spin without having to time anything

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you just sprint out lmao

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it also helps w avoiding minotaur attacks

mossy zinc
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A lot of his boons are a bust, but they'll let you keep what you want to keep, at least.

waxen relic
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If i have 3 boons, 2 definite keeps, i advocate not buying Hermes, if i actually want sth from him

mossy zinc
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His pool was better when Side Hustle didn't exist.

woeful musk
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If I could just get 2 specific daedlus hammer upgrades I might just be able to do it.

mossy zinc
unique zephyr
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Is side hustle bad because of convenience fee or is it bad even with CF0

mossy zinc
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It's not bad.

woeful musk
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Is there any secret, unknown weakness.. something that is good for defeating EM4

waxen relic
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i mean if you have the two setups for your duo and there's no other god on sale (if that can happen?), naturally

shy gulch
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side hustle isnt bad per se, its just that hermes can offer you so much more

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its always a settle

mossy zinc
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It's bad for the pool because it's one more boon that's not what you really want from him, but it's a good boon per se.

waxen relic
woeful musk
mossy zinc
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They added Rush Delivery in the same patch, though, so I guess that works out okay, after all.

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But it was so nice when his pool was a lot smaller and you could much more easily get Greatest Reflex.

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I complained for several months every time Side Hustle showed up instead of Greatest Reflex lol.

waxen relic
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Good times

mossy zinc
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Rerolling 2-3 times with AP2 just to get a common Side Hustle.

honest kernel
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Soooo nobody gonna mention the Sturdy effect of Hyper Sprint ?

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30% damage reduction while the sturdy is active

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It's not just mobility : It's effective defense

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Also can't be stunned, IIRC

mossy zinc
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Yes. Hyper Sprint is very good, I rate it just behind Greatest Reflex.

pseudo girder
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Same here

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Hyper Sprint is always a top tier Hermes boon

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I've grown to appreciate it more as of late with my speedrun attempts

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Though I still like Greatest more for the simple fact that "more dash = more good"

woeful musk
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I love hyper sprint

solemn pulsar
unique zephyr
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FO2 feels like I’m re learning the entire game, at least to me

honest kernel
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Was the same to me too

true fable
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i take hyper sprint over +1 dash

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though part of that is just monkey speedrunner brain

bronze viper
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Depends on aspect and boons for me. If I'm Tidal Dashing or Nemesis or something I'll take +1 dash. Though I've considered if that's wrong.

neat sonnet
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so remember how I was asking about beo?

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well I'm on my first run I started a few days ago, and I've just grabbed the sack with 3:28 to go

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wish me luck

shy plinth
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GLHF

honest kernel
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Good luck!

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If there's a weapon that can do Hades fast, it's Beowulf

neat sonnet
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wow

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this aspect

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ez

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jeez

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I got charged shot but

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no extra cast needed, lvl2 trippy flare

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y'all have helped me get so. much. better at this game

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I FORGOT ANTOS AFTER SAYING IT OUT LOUD

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omg

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not that much better I guess

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beo 32 smashed

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very slow run but

mossy zinc
bronze viper
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I already finished 40, never again. At least until I go back and try 24x45 but I'm not even close to good enough to do that lol

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Good/patient

mossy zinc
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What I read is you don't have the patience to reset for Double Edge then die anyway because you couldn't i-frame attacks with your dashes because you need all your dashes to do mediocre damage.

bronze viper
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Lmao yeah

junior whale
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nemesis isnt that unsafe if u just use ur last dash to get away

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unless its those stupid mf bow dudes who just d otheir spam arrow move

bronze viper
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Lol but you need to use a dash to get in. That math doesn't check out

mossy zinc
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And halve your DPS because you only use one Dash. Sounds good.

junior whale
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yh it does the hitbox is very leanient

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u can hit with the dash out hitbox np

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u can even dash in and right back where u came from if u want

bronze viper
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I'll leave that to you then. Stygius: Not even once.

mossy zinc
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The hitbox sucks. It's too narrow. Should be wider for better AOE and just straight-up have more base damage.

bronze viper
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I got through Zag and Nemesis 40 by Tidal Dashing lol

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I also didn't have the patience to reset for ME

mossy zinc
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Pretty sure you do better DPS with Demeter Aspect + Heartbreak/Deadly Flourish with any Attack boon than you do with Nemesis + Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish + Heart Rend + Double Edge.

unique zephyr
junior whale
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vs hades if i have enough time and not enough dashes tho i deadass just use the bad combo with sword lol to save my dashes for his spins

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bruh this bot iswtg

unique zephyr
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Sometimes I don’t even see what hit me

honest kernel
bronze viper
honest kernel
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This game ain't my first rodeo in this genre

junior whale
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im comfortable with f02 on sword cuz i just unga bunga dont react to what the enemies are doing anyways 😎

woeful musk
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4 DD, 330 full HP, 16 heat, EM4, pretty good build.. Please be it..

junior whale
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u have to be a bit safer with ur special tho

honest kernel
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FO2 on Melee is always gonna be a risk

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Let's put that out there

mossy zinc
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I don't really have a problem swapping between FO0, FO1, and FO2 anymore. Might take a few chambers to readjust.

junior whale
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its way way way worse on fists tho id say cuz on sword u kinda keep ur distance by dashing thru enemies atleast

honest kernel
#

And then bosses happen

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This is where Sword can struggle

junior whale
#

yup

bronze viper
#

Shrug I don't notice FO2 on fists that much. I find it a lot easier to reposition and stun lock problematic enemies. Or straight up kill them if I'm Demeter

junior whale
#

then its sword combo time lmao

mossy zinc
#

Malphon is way safer than Stygius. thanthink

junior whale
#

who needs dps

honest kernel
mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

Fists has an easier time stun-locking enemies

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, I was being serious.

junior whale
#

if u get that sweet special speed on nemesis tho u can play like f0 is not on

bronze viper
#

If you get Epic Swift Strike on Nemesis you're still just primarily using Dash Strike lol

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I'd take +1 dash over epic Swift Strike

junior whale
#

im talking abt swift flourish 🧍‍♂️

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swift strike is completely useless

honest kernel
#

Swift Flourish on nemesis is basically just a "Didn't get Dashes or Hyper Sprint" take

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And even then

junior whale
#

swift flourish dont matter that much unless f02 imo

solemn pulsar
#

Swift flourish is bad

shy plinth
#

If it's like chamber 13 hermes I would look hard at side hustle over flourish lol

junior whale
#

but it lets u be braindeader

solemn pulsar
#

Messes with your dash timing

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And barely speeds your play up

bronze viper
#

Oh, misread. Still, while using special on Nemesis is pretty unsafe on FO2, the issue I have is that when you expend your dashes to damage an enemy, you're left vulnerable and can't continue to damage enemies to apply stun. Your base attack is too slow, and you're just going to get hit. To avoid this, as you mentioned, you hold a dash to get out. Which cuts your damage in half.

solemn pulsar
#

IMO

junior whale
#

less time to get hit while ur specialing and u still take long enough to dash right after i dont see any problem

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its not my first choice on hermes but i dont see any downside rly

honest kernel
#

It needs dashes to get in, to deal damage, to stay safe ...

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Since it can't really do the attack combo without committing hard

unique zephyr
junior whale
#

when i did 32 nemesis i had 0 forced overtime or the healing nerf on lol

bronze viper
unique zephyr
#

Ah ok that makes sense

woeful musk
#

I DID IT!! DEFEATED EM4 16 HEAT

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ah that's fun

unique zephyr
#

If I do go down and up on forced overtime how long does it take to readjust? I’m just keeping FO2 on for all my runs right now

mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

True

mossy zinc
#

Dash-Strike hitbox on Stygius is like | when Malphon's is like [___]

woeful musk
#

I also got a fishing spot as a prize on the surface

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a bass

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nice

bronze viper
mossy zinc
woeful musk
#

And now I died because of 'shiver' just how many excuse screens are there? I heard it used to be the normal result in early access

mossy zinc
#

If I do go down and up on forced overtime how long does it take to readjust?
You'll be the best person to answer that. It's a matter of practice and experience.

unique zephyr
bright mango
#

FO0

bronze viper
#

0, even at 40 lol

bright mango
#

Dont use FO on arthur

bronze viper
#

You have to make your pacts disgusting to pull that off, but it was worth it for me

mossy zinc
#

Sometimes it takes me half a run or more, sometimes it takes me just a couple chambers, sometimes I adjust in chamber 1.

unique zephyr
#

Ah okay, my practice time is limited but I’m trying to make the best of it, and I hope it will increase too

mossy zinc
#

Sometimes I throw a couple runs at high heat before I adjust.

bronze viper
#

Oh, nvm, not that bad. I thought i had to do AP2.

bright mango
#

Whoa

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RI2

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, I'd take RI over FO on Excalibur. Makes things a lot easier.

bright mango
#

Yeah probably

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Since arthur also gives +50 helth

mossy zinc
#

RI was standard for high heat before 1.0. You newbies are so scared of losing a few mirror talents. squirtnya

bright mango
gaunt fiber
#

And you are scared of FO on Arthur lol

bronze viper
#

I like Retrash's AP2 RI0 setups

mossy zinc
#

No.

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m not scared.

gaunt fiber
#

Here's a real 40 arthur pact

bronze viper
#

Never seen that title

gaunt fiber
#

Every shop

junior whale
#

i got that one instead of the boonless thing on my boonless run 😖

gaunt fiber
#

And you don't have to buy anything

#

free title

mossy zinc
#

Free like you are to EM Hades. squirtnya

gaunt fiber
#

?

mossy zinc
#

End of the week, you said?

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah

bronze viper
#

Lol, but Dad wasn't killing him

gaunt fiber
#

Could not play past two days

#

so the end of the week was earlier

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than expected

solemn pulsar
#

This week we were perdabled

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Next week is Imperdable 2: the Imperdabling

gaunt fiber
#

Hopefully

#

tomorrow is the final final day 1

bright mango
#

Hopefully

unique zephyr
#

I've seen the word imperdable but I still don't know what it means

bronze viper
#

It's french for the state of not being perdable

bright mango
#

Basically you can't die

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Ledger lol

shy gulch
#

kinda tempted to try hera 50

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sounds rly rough tho

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probably just get a crush shot seed w AP2, unseeded is for losers

neat sonnet
#

quand c'est pas perdable, c'est imperdable

wanton plover
#

would u guys add a streak category to the high heat doc

edgy arrow
#

there is one already

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it’s called Multi-Run

wanton plover
#

oh i see now

#

its almost empty

edgy arrow
#

yeah just Bablo’s 24x40 streak atm

solemn pulsar
#

Wasn’t it 48 streak?

shy gulch
#

it was yeah

#

madlad

edgy arrow
#

it’s only listed as 24 on the spreadsheet for some reason tho

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he probably put it up before getting the other 24

wanton plover
#

good golly he really won 48 ina row

solar maple
#

bablo is alright at this game

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I guess

solemn pulsar
#

His secret was TD2 and straight chillin

bright mango
#

Jumping back into playing after a long break, trying to get 47 heat

unique zephyr
#

Hestia or some other weapon?

bright mango
#

Hestia

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And I’m doing 49dusa

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Changed my mind

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Made it to asphodel

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Lets see where it goes

#

Lowkey timer scary

edgy arrow
#

nah

#

highkey timer scary

bright mango
#

Made it to elysium with 40 sec on the clock

#

Making it farther than I thought

#

THE SPLITTING ASTERIUS PROJECTILES

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Chamber 32

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Timer too scary anyways

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1:23

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JS3 and CP2 are scary

edgy arrow
#

it’s true

bright mango
#

Not played in a while so I feel this run did decent

#

@gaunt fiber I have no idea how you do that with 25 helth

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HOWWWW

gaunt fiber
#

A good teacher and a lot of practice

bright mango
#

Idk the timer felt too tight

shy gulch
#

is the teacher nyaanyaa saying “game better”

bright mango
#

Everything else was going sorta smoothly

#

Until asterius

gaunt fiber
bright mango
#

Yeah just practice

#

This was my first try so I’m pretty happy

gaunt fiber
unique zephyr
#

And how

bright mango
#

Nyannyaa

vital grove
#

Considering how tight TD3 can get on very high heat, maybe Td2 is the answer lol

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Or td0 and everything else, then take an hour to win with a shield.

solar maple
#

td0 sounds nice

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but trust me

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you can't just "block everything"

#

td2 is sometimes nice, but you have to take 3 more heat of other stuff

#

that usually means either taking AP2 or EM4. Either way, boss fights get much harder

#

and even if you did do td0, that's "only" 58 heat, where you could have just taken RI2 (and cp/dc0 to help not time out depending on aspect) and been able to get hit 3 times over the whole run without dying

#

td2 is worth it sometimes especially on very safe and slow weapons, like chaos shield or chiron

bronze viper
#

TD2 gaming.

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My 51 was TD3. I don't know what form of sorcery I did to do that.

#

Yeah, just checked, I think I made things harder on myself with TD2 50 Hestia but. I don't know how to play that aspect efficiently so I hedged.

#

TD2 cowardice gaming

solar maple
#

yeah the 'good' weapons are generally good because they have high dps, so can handle td3

#

hestia, rama, etc

unique zephyr
#

Rama seems much less hurt by jury summons than other weapons because of how shared suffering works

#

Not sure though

wanton plover
#

yes that is true

#

and not to mention ramas incredible dps, single or multi target

solar maple
#

yes rama handles JS quite well

honest kernel
#

TD3 makes me feel like im just at the mercy of BP in elysium and sacks shadedisgruntled

true fable
#

good start

#

oops

#

hmm

#

how longs the cooldown on that thing

#

ah

#

there it is

#

deja vu

mossy zinc
#

10 seconds or something like that, I believe

true fable
#

i dont think i miss approval process

mossy zinc
#

No, you're Mister Bright01. Who is Miss Approval Process?

true fable
#

call me bright

#

mr 01 is my father

mossy zinc
#

I don't know if you know that. You just found out you're not Miss Approval Process.

main wasp
#

Diving into H32 proved a bit more challenging with the lack of most healing

#

Especially with my more aggressive playstyle

honest kernel
#

bad life choices: taking rolling defiance in elysium

#

+62% enemy spawns dusa

main wasp
#

Ouxh

#

I need to find a way to cheese EM Lernie at H32

#

Without the shield

#

Actually I need a new playstyle for high heat

#

I am currently playing too aggressive

edgy arrow
#

yeah there's a lot of enemies you can kinda just plow through early on that you need to learn the patterns of when you push higher

shy gulch
#

when unga bunga no longer works 😔

honest kernel
#

depends on which lernie I guess some give you a chill time and then blue/white lernir pops up

edgy arrow
#

re: lernie there isn't really a "cheese" strat (apart from beowulf lol, but you said no shields); an easy lernie fight is just one where you have decent aoe so you can smash multiple heads at once

#

easier, at least

honest kernel
#

I usually use my companion in the 2nd head phase

shy gulch
#

beowulf is a cheese strat for every boss, except furies maybe

edgy arrow
#

pretty much lol

#

even furies really

#

just to a lesser extent

shy gulch
#

it’s not really cheese for furies, it’s just a decent weapon for it

#

actual cheese for furies is hestia

#

I swear the whole fight becomes a joke

edgy arrow
#

lol yeah that's true

#

with hestia room 12 is scarier than furies

#

sometimes

#

BP depending

shy gulch
#

oh absolutely

#

literal numbskulls are scarier than furies

edgy arrow
#

saviour numbskulls are the real tartarus boss

hearty onyx
#

Especially when you spawn in a room full of them

#

With Arthur...

main wasp
#

Hestia basically becomes a railgun at some point

honest kernel
#

finally chiron on 40, took me forever shadegrief

#

I didnt even get the duo offered this time

mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

thanks friendly

bright mango
#

@gaunt fiber are you gonna be strimming later today?

gaunt fiber
#

yeah

#

was warming up

bright mango
#

Today is the time for imperdabling

gaunt fiber
#

not sure

#

can't get a clean fight

bright mango
#

It'll happen

neat sonnet
#

where there's an imperdable there's a way

honest kernel
#

styx was rly bad

#

I was on 4 health when I found the sack so I took an extra tunnel to heal

#

better be sure to count the rooms

wide quest
#

I HAVE BECOME PART OF 40 HEAT GANG

#

it feels really good :3

hardy sonnet
#

gUYS

#

i just cleared 32 heat for the first time w/o god mode

#

i’m so happy aaa

wide quest
#

eyyy nice

#

we both did something cool :3

hardy sonnet
#

y’all know how i can send a photo on here lmfao

#

also hOLY HELL 40 heat

#

you are an absolute god

wide quest
#

you can upload the image to imgur and drop the linj

#

link

wide quest
hardy sonnet
#

oh that’s so much effort

#

u absolutely are

wide quest
#

i think tailesque has done 60

edgy arrow
#

he has

quartz mantle
#

You can also put it in another server/channel and then copy the link

edgy arrow
#

pro tip: do not compare yourself to Tail

#

he is beyond us mere mortals

wide quest
#

i cant post anything but ill tell yall the heat and build :3

edgy arrow
#

anyway congrats on 40

wide quest
#

hl5, lc4, cf2, js3, em3, cp2, bp2, mm, uc, hs, ri1, dc2, td2, pl

#

that was my heat

hardy sonnet
#

| 32 VICTORY
| talos
| dr. cutter
| td3,lc1,cp1,bp2em2,hl3 i think, js3 and maybe some other stuff i forgot
|____________________

wide quest
#

i didnt want to take fo at all so i opted for ri

hardy sonnet
#

there’s my ascii art

wide quest
#

nice

edgy arrow
#

RI1 is pretty painful

quartz mantle
#

cp2 sounds painful as well

wide quest
#

ri1 only hurt me at the start

hardy sonnet
#

i will never ever take ri or ap

edgy arrow
#

with TD2 the JS3/CP2 is workable

hardy sonnet
#

i despise them

wide quest
#

but damn i respect td3 camomile, i dont have the audacity to attempt td3

edgy arrow
wide quest
#

i got some good ass rng

#

like

hardy sonnet
#

life hack

quartz mantle
#

Td3 is not as hard as you may think

wide quest
#

yea dionysus refused to give me his special for ps

edgy arrow
#

20% fewer boons will effect you at every stage of the game

wide quest
#

but i got his call :3

quartz mantle
#

It takes some getting used to

hardy sonnet
#

yeah i can only td3 with eris, hestia, and talos

#

i nearly timed out in elysium lol

#

and i cleared w only 55s left

wide quest
#

but i used rama, got a common aphro attack but it got leveled to 4 by the time i got out of asphodel since nectar is great and a couple poms, perfect + triple hammers, i got pat so that was epic and another athena dd, and 5% cast damage from bouldy

#

rama is sooo free

hardy sonnet
#

that’s awesome

edgy arrow
#

rama good

hardy sonnet
#

i died on my rama boonless run bc i’m bad at dash striking and everything took so long

edgy arrow
#

spicy hammers as well

hardy sonnet
#

ended up getting it w hestia tho :)

#

mm spicy hammer

wide quest
#

ive come to a point where i exclusively play with sd

#

since it feels so cool to be smart with it

edgy arrow
#

welcome to high heat haha

hardy sonnet
#

i’m not a huge fan of sd

#

maybe if i go above 40 heat

#

but before that aaa

edgy arrow
#

#SDLC4life

wide quest
#

yeaaa lc4 and hl5 😎

edgy arrow
#

don’t worry about SD unless and until you go for LC4

wide quest
#

make me feel epic

edgy arrow
#

that’s it’s purpose

hardy sonnet
#

i can’t consistently clear heroes and dad w one death defy yet so it’s the dd life for me

#

hell even lernie em2 i end up dying in magma a whole lot

edgy arrow
#

yeah using DDs until you get your bosses really clean is valid

#

some folks recommend doing LC4 and SD for you first 32, but that’s pretty debatable imo

hardy sonnet
#

mm validation

edgy arrow
#

it’s certainly good once you’ve got the hang of it tho

quartz mantle
#

SD is best against common rooms but DD shines against bosses

hardy sonnet
#

agreed

wide quest
#

honestly i like sd since it lets me be more aggressive

hardy sonnet
#

if you’re doing crazy high heat where every encounter is a death sentence

#

you just gotta use sd

quartz mantle
#

At higher heat pretty much any room can end your run

#

either directly or indirectly

edgy arrow
#

it’s really just an LC4 thing honestly

quartz mantle
#

So at that point you just have to get better at boss fights so you can use SD

edgy arrow
#

yeah rooms are scarier for high heat, sure, but if you’re not running LC4 you shouldn’t run SD

hardy sonnet
#

ohokwy living that lc4 lifestyle

edgy arrow
#

pretty much lol

#

it’s pretty fun once you’re used to it

#

i save so much money on healing lmao

wide quest
#

and tbh, i understand the distaste of ri, but its not as hard imo

hardy sonnet
#

my problem is that when i don’t heal i...die

wide quest
#

lol

hardy sonnet
#

cant live sin fated persuasion these days

#

it’s so helpful

wide quest
#

like yea not having boon manipulation sucks but you still get rerolls with keys since you dont have df

hardy sonnet
#

true

wide quest
#

and i mean yea the setup i was going for only needed 2 boons so :/

edgy arrow
#

fated persuasion good, god’s pride/legacy good

none of those are why RI1 is so bad tho

wide quest
#

and i only got one of em but still shredded

edgy arrow
#

dark foresight is bonkers op

bright mango
#

yep

hardy sonnet
#

gods pride/legacy is an absolute scam but i love it anyway

wide quest
hardy sonnet
#

u can take gods pride and chaos boons and god keepsakes and still get 3 common boons 😔

edgy arrow
#

common boons aren’t that bad tbh

hardy sonnet
#

depends on the boon

edgy arrow
#

only really in a couple of cases

hardy sonnet
#

for smn like strong drink it doesn’t rlly matter

#

but then greatest reflex

#

rarity is SO important w most hermes boons

edgy arrow
#

rarity scaling on hermes boons is pretty ridiculous yeah

quartz mantle
#

Well that's cause they don't have pom scaling

#

So their rarity scaling is bonkers

wide quest
#

yeaaa my hermes boons on my 40 run was like common evasion common hyper sprint

#

kinda sad but still helped a lot

hardy sonnet
#

sad sad

edgy arrow
#

but in general it’s far more important to get the boons you want, regardless of rarity

hardy sonnet
#

once i had a meme run

quartz mantle
#

It's far more important to get boons

hardy sonnet
#

where i took splash dash and just

quartz mantle
#

period

#

Dark Foresight moment

hardy sonnet
#

splash dashed

#

and i got epic greatest reflex

#

and then eurydice hit it w that porridge or smn

#

and i had 6 dashes

#

mm that was fun

#

man i should try that with gilgamesh

edgy arrow
#

i wish i had 6 dashes

hardy sonnet
#

could get 8 dashes

edgy arrow
#

i don’t wish i had 8 dashes, because that would mean i would be playing gilgamesh

hardy sonnet
#

lol

#

gilgy hate make me sad

#

it’s fun >:(

edgy arrow
#

it is

#

it’s also bad

wide quest
#

ok so should i jump to 45 or should i just do it one at a time

edgy arrow
#

either works

quartz mantle
#

I don't wish I had 8 dashes because that would mean I would be playing gilgamesh without Ruthless Reflex*

edgy arrow
#

personal preference really

#

the current beo heat wr holder just pushes beo and hasn’t done much with any other aspect lol

wide quest
#

ahh

hardy sonnet
wide quest
#

it feels like cheating to only use rama

edgy arrow
#

ehh

wide quest
#

but like, its soo easy too

hardy sonnet
#

ramamamama

edgy arrow
#

nothing’s cheating with enough heat

hardy sonnet
#

9999999999 health 63 heat i got this x

edgy arrow
#

true lol

#

apart from actual hacking

hardy sonnet
#

also 192 death defies

#

oh wait no you would hate that

#

ok ok

#

how about

#

192 stubborn defiance per chamber

edgy arrow
#

when you have 192 death defiances and lose them all in chamber 2 to saviour numbskulls because you were playing arthur

hardy sonnet
#

hack time 😎

#

lmao arthur more like are slow

#

amirite fellow pos sword supremacists

edgy arrow
#

that pun doesn’t make sense but i support this message regardless

#

yusss pos sword

hardy sonnet
#

yusss

edgy arrow
#

the only good sword

hardy sonnet
#

nemesis can be good w hammers

#

and arthur can be good w the right heat setup

edgy arrow
#

nemesis is good but hard to use

hardy sonnet
#

but yes

#

agreed

#

had a nice nemesis run w flurry slash

#

so little damage tho

edgy arrow
#

double edge is the big one for nem

#

damage can get crazy, it’s just a very exposed playstyle

#

which can be a problem for heat pushing

hardy sonnet
#

what’s dedge again

#

dash strike hits twice?

edgy arrow
#

yeah

hardy sonnet
#

could be v good w hunter dash

edgy arrow
#

indeed

#

very good without it as well, honestly

#

sword wants to dash strike 90% of the time for optimal dps

hardy sonnet
#

favourite cast for pos?

edgy arrow
#

true shot

#

i think meta is more electric shot/flood shot for the aoe

#

but i like my true shot

hardy sonnet
#

never tried electric w pos

#

seems like it would be a hassle to find where the cast ended up

edgy arrow
#

electric is what the pos speedrun wr uses iirc

#

yeah for sure lol

solemn pulsar
#

nah we're all about phalanx shot now

hardy sonnet
#

lol read that as piece of sh- speedrunners

edgy arrow
#

yeah wasn’t sure if it’d changed

hardy sonnet
#

phalanx shot is so amazing with achilles spear

solemn pulsar
#

zeus is consistent, but damage falls off hard after asphodel

edgy arrow
#

i’m bad at keeping up with speedrun stuff

solemn pulsar
#

phalanx damage scales way better

#

and athena in the pool for high heat is great

hardy sonnet
#

athena keepsake more like divine dash gambling

edgy arrow
#

is phalanx used for any heat as well?

#

that’s interesting

bright mango
#

Phalanx is very good at any heat

#

Single target damage is very good

edgy arrow
#

yeah true

bright mango
#

And opens up proud bearing

edgy arrow
#

oh yeah proud bearing good

solemn pulsar
#

lightning phalanx is good

#

if you can pick up mirage that's also good

edgy arrow
#

i might try forcing athena cast for my next pos 45

hardy sonnet
#

absolutely do

edgy arrow
#

i’ve done a few runs with mom pom, but that strat is too inconsistent for me

#

obviously it’ll be impractical to rely on lightning phalanx/mirage at that heat, but i can dream

solemn pulsar
#

i mean nah you're just relying on the cast at high heat

#

athena cast nullifying incoming attacks with deflect is also a nice safety thing

edgy arrow
#

for sure

solemn pulsar
#

unless you're me and get mirage on 50 heat

#

boewulf

edgy arrow
#

ez game

#

AP is free heat

bright mango
#

Ap is free if you have good luck

solemn pulsar
#

all heat except EM, JS, CP, DC, UC, CF, and RI is technically free until it's not

quartz mantle
#

Convenience Fee is free until you buy something

#

And UC is free until you get a boon

dire steppe
edgy arrow
#

64 heat is free in that moment

#

makes you think

solemn pulsar
solemn pulsar
edgy arrow
#

oh true lmao

#

we can’t even have that tiny respite

solemn pulsar
#

so on achilles and gilgamesh it'll be equal

#

since you can achilles special optimally for speed

#

and 4 dashes vs 3 on gilgamesh doesn't make you get there faster

main wasp
#

but it makes you FASTER

gaunt fiber
#

Another perdable day

#

but a glimmer of hope at the end

#

so tomorrow is most likely the final day

quartz mantle
#

But for real this time

gaunt fiber
#

Of course!

bright mango
#

Yeah today was a warmup

#

More perdabling

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But tomorrow we are imperdabling

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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This is doubt

bright mango
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nyaanyaa how dare you

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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wym

unique zephyr
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The game has different rarity chances for hermes boons

edgy arrow
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off the top of my head i can’t think of a boon with better scaling than your average hermes

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even something like rav will isn’t better

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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oh yeah

shy plinth
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Oh hermes rolls worse?

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Weird

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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hermes boons are less likely to be rare

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yeah i see what you mean

solemn pulsar
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1% legendary roll RIp

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Yeah if you want anything but common Hermes you’re pretty much forced to use pride/nectar/yarn

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Or exclusive access for the big purpy stonks

bright mango
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I just threw a 40 beo by standing in lava

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Wtf am i doing

shy gulch
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standing in lava, apparently

bright mango
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I lost a 100 hp

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In lava

solar maple
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just block the lava

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🙂

gaunt fiber
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I'm not longer a lava boyo

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I'm proud

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Used to be a competitive lava swimmer

neat sonnet
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proud

unique zephyr
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Died to Alecto on 21 heat practice run with Zag bow while I had Curse of Longing, I threw that so hard somehow

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Stubborn Defiance (using LC4) is unforgiving

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so is forced overtime 2

bronze viper
# bright mango I lost a 100 hp

This is me whenever I play Stygius in Asphodel. Especially that one room with 4 small islands. That room is Satan's butthole

shy plinth
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Dying to alecto happens

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Yikes

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But also yes

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I always get rocked by a gorgon and then bone raked

junior whale
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frick alecto and her sawblade things

unique zephyr
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They are the worst even when Alecto isn't the main boss

bright mango
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Once I get charged shot with beo I shouldn't be launching casts mid rush right?

solar maple
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you can, but it's pretty finicky

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usually just preload with charged shot

bright mango
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Ok

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Once I learned how to release casts mid shot beo just got 50 times smoother

solemn pulsar
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If you do it mid charged shot you get style points

bright mango
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i can get it off 1 in 3 shots with charged shot

solemn pulsar
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Then you’re 33% cool

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Or just load it while it’s charging

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Much easier

bright mango
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Time to consider rebinding my cast now

solemn pulsar
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LB is the way

bright mango
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I play on switch so I assume that translates to ZL?

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or just L

solemn pulsar
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Just L

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But either would work

bright mango
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ok

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L is my codex rn

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I could switch that over to the arrow buttons

gaunt fiber
bright mango
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Do you mean -50 % healthzaglol

gaunt fiber
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It goes together

solemn pulsar
gaunt fiber
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I see

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Hey don't than think me like that

solar maple
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I'll be honest I midload with charged shot way too much

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it's a bad habit

solar maple
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gave up on 50 nem

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for now

bright mango
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For now...

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Good job pseudo!

wanton plover
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how come you do art atk? i thought aph is better

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or was it out of your control

bronze viper
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I started going Arty attack on nem too. Moar crits.

quartz mantle
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I’ve always been doing arti attack on nem

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Should I have not?

wanton plover
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i did the math and i found aph does more on average so i always used her

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but sometimes i see art instead so now im second guessing

bronze viper
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Shrug. Math also gets skewed from random sources of additive damage, like boiling blood or 20% from dedge

wanton plover
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i see

solar maple
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^^ boiling blood, family favorites, double edge, chaos boosts, all scale better with arty attack

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and I would rather have arty in the pool for things like hunter's mark, and the duos

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usually I start athena, but I was trying out arty start

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aphro does have the advantage of slightly better damage at the very start of the run, as well as weak. It's not bad by any means

unique zephyr
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Been doing practice and I'm getting more confident with TD3

solar maple
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I'm thinking of switching to RI2 AP1 for my 50 heat runs

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but health good

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me safe

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so idk

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(380 hp on 45 heat lmao)

gentle lantern
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doin 32 heat for the second time!! wish me luck

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im using nemesis

solar maple
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nem sword pog

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good luck!

light stag
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Unless you have a source of additional damage, Aphro attack/Special is better

wanton plover
light stag
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in fact all % based other than Poseidon attack deal more damage on average after a few Poms

solar maple
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yes but you often do have additional damage

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by the end of the run I had ~+120% damage from other sources with boiling blood active

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not counting the attack damage

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wait no

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more like 175%

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forgot about hunter dash

wanton plover
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i guess art scales way better with bouldy too

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cannot believe i didnt think of that

solar maple
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sadly I didn't get rush delivery for that bouldy +speed synergy

gentle lantern
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i broke my streak on a 32 heat run 😭

tidal flame
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at least you didn't break it on a lower heat.