#h1-high-heat-strategies

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bright mango
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It worked fine for me

solar maple
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people do underestimate DC2. You can take it, but it is not free

mossy zinc
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I don't really care too much about BP2 FO2 with Malphon. You're point-blank anyway and stunlocking enemies.

light stag
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the special hits 2 times, charged - 7 times

wintry berry
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I would not take DC2 on 32

edgy arrow
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nobody ever said DC2 is free

solar maple
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if DC2 blocks 2 dash attacks on every enemy that's +50hp at least for every enemy

edgy arrow
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its just workable

solar maple
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which is quite a bit

unique zephyr
light stag
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it is one of the weapons least affected by DC

edgy arrow
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"free heat" is a myth

unique zephyr
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Ah ok I see how DC2 slows me down, I’d do another run now if I wasn’t recovering from pain

edgy arrow
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it slows you down, just less on those aspects

light stag
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especially with lighting strike the bouncing chains clear the hearts of nearby enemies

mossy zinc
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JS2 might be better than DC2. But I don't think it's anything to spend too much time theorizing about when you could just go out and practice more. That's gonna matter a lot more, ultimately.

solar maple
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I think JS2 is still worse than DC2

bright mango
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Just play

unique zephyr
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Yeah, my pain limits practice time but I’m hoping treatment changes that.

bright mango
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You'll get better

unique zephyr
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I’ve felt myself get better at FO2 in general

light stag
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JS with BP2 can make Tartarus take forever

solar maple
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yeah don't take JS if you are afraid of timing out haha

gaunt fiber
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If you can't play that much try to watch vod as much as possible

bright mango
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Watch other people play as well

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It helps

gaunt fiber
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Yeah

bright mango
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When you aren't playing

mossy zinc
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I don't think it's worse. JS2 DC0 allows you to stunlock enemies from the first hit. That can help a lot with safety.

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They pose different problems.

bright mango
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Me watching Astaos suffer at 50 Guan yu let me clear 40 second try 🙂

gaunt fiber
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Lmao

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No suffering only fun

wintry berry
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DC0 allows me to take down numbskulls easily

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Imagine a swarm of them with savior

edgy arrow
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i'd rather not imagine that

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i might have a panic attack or something

bright mango
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Those rooms have almost ruined so many runs for me

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Saviour numbskulls

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Its like they never die

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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my fav is them with chiron

unique zephyr
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Savior numbskulls suck

wanton plover
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look at the pinned

edgy arrow
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its like, yeah this is my fault for playing chiron

mossy zinc
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They're actually already dead.

edgy arrow
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i brought this on myself

mossy zinc
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That's why they're in the underworld.

bright mango
gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
bright mango
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There are so many people

unique zephyr
gaunt fiber
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Yeah Ananke Latt_Millard are very good.

bright mango
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Yeah latts cool

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Dunnk0 steams as well

gaunt fiber
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Any heat will help, prolly better to watch high heat for EM3

bright mango
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Vorime does hades occasionally

gaunt fiber
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Latt is doing high heat atm

bright mango
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He's doing a bunch of hollow knight stuff rn

edgy arrow
gaunt fiber
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Well not atm atm

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But atm you know

wanton plover
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dunn plays high heat or speedruns? or both?

bright mango
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Also wriste13

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Pseudo as well

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Astaos streams

shy gulch
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duunk is a speedrunner but lately he's been enjoying high heat (50) more

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i dont know if he's cleared it yet

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not too many ppl stream high heat unfortunately, just not as popular as speed

edgy arrow
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i love how you say "enjoying" lol

gaunt fiber
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Yeah I saw he was like trying high heat which is cool

shy gulch
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i mean he genuinely is

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he's doing it because hes enjoying it

bright mango
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Yeah he was doing 32 heat all weapons yesterday

shy gulch
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oh yeah he did that

mossy zinc
shy gulch
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thats a cool run to do, i might try it

edgy arrow
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oh i'm sure he is

unique zephyr
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How do I learn while watching

edgy arrow
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i technically enjoy it as well, in like a pained way

unique zephyr
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Since often I just see and don’t know what to take from it

gaunt fiber
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Ask the strimmer

edgy arrow
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honestly just pay attention to how they move

shy gulch
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"strimmr why bad"

edgy arrow
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that's how i learned to play beo

gaunt fiber
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Decisions, movement mostly

bright mango
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I just learned beo by watching other people

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It gave me a knack of when to release casts

shy gulch
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i didnt learn beo

gaunt fiber
bright mango
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Strimmer tilted

solar maple
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I definitely watched a good bit of good beo play

gaunt fiber
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Strimmer luck is a legend btw

edgy arrow
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movement is the main thing that's hard to learn from a places like this channel

mossy zinc
solar maple
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yes 🙂

wanton plover
bright mango
edgy arrow
solar maple
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I don't

edgy arrow
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it is accurate, but i still take offense

solar maple
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that's what I do

gaunt fiber
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You dash strike sometimes

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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And block

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And for an unknown reason you take 10% more damage

bright mango
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Big plate good

solar maple
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lol

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the 10% damage

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why

gaunt fiber
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Yeah why

edgy arrow
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i take more than 10% more damage, if you count how i play

solar maple
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I forget about it so much

bright mango
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Yeah its just so random

edgy arrow
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its weirdly easy to forget about

bright mango
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Just to balance out how broken beo is squirtyay

daring hedge
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beo and gilga players just need to be punished a little bit extra for some reason

bright mango
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hallo tailesque

daring hedge
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greetings

edgy arrow
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tbf beo is objectively the best aspect so like

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it makes sense

wanton plover
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what about zag sword

wintry berry
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I don't know any gilga main

edgy arrow
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gilga mains aren't real

gaunt fiber
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They can't hurt you

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They hurt themselves instead

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Don't say anything about GY mains ty

edgy arrow
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GY mains aren't real either

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as in, the plural

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there's only one

wanton plover
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does fist dash special give i frames

mossy zinc
shy gulch
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objectively the best aspect huh

wintry berry
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Is it me or gilga attack is like those of the blue guys in asphodel ?

bright mango
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WHOA

gaunt fiber
daring hedge
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swipey

bright mango
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Im having deja vu of this convo for some reason

shy plinth
edgy arrow
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that's too many gilga runs

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slow down

gaunt fiber
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I'm afraid of my admin room now

daring hedge
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wait was hat a gilga main this whole time

shy plinth
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Keep in mind it has been a very good week for me and I've cleared I think 5 more 32s?

shy plinth
edgy arrow
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wait are you a gilga main

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you are the chosen one

shy plinth
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I don't think I really MAIN anything, but

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I do enjoy a good claw

wintry berry
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23 clears /28 is that your hidden pleasure ?

edgy arrow
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show us all the way

shy plinth
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Step 1. Dash strike

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Step 2. No that's it

bright mango
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A while back I thought gilgamesh was the goat for ME speedruns bcs of the extra dashes

shy plinth
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It is insane with ME

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But it was my first 32 clear and I was ME build and got AP'ed out of the duo three times

edgy arrow
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its mostly the without ME part i'm trying to figure out

daring hedge
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the little cooldown between dash sets is kinda yucky tbh

bright mango
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I got like 11 min I think with it so its not terrible

shy plinth
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@daring hedge I don't hold down the buttons

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I actively dash every time

bright mango
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But then I beat it with dem fists by like 2 minutes

shy plinth
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Dash sets seem bad so I don't use them all

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
shy plinth
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Also gilga is obv nuts with ruthless

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But I don't think that's surprising

wanton plover
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rha k u

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tha k u

daring hedge
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holding it down is good for dash builds and ruthless windows

edgy arrow
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i actually wish i could turn off the auto dash thing

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its annoying

daring hedge
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but sometimes even if you space the dashes it'll like, know when you've "used" all of them in a set

shy plinth
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Yeah

daring hedge
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and forces you to stop for a sec

shy plinth
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I mean the weapon is clearly flawed

daring hedge
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which i hate

mossy zinc
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I'd definitely take Greatest Reflex over Ruthless Reflex on Gilgamesh.

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But it works.

shy plinth
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It's very good with ME but that can be good without gilga because it's ME

gaunt fiber
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Never had this problem with gilga thanthink

daring hedge
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really? i think ruthless is extremely worth it on gilga

shy plinth
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I just think it's fun and smashy

edgy arrow
shy plinth
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I will say that if I were to pick a favorite weapon right now though, it would not be gilga

edgy arrow
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the weapon has one niche, might as well play into it

shy plinth
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But I've enjoyed many a claw run

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The niche of "having 50% extra damage" is a good niche too

daring hedge
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without ruthless, you don't get as much easy dash damage scaling etc.

shy plinth
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Normally we just call that eris

daring hedge
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the fact that it's global is so nice

edgy arrow
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yeah I think RR is the "correct" choice

shy plinth
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Except it's somehow 75% lul?

edgy arrow
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but i want that chance at 8 dashes

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i can dream

gaunt fiber
edgy arrow
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yes

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or something

bright mango
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I really want to try a dash only build with gilga

edgy arrow
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idk what i'd do with them

bright mango
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That sounds fun

edgy arrow
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its just having them that i want

gaunt fiber
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I see

mossy zinc
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I don't care much for Dash-Strikes on Gilgamesh in the first place. More dashes means more i-frames. And if I have Breaching Cross, I'll want more dashes for more Dash-Strikes to quickly delete armor.

daring hedge
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i don't care for dash-strikes on it much either

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what i'm talking about is the dash boon damage

edgy arrow
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tbh 8 dashes is enough to get yourself into lava and then back out again

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and possibly in again

gaunt fiber
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More b l a d e s

gaunt fiber
daring hedge
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better blades, better waves, better bolts

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almost constantly boosted by ruthless

edgy arrow
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how about instead of maim gilga's other gimmick is you get 4 dash boon slots instead of attack/special/cast

mossy zinc
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I don't know about constantly. I'd like to see the actual uptime on Ruthless in a run.

daring hedge
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you can watch my 50 gilga run, tbh

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it's almost always active

solar maple
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RR is active quite often in JS/FO rooms

gaunt fiber
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It's always on

daring hedge
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boosting all my thunder dash components

mossy zinc
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Since when I do watch runs? dusa

wanton plover
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zoos dash is best on gil?

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i thought it was pos

mossy zinc
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I might check it out.

edgy arrow
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otherwise idk

daring hedge
shy gulch
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i think its easy to activate RR on melee aspects

wanton plover
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i ser

shy gulch
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especially ones that dash into/through enemies a lot like gilga

solar maple
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just get splitting bolt

edgy arrow
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ez 50 heat splitting bolt

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no worries

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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Yeah it's easy to activate on Guan Yu

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But then somehow you're dead

solar maple
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I experimented with RR on beo for a while

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it's ok

edgy arrow
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one dash GY sounds absolutely horrifying

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RR beo is annoying for me

gaunt fiber
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Yeah it's really really bad

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It kills your dps

edgy arrow
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yeah

solar maple
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you don't really need 2 dashes on beo except in a few situations

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and it slows down shops and such

edgy arrow
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you're not wrong

solar maple
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because the dash slide tech kind of sucks on beo

edgy arrow
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yeah its mostly the shops/moving around that i find annoying

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since i'm so used to 2 dashes

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feels like i'm losing so much time lol

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its prolly less than i'm making with the extra damage tho idk

solar maple
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and yeah you have to be much more deliberate about how you pick up casts

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I'm still not sure which is better

edgy arrow
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i feel like if RR is better, it isn't by much

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which is my excuse for not learning it 😛

solar maple
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I was doing RR on 58 heat to have enough boss damage to make up for not having boons

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but boons are pretty important

gaunt fiber
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Boons good

edgy arrow
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RR shackle beo 58 would be insane

mossy zinc
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Just do it mirrorless like a true gamer.

edgy arrow
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idk if it would be more or less insane than regular 58

solar maple
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I think my furthest 58 run (died to heroes) was RR

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and shackle start

edgy arrow
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how was the time?

solar maple
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pretty tight

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not time out in heroes tight

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but like only an extra min for styx or so

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or maybe less

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like 30s

edgy arrow
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that's doable tho

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with a 2 sack

daring hedge
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that's honestly not too bad

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above 50 i will take anything better than overtime coming out of elysium

solar maple
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yeah for sure

gaunt fiber
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Overtime scary

solar maple
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but with no boons EM4 CP2 takes a long time

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(I did have charged shot, which was half of my damage)

edgy arrow
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yeah actually idk how long that would take with only shackle for damage

daring hedge
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oof

solar maple
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I think I had taken off shackle by elysium

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I had a mediocre cast/attack boon I think

edgy arrow
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oh fair

gaunt fiber
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Use special

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Trust me

solar maple
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no

edgy arrow
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lmao

daring hedge
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lol

solemn pulsar
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here let me try

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use special

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trust me

solar maple
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no

solemn pulsar
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well i tried

daring hedge
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will you trust me then

solar maple
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no

daring hedge
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understandable

gaunt fiber
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Pog

edgy arrow
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i'm glad pseudo exists because its pretty unlikely the beo record will be with a special build again

solar maple
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I still need to go get batteries

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but once I do I'll go on the 56 heat grind

gaunt fiber
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Without charged flight I suppose

daring hedge
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the batteries are for charging the flight

solar maple
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I'll probably be doing shackle beo

gaunt fiber
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Oh I see

edgy arrow
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once i took charged flight because i thought it was charged shot

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felt bad

gaunt fiber
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200% good number

solar maple
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I was thinking about making a beo hammer tier list

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but charged shot is so hard to rank

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it's so good

edgy arrow
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its good but also not

solar maple
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but you have to actually play the em4 fight like not a dummy

daring hedge
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i'd imagine dread flight is pretty terrible on beo without charged right

solar maple
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and you get casts lost in mobs of evil elyium enemies sometimes

gaunt fiber
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It's like serrated point except you don't die in asphodel

edgy arrow
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bright actually likes dread flight without charged for tartarus iirc

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i don't get it honestly but he's a better player than i

solar maple
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my bottom 2 tiers of the hammer list

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would be "special hammers"

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then "bad special hammers"

edgy arrow
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yeah lol

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explosive return hurray

solar maple
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if I could sell explosive return for 10 gold I would

daring hedge
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unyielding defense though

gaunt fiber
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Oof

daring hedge
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sure is unyielding

solar maple
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unyielding is actually pretty good imo

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sturdy good

edgy arrow
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^

daring hedge
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hence unyielding

edgy arrow
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its definitely mid ranked for me

solar maple
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it's basically 100% uptime too

edgy arrow
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not something i'm looking for, but something i'll take if there's nothing actually good

solar maple
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I take it pretty highly later into the run

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like in elysium I take it over wallop

edgy arrow
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oh huh

gaunt fiber
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It has sturdy

edgy arrow
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sturdy good

solar maple
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unless I have hyper

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then it does nothing

gaunt fiber
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It's a cool little thing Tailesque

daring hedge
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i knew you were gonna do this to me

gaunt fiber
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Because

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Lol

solar maple
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lol

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also the no interupt can actually be clutch in em4

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if you are a little slow to block a laser

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you don't just die

gaunt fiber
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It's legacy that has to be carried, understand me

edgy arrow
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oof being slow to block a laser

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i died to EM4 with both athena DDs and patty yesterday because apparently i forgot how lasers worked or something

gaunt fiber
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It burns

wanton plover
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nowadays i always keep a call charge or summon in case of unexpected laser to face

daring hedge
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the luxury of blocking lasers 😔

edgy arrow
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lol you don't even block when you can Tail

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i saw that beo 50

daring hedge
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you are all so mean to me

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(true though)

solar maple
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can I just say I find the difference in em4 advise between the good players and me so amusing

edgy arrow
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i mean, it worked so i can't complain

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you don't need to block, that's the impressive part

solar maple
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my advise is literally hide in the corner the whole fight lmao

daring hedge
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my shield 50+s look extremely like a non-shield player not quite realizing they are wielding a shield

gaunt fiber
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I don't really block on shield either it's a nice thing I'm not used to have

wanton plover
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but i go to your videos for guidance

solar maple
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I think charged shot em4 is actually fine now

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I just need to learn it better

unique zephyr
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how do I decide stygian vs infernal? is stygian better unless I'm going specifically for a cast build

solar maple
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I've only done that fight a few times, but I think the block strats still work

edgy arrow
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i've been doing 40s with the goal of getting charged shot and then fighting EM4 with it

solar maple
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stygian/infernal doesn't matter much on non cast builds

edgy arrow
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its not even proper superdad and i'm still pretty inconsistent

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getting better tho

unique zephyr
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let's see if EM2 will work any better

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EM2 BP2

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i can do 15 mins of play now or so

daring hedge
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charged shot superdad was honestly fun but that's definitely the rama part of my brain speaking

solar maple
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ok but I can't do rama superdad

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I barely can do rama dad no em4 lmao

edgy arrow
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oh pseudo what do you think of anvilling charged shot before superdad

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assuming your other hammer isn't amazing it think it might be worth it

solemn pulsar
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Charged shot is Rama but it’s always a power shot

solar maple
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anvil not bad if you are bad at charged shot em4

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which I am right now

edgy arrow
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yeah

solar maple
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but again, once I practice I don't think it should be too bad

edgy arrow
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my ultimate goal is to get good at charged shot EM4 for sure

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it was just something that crossed my mind

solar maple
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charged shot is just so good on RI/AP2 pacts that I feel like I have to learn it

unique zephyr
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How do I get them to spawn closer again? Or I'm not sure what you mean by this

edgy arrow
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apart from anything else, played well charged shot EM4 should be faster

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and timing out in that fight is definitely a concern for me

gaunt fiber
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Move towards the exit / near walls

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They're most likely going to spawn within your sight

solar maple
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I'm actually not sure charged shot em4 will be faster

edgy arrow
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but more damage

solar maple
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with the strats I'm thinking of

edgy arrow
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i mean you definitely can't just yolo into dad in the same way

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i feel like it should still be faster tho

solar maple
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the damage increase isn't that much vs dad

edgy arrow
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true i guess

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maybe you're right

solar maple
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only like 100 extra for every attack volley

edgy arrow
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hmm

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yeah

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guess i didn't really think about it much further than "charged shot fast"

solar maple
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it's much more important in normal rooms, where it lets you save casts

edgy arrow
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for sure

solar maple
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the range is also great obviously for speed

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over a run, charged is a huge time save

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just not in em4 imo

edgy arrow
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yeah both of which aren't as much of a concern in EM4

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yeah good points

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you're right

solar maple
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"range isn't a concern in em4"

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beo moment

edgy arrow
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lol

unique zephyr
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Got early merciful end and managed to mess it up early 😦

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I took HL2, I need to not get hit more

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I used the doom tip you all gave me and missed less so I had much mroe time at least

wanton plover
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i know the feel

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getting d edge and dying is pure misery

edgy arrow
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i've definitely lost a run or two by getting ME and then just turning my brain off

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turns out you do still need to pay attention at least a bit

wanton plover
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slow insidious killer

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confidence or something

edgy arrow
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indeed lol

unique zephyr
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how am I dying to furies now

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wtf

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is it because i'm tired or something

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is it normal for performance to be super inconsistent

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on high heat

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I'm starting to feel more and more like my hestia 32 was a fluke :/

bright mango
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Ur tilted 🙂

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That’s all

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Happens to all of us

wanton plover
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maybe it’s about the aspect

unique zephyr
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I want to get 32 on each weapon but I'm not sure when that is happening now

solar maple
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high heat is inconsistent

bright mango
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^^^

bright mango
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Be patient 🙂

solar maple
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I still don't have 32 on all weapons :p maybe I should do that sometime

unique zephyr
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also I cannot seem to do erebus gates well with fists
i think i should take a break again...even though I've only played for 20 mins

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I'll be patient tehn

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especially since I'm not super healthy right now

solar maple
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erebus gates are hard sometimes

wintry berry
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Take a break

unique zephyr
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i'll watch high heat runs but I have no idea how to learn from them

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they are entertaining to me but I don't know how to learn good play

bright mango
solar maple
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yeah I still haven't won a high heat run on bow or rail haha

bright mango
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Wow

solar maple
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I just keep trying super high heat and losing

bright mango
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Lol

unique zephyr
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maybe i'm dying much earlier now because i'm tired and grumpy

solar maple
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my bow/rail heat pbs are like 15 lmao

unique zephyr
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My bow is 19 (practice) rail 32, rest 16

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Also for AP2 high heat runs I don’t know how to learn from boon decisions and hammer bc the game makes it for you

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I do hope I get 6 x 32 eventually

wintry berry
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AP2 is hell, even for weapon not so boon/hammer reliant

unique zephyr
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Forced replacement would be rough

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I’d be pissed if I was forced to trade divine dash for passion dash

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I vented a bit too much maybe sorry about that

wintry berry
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I got divine dash replaced by hunter dash

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obviously i died some rooms after

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but that's at 50 heat

solar maple
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AP2 is its own beast

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there's a reason most weapons can't really do AP2

mossy zinc
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@unique zephyr most people haven't done 32 with one weapon. You're trying to do it with all of them.

bronze viper
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The difficulty of AP2 isn't boon selection. It tests your pure mechanical skill given nothing or very little.

edgy arrow
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my advice is to pretend AP and RI don’t exist while you’re still at 32

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nobody uses them until 40+ unless they’re deliberately using a harder pact than necessary

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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oh cool

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yeah i wasn’t sure since you mentioned AP

unique zephyr
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At the same time I mean

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Or what do you mean exactly?

bronze viper
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Pick a task. Iterate it, see improvement, Do something else. In one day you've asked questions about shortcomings across like 10 different axes lol.

edgy arrow
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10 axes huh

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didn’t know there was a axe weapon

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let alone one with 10 aspects

bronze viper
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You can get axes in the Contractor's shop

edgy arrow
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oh true

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okay jokes aside i somehow never noticed before that the plurals of axis and axe are spelled the same and now it’s really bothering me lmao

daring hedge
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never being able to wield labrys 😔

bronze viper
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So yeah, more seriously, if you want to improve with FO2, try FO2 by itself, with EM2. Then maybe add EM3. BP1, then BP2. With/without HL/LC, etc.

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It's also worth noting that improvement doesn't usually happen while you're playing. Take a break, go to sleep, let muscle memory build. Oftentimes you'll notice yourself backsliding if you push yourself too hard while you're playing. You're not getting worse. You're getting tired.

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Or tilted.

shy plinth
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Ledger is smart

bronze viper
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Oof, just got pwned by Tisiphone, don't feel so smart lol. Let's called it experienced at making mistakes.

solar maple
#

I won my first 32 heat pretty quick then lost the next 10 iirc

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doesn't mean you haven't learned

bronze viper
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TFW the game decides to prove you wrong about TD2 being completely free and you time out on room 12 from the 3rd room of savior numbskulls or bruiser thugs

solar maple
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lol

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time to go to td1

bronze viper
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lmao, must be

quartz mantle
misty zinc
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@twilit mirage

spice lava
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I'm starting to feel more and more like my hestia 32 was a fluke :/
@unique zephyr I cleared 50 with Hestia last month, that didn't mean I knew how the mechanics of other aspects and weapons work to deal damages without being hit. Moving from a long range aspect to a melee one requires training. I knew how to move and dodge ennemies, the boons and that's it. I won't magically be able to get out of Tartarus in 5 min with FO2 BP2 EM3 with any non Hestia aspect without exercise

shy plinth
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Good news: 12/24 down at 32

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Bad news: The remaining 12

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6x zag, nemesis, chaos, hades, GY, talos, lucy

shy gulch
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6x zag yikes

shy plinth
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Yeahhhhhh

edgy arrow
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okay but chaos is actually good

shy plinth
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My main concern here is not with the shields

shy gulch
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yeah GY and 6x zag is the one that looks tough

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the others should be fine

shy plinth
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Nemesis is also lowkey poopy

edgy arrow
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i mean zag shield is also actually good

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as is zag bow

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the rest, yup

shy plinth
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Rail is whatever

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Like it's not awful

edgy arrow
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yeah true

shy plinth
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Fists isn't the worst though it'll just be boring restart for ME probs

edgy arrow
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actually kinda good if you can be bothered resetting for spread fire

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which i'm too lazy to do

shy plinth
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Sword and spear are the ones I am mainly worried about

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It's fine I'll just get charged chain skewer

edgy arrow
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yeah its the two non flurryable spears lol

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can GY have chain skewer

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thought it couldn't

shy plinth
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Oh I mean zag spear

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I do not believe GY can chain

edgy arrow
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oh yeah zag spear as well

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that is flurryable

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just get flurry jab ezpz

shy plinth
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Flurry jab good

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Serrated point also good until death

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Bad after death

edgy arrow
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indeed lol

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i always make myself take it

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i'm a little better now, but for a while it was a case of "oh serrated came up, rip this run"

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because i'd force myself to take it and then die lol

shy plinth
#

Low heat: Point is insane
FO1: Okay getting hit by sweeps kinda sucks
FO2: This will kill me

edgy arrow
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pretty much

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back in the day it had no downside and was crazy

shy plinth
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Oh my goodness

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Yeah that seems insane

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Like weren't they testing -20% dash on the most recent patch

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And that was clearly way too good

edgy arrow
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oh i didn’t know about that

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i imagine it would be too good tho yeah

shy plinth
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They reverted the change so

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They agree

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Okay I said recent but it was October

spice lava
#

@bronze viper Astaos told me you might know some tips about how to clear 50 with Chiron 👀

halcyon flame
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use special

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:))

kindred granite
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Chiron/Hera 32heat suggestions?

vital grove
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I like Phalanx Hera

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And Artemis heart Rend chiron on 32

shy gulch
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personally im a fan of crush shot hera

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phalanx gets lost a bit too easily for me

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also dio special chiron is p fun as an alternate to HR chiron

vital grove
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Aph/Ares plus Dio is good but slower I found than Arty

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And chiron isn't super fast

shy gulch
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doesnt particularly matter for 32

spice lava
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Artemis or Aphrodite are good on Chiron but I have preference for Artemis (a lot of green boons like support fire are good after having the special), special is slow to spam so you can add charged shot between each special, but do this mechanic only if you're sure you won't get hurt

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Basic mistake on bow is using charged shot/powershot/special at a bad timing, making you vulnerable

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I'm supposed to do the same for my own runs but 50 Heat

spice lava
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Chiron feels like Hestia to me : strong ability to 1v1 everything but you do duels on a group of foes

solar maple
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inb4 chiron is just bad hestia

spice lava
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Yeah I see your point

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Marking + special is slower than 1 empowered shot of Hestia

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I feel like clearing 50 heat with Chiron is doing it the noble way, being Legolas for 20min

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But it's hard

solar maple
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more like 28 min :p

shy gulch
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lmao

solar maple
#

I definitely won't be doing high heat chiron any time soon

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I will grind some heat this weekend I think though

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probably be trying 50 heat on nem/rama/hestia and 56 on beo (maybe a 45 heat pos run)

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one day I will finish a bow/rail run

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chiron just seems like such a slog

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the damage already feels terrible on low heat, then add in the need for better aoe on high heat? no thanks

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you know a weapon is slow when the meta is to just start splash dash and not actually use the weapon in tart

spice lava
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Well I won't be surprised if I clear 50 heat with Chiron but AP2 decides that with hammers and boons I'll use it like a zag bow

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Which is highly possible

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Chiron = zag bow without the %crit

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Classic AP2 issue

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If you ask me why I'm trying 50 Chiron, the reason is dumb

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I saw a french tweet which was posted during november 2020 saying "If we are confined once again, tryhard Hades, heat 50 at the end of the 4 weeks"

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No news of the progression since that day and according to the tweets, Chiron is their favorite aspect

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So I'd like to clear 50 with Chiron to reply to that tweet, something like "Are you winning son? We're waiting for you"

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I understand if this looks stupid but that's how I get inspired to keep on 😂

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And Astaos wants me to do it, he likes troll and meme moves 👀

vital grove
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Chiron is just bad Zag bow

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Not really but might as well lol

gaunt fiber
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Don't lose hope

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you can dew it

spice lava
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😄

solar maple
#

some of tailesque's first comments about beo as it was coming out

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I always knew he was a gamer

edgy arrow
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meanwhile horheristo was forcing icy flare

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Tail was ahead of his time

halcyon flame
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why even bother with icy flare when snow burst is literally the same thing

edgy arrow
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you're not wrong lol

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idk its possible he wanted dem in his pool first to maximize his chances of getting snow burst

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that's like, the most favourable way i can view the decision

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even then its not a good strat

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you're better off forcing dem second since snow burst will never show on your first boon

halcyon flame
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might as well go for ice wine or something

edgy arrow
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ehh, ice wine's not good on beo

solar maple
#

something so sad about icy flare vs snow burst is that a pom on snow burst actually adds more damage than a pom on icy flare

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and snow burst pom scaling is pretty medium

edgy arrow
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lmao

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didn't know that

solar maple
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icy flare has first pom of 20% of common base damage

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pretty much every other cast has first pom of 60% common base damage

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so it starts out with bad damage, then scales 1/3rd as well

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my updated cast tier list puts it at the bottom I think, right next to ares cast

honest kernel
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shadegrief poor demeter

solar maple
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in pretty much all situations snow burst + zag cast is more damage than icy flare

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and with that you can still get an actual cast haha

mossy zinc
#

Sorry, but all the first comments about Beowulf were in the Blood Price beta channel that no longer exists. squirtnya

honest kernel
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this is true

mossy zinc
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And you could argue those were poor takes considering Cast didn't matter on the Aspect of +400% Charged Flight. squirtnya

honest kernel
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good thing I could cheese a high heat run while it lasted squirtyay

mossy zinc
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You mean succeed with your superior skill. squirtnya

honest kernel
mossy zinc
halcyon flame
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beo special supremacy

mossy zinc
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It's the only way to play the aspect, honestly.

honest kernel
#

pressing cast before I attack is too much effort

mossy zinc
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Why press two buttons when you can do it with just one.

spice lava
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Then press cast after your attack 😏

mossy zinc
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Too much effort.

edgy arrow
#

ya'll should actually press cast during your attack

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actually less effort

solar maple
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I preload 1 usually then just do the rest during the rush

spice lava
#

Less effort doesn't change the effort issue

solar maple
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by preload I mean during the attack

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or before

mossy zinc
#

But last I heard, most of your runs end in failure. So how's that working out for you? squirtnya

edgy arrow
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most of my runs end is success honestly

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its just a matter of what i'm trying to do

solar maple
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most of my runs definitely do end in failure

edgy arrow
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so long as i'm not trying to beat hades, ez success

solar maple
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but a good portion of those are 56 or 58 heat runs

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so understandable tbh

spice lava
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It's time to create a software to autopress cast each frame it's available

edgy arrow
#

that would actually slow you down lol

solar maple
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I think I could do 50 heat quite consistently

mossy zinc
edgy arrow
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50 heat all beo casts when

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streak it

solar maple
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hmmm

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ares cast would be hard

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and dem cast

edgy arrow
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true

gaunt fiber
#

50 heat beo is 46

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change my mind

edgy arrow
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i have faith in you

solar maple
#

the others are all definitely doable at 50

mossy zinc
#

Here's a tip for those two casts on Beowulf:

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Use your Special.

solar maple
#

ares would be the hardest I think

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I might try mirrorless cast beo this weekend

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at like 40 heat or so

edgy arrow
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oh yeah i've been meaning to put some time into that

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32 mirrorless was actually not that bad

solar maple
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maybe the end goal will be mirrorless 50 👀

edgy arrow
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well, i did it in one try so either its not that bad or i'm lucky

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probably a bit of both

spice lava
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Thebeolympics games of pseudo 2021

solar maple
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50 seems rough though

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since em4 is probably out of the question

mossy zinc
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@spice lava why is your tag @gaunt fiber's boyo?

solar maple
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40 very doable

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for 50 probably AP1 DC0 LC2 CF0 JS2 EM3 (hell mode) or something

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but that seems rough

edgy arrow
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i feel like mirrorless is a great way of continuing your quest to convince people the supposedly no go beo pacts are workable

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oof

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yeah that is rough

solar maple
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cf0 purely to please tyler

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and because you need to buy all the healing you can

edgy arrow
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the only alternative is be retrash and get absurdly good at EM4 tho

solar maple
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yeah I mean I've done no SD em4 before

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but on 1 cast?

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no thanks

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maybe with full health it's doable

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buying a ton of hearts and such

spice lava
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@mossy zinc This is a story of 2 french runners who met on a twitch tchat, one was talking bad about GY, the other was denying his 50 heat experience

edgy arrow
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i mean, its definitely doable in theory

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its just a matter of how much time is needed to actually achieve it

gaunt fiber
edgy arrow
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i guess the same can be said of 64 heat tho lol

solar maple
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uh no

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well for rama I guess

edgy arrow
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theoretically doable does not equal practical

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oh yeah i meant in general not for beo

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not really meaning to imply those two are equivalent either

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idk what i'm trying to say lol

solar maple
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I'm still excited for the 64 heat route

edgy arrow
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same

solar maple
#

actually you convinced me I think mirrorless beo 50 probably wants em4

edgy arrow
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lol i didn't even make an argument

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i was just rambling

mossy zinc
#

Would you say it was a pseudo argument?

solar maple
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I realized I forgot about cp

edgy arrow
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CP bad

solar maple
#

so the pact I mentioned would have to either take JS3 and time out

edgy arrow
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honestly time will be a huge deal

solar maple
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or take CF and not be able to buy health

edgy arrow
#

yeah...

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that's a bit of a problem

mossy zinc
#

Just get Fully Loaded and Mirage Shot in Tartarus.

edgy arrow
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oh smart

solar maple
#

ez

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or just get +cast chaos

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since fully loaded was patched out in nighty night update

edgy arrow
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lmao

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its true

solar maple
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my 1.0 file has picked up fully loaded twice

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and never in a speedrun or high heat run

mossy zinc
#

I've been told it's very easy to get with AP2 if you use the right mod that lets you select any boon you want.

edgy arrow
#

now its "legendary" in the sense that its literally just a legend

solar maple
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1000 attempts, 2 fully loadeds

mossy zinc
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I haven't personally tried it, but it might be worth looking into.

solar maple
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0.5% of runs

edgy arrow
#

have you done 1000 beo attempts

solar maple
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no

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more like 200 on that file

edgy arrow
#

oh i was gonna say that's a lot

solar maple
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yeah I'm not that much of a 1 trick

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beo is only my most played speedrun aspect by a bit

gaunt fiber
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1000 attempts on a weapon

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who would do that

solar maple
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like 10-20% more than the 2nd

edgy arrow
#

how many GY runs are you at now, Astaos?

solar maple
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for high heat it's most of what I play though

gaunt fiber
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I'm afraid to check

vital grove
gaunt fiber
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But I'll do it for you

vital grove
#

It's probably some sort of Greek letter

edgy arrow
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do it

gaunt fiber
#

hm

edgy arrow
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my face when its more than my total runs or something

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hm?

gaunt fiber
edgy arrow
#

nice

solar maple
#

that's more than my total runs on my main save

edgy arrow
#

that is more than my total runs lmao

gaunt fiber
#

to be fair, 50 heat did boost that number

solar maple
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adding all my saves together I think I'm a bit ahead

edgy arrow
#

that curve is inspirational

gaunt fiber
#

I don't see a curve :D

edgy arrow
#

its more of an L shape really

solar maple
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48 clears LMAO

vital grove
#

That's more than my total runs. By about 900 runs.

solar maple
#

5% win rate

gaunt fiber
#

Not too bad tbh

solar maple
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that's high heat for you

gaunt fiber
#

50 heat destroyed my winrate

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I used to be at 12%

edgy arrow
#

wait that's also not your GY speed pb

vital grove
#

Wait, you havent yet done 50?

edgy arrow
#

so you've actually done more than this

gaunt fiber
solar maple
#

I just love that you have way more clears on non GY aspects

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than GY

vital grove
#

Then 50 is impossible

solar maple
#

despite like all your runs being on GY

gaunt fiber
#

It's very possible

solar maple
#

50 GY is possible

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just very hard

vital grove
#

Astaos has not done 50, 50 is impossible

gaunt fiber
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lmao

vital grove
#

pulls out a gun

gaunt fiber
#

It will be done soon enough

vital grove
#

Impossible

pseudo kernel
#

boys im gonna do 32 heat soon

edgy arrow
#

yeah if Astaos can't do 50 GY it can't be real

pseudo kernel
#

give me zeus shield builds

gaunt fiber
#

I'm better now

solar maple
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zeus^2 is good

edgy arrow
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yeah when you do it it will become real

pseudo kernel
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and ways to do good

gaunt fiber
#

My goal is to get it by the end of the week

celest grail
#

zeus shield ME with athena on special is very defensive

edgy arrow
celest grail
#

and still has decent dmg

vital grove
#

Once Astaos has completed GY 50 then it will have become possible, most certainly

edgy arrow
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i believe

solar maple
#

he'll get it for sure

celest grail
#

zeus on zeus also works. heartrend also works

edgy arrow
#

are you gonna go for the record after that?

gaunt fiber
#

Not right after

edgy arrow
#

fair

gaunt fiber
#

Brain needed some help on 40

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I'll help him on that

vital grove
#

Always ready to help his fellow man

#

What a brave and inspirational hero.

gaunt fiber
#

lol

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That's too much

vital grove
#

hero

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You don't often get past Elysium because you belong in Elysium

gaunt fiber
#

hey, I did

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But

edgy arrow
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what's the bet Astaos does like 10k runs on GY and then switches to an easier aspect and one shots 64 heat

vital grove
#

On Zag Spear

gaunt fiber
#

I'll have to find a fun aspect to play

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I have the patience for the grind I think

vital grove
#

What tends to happen in your 50 runs?

gaunt fiber
#

But 60 territory, I don't think so. I'd need a ton of practice

gaunt fiber
vital grove
#

Ah

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Have you tried Td2?

gaunt fiber
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I'll try TD2 today

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But I want to believe that Ely free rooms exist

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and that unarmored foes are not the rule

vital grove
#

It'd be nice to get like Zeus or doom spin for dc2

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Take it a bit slower and safer

#

Is skull 100 hp on GY or 50 hp?

gaunt fiber
#

100

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tooth huge

vital grove
#

You're doing ap2?

gaunt fiber
#

AP1 atm

vital grove
#

If you're just throwing runs at the wall ap2 might be better

gaunt fiber
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AP2 taught me a lot

solar maple
#

what does a 50 heat GY pact look like anyway?

vital grove
#

Pain 😕

gaunt fiber
#

but at the end of the day with TD3 you need either quick + massive or charged skewer

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so AP1 is good for my nerves

vital grove
#

AP2 Td2 might be worth a few attempts

gaunt fiber
#

Yes

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I will try

solar maple
#

td2

edgy arrow
vital grove
#

There is no try. Hesitation is defeat.
Bring us his head.

gaunt fiber
#

current pact

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Used to AP2 with no CP and -1 JS

solar maple
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oh that's my beo pact with em4 and RI2 swapped. Makes sense

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seems brutal though

gaunt fiber
#

It's brutal

solar maple
#

25 hp

gaunt fiber
#

You need charged skewer power to get through JS and CP

solar maple
gaunt fiber
#

25hp is

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Well you get used to it

edgy arrow
#

25 hp is hilariously low

solar maple
#

I'm too scared for 50 hp haha

edgy arrow
#

i once did a mirroless GY run, got one shot by a thug room 2

solar maple
#

lol

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah gotta be careful of the BPs

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sometimes you don't exist anymore before realizing it

#

Asphodel is reaaally dangerous

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if you failed to grab some health or not hit the furies, it's one mistake per room

edgy arrow
#

oof yeah

gaunt fiber
#

(usually I take one hit against the furies)

edgy arrow
#

with HL5 and HS you might as well have 1 hp half the time

gaunt fiber
#

yeah

solar maple
#

wait you die from full hp to spikes lmao

edgy arrow
#

on the bright side, its really easy to reset

solar maple
#

also if you do try AP2 I might just do CP0 JS2 instead of td2

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td2 stinky

vital grove
#

Yeah

#

Seems like a good idea

#

My reasoning with TD2 is if he mostly loses to the clock at heroes he doesn't really care what the game throws at him

solar maple
#

yeah but with AP2 I think heroes fight would be tough

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CP0 should mitigate boss difficulty quite a bit, and hopefully make the timer not too bad

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still AP2 slot machine though

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I'm not really sure how well GY does with AP2 in the first place though

#

if you do go td2 though I guess DC is worth considering

unique zephyr
#

I thought I played a lot lol

solar maple
#

we've played a lot of hades

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we're not just hades prodigies

#

I have over 1k runs and that's not even that high relative to some of the other people on this channel

spice lava
#

When did you start the game?

#

I only have 151 clears on my main save, the number of clear runs or attempts aren't relevant

edgy arrow
#

i think attempts are kinda relevant

#

at high heat most runs are losses

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and that's still valid experience

solar maple
#

I started on steam release in EA

unique zephyr
#

I started in December 2020

edgy arrow
#

ofc there's also a bunch that are resets and its hard to account for those lol

unique zephyr
#

Or a bit before that

#

Like November

edgy arrow
#

i started at the steam EA release as well

unique zephyr
#

Late 2020 at any rate

#

Lemme check later

edgy arrow
#

i've definitely put more hours in than average for someone of my level of skill lol

#

it takes me a long time to learn anything in this game for some reason

spice lava
#

Yeah but the game is cruel, 1k attempts does not mean the same quality experience between 2 players with the same numbers

solar maple
#

"attempts" is also not a very good measure

edgy arrow
#

sure

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hours is really the only half decent measure

solar maple
#

resets up your attempts so much faster than actually playing

edgy arrow
#

even that's not perfect

solar maple
#

I have about 600 hours in hades

edgy arrow
#

same

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and you're much better than me

solar maple
#

eh not really

edgy arrow
#

so obviously not the best measure

#

um yes

unique zephyr
#

I have a bit over 210 hours

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I also started with god mode bc first action game I never realized I would want to get good lol

edgy arrow
#

i can barely do beo 50 and that's the heat you meme at lol

spice lava
#

I started early December, considering the hour measure, it took me 332 hours to get 53 last weekend

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But I only shine on Hestia and it's fine

edgy arrow
#

don't downplay 53

#

that's a big number

spice lava
#

My regret is that Hestia choosed me

solar maple
#

beo chose me

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it happens sometimes

edgy arrow
#

beo hasn't chosen me but i'm trying to convince it to

solar maple
#

lol

spice lava
#

Using my Hestia's abilities on another aspect doesn't work well atm

solar maple
#

it's very odd. My success in high heat beo was much faster than in speedruns

spice lava
#

But I still have pleasure learning things so meh

solar maple
#

maybe I just don't have the right mentality for speedrunning

quartz mantle
#

The mentality for speedrunning is equipping Eris and smashing your face on your keyboard

solar maple
#

nah I don't play much eris these days

#

not very fun imo

#

for speedruns I mostly do aspect of the week recently (or beo sometimes)

#

and I still haven't bought batteries LMAO

edgy arrow
#

imagine if we did aspect of the week for heat

solar maple
#

they do

edgy arrow
#

do they

solar maple
#

they just added a heat leaderboard to it

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for this week

edgy arrow
#

i just don't pay attention

#

apparently

solar maple
#

talos fists is the one this week

wanton plover
#

where

spice lava
#

I'm probably like pseudo, there's a secret spicy flavor by manipulating the aspects at 50 heat

solar maple
#

on the speedrunning discord

wanton plover
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oh ok

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thanks

solar maple
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high heat beo was lots of fun because I could create my own strategies

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and they somehow worked

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lmao

edgy arrow
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ye thanks for doing that btw

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now i don't have to do thinking

solar maple
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with speedrunning it feels like banging my head into a wall trying to do the same thing as someone else but worse

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idk I like the adaption/innovation in high heat

edgy arrow
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its honestly still fairly unexplored territory yeah

solar maple
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and you can always fiddle with the pact to mix things up

edgy arrow
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its amazing how often someone asks a seemingly basic pact question and we give them like 3 different answers

solar maple
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until 57 😦

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then no fiddling

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yeah lol

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but I'm also crazy enough to have legitimately enjoyed call%

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so I guess high heat is natural haha

unique zephyr
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Right now I think I prefer learning high heat to speed running

spice lava
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Pausing the game at any heat is feels like breaking the rhythm of the speed stuff

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I accept it at high heat because it's a survival issue

solar maple
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I don't mind the pausing so much. It's mostly just that I get into a bad mentality from the rng

wintry berry
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I've never done speedrun

solar maple
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it stops me from focusing on improving as I should be

wintry berry
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I'm a slowrunner

solar maple
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I've done lots of speedruns, I still enjoy them

quartz mantle
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I've done one 32 heat speedrun that was sub 15

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But like that's about it

gentle lantern
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im thinking of doing 32 heat for the first time, any tips?

quartz mantle
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I mostly find enjoyment in pushing heat

solar maple
gentle lantern
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fists

wintry berry
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Don't get hit, take your time hitting things even with TD1

gentle lantern
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hmm maybe i should try for a merciful end build

solar maple
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ME is strong if you can get it going

quartz mantle
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You can do ME at 32

solar maple
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for the pact I would stay away from all RI and AP

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routine inspection and approval process

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they will make it way to hard to find ME, and are generally terrible

gentle lantern
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i always use dd but should i switch to sd?

solar maple
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either is fine

quartz mantle
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If you put on LC4

solar maple
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for 32

wintry berry
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SD makes LC4 free

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so 4 free heat

solar maple
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SDs make BP2 much easier as well

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as it can be hard to keep DDs in hard BP2 rooms

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but bosses get tricky sometimes

gentle lantern
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which companion do yall recommend

quartz mantle
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If you're trying to shoot for ME I'd stay away from Convenience Fee as well

solar maple
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I usually go meg

quartz mantle
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Meg is fast and strong and reliable for burning down minibosses

solar maple
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antos is also sometimes used if the fury fight is hard for you

quartz mantle
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But they all have their uses

solar maple
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bouldy is good with DDs to heal sometimes

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also I assume demeter fists? those are the standard choice

gentle lantern
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yeah

quartz mantle
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I'd say don't be afraid to turn on Tight Deadline 3

solar maple
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if you are used to going fast TD3 is good

quartz mantle
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It may seem scary but playing fast can get you in the 5 minute per biome pace pretty easily

wintry berry
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If you have TD3, avoid CP and JS