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#h1-high-heat-strategies
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solemn pulsar
its faster to say the stuff i'm not running
bronze viper
Also also may want to avoid the icky BP2 rooms, like Shifter + Speeder Chariots or Cloner + Seeker Witches
true fable
really?
solemn pulsar
HL1 (hell mode restriction)
LC1
JS3 (to see what the rooms are like)
CP1
RI3 (so i have 1 dash only)
I think that's it
true fable
huh
solemn pulsar
you can't route BP for some reason
true fable
ok
bronze viper
Really? That's interesting
solemn pulsar
i'm not bothering too much
there's only like 1 super dicey room
and i'm through elysium now
daring hedge
Speeder slugger greatshields exist outside of conventional reality rules
edgy arrow
is kane still routing
solemn pulsar
kane is not to my knowledge
if they were they would have done this route already tbh
also i'm really sad
edgy arrow
yeah
solemn pulsar
i almost routed it so cold fusion was the UC selling boon for all 3 biomes
dire steppe
LOL
solemn pulsar
but it's just crystal beam in asphodel
dire steppe
cold frustration is op though
solemn pulsar
400 gold on CF2 is OP too
dire steppe
funvenience key
bronze viper
Lmao, Delta Chamber Zag rail, the disrespect.
bronze viper
Targetting System Splitting Bolt is pretty lit
true fable
i would take targeting or hazard tbh
quartz mantle
Hazard is funny
true fable
hazard is stupid dmg
edgy arrow
targeting is really good
quartz mantle
I like to take Hazard on Eris because it's funny
bronze viper
If you didn't have Splitting I'd say take Hazard
true fable
^
true fable
more flat damage boons means targeting is better, less means hazard is better
i just like being able to use hazard when i can
since i usually cant
honest kernel
hazard is rly fun yeah
true fable
deadly flourish hazard crits do so much dmg to dad
edgy arrow
hazard is probably quite good but it just feels weird to me
i’ve played eris more than other rails so i feel like i should be standing in my special
north dove
I want to like hazard but then I remember the baby hestia Tailesque stream
quartz mantle
You still should
wym
You just stack revenge boons with it
Eris damage buff to revenge boons with hazard bomb
Literally win win
quartz mantle
Quick Recovery to take less damage obviously
honest kernel
makes sense
edgy arrow
it’s pretty small, like 5% or something maybe
honest kernel
time to crit yourself 
quartz mantle
I was just under the impression that everything was additive outside of crits and multiple instances of damage like triple or twin shot
true fable
I want to like hazard but then I remember the baby hestia Tailesque stream
wait what happened with hazard?
edgy arrow
there’s a couple weird exceptions
since this is a thing that damages the player it makes sense for it to be one
true fable
well hazard changes base damage unova
north dove
it was impossible to hit dad with it
quartz mantle
True
true fable
anything that changes base damage is multiplicative
flying cutter
explosive upper
etc
edgy arrow
^
sorry i thought you were talking 1% thing being multiplicative
yeah any hammer that says base damage is multiplicative
the charged ones also do this
true fable
you know whats super unbalanced
rocket being both better in mechanism and higher in base damage than rail special
quartz mantle
I'm used to Risk of Rain where base damage buffs are usually pretty minimal and you're looking for total damage buffs
so my mind saw base damage and went "meh"
true fable
yeah RoRs funny like that
edgy arrow
i have no idea how the math works in RoR
true fable
im playing 2 rn and my instinct was to go for base damage buffs
quartz mantle
Well cause everything is multiplicative in that game
edgy arrow
i just smash buttons and hope in that game
quartz mantle
So total damage makes sense to be stronger
edgy arrow
makes sense
bronze viper
I'm used to Risk of Rain where base damage buffs are usually pretty minimal and ...
I had the opposite reaction when I started RoR2 after playing this game lol. I saw Sticky Bomb scaling and got so hype
quartz mantle
Well yea bleed is crazy but that's cause of it's stacking
mossy zinc
If base damage was multiplicative, then having no Attack boon would mean you do zero damage. 
quartz mantle
Petition to rename the role to Goderators
tropic stream
gl
true fable
best of luck
shy plinth
What's your pact
Also build around Athena with either Merciful End, Deadly Reversal, or both and you have to actually pay attention to fight mechanics during dad
main wasp
@tropic stream Gilgamesh, Athena stuff, Gilgamesh and Enkidu at Uruk
Achilles, his arms open
shy plinth
Asterius, his eyes red!
And yeah like I just cleared dem fists last night
ME by itself is not enough to just faceroll
Acorn disapppears so fast and sweeps still hurt
What pact are you running
solar maple
the key to winning with melee weapons is to just get every athena boon
tropic stream
i don't have a set pact?
solar maple
in my experience
tropic stream
i'm just changing it with the aspect
shy plinth
What did you try for your last fists run
tropic stream
i didn't
tropic stream
i'm starting fist runs rn
solar maple
Zeus attack dem fists is quite consistent
sullen minnow
I did 32 fists more conventionally with zeus attack and arty special dem fists
solar maple
try to get athena dash to stay safe
tropic stream
but what would i put on special
shy plinth
Arty is almost always the special
tropic stream
alright
solar maple
special you just slap something that does damage
true fable
just run dem fists yeah
solar maple
usually arty
true fable
gilga is so much work lol
sullen minnow
yeah
tropic stream
but dash dash haha funny
shy plinth
If you want to be REALLY safe you can go athena on attack and special
sullen minnow
Dem/zeus/artemis is a cannon
shy plinth
And do deadly reversal
shy plinth
But zeus is better for room clear
tropic stream
i think i can probably do it
sullen minnow
Athena is a great choice for safety
true fable
i like athena attack arty special for fists
tropic stream
what stuff do i run?
true fable
i know when crepes used to play fists he would start arty special and take the first good attack boon
tropic stream
i'm always gonna run
HL2
LC4
DC2
EM3
MM
BP2
UC
TD2
that's what i have in terms of mainstay heat
main wasp
reminder, playing Rush of the Wind while playing Rama will give you a higher chance to win
tropic stream
but i don't know hwat else to add on
shy plinth
#h1-victory-boasting message this is what I ran yesterday
tropic stream
that would work
sullen minnow
DC2 on the table with zeus fists?
true fable
o yea
solar maple
honestly the first few HL you feel the most
true fable
o yea
tropic stream
forgot fo1
solar maple
DC2 is fine with fists
shy plinth
I ran FO2 HL0
true fable
dc2 all the way in fists
tropic stream
yeah i already added the DC2
true fable
^
true fable
i would say JS2 or 3 even but depends on your speeder level
true fable
i always say CF1 but others seem to do CF2 and be fine
sullen minnow
Honestly for 32 I wouldn’t sneeze at 2
shy plinth
Really just depends if you need the heat but I feel like you'd prefer less CF
tropic stream
okay then
shy plinth
CF kinda sucks
sullen minnow
It’s dem fists
true fable
CF2 is such a punishing one heat
sullen minnow
If you get 2 good boons that’s like 80% of your build
true fable
just put the one heat somewhere else it hurts less
shy plinth
Ehhhhh
sullen minnow
But others probably know more than I
true fable
id say the opposite
shy plinth
I like buying support boons
true fable
fists dont have high base damage
shy plinth
Support boons make me kill enemies faster
true fable
weapons with low base damage need boons to scale
shy plinth
Like we really want hunter's mark and support fire
edgy arrow
more boon = more win
sullen minnow
Artemis in particular excels with her background kit
Yeah hunters mark and support fire fists chefs kiss
true fable
if you run zeus fists you NEED jolted
shy plinth
Yeah
And tbh buying a hermes boon is not the craziest thing to do
Hyper delivery = clear
sullen minnow
^^^^
Even just hyper sprint is huge for fists
Between the movement and the sturdy
true fable
people rly run CF2 and UC and wonder how they end with 0 boons
tropic stream
tfw
true fable
its maffs innit
shy plinth
It's surprisingly easy to show too
HL is 20% more damage
CF is 40% more cost
One heat for 40% is awful
It seems free because it's non combat related and then you time out in elysium because you do no damage
true fable
yup
or you play hestia/rama
or hades spear/arthur
its funny because
hestia and rama dont need boons because theyre good
solar maple
CF is usually the ~40th heat I take on most weapons
true fable
but when i try to play hades spear or arthur
theres no boons i can think of that would help
i just kind of cry
edgy arrow
lmao
sullen minnow
lolllll
solar maple
like hades spear, arthur, hestia, w/e
edgy arrow
step 1 get deadly strike step 2 be Peach ez high heat arthur
true fable
lol
edgy arrow
that only works with fists tho
true fable
akeri3
edgy arrow
lmao i can’t even read that back with a straight face
dire steppe
akeri3 is the betst weapon
daring hedge
It's fine as long as you don't take that last point of HL
edgy arrow
apparently lmao
solar maple
think about it like this
true fable
i wonder how high tailesque will have to push hades spear before i stop slandering it
solar maple
beo is such a powerful weapon that they had to give it a huge drawback to balance it
true fable
probably 57
dire steppe
ri4 requires you to use the power of 🧿 🇼 🧿
solar maple
each point of HL is TWICE as bad as that massive drawback
true fable
everything except TD3 and RI3
daring hedge
Is 53 not good enough for you
solar maple
obviously avoiding that is essential
edgy arrow
beo is such a powerful weapon that they had to give it a huge drawback to balanc...
the drawback is that every high heat player thinks beo is garbage past 50 except you
true fable
i have cleared 50 once with beo
i might return now that i sub7ed
but
i still want to beat bajs anyheat record
before i do 50+
true fable
special is very strong?
north dove
🙂
daring hedge
Lmao
shy plinth
The trick to 50+ beo is charged flight shackle obv
solar maple
I really just don't understand hades spear
but I see how it could be fun if you learn it
shy plinth
It's like guan yu without healing
main wasp
@solar maple i's easy, you spin me right round
edgy arrow
i like watching Tail play hades spear
daring hedge
It is fun
edgy arrow
i don’t like playing it myself
waxen relic
The Trick for RI3 is less AP btw 
shy plinth
Tail and ledger both like hades spear because it makes the game harder lol
"you have to pay attention to mechanics"
edgy arrow
ledger likes hades spear?
halcyon flame
"you have to pay attention to mechanics"
thus, the game is harder™️
edgy arrow
that weapon is somehow the same as rama confirmed
bronze viper
I like Deadly Strike Achilles more but I die more often because my heart tells me to unga bunga when my brain tells me "those are speeder greatshields"
main wasp
is Pom blossom also best for high heat too?
daring hedge
I like to apply my evil little debuffs on enemies before attacking ok
shy plinth
I think mom blossom is a meme
main wasp
which keepsake I pick then
north dove
pom blossom optimal for seeded kinda
shy plinth
But maybe I'm wrong about that one
bright mango
is Pom blossom also best for high heat too?
NO
well for seeded yeah
retrash right
edgy arrow
But maybe I'm wrong about that one
no no it’s a meme
daring hedge
Well it's a meme but also kinda not
main wasp
so any recommendations for hte keepsake?
waxen relic
Hades Spear is good for playing not Flurry Jab, not Guan Yu, but Charged explosive Skewer
shy plinth
Are you doing 32?
main wasp
32, Rama
edgy arrow
it’s definitely a meme
shy plinth
Oh 32 take a god keepsake
solar maple
I've done pom blossom 50 heat beo
I do not reccomend it
I also tried it for 58 heat
edgy arrow
why
solar maple
also do not recommend
main wasp
I usually pick Ares for bow but I dunno now
daring hedge
Lol
shy plinth
My favorite part of pom blossom is the room 1 hammer and the first boon is room 5
main wasp
well damn, now I'm confused
solar maple
if you get cast start pom blossom lets you actually level up casts with AP2
true fable
mom blossom start on poseidon sword is beautiful
daring hedge
Have you never heard of ello's patented mom pom poseidon
edgy arrow
i have
true fable
on everything except dem start
main wasp
what do
edgy arrow
i’m highly suspicious of it
true fable
its so fun
solar maple
but also my 50 heat pom blossom run turned into zeus cast memes
main wasp
ok hell it, I'm picking Ares keep to get Doom special
daring hedge
Memes give birth to new memes
edgy arrow
actually all builds are memes
shy plinth
ok hell it, I'm picking Ares keep to get Doom special
On rama I usually go arty for attack
daring hedge
actually all builds are memes
Truth
true fable
dem start you cry into both palms and accept your level 3 snow burst and 0 rolls
so heres the idea behind mom blossom poseidon sword
main wasp
ok lads, one final opinion, Arti or Ares start??
shy plinth
Okay level 3 snow burst is sick
solar maple
why do dem/ares cast have terrible pom scaling
true fable
it gives you poms when you need it
solar maple
it pisses me off
true fable
in tart
shy plinth
I can think of very few times if any where I would tartarus ares keepsake
daring hedge
Arti for bow hands down taft
main wasp
aight, Arti start
true fable
but you cant control what that cast is
shy plinth
Just get a big attack and then tart is free
true fable
thats the price you pay for having a level 5 cast
that to me is worth
unless you get dem start
then as mentioned before you cry
solar maple
yeah dem start I just reset
solar maple
if I don't get snow burst obviously
true fable
yeah but you usually will have to get snow burdt
solemn pulsar
if it's dem start you have to roll for burst
true fable
which is hard
edgy arrow
yeah sure but it’s only a couple of poms worth in tart
true fable
you have to roll, and then maybe roll twice
daring hedge
Just game better and find poms instead of hearts smh
solar maple
a couple of poms is quite nice
solemn pulsar
tbh take beam and high roll for a cast replacement
solar maple
often the difference between phasing furies and not
true fable
poms in tart are better since theyre specific
you can guarantee theyll hit your cast
or in the case of the dreaded ares start
your curse of agony
solar maple
a lv 3 common cast is twice the damage of a lv 1 common cast
edgy arrow
but surely it’s only really 1 pom on the cast
unless you pick up literally nothing else
true fable
i did a 40 heat mom pom poseidon sword run a few weeks back
daring hedge
tbh take beam and high roll for a cast replacement
Truly wristebigbrain
gaunt fiber
today was perdable
true fable
so youre gonna run into nectars and poms too naturally
those have a higher chance of going into your cast in tart
esp early
edgy arrow
sure but those you get either way
and once you have a few poms, the value of those extra ones from mom pom plummets
true fable
you do, but usually your first natural pom/nectar will coincide
with your blossom pom
and while its true that poms have diminishing returns
you almost never stop pomming casts
daring hedge
Cast poms good
true fable
like its never bad to pom your cast on a cast build
edgy arrow
i don’t disagree
bronze viper
Some boons don't fall off from poms lol. Drunken Dash Mom pom the dream
true fable
what im trying to say is
a high level cast/curse of agony can be more consistent than having the same level 3 zeus cast in elysium
even if you cant choose which cast that is
edgy arrow
yeah you’ve got a point
bronze viper
8/8 if you believe
true fable
5.5/8
edgy arrow
is anyone really doing this for heat tho, or is it just speedruns
daring hedge
Trippy shot stinky
true fable
theres the 0.5
its mostly been speedruns and then a couple 40 runs ive done for funsies
tropic stream
what are the 2/8
true fable
ares/dem
true fable
ares you can at least cop out and go merciful end
dem youve just got nothing
you cry
edgy arrow
honestly i should prolly give this a try myself
i actually like poseidon, kinda uniquely of the swords
true fable
its very flexible
edgy arrow
i also like arthur, but haha no 40 was enough for me there
true fable
its going to sound very obvious
but i liked poseidon a lot more once i started thinking of it as zag with a big ol cast
main wasp
how annoying is HL4
bronze viper
Equally annoying as HL5?
bronze viper
Lmao wut
true fable
if youre gonna HL4 you might as well HL5
edgy arrow
^
true fable
i think is ledgers point
main wasp
Geronimo
edgy arrow
like you can yeet your cast and then just keep doing zag sword stuff
idk how to do zag sword stuff haha
true fable
LOL
main wasp
time to be a family God
edgy arrow
should maybe learn sometime
true fable
idk how to do zag sword stuff haha
special dash strike dash strike? get hit? cry?
edgy arrow
yeah that’s what i do
main wasp
heat 32, Rama, best waifu keepsake, Guile's theme playing in the background
true fable
but poseidon sword you can mix it up and do cast dash strike dash strike sometimes
main wasp
alright, Artemis attack on first boon
bronze viper
@daring hedge For AP2 Rama, you start Arrowhead. Are you good with Deadly Strike or do you intentionally go for Hunter Dash + Shackle?
daring hedge
I settle for either deadly strike or hunter dash pretty much, then adjust based on whether I got strike or dash
bronze viper
Aight. Trying 53 tonight, we'll see how that goes.
I tried Superdad... hrm... maybe some other day
daring hedge
Good luck!
edgy arrow
53 big
edgy arrow
good luck ledger
daring hedge
You dash strike sir
true fable
i guess you need shackle
solar maple
is barrel roll still happening or was that just a feb thing
daring hedge
Yeah like, dash and no shackle is fine for tart really
true fable
thereve been a couple wild AP1 runs where i was like
quartz mantle
It's a pretty good dash strike damage buff
true fable
yeah i can settle for dash
daring hedge
But onward, you need shackle or Atk boon
edgy arrow
is barrel roll still happening or was that just a feb thing
technically it was a january thing
edgy arrow
but it doesn’t have an end date
north dove
end date : jan 1st 2022
true fable
new monthly when
main wasp
we cannot post images here right
quartz mantle
It ends when someone gets 65 heat
true fable
lol
north dove
webp 
quartz mantle
tiny image
edgy arrow
imgur hates dio beo confirmed
daring hedge
I'm not experienced enough with beo to have a strong opinion on flare
solar maple
I need to update my flare tier list
true fable
string opinions 🤔
solar maple
zeus cast is better than dem cast
true fable
does that warrant a change
edgy arrow
I need to update my flare tier list
zeus at the top i assume?
true fable
thats like hades spear being better than arthur
solemn pulsar
"i'd rather eat a banana peel than an apple core"
is what I hear there pseudo
edgy arrow
lol
true fable
they still cant sit at the big kids table
edgy arrow
shackle beo is a great sandbox to be fair
solemn pulsar
"i'd rather eat the dog turd in the sandbox than the one outside the sandbox"
true fable
LOL
daring hedge
Peach head malding
solar maple
idk it was actually pretty good damage vs em4
main wasp
but muh hammer
solemn pulsar
you are guaranteed 2 hammers pretty much
true fable
im surprised peach hasnt taken away my VIP yet with how much i make fun of arthur
bronze viper
What aspect?
solemn pulsar
you are not guaranteed a single more artemis
main wasp
alright lads, WAIFU PICK IT IS
solemn pulsar
im surprised peach hasnt taken away my VIP yet with how much i make fun of arthu...
how many streams do you have vip/mod on jfc
true fable
:^)
true fable
its facts i look pretty with a pink diamond next to my name
main wasp
is dash strike on bow any important
true fable
uh yes
main wasp
because I got epic Pressure point
edgy arrow
take dash
daring hedge
Lol
true fable
unless you need divine dash
bronze viper
99% of the your attacks should be dash strikes
main wasp
I would not mind divine dash
edgy arrow
take hunter dash even if you need divine dash
it’s so good it’s worth it even if you die
bronze viper
Take both
bronze viper
Hunter Dash + Repulse Shot = Divine Dash?!?
true fable
🧠
main wasp
Rejject Than, embrace best waifu
true fable
rare chaos dash strike + divine dash = both
edgy arrow
Hunter Dash + Repulse Shot = Divine Dash?!?
this is so wrong it has to be correct
bronze viper
LC4 pretty standard 32+
bronze viper
Yeah
edgy arrow
yeah
main wasp
hm
true fable
stubborn with LC4
main wasp
I made a mistake then
edgy arrow
you can use DDs at 32 tho
true fable
DDs with LC0
edgy arrow
it’s a coin flip at 32 imo
bronze viper
Avoid CF though if you take DDs
edgy arrow
any higher and you should run LC4 and SD
true fable
its not a heat level thing as much as it is an LC4 thing
if you run LC > SD
if you dont > DDs
quartz mantle
I mean 4 heat from LC4 is nice cause that's like
edgy arrow
yeah the question is really “when should you run LC4”
quartz mantle
less heat you have to put into other things
edgy arrow
indeed
bronze viper
Let's say that LC4 is a easier than EM4 lmao
quartz mantle
This is true
north dove
is it tho
solar maple
retrash can't do fresh file because it takes too long to unlock EM
solemn pulsar
i'm really interested in making a fresh file mod so you can pick any aspect, and turn on EM stuff
north dove
I would totally do fresh file EM4
solar maple
that sounds like a cool mod
main wasp
ok who said I wouldn't get a second Artemis
edgy arrow
i'm really interested in making a fresh file mod so you can pick any aspect, and...
i would be into this
bronze viper
Lol, fwiw on Rama I would have slam picked the hammer room
edgy arrow
i like fresh file but hate zag sword
true fable
youre not guaranteed a second artemis
true fable
i wouldve picked hammer too but thats on 50 heat so i know whether or not my runs a waste of time
bronze viper
Is the 50 Rama dream still dead @true fable?
edgy arrow
i want fresh file EM4 to be a thing so i can be shocked when Retrash does it
true fable
still dead
working on it
i took a valheim/zeus shield break for a few days
gonna get back to it
solar maple
I still can't even beat normal first run dad 😦
true fable
zeus shield is pain
bronze viper
I have heard many things about Valheim. Is it good? I don't even know the genre lol, I just keep hearing it
true fable
its good with other people
bronze viper
I need an off game to desalt since I'm pushing 50+ again lol
true fable
not good as a base game imo
solar maple
first run with other weapons sounds very fun though
true fable
i just play risk of rain if i need desalting rn
no stakes if i die
i would love to see retrash do fresh file
still havent seen another player make zag sword look like an actually good weapon
bronze viper
Boonless Fresh file? 👀
true fable
i dont know how tailesque makes bad hammers work for rama
i just get sniper and give up room 3
shy gulch
i just give up
edgy arrow
i don’t give up, which is worse
edgy arrow
i’m too stubborn to reset runs where i’m obviously gonna lose, but not stubborn enough to grind long enough to actually get clears
it’s a weird stubbornness middle ground
true fable
i was that way for anyheat for a while
too stubborn to kill runs behind pace
high heat is nice because you dont need to reset runs
you can just let meg reset them for you
or lernie
edgy arrow
lol truth
main wasp
is Nourished Soul any good for LC 4?
edgy arrow
no
solar maple
honestly I mostly don't reset because the biomes are similar difficulty
edgy arrow
it does nothing
solar maple
so if I can beat this biome, there is a good chance I can beat the next one
if not, well the game reset for me
true fable
dem special good
edgy arrow
yeah elysium is the sticking point
solar maple
elysium has been rough for me on nem sword
but other weapons it's not too much worse than tart/aspho
true fable
on rama i can feel dmg falloff if i didnt get arty attack or a good hammer
solar maple
oh yeah rama needs hammers for sure
I do reset on early first bad hammer
one of the few times I do
that or getting vorimed or smth
also failing erebus lmao
shame reset
edgy arrow
i like to keep bad hammers because it amuses me when i get clears with them
which is very rarely
but still
worth it
solar maple
I play AP2 nem and never reset hammers
true fable
failing erebus i keep going
solar maple
I die pretty quick with some though
true fable
just because i think a victory onion is funny
still havent won one but one of these days...
solar maple
that 50 missing hp would be in the back of my mind the rest of the run
psychological damage
edgy arrow
fortunately i have a very bad memory and forget almost immediately
absent mindedness is my greatest strength and also my greatest weakness
true fable
fortunately i have a very bad memory and forget almost immediately
same im too stupid to know i should be ashamed
edgy arrow
mood
main wasp
alright, Furies, and I got 130% dash attack buff
solar maple
I do reset quite a bit when going for insane heat though
main wasp
AH FK ME, TRIPLE FURIES
solar maple
like if I'm on 56/57 heat beo and leaving tart with no core boons and a pool of ares/zeus/dio? get me out
edgy arrow
oof
main wasp
triple furies throws e off guard
gaunt fiber
Is it safe to dash through Chariots
Or they can like hyper drift just as Asterius does
main wasp
oh gosh, I realized, Hades hates Heracles because he took his dog
solemn pulsar
Or they can like hyper drift just as Asterius does
They can’t drift I think but the hit box is massive so it’s iffy
solemn pulsar
They can’t drift I think but the hit box is massive so it’s iffy
Don’t trust me
solemn pulsar
wait, I got artemis keep, but I got hammer at firtst room
Yes, 1/4 chance to get a hammer basically. The boon override only overrides other boons
It never forces a boon to show up
It just turns the first boon you were going to see naturally into the god you want
gaunt fiber
Like it's 38 damage and I don't have a safe way to deal with them except terrain
solemn pulsar
@daring hedge can you answer chariot strat questions
bronze viper
It was Linker + Speeder. Speeder Savior would have been ~~arguably ~~worse though lol
gaunt fiber
You're right no savior
main wasp
so what is another good weapon that is not bow for H32?
I don't think I can into bow today
it feels to slow for me right now
gaunt fiber
With quick spin I would not mind that much though
main wasp
I gotta play with something faster
bronze viper
Hestia, Chiron, Chaos are probably the most straightforward for 32 heat
main wasp
Arthus?
bronze viper
But every aspect can do 32 depending on comfort
bronze viper
I only tried for a couple of hours, it's super doable. I just sad when I threw away a Twin Shot + Divine Dash Shackle run in Elysium to a trap
main wasp
any idea for keeppsake*?
gaunt fiber
Oh ok I thought it'd be hard
bronze viper
It is very lol
gaunt fiber
any idea for keeppsake*?
Zeus on special is nice
bronze viper
My approach was probably wrong. You don't need AP2 I don't think
bronze viper
I'll revisit it at some point. It'd be cool to see another person work on it too
gaunt fiber
True
bronze viper
AP2 Shackle on Zag bow is so demoralizing. Every boon offering turns into a brick chance
daring hedge
<@164508146746785792> can you answer chariot strat questions
Oh I'm late answering but they're not as wild as asterius really
Dashing right through across them usually just makes them stop
gaunt fiber
You're not late mr fox
I'll try that more then, thanks
Had an irrational fear of dashing through them
bronze viper
I'm not sure how the distance works for Chariots but yeah they tend to get tired if they have to change direction. It still feels like a crapshoot though
daring hedge
It's hard to do with speeder variants but otherwise kinda consistent
daring hedge
Yeah those are absolute run for your life mode
bronze viper
Lmao basically
daring hedge
Yeah
bronze viper
Oh man, the thought didn't occur to me to try to just let Asterius chase me forever on my Zagius 40 run. I had permanent uptime on 155% MS
main wasp
this is a tidal dash run
bronze viper
Lol, all runs can be Tidal Dash runs. It's the "kill em dead" version of Divine Dash
gaunt fiber
Yeah when I have terrain I'm good
Still struggling with Asterius charge tho
Usually I'm forced to use a summon to iframe it
bronze viper
You had some pretty bad luck getting Asterius to charge into the wall today, I'll grant you that. Though I think you have to force him to approach you not perpendicular to a wall
gaunt fiber
Or I need a call iframe, same idea
bronze viper
And then dodge in the acute angle between him and the wall so he has to run into it. There's some very tight timing or variance necessary if you're perpendicular
main wasp
I DIDNT ASK FOR THıS
bronze viper
This is all well and good, but most of the time you don't have the chance to pull out your protractor and do maths before Asterius gives you a death hug
So, your mileage may vary lol
bronze viper
The easy way I found is to camp directly behind a pillar towards a wall and react to what he does from there
There are so many things for him to run into that it works the majority of the time
bronze viper
Lol, interesting. Many times I think "I can't do TD3 without poseidon dash"
main wasp
everyones dashing away from me
gaunt fiber
The easy way I found is to camp directly behind a pillar towards a wall and reac...
I'd like to this that if you stream any time soon
main wasp
it's like I wanna hit them, but they are pushed away
so I dash again BUT THEY ARE PUSHED AGAIN
AAAA
quartz mantle
What weapon are you using?
main wasp
chaos
quartz mantle
Can’t you just bull rush or special them?
main wasp
starting w ith Demeter keep this time
quartz mantle
You don’t need to smack them to deal damage
Although I guess that would be rather annoying to deal with
main wasp
I'm gonna try demeter special
bronze viper
You can watch the whole fight to see, I typically position in front of pillars, facing Asterius, dash behind the pillar and see what he does from there. It kind of backfires the first time but I'm able to get him to clip into a corner, but the time in the timestamp is the "ideal" version. Even if he was approaching from an angle I'd have an easy out to dash back through the pillar or into the acute angle between the wall and him https://youtu.be/nUKDFhFStz0?t=1945
It was a pretty clumsy Heroes fight from a DPS standpoint but I had infinite time so I was being careful. Except for all of those times I got hit lmao
gaunt fiber
Oh yeah
But I mean I don't have much trouble at the heroes
It's mainly the mini boss
bronze viper
The same concept applies for Asterius miniboss, the arena is just smaller and there's less pillars
gaunt fiber
Yeah idk it feels so different
bronze viper
And worse comes to worse you can just make a save in the Asterius miniboss to get a feel for all possible angles
gaunt fiber
Imagine tryharding the game
bronze viper
Lol, this is a weird example because I got hit and lost a DD, but I can use the pause frames from losing the DD and his trail to show a point. I start off good, dashing around the pillar would force him to approach me from an angle. Instead of dashing in the acute angle between him and the wall though, I continue to play tag around the pillar and die. When I lose the DD, you can see the literal angle his trail makes with the wall. Between there is where I should have dashed. https://youtu.be/wwvFwoEuE1w?t=1591
main wasp
assist Tis is annoying
next oasis
what is a good heat setup for beo at 16 heat?
vital grove
next oasis
yeah
i usually rock td1
but i usually have 6 - 3 min left out of tartarus so it shouldnt be a problem
bright mango
Dont do bp2 at 16 heat imo
bronze viper
The second point in BP is pretty terrifying at 16 heat tbh.
bright mango
It’s very annoying
next oasis
duly noted
bronze viper
HL1, LC1, EM2, BP1, MM, UC, TD2 is probably fine?
The key for pact shorthand is in the sticky in this channel fyi
next oasis
im going to screen shot that
bronze viper
Yeah I did that in the spreadsheet for all the 24x40, it's cool to be able to see the videos in one place
waxen relic
Does anyone else hae experience in letting Asterius charge into Theseus Chariot? I think he does not try to go around him at all, which makes it quite reliable, given the opportunity.
bronze viper
Does this work without Charm?
waxen relic
without charm
true fable
i just like the patented hadesprof double dash
dash through pillar once then dash through again
waxen relic
simply dash behind chariot (preferably standing)
true fable
its literally 100% on dodging the charge
bronze viper
Lol, I wouldn't say 100%, it depends on where Asterius starts
true fable
it really is tho tbh
waxen relic
i'm on like 1 dash generally which kinda disables dashing back and forth
unique zephyr
Had a good run for Zeus shield 32 until I met EM3 Asterius and Theseus 😦
what a waste of good luck :/, time to try again
I want to do EM4 for fun again eventually but I don't feel good enough at the game to tackle EM4 yet
sullen minnow
Em4 is 90% of the reason I modded in bossrush mode on my pc copy
I don’t get tilted easy, but getting my cheeks clapped by that fight at the end of a great run gets under my skin something fierce
It takes a lot of practice
bright mango
Em4 is a lot of fun imo
sullen minnow
Oh it’s fun
bright mango
Whenever i do a meme run i have em4 on
sullen minnow
Every good challenge is
unique zephyr
I still have trouble dodging FO2 EM3 Asterius but that takes practice I guess
bronze viper
I would do that if I had the capacity to do FO2 EM4 consistently at any heat lol
sullen minnow
I’ve gotten a lot better at it after trapping dear old dad in a dr strange time loop and fighting him 40 times in a row
sullen minnow
I just use the codex mod myself
unique zephyr
what weapon is the savestate using
sullen minnow
You can save a build that you got naturally or just pick one then warp yourself there and let the slaughter commence
bronze viper
What a fun save file
shy plinth
Oh god
sullen minnow
To speak for the codex mod bacchus, once it’s in you spend about 5 minutes learning all the buttons in the readme and you’re off to the races
It gives you the functional equivalent of terminal access
unique zephyr
so is codex mod warp to any boss?
sullen minnow
Except all the commands are bound to different codex entries to spawn things
Yes
To warp to hades, press the “special” button on his codex entry
The mod itself gives lots of entries the same “special” button that activates their different function
S*
unique zephyr
Hoping I can get Zeus shield 32 soon, if I do it will be my second 32 clear, feeling a mix of discouraged and determined if anyone knows what that is like
sullen minnow
All the god entries spawn boons
The hammer entries spawn hammers
Orpheus lets you save a complete build setup
Skelly kills you to reset a run properly
There’s a lot
Every important function in the game is in there in one page or another
unique zephyr
and I can have it so it only affects one save file right? If so I'd need a maxed save to do it on too
i want my main save to be unmodded
unique zephyr
i don't know how they work
sullen minnow
You can stitch them into and out of existence seamlessly
true fable
mods you can install and uninstall pretty easily
unique zephyr
oh ok, nvm then i can do it on main save
sullen minnow
And as long as they haven’t touched some permanent value the game is as it was
Like giving you 10 billion darkness
unique zephyr
but yeah I feel somehow discouraged but also determined to try again
know what I mean?
ever have a good run you just choke
sullen minnow
Tons
bronze viper
Either way back up your save and you should be fine
sullen minnow
It’s frustrating
unique zephyr
i did to EM3 asterius and theseus
bright mango
F
unique zephyr
My last 32 heat loss is frustrating me, I think I need to step back for a bit
I still don’t understand how to beat EM3 asterius and Theseus consistently and asterius mini boss is very hard to beat reasonably quickly and stay alive
solemn pulsar
just take the other miniboss door!
unique zephyr
Also I’m not sure between tooth and acorn for elysium
Both were mini boss doors lmao
solemn pulsar
take the butterfly ball one
honest kernel
I usually take acorn to have a more chill time w em3
my strat is to just frontload dmg on the bull
unique zephyr
Do I just accept asterius mini boss can screw me
I wish I was good at the game lol
honest kernel
you'll get the hang of it
fo2 asterius was def a nightmare for me
and I still get hit by the charge a lot
but when im this far into elysium by build is already good enough
fighting close to the walls and making him charge into those is a good strat
unique zephyr
Good enough like good dps?
What does Zeus shield want besides zeus special
And Zeus boons to boost that
honest kernel
dps ye
dunno I did 32 zeus with athena special I think
and demeter attack
wild build
gaunt fiber
just take the other miniboss door!
unique zephyr
and demeter attack
Is Demeter attack good or just what you had
bronze viper
Oh, @gaunt fiber, did you see the second video I posted in the miniboss room? Also, Bright mentioned that dashing behind the pillar then back again works 100% of the time for him. It's a variation of what I've been doing but I don't claim 100% success so that's worth looking into as well.
unique zephyr
Oh, <@!238040913715265537>, did you see the second video I posted in the minibos...
I’ll check out the video, thanks!
bronze viper
His way is braindead simple if it indeed does work, but my way is also foolproof if you remember to set it up and can think that quickly lol
gaunt fiber
yeah that's the thing
gaunt fiber
living in the fear of a charge
bronze viper
@unique zephyr It's like, 30 posts up haha, I'd feel bad pasting it again
gaunt fiber
2 hours ago
bronze viper
unique zephyr
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/8167704405...
Thanks for linking up 🙂
That will require quick reaction
unique zephyr
I assume you’d dash through him when he charges at you?
Like when he turns around that pillar, go through him? S that what you’re saying
In the path of his trail there
bronze viper
That should work, though if you're not careful he'll pivot on the obtuse side and still get you. Aim between him and the wall when you dash
honest kernel
its what I had but it turned out to be kinda good
solar maple
haelian is doing 50 heat beo on stream
if he gets it first try you all have to admit beo is a good high heat weapon
bronze viper
Lmao
honest kernel
was anyone denying it? 
gaunt fiber
yeah it's sad with RI
But since EM4 is free
But I'm afraid Haelian's run will suffer rom the sacks
yup rip
shy plinth
Beo is a hard weapon
solar maple
2 sack and he had it 100%. If only he had that snow burst dps
shy plinth
Of course variety streamers are gonna struggle
solar maple
gaunt fiber
I like how
People that play anything other than Hades
are like banished or something
gaunt fiber
Sure thing
shy plinth
I also would bet he's in contention for most hours logged in the game as an individual
Definitely top 10
chilly sun
hestia is so much fun at high heat omg
she basically has her little base kit and AP2 is nice on it i feel
got halfway through elysium at like. 3rd try on 50 heat
solemn pulsar
haelian still very good. despite rarely if ever grinding speed stuff, smurfed in Hermes Cup qualifiers and got a top 4 time on his first try
also has a sub 10 40 heat time
mans far from washed
chilly sun
he has some undeniable skill but i think he just doesn't have the energy/will to nolife the game anymore in order to achieve crazy stuff
solemn pulsar
well it's his job now
so he's not going to play outside of "work hours"
bc he doesn't need WR times to keep his audience
and he doesn't want to just grind speed/heat on stream probably, ergo where he's at now
if i had to guess
bright mango
I feel like his streams are really chill
Not much intense stuff most of the time
And I really like that
solar maple
for all the memes he is actually very good
50 heat on first try is impressive for anyone though. That would have been cool
bright mango
Yeah
This was like my second stream watching and it was cool too see so many people I knew in the stream chat
neat sonnet
first zag 32 try got to elysium - wow double edge is bonkers I know because the last two rooms were the fastest of my life
solar maple
double edge is absurd
neat sonnet
my first hammer was stinky piercing wave
solar maple
piercing wave is still good
neat sonnet
sort of worked
solar maple
probably 3rd best high heat hammer, and 2nd best for any heat
neat sonnet
idk I had a common zeus attack I'm not sure if it was a mistake
solar maple
nem sword usually goes arty attack