#h1-high-heat-strategies

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shy plinth
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Clouded judgment...?

solar maple
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6/6 for scint feast for me

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with a pretty good time too -- 7:43

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dio beo is fun

bright mango
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It is

shy gulch
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lol pseudo thats my exact dio beo PB

solar maple
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my lowest wr of the boons on the front page (so a reasonable sample size) is ares attack haha

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no surprises there

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ME stinky

bright mango
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I’ve gotten 4k damage with 2 casts

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This is my most insane beo clip

solar maple
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yeah you can really just 1 shot every fight in the game

bright mango
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The number of lighting bolts

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It’s disgusting

shy plinth
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Also the giant purple explosion for half his life total

bright mango
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Ikr

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I had bad news and braid so that counted for something

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As well as 76% cast bonus from chaossquirtdevious

solar maple
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I only have a run with 22 distinct aspects on my 1.0 save

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so there are 2 that I just haven't played since launch

shy plinth
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Zag aspects?

solar maple
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probably

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yeah looks like zag spear and zag fists

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not really interested in upping those numbers lmao

shy plinth
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Okay a plume run is not such a bad thing on fists

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Zag spear can stay where it is

solar maple
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if I were to do a zag fist run it would probably be a high heat 100% dodge attempt run

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where I try to get to em4 with 100% dodge

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so it would end up on my hell mode file most likely anyway

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I also heard the amusing suggestion of athena legendary + 100% dodge to not care about timer either

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and just sit at 1hp forever

shy plinth
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That sounds like a vengeful mood build if I've heard of one

solar maple
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probably need smoldering + 2nd wind for the dodge

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but yeah if you get ares that could be fun

shy plinth
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All we need are two duos and a legendary

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It'll be fine

solar maple
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ez

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maybe you can try to get away with RR

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to make up for the dodge before it all comes online

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but fist with RR seems ...

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bleh

shy plinth
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Gilga

solar maple
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zag fists is the whole point

shy plinth
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Oh right

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This is a specific aspect lul

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Just take RR and get extra dashes

solar maple
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just get 2 specific hermes boons, 2 duos, and a legendary 🙂

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3 hermes boons*

shy plinth
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See it all makes sense now

solar maple
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need the dodge too

shy plinth
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Right

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Save up the 700g for styx shop

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So you'll need golden touch

solar maple
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now you've got it

shy plinth
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Nothing could go wrong here

unique zephyr
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I hate not being able to get reps in because of physical stuff, hoping it gets better as I do more physical therapy

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Sorry if too personal but I do want to play more but I can’t physically right now lol

bright mango
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Rip

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That sucks

solar maple
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honestly once I stop being lazy and get batteries I'll try like 40 heat zag fists to try to get 100% dodge em4

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maybe 45?

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as high as I can go and take RI0 AP0 and not too many of the slow ones

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probably 40 so I can have CF0 as well

dire steppe
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i did this at 33 but no em4

edgy arrow
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prolly take some resets to do

dire steppe
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second try lol but only ended up with like 57% dodge

edgy arrow
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i tried it once but i gave up eventually lol

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yeah i had something similar to 57% iirc

dire steppe
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my build had 0 dps, i have no clue how i managed to td3

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i had no dmg sources other than heartbreak strike

edgy arrow
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it was definitely 50%+ because i had 100% with ruthless reflex

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i died to EM4 tho

true fable
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ive considered doing an AP1 TD2 pact for zag fists

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just since you need to take combat chambers

edgy arrow
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turns out 1 dash EM4 on fists bad

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is the handful of extra dodge% you’ll get from 4-5 extra chambers really worth AP1?

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it might cross out second wind

dire steppe
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oh now i remember how i didn’t time out

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i had smoldering air dio’s aid

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(but no second wind)

bronze viper
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23x40 Done. I will tackle the raid boss tomorrow

edgy arrow
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smouldering is kinda required to get close to 100% unfortunately

unique zephyr
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Nice!

dire steppe
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all aspects at 23 heat?

unique zephyr
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Still only have one of 6 x 32 lol

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but I'm learning

dire steppe
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that doesn’t sound very hard

edgy arrow
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congrats ledger!

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what’s left?

bronze viper
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Lol 1 guess

dire steppe
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guan yu

edgy arrow
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GY isn’t actually too bad

bronze viper
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Zagius

wintry berry
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zag sword

solar maple
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Do I try for plume whole run and just reset for smoldering pool?

bronze viper
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Yep

edgy arrow
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ohh zag sword

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yeah that one’s bad

bronze viper
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GY was pretty straightforward

edgy arrow
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agreed

dire steppe
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zag sword 40 is free just force ME

unique zephyr
wintry berry
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zag sword was also the last aspect i've done, gl !

unique zephyr
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since the game actively nerfs your first run anyway

bronze viper
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I think no matter what weapon you pick up next, SGG wanted you to think "wow this is great"

unique zephyr
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kind of joking 😛

edgy arrow
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i still haven’t done zagius

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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admittedly i haven’t actually got back to trying it yet

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swear i will someday

bronze viper
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I am... very not looking forward to this lol

edgy arrow
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do you have a plan?

shy plinth
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Zag sword? Ew

edgy arrow
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ME resets exist if you need them

bronze viper
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Yeah, either Tidal Dash Sea Storm high roll or Merciful End high roll

solar maple
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I'll finish 6x40 soon

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I'm just too stubborn to lower my heat on bow/rail haha

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I'm trying 50+ for those

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already have 40 on the others

edgy arrow
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you’d smash 40 on eris/rama/hestia easy

unique zephyr
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I'm aiming for all your peoples' levels one day

bronze viper
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Sea Storm has been what I've been forcing on other aspects I hate

unique zephyr
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Everyone's been where I'm at right

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I'm keeping going

solar maple
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I've done over 1000 runs now

bronze viper
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Lol, yeah we've all been where you're at, no worries

edgy arrow
solar maple
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(including lots of resets, but you know. Still lots)

edgy arrow
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sea storm nemesis?

unique zephyr
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I've just gone to 200 total runs

edgy arrow
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that sounds bad

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lowkey wanna do it

bronze viper
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It's what I did :3

unique zephyr
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so I still have a lot to learn

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but I'm keeping FO2 on like all the time now

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so I have it learned now

edgy arrow
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with nem everything goes fine and then i die to hades

bronze viper
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The theory is that Razor Shoals is enough to cheese through EM3 by itself so that's +3 heat

unique zephyr
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nem sounds terrible vs bosses

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how does nem survive vs em3

solar maple
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me too apparently

edgy arrow
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i have shockingly little idea how to fight hades with a sword apparently

solar maple
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(jk I've only made it to dad once haha)

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If only I kept my DD in heroes

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I could have had 50 heat nem

edgy arrow
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stygius is the polar opposite of aegis when fighting hades

bronze viper
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I have literally no intention of fighting EM3 fairly with Stygius lol, I'm not a crazy person

solar maple
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best strat for zag sword is probably just ME tbh

edgy arrow
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EM3 isn’t even the issue for me

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it’s literally just hades

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i don’t even understand how my problem can be this specific

bronze viper
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The high roll is so unlikely though. it's why I like the Sea Storm high roll. Tidal Dash with Razor Shoals + Extra Dashes is probably (?) enough to finish the run

solar maple
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for what heat?

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at 40 you can still do AP0 RI0

bronze viper
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40

solar maple
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then high roll isn't that bad

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it's just as hard to get as sea storm

bronze viper
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Yeah but I don't aim for Sea Storm lol. You don't pick Sea Storm. Sea Storm picks you

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I just want Tidal Dash + Razor Shoals + Extra Dash with lots of poms

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Sea Storm sometimes happens

unique zephyr
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FO2 hades is hard

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especially second form

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He is super fast

bronze viper
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Lol, the funny thing is that EM4 FO2, the second phase gets much harder, and yet it's by far the easiest phase of the 3

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womp womp

unique zephyr
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I died just when I was about to beat him

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this was lower heat practice too

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how do melee weapons even fight hades

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with FO2 and HL

bright mango
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By gittin gud at the gamedusa

unique zephyr
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True, I'm working on that part

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just hoping I can reach you all eventually

solar maple
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fo2 em4 very scary

bright mango
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Hey I’m not even near most of these people

solar maple
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would not recommend without big shield to hide

wintry berry
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I tried beo 45 em4, and got killed at phase 2

solar maple
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for all my memes the fight isn't easy

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it's still em4

pseudo girder
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Beo is really good against Super Dad. You actually have a way to protect yourself, for the most part, anyways.

bright mango
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Big plate good

wintry berry
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I've done em4 twice, but that's at ~20 heat, 1 with beo, 1 with hera

pseudo girder
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Doesn't mean much when he goes D A R K N E S S and backstabs you, but whatever. A defensive option is better than none at all.

solar maple
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em4 FO2 is a big jump from just em4

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poke my beo strat is to hide by a wall

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specifically the bottom right corner

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then I just let him come to me for the most part

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also helps vs sneak, and makes blocking minibosses and dad at the same time way easier

pseudo girder
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That is a good strategy, but the only problem is that there will be significant stretches of the fight where you aren't doing damage to him, thus ticking down the TD timer if you have that active.

solar maple
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yeah I try to have at least 3 mins for the fight

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he usually corporates and follows pretty quickly though

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most of his attack patterns are melee

pseudo girder
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My experience with TD4 is literally just with TD4. No fancy pact setups, just TD4. It was a nightmare, but I pulled through regardless.

solar maple
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td4 shadefear

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3 min biomes

pseudo girder
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OOF

wintry berry
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gotta go fast

pseudo girder
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I meant EM4

solar maple
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I would take td4 on 40 heat tbh LMAO

pseudo girder
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It's 11 pm in my neck of the woods

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Anyhow, I can only imagine how much of a terror Super Dad is with things like HL and FO

solar maple
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yeah my beo pacts usually have essentially all the difficulty mods for the fight

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I only really leave out DC

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which only really matters for popping the skulls

pseudo girder
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DC aint exactly the best thing to put on Beo unless you have a means of bypassing it

solar maple
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yeah it's just too slow

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with DC you often won't have enough time for em4 (or even to get there sometimes)

pseudo girder
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Like Zeus Special Dread Flight, which pops DC hearts like nothing

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But you have to dedicate yourself for that sort of thing

solar maple
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yeah zeus boons are great vs dc2

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and needing hammer + boon is a pretty big investment

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I'm already pretty starved for boons at 50+

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a couple of DC2 JS3 witch rooms can just brick a run with TD3

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without a good setup for it

unique zephyr
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What builds work with spear for hades aspect? like what duos if any, or just builds in general

pseudo girder
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Yeah, truth be told, I'd take a lot of the Bull Rush hammers over Dread Flight if I were to push for 40 heat

solar maple
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ask tailesque haha

daring hedge
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oh i have good timing apparently

solar maple
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I really like breaching rush on high heat

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handles BP2 enemies very well

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with the huge aoe

bright mango
daring hedge
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basically serrated point and exploding launcher are the best hammers for hades aspect, bacchus

bright mango
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The timing

solar maple
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mention hades spear

unique zephyr
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Nice, what about gods

solar maple
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tailesque shows up in <5s

bright mango
unique zephyr
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since I have more control over gods than hammers

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but I'll look for those hammers

daring hedge
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deadly strike is great on attack, as the +150% from sweeps shores up its +% weakness

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but honestly almost anything works on attack

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for special, definitely deadly flourish above all

solar maple
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my strategy for hades spear was to just take 38975984 athena boons because I can't dodge

bright mango
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Exploding launcher is amazing

pseudo girder
# bright mango Serrated is a bit dangerous but good

Can confirm. Serrated is really, really good, especially with Arti Attack, but it leaves you super open because it shortens your dash. Probably one of the only times I'd take Hyper Sprint over Greater Reflex

daring hedge
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but i wouldn't recommend using special all that much outside of exploding launcher

unique zephyr
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does merciful end work on hades spear

daring hedge
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i mean

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yes?

solar maple
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that's the speedrun strat

unique zephyr
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but i'm thinking either artemis or aphro special

solar maple
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I wouldn't do it at high heat though

unique zephyr
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er, attack

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not special

pseudo girder
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Merciful End works on everything. Some better than others, though.

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Namely Demeter Fists

shy plinth
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Merciful end arthur let's go

pseudo girder
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It is not good on Spear, though.

true fable
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um

pseudo girder
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Not in my experience, anyways.

unique zephyr
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how does merciful end work on Dem fists

true fable
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funnily enough

unique zephyr
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like which one is attack and which is special

solar maple
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it "works" on hades spear in that you can do ME stuff, and ME stuff is good, but it would be better on other things and you aren't really using the hades spear things

shy plinth
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@unique zephyr you always want merciful end to have athena on special and dash

unique zephyr
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so hades spear is mainly arty special and a strong attack?

true fable
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merciful end is the meta build for all spears if youre not allowed to reset

shy plinth
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So you constantly dash strike with ares attacks and pop em

true fable
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LOL

pseudo girder
solar maple
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if you're not allowed to reset???

true fable
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yes

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its "hammer" proof

shy plinth
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We all know merciful end is renowned for its consistency

solar maple
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ah

daring hedge
solar maple
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I see

true fable
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for speedrunning at least

daring hedge
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otherwise focus on attack entirely

true fable
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so heres the thing

solar maple
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well hades spear can't get good hammers anyway

daring hedge
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😔

solar maple
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"good hammers"

true fable
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ME and crit builds are both high rolls

solar maple
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"flurry jab"

true fable
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ME is a high roll where you can force two boons

unique zephyr
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Are fists harder at higher heat

true fable
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you cant force hammers

unique zephyr
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and melee weapons in general

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or no

true fable
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well

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yeah

solar maple
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melee weapons are generally harder

pseudo girder
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Yes.

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You gotta get up close and personal with a lot of very scary things

solar maple
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for me spear was the hardest so far, but I got lucky on sword and I was using hades spear which I'm really inexperienced with

pseudo girder
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I was crazy for doing my first 32 heat run with Fists

true fable
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spear i just abused flurry jab

pseudo girder
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But my hardest was definitely Spear

true fable
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sword is pretty easy actually imo

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fists was hardest for me

daring hedge
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imagine using a spear that can even get flurry jab smh

true fable
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no aoe and bad damage lol

bright mango
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For spear i did exploding launcher spam

true fable
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imagine

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tailesque

solar maple
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I got 40 sword first try on a super lucky run so idk how hard it actually is

true fable
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your 53 heat hades is far more impressive than your 60 heat rama

solar maple
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LOL

daring hedge
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lmao

pseudo girder
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Hades Spear needs that Quick Spin to make good use of Punishing Sweep

true fable
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you have the highest heat clear on the best high heat weapon

daring hedge
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it does not

true fable
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and also the _____ high heat weapon

pseudo girder
# daring hedge it does not

Oh, I know there are other options, like Massive Spin and such, but Spin is a move that leaves you super wide open in general

daring hedge
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not really

true fable
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spin dash has i frames

daring hedge
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mini dash spins aren't huge commitment

true fable
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v safe

solar maple
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tailesque is used to charging rama powershots on JS3 FO2

true fable
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the problem is it dont do damage

solar maple
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spins don't phase him

true fable
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it slow

daring hedge
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lol

true fable
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aoe doesnt help hades spears pitiful boss dmg

daring hedge
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yeah even i will admit this

true fable
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usually you can patch that with flurry jab

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but uh

daring hedge
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you need serrated or exploding for it to not take a billion years

solar maple
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yeah boss scaling with hades spear is rough

pseudo girder
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yeah... Yeah... Gonna be completely honest, Hades isn't exactly the best spear for high heat.

true fable
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feel bad even with exploding imo

solar maple
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boons just feel like they don't do that much

unique zephyr
true fable
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i think you need charged skewer and or a few special chaos

solar maple
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hunter's mark is nice, but even that doesn't work on bosses

unique zephyr
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GY?

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Achilles feels weird to use but may be right?

shy gulch
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the secret is that all spears bad

daring hedge
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i had a 53 heat attempt die to TD3 timer on dad after a 2sack because i didn't get either of the good hades spear hammers

true fable
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all spear are bad but some spears can get flurry jab

daring hedge
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it's rough

true fable
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that is the secret

unique zephyr
pseudo girder
# unique zephyr Wait what are better spears?

In terms of conventional spears, Achilles has it beat due to its sheer flexibility.

GY is literally Bow with extra steps and honestly the one I recommend just to get Spear done and over with.

shy gulch
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flurry jab is a good weapon, spear is not

true fable
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i literally was typing the same sentence

shy gulch
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lmfao

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same mind

true fable
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no

shy gulch
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:(

true fable
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absolutely not

shy gulch
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im tryign to relate to u...

daring hedge
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bright be nice

unique zephyr
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So GY is spear for people who dislike spear then

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which is me

pseudo girder
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Bingo.

shy gulch
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i think u need charged skewer for that to be true

daring hedge
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yeah

pseudo girder
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Eh, non-CS is still viable if you can get Breaching

daring hedge
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GY special is alright but falls off in a huge way by elysium without charged

pseudo girder
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But Charged Skewer is really good

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Like, if you get it alongside a good amount of max health

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You're golden

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I got 200 health GY with the Athena DD glitch and Patroclus ToSD, so even if I didn't get Charged Skewer, chances are I'd be relatively alright

daring hedge
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not a glitch squirtyay

pseudo girder
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Emergent Gameplay

daring hedge
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amir knighted it as an official High Heat Technique

pseudo girder
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Oh, neat

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So it aint a glitch, it is Emergent Gameplay™️

shy gulch
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how likely is it that they just dont want to fix the bug that caused it

daring hedge
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he asked about the conditions to make it work in context of stubborn defiance, we told him

shy gulch
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its a feature, not a bug

daring hedge
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he thought it was interesting and let it stay

shy gulch
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yeah fair enough

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thank god

pseudo girder
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Yeah

shy plinth
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Legend has it the day he found out about that, he tweaked approval process to always target duos and legendaries

pseudo girder
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It makes high heat a bit more bearable

shy plinth
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Amir giveth and Amir taketh

daring hedge
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monkey paw moment

pseudo girder
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But yeah, if you like Spear, go Achilles. If you don't, go Arti Flourish Charged Skewer GY because there isn't exactly a better option.

shy gulch
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i mean if u dont like spear u can also go achilles

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and either do a cast build or flurry jab

pseudo girder
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I find Poseidon Sword to be a better Achilles than Achilles in the Cast department

true fable
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well

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not if you get flurry jab

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or a nonlodging cast

shy gulch
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crystal beam gaming

pseudo girder
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At least the Cast damage bonus is constant rather than from Raging Rush

daring hedge
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yeah poseidon won't do superbeams or hunting blades better than achilles

shy plinth
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I think the upside of using spear instead of sword is that sometimes your attack button matters

shy gulch
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raging rush is not exactly difficult to keep up

daring hedge
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it's not hard to get that bonus

pseudo girder
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I know

true fable
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with the input buffer its super easy to rush

pseudo girder
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I've had like

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20 failed runs with it

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I think I know how Achilles works by this point.

shy gulch
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i cant tell if thats sarcasm or not ngl

true fable
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ok

daring hedge
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our point is that the bonus may as well be constant with how straightforward the action is

pseudo girder
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That wasn't sarcasm

daring hedge
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for casts

shy gulch
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ok

pseudo girder
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Fair enough

shy gulch
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what tail said ye

shy plinth
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20 runs is not enough to fully learn a weapon I don't think

shy gulch
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also 20 runs is not enough to get a handle of any aspect

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let alone one as interesting as achilles

pseudo girder
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Yeah, I see the potential fun I could be having

shy gulch
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have you tried clicking the cast button harder

true fable
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i think i had 15 total attempts on hestia

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fwiw

shy gulch
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everyone knows clicking the button harder means doing more damage

pseudo girder
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ofc

daring hedge
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same bright

shy gulch
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:)

true fable
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that being said i dont think i understand"""" high level "l"""

daring hedge
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:)

pseudo girder
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:)

true fable
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hestia gameplay

shy gulch
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hestia is probably one of the least complex weapons there is

pseudo girder
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hestia gaming

shy gulch
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so like thats fair

daring hedge
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baby hestia gaming

shy plinth
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@daring hedge your next challenge is no charge shot rama

pseudo girder
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installing macros to reload after every shot

hestia gaming

daring hedge
shy gulch
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and then you get ended by a numbksull room

shy plinth
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Then you just get tempest strike

pseudo girder
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that's where the bombs come in

shy plinth
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And we know where that goes

pseudo girder
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fool

true fable
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tail

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your next challenge

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is dash only 50 heat

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then no dash 50 heat

daring hedge
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i got really close on that first one with gilga

shy gulch
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yeah tht sounds like a gilga moment

shy plinth
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No dash gilga?

shy gulch
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no dash 50 heat sounds like a "kill me" moment

shy plinth
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Oh never mind

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Yes dash gilga

daring hedge
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no dash gilga sounds like true suffering

shy plinth
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But not shared

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Just the regular kind

daring hedge
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and yeah like what do you even do for no dash 50

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achilles i guess

shy plinth
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Beo

daring hedge
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oh true

shy plinth
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Stygian beo

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Cmon you know what channel we're in

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Every answer comes down to beo

daring hedge
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most popular high heat weapon confirmed

shy plinth
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I mean no beo shade, I enjoy the weapon

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But it is amazing to me that the most talked about aspect in this channel is one that literally cannot take RI3

shy gulch
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im honestly a little shocked pseudo is making it work with any RI

shy plinth
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Yeah

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Even RI1 is devastating

shy gulch
#

yea exactly

true fable
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ive taken RI2 for funsies a few times

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feels like your dmg sucks in elysium

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😦

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by "for funsies" i mean out of desperation

wintry berry
#

What about charged shot, and maxing out deadly strike on beo ?

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and playing like a bow

true fable
#

why on beo

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charged shot is the same on eveey shield

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ironically zag or chaos would probably be best

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empowering flight + charged shot is really quite good

unique zephyr
#

And Hestia being bestia

daring hedge
#

isn't charged shot stronger on beo though

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because of the higher base bull rush damage

edgy arrow
#

bit hyperbolic to say "literally never" imo

shy plinth
#

Okay that is extremely limited by RI3

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Atticor is a boss

true fable
edgy arrow
#

oh for sure

daring hedge
#

i've been lied to

true fable
#

i only know this because my fp hc charged shots usually do 160 in tart

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and thats 25% +75% first hit

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so 80 base

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ive played too much of this video game

daring hedge
#

yeah i trust that

true fable
#

hmm

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well

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i wonder

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dash nova no dash

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how high can you go

edgy arrow
#

omg that's a weapon other than achilles or shields

solemn pulsar
#

10

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10IQ

edgy arrow
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swords can do 1 binding runs with dash nova

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what a discovery

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this will revolutionize the meta

unique zephyr
#

Is learning FO2 the only way to prevent turning TD3 on for as long as possible?

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That and avoiding EM4 on top of that

true fable
#

huh

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why avoid TD3

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td3 good

solar maple
#

RI is brutal on beo can confirm

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there is no magic I just die a lot

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on charged shot, beo has better clear because of massive aoe with it, and the +100% damage from dragon rush with it

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but yeah not much better

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still, 160 damage with no boons/no shackle is no joke

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also, I don't think beo not being able to not take RI3 is that big of a deal

unique zephyr
#

My only win was 2 sack

solar maple
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there are only like 3 people good enough to play at the heat where you would want to take RI3 anyway

true fable
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58+

unique zephyr
#

And TD3 changes my room selection so I have to take mid shops even if I can’t afford anything

true fable
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monkas

solar maple
#

and pretty much every weapon sucks at 58+ 🤷

unique zephyr
#

And also even people here say they lose to 5 sacs and 4 sacs in TD3

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On otherwise perfect runs

solar maple
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the thing is other 3 heat would usually kill me too

solemn pulsar
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They’re usually talking about 45+ heat runs

unique zephyr
#

Also learning to dodge better feels more achievable than being fast enough to consistently TD3

solar maple
#

on my 45 heat pos sword run I died to a 5 sack

solemn pulsar
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And 4+ sack is less than 20% of the time

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I think you’re overthinking things a bit

solar maple
#

but if I had to take 3 heat of other stuff? I would have died in elysium

unique zephyr
#

I may just try FO1 with max HL

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Pins say it’s less dangerous than FO2 with HL2? Why is that?

solar maple
#

FO2 is very scary

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things go fast

unique zephyr
#

I don’t know how people do sub 20 consistently

solar maple
#

hard to dodge

solemn pulsar
solar maple
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lots of people here do speedruns

solemn pulsar
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That’s kinda all there is to it

solar maple
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so lots of practice going fast

unique zephyr
#

Some people tell me learn FO2 now to get it out of the way?

solemn pulsar
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I played aggressively from the very start

unique zephyr
#

What do they mean by that

solemn pulsar
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Once you learn fo2 it’s “free”

unique zephyr
#

I don’t have speed running back ground

solemn pulsar
#

Since you’re used to it

unique zephyr
#

How long does it take to get used to

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Just as an idea

solemn pulsar
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No clue

unique zephyr
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6 free heat is nice

solar maple
#

you just get better

solemn pulsar
#

Depends on your skill

unique zephyr
#

How long did it take you (meaning anyone who wants to answer) then

solar maple
#

but there are big growing pains at the start

solemn pulsar
#

If you’re having trouble clearing below 20 minutes consistently on any heat level, then you’re going to have a really hard time clearing 32 heat tbh

unique zephyr
#

I am very inconsistent right now FO2 wise

solar maple
#

where you still try to dodge with your old timings

unique zephyr
#

Sometimes I beat dad, sometimes I die to him, sometimes I die to bull

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And sometimes to furies

solar maple
#

yeah that's high heat

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sounds about right

unique zephyr
#

So that’s normal then haha

solar maple
#

if you look at my hell mode file

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my win rate is very low

true fable
#

my hell mode file has a pitiful win rate

solar maple
#

I just only post the interesting runs

true fable
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probably around 5% or lower

solemn pulsar
#

If you can’t consistently clear below 20 minutes on any heat I’d slap EM2 FO2 and TD3 on, just 15 heat, and practice at that heat level

solar maple
#

I've done lots of high heat runs with rama and hestia

solemn pulsar
#

Then when you can handle that consistently start moving up towards 32

unique zephyr
#

Yeah I can’t do it that fast on 0 heat

solar maple
#

I've literally lost every single one of them

solemn pulsar
#

Then you won’t clear 32

unique zephyr
#

Why EM2 and not 3

solemn pulsar
#

Do 3 if you want

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Idk what your 32 plan is, but it doesn’t have to include it

unique zephyr
#

What do people use instead of EM3

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Lemme give my 32 plan

solemn pulsar
#

But seriously, spend time getting good at the game instead of just slamming into high heat and getting frustrated

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Knock the heat down

solar maple
#

32 is very diverse

solemn pulsar
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And get fast

unique zephyr
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Current pact:
Hard labor 2
Lasting Consequences 4 (use stubborn to heal)
Convenience Fee 2
Extreme Measures 3
Middle Management
Underworld Customs
Benefits Package 2
Forced Overtime 2
Tight Deadline 2

solar maple
#

40 people tend to go toward more of the same stuff (still variation though)

unique zephyr
#

Yeah I am doing some runs now with FO2 EM3 and nothing else

solemn pulsar
#

If you can’t consistently clear 20 minutes at low heat you have 0 hope of clearing 32 IMO within any realistic timeframe

unique zephyr
#

DC for hard labor 2 where appropriate

solemn pulsar
#

So definitely focus on the low end first

unique zephyr
#

I hear TD3 isn’t mandatory at 32

edgy arrow
#

i really wouldn't worry much about TD2 honestly

solemn pulsar
#

It isn’t

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But I’m talking at any heat

unique zephyr
#

I am fine with TD2

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But not TD3

solar maple
#

td3 isn't necessary, but not being able to do 20 mins shows a misunderstanding about how to do dps

solemn pulsar
#

If you can’t clear 20 minutes at low heat, then you’re going to struggle with 28 minutes at high heat

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Trust us

unique zephyr
#

I did maybe 3 sub 20 runs in my life

edgy arrow
#

TD3 is not necessary while you're just doing 32s, and as i've said before; its the only pact you can learn with it turned off

unique zephyr
#

So I can do it and I did my only 32 at 18 mins

solemn pulsar
#

You need to be able to do that or 32 is going to feel impossible

edgy arrow
#

if you can't beat it just leave it off and try again later

solar maple
#

knowing how to do damage is very important

unique zephyr
#

But it was a 2 sac

edgy arrow
#

you'll get faster just by getting used to the game more

unique zephyr
#

Is a good goal to be consistent sub 20 with any heat

solemn pulsar
#

To start yes

unique zephyr
#

Should I be able to do any heat sub 20 even with 5 sac

solemn pulsar
#

I would throw some EM and FO in there to learn it though

unique zephyr
#

And 4

solemn pulsar
#

Yes

solar maple
#

have you tried a run where you go as fast as possible?

solemn pulsar
#

Put TD3 on to force yourself to do it

unique zephyr
#

A plume run

solar maple
#

I never had, and when I did I beat my old pb by over 5 mins

unique zephyr
#

I got the achievement

bronze viper
unique zephyr
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But not for speed specifically

solar maple
#

no I mean with an actual build

unique zephyr
#

I never tried to beat my best time no

solar maple
#

like my pb went from low 20 mins to sub 12

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in 1 run

unique zephyr
#

My best time is 17:30

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Or so

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Holy carp

solar maple
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by doing eris speedrun strats

solemn pulsar
unique zephyr
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I never tried to go as fast as possible

edgy arrow
unique zephyr
#

Like i never bothered testing just how fast i could go

solar maple
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I had watched a decent amount of eris speedruns so I knew how they worked though

solemn pulsar
#

I agree with you on TD2

unique zephyr
#

If i cared about nothing but speed

solar maple
#

and I was still reasonably experienced

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but that was my first time trying to go fast

solemn pulsar
#

Wait so you’re worried about the deadline, but haven’t thought about trying to go fast?

unique zephyr
#

I never have timer problems with TD2 ever

solemn pulsar
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On 32?

solar maple
#

that's because TD2 is free

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td3 is actual heat

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that's why it costs 3

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which is a lot

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and worth it 90% of the time

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if your name isn't retrash ( or you are using a slow weapon)

unique zephyr
#

On 32 yes

edgy arrow
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i didn't bother with even trying to run TD3 until i was consistently sub 20ing while heat pushing

unique zephyr
#

Losing to timing out is rare

solemn pulsar
#

You haven’t cleared it though

#

Right?

unique zephyr
#

On TD2

edgy arrow
#

if its causing you difficultly you can genuinely just ignore it

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if you want anyway

unique zephyr
#

I cleared it once on 32 with TD3 but not since with TD2

solemn pulsar
#

So what’s your goal

unique zephyr
#

But because I get killed not bc timer

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6 x 32

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Preferably without TD3

edgy arrow
#

that's definitely doable

#

there's no need for TD3 at 32

unique zephyr
#

Also avoiding EM4 too

solar maple
#

yeah don't take em4

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you never do tbh

edgy arrow
#

^

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unless you play beo

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but even then ignore it until 40

solar maple
#

unless you join the beo cult at 45+ heat

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oneofusoneofusoneofusoneofusoneofusoneofusoneofusoneofusoneofus

unique zephyr
#

Is the pact I posted above good to work towards

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For my 6 x 32

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Plan for learning is EM3 BP1 FO2

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Either that or leave out BP

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And I’ll practice with SD

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Thanks for everyone’s help btw

#

It means a lot

edgy arrow
#

yeah that pact looks good to me for 6x32

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i will say though

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if you have trouble with any of the weapons, definitely tinker with the pact a bit

solar maple
#

at the end of the day a lot of the fun of heat in hades is tinkering with stuff to see what works for you

edgy arrow
#

moving things around and experimenting will give you a better feel for the pact

solar maple
#

you don't have to do what we do exactly

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(other than play beo when you get to shield, you are legally obligated to do that 🙂 )

bronze viper
#

Also there are opposing very strong opinions here. That's because you can develop your own playstyle and figure out the pacts that works best for you.

edgy arrow
#

its all very well for us to say what the "best" setups are but at the end of the day you'll be well served by developing a visceral understanding of different setups and how they feel on different aspects by using them in practce

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plus its fun as pseudo said

solar maple
#

if I had just taken the common advise for how you "should" do high heat beo -- special build garbage with AP2, I would still have a 40 heat pb haha

#

experimentation is fun!

edgy arrow
#

that's a really good point yeah

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high heat meta is still unexplored enough in places that people like you can be like "what if beo is actually good" and get 54 heat

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beo is now 5th highest aspect

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take that nonbelievers

solar maple
#

I recently saw someone's first 40 heat clear, and they had their own "interesting" ideas of how to do the pact

edgy arrow
#

oh?

solar maple
#

they arrived there through their own theorycrafting and experimentation

edgy arrow
#

i remember i saw a 40 where someone was like "oh yeah RI3 seems fine"

solar maple
#

it was cursed pls don't do that pact

edgy arrow
#

i was honestly too impressed to criticise

celest grail
#

wasnt there someone in #h1-victory-boasting saying that playing with like ap2 and ri2 and no td on 40 heat is fun for them

true fable
#

there was that person whose first 32 was with DC2 arthur

celest grail
#

and they got like a 40 minute clear time lmao

true fable
#

TD3 too

edgy arrow
true fable
#

no clue how theyre doing now

#

hope theyre doing well

edgy arrow
#

did that have TD3 as well wtf

solar maple
#

they did TD0 and had a 40 min run

#

extremely cursed

edgy arrow
#

how did they do that with drunken strike

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i'm even more baffled now

celest grail
solar maple
#

no someone else lmao

edgy arrow
#

oh okay TD0

#

yeah that's what i thought

celest grail
#

oh

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nvm

unique zephyr
#

Drunken strike takes off DC2 stacks obviously 😛

edgy arrow
#

TD3 would have been bonkers

solar maple
#

the person I'm talking about didn't do RI

celest grail
#

their friend did like a 90 minute 32 heat clear

solar maple
#

they did do AP2 though haha

unique zephyr
#

I do like how flexible the pact of punishment is

edgy arrow
#

90 minutes that's impressive

unique zephyr
#

Below 50

celest grail
#

ikr

edgy arrow
#

did they go make a snack halfway through

shy gulch
#

90 minutes good god

celest grail
#

i was just shocked

solar maple
#

wait 90???

#

how is that possible?

#

shopping break?

celest grail
#

honestly idk

solar maple
#

naoP?

celest grail
#

lol

shy gulch
#

that’s like almost 2 hours real time

#

for ONE run

solar maple
#

?????

shy gulch
#

that just sounds exhausting

unique zephyr
#

I can’t sit down that long

celest grail
#

wait ill find the message

edgy arrow
#

my first clear ever was 61

celest grail
#

gimme a min

edgy arrow
#

i thought that was high, but clearly i am a speedrunner in comparison

solar maple
#

did they die and have their brother take over?

unique zephyr
#

Like die in real life?

solar maple
#

yes

edgy arrow
#

when your bro dies irl and you just push him aside and finish his game of hades

celest grail
solar maple
#

priorites

#

CP2 JS3 DC2

#

why am I not surprised

edgy arrow
#

its GY

#

they were prolly playing it suuuuuper safe

celest grail
edgy arrow
#

but honestly the patience required for that

solar maple
#

I didn't even know the "slow and steady" thing existed

shy gulch
#

DDs with LC4?

#

oh GY

#

I guess that makes sense

#

kinda

celest grail
#

honestly im not even like sad, im just amazed by the patience

solar maple
#

how slow do you need to be for slow and steady?

celest grail
#

the person's theory is that giving players the ability to heal in roguelikes is op

#

so they love cursed slash

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and guan yu

solar maple
#

it's so op that they removed it for 4 heat

celest grail
#

lmao

edgy arrow
#

lol skimming through the comments they have this piece of mind blowing commentary on their pact:

"Why do you need extra chances or rerolls for boons if you can get lucky and get them anyway?"

#

its like, true but also no why are you doing this

solar maple
#

"just get lucky"

#

why didn't I think of that

edgy arrow
#

the real high heat strat

solar maple
#

tail I'm coming for you

#

my 61 heat beo will limp its way to victory

#

with luck

spice lava
#

"Just get lucky" makes sense if you bet your late game on the A N V I L

edgy arrow
#

just get splitting bolt in tartarus or something

#

no wait that's for gilga

#

get fully loaded in tartarus

#

haha that's so implausible i could barely write it

#

fully loaded isn't a real boon prove me wrong

solar maple
#

I love when speedrunners argue about pride vs legacy and they always have the same argument for both

celest grail
#

"but when youre lucky, its just free heat"

unique zephyr
#

I mean don’t people die over and over for rng at super high heat anyway

#

But that’s because of AP2

solar maple
#

[boon rarity/duos] are really important, so I'll just get those and get lucky for [boon rarity/duos]

shy plinth
#

Also people die because things hit you like a truck

solar maple
#

[boon rarity/duos] just happens anyway when you reset

unique zephyr
#

I don’t know when to use legacy and when to use pride

edgy arrow
#

TD3 is free heat, there's like 9 free rooms if you get lucky

solar maple
#

"it's free heat" is my favorite phrase

edgy arrow
#

so just get lucky

shy plinth
#

Use pride unless you are going for merciful end or mirage shot I think

edgy arrow
#

same lol

solar maple
#

like schad's "HL5 is free heat if you just don't get hit"

unique zephyr
#

How good is mirage shot actually

shy plinth
#

On beo?

#

Insane

solar maple
#

mirage shot is quite good

celest grail
spice lava
#

Sometimes BP2 makes awful rooms so you don't even have the luxuary to test AP2 😏

shy plinth
#

It's really strong on cast weapons

#

+30% base damage is about as good as it gets

unique zephyr
#

I’ll go for that on Pos sword

solar maple
#

mirage is almost as good as snow burst

edgy arrow
#

its also real nice for DC

solar maple
shy plinth
#

S N O W B U R S T

edgy arrow
#

tho DC should be delayed on cast weapons

#

snow burst is the best boon in the game change my mind

solar maple
#

SNOW BURST CULT

shy plinth
#

@edgy arrow hyper sprint exists

solar maple
#

HAIL

#

THE BURST

edgy arrow
#

if you want hyper sprint more than snow burst, you aren't playing beo

shy plinth
#

Oh from a beo perspective the best boon in the game is simple

#

It just has one problem, it does not exist

solar maple
#

true

shy plinth
#

Imagine getting fully loaded

edgy arrow
#

that's true

solar maple
#

that's all I can do

edgy arrow
#

snow burst is the best real boon in the

celest grail
#

i once got fully loaded in tartarus on 32 heat beo

solar maple
#

to this day I've never gotten fully loaded in a speedrun or high heat run

celest grail
#

needless to say

edgy arrow
#

there are mythical boons that are better

celest grail
#

after that, i woke up and realized that artemis isnt a god in hades

edgy arrow
#

its really sad because i keep taking support fire

solar maple
#

spreading lies like that in this channel?

edgy arrow
#

i can dream

solar maple
#

the long lost boon will one day grace me with its presence

edgy arrow
#

just picking support fire in the elysium end shop like "i could get fully loaded in styx"

#

narrator: what a fool he was

solar maple
#

but yeah mirage shot is pretty absurd

#

and rarity doesn't matter as much as it seems (for most casts)

shy plinth
#

It justifies god's legacy I think

solar maple
#

most of the damage is from poms anyway

unique zephyr
#

How much does rarity matter for arty attack

#

And for zeus special

solar maple
#

pride is still justifiable though imo

shy plinth
#

It is

#

More rarity is always better

#

On anything

solar maple
#

especially when highrolling

#

epic RD is juicy

shy plinth
#

Like if you're going for a build you take what you see

unique zephyr
#

Should I reroll a common attack boon for rarity?

solar maple
#

no

unique zephyr
#

Sometimes I get punished

shy plinth
#

Nah

#

Playing with fire

edgy arrow
#

rarity mostly doesn't matter too much for casts, but epic flood flare = free tartarus

unique zephyr
#

Ah ok

shy plinth
#

And you really wanna just save rolls for the purge pool

#

UC will destroy you if you don't

solar maple
#

yeah common casts are pretty stinky for tart

#

which is why I run pride a lot for high heat

#

also because I'm a snow burst gamer

edgy arrow
#

its pretty much just a tartarus thing

shy plinth
#

Pride feels like the play almost always

edgy arrow
#

i run RI1 for high heat

shy plinth
#

Ah yes, the third option

solar maple
#

oh yeah for very high heat I'm on RI2

#

so I get neither

edgy arrow
#

i haven't been doing much beo 50+ recently tho

solar maple
#

but even for 50 heat runs with pos cast I've been doing pride

edgy arrow
#

i can only handle that kind of thing for so long before i need a break

solar maple
#

because I just don't believe in using all my rolls to have mirage be crossed out by AP

shy plinth
#

Seeing a purple boon in tartarus is like a carnival cruise

#

It's so much easier

edgy arrow
#

that's probably wise pseudo

solar maple
#

pride is also more money for selling

#

which is not that small

edgy arrow
#

mirage shot is still barely practical to shoot for at 50 tho so its so tempting

#

but you're right that it rarely pays off

shy plinth
#

Theoretically legacy gives you more shots at seeing it crossed out by AP2

solar maple
#

yeah I'm not saying legacy is wrong

shy plinth
#

So you can compound your disappointment

solar maple
#

also I just never remember to change it tbh

edgy arrow
#

you just take legacy so that you can't blame yourself when you miss it

unique zephyr
#

Are the main high heat duos ME and mirage shot

edgy arrow
#

then you can blame legacy

solar maple
#

the only thing I remember to change is to turn on backstab when I switch to DC

unique zephyr
#

Or are there other good duos? How is hunting blades

solar maple
#

smoldering air is insane

#

but less of a build

edgy arrow
solar maple
#

and more of just a fantastic boon

shy plinth
#

It's more of just a thing that happens to your run that becomes what you do now

edgy arrow
#

people still go for it, but its way less practical

unique zephyr
#

So why do people go for legacy then

#

If you can’t plan for duos

solar maple
#

most people do pride for high heat

#

or have RI

edgy arrow
#

we're shooting for duos that are easier to get

#

but also yeah mostly Pride is the meta

shy plinth
#

Legacy is the sweet boon that you turn on when you're pushing 16-20 and you get a victory screen with 5 duos

#

After you learn how to run shape

solar maple
#

legacy is more fun for sure

shy plinth
#

And then people get used to it

solar maple
#

you can get like a million duos with dio attack rail or some nonsense

shy plinth
#

At 32 you just want good gameplay and purple boons on your attack

solar maple
#

so fun

shy plinth
#

And higher than that you need good gameplay and you don't get boons anyway

solar maple
#

give boons pls

edgy arrow
#

i got ME for the first time in ages on my special only achilles run

solar maple
#

wait did you have athena revenge?

#

that would have been funny

edgy arrow
#

i had her attack

solar maple
#

darn

edgy arrow
#

just randomly

#

it was pretty funny

solar maple
#

I got flurry jab start that run haha

edgy arrow
#

i just sold it and was stupid rich on CF0 for the rest of the run

shy plinth
#

Oh CF0

#

It's so nice

edgy arrow
#

mood

shy plinth
#

It's like moving from the city to the suburbs

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Everything is on sale all the time

edgy arrow
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yeah flurry jab is hilarious as well

daring hedge
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150 for an entire boon is insanity

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CF2 rewired my brain

shy plinth
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125 for a mystery boon!

solar maple
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yeah so cheap

shy plinth
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One hundred and twenty five gold!

edgy arrow
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its actually kinda bad

solar maple
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I walk into shops in speedruns expecting to not be able to buy anything

edgy arrow
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i keep buying things i don't need every time i'm on CF0

solar maple
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then I see those white numbers

edgy arrow
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ooh a pom for 100 obols? great deal!

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^me with only divine dash on CF0

shy plinth
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Divine dash damage scaling tho

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Gotta hit that 22

edgy arrow
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for sure

unique zephyr
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CF0 and CF2 feel so different

edgy arrow
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divine dash op, so make sure to get heroic level 25 divine dash

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can't lose

unique zephyr
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On CF0 I can afford things

shy plinth
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Also I will say that SD makes gold go a lot further

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I always felt priced into those 280 gold DDs

solar maple
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yeah sds save so much

daring hedge
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divine dash deal damage challenge: rending claws and ruthless gilga, pom the dash on purpose for once in your life

solar maple
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don't need to heal either

daring hedge
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also skull earring ofc

solar maple
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then you go into fresh file and realize even cf0 is a scam

edgy arrow
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the problem with that is that you'd use your special for maim

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it should just be divine dash only

solar maple
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B R I L L I A N T R E P O S T E

daring hedge
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the maim is just to prop up divine dash it's fine

edgy arrow
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its prolly fair if there's just no boon on special

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purely a maim delivery system

daring hedge
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exactly

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ok i have to try this now

solar maple
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sell all cores in ashpo and switch to mom pom

edgy arrow
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you gotta try and use the massive deeps of divine dash to kill enemies before they die to 400 maim damage

solar maple
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to get that scaling

shy plinth
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@daring hedge swap your special and attack bindings

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Get in there with those dash uppers

edgy arrow
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true gilga gamers swap attack and dash bindings

shy plinth
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That's kinda funny

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Dash upper is so awkward

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Ugh the other day I was chilling on the couch and tried to play gilga on my switch in handheld mode

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It is impossible

edgy arrow
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i can't play gilga in any mode

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dash upper is weird for sure

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idk why they didn't make maim just proc on any use of special

shy plinth
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The weapon is def meant to have really distinctive dash attacks

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And gilga standing attack is so much damage

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But you have to... stand there

shy gulch
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idk why they made gilga

shy plinth
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Since maim makes the enemy deal more damage they probs didn't want it always on

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Tbh I like that weapon but it's super awk

edgy arrow
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i want to like it

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i really do

shy plinth
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Like I tried the other day to think of what I'd do on gilga if I wasn't going ME and couldn't figure it out

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I did a lower heat run and ended up with demeter attack which was fine

edgy arrow
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i've genuinely tried to get the hang of it

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sea storm works instead of ME

shy plinth
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Have you gone blade dash %

edgy arrow
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i've had blade dash on gilga

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or do you mean literally just using dash

shy plinth
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Not exclusively

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But like doing memey garbage with vortex

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And trying to find cycle

edgy arrow
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oh yeah i've done that

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good fun zero regrets

shy gulch
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I’ve done blade dash% exclusively using the dash

edgy arrow
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actually i have one regret

shy gulch
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it was pretty fun honestly

edgy arrow
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or rather, a complaint

shy gulch
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ez em4 clear

shy plinth
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It's enjoyable but the weapon is def not meant to be a meta contender

edgy arrow
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why in the world does hunting blades not work with blade dash?

shy gulch
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too op

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idk

edgy arrow
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it would literally be less powerful than hunting blades on slicing shot

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also it should work on the call

solar maple
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it also doesn't work with beo ares cast

edgy arrow
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i should just be able to hit ares call and then go afk

solar maple
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that's just rude

edgy arrow
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ares call would still be garbage but at least it would be funny

solar maple
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but yeah I never understood why hunting blades only works with cast

edgy arrow
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also slicing flare yeah

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there's no reason for it not to just work with everything

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they already let it work with the most powerful thing

solar maple
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smh implying that blade dash is not the most powerful boon in the game

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you will be reported directly to high priest webs2d

edgy arrow
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oh no will i be executed