h1-high-heat-strategies

[shy plinth]

Now time for all aspects or maybe I learn how to push heat

[torn vapor]

Remember to take a break for some tea 🫖

Or whatever drink strikes your fancy ☕ 🥃🥛

[edgy arrow]

tea drinking is the second most important high heat strategy, after petting cerberus

[unique zephyr]

Nice job, Hat 🙂

You just did my current goal (6 x 32)

[unique zephyr]

I have trouble knowing what exactly to look for looking at my own videos

That and knowing how to improve what I did wrong

How do I gain more insight from looking at my own videos? Without other people looking at it I have no idea what to look for

What makes aphro cast good? Or is this tier list only for beo?

[solar maple]

that is a high heat beo tier list

[unique zephyr]

Ok that makes more sense

[solar maple]

different weapons use different casts to different effects

[unique zephyr]

I don’t take aphro on most weapons

But beo makes sense

Just wanted to be sure

[solar maple]

aphro is great on hera and pretty good on beo

mediocre at best for everything else though

[gaunt fiber]

Fits decently in Guan Yu's dps rotation

[rain sedge]

Is pog frog doing 24x40?

[solemn pulsar]

Yeah

[vital grove]

Aphro can do a job on Kamikaze Achilles.

Especially with Parting Shot

Rush behind them, nothing personal wretch.

[pseudo girder]

What's a good pact setup for Hera Bow?

[waxen relic]

how high?

for 32 this should work well #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[pseudo girder]

Thanks

Yeah, I'm going 32 heat

[vital grove]

HL1, LC4, EM3, MM, BP2, FO2, UC, TD3

It's the easiest way to do it IMO, maybe CF1 for HL1 if you're melee

[rain sedge]

FO2 is bad for first timers doing 32, and mathematically 3 points in HL is better than 1 point in FO

also guide is pinned

[bright mango]

Imo Hl5 is easier than FO2

[neat sonnet]

ok what the heck I just jumped right to 32 with hestia for fun and made it to heroes before timing out and dying

I played terribly but wow

[spice lava]

That's how I started grinding heat, using Hestia for fun until 50 and now I'm deeply bad on any non Hestia aspect 😄

[bright mango]

Hestia bestia

@daring hedge are you going to upload the 50 heat seastorm to YouTube?

[rain sedge]

like a sucessful twitch streamer once said

hestia exist to democratise high heat 🙃

[bright mango]

Pretend this is reacting to your message because discord won’t let me for some reason

[spice lava]

Now I'm chilling on Rama special, pretending it's the rail atk with hammers

[neat sonnet]

and then I turned around and got right back to heroes on 32 GY

what is this

died but

[gaunt fiber]

timed out at heroes

good boon luck, had quick spin with deadly strike

Worst Elysium I ever had, no free rooms througout aspho/Ely

[neat sonnet]

dang

nice stuff

my run had quick spin winged serpent but aph attack

I was panicking way too much cause I got to elysium first go at 32, I had a good asphodel and tartarus but I found asterius in the miniboss.. lost tooth there

[rain sedge]

sounds like my run yesterday astaos

[rain sedge]

whoa asterius jsut ruined me

this is hard

was a really good 56 otherwise

[neat sonnet]

asterius hard

[rain sedge]

it's ok

I now have a practice save for asterius

my idea is that I will grind this fight until I can no hit it 50% of the time

and next time I come this far, it'll be ez

[bright mango]

Good luck schad

[daring hedge]

yeah at some point soon

[bright mango]

ok

epic

[daring hedge]

i have a bit of a backlog of uploads lol

[bright mango]

Lmao

[pseudo girder]

I had a legit fantastic Chiron run

Didn't get Arti flourish, but Dem flourish worked just as well

But then Hades said it was time for lasers and that's how I lost my most recent Bow 32 heat run

🙃

[kindred sluice]

Failed another 32 heat run... yay.

[spice lava]

which aspect?

[idle bronze]

no biggie. I failed a bunch until I finally conquered it

[edgy arrow]

imagine winning this game haha

sounds fake tbh

[light stag]

I'm never going to beat 32 heat. I've been trrying now for literally weeks

[daring hedge]

definitely don't feel bad about how long it takes

it's a big adjustment

[edgy arrow]

^

it took me ages to get my first 32

[light stag]

I just want to do 32 because is it the arbitrary goal the game has put

I just want it to be done with finish this misery

[idle bronze]

well what are you struggling with? reaching Hades alive, or Hades himself?

[daring hedge]

there is a reason that statue isn't counted towards any steam achievement

if it's causing you too much stress, don't bother

[light stag]

I used to be able to reach Hades

[daring hedge]

but you'll def get it if you stick with it

[light stag]

but now I can barely reach the Champions. Hell most of the time I can't even reach Elysium

Lernie kills me often.
And the timer in Elysium often gets me. The fightes are slow with JS1 DC2 and BP2

[idle bronze]

TD2 or TD3?

[light stag]

TD2

since I started visiting every mid shop it's gotten better

[idle bronze]

TD2 is definitely doable at JS1. I think when I did it with TD2 & JS0

some mirror things that helped me

switch Chthonic Vitality to Dark Regeneration

[light stag]

Asterius solo an with Theseus are so slow

I'm doing LC4

relying on SD

[idle bronze]

can't do that myself, I needed regen since obviously you're getting hit a lot by tough enemies

[light stag]

but it is too little health for the bosses

[idle bronze]

yeah, I ran into the same problem

[edgy arrow]

what aspect are you using?

[light stag]

Fists

Zag I've tried Talos I;m trying Demeter now

[waxen relic]

Did Abyssal Blood always reduce Damage too? I always thought that it'd be only the speed reduction

[light stag]

Pact:
LS4
CF2
JS1
EM3
BF2

[idle bronze]

I'm working my way up 0-20 heat with Demeter fists, they're fun

[light stag]

MM

UC

[idle bronze]

Zeus attack + Arty special makes for crowd control + boss damage on the specials

[true fable]

that pact looks pretty normal

what build are you running rarebit?

[light stag]

FO1
DC2
AP1
TD2

[true fable]

aight

let's get that AP1 outta here

[daring hedge]

demeter is likely going to be your best bet for 32 heat out of the fists aspects

[edgy arrow]

AP1 is rough

[light stag]

I don't anything else to replace it with

[edgy arrow]

honestly i’d consider dropping it and FO1 and switching to HL5

[light stag]

I would rather have AP2 than raise anything else

[edgy arrow]

AP1 seriously damages your build, which hurts both your survivability and your speed

[daring hedge]

that's only going to exacerbate your issue with time in elysium

[edgy arrow]

there’s no reason to run it at 32 most of the time

[kindred sluice]

Eris

[waxen relic]

HL is something i for one completely overthought in how bad it is

it is pretty fine

[kindred sluice]

It’s getting easier for me now, consistently getting to Elysium, got to Hades in my run before so that’s twice now.

[edgy arrow]

yeah HL can be pretty manageable if you lay off the FO

[kindred sluice]

I don’t really like use HL tbh

[edgy arrow]

HL5 is way easier than FO2

[kindred sluice]

I think I take damage too much.

I have FO2 on

[edgy arrow]

you’ll take damage less if you turn FO2 off that’s what i’m saying

it’s valid to run FO2 at 32, but it’s also valid to avoid it

[kindred sluice]

Oh I don’t have HL on at all, if I really wanted I could swap them around but

[edgy arrow]

32 is pretty flexible and if you’re struggling some experimentation could help

[kindred sluice]

I can definitely see why 32 Heat isn’t an achievement now though, most people would probably rage quit or just want to enjoy the game casually.

[true fable]

my first 32 was like

AP1

RI1

LMAO

the arthur pact

[kindred sluice]

If you get certain things on the Sword you can pretty much be immortal

[spice lava]

32 is a kinda reminder that Rogue games are not that friendly

[edgy arrow]

my first 32 didn’t have RI and that was pre dark foresight nerf iirc so i actually probably should have lmao

*buff

[daring hedge]

didn't dark foresight only get buffed though

yeah lol

[edgy arrow]

i wrote nerf instead of buff lmao

how did i make this mistake

smh

[daring hedge]

don't put these ideas in amir's head

[spice lava]

My first 32 is cursed, I used the forbidden Rama special

[true fable]

🤔

[daring hedge]

dark foresight too comfy

[daring hedge]

it's ok as long as you actually used your attack too

but if you didn't:

[edgy arrow]

what’s the forbidden rama special

[spice lava]

Rama is supposed to be used wisely by mixing special and atk

that's the way to have an optimized DPS

[light stag]

I'm kinda used to FO1. Since I'm have trouble getting trough the bosses now I don't think that getting hit less because of the speed wold justify putting double damage

I don't see myself surviving Hades with double damage

[spice lava]

but I just used the special that day https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807672625739858000/814212069792415824/EqMLuIiXAAE75vw.png

[edgy arrow]

yeah sure, but i wasn’t aware there was a specific boon that was “forbidden”

oh just special

nice one lol

[spice lava]

not even aware about the good benefit of the acorn, someone told me when I reached 40 because I felt Hades was very tough to keep on with pom blossom

[edgy arrow]

don’t worry you’re not the only one

[light stag]

I used to be able to reach Hades and was close to beating him one time (and I would very probably succeeded if I hadn't forgotten to switch out my keepsake for the acorn)

[edgy arrow]

there’s a weird amount of love for pom blossom if you ask me

[shy plinth]

@light stag take a look at the pact that I posted in #h1-victory-boasting last night, it dodges AP1 and full hard labor

I just cleared my first round of 32s on all weapons with it

[edgy arrow]

it’s not a bad keepsake but the circumstances where it’s optimal are kinda niche imo

[shy plinth]

HL2 LC4 CF2 UC MM BP2 FO1 EM3 TD3

[edgy arrow]

looks like a good pact

if they’re running zeus demeter or something keeping DC2 is probably a good idea tho

[shy plinth]

Yeah

It's flexible

[daring hedge]

the TD3 might take adjustment for them

[light stag]

I will try it but I don't how I will survive +50% damage

[daring hedge]

they're having trouble with TD2 elysium

[edgy arrow]

at least there’s no JS or AP tho

that’ll help

[shy plinth]

Yeah like if the damage isn't coming online because of AP then elysium is gonna blow

Especially JS elysium

That base pact shell has flexibility between picking your poison - the 3 points of heat that you can decide to skip are between TD3, FO1, and the last few points of hard labor

Or if you want to do all three you can drop CF and something else

Beo run etc

But that pact basically just means have clean boss fights and get damage online early, once your DPS is down it's not as punishing

But it's not uncommon to die in elysium if the damage doesn't come together

[light stag]

but nah I'm not going to survive Hades with +50% damage

[edgy arrow]

you can swap the DC2 back in and run HL0

[shy plinth]

Yeah that works fine

[vital grove]

You could try AP1

[shy plinth]

They're running ap1 already

[vital grove]

And hope for the best

[shy plinth]

Ap1 sucks

[waxen relic]

if you actually equip acorn hades will be easier regardless of HL

[shy plinth]

Like at a certain point you will have to get hit less

But yeah acorn helps a ton

[true fable]

for fists

just remember

it is ok

to take your finger off the attack button

to dodge things

[vital grove]

Yeah 32 requires some skill to beat, you can only adjust the pact so much before you have to put in the work

[daring hedge]

yeah

that's kinda huge for staying safe

empty dashing

[shy plinth]

Tail is the empty dash king

[spice lava]

reminds me I have a question for you Tail

Do you sometimes cancel your charging shot with Rama to dash out/dodge?

[daring hedge]

definitely; the ability to just release it early in a bad situation is big

i don't always make the perfect call for when to try a power shot

you can be greedy but you don't have to fully commit to that greed, if that makes sense

[spice lava]

Yeah your instinct says it's not a good idea so you get out before taking damages

[true fable]

also i believe

dashing out of the charge shot

has i frames

[daring hedge]

yeah

[spice lava]

I tried Rama on 50 heat but at my current level TD3 is tough at Tartarus and I felt some of my calls were bad but if I'm too careful I don't do enough powershots so my Tartarus clear is slower

[daring hedge]

high heat TD3 makes it so you can't spend too much time making bad power shot calls, yeah

[spice lava]

And sisters make bad calls really obvious

Do you have a good success rate at Tartarus with Rama or you still die a lot there?

[light stag]

I died on the barge of death

HL2 is worse that AP

[daring hedge]

i have pretty solid success rate there by now

i've just run high heat tart and high heat rama a ton

[spice lava]

the aspect is in your DNA 👀

[daring hedge]

lol true

sometimes my rama muscle memory accidentally carries over when i'm playing other aspects

[spice lava]

I I have a Hestia muscle memory when I play another aspect so that doesn't work well most of the time 😄

[gaunt fiber]

Today for the first time, I got deadly flourish + charged skewer. 2 times. in like 300 runs

I threw these runs of course

When I get good boons I feel pressured

[spice lava]

don't worry, those runs die to forge your future victory 👀

[gaunt fiber]

That last Elysium was hilarious

Flamewheelers in EVERY room

They took my tooth, Asterius charged and I'm here (no patty)

[daring hedge]

classic patty going missing on the runs that matter

[gaunt fiber]

Can confirm I get him every run that's gonna die anyway

[spice lava]

Patty doesn't like good paces, bad boons like AP2

What a life

[gaunt fiber]

I'll start Artemis from now on tho

I need to crit

Shackle baited me in so many dead runs

[spice lava]

40 base damage special + artemis sounds good

[gaunt fiber]

45 my boyo

[spice lava]

my point is still valid boyo

[gaunt fiber]

of course boyo

[daring hedge]

let's be real though it's the charged skewer damage that actually matters

boyo

[gaunt fiber]

Sure

But when I get charged skewer I end up with no boons on it

[spice lava]

One day you'll win

[gaunt fiber]

Maybe

The thing is I've gotten good at non charged skewer Guan yu

And when I get it, well... Brain disconnects

[bright mango]

No rng disconnects

[gaunt fiber]

AP2 is AP2

[bright mango]

Lol yeah

Starting with artemis is a good idea tho

If you can get deadly flourish that’s an ezdub

[gaunt fiber]

even deadly strike for spins

she has a lot of good stuff

[bright mango]

Ye

Almost got my first no hit run today

I had divine dash and the Athena legendary but i only used the legendary twice in styx chambers

Divine dash was a crutch tho

52% pierced butterfly

[shy plinth]

There is no adjustment that will not take time to learn, and one run is not enough to evaluate

If what you were doing before wasn't working, you can keep trying it, but there will be an efficiency issue when you switch to something different for the first time

[bright mango]

Ap is worse than HL5 imo

[shy plinth]

But if what felt right before didn't work, it's time to try something that feels wrong

[bright mango]

AP just sucks so bad

[shy plinth]

It is not impactful to combat so it feels like easier heat, but it removes the ability to make meaningful decisions a good chunk of the time and makes it harder to get builds going

It has snowballing impacts that you don't feel until later in a run

[bright mango]

^^^

[pseudo girder]

The worst part about AP is not being able to reroll certain UC choices

[bright mango]

I made the mistake of taking AP2 at 40 heat

[spice lava]

The worst part about AP is having the same and only bad choice after 1 or 2 rerolls

[light stag]

yeah HL is a no go

with AP1 at least you can you can get decent stats most of the times

better build doesn't do anything for me if early mosses / mini bosses kill me

[shy plinth]

I don't think dying in elysium is better than dying in asphodel

Just takes longer

Dying in tartarus is super duper common, you just roll again if it doesn't work out

But at a certain point you just have to figure out how to get hit less

Maybe FO1 isn't the answer to try if it's challenging there, I know you said you were used to it but it compounds with HL for sure

[spice lava]

With BP2 Tartarus difficulty increases, and it's worse with FO2

[shy plinth]

Yeah dying in tartarus is not the sign of a bad pact

Just that the game gets harder when you have the least resources to work with

The pact amplifies that

This is extra true with weapons like Beo that need a ton of boons to get going but are unstoppable when they do

[bronze viper]

Your own feelings are great for this. When you play the game, when you clear a room, did it feel good? Bad? Why? Your feelings won't give you the answers but it helps formulate questions.

[spice lava]

Yeah feelings have an influence on the way you play the game

EM4 is a difficult thing for most of us, but for people like Retrash, it works because it looks like adapted

[bronze viper]

Eventually you'll build the vocabulary to be able to specifically critique your own actions but before that your feelings do a great job of highlighting systemic issues. If things feel slow, they probably are slow

[spice lava]

Vods and screenshots are hints to see how it could be done, but at the end the answer to clear your run is only yours

Whatever the aspect you choose and the pact you set

As long as it feels adapted to you and sounds right

[bronze viper]

Lol, and at worst it's very easy to qualify what you should not have done. When you get hit especially.

[bright mango]

All you got to do is keep playing

Soon you’ll get the intuition of what to do in certain situations

You’ll be able to predict enemy attacks and movement

[pseudo girder]

So...

Any tips for doing Spear at 32 heat?

There aren't any recommended Spear aspects on the pinned guide so I suppose I'll go for Achilles

since that's the only one I have maxed out

[gaunt fiber]

Get flurry jab

With Achilles

Zeus attack for the aoe or Artemis work well

You could also go for cast build I guess

[bright mango]

I cheesed mine with exploding launcher hades spear

If you can get guan yu and charged skewer thats also a free 32 spear imo

[spring kettle]

but half health, gross

[bright mango]

Charged skewer makes up for it

Its special is so good

[halcyon flame]

achilles hunting blades got me a really easy 32 hear win

[gaunt fiber]

Half health does not really matter

Says the guy that repeatedly dies in one hit

I mean it's not bad at 32

[pseudo girder]

GY seems like a spear that'd be better at HL0 FO0

[light stag]

Guan Yu isn't really that good even without the health reduction

The special is good. Everybody just say to focus on the special and ignore the attack and spin

[quartz mantle]

You can spin in between enemy spawn waves

Also it makes LC4 even more free than it already is

[pseudo girder]

...So there's really like

No benefit

I guess the healing is good to have more health between SD lives

[quartz mantle]

You could also just

Run DD instead

[gaunt fiber]

It's a good aspect

Just requires practice

[quartz mantle]

Although I’m not the guan yu expert here

[pseudo girder]

Well, either way, Zeus Attack Achilles it is

[gaunt fiber]

DDs are indeed an option

[wanton plover]

i love hades spear

[light stag]

I remember when I tried to run I would like go into a chaos gate and then try to heal up with the spins

And since the spins are so bad and hard to hit that it would just get me damaged more and would try to heal more and get into a cycle and die

until I stumbled on build focused on the special and that's I used it to clear a run and make the prophecy for taking GU to the surface

[neat sonnet]

if that's the case then you're not giving yourself enough space or time, it takes knowledge of the aspect and enemies to spin right

astaos can probably explain better but you need to know how far it goes, how long it takes to charge and travel etc

[light stag]

the regular spear spin feels so much better

[neat sonnet]

I really like GY honestly, it forces me to play better and helps me see mistakes

way faster

[bronze viper]

Learning to baby spin with Hades made playing GY feel a lot better with incidental healing. Though @gaunt fiber can vouch that I don't actually incidentally heal when I'm under pressure lmao. Only when I'm at full health.

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao yeah

For me it was the other way around

[neat sonnet]

oh yeah no the success rate on spin healing for me has gone up but still I'm probably net negative

[gaunt fiber]

GY made me better at Hades

[bronze viper]

I definitely got hit by Dad charging a spin when I was full health. I was no longer at full health after that exchange.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

Trading is in general bad with Guan Yu lmao

Especially with a spin

[neat sonnet]

yeah because even if you hit 10 enemies with it (more like 3) it's never gonna get you back all the hp

[bronze viper]

Not with that attitude

[wanton plover]

[light stag]

And it also feels like you would never want to use the spin jsut to do damage, when using the special is so much easier

[gaunt fiber]

Really depends

[wintry berry]

You can precast spin between waves or phases

[gaunt fiber]

The spin is big damage

The more I play Guan Yu the more I spin

[shy gulch]

i still do not get how you can get a decent amount of spins off without quick or massive

[bronze viper]

Yeah baby spins are extremely low opportunity cost

[light stag]

guess you have to get used to it, because it was hard to hit anything for me

[shy gulch]

the thing w baby spins is that they just fizzle out too soon for me

so i have to be close to enemies

which means i get hit

gg

[bronze viper]

It's the same gameplay loop as Hades aspect with FO2

[shy gulch]

hm

i guess thats fair

hades spear was surprisingly easy at 40 when i last tried it so maybe i need to get back to that rhythm

spin2win

[light stag]

that's why I never leveled it up after I did 1 clear and kept it at level 1 until maxed every other aspect

[neat sonnet]

I'm sorry

you cleared it with 15% hp

that's why it was painful

[vital grove]

When I played Hades Spear I got explosive charged Skewer lol

[neat sonnet]

even no heat is gonna suck when you start with literally getting 2hit

[vital grove]

Spin for boost, throw

[neat sonnet]

that's a beautiful combo phoenix

[vital grove]

It's better than GY

But the high roll of those hammers

[neat sonnet]

yeah if you just got charged on GY you could go off : )

[wintry berry]

The same high roll as rocket cluster on Eris

[neat sonnet]

I mean any two hammer high roll is like that

[vital grove]

The 150% boost just makes it much stronger

[bronze viper]

It's not nearly as important on GY but it's a lot of free value to give up to not look for opportunities to do it.

[light stag]

it was actually level 2 not level 1, sorry

[neat sonnet]

that's still like.. so so little health even as a GY user I feel for that

[bronze viper]

Yeah, pff imagine playing GY with half the normal GY life total @gaunt fiber

Who would choose to do that to themselves

[neat sonnet]

are you trying to tell me that I shouldn't use high confidence legerdamayn

[rain sedge]

I still dont know how to win against greatshields in small rooms

my run just died, I saved it as practice run, and I still can't clear it consistently

[bronze viper]

Lol I'll say that High Confidence is really well named

[gaunt fiber]

who indeed

you actually motivated me

let's try

again

[light stag]

Does anyone actually use High Confidence?

and actually utilize it?

I get the feeling that even high level players speedrunners etc. don't use it often

[solar maple]

most speedrunners use it

not for high heat though

[light stag]

except for No hit runs/ pierced butterfly runs etc

[solar maple]

in fact, thick skin is the novelty in speedruns

only for when you want to be extra safe

[rain sedge]

thats why I wanted to see GY aspect on HC

so speedrunners actually have to take survivability into account

[solar maple]

a speedrunner would never tell you they took thick skin to not die

that would be the real reason

but they would tell you it was so they could take chaos gates

[shy gulch]

yeah high confidence is the common choice for speedrunning, thick skin is the unusual one

[rain sedge]

good evening pog frog

[shy gulch]

i basically always use it now, sometimes i forget to turn it back when i start doing high heat LOL

whats up schad

[rain sedge]

how goes your adventure at 24x40 land?

[solar maple]

yeah I only used thick skin on weapons I was bad at when first starting out speeedrunning

[rain sedge]

have you enjoyed gilgamesh 40 yet?

[shy gulch]

im like halfway there schad

[solar maple]

now I only use thick skin for my 32+ heat runs

[shy gulch]

i was gonna do some yesterday but i just did not feel like playing anything so i didnt end up doing anythin

maybe tonight i'll knock out a couple

i have not yet done gilga

im gonna do luci next, then probably start trying the harder ones

GY, gilga, arthur, zag sword / spear

i think i have decided that TD2 is my friend

[rain sedge]

TD2 🤮

[shy gulch]

TD2 is sooooo chill

i love it

i will gladly trade some JS or CP for TD2

[rain sedge]

what will your speedrunner gang say

when you choose slowness instead of speed?

[shy gulch]

probably nothing

TD2 master race

schad u wanna know something cursed

i almost timed out on TD2 with a 2 sack earlier

i hate chiron so much

[rain sedge]

it's ironically not a race, since it's so slow

wtf?

40 heat?

[shy gulch]

yeah

[rain sedge]

chiron is still so nice on 40 heat

[shy gulch]

no i hate it with a passion

[rain sedge]

are you taking CP2 JS3 or something

[shy gulch]

something about it does not jive with me

LOL i was just doing like

JS2 CP1 or something

idr

i had like 60 seconds left after beatign dad

[rain sedge]

what....?

are you doing something weird like

thunder flourish

[shy gulch]

jesus no

i think what happened was

i was just doing drunken flourish and running away

i wanted to play the weapon as little as possible

so i let hangover do the job for me

chiron stinky dude

[rain sedge]

that's uh

an interesting build sir

[shy gulch]

is it?

drunken flourish is normal isnt it

on chiron

its either that or deadly flourish

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[shy gulch]

either way

chiron 40 is done

so i can banish it from my head for all of time

[rain sedge]

I think ledger did an explanation of why drunken flourish is inferior to straight damage builds

I personally think it's awful

unless you're doing some niche strat like piercing volley

[shy gulch]

it let me use my weapon less than i normally have to

so im happy with it

[daring hedge]

lol

[rain sedge]

because I think it applies hangover to everything

oh no

the fox has come

to correct me

[shy gulch]

lol

look you're probably 100% correct

[rain sedge]

alright tail

[shy gulch]

and tbh, i could not care less about chiron builds

[rain sedge]

let's hear why I'm wrong

[shy gulch]

chiron can go burn for all i care about it

[daring hedge]

no i don't even play chiron that much i have no strong opinions

i slapped on deadly flourish for my 50 and called it a day

[rain sedge]

I thought you're loling me

okai

pog frog you're up for a fun adventure if you think chiron is that bad

I can't wait until you tell us the tales of your gilga run

[daring hedge]

oh no i thought croven's comment about using chiron as little as possible was funny

[shy gulch]

i feel like i'll enjoy gilga more

because i'll just slap splash dash on and then yeet myself around

[rain sedge]

I'm saving this comment and will @ you with it when the day comes 🙂

[daring hedge]

dash memes being fun and effective because of ruthless on gilga is great tbh

with some maims here and there to boost them even further

[rain sedge]

I feel like

I want it to be fun

but it's just not

[daring hedge]

perhaps you need to empty dash more

[rain sedge]

perhaps I need to get splitting bolt on tartarus

I heard that helps 🙂

[light stag]

a splash dash primary run would also work on Eris

[daring hedge]

it does help :)

[light stag]

since it is the only aspect that gives you general bonus damage

[rain sedge]

Tailesque how do you deal with the salt overload from playing AP2?

[light stag]

just special and dash

[rain sedge]

I'm struggling to remain positive at my 56 run

[daring hedge]

the dopamine received from getting a good hammer or boon every once in a while

it's honestly just kinda determination to get the thing done that you set out to do

but of course with breaks if needed

[rain sedge]

I see

I havent seen pat or a good hammer/build in so long 😦

I just want jolted

or a decent hammer

but no

[gaunt fiber]

Third serrated in a row pog

[shy plinth]

They do travel in threes

[gaunt fiber]

Makes sense

[solar maple]

doing nem 50 heat runs right now

lernie is so scary

out of the 9 heat spawns

7 were blue

aaaaa

how kill fo2 slammers with sword

I did live, but with 3hp after losing tooth haha

[light stag]

since people are advising me to drop Approval Process for my 32 heat, I feel that UC, CF and TD are doing more to hurt my builds than AP1

[solar maple]

AP1 is quite painful

how many TD are you running?

[light stag]

TD2 and I'm having trouble beating Elysium with it.

[rain sedge]

20 imaginary currency says that he's running CP2/JS3

[light stag]

TD makes you skip encounter rewards/take shops where you don't anything

[shy gulch]

lmfao tidal dash gilga is so stupid

tis just melted

[rain sedge]

I just misclicked buying darkness on charon shop 🙂

why do they make the interact so close together 🙂

[daring hedge]

ruthless is OP when gilga actually lets you use it for free off the bat

[rain sedge]

and pog frog if you actually do it with tidal dash imma be impressed

[solar maple]

AP1 makes you take bad boons and hammers I tend to avoid it until the 40s of heat. it really isn't that bad to pick up a boon to sell for UC

[gaunt fiber]

Mr hat

i got 4

Is it a bug or something

[shy plinth]

Yes

Your game is broken

If you get to hades and it has 3 phases ask Retrash what to do

[shy gulch]

holy hell this is hilarious

I’m basically doing a dash only run

if only I had Poseidon T2’s

[daring hedge]

that's how it be with gilga

[shy plinth]

WTB 1 wave pounding

I've always enjoyed gilga with blade dash+vortex

[daring hedge]

yeah tidal, thunder and blade are probably the best ones

passion is ok, just doesn't get much in terms of things to put on top like the others

other than sweet surrender

[solar maple]

YOOO

beat heroes for the first time

on nem 50

now for styx

[rain sedge]

remember the time

pseudo thought

he's only good at 1 weapon

and I said

if you're good at 1 weapon you'd be good at others

🙂

grats pseudo

[solar maple]

nah I'm still going to choke it

🙂

I did lose my DD in heroes

and I didn't leave time to get sacked

only 30s left

[rain sedge]

grats on the 2 sac mr speedrunner

I believe

[shy plinth]

Yeah just get a 2 sack

[daring hedge]

just game better and 2sack shows up smh

[shy gulch]

this is so stupid

I didn’t click my attack or special once throughout all of elysium

wish I had breaking wave tho

[shy plinth]

Poseidon tier 2s are the best

[solar maple]

no

got 2 sack

choked dad

am bad

don't deserve that tbh

played so awful

I really don't know how to play dad safe with melee weapons

like at all

[shy gulch]

yeah it’s really hard

don’t beat urself up, getting to dad on 50 nem is really impressive

[solar maple]

I've just never learned how

I learned just enough playing safe to not die on nem sword speedruns

and I still do that sometimes

[rain sedge]

Okay

I've decided

56 heat too RNG heavy

I give up 🙂

[solar maple]

oh really

you don't say

yeah I respect it

[shy gulch]

come to speedrunning :)

[rain sedge]

I did 53 heat, happy with that, AP2 is basically adding an extra layer of luck

[shy gulch]

less rng :)

:)

[solar maple]

yeah I gave up on my AP2 beo runs

[rain sedge]

I uninstalled the game now

[solar maple]

I'm an AP1 gamer

[rain sedge]

it's making me unhappy and making me do less useful stuff with my life

[wintry berry]

I already heard that before

[rain sedge]

gonna leave the server so I don't get tempted, see ya everyone

was nice knowing you all

[solemn pulsar]

Dang he gone

[shy plinth]

Well then

We'll miss you Schad 😦

[shy gulch]

:(

bye schad

[bronze viper]

I slayed this beast yesterday. Good riddance.

[shy gulch]

I did it just now

probably my favorite 40 heat, this was hilarious

1 sec, getting screenshot

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/Vqo7iiD

classic beo start

[shy plinth]

Chamber 10???

Also, Astaos

Why do you play in English

[daring hedge]

yeah that's not very imperdable of you

[shy plinth]

What's the go-to cast for poseidon sword

Zeus? Artie?

Feels like true shot exit wounds is probably a reasonable strat to set up for mirage shot as well

Though exit wounds might be one of the most overrated boons in the game

[daring hedge]

phalanx is all the rage now

[shy plinth]

Phalanx poseidon? I can see it

[daring hedge]

yeah it's pretty fun and effective

[shy plinth]

I just did a phalanx hera though

[daring hedge]

especially if you get lightning phalanx

[shy plinth]

I crave variety

[shy gulch]

any cast works on Poseidon tbh

it’s extremely flexible

[bronze viper]

I mean, it is, but it shouldn't matter that much at 40 :3.

[shy gulch]

I like arty cast too if ur not into phalanx atm

[gaunt fiber]

Easier to communicate with people

[shy plinth]

I guess cast buffing even works if you're not dislodging casts

[daring hedge]

beam and blade are kinda lame though because no aspect gimmick beyond slightly boosted casts

[shy plinth]

Yeah

[gaunt fiber]

Knowing the english names and stuff

[shy plinth]

Also dio

[bronze viper]

(though I have absolutely timed out to TD2 on Chiron before lmao)

[daring hedge]

and that yeah

[shy gulch]

beam blade and trippy kinda need the duos

[gaunt fiber]

Although the french version is amazing

[shy plinth]

The french translation does seem great

I feel like flood flare would be a pain

Just because melee+poseidon

But probs a decent amount of damage

[shy gulch]

flood shot is perfectly fine on poseidon sword

it just can struggle a bit in aspho because everything with knockback can struggle a bit in aspho

also i feel bad schad left before i could post 40 gilga :(

[shy plinth]

Eh he needs a breather

[bronze viper]

I always get megasad when I play cast aspects in Asphodel lol

[shy plinth]

Yeah seriously

I did two heras in a row and died on the first one because I missed on two hermes pickups for the legendary

There are spots you can shoot the cast that are literally inaccessible

[bronze viper]

"goodbye dps, into the pits of Mt. Doom with you."

[shy plinth]

Just gotta wait and plink plink plink

[shy gulch]

yeah thats why crush shot on hera is my favorite

i would like phalanx but you just lose casts

so much

[shy plinth]

Yep

When I go phalanx I always plume in asphodel

And roll hard for recall

[shy gulch]

if u miss ONE in aspho, good bye casts

yeah

thats fair

[shy plinth]

But I missed on the first run I tried and then immediately died to slam dancers

Got there on the second but it's still boon roulette

Crush shot makes a lot of sense, casts go where you tell them to go

[bronze viper]

Unfortunately the games takes that a bit literally and you really have to land your shots with Crush Shot Hera lol

[shy plinth]

It's a weird artillery

[bronze viper]

Pff, landing shots with a bow

[shy plinth]

It's easy with rama

Because I am standing next to them

[bronze viper]

Oh, boo, just finished reading the backlogged posts. We lost Schad 😦

[shy plinth]

Guy needs a break to reset his relationship with the game

Hoping we see him again

[shy gulch]

same

it happens

[bronze viper]

Yeah, it wasn't too big of a surprise. The high heat burnout is real.

[shy gulch]

yeah i feel like playing this game at a high enough level in any context is going to cause some burnout

seen a lot of speedrunners taking a bit of a break too recently

[bronze viper]

Breaks are good

[shy gulch]

for sure

[bronze viper]

I don't think I would've still been enjoying this game if I'd been playing it non-stop this whole time lol

[shy gulch]

i think personally, moving between high heat and speed is helping

if i ever get frustrated with one i can move to the other

[solar maple]

speed definitely frustrates me more

[bronze viper]

Yeah Schad mentioned he ran out of projects to keep him interested so he was really committed to his one masochistic venture

[daring hedge]

i just play an actual different game sometimes which helps

[shy gulch]

yeah that would do it too lol

wht games do u play tail

[daring hedge]

as much as i like hades i really enjoy not playing it sometimes

[bronze viper]

Yeah, another game, or a book, or cataracts surgery. The normal getaways.

[shy gulch]

i got gifted slay the spire recently so ive been meaning to start it up

[daring hedge]

i play a lot of monster hunter, dark souls/bloodborne

[shy plinth]

SLAY

@shy gulch any time you wanna talk slay you let me know

[shy gulch]

will do

[daring hedge]

lately been playing a taito shooter called dariusburst

[shy plinth]

I am a card gamer first and a hades gamer second

[shy gulch]

i think im still into hades enough that i'll keep going w it tho

[bronze viper]

I'll def be playing Rise when it comes out

[solar maple]

you even have the health curse 🙂

[shy gulch]

once i do 40 all aspects i might decide to go to STS tho

we'll see

[solar maple]

very classic beo start

[shy plinth]

I usually do both most days

The daily climb in slay is perfect

[shy gulch]

oh yeah tail is that the one you were saying helps you with witch rooms LOL

[daring hedge]

LOL yeah

some of the bosses are brutal bullet hells

[bronze viper]

I played RoR for a while, it's a very good game but it didn't grip for a long time like Hades did.

I think the runs can take too long, for one. It's kind of exhausting.

[shy gulch]

^this is honestly how i feel with super high heat sometimes

like 50

slogging through 30 minutes of aspho and elysium just to get like 4 sacked

[daring hedge]

yeah i def try to make TD3 work before TD2

[bronze viper]

Oh for sure. I spread out my 50 projects pretty wide lol.

[daring hedge]

just couldn't do it for chaos shield lol

[shy gulch]

i think 40 is where im happiest

i can run TD2, RI0, and AP0

beautiful

[solemn pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790729912163368991/815355145080406016/unknown.png

[shy gulch]

LOL

[bronze viper]

I just got lucky that RNG favored me and I finished 50 Rama and 51 Chiron so quickly.

[daring hedge]

i've actually watched that show recently lmao

[bronze viper]

I slotted a lot more time into those projects than they took

[shy gulch]

yeah you got those p quickly ledger

particularly that chiron lmao

[solemn pulsar]

https://i.imgflip.com/30q1jt.png

baj

[shy gulch]

lmfao

thats so accurate

[shy plinth]

But he plays zeus shield

He's used to looking in two places at once

[solemn pulsar]

there's actually a version of that meme

[shy gulch]

l m a o

[solemn pulsar]

with "following zeus special" and "attacking enemies"

that was made a while ago, for baj

[shy gulch]

his brain is permanently split into 2 fully functioning parts

[shy plinth]

Zeus shield feels like those GDQ runs where one player controls both player characters

[daring hedge]

that's how all my 50+ clears on stream felt like. ah, splitting bolt eris. ah, charged shot beo. lightning phalanx poseidon etc.

[bronze viper]

I'm still mindblown you can aim the shield on KBM. It's not enough for me to relearn controls but yeah that's so sick lol.

[solar maple]

I also find it amusing that I've gotten closer on my nem sword high heat attempts than my rama, zeus or hestia attempts

but yeah the aiming in kbm is sometimes really nice

but sometimes awful

like I love it for the shield (other than maybe for the special)

but for the rail attack? bleh

good for rail special though

[daring hedge]

yeah making scint feast work well on baby hestia was a bit of a challenge for faster moving opponents like hades

because of controller

[solar maple]

yeah aiming that with a control stick seems rough

I just click on the enemies haha

maybe I should set up a controller sometimes just to see how it is

never even tried it

[bronze viper]

Auto aim does a lot of heavy lifting.

Bad for Lucifer though

[solar maple]

oh really?

why lucy specifically ?

[daring hedge]

the autoaim is okay for a decent chunk of situations but then when i want to lead a fast opponent it's just... awkward

[bronze viper]

You can't really auto aim at the hellfire bombs in a chaotic room lol. It's pretty close to impossible

[solar maple]

ah I see

yeah I turn auto aim off entirely for most weapons on kbm

I just hate how it makes me attack the wrong enemy/clones/ruins multi hits

I only use it for rail at this point

[bronze viper]

Also yeah leading shots with Hestia is really rough with controller. You need to be in a particular position or the shot will miss 100% of the time on a moving target

[solar maple]

because the attack is just too hard to hit consistently while dashing around with rail

[unique zephyr]

I also hit pots with Hestia vs dad

Bc auto aim

[daring hedge]

achilles special autoaiming at pots :)

[shy gulch]

that’s the worst tail

ugh

[bronze viper]

The downsides are still pretty small comparatively, obviously, otherwise we'd turn it off

[solar maple]

achilles special with auto aim sounds terrible haha

[shy gulch]

it’s usually fine

[solar maple]

yeah obviously it lets you hit things

[shy gulch]

until you get to dad :)

[solar maple]

idk I play most games kbm

[shy gulch]

I play most games kb :)

[solar maple]

I'm just more used to it

[unique zephyr]

Kbm would hurt my fingers

Controller feels comfy to me

[solar maple]

also I don't own a good controller

[bronze viper]

I like platformers and action games with controller.

[solar maple]

needing to play with auto aim is a big part of why I don't like rail

[bronze viper]

Rama is a weird one for me. I would love to play the main shot without auto aim but having to aim the special would be a massive pain in the pooper

[solar maple]

yeah that's how I feel

I turn off auto aim but then I miss like 1/4 specials

but being able to adjust the main attack to snipe 3 things with triple shot?

chef's kiss

[daring hedge]

the autoaim has definitely made me adapt more to actively spacing and positioning myself to make shots line up

[bronze viper]

Yeah, Rama would theoretically be able to do a lot more trickshotty things without auto aim but I'm a filthy casul and I would miss specials left and right

[daring hedge]

accounting for autoaim's wonkiness in real time

[bronze viper]

I agree that puzzle is fun.

[bright mango]

Yes I would too

I tried one run without autoaim and missed so many shots

[bronze viper]

Me too, only tried once lmao. Died out of salt.

[solar maple]

I tried it with and without and auto aim frustrated me more

idk I just don't like it

[bright mango]

I think i tried it with Lucifer and it was so bad

[solar maple]

I use if for other bows though

I'm not that much of a gamer

[bronze viper]

Yeah it's definitely a preference thing. Fwiw I think from a git gud perspective the ceiling on no auto aim is probably (?) higher

Not accounting for stuff like auto aim locking on to enemies off screen

[solar maple]

yeah off screen is annoying

[bronze viper]

You can already kind of do that with casts though.

Nah I meant it in a positive way. It's a godsend on Hestia and Zag Bow for me

[solar maple]

no I meant no auto aim off screen is annoyinng

[bronze viper]

Just kind of randomly firing into the Aether and assuming auto aim will find something

Oh oh

[solar maple]

yeah I would love being able to just wave my hand in the general direction of a wavemaker and have it die

[bright mango]

Lul

[solar maple]

have I mentioned that I don't like wavemaker's

maybe only 10 times

[bronze viper]

They certainly Auto aim on you from off screen.

It's only fair you can do it back lol

[solar maple]

also I hate when I rely on auto aim to aim for me

but the enemy hasn't finished spawning yet

so I just completely wiff

[light stag]

pseudo you don't need to turn off autoaim when you have aim at cursor because it does almost nothing

[solar maple]

it does almost nothing so I just prefer not to have it

it messes up my multi hits

by locking on

[unique zephyr]

I think I’ll use TD2 for now lol

[solar maple]

when I want to hit with the edge of the attack

[light stag]

it sort of soft locks you cursor but the effect is negligible

do you use aim at cursor?

[bronze viper]

No shame in that :3. I still mostly exclusively play TD2

[bright mango]

I suppose on kbm not having autoaim is probably easier

[solar maple]

I have 145 health in chamber 7

with RI2

health good

me safe

[light stag]

It took me a lot of time to even notice that Auto Aim had an effect. For a long time I thought it was disabled when you use Aim at Cursor

Honestly I wish there was a working aim assist on mouse

[solar maple]

it only affects a few things, and I like about half of them

but since it just feels weird/bad to me I turn it off

[light stag]

I often miss shots and what's worse you spend takes alot of time to line up your ranged attacks so it is sometimes slower

[gaunt fiber]

Ok

One more time out on Ely

And some questionable red circles on Lernie

[solar maple]

oh I'm definitely in the minority in how much I don't like auto aim yeah

[light stag]

Bow especially was excruciating at first especially when you have to move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other for

I remember it was very hard to properly damage Theseus when he retreated after throwing spear

I do hate the autoaim when you don't use Aim at Cursor - it makes lobbing hard

[solar maple]

As I said I do use it for non rama bows and for rail

[light stag]

*hate not have

If I had a controller, the only way I would use it is I remember someone on reddit had messed with the settings and made it so you could ai with the right stick essentially turning the game into a twin stick shooter

[solar maple]

then for some weapons it just doesn't matter at all

like for beo

[light stag]

but even with autoaim I still miss shots and you have to be almost pixel perfect especially with spear or shield special

Some times with spear attack also

the hitbox on that is so thin

you can a little off and the hit doesn't connect

[solar maple]

the reason I don't like it is it only auto aims if your curser is on the enemy, where I often just click between me and them or behind them

since it's just a direction

so it feels very inconsistent

[light stag]

yeah then you can ignore it

[solar maple]

yeah but it just means that every once in a while my curser randomly locks and I get confused

If I can't rely on it, I don't want it

if I had been playing with it from the start, I would probably be used to it

but I turned it off like day 1 when I first got the game

just out of habit

back in EA

[unique zephyr]

Yay hating timer buddies! I wonder what’s the highest heat TD2 is reasonable at? I finished my tasks for today so time to start some runs lol

[solar maple]

retrash does it at 50+

[bright mango]

It’s insane

[solar maple]

so you can go quite high with TD2

[bright mango]

I watched retrash gilga 53 and the entire time i was like 0_0

[unique zephyr]

I wish I was good enough at EM4 to take it at high heat lol

[light stag]

One thing where the autoaim is good is that it locks to moving enemies

[unique zephyr]

But EM4 with SD is...yeah

[bright mango]

It’s not bad

[solar maple]

yeah that fight is tough

[bright mango]

With beo em4 is free heat

[solar maple]

it's true 🙂

[daring hedge]

:)

[unique zephyr]

How does beo like DC

[solar maple]

beo does not like DC

[bright mango]

It doesn’t

[solar maple]

don't take DC pls

[unique zephyr]

Ok noted

[light stag]

like dracons can teleport behind you and if your were aiming with them then the aim will just follow them

[solar maple]

you can do it

but it's very slow

[bright mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812522738790039592/812522851058974720/image0.png

[solar maple]

costs more time than JS I find

[unique zephyr]

It’s not like fists or Rama then

[bright mango]

This is a good beo 32 setup

[unique zephyr]

Where DC isn’t bad

[bright mango]

If you are looking for one

[solar maple]

snow burst = good build

[shy gulch]

CF2 on beo monka

[unique zephyr]

I’ll replace TD3 with FO1

[bright mango]

Ok

Sure

[daring hedge]

not pinning charged shot smh

[shy gulch]

personally id prob go FO1/2, TD2, and some JS instead of CF

[solar maple]

I would replace CF2 with FO1 but yeah that seems reasonable

[shy gulch]

tho thats just my take

[bright mango]

No i wanted to highlight that mirage shot screwed my over

[shy gulch]

you can do TD3 but i find it much more comfy to do TD2

[bright mango]

I like td3

[unique zephyr]

I dislike TD3 in general

[daring hedge]

screwed me over too in 50

[unique zephyr]

I don’t like being reliant on sacks

[bright mango]

For 32 i really like td3

[daring hedge]

i had so many chances for it to show up

[solar maple]

beo can do td3 easy if you know how to play it

[gaunt fiber]

Can we talk about AP2 real quick

[shy gulch]

TD3 is fine with beowulf, and no JS/CP/DC

but its very comfy to do TD2

[daring hedge]

do we have to

[unique zephyr]

I don’t ever run AP yet but sure?

[gaunt fiber]

I guess not

lol

[bright mango]

Astaos just hates ap2

[solar maple]

don't run ap pls

[unique zephyr]

AP sounds miserable

[bright mango]

I’ve started to hate it so much just by watching him

[gaunt fiber]

My AP2 is bugged

[unique zephyr]

And like a 50+ heat thing

[shy gulch]

its like a mid 40s thing

[solar maple]

AP1 is like a 40+ thing

[bright mango]

Triple jab, extending jab

[solar maple]

ap2 is a 50+ thing

[shy gulch]

i avoid it at 40 but it is a legitimate option at 40 heat

[bright mango]

I took ap2 on my hestia 40 and it was miserable

[solar maple]

yeah I usually don't take it at 40

[unique zephyr]

I’m still amazed bablo has a 40 streak

[bright mango]

Never take it below 50

[daring hedge]

AP2 is "i seriously either cannot or really don't want to put heat elsewhere" last resort type deal

[unique zephyr]

I want to high heat streak someday

[shy gulch]

what tail said yeah

[solar maple]

Yeah

[bright mango]

Tailesque over here streaking at 50

[solar maple]

for beo, I can't take RI3 because my weapon doesn't work

[gaunt fiber]

It's like the game does not want me to get good stuff

[bright mango]

It really doesnt

[gaunt fiber]

but game does not know I will try again and again

[solar maple]

so my 57 heat pact RI2 AP1 all else maxed

[bright mango]

I am a witness to that

[gaunt fiber]

Until I succeed

[solar maple]

so avoid AP2 as long as possible haha

[unique zephyr]

What heat are you trying

[bright mango]

50

[unique zephyr]

And I assume GY right?

[bright mango]

Astaos

[solar maple]

astaos? yeah GY is a good guess

[bright mango]

We’re making progress

It’s happening

[gaunt fiber]

Correct guess

I understand the game now

Like until 50

[bright mango]

He can make it to the heroes a lot now

[gaunt fiber]

I did not need to care about Lernie

[bright mango]

It’s just the timer

[unique zephyr]

So I wonder what everyone’s least favorite fury is at high heat

[bright mango]

Meg

[gaunt fiber]

Meg

[bright mango]

Imo

[unique zephyr]

High as in high enough dying to furies is reasonable

[solar maple]

I'm honestly not sure

[gaunt fiber]

pew pew pew

[unique zephyr]

Why is Meg worse than Alecto

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[bright mango]

The orb meg attack

It’s terrible

[unique zephyr]

I hate Meg bullet hell yeah

[bright mango]

And the spin is hard to dodge

[gaunt fiber]

Alecto is like trying to mimic GY's spin but it's actually bad

[shy gulch]

alecto

i hate alecto

meg is fine for me

[daring hedge]

same as croven

[shy gulch]

like "fine" since its still high heat but

[solar maple]

yeah alecto is probably the worst for me

it's pretty close though

[shy gulch]

not as bad as alecto

[daring hedge]

meg isn't that bad most of the time but alecto can be rough

[shy gulch]

yeah

[daring hedge]

especially since i run RI2 frequently

[shy gulch]

lol same tail

[solar maple]

I am ashamed to admit that I used to be really bad at the tis fight

but then I realized I was being dumb