h1-high-heat-strategies

[solemn pulsar]

We don’t have the seed yet lol

[true fable]

its not a fixed seed

they get the seed in 9 minutes

cgull go prep lmao

get out of here

[spring kettle]

I think haelian came up with the seed like last minute

[rain sedge]

ohhhh cool

so not same seed as last week

I misunderstood

cool that's fair

[spring kettle]

obviously

[rain sedge]

as long as it's still cluster bomb that's fair

[spring kettle]

you wouldn't want the second group to have an unfair advantage

[true fable]

its cluster and rocket offering

at least mine was

[bronze viper]

There's only 999999 possible seeds. What's stopping someone from practicing all of them on each aspect 🤔

[shy gulch]

and delta :^)

[true fable]

iirc most people last week took rocket

i took cluster

[spring kettle]

don't see why they'd pick worse hammers this time around

[shy gulch]

rocket was most common yeah

prob bc more players on controller

mr zero one here is a kbm gamer

[true fable]

yeah theyll probably put the same hammers in offering

which is why imo second week was an advantage

[spring kettle]

cluster is kinda janky on kbm, it's hard to aim all the bombs

[shy gulch]

i assume they will

[true fable]

but i digress

[shy gulch]

second week def has an advantage

bright how do u think they shouldve resolved it

[true fable]

24 racers

one week

smile

[shy gulch]

smile

[spring kettle]

One six hour long stream

[true fable]

idk i dont think theres an elegant solution

[shy gulch]

me neither

[true fable]

i dont mind getting knocked out because of that

mostly because im not too invested in the results

[shy gulch]

its kinda unfort but idk what else there is to do

[true fable]

im just happy to be here

:^)

[solar maple]

easy way to make it fair

[bright mango]

Where can i watch this?

[rain sedge]

pseudo you're not running?

[spring kettle]

it's on twitch at Jerds_au

[solar maple]

2nd week gets hazard + explosive + spread fire start 🙂

[bright mango]

Ok

[shy gulch]

all the racers will be streaming on their own channel too

[solar maple]

I'm not running because my stream would be jank

[rain sedge]

ah

[solar maple]

otherwise I would join and get 20th

[rain sedge]

also I have not seen patty in quite a while

going to heroes with zag fist 50 now

41% dodge chance

this gonna be good

very barely made it lmfao

lack of patty is hurting me

[solar maple]

patty is so important yeah

my least favorite part about high heat

[rain sedge]

also it'll be nice if athena actually gives me dash, but nooo

[true fable]

again i wish they had SD> 40% and patty buff > 40%

[wanton plover]

see patroclus only to 5sack 😎

[true fable]

would be much more balanced imo

[shy gulch]

yeah patty is just ridiculously good to an unbalanced extent

[true fable]

latt lapis ronnie and lapras all have a solid shot

i think its a kind of "any given day" thing for HC4

we get to figure out which 3 of us get sacrificed to bablo duunk and ananke

[rain sedge]

I mean it's inherently a lot of luck, so yeah

[shy gulch]

a lot of the players are on even enough skill footing that the luck will kinda tip it one way or the other yeah

[rain sedge]

alright

dad at 50 fist

375 base HP

45% dodge

this should be it right

[wanton plover]

good luck

[bright mango]

Gl

What heat?

[rain sedge]

50

[bright mango]

Nice

ezwins

u got this

[rain sedge]

nope

no patty + no divine dash = GG

[bright mango]

rip

[rain sedge]

without divine dash it's quite hard to dodge a lot of his attacks

at FO2

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/ZSXnAG8

:)

[rain sedge]

yeah I think I played it as well as I could

[shy gulch]

F

[gaunt fiber]

:)

:)

[rain sedge]

just need better boons

oh wow

that looks rough

[bright mango]

I struggled so hard at fo1 40 so fo2 at 50 is probably a nightmare

[rain sedge]

yeah at fist it becomes really hard

dodging stuff

[bright mango]

I can time his spins but everything else is a nightmare

[rain sedge]

my defensive timings were all assuming divine dash

gotta practice more I think

[bright mango]

His skulls are the most annoying

[rain sedge]

yes without divine dash those are hard to avoid

[bright mango]

Lmao I had divine dash and almost lost

feels bad

[rain sedge]

hmm

the problem is with AP2 I can't really ask for divine dash

[bright mango]

There was just so much going on

[rain sedge]

but if I play AP1 I'm getting RI1

so...

maybe EM4 is the way

[plush scaffold]

That was so close. How can people play so much heat casually is beyond me, gl poggers https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/803537080952946693/812459557216976982/hestia.png

[true fable]

RI1 vs AP2 is quite the strugg

[rain sedge]

big speedrunner plays high heat 👀

congrats lili!

[true fable]

still a huge PB lili

nice stuff

[rain sedge]

52 heat isn't casual btw

also lili why are you not playing on HC?

give the new blood a chance?

[bronze viper]

Lmao, says the casual Eris WR holder.

[shy gulch]

yeah good stuff lili, congrats!

[bright mango]

nicee

[rain sedge]

56 heat seeded coming soon 👀

maybe

[bright mango]

idk how someone can be so good at both

High heat and speedrunning

[shy gulch]

at the top end of both you have enough skills to transfer over

[plush scaffold]

thx 🙂 / Achieving a really high heat is much more skilled than speedrunning imo / I'm not running HC mostly because i'm a european ^_^

[rain sedge]

I still want someone to tell me what I'm doing wrong at high heat

so I don't get TD3-ed

it's 11pm here, it's very doable

time wise

[true fable]

what weapons would you run lili

out of curiosity

[plush scaffold]

for HC you mean ?

[true fable]

yah

hypothetically

[plush scaffold]

rail/rail/rail ? 🙂

[shy gulch]

LUL

oh btw are u gonna consider doing rowo at any point

in the future

i forget if u answered this already, sorry

[plush scaffold]

Joke aside, I don't know much beside rail, but Hera/Beo/Eris probably

And no rowo, it's too much time in a single run for me

[shy gulch]

understandable

[rain sedge]

I'm going to lernie fight with 356 max HP lol

I think this is the most HP I've had going into lernie

[bright mango]

365!!!

Are you using eris?

[rain sedge]

yeah gonna try EM4 at 50 heat

[bright mango]

fo2?

[rain sedge]

of course, it's 50 heat

[shy gulch]

yeah FO2 is something you just cannot go without at 50 heat

[bright mango]

fo2 + em4 is a nightmare

good luck

[quartz birch]

Okay yeah I don't think speedrunning is good for this purpose. Darkness farming build = roughly 2000 darkness in 20 mins (give or take) so 100 p/m
Speedrun was 700 darkness in 12 mins, so 58 p/m

BIG RIP

[rain sedge]

lord almighty

I had 400 base HP

patty

skelly

divine dash

ares aid for panic invul

and I didn't even get past phase 1

what in the world...

how did retrash do this

[solar maple]

retrash is nutty

[plush scaffold]

Em4 is absurdly hard. You play for 20mn, think your build is decently good, and get wrecked in minutes

[rain sedge]

yeah I had everything i want basically

except extra athena DD and splitting bolt

[bright mango]

em4 toxic

lol

[rain sedge]

but I think even with +1 DD I wouldn't get to phase 3

[solar maple]

I don't even bother trying with anything but beo

it really does give a nice climactic finish to a run

[rain sedge]

that beo is all the more impressive

[solar maple]

3 mins of trying to avoid getting 1 shot

[rain sedge]

now I know how bad is EM4

also there's a man with a cap, hoodie, and sunglasses on hermes cup

lmfao

[solar maple]

lmao yeah

[rain sedge]

is there a channel where people talk about hermes cup?"

[shy gulch]

prob just jerds' channel

also yeah em4 is stupid hard, retrash is insane

i dont get how he makes it look so easy lmfao

[solar maple]

you all in awe of EM4 while I'm amazed that you people win with RI2/3 haha

[rain sedge]

I'm literally on a weapon that I did 53 heat on, with basically all the realistic things I could need, and I didnt get past phase 1

[solar maple]

also I tried eris 50 and it's not easy

[bright mango]

anything 50 is not easy

lmao

[solar maple]

well yeah

[shy gulch]

the way to win with RI2 is just use hestia :^)

[solar maple]

but it's hard

[shy gulch]

or like

[rain sedge]

well hestia...

[shy gulch]

anything not named beowulf

[solar maple]

I kind of want to get 50 with rail and bow

instead of the 40 I was going for on the other weapons

[rain sedge]

ok am I crazy or

cgull is on his last weapon with 49 min into styx

isnt that

just qualifying time

[true fable]

try "seconds" LUL

[bright mango]

schad are you streaming?

[rain sedge]

no

[true fable]

cgull is doing crazy good yeah

[rain sedge]

ah you reminded me to stop recording thanks

[true fable]

i did say cgull has been on a tear recently

im not really surprised at all

[bright mango]

Can someone send a link of cgull stream?

[shy gulch]

twitch.tv/cgull

[solar maple]

cgull has gotten so much better yeah

[rain sedge]

I think it's c_gull?

stream says so

[shy gulch]

oh

[bright mango]

took me to an overwatch dude

[shy gulch]

yeah it might be actually

[true fable]

c_gull yeah

[shy gulch]

my bad

[bronze viper]

I lost a chiron 50 yesterday with 300 health, 2 dds, patty, another touch of Styx, broken resolve and hyper sprint. The feels.

[rain sedge]

is this EM4?

[bronze viper]

Yeah

[rain sedge]

damn

that's rough

[bronze viper]

Tbf my timer ended at the start of phase 3 but I could have easily done it in time if I didn't get hit a billion times

[rain sedge]

bright remind me what's your time again?

cgull got 52:26

you were 53 something right

[shy gulch]

looks like bright might be out unfortunately

[rain sedge]

wow glasses man just got 51:48

[shy gulch]

haelian, kenorah, and cgull just got really good times

glasses man is haelian lol

[true fable]

what did kenorah end with?

think if they beat me thats their overall PB lol

[solar maple]

the poppy hogwash memes

[true fable]

poppy POGwash

would be cool to see hael actually compete

[shy gulch]

kenorah ended with 52:27

the last split was literally like -6:49

i dont know what they were comparing against tho

[true fable]

holy lord

yeah thats kenorahs all time PB iirc

i think their last Pb was like a 54

on non mod

i cant even be mad

[shy gulch]

jesus lmfao

what a time to crank out a PB

a hell of a PB too

[solar maple]

they did look pretty hyped about the time

[shy gulch]

yeah very understandable

a hell of a time

[true fable]

i taught them how to play beo 🙂

i can be happy with that

[rain sedge]

so is that exactly 3 people who are faster than you now bright?

[true fable]

might be

if you count poppypogwash

im not really following

trying to watch anime

[solar maple]

sounds like hael dropping out

[rain sedge]

wait

is this a meme

is the hat guy haelian

[solar maple]

yeah that's hael

[rain sedge]

am I ultra stupid or is the joke not obvious

so haelian is playing on HC?

[solar maple]

are you on jerd's stream?

[rain sedge]

yes

I'm only now realising the joke

[solar maple]

because if you are listening to that commentary and don't get the joke

idk what to tell you bud

[shy gulch]

lmfao

[rain sedge]

I'm half listening

okay

should I change my name to "ultra stupid"

[shy gulch]

sure

[rain sedge]

hang on

so can someone explain in non meme terms, is haelian competing or nah?

[solar maple]

no

[rain sedge]

but why did he race then 😦

[solar maple]

he joined quals just for fun

[rain sedge]

I'm unfamiliar with these speedrun memes but I have changed my name

[shy gulch]

yeah it was a bit

[rain sedge]

I mean he's a good player, why isnt he competing, especially if he qualifies

head hurt

[shy gulch]

he's a host

i wasnt too sure if he'd compete even though he's a host, but looks like he's not

[rain sedge]

I think I get the joke idk

I'll keep my name

wow they are dissing my controller + mouse setup on stream

[shy gulch]

do you actually do that too

i thought it was just jerds

[rain sedge]

I tried it for a bit

but I didn't get used to it

I would do it for 56 if I think it's worth the effort

it's definitely the superior setup on eris

[bright mango]

Why is 40 heat hestia easier than rama

I have lost 5 health all tartarus

[shy gulch]

because hestia is bestia

[bright mango]

Hestia is bestia

[rain sedge]

I got quite far on LC4 RI4 32 heat hestia

the weapon allows you to not take hits

[gaunt fiber]

ok

So when I have a good build I'm dying at lernie

meanwhile, with a flaring spin start

[shy gulch]

yeah hestia is fantastic for heat imo

hestia is to heat what eris is to speed lol

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/rejpezQ

[bright mango]

Rama was more fun tho

With really chunky hits

[rain sedge]

that was the furthest you got right?

[bright mango]

👀

[gaunt fiber]

The furthest

[shy gulch]

our boy is making progress

[gaunt fiber]

Classic cyclops jerky

[rain sedge]

huh, why did you take jerky?

[gaunt fiber]

I definitely got better at aspho

Because I had no attack boon prior to heroes

And I was worried about time

[rain sedge]

hmm

I wouldn't know if that's right or wrong, since I was never on a weapon where attack matters a lot at this kinda heat

[shy gulch]

that is an interesting choice actually

how much time did you have going into heroes

[rain sedge]

I also just think

[gaunt fiber]

What I learnt today :
-Lernie scary
-Athena stingy
-Antos best companion
-Aphrodite is still the best
-Shackle good
-Aphrodite is really good
-Hermes stinky

[rain sedge]

that astaos simply doesnt have a good gauge on what time he needs on each room since he hasnt got into elysium too often

[gaunt fiber]

about 2:30

[shy gulch]

hm

[rain sedge]

that's way more than enough

[shy gulch]

lol

[rain sedge]

like

I'm not dissing

[shy gulch]

yeah i would say thats enough

for the future prob just take touch of styx then

[rain sedge]

a lot of times my decision is based on room/timer situation

[shy gulch]

i can def see taking jerky tho

[gaunt fiber]

Lol nope

[rain sedge]

and that's only obtained from experience

is what I'm saying

sorry if that comes out badly

[gaunt fiber]

I could not have cleared the BP rooms without the jerky mates

[rain sedge]

just trying to help, I sound annoying, sorry 😦

[shy gulch]

have you tried gaming better

[gaunt fiber]

and quick spin was keeping me alive

[shy gulch]

schad no need to apologize, just go all in

astaos u suk

[gaunt fiber]

You don't

[rain sedge]

😦

I feel bad

[gaunt fiber]

why boyo

[rain sedge]

idk I felt unhelpful

it's ok GL next

we're watching hermes cup now

[shy gulch]

hey its okay

i'm always unhelpful and i still stick around

[rain sedge]

cgull qualified I'm pretty sure

[shy gulch]

he should be qualified yea

[unique zephyr]

I keep losing to extreme measures 4 😦
I wonder if I need specific builds and if so what helps the most?

[wanton plover]

it will be hard no matter what just keep trying

[shy gulch]

are you doing any other pacts with it

[rain sedge]

I keep losing to extreme measures 4 😦
You can @ every single one of the people in this channel but 1 and we'll all say the same sentence

[shy gulch]

like FO2, HL?

[rain sedge]

what heat is this, bacchus

[shy gulch]

^

em4 is uh

brutal

[rain sedge]

I still can't believe I died on phase 1 btw

on eris

good lord

[shy gulch]

yeah schad i die on phase 1 all the time LOL

[bright mango]

Astaos has been doing this for like 7 hours now

[shy gulch]

bacchus, every single person in this chat bar one will say EM4 is ridiculously hard

[bright mango]

Today

[shy gulch]

that one person is retrash

the madlad himself

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I'm exhausted Pengy lmao

[rain sedge]

I genuinely cannot imagine

[gaunt fiber]

Fingers hurt

[wanton plover]

i think em4 is pretty fun if not accompanied by td3 or hl5

[rain sedge]

doing this on bad weapons like nemesis

oh my god

[shy gulch]

schad now think about doing that EM4 with like

tempest strike zag rail

LUL

or tempest strike fists

[rain sedge]

please do not tell me he has an EM4 clear on gilga

imma check

[shy gulch]

oh he for sure does i think

its really funny that beowulf was the one to ruin the 45 streak

of all weapons

[rain sedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cco4oKLcp0

5 2 h e a t

[bright mango]

Yeah i normally leave em4 on for 16 heat bcs its fun but 32+ no way

[rain sedge]

THIS IS ILLEGAL

WHAT IS THIS

[shy gulch]

its a retrash moment

if you dont have any other pacts that make em4 more difficult, its pretty fun actually, i enjoy it

with FO and HL it becomes really difficult

[rain sedge]

he has goddamn blade dash

arghhhhhhhhhh whyyy

[shy gulch]

to be fair blade dash on gilga is good

like quite good

[gaunt fiber]

I will say

Blade dash is good on GY

don't @ me

[wanton plover]

i trust u

[rain sedge]

I tried blade dash on 40 and that felt real bad

[gaunt fiber]

Like it did quite a bit of work today

but divine dash exists

[shy gulch]

yeah schad imma give u the same advice i gave astaos

have u tried gaming better

cgull why r u here

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks Pog frog

[shy gulch]

like sure ur prob in but

go game

[wanton plover]

have u tried winning instead of losing

[shy gulch]

^

[wanton plover]

4head

[rain sedge]

cgull already qualified

he can hang out here and BM the rest of them

elo just died wtf

well it was 54 something anyway so probably not good enough?

[shy gulch]

yeah 54 isnt enough i think

[gaunt fiber]

Hey I missed that

[lusty mirage]

yeah i think blade dash fits gy style pretty well

[shy gulch]

i was wondering why u didnt reply

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

there is my answer : no u

[shy gulch]

frick

[rain sedge]

zeus shield merciful end highroll

this man is insane

[gaunt fiber]

still can't believe my best attempt is like flaring spin

[shy gulch]

its not really much of a highroll on zeus shield

[gaunt fiber]

non sense

[shy gulch]

oh pulv blow is really good on ME

like ME is still a highroll since its a duo, but you dont need that much

[rain sedge]

does that proc ME twice? I thought it's too fast for that

oh actually you're right

you just need the duo not the dash

[shy gulch]

no but it doesnt knock enemies back

so you can keep them in the shield

[bright mango]

[rain sedge]

I'm invested into this run now

[shy gulch]

also you can put ares/athena on either attack/special w zeus shield

and it works fine

[gaunt fiber]

Like I genuinely did not reset on flaring spin first hammer

[rain sedge]

OH MY GOD HE GOT THE ME

I'm so invested

[shy gulch]

ME in tart?

lapis is good at zeus shield, they should get a solid time then

[rain sedge]

yeah

baj is looking 👀

cgull might get an even faster run

I'm not even a speedrunner but I'm invested somehow

[gaunt fiber]

I hope Ronnie qualifies

He's a good lad

[rain sedge]

isnt he a relatively big streamer?

sub 52 for cgull, nice

[gaunt fiber]

Not really

[shy gulch]

i dont know about relatively big but hes been around for a while and is pretty good

[rain sedge]

this qualifier is so tight

[gaunt fiber]

51:52 for ronnie

[rain sedge]

yeah even faster than cgull

does that mean bright is out?

[gaunt fiber]

That's great

[shy gulch]

RONALD

[lusty mirage]

flaring spin gets better with heat

still not great but better than triple jab (GY)

[rain sedge]

I do wonder what happened during QA

that made them say

"yeah this hammer does something"

[bronze viper]

Better than triple jab. The gold standard

[rain sedge]

because I feel like it just doesnt do anything at any heat

am I wrong?

like there's just no situation, at any skill level, where that hammer does something?

[gaunt fiber]

It has some uses yeah

[rain sedge]

unless

all 3 jabs proc zeus attack

5Head

[gaunt fiber]

Triple jab is

how to put it

It's enough to make me sad

[bronze viper]

I just learned that it doesn't shotgun on anything. I assumed at least it would shotgun on dad or chariots or big rats

[gaunt fiber]

No it does not

indeed

[rain sedge]

I just wonder at what situation does it improve your run

a bit like distant memory

does it even proc reasonably often on hestia?

[bronze viper]

It doesn't brick your runs like a third of the sword hammers. That's the Stygius gold standard anyway. "Cool my run isn't over"

[gaunt fiber]

On Guan Yu, never. The only use I could think of is like paired with flurry jab but yeah

But I'll do an attack GY one day with triple jab

but at 40 heat, not more

[bronze viper]

Lol, as if you'll have the choice. One of your completed AP2 runs will just have it and then we can say definitively that it's broken and meta, just like Repulse Shot

[rain sedge]

I hate that about AP2

it can brick your run

[gaunt fiber]

no AP at 40

[rain sedge]

god the hazard bombs and spread fires on that 56

[gaunt fiber]

we good

[rain sedge]

I literally threw my controller for the first time in so long

it just feels so bad

[shy gulch]

LUL

this is why u just play HESTIA

[bronze viper]

It's nice that Rama only has 0.5 brick hammers

[shy gulch]

no hammers brick ur build

[bronze viper]

Chiron has 0. You can't brick what's already been bruck

[shy gulch]

accurate

[rain sedge]

I think

that's bright out 😦

I'm kinda sad now...

[gaunt fiber]

F

[shy gulch]

yeah he is

our hero has fallen...

[rain sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wesley-crying-wesley-snipes-new-jack-city-snipes-crying-gif-18604810

cgull when his time knocks bright out

I'm genuinely sad now, I remember last week wriste just barely got enough time to be faster than bright on his last run

[gaunt fiber]

he'll be back stronger

or he'll quit idk

[shy gulch]

he's a divinity degenerate now

[spring kettle]

RIP kbm represent

[gaunt fiber]

rip

[bronze viper]

What doesn't kill you makes you give up.

[rain sedge]

it was the stupid snow burst rerolls on the qualifying run

it was actually quite upsetting that he didn't get it

[shy gulch]

oh god wriste is out now

[rain sedge]

lord almighty

[shy gulch]

shiitake got a 52:29

jesus christ

these times are insane

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[rain sedge]

in the case where the diff is only 1 seconds or so

[bronze viper]

What is the category?

[spring kettle]

second batch going much faster

[rain sedge]

are they gonna check the vod just in case it was a mis retime?

[shy gulch]

3 weapons

yeah they'll def retime

[spring kettle]

cluster rockets so good

[rain sedge]

IIRC livesplit is manual, right?

[shy gulch]

but these times are like 20 seconds faster than wriste

[rain sedge]

for multi run like this?

[shy gulch]

which is a lot

[rain sedge]

no it was 1s faster than wriste

is why I'm saying this

[shy gulch]

no JDN had the 52:30

wriste was just barely sub 53

JDN is now 8th

[rain sedge]

oh

I misheard the stream then

I thought they were talking about 1s difference

[shy gulch]

1s is obviously within retime range LOL

yeah it was shiitake / JDN

[rain sedge]

oh

[shy gulch]

shiitake got 52:29, JDN 52:30

those'll be retimed for sure

for seed

[spring kettle]

who still remains from the first round of hermes quals?

[rain sedge]

bablo ananke

no one even came close to both of them IIRC

[shy gulch]

yeah

they're still the top 2 lol

oh wait

is kenorah actually out

[rain sedge]

no way

what in the world

well they have one more run so

[shy gulch]

duunk, bablo, ananke, ronnie, cgull, shiitake, JDN, kenorah

maybe they're in, did i forget anyone

[rain sedge]

CGULL NO

[shy gulch]

wait

[rain sedge]

they retimed him at 52:36

[shy gulch]

didnt cgull get a sub 52

what

[rain sedge]

oh no no no no no no

[gaunt fiber]

@plush scaffold Wow, that barrel roll! Really nice

[rain sedge]

oh I can barrel roll with the eris 53 now

or is that bad manner to use a run you've kept as a barrel roll

[gaunt fiber]

has to be done within the last 24 hours

[spring kettle]

second round very fast

What does BOG mean on poppyhogwash's screen?

[shy gulch]

"bowed out gracefully"

[rain sedge]

ah I see

could run a quick 52 to barrel roll

[gaunt fiber]

Or

Let Lili be the hottest a bit

[rain sedge]

real

I'll do that

cgull is doing a mirage shot dio memes with extra chaos cast

this is good

[solar maple]

ello got the worst luck in a mom pom poseidon run I've ever seen

[gaunt fiber]

wish I could kill Lernie like this

[solar maple]

he put his faith in it and it let him down

[spring kettle]

gotta love supersoaker

[rain sedge]

I wasnt watching but cgull is looking hot

OH NO CGULL

HE LOST THE CAST

THIS IS RUINOUS

[shy gulch]

he didnt beat his old time but he's already in

[rain sedge]

cool

[lusty mirage]

feels against barrel roll spirit

[gaunt fiber]

Maybe

[rotund plank]

I showed up late why did poppy bow out?
nvm they said something about a church and washing cars

[rain sedge]

it's apparently a meme, haelian showed up to BM people

congrats @solemn pulsar on qualifying!

you carry the high heat torch now

[true fable]

losing the cast doesnt matter when you have rod

🧠

[rain sedge]

sorry for the hermes cup outcome bright 😦

[true fable]

eh

i couldnt practice the way i wanted to

and im happy to have been able to get time off work to participate at all

just how things shake out

[rain sedge]

you'll be cgul's goku now

https://imgur.com/a/5YIJxFA

[solemn pulsar]

thanks schad

I need to sleep now

That was exhausting

[rain sedge]

night! great stuff today

[spring kettle]

BM?

[unique zephyr]

I want to try 32 heat, I failed the one time I tried it but I’m not sure what pact conditions to use. I have 16 heat with all weapons and feel like attempting this. Only thing is I can’t do extreme measures 4 and I probably can’t do increased trap damage either

Just not sure what pact conditions to avoid and not

And I shouldn’t feel bad if it takes me many many tries right?

Don’t think I can handle forced overtime hades either

[wanton plover]

look in #h1-high-heat-strategies pins

it has a guide

[edgy arrow]

definitely don’t feel bad if it takes you a lot of tries

[unique zephyr]

Oh thanks for letting me know!

[wanton plover]

oh wait this is that channel

[unique zephyr]

I’m also struggling with EM4

[edgy arrow]

yeah check check the pins to start with

[wanton plover]

try not to take fo2 and em4 together

[edgy arrow]

EM4 is not recommended at 32

and yeah FO can be avoided as well so that’s fine

[wanton plover]

dont worry if it takes you many tries

[rain sedge]

I do wonder now

what's the maximum heat I can still do EM4 on

[edgy arrow]

i know you don’t wanna hear this but using beowulf might help that number go higher

[wanton plover]

why schad dont wanna hear that

[edgy arrow]

he doesn’t like beo lol

[wanton plover]

damn lol

[solar maple]

I mean beo can clear superdad with snowburst and a dream

[rain sedge]

beo was my worst 4 aspect on my 40 runs

it was so painful

I think the ranking was gilga, nemesis, arthur, beo, zag sword

[edgy arrow]

oh boy

i remember you complaining but i didn't realise you ranked it just above zag sword

[rain sedge]

beowulf is my fourth most used aspect, at 47 times used, with 8 clears

and I'm pretty sure 7 of those clears were low heat one tries

that's how many tries it took for me to clear that beowulf 40

so yeah, it was really really bad for me

zag spear is at 13/5, zag sword is at 9/3, nemesis is at 25/4

so yeah not even close

[edgy arrow]

i mean, its fair i guess

it actually took me an embarrassingly long time to clear eris 40

can't remember how many tries it was, but it was more than you'd expect

our weapons are just nothing alike

[rain sedge]

and the answer to this is.... 45

https://imgur.com/a/W8YmthD

I would say that's an average luck run, nothing too fancy

first try too

might try to go higher

[solar maple]

you have FO2 there so that's close to as hard as it gets

obv more heat makes your build worse

[rain sedge]

well I had boons aplenty since it's CF0

and RI0

the billowing strength and ares call combo kinda carried me

[rain sedge]

well I tried chiron 50 with EM4

I believe the description is "not possible" but I've seen retrash did it

idk. feels ondoable other than with beo or eris

[green citrus]

EM4 is always weird as a speedrunner. You have to play it way safer than usual. And if you have TD3 on, same principle.

I really think just playing safer is the key to the fight on many weapons.

[solar maple]

trying to do 40 heat hades spear rn

4 sacked and I have 0 seconds for dad fight :/

[mossy zinc]

Welp. Sounds like you're gonna die.

[solar maple]

indeed

[edgy arrow]

see how long it takes you to die tho

my record is dying to TD3 at 22 mins

i cheated with cursed flurry slash tho lol

[true fable]

ive died to it like 4 minutes over accumulated over 3 biomes

[edgy arrow]

nice

yeah that 22 minutes was mostly in styx iirc

think it was a 5 sack

[unique zephyr]

Is stubborn roots affected by lasting consequences or no?

[edgy arrow]

it isn't

not really recommended to build for tho, as it heals very slowly so it doesn't play well with TD3

[tidal flame]

Stubborn Roots is a bit eh to me

[edgy arrow]

i think its a bit eh to most people

[bronze viper]

It always has the promise of potential though. Whispers sweet nothings promising value in your ear. Sweet nothing is typically what you get though.

[solar maple]

I've died with a ton of overtime because I had patty and waited after fights to die to timer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/812571616952188928/Screen_Shot_2021-02-19_at_10.24.12_PM.png Got there on 40 heat hades spear

this one took a few tries

ended up just going for the oops all athena build

I haven't done rail or bow yet because I was trying 50-53 with them and 50 heat is hard

[unique zephyr]

For stubborn defiance how do you kill yourself without running out of time for higher tight deadline?

[shy gulch]

you be bad enough that you're always close to death anyways so 1 hit finishes you off :^)

[mossy zinc]

Heightened Security speeds things up.

You don't need to bother if it's still at 25% or something, either. Like, don't revive if you know you'll be fine in the next chamber.

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok good to know I don't need to be super meticulous about it

right now I'm doing low heat with max lasting

so I can get used to stubborn defiance before going to 32

[true fable]

i will say

just remember

the way you get used to doing 32

is by doing 32

[shy gulch]

^this is fair

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok. To be fair I am collecting bounties so I thought might as well try max lasting as part of the bounty thing

(I did 16 heat for all weapons before getting the bounties for 16 because I felt like it)

but yeah I will do 32 heat to practice 32 heat, thanks for reminding me that's the best way to go

[honest kernel]

you don't super need SD for 32heat I'm pretty sure I did it without. 32 gives you so much freedom but its def a good thing to learn if you wanna push further

[vital grove]

Yeah that

You can go lc2 or or lc0

But Lc4 is necessary for anything above 32 rly

[river glacier]

Any tips for easy achievement 32 from you guys

[vital grove]

Check the pin

@rain sedge

Would you consider updating chiron defensive build to aphro+dio, numbing sensation is basically chill

Meanwhile damage is a lot better, you have positive outlook and/or strong Drink for Lc4 /lc2

[bronze viper]

I didn't even know Schad played Chiron

[shy gulch]

i didnt know schad played anything but eris

[bronze viper]

Also "defensive Chiron" is kind of an odd concept since it's like the best non shield aspect in the game at not getting hit. Really it's a function of the speed you want to kill things. Do you want to kill one thing pretty fast or lots of things kinda fast.

You really do not want to be dedicating slots on Chiron that aren't damage (Athena aside). The primary reason I dislike Hangover chiron is that the aspect builds charge extremely fast, so it lends itself really well to Dio's Aid. The closer range damage calls don't really mesh well with Chiron's playstyle but they obviously still work to some extent.

Also killing bosses with Hangover chiron is approximately as painful as it is with Chaos aspect.

[timid kindle]

wait.... there's an achievement???

[bronze viper]

The statue. No steam achievement though

[timid kindle]

ahhh I see

I thought my steam broke for a bit

[vital grove]

That's why I like doom and Hangover

The dps is quite nice

You can even do Doom special, with dire misfortune it's not even bad

Then like a dio dash or Dio aid and Aph attack

[halcyon flame]

my best 32 heat run was probably my first run since i managed to stay above 30% hp until elysium lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/805992511826034738/Hades_114.png

also no acorn lol!1

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel are you gonna do any runs for the challenge?

[halcyon flame]

i'd seek to avoid the heart-god's wrath if i were toffel

actually "heart-god's jealousy" sounds better

[honest kernel]

wait what challenge

[edgy arrow]

the monthly challenge

details in the pins in #h1-builds-and-combat

[mossy zinc]

It's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat.

[honest kernel]

they r doing these again?

nice

[mossy zinc]

Me, yes.

[honest kernel]

oh you

congrats?

[mossy zinc]

lol ty.

[honest kernel]

im feeling like a hades boomer so out of the loop

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite helped me with the last one. :3

[honest kernel]

:0

[mossy zinc]

:3

[honest kernel]

so I guess its time for me to do beo, charged throw with aphro special for you?

wait that was nerfed rite

[mossy zinc]

It was nerfed, yes.

[edgy arrow]

ye it’s only +200% now

[gaunt fiber]

Still works

[edgy arrow]

^

[gaunt fiber]

And still better than the classic beo

dont @ me

[shy gulch]

@gaunt fiber ur wrong

[honest kernel]

nice

time to get a charged throw seed

[gaunt fiber]

I'm not listening pog frog

[edgy arrow]

lmao

[shy gulch]

u cant handle the truth

[gaunt fiber]

no u

[honest kernel]

whats the new strat w beo now

[edgy arrow]

well Retrash’s charged flight run was the wr for ages

[shy gulch]

using the cast

[mossy zinc]

My Beowulf strategy is I don't take it anymore.

[edgy arrow]

but pseudo beat that with a cast build finally

[honest kernel]

using beo as intended

[gaunt fiber]

Toffel you've been away for a while?

[edgy arrow]

flood flare plus deadly strike into mirage shot is pretty dominant at high heat

until you get into AP2 stuff ofc

[honest kernel]

yeah I was running high heat before 1.0 and then I gave up but now I decided to try again

[gaunt fiber]

Nice!

If you're looking for an aspect, Guan Yu is pretty top tier right now

[shy gulch]

i hate it here

who lets astaos talk

[edgy arrow]

lmao

[mossy zinc]

Toffel is #2 on the Hades Women's High Heat leaderboard. 💕

[honest kernel]

[mossy zinc]

Astaos learned everything about Guan Yu from me, so his opinions are usually correct.

[gaunt fiber]

Take this haters

[shy gulch]

clearly something went wrong because "Guan Yu is pretty top tier right now" is not a correct opinion

[halcyon flame]

zag spear is top tier 😎 💪

[shy gulch]

zag spear is 2nd best spear dont @ me

[mossy zinc]

I got my best time with Zag Spear, so I lost the right to disagree.

[halcyon flame]

nerd

[edgy arrow]

zag spear is so far below achilles they’re not even in the same galaxy let alone tier list

[honest kernel]

darn

[shy gulch]

yes that is true

and it is still ahead of hades and GY

:^)

[edgy arrow]

lol i kinda agree

[gaunt fiber]

what

Jokes aside

[shy gulch]

look astaos, my metric for "good spear" is this

[mossy zinc]

Zag Spear only exists with Flurry Jab lol.

[shy gulch]

can spear get flurry jab? good spear

can it not get flurry jab? bad spear

[gaunt fiber]

do you really think Zag is better than Guan Yu for high heat

[shy gulch]

if i could seed for flurry then yes

if not then lol no

[edgy arrow]

^

that’s basically it

zag spear with flurry jab is actually a pretty good weapon

[shy gulch]

yeah because flurry jab is a pretty good weapon

zag spear is one vehicle for it

[edgy arrow]

yeah the weapon is just flurry jab

zag spear is the price

[shy gulch]

indeed

astaos owned

[edgy arrow]

see that’s the problem Astaos

GY has no method for spear noobs to cheese a victory

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I kinda see you're point

[shy gulch]

i mean you can just do what i do

call the spear a bad weapon and use something else

[gaunt fiber]

But there's no way Guan Yu is not better than an aspect that does nothing without a specific hammer

[mossy zinc]

That's not true. Charged Skewer is pretty broken.

[shy gulch]

charged skewer is pretty good i will say

[edgy arrow]

i don’t disagree

[shy gulch]

its not flurry jab. but its pretty good

[mossy zinc]

Divine Strike spin builds are also super easy.

[edgy arrow]

cheesing a victory with zag spear flurry jab is easier than cheesing one with GY charged skewer tho

at least for someone who doesn’t know how to play spears like me lol

flurry jab taken aside, GY is indeed obviously better

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but why do we get from "best aspect" to "easiest to play"

[edgy arrow]

fair

[gaunt fiber]

Should not matter

imo

[shy gulch]

at the end of the day for me

[edgy arrow]

you’re 100% correct

[shy gulch]

access to flurry jab means zag > GY

im only half kidding i really dislike using the spear without flurry

quick + massive GY is p fun tho

[edgy arrow]

i like achilles cast stuff

[shy gulch]

i didnt count that because then ur not really playing the spear

[edgy arrow]

and i actually like playing GY

[shy gulch]

i do enjoy that as well tho

oh no

astaos has infected u

[edgy arrow]

it’s the most enjoyable for me

i just usually don’t win with it lol

[gaunt fiber]

hey, same here

[edgy arrow]

it’s great cause dying with GY makes me feel like a pro

[gaunt fiber]

Nowadays I'm taking like one or two hits through tartarus

[edgy arrow]

“ye i die but noobs don’t even play this weapon look how great i am”

[shy gulch]

does it

[gaunt fiber]

but getting hit makes me feel so bad

[shy gulch]

when i do it i feel like a noob for even playing GY

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao it's the opposite for me

[edgy arrow]

you should play some other weapons at some point

like, you’d prolly just easily streak all aspects 50 or something

[shy gulch]

the training wheels of GY removed lmao

[edgy arrow]

it’s like goku taking off his weights or whatever

[shy gulch]

er

not training wheels

whatever

that

yeah

[edgy arrow]

wait i think i’m mixing my anime

but either way

[gaunt fiber]

I'll keep getting at champions with flaring spin for now

[shy gulch]

f l a r i n g

[gaunt fiber]

"hey cool it strips off DC hearts"

savior speeder wringers come in

[gaunt fiber]

I did 40 all aspects tho

[edgy arrow]

true

was it like, super easy?

i bet it was

[gaunt fiber]

Kinda

[halcyon flame]

can wringers just keep locking you in place until you die if fo2 + speedster is on?

[gaunt fiber]

except for Zagius because I'm not good with sword

and ME was forbidden

[edgy arrow]

i mean, i still have 3 aspects on hiatus

i’ll get to them eventually

[gaunt fiber]

yup you're slacking boyo

[edgy arrow]

it’s true

i’m so lazy i procrastinated with beo 50

but nah i actually need to sit down and grind through them

they’re probably doable, it’ll just take time

[shy gulch]

which aspects are on hiatus for u

i need to get around to doing this too

cant be slackin behind astaos

and bright too

[gaunt fiber]

Kinda like that mentality

"wait astaos did it, what am I doing with my life"

[shy gulch]

yeah if you do something with non-GY that i havent done

i go into contemplation mode

[gaunt fiber]

oh boi

[shy gulch]

my cope right now is "well i havent ACTUALLY tried doing it yet"

so once i try and fail i'll just be sad

[gaunt fiber]

it's ok then :)

[shy gulch]

smile

ok ive been crapping on u more than usual today LOL

dunno if i ever did say it but gz on 24x40, p impressive

[edgy arrow]

gilga, zag or nem

[gaunt fiber]

thanks boyo

[edgy arrow]

pretty much what you’d expect

[shy gulch]

zag sword i assume

nem is not what i'd expect tbh

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah zag sword

[shy gulch]

gilga LUL

[edgy arrow]

really?

nem high heat hard

[gaunt fiber]

shoutout to ME Arthur featuring heroic impeding/curse of agony

[shy gulch]

i feel like gilga you could probably cheese somehow, but i havent tried it

idk i got nem much easier than any other sword at high heat

sure its a sword but like

the damage is jsut really good

[edgy arrow]

you’re prolly good at swords

[shy gulch]

like i still havent done poseidon 40 but i got nem in few tries

[edgy arrow]

i am bad at swords

[shy gulch]

oh no

i am not good at swords

[edgy arrow]

i first tried pos 40 lmao

[shy gulch]

especially when i did nem 40

[gaunt fiber]

Schad what's up with the name

[edgy arrow]

still dunno how that happened

[shy gulch]

trust me on that one

croven binds nemesis LUL

[rain sedge]

If you found a way to cheese gilga 40 @ me croven

[edgy arrow]

^^^

same

[shy gulch]

gotchu

[edgy arrow]

unless it’s merciful end, because i have standards

[rain sedge]

I'm ultra stupid, pretty much what it says on the tin

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but there must an event that triggered it

[shy gulch]

schad's a bit slow with jokes

[rain sedge]

Anyway I tried about every method too cheese gilga and I didn't find it

[shy gulch]

have you tried the last method

getting good

[rain sedge]

Unless we're talking splitting bolt in Tartarus with lightning dash here

Oof getting good sounds hard

[edgy arrow]

idk about getting good

are we sure it works?

seems debatable

[rain sedge]

I tried the reset 30 times until I get me strat

[gaunt fiber]

Idk why you don't buy the curse of longing method

it's nice

[edgy arrow]

lmao

that’s not what i would expect

i might try that

[shy gulch]

ah i see schad has decided to experience speedrunning

[edgy arrow]

sounds fun

[edgy arrow]

back in the day this was how high heat worked as well

people be like “AP2 free heat, just reset 50 billion times”

[shy gulch]

LUL

[edgy arrow]

then everyone realised that we could just not do that

[shy gulch]

yeah sounds like a startling revelation

[edgy arrow]

i mean, to be fair it’s still true high enough

[shy gulch]

eh i wouldnt say u reset 50 billion times

ive been too scarred by seeing tail reach styx at like 60 with the stupidest hammers ever

[edgy arrow]

the grind is less bad if you don’t reset tho imo

like, even with a bad start it feels less soulcrushing if i just run with

idk why

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but

[rain sedge]

I think we had a conversation about this

[edgy arrow]

so how does the CoL method even work

is it pash dash

[gaunt fiber]

I'm usually running shackle on Guan Yu now and most of the time it gives me the illusion to have a good build, I reset less but at the cost of not winning either

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[edgy arrow]

makes sense

yeah that’s the issue with not resetting

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah we did

[edgy arrow]

feels better, at least to me, but it’s demonstrably less time efficient

[gaunt fiber]

But actually

It made me better at asphodel with 24 hp total

runs last a bit longer so you learn more

[edgy arrow]

how in the world do you lose max hp in tartarus

is this some kind of big brain GY player strat

[gaunt fiber]

I mean that sometimes I get out of tartarus with 30 hp max

and I'm usually at 30% of that amount

[edgy arrow]

oh right

but yeah you’re right; practice good

[gaunt fiber]

then it's one mistake allowed since spinning in asphodel is like nope except vs bloodless

[edgy arrow]

problem is that practicing tartarus doesn’t help much with EM4 😛

okay my brain just properly processed that

[gaunt fiber]

EM4 is still far away

[edgy arrow]

30 max hp asphodel

i don’t think i’d get out of the first room lmao

“i’m do fine— oh, guess there was a wavemaker”

[rain sedge]

I think

I'll give gilga 40 another try

To see how far I've come

If at all

[gaunt fiber]

Speeder X violet bomber :)

[rain sedge]

Maybe blade dash

[gaunt fiber]

might work Schad

[edgy arrow]

you’ve cleared gilga 40 before right Schad?

[gaunt fiber]

blade dash and build into it

[edgy arrow]

gotta be easier the second time

hopefully

[rain sedge]

Yeah me reset

Was the worst aspect I had to do for 40

[edgy arrow]

might be the same for me yet

[shy gulch]

yeah screw it just blade dash

ez

[rain sedge]

I hate how PG proxy is

[gaunt fiber]

Proxy is a fine lad

[waxen relic]

Ruthless reflex + Cast build might be worth a try on Gilgamesh