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#h1-high-heat-strategies
bright mango
edgy arrow
we gotta call it special rama to distinguish it from regular boring bad rama that’s just terrible really
mossy zinc
Sick gif btw. Love it.
chilly sun
some say if you say sea storm rama before your mirror three time in a row at midnight he manifests in your house
solar maple
I can taste someone saying beo is a bad high heat weapon from across the globe
dire steppe
@daring hedge don't let me down
bright mango
Beo is like my favorite weapon now
halcyon flame
I can taste someone saying beo is a bad high heat weapon from across the globe
getting a hint as well 👁️
bright mango
I’ve used it so much this past week that it’s just awesome
daring hedge
on monday 👀
mossy zinc
Beo is like my favorite weapon now
Not you too.
chilly sun
how is beowulf a bad high heat weapon omg
solar maple
one of us
bright mango
I’m being sucked into the cult
halcyon flame
nyaa are you saying beo is bad
bright mango
Hellpppppp
dire steppe
people who dislike beowulf are flat earthers
bronze viper
This channel is operating on like 15 different layers of irony at the moment
chilly sun
its like. only bad with demeter and zeus from my experience
chilly sun
people who dislike beowulf are flat earthers
^ this
mossy zinc
Y'all need to play different aspects. It's just Beowulf and Hestia and Rama in this channel.
halcyon flame
average beo fan vs average zag shield enjoyer
dire steppe
people who use curse of drowning beowulf are better than normal people
gaunt fiber
This channel is operating on like 15 different layers of irony at the moment
15? You're such a baby. Watch this.
chilly sun
average beo fan vs average zag shield enjoyer
( ascended ) zag sword enjoyer
daring hedge
Y'all need to play different aspects. It's just Beowulf and Hestia and Rama in t...
whenever i talk about hades spear bright comes to punish me
dire steppe
this isn't written in the tooltip but it's actually true that if you soak your computer in water curse of drowning does 5x damage
chilly sun
hiheihfierhirj HELP
dire steppe
quirky little easter egg
gaunt fiber
Bright hates fun aspects, it's actually a good indicator of what is good and cool
chilly sun
this isn't written in the tooltip but it's actually true that if you soak your c...
did you know if you soak your computer in water you activate sea storm for free
mossy zinc
this isn't written in the tooltip but it's actually true that if you soak your c...
Can confirm. I soaked your computer in water, and my Curse of Drowning did 5x damage.
gaunt fiber
Wow
neat sonnet
question: when setting up ME, more worth to roll again for flourish or grab dash in tartarus? (I already have the attack)
daring hedge
evil rigged
dire steppe
blade dash
chilly sun
slicing shot
gaunt fiber
question: when setting up ME, more worth to roll again for flourish or grab dash...
Flourish to unlock duo asap
halcyon flame
chiron users are repulsive
at least i can say that i beat 32 heat with rama and not chiron 
neat sonnet
got it, thanks!
chilly sun
but yeah grab the special!
you can still decently activate it without the dash its just not crazy DPS
dire steppe
i want to fight the aspect of chirno
chilly sun
also i coached my friend who isnt very hades savvy through 30 heat!!! :]
dire steppe
tell savvy i said congrats
chilly sun
rnieriojerijgijer will do
edgy arrow
also i coached my friend who isnt very hades savvy through 30 heat!!! :]
wow 30 heat is a weird number
dire steppe
tell rnieriojerijgijer i said congrat
edgy arrow
your friend’s prolly the first person to clear it ever
bronze viper
wow 30 heat is a weird number
Yeah, it's prime
chilly sun
ikr? they just didnt wanna take anything more on the pact
dire steppe
57 is more prime than 30
chilly sun
which. fair
solar maple
57 is the grothendieck prime
dire steppe
isnt it weird how 50% of us are bots
edgy arrow
how i count:
0
something something speedruns
32
40
45
50
aaaaaaaaaaaaa
those are all the numbers that exist
dire steppe
like bright01 definitely isn't human
solar maple
I'm not one to doubt grothendieck's mathematical expertise
gaunt fiber
Not bot here my good sir
halcyon flame
what's the worst aspect for high heat
bronze viper
how i count:
0
something something speedruns
32
40
45
50
aaaaaaaaaaaaa
Lol, pretty much this.
halcyon flame
i wanna hear the general consensus
daring hedge
how i count:
0
something something speedruns
32
40
45
50
aaaaaaaaaaaaa
this is how my brain perceives heat yeah
bronze viper
If anyone says anything other than Chiron you're a shill
bright mango
I fully realized how good beowulf was today when i beat em4 hades without losing any dd’s
bronze viper
My brain can no longer process "worst aspect for high heat" since Retrash hit 54 with Zagius
Who knows anymore
daring hedge
beo is incredibly good vs EM4
bronze viper
Probably Rama
daring hedge
one of the best aspects for that specific fight
chilly sun
so true
solar maple
beo is absurd for EM4
chilly sun
one day someone is gonna beat 60 heat with rama like a nerd
bright mango
I like went into the fight with 1 dd and was scared
I normally lose like all my dds but didnt lose one with beo
chilly sun
tbh im just applauding you for remembering to block with the shield
solar maple
even with my inexperience at the fight I got a win with no SD lost against max difficultly dad
daring hedge
one day someone is gonna beat 60 heat with rama like a nerd
hello
bright mango
LMAO
solar maple
nerd
daring hedge
bronze viper
Confirmed. Nerd.
edgy arrow
yeah i remember when Retrash first hit 50 with zag sword and it was like, what’s next death defiances in real life
daring hedge
zag sword kinda slept on
mossy zinc
Not bot here my good sir
"Bleep bloop."—@gaunt fiber, ca. 2021
daring hedge
zag spear kinda just bad
solar maple
what is the worst high heat aspect? It's got to be gilga, right?
chilly sun
it has the dashes tho
daring hedge
probably zag spear without flurry
edgy arrow
it’s zag sword
mossy zinc
Zag Spear > Zag Sword.
bright mango
Still i think gilga
bronze viper
I still think Zagius is the eternal garbage fire from which all garbage fires spring but empirically it is not.
gaunt fiber
Pretty sure it was "Beep boop"
halcyon flame
zagius is just flurry + cursed slash
mossy zinc
Zag Spear can get Flurry Jab.
chilly sun
yknow im inclined to say arthur because it only wants like. 3 gods
edgy arrow
I still think Zagius is the eternal garbage fire from which all garbage fires sp...
nah it is
bright mango
I think it’s gilga
edgy arrow
Retrash is just that good
bright mango
For how slow it is
daring hedge
just get full zeus dash with splitting bolt out of tartarus
mossy zinc
S+ tier some of the time and F tier the rest of the time is better than F tier all of the time.
daring hedge
ez gilga 50
daring hedge
that run was so fun tbh
chilly sun
also zag spear with vicious skewer, is it good?
mossy zinc
No.
chilly sun
asking because i have no experience with spear
bright mango
Forgot tailesque did a 50 gilga run
mossy zinc
Zag Spear is S+ with Flurry Jab and bad with everything else.
halcyon flame
zag spear is only good with exploding launcher
mossy zinc
I guess ME is also okay.
chilly sun
understandable have a nice day
edgy arrow
you can do exploding launcher as well
chilly sun
well merciful end is good with everything so,, yeah
edgy arrow
not as good as flurry jab but not trash
daring hedge
exploding launcher still feels pretty weak
mossy zinc
Exploding Launcher is still pretty bad.
daring hedge
but yeah it's better than nothing
bronze viper
Forgot tailesque did a 50 gilga run
It's relatively unbelievable the aspects @daring hedge has decided to 50 before Eris lmao
daring hedge
i still haven't done hestia lol
mossy zinc
It's not unbelievable.
chilly sun
what do you guys think of zag rail though
mossy zinc
Tailesque likes to play fun aspects, you see?
solar maple
I still haven't ever won a high heat run with rail or bow
chilly sun
is it as bad as it seems lol
bronze viper
what do you guys think of zag rail though
Big PEW action. Spread Fire or bust
mossy zinc
Tbh the nerf made Eris quite a lot more fun than it was.
daring hedge
yeah you def aim for spread fire on zag rail
chilly sun
ouuuhg makes sense spread fire is so fun
edgy arrow
Tailesque likes to play fun aspects, you see?
that’s what Retrash said and then he did all the least fun ones
chilly sun
also man. i dont like eris at all
bronze viper
Tbh the nerf made Eris quite a lot more fun than it was.
I super duper agree with this. It feels good to have to pay attention to game mechanics
mossy zinc
Retrash also said Tailesque likes to play fun aspects?
chilly sun
its good dont get me wrong im just tired of seeing it everywhere
edgy arrow
tailesque’s aspect are fun yeah
chilly sun
YAY i hate it
solar maple
rama fun hades no
edgy arrow
except hades spear, aspect of no flurry jab
solar maple
rama is one of the most fun aspects
chilly sun
i think guan yu should get flurry jab because it would be funny
neat sonnet
why am I not good enough to speedrun I literally just got my ME from asphodel miniboss then eurydice into fountain room what is this
solar maple
no I just played it once
solar maple
that cultivated a hateful attitude
rain sedge
"at first"
chilly sun
i dont like hades spear ejjjgkjti but i appreciate the variety in aspects
bronze viper
Sometimes Hades aspect makes me feel like a dummie when I just dash and stand there for a second, release too soon, no spin comes out then I do this 3 more times in a row, give up and just naked spear attack them to death out of exasperation
edgy arrow
but also i’m bad at spears and try to avoid them lol
daring hedge
weaving spins into your normal play can be awkward but eventually it's pretty smooth
mossy zinc
Schad doesn't want to get used to things. Schad plays Eris.
Schad doesn't like learning gameplay mechanics.
chilly sun
i think my fave aspect for the spear is guan yu though
its really nice how its like. its own minigame! creative game design is fun
chilly sun
this is why eris sucks
edgy arrow
Tailesque: “weave in spins with your normal play”
Me: “imma do a spin—“ dies
rain sedge
tail out here complaining about hades spear hate whereas I'm here getting my aspect dissed every day
daring hedge
lmao
edgy arrow
tail out here complaining about hades spear hate whereas I'm here getting my asp...
every now and then i go into #h1-builds-and-combat and then get chased away by beo haters
they’re everywhere
we only have this place of safety
gaunt fiber
Do you know what aspect they hate more?
mossy zinc
Who said you were safe?
chilly sun
i. wanna try out eris dionysus now heck
rain sedge
we only have this place of safety
"place of safety"
chilly sun
" why" yes
rain sedge
lmfao what
bright mango
This is no place of safety
edgy arrow
this channel
chilly sun
its for the meemes
gaunt fiber
Come on Schad be positive
daring hedge
hades high heat memes
edgy arrow
we’re slowly converting everyone
rain sedge
just you wait until I clear like 58 heat beo or something
when that day comes @shy plinth will truly be eaten
bronze viper
"There are dozens of us"
halcyon flame
pseudo at that point you literally might as well do 60 heat beo
solar maple
I've gotten to elysium on 58 heat with beo
halcyon flame
don't even bother with casts at that point
edgy arrow
"There are dozens of us"
not quite dozens yet but we’re trying
rain sedge
wtf real?
mossy zinc
Needs to be 61 or no one will care.
mossy zinc
But then @daring hedge will do 62 the same day, and no one will care about your 61.
edgy arrow
why lmao
solar maple
but I would time out I think
edgy arrow
actually do it
mossy zinc
No one will speak of it.
edgy arrow
60 heat beo would be crazy
bronze viper
But then <@164508146746785792> will do 62 the same day, and no one will care abo...
That doesn't matter, he needs to do it like 4 times or whatever
daring hedge
i haven't done 60 a second time for a reason
rain sedge
imagine living in the world where the highest heat aspect is beo
edgy arrow
i can die happy if that happens
daring hedge
it's hard and it's grindy
i can't be like that one gamer god who did 62 heat three times
chilly sun
i wonder how much seeding can help with AP2
rain sedge
oh god here comes that joke
solar maple
I tried 61 heat rama to see what it would be like
mossy zinc
imagine living in the world where the highest heat aspect is _beo_
Been there, done that. 
bronze viper
Are you even playing the game if you can't streak 62?
solar maple
I got to furies once and called it a victory lmao
daring hedge
lol
chilly sun
nice!!!
edgy arrow
I tried 61 heat rama to see what it would be like
yeah same i first tried it but recording broke whoops
chilly sun
the one time i tried max heat i died to the sneak
solemn pulsar
i can't be like that one gamer god who did 62 heat three times
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790729912163368991/808799325496541234/unknown.png
Replace bright with tailesque
chilly sun
got forced into common poseidon attack with shackle 
gaunt fiber
Every
daring hedge
listen i had to
gaunt fiber
Day
bronze viper
Lol I think it was my fault this time
bright mango
Is 62 heat guy even joined the discord?
bronze viper
He posted in victory-boasting right?
chilly sun
wait someone beat 62 heat? 😮
daring hedge
yeah he talked about it, we asked for a screen and he said he'd show it after work
he never got out of work
rip
halcyon flame
ong guys i jsut beat 65 heat chiron 🤯
bronze viper
wait someone beat 62 heat? 😮
3 times. Though to be fair he needed to use -2 Companion charges and level 2 Hades keepsake.
bright mango
WHaT
chilly sun
what is going on girl help
rain sedge
cmon man
edgy arrow
2 of those were with RI4 as well
daring hedge
3 times. Though to be fair he needed to use -2 Companion charges and level 2 Ha...
oh that was a different guy, who did 63 with nem after like 10 clears
bronze viper
The secret is HL4 CF1
daring hedge
and cropped out their health
chilly sun
I,,,???
daring hedge
we have had a decent chunk of people claiming some stuff basically
edgy arrow
there have been a few of them
rain sedge
I'm all for calling out people for pretending to be better than they are
but this is too much
chilly sun
yikes lmao
rain sedge
let's move on from the dead horse pls
gaunt fiber
^
chilly sun
when i beat 66 heat its gonna be real i promise. just you wait and see.
edgy arrow
yeah Schad’s right
bronze viper
Back to more productive conversation. So how bad is Chiron exactly?
daring hedge
i mean percy asked what was going on lol
chilly sun
sea storm chiron [ a truck runs me over ]
halcyon flame
69 heat zagius 🤯
chilly sun
its ok!! thank you guys for explaining
rain sedge
it's fine I was half joking, but even I start to feel bad for the people who lied lol
solar maple
I'm off to go do some 58 heat beo with shackle and ruthless reflex
rain sedge
like... if you lie like that, you can't be older than 15
chilly sun
I'm off to go do some 58 heat beo with shackle and ruthless reflex
good luck!!!
rain sedge
and I feel like we should cut them some slack, we've all done stupid lies when we're young
daring hedge
like... if you lie like that, you can't be older than 15
judging from the profile pic, one was a grown man
bronze viper
My mom owns Disney
daring hedge
but i digress
solar maple
I'll need it
rain sedge
judging from the profile pic, one was a grown man
......???????
daring hedge
actually two of them
rain sedge
.......
gaunt fiber
like... if you lie like that, you can't be older than 15
As Bright once said "people clout everything do", or something like that
solar maple
people are weird
rain sedge
.......................
yknow what
continue dissing them
I genuinely thought it's a young person thing and I felt bad yknow
but I take it back
daring hedge
Back to more productive conversation. So how bad is Chiron exactly?
it's more boring than bad i'd say
dire steppe
.
daring hedge
you can slap deadly flourish on and mostly call it a day
rain sedge
what did you do for chiron 50 tail?
edgy arrow
i just find chiron vaguely irritating at heat
edgy arrow
i could do a whole beo run between special animations probably
chilly sun
i like chiron with dionysus and aphrodite for funny PS sounds and thats it
daring hedge
only rivaled by lucifer chaos curse on attack funny sounds
bronze viper
Chain Shot Chiron is actually fine depending on boons. Spreads weak well. I like it a lot if you're going Hangover lets you Doom stuff real good.
solar maple
how do the other beo players feel about charge shot on high heat?
It's so much damage but I tend to die
chilly sun
only rivaled by lucifer chaos curse on attack funny sounds
red screen moment
edgy arrow
once i complained about chain shot chiron and someone told me “it’s fine just don’t aim at what you’re aiming at” and that stuck with me
bronze viper
Lol there's that too
daring hedge
guys chain shot doesn't affect the special target
solar maple
I hate chain shot
bronze viper
Slander
chilly sun
chain shot chiron with zeus attack big brain
daring hedge
you still hit the first thing that got attacked
bronze viper
I have to test again apparently, I'm almost certain it's the last thing you hit
daring hedge
it's not that bad, moreso useless if you don't have a good attack boon
edgy arrow
i swear it used to target the last thing
chilly sun
huh thats weird
edgy arrow
i’ll admit i haven’t taken it in ages tho
rain sedge
let's say a casual wants to do 50 heat all weapons
what's the easiest aspects of each non rail weapons?
said casual will seed whatever first boon/hammer needed
bronze viper
Just do a Zag aspect sweep
rain sedge
hmm, funny, last I check my discord name is still "Schad" not "Retrash"
daring hedge
oh nevermind, it seems inconsistent actually lol
sometimes it does stay on the first target
sometimes it really does not
cool
bronze viper
It's the Electric Shot of hammers
solemn pulsar
maybe like a explosive return chaos shield with doom/dio on special?
casual 50 heat doesn't really seem like a thing
if you're attempting 50 heat seriously you are far from a casual player
solar maple
what's the easiest aspects of each non rail weapons?
sword: nem, shield: beo, fists: dem, bow: rama, spear: Achilles (probably idk I don't play spear)
bronze viper
Schad is the worst Eris player in existence. Really, the aspect carried him to the WR
rain sedge
beo = no go
solemn pulsar
also i would say zag fists so you don't get hit
solemn pulsar
and hades spear
rain sedge
almost broke me
solar maple
if you win 50 heat you aren't a casual lmao
rain sedge
but the rest seems valid
edgy arrow
use zeus then
rain sedge
I'll give dedge seed nemesis a try but otherwise I'll move to poseidon
yeah zeus probably
daring hedge
for degenerate play
why must you be like this
edgy arrow
zeus 50 should be doable if you’re big brain enough
solemn pulsar
schad do you still think you're a casual
solar maple
zeus is a way harder weapon than beo
edgy arrow
i am not
bronze viper
50 Stygius? Maybe you should start slower lmao
solar maple
maybe better, but harder imo
rain sedge
schad do you still think you're a casual
name says everything
edgy arrow
zeus is a way harder weapon than beo
agreed
true fable
zeus is def a harder weap than beo
solemn pulsar
why must you be like this
i think hades is good, but if you sweep and runa nd stab that's a degenerate strategy, basically. probably wont carry you to a 50 clear anyway
true fable
you just press more buttons with beo
solemn pulsar
but it matters less when you press them with beo
edgy arrow
Schad hates beo tho
true fable
true
daring hedge
i think hades is good, but if you sweep and runa nd stab that's a degenerate str...
how is using hades spear's gimmick correctly a degenerate strategy
i don't understand
rain sedge
beo is a hard weapon okay
bronze viper
how is using hades spear's gimmick correctly a degenerate strategy
If you have to ask, then you are a degenerate
solemn pulsar
how is using hades spear's gimmick correctly a degenerate strategy
all spears are degenerate weapons, i apologize. hades is no different to the rest
daring hedge
true fable
LOL
daring hedge
i give up
bronze viper
why do you just have these
daring hedge
i'm prepared
bronze viper
lmao
halcyon flame
all spears are degenerate weapons, i apologize. hades is no different to the res...
what do you mean achilles is a degenerate weapon
this is heresy and slander if nothing else
solemn pulsar
all weapons are degenerate except bow, sword, and fists
bronze viper
It's not that Achilles is degenerate, it's that the degenerate apples don't fall far from the degenerate Varathan trees.
daring hedge
high heat strat channel is just one of those cartoon brawl clouds with fists and legs coming out periodically right now
halcyon flame
true fable
hades is a game for degenerates
solemn pulsar
i meant fists
edgy arrow
all weapons are degenerate, but some weapons are more degenerate than others
halcyon flame
It's not that Achilles is degenerate, it's that the degenerate apples don't fall...
what the hell does that even mean\
true fable
varatha is degenerate
bronze viper
I don't know, I stopped understanding the words I was typing in this channel an hour ago
daring hedge
must be something in the high heat water
bright mango
For chiron with poseidon special and seastorm, does the lightning still have cooldown?
halcyon flame
yeah
bright mango
Oof
bright mango
Wow
rain sedge
RI1 or AP2 for 50 heat?
halcyon flame
blame lili
rain sedge
which one is worse?
daring hedge
bloodborne frenzy meter going up for everyone irl
rain sedge
cgull stop 😦
bronze viper
For chiron with poseidon special and seastorm, does the lightning still have coo...
What you can do is aim at a 45 degree angle backwards from your targets to desynchronize the arrows on the target. It's fairly consistent to get 3 procs thsi way
edgy arrow
What you can do is aim at a 45 degree angle backwards from your targets to desyn...
... why do you know this
bronze viper
I play a lot of Chiron lol
halcyon flame
then why do you have rama in your nickname
bronze viper
You always get 2 procs by doing that but sometimes the stars align and you get 3
daring hedge
people are allowed to play multiple aspects ok
edgy arrow
what
bronze viper
I tried switching to Chiron in 1.0 when it got really good because Tailesque stole my Rama thunder lol
halcyon flame
smh\
edgy arrow
i can... play aspects other than beo? 😮
halcyon flame
how dare you not play beowulf
bronze viper
But Chiron is poopoo so I switched back to Rama for heat pushing lol.
bright mango
i can... play aspects other than beo? 😮
Huh... whaa...
rain sedge
ok AP2 over RI1 first
bronze viper
the 24x40 is an attempt to diversify my portfolio
rain sedge
let's see how this goes
bright mango
So I need to face at a ninety degree angle from the enemies?
bronze viper
You can try just straight backwards (you have to be pretty close to the enemy for them to wrap around and hit though)
bright mango
Ok
bronze viper
Lol, and it also makes it "AoE"
daring hedge
this is a lot of work to make a suboptimal special do well
bronze viper
We can't all have broken hammers like Repulse Shot to carry us
daring hedge
lmao
edgy arrow
wish beo could get repulse shot smh
bronze viper
Repulse Shot on Stygius would be legit af
halcyon flame
wish beo could get repulse shot smh
that's just flood flare
halcyon flame
repulse shot on malphone 🤯
daring hedge
hoarding slash fists 👀
daring hedge
how do you even play rama on bosses lol
charge shots that react to their whiffed attacks, or periods where you know you're safe
daring hedge
rama allows you to pick and choose shots instead of having to constantly attack all the time because of the big damage
so yeah just try to be a little more patient
daring hedge
spice lava
I have a buddy willing to train aspects
👀
spice lava
I'm currently working on Rama, I found out against bosses that all openings are not good to take to launch powershots because even if you do damages, you can take some in return
daring hedge
i mean, with rama there are always opportunities to power shot
without taking damage yourself
spice lava
Yeah but it's very easy to pick a wrong timing to shoot and pay the price
daring hedge
true
bronze viper
I'm a lot worse than him but I still find very wide openings in every boss to power shot
daring hedge
i guess what i mean is, learning those key moments where it is safe is vital
vital grove
You can always special for free, so strong.
gaunt fiber
Don't even think to diss my boyo
daring hedge
and honestly there's some truth to that phoenix lol
i typically spam special during times where i cannot get a power shot off
edgy arrow
wait
daring hedge
just to keep the shared suffering fresh
vital grove
Yeah it can rack up if you have hangover
edgy arrow
so uncharged shots aren’t worth it?
gaunt fiber
special build intensifies
edgy arrow
i do so many of them
bronze viper
E.g. you don't want to powershot normal witches in Tartarus lol
gaunt fiber
Special Rama players : "I'm just working on shared suffering uptime, I swear"
bronze viper
Against bosses you really want to be looking for power shots
daring hedge
i'd say getting some quick uncharged shots makes more sense with triple shot during some tight timings
but even then you mostly want the power shot
edgy arrow
hmm
daring hedge
and yeah for bosses power shots are the Big Damage
edgy arrow
i’m bad at rama what else is new
edgy arrow
that’s good to know tho, i’ll bare it in mind
spice lava
not a big brain but experience to know where good openings are
vital grove
Minimum damage is 25 btw
bronze viper
The big brain is knowing when to not power shot so you don't waste your time doing 500 damage to a brimstone with 10 health lol
spice lava
on some rooms you can setup up the marks on ennemies and finish them all with a powershot
edgy arrow
rama is defs big brain weapon
bronze viper
This is somehow a lot harder than it would seem lol
spice lava
but on some situations like witches in Tartarus, you most of the time need to improvise
edgy arrow
The big brain is knowing when to not power shot so you don't waste your time doi...
i power shot a DC heart off a numbskull today
vital grove
The fun part is sometimes a strong special is enough to burst things down, or at least mark and reduce hp so you can 1shot the room
bronze viper
A lot of times my special will auto-aim whiff and my brain will not process that, so I will do the entire power shot charge into a blue heart without hesitation
vital grove
Special does 3x5 damage per instance, bouncing
solar maple
will someone please inform me how you kill a speedy wavemaker with a melee weapon?
daring hedge
love to crit power shot the armor off a wringer and see "1!"
edgy arrow
will someone please inform me how you kill a speedy wavemaker with a melee weapo...
easiest way is hope it jumps into lava
daring hedge
will someone please inform me how you kill a speedy wavemaker with a melee weapo...
suffer
vital grove
Chasing it sucks
vital grove
Have to keep distance and run where it jumps
solar maple
ok how about 5 of them
bronze viper
What feels good is next levelling enemies with Shared Suffering but only 1 blue heart by charging a power shot and knowing that the 60% suffering damage is enough for the kill
daring hedge
shackle special DEMOLISHES tartarus
thank you for my next youtube video title
bronze viper
That actually happens all the time for me lol
true fable
thank you for my next youtube video title
we haelian now
daring hedge
exactly
true fable
wait
vital grove
Tail do Doom special
vital grove
Rama 50 heat only doom special
edgy arrow
doom special is good lili said so
vital grove
Yes
rain sedge
I've missed a mid shop for first 2 biomes
vital grove
I'm not saying it's bad just that I want to see Tail do it on 50
rain sedge
speedrunners
true fable
or merciful end
solar maple
game bad
daring hedge
I'm not saying it's bad just that I want to see Tail do it on 50
would this mean i can't use my attack
true fable
aspho sometimes it just happens
rain sedge
I got 1 story yeah
daring hedge
do i have to only spam doom special
true fable
missing tart midshop is pretty weird
spice lava
Fates
rain sedge
I have 700 gold going to lernie
edgy arrow
would this mean i can't use my attack
you can use athena attack but only to proc merciful end
daring hedge
missing elysium midshop feels so bad
vital grove
You can proc it with dash
true fable
you can do nothing wrong and miss aspho midshop
that is not failure
that is life
its from the SR discord iirc
daring hedge
yeah
spice lava
That is wrong architecture from Dad
solar maple
2 seconds (igt) into walking into asphodel and I see this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/812060404004028459/Screen_Shot_2021-02-18_at_12.37.49_PM.png
end me
true fable
beo?
vital grove
Hahahahs
solar maple
yeah
true fable
pain
vital grove
Walk into lava.
true fable
have fun with your 2 minute aspho room
solar maple
more spawned after those 3 I think
true fable
of course
solar maple
pure pain
true fable
they dont call it jury summons for nothing
also rama special doom with divine dash ME doesnt sound half bad
vital grove
BP is such a high variance screw
solar maple
dash attack -> jump away before I can cast
true fable
i kinda wanna try that
solar maple
rinse repeat 1049238 times
true fable
that is cursed
daring hedge
hmm the ME makes it too easy
vital grove
Yeah when I propose this spicy things there's usually at least a grain of good in it
daring hedge
doom special with none of the toppings
edgy arrow
um okay then
vital grove
You can get misfortune
true fable
what about curse of longing
edgy arrow
i’m sorry the challenge is beneath you
true fable
does that count
vital grove
I'd like to see how high you can stack doom with Rama special
vital grove
Misfortune and impending, then spam it hard lel
daring hedge
i’m sorry the challenge is beneath you
i was joking
edgy arrow
lmao
you’re so good at this game i can’t tell
maybe you do just smash out ME rama 50s for fun idk
true fable
we call it raME around these parts
bronze viper
Lol, not sure if sarcasm conveys well on text but I have actually our of curiosity been experimenting with Thunder Flourish on Chiron just now. The backwards thing doesn't work because the heart pattern will never land on anything behind you, but there is a very narrow forward distance you can stand that looks like it gives 2x Thunder procs the vast majority of the time. I'll post vid.
#meta
rain sedge
1 min 20s athena trial
bronze viper
#thisisworthitipromise
#ischirongoodnow
rain sedge
of course of course
daring hedge
ledger is the one brave soul willing to lab chiron
solar maple
but why? is 2 zeus bolts even more damage than arti special?
bronze viper
when i get relentless volley I'll see if i can get 3x
Because science
Because AoE
true fable
chiron still stinky
bronze viper
I think Retrash's 50 used Thunder Flourish iirc
daring hedge
yeah
edgy arrow
how to do builds:
- look up what Retrash did
- don’t do that do something else
shy plinth
Retrash is the best example of "this shouldn't work but somehow it did"
edgy arrow
i swear he does it on purpose
daring hedge
at least TD2 lets you pull that kind of thing
most of my TD2 50s are a lot like that
rain sedge
fist 50 felt doable
I got TD3-ed at heroes because I took the damn athena trial
but it felt reasonable
true fable
my main problem with fists is it feels kinda mega bad unless you get decent boons
gaunt fiber
Thanks for proving my point
solar maple
I need schad to do 50 heat beo so I can say "thanks for proving my point"
daring hedge
youd have to stream
bright making me stream by saying stuff like this #3
probably will start in a bit
true fable
POG
gaunt fiber
Oh btw your stream last weekend was sick Tail
true fable
what is #3
daring hedge
the third time you've done this lol
true fable
i was playing divinity with degenerates and lurking but
seemed fun
its more than the third time right
daring hedge
lol maybe i just have only streamed twice now so far
true fable
lofi tailesque streams to verify runs n chill to
bronze viper
I swear to god if I actually complete this yolo 50 thunder flourish run I'm going to salty I'm not recording lol. Strictly speaking "at work"
bronze viper
Oh thank god I died to super dad phase 2. I also played like an idiot, and I didn't get Splitting Bolt. This was... easy. Wait is this a thing?
mossy zinc
hmm stinky hades spear or sea storm rama
Don't let him make you call it "stinky". Don't let the haters get to you.
solemn pulsar
Hey so in the speedrunning discord we have "aspect of the week" where people try to see who can get the fastest times with that aspect for that week. Is a decently fun way of rotating through lesser-used aspects which normally don't see the light of day much.
Do you think there would be interest in a similar thing here? Like "see how high of a heat you can clear with this aspect this week?" I know there's plenty of fun challenges on the server, and maybe you've even tried this before, just wanted to float it
when it's a short thing not just competing for heat WRs and there's a little leaderboard each week it's fun go for 2nd/3rd etc, and not just be sad that you can't touch whatever tailesque/retrash/hadesprof/other aspect specialists can lay down
bright mango
is aotw this week hades spear?
dire steppe
it provides a tiny bit of aoe
gotta get level 20 high voltafe duh
honest kernel
last time I checked in here someone was trying to do 40 with all weapons-and eventually all aspects I guess
plush scaffold
Aotw would be even more interesting in high-heat than speedrun, since high-heat is less about luck than skill
dire steppe
last time I checked in here someone was trying to do 40 with all weapons-and eve...
bablo already did 48x40 in a row
honest kernel
nice
dire steppe
all aspects on 40 heat streaked twice without losing lol
honest kernel
thats pretty cool
rain sedge
last time I checked in here someone was trying to do 40 with all weapons-and eve...
half of the people here has done all aspect at 40 heat
shy gulch
^yea thats something a good few ppl here have done
rain sedge
but aotw would be cool
shy plinth
We could also do "pact of the week"
rain sedge
most aspects are at 50-51 heat mark
bright mango
yes that sounds better
shy plinth
Randomize pact settings etc
rain sedge
which I don't think is unreachable
chilly sun
i hope you guys know that all the beo talk inspired me to finally draw a zag with beo shield
rain sedge
@true fable someone is drawing your stream starting screen
bright mango
JOIN THE CULT
honest kernel
anyway if someone organizes it I'd prob be fun but I don't think I'll play it I dont like most aspects :p
dire steppe
half of the people here has done all aspect at 40 heat
some of the people barely did 33x6
bright mango
well we cant all be gamers
solemn pulsar
Yeah lol @ half the people doing 40 all aspects
Why does schad think so little of his skill
solemn pulsar
is aotw this week hades spear?
Yeah but this doesn’t have to track the speedrun discord it can be separate.
Might be nice for Lili to do on the website if they’re together though
bright mango
ye
honest kernel
oh high heat doc starts at 32 now?
timid kindle
how does this look for a pact
Chiron bow... I would do TD 5:00 but I'm sadly just not fast enough
at least with the bow
shy plinth
Would really suggest not doing RI1
And HS is painful too
That's 30 heat? Or did I do my math wrong
timid kindle
32
timid kindle
I was doing Forced Overtime 40% but that ended up being way too punishing at the moment
timid kindle
what (pls words my brain stopped)
shy plinth
Jury summons 1 and Lasting consequences maxed
No routine inspection or heightened security
Use stubborn defiance
timid kindle
I mean I know one more deadline and 40% overtime can help the game move faster in general but I don't have auto aim on this computer and I can only move in 8 directions
shy plinth
You don't need FO2 or TD3
shy plinth
It is tough for sure, especially on Chiron
timid kindle
yeahhhh
shy plinth
But routine inspection is making the game way harder for you
It is not recommended to take until mid-40s
timid kindle
I did it with stygius and it was the worst most painful thing ever
shy plinth
There's a pinned guide for 32 heat that's very good
chilly sun
the BP2 mood
shy plinth
What's the highest heat you've done before
BP2 is definitely difficult, worth getting used to but it's no joke
timid kindle
32 on Stygius with Nemesis... it took me like a week or two
one week
Athena hard carried
I had her attack and special and dash.. shame I didn't have the call
I was getting used to FO2 but then I gave myself a break
now I am not used to it
shy plinth
FO2 is def not necessary for 32 and it is super difficult
timid kindle
between HL and LC what do you reccomend
I feel like HL makes your health worth less
shy plinth
The pins are going to be really helpful for guidance
My typical 32 pact has HL2 LC4 but I'm not as good as a lot of the people here
LC4 with stubborn defiance is pretty important though
Worth getting used to
timid kindle
on chiron I found that Piercing Volley was just hard carrying me
love that little hammer upgrade
I don't think I even have stubborn defiance maxxed out yet... is it just 30% hp or do you upgrade it higher? how high does it go?
shy plinth
30% is max
But you get to die in every room so that becomes your healing
You can suicide in lava after an asphodel room for example to heal up
timid kindle
tight deadline go brr
shy plinth
And there's a trick with athena where if you pop your stubborn defiance and then get last stand or deathless stand, you get to keep a full DD from her and you get your SD back on top
So you can kind of cheat the system
timid kindle
yooooo
shy plinth
I'd really recommend watching some of the high heat vods from the sheet, you'll see it in action
shy plinth
Yeah
timid kindle
ASDFsdkflsdafk/lasdfsdalfmas;df
I've been going for the heart rend crit special build
hhhnmg
so... hmmmm
HC2, Stubborn Defiance, LC4?
maybe?
shy plinth
I'll post the pact I used but also cannot recommend Schad's guide enough
timid kindle
I'm looking at the visual guide rn
shy plinth
I used HL2 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO1 TD3
If you want to get 3 more points of heat somewhere else you could use DC2 JS1 instead of TD3
timid kindle
how in the heck did you do Rama and TD3
shy plinth
Rama is fast
And I always play with td3 on
You'll notice my clear time was not even close 😅
timid kindle
Rama is fast
Charging up Rama all the way is a very slow shot though right?
shy plinth
You don't usually fully charge unless it's going to clear a room
rain sedge
rama is hard for beginners. hat's pact is pretty optimum
shy plinth
❤️
If you want to see high level rama play watch some Tail vods
I learned a lot by watching better players
rain sedge
if it's your first 32, use that pact, load chiron up, and you'll get it
tail is streaming right now too if you wanna watch
shy plinth
Tail stream pog
timid kindle
tail who
rain sedge
pinned guide talks about some of the important things that'll be helpful for 32
timid kindle
I need more darkness to copy that mirror aaaaaa
rain sedge
oh
shy plinth
You can respec your mirror with a key
timid kindle
forgets keys exist
timid kindle
ASDFO:DSAFKODS:AMFSDF nOOOO
rain sedge
and you can play with 1-2 less rolls no prob
rain sedge
wdym hat
timid kindle
okay so here was my heat build for my stupid nemesis run
rain sedge
if love doesnt have enough darkness
timid kindle
rain sedge
-1 or -2 rolls are the most optimum darkness spending
shy plinth
You said max RI
timid kindle
it was a nightmare
timid kindle
look at my terrible pact and scream*
shy plinth
LC4 with DDs is brave
timid kindle
I somehow did it in a week
shy plinth
Have you not cleared with other weapons...?
timid kindle
Have you not cleared with other weapons...?
I've only been doing bow/gun for the past two days and I've been loving it
and yes that was my only save file
I purposely did no other weapons
shy plinth
I see
timid kindle
not "couldn't clear" I mean no attempts
shy plinth
That's atypical
timid kindle
total clears: 22
first, 1-20 heat, 32 heat
:>
I wasn't even sending a message.. it wasn't even fun... I
I'm not sure why I even did it
welp I'm gonna copy this pact and cheat pray for piercing volley
shy plinth
GLHF
dire steppe
Charging up Rama all the way is a very slow shot though right?
its faster on dsah strike
pseudo girder
Dash strike is basically mandatory on Rama
light stag
Rama Dash-Strike Powershot is slower that the regular powershot on the normal bow
bronze viper
Guys guys guys, maybe thunder Chiron isn't a trash fire. I have @gaunt fiber as an eyewitness. It performs interesting game actions I swear
rain sedge
retrash did 50 with it
that's been proven
if retrash did it, it must mean it's a good build 🙃
bronze viper
lmao
bronze viper
The 4 free heat from EM4 is abusing me
I'm pretty confident I can do it on Chiron though, you just play very scurred and he eventually dies
Thanks TD2
I lost a run pretty much exclusively because of Twin Shot though. It's trap don't do it. I tell myself that every time and I still take it
daring hedge
it's free :)
north dove
shh, don't tell other people or they'll start taking away my heat records 
dark radish
wait how is em4 free
gaunt fiber
we are joking, EM4 is hell :)
rain sedge
I wonder if people who don't usually come to this channel can distinguish the real advice and the troll
bright mango
Lmao
Hey kids seastorm rama is good
Totally legit
I’m working on it @daring hedge
solar maple
just died to heroes on 58 heat beo
such a good run too
if only I hadn't lost tooth in a random elysium room
I had a "good" build (my standards have never been lower)
em4 is free btw, just play beo 
spiral spear
What's the lowest number considered "high heat" ?
shy plinth
32 usually
spiral spear
Aight thanks :)
stone basalt
I've seen people mention hell mode, when is that unlocked? I'm only at 5 heat so far
Benefits Package as well
shy plinth
It's a separate option for new save files
If you want hell mode you have to opt in right at the start, it's a permanent specific 5 heat pacts
Usually not necessary to worry about
stone basalt
Are those things that are always available and just forced, or are those pacts exclusive to hell mode?
hollow lynx
4/5 of those forced heats are ones already available, only 1 heat condition is exclusive
bronze viper
Whoah you're a purple name now.
daring hedge
onyx has ascended
spring kettle
I turned on RI1 and AP2 and put on shackle and I got offered athena's dash and epic artemis attack
bronze viper
Okie doke. Back to the grind. Strimming
hollow lynx
i've been one since like, december 😔
bronze viper
;_; The dream is dead lol
Have patty and both DDs, but no damage whatsoever. AP1 slayed Dio's Aid and Splitting Bolt in Styx
bright mango
Rip
edgy arrow
is this zeus chiron
bronze viper
ye
edgy arrow
i gotta respect your dedication at this point
bronze viper
okay wish me luck. I have like 900 health, Weak, Different League, and 5 minutes to tickle dad gently to death. Pls don't heal pls pls
My only damage is... Thunder Flourish and Static Discharge.
edgy arrow
is it EM4?
bronze viper
yes lol
stone basalt
900 health?
edgy arrow
that’s with DDs
bronze viper
300+ health with 2 DDs, patty, and a touch of styx
stone basalt
Is that including what you would get from DD?
Oh ok
Over 300 is still a lot, I need to step it up lol
bronze viper
All I've gotten this run is health lol. The first time in a long time I just allowed Thanatos to kill 100% of the enemies in Elysium ("allowed" implies that I had another choice in the matter)
I'm so bad. I think I absolute could have gotten that if I didn't get hit so much in phase 3 osjopasijfpasoidfpaosidjfo
(The timer ended in the start of phase 3)
idle bronze
it happens
wanton plover
feelsbadman
honest kernel
So, high heat grind results so far : Almost made it on 51 heat mirrorless, but tiny vermin had other plans. 52 heat I died like a dummy to Hades' spin dealing 102 damage to me, which was my exact HP after my SD, and I died to an Elysium arrow at 61 heat. Was making decent pace without a special.
solar maple
what's your 61 pact?
honest kernel
Hellmode, everything maxed but RI3 and CP1
solar maple
oh yeah CP1 makes sense
honest kernel
Tried 62 heat a bunch, oh boi is that not timer friendly
Considering EM4
That or I go mirrorless EM4
Which is potentially worse for both the timer and the skill required
honest kernel
Can't do that without doing RI4
solar maple
TD2 all maxed seems terrible
honest kernel
^
solar maple
RI3 is necessary
honest kernel
You have to actually survive
solar maple
TD2 harder than RI3 62 heat IMO
honest kernel
You'd be surprised how often you get hit from getting overwhelmed
Or from Dracons instant-spawning in your face
Or BP boosted Elysium mobs
vital grove
Yeah. 60+ hard.
honest kernel
Also Swordsmen are a pain in every way. You can't even let them off of hitstun for a second or you get slapped in the face
vital grove
Yeah annoying mofos
honest kernel
Like
The way they handle animations out of hitstun leads to this kinda jank
Same deal with charms and stuff
Imagine them with armor and speed
Not fun
Oh well, ranting aside, I could see 61 heat being doable
Considering the time I managed without a special
true fable
baj youve returned to high heat now?
also charged shot zeus shield feels like a different weapon
true fable
Also Swordsmen are a pain in every way. You can't even let them off of hitstun f...
re: swordsmen, vor says the easiest way to deal with them is to try to stay to their backside but it's not 100%
sometimes they just suck
edgy arrow
omg i just found the screenshot for my first victory ever and its amazing
behold:
a 61 minute plume run
idk how i even got to 9% with a time like that honestly
edgy arrow
ikr
and like, i had plume so i was obviously trying to go fast
although i may have just forgotten about it i can't really remember
waxen relic
There's 4 chaos-boons in there. Still 60minutes
eternal escarp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/812266284044517406/Fir...
Was Hermes a bit angry at you though? 
opal drift
am i correct in thinking that 60 heat is mostly difficult due to the time limit?
mossy zinc
It's a lot more than the time limit.
opal drift
Well, of course
The damage and restrictions are nothing to scoff at
But it looks like a lot of RNG and a lot of hoping you don't go overtime
I would think that even with all the restrictions, the challenge would be considerably easier without the timer
mossy zinc
It's a factor, but like 99% of players wouldn't get to the point where RNG matters.
neat sonnet
The simple fact of getting screwed out of a lot of things that are usually guaranteed like boons means you still die a lot easier I believe
(From reading and watching)
mossy zinc
Timer or no, the EM4 fight is a DPS check.
opal drift
Haven't touched the majority of the more difficult punishments
spice lava
Well on 50h, runs already mostly die because you're beaten to death by foes before worrying about timer 😄
opal drift
Do bosses get the health increase as well?
mossy zinc
Yes.
spice lava
If you're meaning CP yes
neat sonnet
EM4 hades can and will heal over all your DPS if you’re not strong enough
opal drift
Wonder if someone's TAS'd it
mossy zinc
Very sure 64 is possible, but it's extremely difficult.