also for shackle start you can't really ask for a better build lmao
#h1-high-heat-strategies
solar maple
rain sedge
DC2 RI2
solar maple
RI2 next
rain sedge
oh
solar maple
natty athena dem was p lucky though
I don't like resetting c1 for cast so i start shackle and try to get it when I have a roll haha
rain sedge
yeah resetting for main boon on AP is miserable
it's the only thing that stops me from doing unseeded eris 56
4+ times reset every death to get lightning strike isnt fun
edgy arrow
just lost lucky tooth in a random styx miniboss because my mouse’s battery died
so random lol
solar maple
ouch
edgy arrow
it’s fine i died to hades phase 1 anyway
solar maple
what are you trying?
edgy arrow
beo 52
solar maple
competition 👀
edgy arrow
not really since you’re attempting 53 or 54 or whatever
solar maple
nah my internet is slow. Will be up in half an hour or so (haven't even started uploading yet)
true fable
not even with slicing flare
daring hedge
hadesprof is going for beo 53?
daring hedge
weird, is he on a shield kick or something lol
solar maple
not even with slicing flare
you joke, but I had a few slicing flare runs. Shackle start is wild
edgy arrow
now you gotta change your name to Beo 2 trick
rain sedge
are the other beo players gonna try to go for 55+?
edgy arrow
all we gotta do is convince someone to go for 55, then pseudo will preemptively do 56
it’s a flawless plan that’s bound to get beo to max heat in no time
rain sedge
since you all said RI3 is impossible for beo, and AP2 feels.... unfun
solar maple
yeah 57 is the limit for cast beo
edgy arrow
in theory charged shot beo might be able to clear higher... but like, good luck
solar maple
maybe if you seed 60 is possible
edgy arrow
yeah
solar maple
even CP2 DC1 RI1 was tight on timer
and I took most (all?) shops
0 chaos gates offered the whole run though I think
solar maple
yeah hell mode is free heat tbh
edgy arrow
but yeah even so
solar maple
PL is sooooo much less bad than DC
edgy arrow
the DC slowed me down more than i expected
edgy arrow
i left tartarus in that attempt with like 6 seconds on the clock
still had like 5 mins for dad tho, if i hadn’t screwed up
solar maple
DC2 unarmored witch rooms can kill a run
edgy arrow
yussssss
true fable
im kind of falling out of hades
solar maple
baiting me into 57 smh
true fable
👁️
edgy arrow
fight fight fight
solemn pulsar
Wow
true fable
im a bit tired
solemn pulsar
That’s a lot of hours
gaunt fiber
successful speedrunner retires
edgy arrow
thats a lotta hours ngl
solar maple
I'm at like 500
gaunt fiber
leaving astaos with 20k channel points
edgy arrow
I'm at like 500
... why have half the people better than me been playing for less time
solemn pulsar
Nah he’s just a bloons streamer now
true fable
i stream bloons and DOS2 i guess
i still enjoy hades though
just trying not to burn myself out
chasing WRs n that
edgy arrow
that’s pretty fair
solemn pulsar
WRs are for tools
true fable
LUL
edgy arrow
that’s true
true fable
ive gotten reasonably close on 52 but it would take some grinding for sure
edgy arrow
but by the time i get it y’all prolly be doing 56 at this rate
true fable
it would take some dedicated effort that i do not have the time or energy to muster atm
edgy arrow
yeah i did almost win but that was a near perfect tartarus
solar maple
though an RI2 pact can definitely get there
rain sedge
92 hours on PC, I think 100 hours on switch?
edgy arrow
prolly would’ve timed out otherwise lol
solar maple
ngl I was pretty scared with 3 min vs EM4
edgy arrow
92 hours on PC, I think 100 hours on switch?
that’s so few why am i so bad
bronze viper
Yeah holy cow that's so few that's impressive
solemn pulsar
i mean how many hours did you spend just puttering around casually before committing to high heat/improvement sort of thing
hours don't mean anything if they're not spent in productive practice that yields improvement
rain sedge
that’s *so few* why am i so bad
I play eris
solemn pulsar
i really think eris falls off after 50 heat
solemn pulsar
so clearing it above there is very impressive
edgy arrow
^
bronze viper
lmao
rain sedge
🤤 🍽️ 🎩
solemn pulsar
dang u speedy
solar maple
is this eris?
true fable
yeah schad wanted MEris 40 heat with JS3
solemn pulsar
nah he retired, remember
rain sedge
https://imgur.com/z20zot9
what's this screenshot supposed to be
solemn pulsar
he's probably mid run
solar maple
I am kind of sad my 54 ended up being with a real cast though
solemn pulsar
just showing you hi sprogress
rain sedge
stream it pls
solar maple
high heat ME bleh
true fable
im just curious why you thought MEris wasnt a real build
rain sedge
hmm
rain sedge
basically at 50 I time out in tartarus often
so I thought with JS3 TD3 you'll just time out since doom on eris attack is
quite bad
shy plinth
He'd rather eat <@!145977230034599937>
Don't eat meeeeee
edgy arrow
it’s a dangerous world for hats these days
true fable
curse of agony is a lot of base damage
edgy arrow
curse of agony +75% even more damage
eris is the only aspect apart from gilgamesh with an ability that directly effects ME damage
doesn’t mean it’s a top tier build, but i don’t imagine it’d be the worst
rain sedge
just @ me at the victory screen and tell me who you want me to sub
true fable
its a 5 sack
rain sedge
lmfao what
I guess I underestimated how broken my aspect is
do the tempest strike one and @ me with 5 people you wanna sub
solar maple
wow looking back at the 54 vod I played very clean. left tart with 134/165 hp
solar maple
take RI1 because I get hit constantly -> don't get hit
daring hedge
lol
solar maple
first SD lost to heal after lernie fight. I was on fire 👀
rain sedge
wow looking back at the 54 vod I played very clean. left tart with 134/165 hp
imagine being this clean
solar maple
if I play like that more maybe I actually can do 56 heat
though FF buff may have saved timer
and 100g was useful for sure
I don't think I would have died at any point with -50hp
well I would have lost tooth in elyisum I think
solemn pulsar
i am ashamed of this
wanton plover
merciful end, the answer to all our problems
rain sedge
why are people doing this 😦
bright mango
How tf did that work
shy plinth
Slowly
edgy arrow
10:29 at 40 is slow now?
daring hedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/811405977864634388/u...
cursed
shy plinth
10:29 is not slow
solemn pulsar
How tf did that work
rail ME is really good, but sucks before getting ME + Dash
shy plinth
But the merciful end application is likely slower than the weapons that typically use that duo
Though I guess you can just not use hestia
shy plinth
I was thinking of reloading after every shot
daring hedge
hestia is a rail after all
solemn pulsar
you apply at the speed of your dash, same as any other fast weapon
shy plinth
I guess you don't have to do that
solemn pulsar
hestia ME is good because you get the good hestia damage prior to ME
then once you get your build going to switch from bolt action to full auto
daring hedge
but also forsaking hestia's gimmick in favor of ME is inherently kinda cursed
solemn pulsar
only forsaking in half way in
true fable
rails are always good at doing ME
solemn pulsar
and tbh when EM3 asterius was spinning i was still bolt actioning
daring hedge
then why are you ashamed mr cgull
daring hedge
remember when bright said start tidal dash on hades spear
i might just do that
i give in
daring hedge
who’s doing merciful end beo
now that one is def cursed
rain sedge
are we making clowny build suggestions at 40 now?
solemn pulsar
so everyone just calm down
edgy arrow
the mostly cursed, maybe
actually prolly less cursed than ME arthur
it’s fine, so much ares gives you easy access to slicing shot 🙃
mossy zinc
but also forsaking hestia's gimmick in favor of ME is inherently kinda cursed
ME doing what ME does best: making aspect mechanics obsolete.
bright mango
Rama ME
edgy arrow
that’s fine prolly
daring hedge
solar maple
who’s doing merciful end beo
next time I get athena cast with shackle start
true fable
ive actually already done Meow ulf
mossy zinc
Rama ME<:dusa:522248771409543188>
@daring hedge, this person just solved 61+ Heat for you. Good luck!
edgy arrow
meow lmao
true fable
its the only way phalanx flare does dam
edgy arrow
phalanx flare isn’t the worst thing in the world
solar maple
phalanx flare damage is pretty good the aoe is just trash
edgy arrow
was forced into it the other day
yeah it’s the aoe that’s the problem
we’re all spoiled by playing flood flare so much lol
mossy zinc
ive actually already done Meow ulf
But have you done Mewmewulf?
daring hedge
imagine if true shot and hunter flare had more than paltry 10% crit
true fable
is that where you downpatch to +400% charged flight and say you played beowulf
mossy zinc
Also Heartbreak Flourish.
edgy arrow
i’ve done mewmewulf
solar maple
I really want to try athena attack +arti cast +DR
edgy arrow
that was my first 40
mossy zinc
Nice.
edgy arrow
heartbreak strike, heartbreak flourish, passion flare
mossy zinc
Excellent.
edgy arrow
i’m pretty sure those were my boons anyway
bronze viper
NOOO, I so badly wanted to win that run lol. So many combos. Lvl 1 Curse of Agony, Merciful End, Mistral Dash w/ Heavy Knuckle on Demeter aspect (40h). Died to Dad in phase 2 booo.
mossy zinc
40 hours is kinda slow.
bronze viper
Felt like it honestly lol
mossy zinc
You're not back to your usual pace yet, I see.
edgy arrow
(not actually classic)
bronze viper
I was provided with the classic pick of Merciful End vs. Divine Dash and I picked wrong
wanton plover
i did dio attack on arthur it was kinda neat
edgy arrow
why is drunken strike arthur a thing
i swear i’ve seen that like 3 times
which is a ludicrous number
wanton plover
bronze viper
Then I took Heavy Knuckle to help buff my damage since I couldn't get a pom to land on CoA. Good decisions were made!
rain sedge
lmfao bright
sea storm eris
basically normal eris but 40 damage lightning instead of 15
alright who do you wanna sub
mossy zinc
@true fable if you ping people with your victories, you should dedicate some runs for Lady Aphrodite's challenge.
rain sedge
5 subs gifted + my prime @true fable
congrats on ruining my aspect
idk who it goes to, apparently it goes to "Bright01's community"
rain sedge
thank you for strimming, your strim is enjoyable
arty attack with spread fire seed?
that thing kills so many of my 56 runs
solemn pulsar
wait is bright strimmin
rain sedge
I wish
mossy zinc
@rain sedge have you considered dedicated a run to Bright01?
edgy arrow
when’s bright gonna do boonless attack eris
i feel like he’s running out of other places to go
pseudo girder
shackle eris
edgy arrow
^
edgy arrow
how about boonless eris but shackle is banned
pseudo girder
no items
rain sedge
nah do what you want
pseudo girder
final destination
rain sedge
but hazard bomb from room 1
edgy arrow
Schad he’s doing them all you gotta make your challenges harder
rain sedge
hazard bomb eris is very hard ok
idk what else is harder on eris
I mean yah you can ask hazard bomb and boonless but
that's kinda unfair
edgy arrow
oh i didn’t realise we were trying to be fair
rain sedge
We might be clowns here but we're fair clowns
vital grove
Hazard bomb and Artemis special please
bronze viper
Boo, I need a verified unseeded 40 Hades lol. I won the practice run with insane RNG, so I guess that's fair I should redo
zealous glacier
I feel sad. I think I have to give up on 32 Heat. 50+ failed runs and I just can't seem to do it 😞
This is like when I had to give up on 100%-ing Hollow Knight
edgy arrow
32 heat is much more manageable than 100%ing hollow knight
have you checked out the pinned pact/weapon guide?
a lot of helpful info there
thorn bridge
What do you all try to build for in 32 heat with Lucifer? I;ve been struggling with it
Ive built around zeus attack, and poseidon+zeus duo. Other thought would be dio, but wondering if I should keep forcing zeus
Ive seen a merficul end build but a lot needs to go right, idk about it
wintry berry
Zeus on attack, Artemis/Aphrodite on special
zealous glacier
@edgy arrow I've read it and watched some vids and tried copying a friend's strat but no luck so far. I just take too many hits or run out of time.
edgy arrow
fair enough; 32 heat is a bit of a vibe check for most people, kinda requires a different approach to the game
took me a good while to get my first 32 as well
i can give you some more specific build/pact advice if you want, but a lot of it will just be getting used to it and practice
if you're feeling burnt out by it that's totally fair as well
thorn bridge
don't play if it's not fun!
edgy arrow
^
zealous glacier
Yeah my hands hurts, but I still like tips
Trying Eris with Zeus, and even got Athena Dash 3 attempts in a row
Got to Hades with both Chaos Shield and Hestia once before dying
edgy arrow
if you can get to hades, you can win for sure
chaos shield is generally my rec for people struggling with eris, what kind of build did you go for there?
zealous glacier
Tried the Dio and Ares combo several times, but I usually run out of time in Elysium.
edgy arrow
what TD are you running?
zealous glacier
7mins
edgy arrow
chaos is a very safe aspect, so its actually a potential option to run TD1 and other stuff instead, and just play it slow
my first 32 was actually TD0 with chaos
i'd also recommend giving zeus special chaos a try; i would say its definitely faster than dio and probably more consistent than ares
thorn bridge
everyone's different my usual layout forgoes TD to let me play patiently
zealous glacier
Maybe I should do that too. I favour of higher damage or less healing?
I did try zeus and the shield but I couldn't ramp up the damage fast enough
thorn bridge
I keep lasting consequences at 2 to accomodate for mistakes
edgy arrow
lowering lasting consequences and switching back to DDs is also an option
actually if you're mostly dying to bosses that's prolly the best place to start
thorn bridge
wait, you use stubborn?
thorn bridge
ah fair
edgy arrow
it lets you "heal" by dying
thorn bridge
I always want the security of multiple lives in the hades fight
edgy arrow
running DDs definitely helps a lot for hades, but switching to SD puts LC4 on the table, which means less other stuff to worry about
its kind of a coin toss as to which is easier at 32 imo, but go any higher and you're basically forced into SD
edgy arrow
i just got my first 50 yesterday
thorn bridge
nice!!
zealous glacier
Thanks for the advice. The reduced healing sounds absolutely terrifying with Hard Labor 2. Is taking Approval Process that bad?
shy plinth
It feels pretty bad
Getting used to lc4+SD goes a long way
Just means you have to clean up your boss fights
If you can do a run and end on 3 dds you should be fine with lc4+sd
edgy arrow
yeah AP is a no go at 32, as is RI
wintry berry
My first 32 heat clear had AP1
thorn bridge
approval process is horrible
zealous glacier
It's only bad 33% of the time 😉
edgy arrow
like, you can do AP if you really want, but there's always gonna be easier stuff imo
shy plinth
It's making your runs a lot harder
edgy arrow
I think routine inspection is fine enough
it really is not
dark foresight is a gift from heaven and should not be spurned
shy plinth
Routine inspection 1 is the single most significant heat in the game I think?
wintry berry
RI removes boon rerolls
shy plinth
Boon rerolls, rarity chance, and most importantly dark foresight
edgy arrow
Routine inspection 1 is the single most significant heat in the game I think?
for just level 1? yeah i'll buy that
shy plinth
That's about 6 less boons per run
zealous glacier
It's hard enough with it on to have something to sell for customs
shy plinth
for just level 1? yeah i'll buy that
Yeah and tbh I think period outside of maybe em4
But in terms of cost benefit it is such a punishing 2 points
thorn bridge
I've found all of my 32 heat runs offer enough non-essential boons for it to be fine
shy plinth
I don't think any boon is really nonessential tbh
wintry berry
Those non enssential boons handles UC
thorn bridge
I don't think any boon is really nonessential tbh
a common attack/special boon
edgy arrow
I've found all of my 32 heat runs offer enough non-essential boons for it to be ...
can it be done? of course it can. I've done RI4 at 32. But if the question is "what's the easiest 32 pact" RI should never be on the table
edgy arrow
^
shy plinth
You'll notice it
shy plinth
Oh
thorn bridge
😅
shy plinth
Yes that one is good lol
edgy arrow
ah
yeah that's fair; the acronyms are confusing sometimes
yeah UC is fine
annoying sometimes, but mostly fine
shy plinth
Phew
RI1 at 32 is impressive don't get me wrong
But yeah I'm glad you weren't dealing with that headache
zealous glacier
I still think I'd rather have Ri than any hard labor or healing reduction. I get hit all the time.
thorn bridge
Routine inspection 1 is painful, I dont like it but it's managaeable (im looking at the names now lol)
shy plinth
You would not
I get hit all the time too
RI1 means your build doesn't come online
You need to depend on mechanics
It's way way harder than taking extra damage or healing less
thorn bridge
I'd rather have power and refine my skill, than to forgo power and make mistakes less punishing
shy plinth
^
zealous glacier
First time I got to Hades on 32 every single attack hit me 😔
shy plinth
Check the pins for a good 32 heat loadout, watch some vods, and see what you could tighten up
zealous glacier
I have.
shy plinth
It's doable, just difficult
zealous glacier
Honestly the hardest part is the anxiety
shy plinth
Yeah that's def a thing
thorn bridge
Honestly the hardest part is the anxiety
valid, and honestly the first phase is the hardest (IMO)
shy plinth
If you're on Em4 I suppose
Elysium is where I tense up usually
Asterius doesn't mess around
zealous glacier
I think going back to Thanatos would help too
thorn bridge
Asterius doesn't mess around
Asterius is the vibe-check of a run IMO
edgy arrow
asterius is such a good friend- OH GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THAT AXE
^me in elysium
shy plinth
He just hugs different man
zealous glacier
I got so good at dashing through his attacks before EM. Had to really unlearn that the hard way
thorn bridge
Asterius is another reason I dont like TD
Like, same deal for hades, but if you're familiar enough with patterns you can reliably do it
wintry berry
My best 50 heat attempt is a time out at Theseus phase 2 with Asterius as miniboss.
shy plinth
TD just feels like easier heat than most others
As long as you don't dash into his craters then it's not too bad outside of the rush
The rush kinda sucks
At least at fo2
thorn bridge
At least at fo2
Im thankful im sticking to 32 and I never touch FO haha
shy plinth
Fo1 really isn't too bad
thorn bridge
it's still too much of a muscle memory screwer to me
shy plinth
Like when you first switch it on you'll die a bunch but once your muscle memory adapts
In a few days you'll have it down
mossy zinc
@zealous glacier I'd recommend you try TD3 at like a typical speedrun Heat and just practice beating that consistently. Ideally with like a 18 min average. That's good practice for doing 32+.
Helps you learn to optimize your build and DPS rotations and clean up your execution, so you get done quickly with regular encounters.
And get some practice in against the bosses while you're at it.
thorn bridge
lmao I just accidentally got theseus out of his chariot while focusing asterius (lucifer zeus build)
zealous glacier
@mossy zinc I think I could easily do that. It's benefits package that ruins my pacing.
shy plinth
Zeusifer
mossy zinc
Do that with BP2 then.
thorn bridge
So fun, I think poseidon lucifer might be the funnest build in the game but I wish it were stronger
zealous glacier
Oh my god that one is hilarious
thorn bridge
on the other hand, I dont think I optimized it well enough
zealous glacier
I love shooting people with the firehose
thorn bridge
welcome to wol
zealous glacier
Well thanks for the advice all. I might give it another go with these suggestions, but I also my try upping my anxiety med dosage.
torn vapor
torn vapor
Well thanks for the advice all. I might give it another go with these suggestion...
Please be careful and stay safe 
zealous glacier
Appreciate the concern. Got my wife with me and talking to a psychiatrist 👍
thorn bridge
Been there, gets better :)
One tactical note if you're struggling, without knowing how you play, is not to dash to approach but just walk (like, if you need to cross a room, np, or dash attack, all good). Since every enemy has a telegraph it's worth just reacting to that over rushing in and sacrificing your safety option. Maybe not so good for tight deadline though
zealous glacier
I do run out of dashes at bad times so that might not be a bad idea.
thorn bridge
Also, if you slightly delay your second dash, you slighly extend the total amount of i-frames you have
it also makes you go further
shy plinth
I strongly recommend watching tailesque play
While that may be an obvious suggestion as he is potentially the best heat runner in the universe
The way he dashes is precise and reactive
It's the best possible skill to learn if you can
thorn bridge
posted in victory boasting but Ive now beat 32 heat with each weapon. idk if I'll do each aspect but Im considering it
fun game
shy plinth
Grats :)
Woah Em4 cp2
You're patient
Every single one of your clear times would meet td1
I bet if you turned off cp2 you would hit TD2 every time
thorn bridge
I got burned once by it lol and now im irrationally afraid
hmm
that's a good point actually
thorn bridge
the best times were from lower heat though
thorn bridge
I think some of my 32 heat clears were over 40 minutes (shoutouts to guan yu)
shy plinth
Guan yu is a diff beast lol
thorn bridge
That was such a fluke of a win
Got tired of forcing aphro so I just put on butterfly and wound up with a bunch of demeter boons + spin buffs
I wish I took a screenshot because it was easily my most "why is this working" run
shy plinth
Yeah guan yu without TD can just spin2win
thorn bridge
Im patient but it's so painfully slow QQ
gaunt fiber
rain sedge
Thanks for dedicating the run for me @north dove 
Also that's the first normal retrash victory screen in my memory
vital grove
AP2 flurry jab heroic deadly strike
Aight, that'll do
Hm, I'm still a lot better with ranged than melee
It's weird I can do 40 or more pretty consistently with bow and rail, also Zeus shield, but the melee weapons are such a struggle
halcyon flame
is zeus technically a ranged weapon?
also you could try putting on ap1 and just going for exploding launcher if ranged is what you do better with
vital grove
Yeah that's when I enjoy guan Yu, charged Skewer
And I like demeter fist and Arthur quite a lot
I just seem to perform better when I have a ranged weapon
vital grove
Yeah and some of those BP combos
Seeker cloner witches lol, but any slugger really can do you in
solemn pulsar
yeah CC weps take more damage, by definition. and when that damage is doubled and sometimes quadrupled, it hurrt
vital grove
Achilles!
Ach and Pat:... 'nope'
halcyon flame
just put down some hallowed ground and hope for the goddamn best
true fable
so out of all the eris attack boons
divine strike was the hardest
tried running some DR build and died to lernie
solemn pulsar
triple/cluster reverse ME is the play for divine strike i think
rain sedge
all I hear is you resetting/seeding for spread fire
rain sedge
did you do dio attack?
true fable
yah
rain sedge
I suppose with curse of nausea it can work
true fable
curse of nausea blackout build
i suppose
its just those 3
since i did dem
dem was surprisingly good
arctic blast + KF with the eris buff is no joke
well
i guess i have 4 more if you include shackle eris
rain sedge
oh I forgot the arctic blast is actually useful here
true fable
now i kinda wanna do 40 heat beo with all beo casts
bronze viper
I made an arbitrary rule for myself to do 24x40 unseeded but I may regret that with Zag rail/shield/sword/spear (wait what does Zag spear even want?)
bronze viper
Does serrated allow for multiple procs? 2 at least?
I tried it on Hades for a while and forgot to check
true fable
i think 2
i could be wrong
all i know is it felt good
had like a 15 minute 5 sack on 40 heat
fallow stream
Serrated point + tempest strike and seastorm is effective
Especially if you have double strike
bright mango
Isn’t poseidon attack pretty bad on everything?
true fable
just put zeus attack on it and skip the middleman
yeah
poseidon attack is a meme
a common aphro attack takes 5 poms to reach +100% bonus damage
bright mango
Is it because of the knockback?
bronze viper
The only interesting usage I've had from it is on Lucifer in Styx or tight wall configurations with the wall boons lol
bronze viper
Sea Storm is dece. But yeah mega sad if you don't get it
true fable
ive found that getting breaking wave early will make or break your run tbh
at least for 40+ heat
i still kind of want to push soaker heat but
solemn pulsar
make or break your run
true fable
yah
solemn pulsar
true fable
north dove
Poseidon attack can work without sea storm if you get razor shoals
true fable
razor shoals is p good
bronze viper
Oh right I forgot about the new razor shoals
true fable
i just think its a pretty mediocre consolation for bwave
bronze viper
What is it's pom scaling? I know the first rank is +5
bronze viper
Okay yeah when I get to Lucy for 40h I'll probably try making Tempest Strike work. Instead of trying to force a bad Eris thunder strike build lmao
true fable
compared to other strikes and other poseidon boons
like
tempest flourish has normal scaling
so does flood shot/flare
every other attack boon has pretty normal scaling
then theres tempest strike
bronze viper
My theory has always been that the person designing Poseidon's mechanics was a lot less persuasive than the person designing Athena/Artemis/Aphrodite
solemn pulsar
they might be super overvaluing wall slam damage
solemn pulsar
like artemis is "low damage, but crit good"
poseidon is "wall damage gud"
but in fact, it is not that good
bronze viper
Wall damage is seriously busted in Styx until you get to Dad and it's totally meaningless :3
solemn pulsar
you hate that that's probably it, or you hate that i'm right
fallow stream
what do you do before you find sea storm
I use Poseidon attack on most weapons now, including fists
If I don't get seastorm, no big deal.
solemn pulsar
poseidon attack on fists? why would you punish yourself so
true fable
manthro's a nut
fallow stream
It's better than you think it is
solemn pulsar
one punch and they're out of range
true fable
i dont think it is
fallow stream
one punch and they're out of range
No
bronze viper
The knockback for fists is very small
fallow stream
Knockback is reduced on fists
true fable
LOL
north dove
I used tempest strike on fists during my 45 streak and it really wasn't so bad
dash strikes barely have any knockback
solemn pulsar
if the knockback is reduced what's the utility over literally any other % attack boon though
true fable
retrash didnt you take it to make things more exciting
bronze viper
Fist base damage is already so poopoo that the low % on Tempest Strike isn't really a cost
fallow stream
if the knockback is reduced what's the utility over literally any other % attack...
Because razorshoals is a criminally underrated boon
north dove
no I took it because it was purple
true fable
fair enough LOL
solemn pulsar
just use splash dash for shoals then
north dove
true fable
out of curiosity manthro, do you use priv status
solemn pulsar
? how can you say "knockback is reduced on fists so it's not a problem" and "knockback boons are good" on the same build though
seems like those benefits cancel out
bronze viper
Not really
fallow stream
out of curiosity manthro, do you use priv status
On my original game yes, but I've started a new one on hell mode
bronze viper
Any non-zero knockback on fists triggers Razor Shoals
true fable
so youre going to use priv status on this one too i take it?
solemn pulsar
razor shoals isn't a knockback boon, manthro already mentioned razor. i assume it was referring to typhoon/breaking
fallow stream
? how can you say "knockback is reduced on fists so it's not a problem" and "kno...
Think of breaking wave and typhoons fury with fists
true fable
lets go my priv status radar is still intact
bronze viper
LMAO
true fable
i can look at any 10 messages by someone and tell whether or not theyre a priv stat user
the only person ive been wrong about is ellomenop
who confuses the mind
fallow stream
Privileged status isn't that big of a desl
solemn pulsar
the only person ive been wrong about is ellomenop
did you think he was and he wasn't?
bronze viper
Yeah that's typically the argument I use for FF lol
PS isn't that big of a deal, why bother working for it
true fable
did you think he was and he wasn't?
i thought he wasnt and he was
solemn pulsar
oh dang
fallow stream
Oh sorry, I thought he meant personal liability
true fable
or at least for mom pom start poseidon sword
fallow stream
Yes of course I use PS
fallow stream
Because family favourites sucks
solemn pulsar
or at least for mom pom start poseidon sword
splash dash start is the new hotness
bronze viper
That is some spicy take action
true fable
LOL
gaunt fiber
nice
solemn pulsar
spicy take, especially for the high heat channel
bronze viper
At least in this channel lmao. It's all I hear in #h1-builds-and-combat
true fable
40 BIGGER NUMBER
waxen relic
2 is biggest number obv
gaunt fiber
with capslock it definitely has more impact
true fable
:^)
gaunt fiber
gj bright
fallow stream
I've always felt FF doesn't actually stack the way it should
true fable
its funny because hadesprofessor is a devoted priv status user
solemn pulsar
bright what's your opinion on splash dash poseidon start instead of mom pom
solemn pulsar
ok splash dash start instead of mom pom start
fallow stream
I like any cast I can lodge into an enemy, doesn't matter
bronze viper
I've always felt FF doesn't actually stack the way it should
There are rare cases when UC makes your "guaranteed" 25% take until Elysium to activate but I'd argue that's not that different from PS
fallow stream
But my favourite is flood shot or true shot
solemn pulsar
mom pom start: here have 1 or 2 extra levels
splash dash start: here's aoe damage to start, half of mirage shot, and a slot for artemis in your attack boon
bronze viper
I've been scorned pretty heavily even starting Dio in Tartarus by never getting a PS trigger that wasn't obnoxious to use.
true fable
cgull honestly whats the reasoning for splash dash start though
ok
hmm
i'll try it
solemn pulsar
same idea as the achilles splash dash start
true fable
but it sounds sketchy
solemn pulsar
lower mobility will hurt it though
bronze viper
Lol nowadays I start exclusively Splash Dash on Nem/Zagius
true fable
you cant get flurry jab on poseidon sword
solemn pulsar
double edge
true fable
and you deny your cast valuable poms
manthro you play the game your own way and you know what
i respect it
fallow stream
I've always gone out of my way to try completely different things than most
bronze viper
That's not a bad quality. We like the innovation lol.
true fable
like poseidon attack rama
fallow stream
I never used tempest strike on fists until recently, and now I can't stop 🤣
bronze viper
like poseidon attack rama
But like honestly, anything works lmao
fallow stream
Yo... Pos attack Rama with chain shot is insane
bronze viper
I have tried to find a build too much meme for Rama and it's very hard
solemn pulsar
hot take: rama barely needs crits
true fable
if sea storm procced on repulse shot id have a new favorite meme build
as it stands i'll have to stick with achilles spin builds
solemn pulsar
repulse shot sucks, i wish it worked like flaring spin
only blasting on firing the shot is dumb
fallow stream
Let me put it this way... After using Poseidon extensively with all weapons, you begin to understand why the multiplier is lower than most other boons
bronze viper
I did Tempest Flourish Rama and it was still excellent with only Razor Shoals lol.
solemn pulsar
the issue with using poseidon on all your weapons and saying it's good is...
how do you know you're not just getting better
if you're only using poseidon attack on stuff
bronze viper
He said extensively not exclusively lol
true fable
this is the crystal beam of discord discussions
fallow stream
how do you know you're not just getting better
This is the argument I use with people who say high heat mom pom is not feasible ... Maybe they aren't as good as they think they are 😏
true fable
way more effort than is warranted for very little payoff
solemn pulsar
the secret to retrash's power is that his game glitched and was stuck on repeating the EM4 fight for a month straight
shy gulch
LUL
true fable
honestly if you cant take chaos egg into dad youre not gaming
fallow stream
Lol
shy gulch
d i s t a n t
m e m o r y
fallow stream
Chaos has got into the habit of offering me +100% special on fists with the damage penalty coming from attack
solemn pulsar
eh hanging out at 1 HP isn't the worst thing in the world, especially with decent attack knockback from tempest strike
makes it pretty hard to get hit
rain sedge
this is the crystal beam of discord discussions
bright has a poetic way of dissing things
I like it
fallow stream
Fun fact... The chaos damage penalty on special doesn't trigger on fists if you use dash upper
solemn pulsar
bright has a poetic way of dissing things
this is the trippy flare of compliments
rain sedge
nothing beats the time astaos made a meme about this channel and builds and combat though
fallow stream
I only recently discovered this
bronze viper
Fun fact... The chaos damage penalty on special doesn't trigger on fists if you ...
This feels F10'able lol
true fable
nah its intended
solemn pulsar
it also gets dash strike damage from chaos buffs
rain sedge
this is the trippy flare of compliments
the 5 beo players here will jump on you for dissing on their second favourite cast
solemn pulsar
no that was supposed to be a good thing
gaunt fiber
nothing beats the time astaos made a meme about this channel and builds and comb...
At your service
solemn pulsar
trippy flare is sick
rain sedge
ah I see
solemn pulsar
my speed PB is trippy flare
rain sedge
because as an eris player
true fable
trippy flare is my favorite beo cast
solemn pulsar
dio beo is the most fun you can possibly have in this game, when build is online
rain sedge
I'd take after party over tripply flare
true fable
well schad
solemn pulsar
well you're thinking of trippy shot
which sucks
we're talking about trippy flare
which rules
true fable
you still havent tried hadesprofessors flurry cast scint feast eris build
bronze viper
Lol I wish I could tell if Chaos had already told me its throwaway line when you go into the zone with Aegis equipped. Still no Beo unlock.
Not that I'm dying to play it but I have to get to it eventually
fallow stream
I don't get why people like Scintillating feast but not lightning rod
bronze viper
Who doesn't like lightning rod
fallow stream
Can someone explain?
solemn pulsar
lightning rod requies that you don't have your casts
on a decent trippy shot/flare build you're running stygian
fallow stream
Lightning rod has infinite proc though
bronze viper
Oh on Beo specifically?
fallow stream
Use it with hyper sprint
shy gulch
i love rod dude
bronze viper
I can see not liking Rod then lol
solemn pulsar
lightning rod is also dangerous for cast builds because it drops off the pickup range significantly
shy gulch
like yeah but
solemn pulsar
if you're on a cast build it can give you headaches
shy gulch
just game better?
true fable
on a decent trippy shot/flare build you're running stygian
i got like a 16:30 trippy flare infernal build because poseidon vorime'd me
solemn pulsar
look he asked why people don't like lightning rod
i'm giving him the reasons people have
true fable
lot of damage control done that run
true fable
its honestly not bad until you get to elysium
waxen relic
Lightning rod only triggers once per second
solemn pulsar
scint feast is a flat buff to trippy shot/flare
rod is an additional mechanic to think about
they're not really comparable IMO
bronze viper
Yeah for non-cast builds it's very free lol
solemn pulsar
if you're offered scint feast you go "i want this"
if you're offered rod you think about it depending on your build and how dangerous you're feelling
that's all
bronze viper
Also very legit against Flamewheels or dad skulls
solemn pulsar
jk always take rod, and then just regret it later
when your cast is stuck over the pond
solemn pulsar
rod + recall?
solemn pulsar
lmao
bronze viper
Lmao
solemn pulsar
you get a couple bolts in while the casts fly back
fallow stream
of greater recall + lightning rod
Tbh... If you have hyper sprint, it works
bronze viper
We confirmed that you can't sell Hermes boons to open up future Hermes slots right?
fallow stream
Just run laps
true fable
yeah that doesnt work ledger
bronze viper
Boo
bronze viper
People hate on Side Hustle too much. Has some pretty decent incremental value if you take it in tartarus at epic
true fable
its not side hustle hate
bronze viper
It pretty much always guarantees you'll be over a purchase threshold with CF2
true fable
its just that hermes can give you a lot more
waxen relic
I took hustle in hellmode first room pog
bronze viper
I mean Hermes can also give you absolute dingdongs. His selection is not that wide lmao
shy gulch
yeah hermes has a lot of trash in the pool
true fable
its not the worst settle boon
shy gulch
but also some super super good boons ;_;
true fable
you could get 10% special speed
bronze viper
I just feel Side Hustle gets a lot of hate because people love it. But let's be real it's not Quick Recovery or a bloodstone boon
fallow stream
Exploding launcher + epic special Hermes, yes please
bronze viper
I got that in a 40 hades last night lol
I redid the run becasue I forgot to kill myself for unseeded and because it felt dirty
solemn pulsar
I just feel Side Hustle gets a lot of hate because people *love* it. But let's ...
the cast build oppression will not stand
true fable
LOL
rain sedge
you still havent tried hadesprofessors flurry cast scint feast eris build
when he did this, it felt like someone took my biggest achievement and took a huge dump on it and served it to me
true fable
i was going to take auto reload on that eris beam run i did yesterday
rain sedge
"look at how easily I did your highest heat with your aspect with a meme build"
rain sedge
sir
shy gulch
he genuinely likes it
but also hadesprof is a better gamer than u schad
so there is that
waxen relic
Eris is a cast aspect accept it already
pseudo girder
liar
bronze viper
when he did this, it felt like someone took my biggest achievement and took a hu...
Lmao, the feels. I remember when Tailesque was asking me speculative questions about Rama in 1.0
fallow stream
I'll never forget un-nerfed rama Zeus special
orchid sundial
32 heat is kicking my butt
fallow stream
RIP
rain sedge
but also hadesprof is a better gamer than u schad
this is true
shy gulch
have u looked at pins? theres a basic guide to 32 heat at pins
rain sedge
32 heat is kicking my butt
advice is pinned
bronze viper
Yeah, release Rama special was 25% faster I think?
fallow stream
It wasn't just that
It was the hammers, and the fact that they hadn't capped Zeus lightning proc at the time
bronze viper
You know, that's crazy, because I swear I remember that too, but I have no video evidence of it happening
I found videos of people playing Thunder Flourish Rama on the day of its release and Thunder procs on an ICD still
But I still remember it not working that way
fallow stream
It was (and still is) hilarious with relentless volley and Unhealthy fixation
true fable
you know what
i figured out how to make tailesque make a rama guide
if i make a rama special build guide
bronze viper
LOL
true fable
it'll trigger him enough to make an actual guide
shy gulch
LMAO
fallow stream
it'll trigger him enough to make an actual guide
Maybe I should make a Manthro's guide 🤣
Trigger everyone
bronze viper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u65ZE24BGAw&t=994s @fallow stream I believe this is a week after Rama's release. Thunder Flourish still has an ICD
Maybe? It's hard to tell honestly lol. It looks like it doesn't at 15:12, but does at at he beginning of the Lernie fight at 16:20ish shrug
vital grove
I'll write you a Rama guide right now
Hit special a few times, dash power shot, next room
bright mango
Maybe
rain sedge
if i make a rama special build guide
include my screenshot on your guide, I actually unbinded my attack for that run
idle bronze
oh noes
at Patrocles with full health and all death defiances at 32 heat and I'm not sure if I want jerky select (60% attack) to help in the theseus battle or hydralite to help maintain my nice health
bright mango
Touch of styx
north dove
what is your build looking like @idle bronze ?
bright mango
That’s what you want
idle bronze
Eris + Zeus, so attack would help the battle
bright mango
Are you using sd?
shy gulch
attack wont do anything on eris really
it only affects the base rail attack, which is very low
north dove
I would go health yeah
bright mango
How are you doing 32 heat without lc4?
bright mango
So like em4?
shy gulch
not really, theres a lot of flexibility in general
idle bronze
EM3 + FO2
idle bronze
like I said it is very rare I reach this point at full health 🙂
bright mango
Ok lol
idle bronze
alright health it is
bright mango
Do hydralite
idle bronze
here goes nothing
halcyon flame
Beowulf for the carry
bright mango
It wasn’t as hard as i thought it would be
I just needed to practice
Beat it without losing a sd
idle bronze
ok i'm lucky
at hades still with full health + all death defiances + acorn @ 32 heat for the first time
idle bronze
Eris + Zeus
missed the chance at Zeus Legendary during the run as well thanks to Approval Process randomly disabling it for me
vital grove
Eh it's not awful
Means you can use some healing for the low price of having 2 boons offered instead of 3
vital grove
I don't think that's a thing that happened
solemn pulsar
62 heat guy was never heard from
63 heat guys keep popping up
never to provide any proof
bright mango
Yeah I was talking about providing even a screenshot
They said they would take a photo from the admin chamber
true fable
then we could finally stop listening to @daring hedge saying that hades spear is a good weapon
gaunt fiber
if only they had obs studio
true fable
unfortunately tailesque is still the person with the highest heat who uses a recording application 😔
solemn pulsar
or, you know, a victory screen that showed they'd been playing longer than like 20 hours
vital grove
Astaos when you clear 63 and only victory screen it I'll believe
gaunt fiber
Thanks that means a lot
true fable
is heart of fire when you gift lernie a nectar
bright mango
In Astaos 50 heat gy, he got completely screwed over with charged skewer
gaunt fiber
Yeah but to be fair I'm still not resetting for it
So when it gets crossed out I don't feel that bad
I just want a hammer that does something
Grind is only beginning
gaunt fiber
Yeah it's not the worst
Has some value but really needs another spin hammer
(flaring spin is not a spin hammer mr linguist, even if there is "spin" in the name)
daring hedge
then we could finally stop listening to <@164508146746785792> saying that hades ...
Next stream is going to be 100% hades spear now
bright mango
yesss
true fable
pain
daring hedge
Like bright surely you don't mind if you watch hades spear being used by someone else right
I can carry the burden of the bad weapon
true fable
Like bright surely you don't mind if you watch hades spear being used by someone...
hey again
i enjoy playing it too
takes the pressure off
vital grove
Bright01 | casual hades player
true fable
i dont feel the need to do well like i do on eris
daring hedge
lol
vital grove
So hades 60 when
true fable
when i die on eris i feel like a failure
bright mango
WHEN TAILESQUE WHEN
true fable
when i die on hades spear i feel like a hades spear player
bright mango
when i die on eris i feel like a failure
same
daring hedge
when I roll serrated, hunter dash, and a million chaos lunge boons on AP2
true fable
are you strimming on weekdays at all or just weekends still
solemn pulsar
tail i heard a guy got 62 heat with fists and RI4
maybe you should hit them up for advice
vital grove
I heard he used Rama with thunder special only
true fable
hes new to the game but not to the genre
bright mango
We need the "it has been zero days meme" in here
daring hedge
Oh true, the HL4 tech
solemn pulsar
https://media.tenor.com/images/1a22832419b0ead63837b0fc21dd4d29/tenor.png
when you mention the 62 heat fists
solemn pulsar
yes
true fable
ok
daring hedge
Lmao
true fable
understandable have a nice day