those were the days
#h1-high-heat-strategies
edgy arrow
mossy zinc
Well, I personally thought Chaos Aspect was boring and I could never make it work for me.
proud jay
i enjoyed chaos even if it was too safe
but beo charged flight felt way too busted
it's absurd to one-shot pretty much everything with one boon
mossy zinc
But it felt broken in "you know what, I'll just do +11 over my PB Heat and get a WR" way.
And we had to grind a lot to make it work.
Took me 2 hours to find an AP2 Charged Flight seed. 
solemn pulsar
ah, the dark pre-ello's boon selector times
bronze viper
Oh lawd I do not fondly remember that part of the gameplay loop
I liked bablo's way of yoloing until you got a hammer then checking every aspect to see if one of them got anything good with AP1/2
Still extremely time consuming but less so lmao
solemn pulsar
^ before i was in the community and knew about any mods or whatever and was just trying for sub-10 times, I totally did this
proud jay
good boon/hammer -> erebus was the best
bronze viper
I have PTSD from room 1 Super Elite Witch erebus
solemn pulsar
i mean if you're going to take an erebus gate in a race the only thing worse than wasting a meg on it is not getting the reward, so
bronze viper
Why is it so common only in room 1 Erebus?
I swear I take Erebus pretty often in Tartarus but I so rarely see the witch not in room 1
edgy arrow
i’m so glad it’s not just me
super elite witch in erebus is the hardest boss in the game easy
bronze viper
It might be something to do with challenge rating and room 1/2 not having that many points to spend? I don't know if Erebus scales along with rooms though
Just a guess
bronze viper
I know I've seen the witch outside of room 1 but I really have to gird my loins whenever I enter Erebus in room 1 lol. Maybe that's why it's so memorable.
solemn pulsar
turns out all the exposed lua code is a red herring, all the real game code is underneath, and everything we think about how the game works is confirmation bias
bronze viper
Turns out there is no code. We've all just been confirming a weird common multi-OS bug that manifests as a game.
edgy arrow
lol
they said it was confirmation bias when i told everyone that there was a 50/50 chance of getting a legendary fish and I WAS RIGHT DAMNIT
mossy zinc
Why is it *so common* only in room 1 Erebus?
I imagine the difficulty rating of an Erebus that early is not high enough to allow some of the other Superelites into the pool.
Just a guess, though.
mossy zinc
turns out all the exposed lua code is a red herring, all the real game code is u...
Amir just watches us and flicks switches.
bronze viper
they said it was confirmation bias when i told everyone that there was a 50/50 c...
Lmao, I've seen people claim Legendary is 5% on perfect catches and I'm just like... y'all have clearly not been getting perfect catches. Up to my eyeballs in Scyllascions
edgy arrow
yeah it was actually proved to be 50/50
waxen relic
I think the only superelites i've seen in first room erebus are Witches and Numbskulls
bronze viper
Wtf is a super elite Numbskull?
mossy zinc
The proof was that they told us it's bugged to be 50/50 but were very happy with the results and chose to leave it like that.
mossy zinc
Thankfully without perks.
solemn pulsar
yeah i saw the code for the fish, it's setup in the weirdest way i've ever seen
so it was easy for a bug to slip in
edgy arrow
i know nothing about coding but when i saw the explanation it seemed whack even to me
halcyon flame
getting dds from athena while using sd is also obviously a bug that was left in
solemn pulsar
for fishing, the bug is literally a typo/misnamed variable, but because of the way they set up the code, instead of it crashing/erroring it results in a 50:50 rarity ratio instead of 1;20
bright mango
Where can you see the games coding?
solemn pulsar
look in the installation
bright mango
Seems kinda interesting
solemn pulsar
Content/Scripts folder
wanton plover
browse local files
solemn pulsar
the lua code (not the game engine) is all exposed in plaintext
bright mango
I dont know how to do that on a switch lol
wanton plover
damn lol u cant do it there
halcyon flame
judging from the fact that they make you go to erebus like 50 times for the codex entry thank god they didn't go through with 1/21 legendary fish chance
bright mango
rip
wanton plover
unless u do some magic and plug ur micro sd into something and do something on pc and something else and then maybe it works
bright mango
Yeah im good
bright mango
Yeah ive seen botw mods but I dont have that kind of equipment
solemn pulsar
you can just get someone to send you a zip of their Scripts folder
mossy zinc
getting dds from athena while using sd is also obviously a bug that was left in
Obviously indeed because Amir didn't know about it until we told him.
bright mango
And they still haven't done anything about it(plz continue not to)
edgy arrow
unless u do some magic and plug ur micro sd into something and do something on p...
pro hacker here
halcyon flame
32 heat would be very much not fun if sgg was actually stingy about glitches
solemn pulsar
i mean they decided it was OK as a feature
bright mango
i mean they decided it was OK as a feature
oh ok
edgy arrow
like “we were gonna keep this in, but it makes the game crash half the time which is bad”
halcyon flame
pretty sure there's a difference between getting the game to give you a dd when it's not supposed to vs what i'm assuming is skipping an entire boss fight
edgy arrow
most devs would just yeet something like that without a second thought i think
edgy arrow
pretty sure there's a difference between getting the game to give you a dd when ...
oh yeah ofc, i’m just saying they were more hesitant than i would’ve expected to patch out even an obviously game breaking glitch
halcyon flame
speaking of dds
i noticed a pattern where if i don't get an athena dd in high heat i'm guaranteed to fail
but if i do i end up not even needing it at all
wanton plover
mental
bright mango
i noticed a pattern where if i don't get an athena dd in high heat i'm guarantee...
Same with me but its reversed. Ive lost every time I get athena
edgy arrow
hmm i wonder if that’s hard coded 
bronze viper
I also notice that I only see Patty when I have Athena DDs. Maybe he likes to see insurance on his investment
mossy zinc
Yeah.
Not me.
I don't remember, but somebody in the speedrun server did.
I think it was like a 40% chance to see him.
bronze viper
That feels about right
mossy zinc
Never really mattered to me because you can't affect it anyway.
Like, knowing that doesn't affect your decisions at all.
true field
@mossy zinc Hi, I made a mistake in my submission to the High Heat clears spreadsheet. Do I PM you to fix it? One double entry, and another one showing the wrong weapon.
bronze viper
Oh, yeah, for sure. Was just curious though. Also lol it's definitely come up that a heart vs. boon option came up late in Elysium and I would have erred towards the boon if I knew that for whatever reason Patty was overwhelmingly likely
mossy zinc
<@!311477984886521856> Hi, I made a mistake in my submission to the High Heat cl...
Tell me what to fix and I'll fix it.
RidiculousHat, Tailesque, and I can edit the spreadsheet, so you can message any one of us when you need help.
Oh, I see the double entry.
unborn pivot
Not sure if I should ask here, but for the time limit pact, does the final boss count as its own underworld region?
Or is it grouped together with styx
mossy zinc
Counts as Styx.
bronze viper
It's part of Styx
kindred sluice
Btw this only reaches 31 heat
halcyon flame
looked at the high heat spreadsheet and jesus christ tailesque's minimum is literally 50
mossy zinc
40 is the lowest he's submitted.
solemn pulsar
i maintain that his game is glitched and he's too embarrassed to fix it
rain sedge
I'm at work my companion astaos
but I'll have it on second screen intermittently
to watch your 50 GY
kindred sluice
Recommended conditions for Rama?
bronze viper
Whatever you fancy
mossy zinc
Apparently everything.
kindred sluice
mossy zinc
That's what Tailesque does.
bronze viper
Oh lmao, no, I meant whatever combination of pacts you're most comfortable with
Rama can do anything
shy plinth
Rama can usually get away with DC2
kindred sluice
Oh
mossy zinc
Rama doesn't have any trouble with any pacts in particular.
FO0 will make things a lot easier.
TD3 shouldn't be a problem because Rama DPS is crazy even with no boons at all.
bronze viper
Avoid TD3 and EM4 until you have a lot more experience lol
true fable
i think FO is one of the harder pacts for rama until you get more experience
bronze viper
I think TD3 closes off way too many avenues of play at 32 heat. Chests, Erebus, non-mid shops etc.
true fable
but also the only way you get that experience is by playing with FO
halcyon flame
em4 is yikes
true fable
:^)
kindred sluice
Well right now I only have HL3, LC1, CF2, JS3, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, DC2 and TD2 but I’m missing 3 heat.
halcyon flame
lc4 with sd is very intimidating since you're constantly at 30% health
rain sedge
if this is your first 32, guide is pinned
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, I forgot I wrote a guide for 32 Heat.
halcyon flame
unless you get touch of styx from patty which bumps that up to 80% health and if you get a 2-sack it basically lasts for the rest of the run
true fable
troves are extremely good
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
Here's my guide.
bronze viper
Lol, it's easy to forget how hard it is to make 32 heat work without LC4 FO2
mossy zinc
Can I get my guide pinned, too? I like mine more. 
true fable
i dont
mossy zinc
Maybe ledgerdamayn can also write a guide and get that one pinned.
But you're a casual.
mossy zinc
Then we'll have three guides.
wanton plover
you c an either ease up on js to take td3 or just let it be td2
bronze viper
Lol, I more or less agree with the guide already there. It's fine. I feel bad for someone reading it as canon and trying DC2 on Excal but shrug can't catch them all
mossy zinc
Well, you're probably gonna have to do something that you can't quite do just yet. Getting faster to beat TD3 I think is easier than dealing with 3 Heat in other pacts.
Although in Rama's case, DC2 isn't a big problem, so you could move 2 Heat from TD3 to DC2.
And then 1 Heat elsewhere.
bronze viper
At the very least TD3 forces you to play efficiently and learn how to play with less. At worst TD3 will force you to play way too aggressively and die very quickly lol
shy plinth
Personally I'd recommend flipping on FO1 TD3 on a lower heat pact that you're comfortable with and adjusting
And die a lot until you don't
Also worth watching vods of really good runners to see how they move faster
kindred sluice
Well I changed some stuff around I now have uh
HL3, LC4, CF2, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, DC2 and TD2
And I switched DD for SD
On the mirror
shy plinth
Solid pact
wanton plover
ok good luck 😳
kindred sluice
astral bough
remember to try to die before the next room if youre below 30% health (and have sd left)
kindred sluice
Noted
mossy zinc
More importantly, remember not to suicide to heal back to 30% when you've already lost your SD in that chamber.
shy plinth
If you forget you will remember very quickly
kindred sluice
Won’t I just die?
shy plinth
Yes
kindred sluice
true field
Good luck! HL3FO1 for EM3 + Hades on SD will be a challenge. If you're close but no cigar, might want to try taking off the HL3 and doing AP1+DC1 (or also ditching TD altogether, and adding some Jury Duty, which Rama is quite good with taking care of and with SD, nothing really matters besides boss difficulty.)
shy plinth
Approval process on 32 is kinda rough
Really just a question of learning and getting used to FO or trying to find the heat elsewhere, it's pretty hard to progress past 32 without it
true field
Not bad for Rama imo, with no RI too
shy plinth
Though @true field I know you're definitely into the TD-free runs
Your playstyle is def atypical here, not that that's a bad thing 😉
true field
I've yet to complete a TD1 run above like 10 Heat =/
Honestly, I just play worse, I think it's more a mental thing than anything else with TD1. There's no reason I can't do it, besides that I can't.
true fable
theres always time to fish
shy plinth
Sometimes I'm by the door in room 1 and I hear the ding and I'm not dashing back
mossy zinc
Won’t I just die?
That's why you should remember to not do that lol.
kindred sluice
I somehow struggle more on Lernie than Asterius and Theseus unless I meet Asterius in a room, then I just cry inside.
But SD should sort that right out.
shy plinth
Asterius on EM3 with FO will take some getting used to
You will die to his craters 100%
I did like... a lot
mossy zinc
Eh, just get Divine Dash in Asphodel.
Deflect his ground pounds, shockwave can't hit you then.
shy plinth
Have you tried dash-striking in out of force of habit and then getting hit
mossy zinc
I did like a bit over half a year ago maybe? I gave up on it, though.
shy plinth
Hrm probably smart
mossy zinc
m always usually smart.
kindred sluice
I legit
Cannot dodge Asterius, I’ve done it once. And that’s because I went sideways and he somehow zoomed past me into the wall.
I’m starting to realise I don’t understand some bosses as well as I thought.
Sometimes I die to Lernie and I have no idea how and it’s mainly because of the Hydras not Lernie by themself.
I start with Artemis’ boon in Tartarus then go Acorn because Lernie is annoying so I don’t bother trying to get another boon half the time tbh.
The only time I nearly completed 32 was with Chiron and I had Artemis and Aphrodite and my build was really broken somehow I think it was weak and then one of the mirror upgrades plus the crit. But I lost Death Defiance in the Temple then one to Hades then I got him really low and walked into his laser on accident.
mossy zinc
Maybe watch some runs from the board with your aspect, and see what they do different.
You could also watch your own attempts if you're recording to see where you make mistakes.
bronze viper
Acorn for Lernie is actually fine, especially with RI1+ and AP1+ where getting a DD with Athena is not super likely.
I know those aren't your conditions but just saying it's not a bad thing to do
bright mango
Pick the aspect up you are most comfortable with
Hestia is like the god tier 32 aspect but when i tried it with eris (the one I’m most comfortable with) it didn’t even feel like 32 heat
spiral island
I think I beat 32 with Hestia
halcyon flame
i just used eris because the pinned messages said so
spiral island
That's what I did with 16 heat and it was ok
halcyon flame
hestia is not good™️ for going fast so it's a no-go for me since i like to keep it on td3
spiral island
td3 is good but don't use JS or DC with Hestia
Just don't
CP is also bad because you're removing the one shots
bright mango
Yeah my first 32 was rama but eris felt way easier
spiral island
I suck at rama
I can't get used to how slow the attack speed is
I prefer Hera over all other bows
Though Chiron is the good stuff
bronze viper
Lmao, that's heresy in this channel (I like Chiron too)
spiral island
Chiron is a spicy meatball
And no I don't hate Rama
I'm just bad at it
I know it's really good
vital cave
Does the 32 heat challenge has an achievement on Steam? Or is it only the 8 and the 16 one?
bronze viper
8 and 16
spiral island
I dunno why not 32
bronze viper
@spiral island Lol, the heresy was having positive comments about Chiron
spiral island
Maybe too hard for the majority
bronze viper
Developers mentioned it was on purpose, to give completionists a reasonable goal
vital cave
Is there a 16 heat combination that is easy for the bow? xD
bronze viper
For people who play a lot, or for people coming to Hades looking for a good rogue like, then yeah, 32 isn't bad. For people coming to Hades looking for the 4th SGG game, 32 heat is ludicrous
spiral island
Right
bronze viper
There it is
true fable
LOL
spiral island
Sad
true fable
just for you ledger
bronze viper
❤️
true fable
not interested in gilga and chiron duking it out for bottom tier
bronze viper
Is there a 16 heat combination that is easy for the bow? xD
At 16 heat, it's honestly whatever you don't mind playing with. Some "free" heat could be BP1, EM2, MM, TD2 + whatever
true fable
throw arthur in there for good measure :^)
spiral island
Arthur too slow
true fable
and chiron isnt?
bronze viper
Arthur too slow and too unsafe lol
spiral island
Chiron can be good at max level
bronze viper
Chiron is definitely lame, really can't argue with that lmao
solemn pulsar
stand in place while my 50 arrows take an hour to fly out
true fable
trueee
spiral island
Surprised people hate Chiron so much
bronze viper
It's my second favorite aspect :3
solemn pulsar
it's a great weapon starting out
but when you try to start pushing high heats / fast times
shy plinth
It's thematically cool
shy plinth
Nah it's fine just hit relentless and conc volley every time
true fable
the arrow nerf is terrible
shy plinth
1.0 chiron was beefy
solemn pulsar
bright imagine you have deflect on attack
you deflect with your attack
proc deadly reversal
true fable
keep dreaming
solemn pulsar
then unleash a charged artemis volley concentrated relentless special
that would be the same damage as like 1 cluster rocket vollley lol
bronze viper
They nerfed it as an overreaction to the popularity of the aspect after the buff. Since it's not the hardest weapon ever it pretty hard-trivialized the content that most players would play it at.
true fable
that would be the same damage as like 1 cluster rocket vollley lol
in like thrice the time and for 4x the effort
that is fair ledger
i think they could buff it now without too much issue
spiral island
Haha I wasn't here in early access because nobody told me Hades existed
bronze viper
Hoo boy Chiron Early Access was... something
bronze viper
There's a video of @proud jay at 43 heat I think? Which showcased our theorycrafting that Chiron couldn't be played above that point if you intended to use the special lol. You played it as a 0-crit Zag bow.
vital grove
Hey I did 46 chiron and only lost to time out on 3 sack, the run felt quite powerful
Lost to Hades phase 2 timeout
And I'm no high heat player like bablo by a longshot
bronze viper
To be fair we were all worse at the game. There were a low single digit number of 50+ runs period
bronze viper
I was going to once there was an update to #test-branch-updates
rain sedge
There's a video of <@!108663629674471424> at 43 heat I think? Which showcased o...
this is my takeaway from said run
proud jay
bow had way worse hammers and base damages back in those days
also special animation was longer
bronze viper
Lol I remember losing runs to DC2 FO2 tiny rat rooms in Styx.
proud jay
yeah Styx is where chiron runs died
my first 40 heat clear on Chiron was with splash dash, pretty much every tier2 poseidon boon, and even second wave
bronze viper
Huh, that's my current intended strategy for 40 Zagius and Nemesis lmao
proud jay
i should review EA high heat runs on stream sometime
shy plinth
there's retrash's chiron at 50
Retrash runs need a disclaimer
Not to be attempted by normal people
bronze viper
"What a coincidence, another Chaos run with Epic Thunder Flourish and Static Discharge."
wanton plover
lmfao
how i feel every single time i see someone get double edge on any sword
i hate/love that hammer
daring hedge
There's a video of <@!108663629674471424> at 43 heat I think? Which showcased o...
i did chiron at 50 and fully used the special
proud jay
pre-1.0?
daring hedge
ah no, sorry didn't see the context
bronze viper
Lol, most of the 51+ clears in EA for Chaos used the same seed, with Epic Thunder Flourish and Epic Static Discharge in the first couple of rooms, with AP2, and Athena in Tartarus
daring hedge
this was post-1.0 nvm
solemn pulsar
IMO hammers are designed to adjust play style with a weapon. Double edge would be a good hammer if it encouraged play style to shift to more dash strikes. Unfortunately high level sword is all dash strikes anyway so it’s just a flat buff you always want
wanton plover
the last wack in sword combo
rain sedge
I like how hazard bomb adjusts my playstyle on eris
halcyon flame
normal sword combo < arthur sword combo
rain sedge
it really helps me reset runs quicker by hitting myself with special
daring hedge
i like how hazard bomb and spread fire feel incredibly awkward together
bronze viper
i like how hazard bomb and spread fire feel incredibly awkward together
lmao I did this exactly once by accident
The great thing is it's still possible to play that way
bronze viper
coward
daring hedge
but big damage :(
shy plinth
Yuge damage
halcyon flame
i mean if you really want it then you can try i-framing it
i-frame it or die (take 16 damage)
bronze viper
Didn't they make the damage you get from Hazard less ouch
gaunt fiber
I'm garbage at the game
rain sedge
nah you played really well, it's just hard when you can make about 2 mistakes before getting sent back to the house
gaunt fiber
25 hp at HL5 FO2 is so hard
Lernie is mean and hates me
Did not reset for charged skewer tho
bronze viper
My least favorite lernie combo is a couple of slow laser heads with white head spam. They just linger in the air for so long
dire steppe
There's a video of <@!108663629674471424> at 43 heat I think? Which showcased o...
chiron bad?
bronze viper
ye
kindred sluice
For Rama what is the main source of damage? Attack or Specials? I want to take Artemis so
gaunt fiber
Attack for sure
kindred sluice
Thank you
bronze viper
If you get lucky with Zeus you can go Thunder Flourish as primary damage on Rama. The special fires very quickly and has free AoE, so it is very good.
That's probably the only instance where you aren't using your attack to do most of the damage though
gaunt fiber
No Ledger don't
bronze viper
Lucky in this case meaning Splitting Bolt
gaunt fiber
Please don't
bronze viper
¿
gaunt fiber
They must see the light
Special Rama is getting way too popular
I often see some beginners saying "don't bother with the attack tbh"
gaunt fiber
Lmao
bronze viper
The "light" was Early Access Charged + Relentless Volley with Deadly Flourish don't @ me
Base 5 damage git 'em good
I'm actually kind of shocked they removed Charged Volley from Rama's pool. That was a pretty big buff lol.
rain sedge
I often see some beginners saying "don't bother with the attack tbh"
I mean it's kinda valid for beginners
in fact
I bet I can clear 40 without touching the attack button once
challenge accepted. brb .
gaunt fiber
Dude
bright mango
With gy?
gaunt fiber
The sole reason why I did not play Rama early on
bright mango
Wait people are saying dont use attack with rama
gaunt fiber
Was because I got so many people telling me it was a special weapon
Could have been a Rama main maybe
But here I am at 50% hp
gaunt fiber
Wait people are saying dont use attack with rama
Yeah it's frequent on #h1-builds-and-combat
bright mango
That’s kinda stupid
rich void
???
gaunt fiber
Well it's just that they don't know and special can work
bright mango
Rama damage is bonkers
rich void
You can't apply shared suffering to the special itself wtfff
gaunt fiber
Yes Zelda but lightning go brrr
daring hedge
like sure you can force special to work by itself but rama is very clearly meant to make you use both special and attack in tandem
you willfully waste a huge chunk of the weapon when you ignore attack
solemn pulsar
for someone without a lot of hades skill, special only will get you through
and attacking will get you hit
rich void
What is flat damage vs. +% boost....
solemn pulsar
so i see why it happens to that
rain sedge
alright
gaunt fiber
Yeah
daring hedge
yeah it's definitely the easier option but it's very boring imo
rain sedge
is 32 good enough or does it need to be 40 to prove a point
gaunt fiber
Wdym Schad
bright mango
My first 32 clear was hangover spam tho. I shouldn’t be talking
bright mango
It’s like the most cowardly build ever
true fable
not sure what you think youd be proving with any 40 heat rama clear tbh
daring hedge
rain sedge
s i r
daring hedge
LOL
true fable
or hmm
rain sedge
firstly
true fable
how about spread fire deadly strike eris
true fable
oh really?
rain sedge
I saw the haelian ME lucifer
true fable
is that a challenge
daring hedge
why wouldn't it work at 40
rain sedge
I really don't think it'll work
bronze viper
you willfully waste a huge chunk of the weapon when you ignore attack
Yeah the only exception is Splitting Bolt on Thunder Flourish, which is true on every weapon. If you get Splitting Bolt on Dash you're not doing anything else
rain sedge
JS3 on MEris
dire steppe
i feel like me eris is meh because impending doom exists
true fable
you guys do realize zeus attack wasnt always the way to build eris
gaunt fiber
"you'll deal more doom damage but not now, maybe in the next run"
rain sedge
okay
I think it can work at 40
but with JS3 very hard
I challenge you to do it then
stream it
bronze viper
What can work at 40?
rain sedge
bright thinks MEris works at 40
I think he'll time out unless he gets ME on tartarus
oh wait
you're gonna do JS3 TD2 arent you
bronze viper
Yeah probably lol. TD3 with doom + deflect seems bad. You're probably not even getting ME anyway
daring hedge
bright thinks MEris works at 40
40 isn't as harsh as you think it is really in terms of making a build work
ME eris would def work
plush scaffold
Plus athena dash is probably safer than poseidon at this heat ?
bright mango
Astaos someone just beat ur gy record
bronze viper
I have made far more garbage things work at 40 than ME lol. Tidal Dash and Dio's Aid by itself can carry any aspect at that heat
daring hedge
athena dash def works on eris yeah, i did that for my 50
plenty of damage from the attack
rain sedge
40 isn't as harsh as you think it is really in terms of making a build work
I know, but it just sounds so bad to work
idk tho, bright is much better than me
bronze viper
Oh for sure it's not great lmao
But that's why it's worth
aka The reason why anyone plays Lucifer at high heat
wanton plover
how hammer dependent is hades spear
bronze viper
A lot/not a lot
daring hedge
not very, but it's slow-ish without serrated or exploding
bronze viper
It's not depedent, you can make whatever work but your zoom zooms go through the roof with hammers
wanton plover
on a scale from chaos shield to nem sword
daring hedge
like, very high heat hades spear has to run TD2 with subpar hammers pretty much
but can easily do TD3 with exploding or serrated
bronze viper
It's very similar to Rama for hammer scaling
Rama needs literally nothing to work. But okay obv I'm not going to not slightly nut if I get Twin Shot
Though it's got a lot less great hammers than Rama so you really can't even rely on one happening.
daring hedge
yeah, stuff like triple jab or extending jab are super underwhelming on hades spear and likely won't make a huge difference for the run
gaunt fiber
Triple jab :)
bright mango
I used to think triple was good
daring hedge
amir let us shotgun with triple jab
waxen relic
Sometimes i think if Hades had a hammer with the powerlevel of flurry jab people would tell you have to get that one for it.
bright mango
Pls amir
shy plinth
I'd settle for letting us shotgun with chain shot
Watching Tail anvil into chain shot+triple shot is heartbreaking
daring hedge
hidden chain shot modifier: shotguns at least three times harder to pull off
shy plinth
Alternatively make triple jab and serrated point work together
Give me 9 dash strikes
Let's go
gaunt fiber
270 base damage on GY, I'll take it thanks
true fable
plenty of damage from the attack
just get splitting bolt
rain sedge
tbh
daring hedge
listen
shy plinth
The point is to jab 3 times
shy plinth
Or I guess the three points
true fable
beat me to it
gaunt fiber
You jab one time
gaunt fiber
But you have triple benefit
true fable
its literally in the name
daring hedge
triple jab stinky
true fable
its three jabs
rain sedge
I'm surrounded by smartypants 😦
gaunt fiber
Well excuse me mr. Linguist
shy plinth
If you're surrounded by a bunch of people it sounds like massive spin would have been a better pick
gaunt fiber
You're incredible Hat
rain sedge
this is bullying mr bright
true fable
did you finally manage to fill in the blank?
daring hedge
bright craves violence
true fable
🔫
gaunt fiber
Bullying bad
rain sedge
indeed
bright aint the same once he became a successful strimmer
and a HC qualifier
gaunt fiber
That's for sure
true fable
is there any greater joy in life than making fun of people who play eris
gaunt fiber
Dude I got 5 viewers it was amazing
true fable
TRUE
daring hedge
good point
shy plinth
Unlike triple jab
daring hedge
HAT
rain sedge
is there any greater joy in life than making fun of people who play eris
sir you're a speedrunner playing eris is literally mandatory 😦
shy plinth
true fable
well
gaunt fiber
There's also hating on Guan Yu, but it looks like a hobby for you Bright
shy plinth
3 points yes, 0 good points
true fable
people already know GY bad
gaunt fiber
Why you hate so much then
true fable
what good would me making fun of it do
daring hedge
one point that was ok to begin with and two points with no point
gaunt fiber
Do you know that I actually refrain from requesting GY with your channel points
true fable
i appreciate that
shy plinth
Request Eris next time
true fable
but you can do that
daring hedge
how kind of you astaos
gaunt fiber
how kind of you astaos
Thanks
true fable
or arthur
gaunt fiber
Irony or not I'll take it
true fable
or chiron
shy plinth
What's an atmetbur
daring hedge
just like i enjoy playing hades spear
this one cut deep
true fable
theres no pressure to do well with bad aspects
im serious
if i die on hestia its my fault
shy plinth
It seriously seems like requesting Eris would be the best way to punish you
bronze viper
@daring hedge what's your favorite start for Hades spear boon wise? I've kind of just been rolling whatever but I might need slightly more than whatever to carry me through 40 lol.
daring hedge
<@164508146746785792> what's your favorite start for Hades spear boon wise? I've...
deadly strike for sure
true fable
tidal dash
shy plinth
High heat runner likes artemis boons? 
daring hedge
bright
bronze viper
Lol I figured. I've been high rolling Zeus but haven't gotten the full stupid yet.
true fable
can you do a 50 heat hades spear to close it out
also did you do poseidon and beo yet
i couldnt catch sat
daring hedge
bright i've done 52 hades spear without serrated or exploding
also no i didn't do those yet, sat was just rama 50 runs
shy plinth
If I recall Hades is one of your two favorite aspects
daring hedge
got a 3 streak at 50 from it
bright mango
Hades spear slaps
bronze viper
Wowow 50 heat streaks we are in different universes
bright mango
50 heat streaks lmao
bronze viper
Hades is definitely top 5 for me. I get a lot of Rama energy but it's so much worse lol.
true fable
only more 50 heat clears in a row than most players get ever
daring hedge
LOL ok sorry i didn't mean it like that
bright mango
Hades is top 3 for me
daring hedge
i like to apply the debuffs :)
bright mango
I think it’s extremely fun to use and decent
true fable
part true
shy plinth
Decent by spear standards or decent by general standards
daring hedge
spear with easy access to strong aoe that also boosts your damage for an eternity
i think it's good
bright mango
Got my first em4 and first spear 32 with it so I’m biased
true fable
fists with easy access to free CC and a strong enemy side debuff
i can just put words together
daring hedge
bright is evil today
shy plinth
Shield with easy access to ranged multi target debuff application
bronze viper
After 22/24x40 my next goal is 24xFO2 EM4
daring hedge
like in truth hades spear even after applying the debuff isn't insanely strong
gaunt fiber
It's 24
daring hedge
i think it's good, but not necessarily great
true fable
its a spear problem imo
daring hedge
yeah
bright mango
Its fun tho
bright mango
Unless you get good hammers
true fable
base kit is quite bad
daring hedge
zag spear is so good at demonstrating spear's problems all at once
bronze viper
Dash strike slaps. Rest of the kit is definitely lacking in slap
bronze viper
It does no damage lol but the raaaange
rain sedge
D:
true fable
rekt
gaunt fiber
🤖
bronze viper
LOL
daring hedge
extending jab for +40% damage only if you hit things offscreen poggers champion
rain sedge
proxy has censored the truth
gaunt fiber
At least you can use it :)
rain sedge
anyway
shy plinth
If they kept achilles at 200% would it be competitive
daring hedge
villain
shy plinth
The blades!
rain sedge
if we're being real for a sec
true fable
do you have footage
gaunt fiber
That's a cool one Schad
rain sedge
no I didn't record it
it's literally press special and dodge
the blade dash made it more interesting but yeah
true fable
also rama could fart on a paperclip and clear 40
daring hedge
lmao
gaunt fiber
it's literally press special and dodge
Does not sound too bad for me
shy plinth
How does that circumstance come up organically
bright mango
I mean you haven’t seen spear damage unless you’ve tried achilles+flurry
Insane dps
bronze viper
Relentless + Dio Rama is so chill.
rain sedge
How does that circumstance come up organically
I had to take ares for the curse of nausea, he came across quite often
shy plinth
I meant the paper clip farting
true fable
schad
rain sedge
the blade dash didn't even do much since mostly I'm on range
true fable
name an attack boon
true fable
are we putting money on this
daring hedge
would eris boost breaking wave explosions
rain sedge
let me check my prime status
bronze viper
Hunter Dash Eris
true fable
yeah
gaunt fiber
Oh no
daring hedge
hell yes
gaunt fiber
Poseidon will be decent I fear
shy plinth
Are we getting a mirage shot goin
true fable
i'll do it after work
rain sedge
If you do it with TD3
true fable
poggers
vital grove
So hey we still doing the barrel roll?
gaunt fiber
First try or did not happen?
bright mango
Its an infinite challenge
bronze viper
So hey we still doing the barrel roll?
We're too mortal
rain sedge
if you also do MEris and somehow make it work with those pacts I'll put it to 5 people you name
ping me when you strim
rain sedge
nah it's ok, I like bright strim
daring hedge
bright tempest strike gaming arc
true fable
i might not do it on strim because work
rain sedge
catch me hacking bablo's PC to lower his boon rarity
true fable
and other stuff
gaunt fiber
F
rain sedge
it's ok no rush
gaunt fiber
No footage
bronze viper
catch me hacking bablo's PC to lower his boon rarity
This might be the least efficient usage of time possible lmao.
rain sedge
it has to be insiduous
true fable
nah
rain sedge
when it's playoffs of bablo vs bright
he'll get common boons and no duos
it's my gameplay
true fable
we could also be chatting in the official discord of a game developer about a niche subcategory of the game with no prize koney
that seems like a pretty inefficient use of time
rain sedge
we could also be chatting in the official discord of a game developer about a ni...
stop hitting me with these truth bombs
I've wasted enough time here
when I had 9k messages I said I should spend less time here
let's see my messages now
13k ok not that bad
bronze viper
13k gang
daring hedge
15k not bad
bronze viper
Who knows how many more you'd have if Proxy wasn't slapping you down for meming too fast
true fable
i cant see on mobile but ive probably hit a disgusting number
probably
because
i type
like this
rain sedge
27k
true fable
yeah that reads
shy plinth
I think I found the winner
rain sedge
astaos is at 18k
gaunt fiber
Nice
shy plinth
Nyaanyaa is at 44k
true fable
i think only nyaanyaa has me beat yeah
gaunt fiber
Mods don't really exist you know
true fable
probably astaos?
gaunt fiber
I'm a 1.0 baby
true fable
yeah tail
shy plinth
I have not found anyone even close to being close to Nyaa
bronze viper
I'm Nighty Night
shy plinth
I have not found anyone that would exceed Bright and anyone else combined
true fable
im 1.0 as well
daring hedge
yeah murder death kill era
gaunt fiber
Let's grind then
rain sedge
1.3, switch boi here
daring hedge
asphodel as the final biome
gaunt fiber
Even if Asphodel was the last biome nowadays I could not clear it at 50 lmao
gaunt fiber
Charged skewer is cheating
true fable
youre playing with much less health than is normal
rain sedge
I can't figure out how to do it
gaunt fiber
Yeah it's so tough dude
rain sedge
like, I have no idea how you're supposed to do that without being tail/hadesprofessor/retrash
it's not only about "oh I could do X Y Z or get boon A B C"
it just looks so undoable
gaunt fiber
Quick spin and an attack boon could do it
bronze viper
Quick spin and TD -1
gaunt fiber
I would not got that far
rain sedge
I think in terms of secret aspect hammers, only lucifer got it right
daring hedge
hey repulse does stuff. in styx a little bit
rain sedge
it's not the best secret aspect, but the hammers are good
gaunt fiber
Oh I see
rain sedge
it changes your gameplay and provides a lot of variety plays
the rest are just kinda boring/unusable
rain sedge
I like it. It's a good crutch
gaunt fiber
Yeah but in terms of fun or alternative gameplay
daring hedge
i frequently forget beo's unique hammer exists
edgy arrow
lol same
gaunt fiber
Like a unique hammer should focus on the hidden aspect strength
daring hedge
arthur's is boring but makes hallowed ground just extremely worthwhile
bright mango
Rending claws is pretty good
daring hedge
also yes rending claws is very good
gaunt fiber
But it should not be mandatory either so it's hard to balance
true fable
laughs in lucifer
gaunt fiber
Yeah
I mean the game is not balanced around high heat anyway
But winged serpent... Sigh
edgy arrow
most of us aren’t really qualified to talk about game balance
gaunt fiber
I'm already using the bounce property of the spin without it so
edgy arrow
since we so rarely experience the game as it’s intended
gaunt fiber
Let me complain ok
edgy arrow
this isn’t really just a question of game balance tho
true fable
i am
edgy arrow
beo’s special hammer is just boring
true fable
hidden aspect hammers are boring imo
edgy arrow
ah yes
rain sedge
I dont even know what it does lol
daring hedge
take it once for prophecy and never again
daring hedge
wait are the hidden hammers even part of the prophecy
true fable
gives you damage reduction
daring hedge
nevermind
gaunt fiber
Lmao
true fable
you mean while doing 40 damage in a circular area
daring hedge
so true how could i leave that out
edgy arrow
flaring spin only run when
daring hedge
i mean
sure
family favorite affects it and so does PP
get big ol pp and lots of gods
edgy arrow
lmao do it i dare you
true fable
wait
daring hedge
dangerously close to considering it
true fable
if you get divine strike
vital grove
Do it with tempest attack
true fable
can the flares deflect
daring hedge
nope
true fable
pain
true fable
there goes my DR strat
vital grove
Wait so tempest attack Flare wouldn't knockback?
daring hedge
no
vital grove
F10
gaunt fiber
Yeah
vital grove
Spear can't have good things. ||flurry||
daring hedge
it has at least a little value at high heat for stripping dc hearts and killing numbskulls faster
that's mostly it though
edgy arrow
guess that’s more value than some hammers have
daring hedge
i'm happier about AP2 forcing it on me than like, extending jab
edgy arrow
fair
true fable
wait wait wait
edgy arrow
i would take extending given the choice, but i’ll accept i’m wrong there
true fable
my DR strat may be dead
edgy arrow
am bad at spear
daring hedge
extending is just too conditional, it feels similar to distant memory
true fable
this is either very very good or so bad that its good
acquire ME
acquire curse of vengeance, holy shield and vengeful mood
...
profit
daring hedge
📝
edgy arrow
bright dropping the galaxy brain strats
daring hedge
zag becomes automatic ME machine
edgy arrow
re: extending jab my logic was mostly that the extra range has some utility, even if you can’t consistently get the damage boost
more i think about it the more i realise you’re probably right tho
daring hedge
fair, i just find that the extra range is very rarely needed tbh
true fable
😦
edgy arrow
yeah i think that’s the problem
true fable
apparently holy shield can proc attack/special doom
and curse of vengeance can be procced by attack/special/cast/dash
but curse of vengeance cannot be procced by holy shield
i hate it here
bad game tbh
edgy arrow
why lmao
daring hedge
i can kinda see why even though it's sad
since the deflect part of holy shield isn't the part that does any damage
the damage from it just kinda happens
edgy arrow
if that’s the case, why can it proc attack/special then
true fable
thanks for your support in this matter
rain sedge
isnt curse of vengeance holy shield like... a flickering damage invulnerability shield every 3s?
I always thought it's conceptually good, but never got it where it matters
gaunt fiber
afaik as I know deflecting is not being impervious
I just typed
afaik as I know
we'll leave it as is and get mocked by the decent people that live down there
edgy arrow
it’s fine people say atm machine all the time
daring hedge
smh my head astaos
bronze viper
hey repulse does stuff. in styx a little bit
We do have video evidence of that one time Repulse did a uniquely useful game action for you lol.
Good time
gaunt fiber
lmao
edgy arrow
nice one
true fable
what was his build
wanton plover
he had dio attack and dem special but also ap2
true fable
very very interesting
its priv status
his build is just priv status + hangover
3:42 exit from tart
on chaos shield
solemn pulsar
Chill powerful at high heat
solar maple
Daily reminder that beo is a good high heat weapon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/811374997435318362/beo_54.png
gaunt fiber
Congrats!
solar maple
I also didn't play like an absolute idiot in the dad fight this time
so that was nice
55 pact with DC2 seems real bad on the timer
so I don't think I'll go for that
54 is enough for me for now I think
wanton plover
ddint even use sd 🧐
solar maple
It's a decent hammer tbh
I take it ~4th or so
maybe 3rd?
it's nice when you try to block but are a bit slow and get stunlocked to death. also basically 30% damage reduction permanently
daring hedge
especially with that hyper sprint lol
solar maple
lol
double sturdy combo
I basically save all rolls for core boons + DDs so I just take whatever hermes gives. hyper is pretty good even without the sturdy
rain sedge
Daily reminder that beo is a good high heat weapon https://cdn.discordapp.com/at...
christ on a bike
congrats pseudo!!
solar maple
daring hedge
no yeah hyper is always good to see at high heat
rain sedge
didn't lose SD btw
solar maple
I think that's my first no SD no acorn em4 fight
solar maple
I took ~200 damage
solar maple
snow burst is insane
rain sedge
does ravenous will work with beo? how does it work?