#h1-high-heat-strategies

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daring hedge
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so it doesn't take a million years

gaunt fiber
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Don't flex, me too

mossy zinc
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I've yet to see anyone reliably no-hit Flame Wheel chambers. It's no coincidence that people meme that Flame Wheels ruin Erebus attempts.

daring hedge
mossy zinc
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Yes, but you don't count.

edgy arrow
sly remnant
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i'll take flamewheels

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over effin linker anything

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in erebus

bronze viper
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I would take Flamewheels over Chariots any day. I lose life to FLamewheels but I lose runs to Chariots

daring hedge
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linker tartarus pests are hilarious on HL5 PL

mossy zinc
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Linker is even worse than Flame Wheels, for sure.

rain sedge
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does anyone have an enemy difficulty table, and calculation of what's the difficulty base threshold for each room/chamber number?

daring hedge
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you get melted periodically at random

sly remnant
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i hate tough linkers the most

mossy zinc
sly remnant
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because i can't suicide to kill the partner

bronze viper
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Linker's worst quality is that it makes me feel like an idiot for losing health to it, since it's (usually) static, unless it's Shifter

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The mental damage is real

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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Well you don't always realize you're getting hit

daring hedge
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linker bloodless leaping over you and taking the laser across your body

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smile

mossy zinc
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Not exactly a table, but it has difficulty values for everything straight from the game.

rain sedge
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which file is this?

mossy zinc
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lol

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Should be one of the EnemySomething ones.

sly remnant
rain sedge
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thanks tyler

sly remnant
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speedrunners are good

mossy zinc
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Whose spreadsheet is that?

gaunt fiber
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Oh I used that one

sly remnant
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its ello's i think

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crap ton of good info here

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chamber layout spawn patterns

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will save your life

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i'll be doing any heat for awhile and religiously using this

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as its incredibly applicable for high heat too

gaunt fiber
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Small circle small foe

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Enough for me

edgy arrow
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oh neat

daring hedge
shy gulch
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lmao

sly remnant
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worth a lot of points tho envyKappa

rain sedge
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oh boy

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asterius miniboss

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wanna bet whether my run ends here or not?

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only 1 hammer too, and that's rocket bomb

daring hedge
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do you have tooth

rain sedge
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still have the bablo tooth yea

sly remnant
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lmao burn flingers are BloodlessPitcher

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why is mega gorgon "HitAndRun"

rain sedge
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10hp left

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great, chariot took tooth off

sly remnant
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thats what its there for

wanton plover
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took a BITE outta you haha

waxen relic
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I've always wondered why there's no giant Chariot as 3rd Miniboss

rain sedge
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chamber 34 trial. athena and aphrodite

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take it for the DD or nah

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48 heat

sly remnant
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whats the timer at

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have you seen than/fountain

rain sedge
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it's at eris O'clock

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no and no

sly remnant
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what the other door

rain sedge
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just gold

mossy zinc
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I guess they wanted a "hit-and-run kind of miniboss", and the Megagorgon design came afterwards.

sly remnant
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gold is useless

rain sedge
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AP1 btw, have 1 roll

sly remnant
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trial

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gold bad

rain sedge
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I'm wondering if I'll die in trial

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but ok

sly remnant
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since i assume CF2

mossy zinc
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Take the trial for Lady Aphrodite.

rain sedge
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got the DD thanks

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athena really just spawned speeder chariots on me

gaunt fiber
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Fast boyo

rain sedge
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that lady is vindictive a f

sly remnant
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the two trial rooms i remember in elysium have 2 dashable gaps iirc

bronze viper
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TFW Athena protects a shade of a Greatshield

rain sedge
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@daring hedge attack speed on eris is basically useless if you don't have delta chamber, correct?

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unless you get epic?

mossy zinc
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What if you're the Greatshield?

agile obsidian
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I tried a mirrorless and boonless run but died to hades at 2nd stage

mossy zinc
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Not useless, but it doesn't do anything for Reload speed afaik.

bronze viper
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Lol, I'm sure the Underworld Security discord has lots of memes of Zagreus with busted boons/weapons

sly remnant
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dio beo at anything less than 41 heat

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he just

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shot

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and i died

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i didn't even have time to do anything

bronze viper
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Lord Hades pls nerf

sly remnant
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i bet the shades have memes

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about being tired of seeing eris

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AND THEN HE KILLED THIS GIANT BONE HYDRA IN LIKE 2 SECONDS

rain sedge
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what is this discord

wanton plover
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a beautiful one

sly remnant
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and then he just stood in lava because his "time wasn't fast enough"

mossy zinc
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That poor Pest in chamber 1.

gaunt fiber
sly remnant
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yea he had fully loaded and everything out of tartarus at 50 heat

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it didn't make sense to me

rain sedge
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WOOOOW

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you can lose DD at the exact same time

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dad dies

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I wonder what happens if it's not a DD but your life

mossy zinc
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You lose.

sly remnant
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yep

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happened to me with furies once

mossy zinc
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That's what I've heard. Hasn't happened to me.

sly remnant
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yep

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it caused problems when it happened too

gaunt fiber
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The zoom effect tho

sly remnant
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but if the game determines you die at the same time of furies

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you dead

rain sedge
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imagine the salt

sly remnant
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not sure how hades works

rain sedge
sly remnant
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but i imagine its the same

rain sedge
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@edgy arrow you're next

mossy zinc
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Congratulations!

gaunt fiber
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Congrats Schad

mossy zinc
sly remnant
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decent time too

daring hedge
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nice

sly remnant
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nice job schad

daring hedge
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yeah that time is solid

true fable
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flurry fire

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the superior attack hammer

daring hedge
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lol

true fable
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nice job schad

vital grove
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Good job schad but that looks like Eris to me, where chiron

sly remnant
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why do people like chiron

bronze viper
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If only Chiron got Rocket bombs

true fable
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coronacht, aspect of eris

mossy zinc
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Silly. Schad doesn't know how to play Chiron.

sly remnant
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i'm pretty sure

mossy zinc
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No.

sly remnant
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a monkey with brain damage

rain sedge
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thanks2

sly remnant
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can play chiron

rain sedge
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so a couple of weird things happened

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  1. I didn't know that you can get 2 hammers in elysium
mossy zinc
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@sly remnant yeah, but what about Schad, though.

gaunt fiber
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Be kind

mossy zinc
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m just asking a question.

rain sedge
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  1. that gap strat for the chariot is not consistent
sly remnant
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yea mods ban her

gaunt fiber
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Be

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Kind

bronze viper
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None of us are monkeys with brain damage (is that presumptuous) so none of us have that advantage. We just had to git gud to play Chiron

rain sedge
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I want a save where the next room is chariot rooms. Can I do that?

mossy zinc
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Y'all hating on me for trying to learn. squirtooh

rain sedge
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is that even moddable/possible?

rain sedge
mossy zinc
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You can just back up a temp save in a Chariot chamber similar to how we make practice saves for boss fights.

sly remnant
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you could do it with door predictor mod and create a save

bronze viper
rain sedge
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but can you have that temp save AFTER you entered the chamber?

sly remnant
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ye just quit out

gaunt fiber
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Sure

sly remnant
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it saves at the beginning of the room

rain sedge
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I see, thanks

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I think at 56 I need to grind a couple enemies to get through

mossy zinc
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Yes, you should back up practice saves once you've entered the chamber, replace a perm save with the temp save, then you can just keep giving up and replay the chamber as many times as you like.

rain sedge
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because I don't think dad is the problem anymore, especially with delta chamber

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It's just do it for longer, with less boons

mossy zinc
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Why learn when you can avoid.

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Strategy.

gaunt fiber
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Room training

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Next level strategy

sly remnant
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also i don't know if it still works

mossy zinc
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I've done that with BP2 combos that give me trouble.

sly remnant
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but isnt there a boss rush mod

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@solemn pulsar you are the only person i feel comfortably pinging about this

rain sedge
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"boss rush mod"?

mossy zinc
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Who are persons you don't feel comfortable pinging about it?

sly remnant
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ello gets pinged enough

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i don't need to add on top of it

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also i like

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have actually interacting with cgull in meaningful ways

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so its not just

bronze viper
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I made a save for Speeder Shifter Chariots and decided that the best way to combat it is to just not get the room in the future

sly remnant
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summoning someone who i barely know to answer my questions

sullen minnow
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You can force a “boss rush” using the codex mod

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Not a dedicated mode but you can port straight to boss rooms using it

sly remnant
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ye thats what i meant

edgy arrow
sly remnant
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i forgot it was built into the codex

edgy arrow
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also congrats!

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wait that’s not chiron

sly remnant
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chiron stinky

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altho real talk

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i'm p sure splash dash is correct

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on high heat chiron

mossy zinc
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There have only been 14 ellomenop pings in this server—10 of them by me. dusa

daring hedge
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or divine dash deadly reversal squirtyay

edgy arrow
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dio special manages JS3 okayish

sly remnant
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yea but divine dash doesn't get me out of tartarus

shy plinth
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You gotta get brilliant riposte too

sly remnant
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hat

shy plinth
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DDPS

sly remnant
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don't join them

shy plinth
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Deflect Damage Per Second

mossy zinc
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pew pew gets you out of Tartarus.

daring hedge
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you don't have to get dash first tyler

sly remnant
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ye but then i have to use a bow

edgy arrow
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has a deflect only run been done

sly remnant
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i can't use bow

mossy zinc
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pew pew pew

edgy arrow
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has to have been ig

daring hedge
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lol

sly remnant
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the only bow i use

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is big cannon

shy plinth
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I assume you mean Hera

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Though Rama qualifies

edgy arrow
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hera is weird beowulf

daring hedge
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charged shot minotaur rush beo

edgy arrow
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i can understand hera

sly remnant
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tail knows

shy plinth
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Hah

mossy zinc
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Hey, @daring hedge.

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@daring hedge.

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@daring hedge, listen. dusa

daring hedge
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thanks for this

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thank you

mossy zinc
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@daring hedge, do a barrel roll! dusa

shy plinth
wanton plover
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that is so cute

mossy zinc
# shy plinth https://tenor.com/usBf.gif

My brother called me navi one time when we were going somewhere because I had Google Maps open the whole way, so he had to listen to me say that for the next 20 minutes.

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Good times.

shy plinth
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Good times for whom

mossy zinc
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@honest kernel I see you lurking. squirtnya

true fable
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i love mino rush

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you get to do a ton of damage next year

sly remnant
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mino sudden rush

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is really the only time its viable

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outside of memes

honest kernel
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Mino sudden rush was my 57 heat clear lol

sly remnant
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arti attack too yea?

honest kernel
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Nope

edgy arrow
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i get mino rush because +500% big number and then i’m too impatient to actually wait long enough for it to ever do anything

honest kernel
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In fact, by hades, no attack

mossy zinc
daring hedge
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mino shot is kind of budget rama

sly remnant
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its also weird

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with beo

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since its not your main damage source

daring hedge
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yeah

mossy zinc
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RI3 Beowulf has no main damage source.

honest kernel
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Takes too long to charge without sudden, yeah

mossy zinc
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In fact, it has no damage source at all. squirtmeh

sly remnant
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thats correct nyaanyaa

daring hedge
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charged flight dusa

edgy arrow
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she’s not wrong but i’d still rather play RI3 beowulf than several other aspects i could mention

mossy zinc
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Let me find out @daring hedge has been playing on pre-1.0 this whole time.

daring hedge
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clearly

mossy zinc
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Charged Flight doesn't exist anymore, Tailesque.

shy plinth
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Can't wait to see the 120 heat barrel roll

mossy zinc
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It's dead.

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Dead. squirtooh

daring hedge
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lol

gaunt fiber
sly remnant
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you scared me

edgy arrow
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you know i’m like, the person with the bad beo pacts right

waxen relic
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am i supposed to bring my gloriuosly cursed 40 heat beo up right now?

edgy arrow
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i eat CF2 beo for breakfast

shy plinth
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With chaos eggs?

edgy arrow
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okay actually no atticor’s got even me beat

waxen relic
edgy arrow
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^

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look upon this man’s work of art and quail

daring hedge
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LOL the HL1

honest kernel
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That one level of HL

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lmao

gaunt fiber
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Same energy as HL4

daring hedge
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true

waxen relic
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what can i say HL1 makes you die slower

mossy zinc
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Yeah, but TD2. No damage for TD3 is my problem.

shy plinth
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TD2 was cutting it close apparently

daring hedge
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strangely

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even with that insane special setup

edgy arrow
waxen relic
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it was a 5 sack

edgy arrow
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barely, admittedly

waxen relic
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iirc

daring hedge
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classic

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also i love how you don't even have dark regeneration activated; no darkness in it

edgy arrow
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holy crap i just looked at that pact again

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i forgot you did AP2 as well

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okay that actually did scare me

mossy zinc
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I still need to get around to doing RI4 TD3 32 with shield to finish all weapons.

waxen relic
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did you do fists?

mossy zinc
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Don't want to take TD3 for that one weapon.

shy plinth
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Use chaos shield

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The forgotten weapon

mossy zinc
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I did Malphon back in Blood Price. Might redo it when I did the others.

edgy arrow
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chaos shield isn’t fast

vital grove
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Chaos shield sucks

shy plinth
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Why do you think I'm asking her to use it

edgy arrow
vital grove
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Chaos shield is +5 heat

edgy arrow
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when the heat’s low enough to do TD2

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it’s soooo safe

mossy zinc
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I got close with Chaos Aspect before. Don't remember if I timed out to Hades or just died, @gaunt fiber might remember.

vital grove
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I always feel like it doesn't do any damage

edgy arrow
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it does not

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neither does anything else do damage to you

mossy zinc
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I think I streamed that one.

edgy arrow
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was that TD3 Nyaanyaa?

mossy zinc
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Yes.

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Heartbreak Flourish.

edgy arrow
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oh nice

gaunt fiber
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Yeah I remember the TD struggle

rain sedge
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what is this abomination

mossy zinc
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Probably with some Flourish from Master Chaos.

gaunt fiber
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I want to play but I'm tired, I wonder how bad it can get

vital grove
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You could die in chamber 1

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I think that's as bad as it can go

mossy zinc
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Can't get worse than dying in Tartarus.

gaunt fiber
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It's possible Phoenix actually

edgy arrow
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you could die to skelly

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that’d be pretty embarrassing

gaunt fiber
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BP thug feat 25hp

vital grove
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Seeker cloner witch chamber 1 possible?

edgy arrow
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yup

gaunt fiber
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I've seen cloners for sure

bronze viper
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I have definitely died to cloner witches in room 1 lol

gaunt fiber
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lmao

edgy arrow
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pretty sure i had that recently actually

vital grove
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They float off the pathway and bombard your 5 guan Yu hp

mossy zinc
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I don't think you can get without JS in chamber 1.

gaunt fiber
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I think chamber 2 is my PB to die

bronze viper
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My absolute least favorite is Super Elite Witch in Erebus room 2. Not sure why I see it more often in that room than any other Erebus

mossy zinc
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Cloner has a 5x difficulty modifier.

gaunt fiber
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BP witches with Serrated point

edgy arrow
rain sedge
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alright now that barrel roll is out of the way

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it's time to grind 56

gaunt fiber
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you stream?

rain sedge
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it can't be that hard right

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COPIUM

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yea I'll stream, it's the easiest way to record

gaunt fiber
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now I mean?

rain sedge
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yea

gaunt fiber
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Nice

sly remnant
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i respect @waxen relic for that clear

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i do not think i could have cleared with that

gaunt fiber
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You can't really tell

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I feel like people tend to overestimate some pact conditions

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without trying them

edgy arrow
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i’m not sure it’s possible to overestimate AP2 on beowulf

sly remnant
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^

gaunt fiber
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AP2 is luck

edgy arrow
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i genuinely do believe people overestimate RI4 on it tho

gaunt fiber
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^

sly remnant
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i actually agree with you

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but you need chaos to cooperate

edgy arrow
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it’s really bad sure, but it’s not like it deletes the aspect completely

gaunt fiber
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I tried to go fast with GY without a mirror

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Like FO2 RI4

sly remnant
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i played the chaos cast gamble once for high heat

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i don't feel like doing it again

gaunt fiber
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18 min run

sly remnant
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and RI4 beo cast gamble

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is opposite of fun

edgy arrow
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if i wanted to push RI4 beo above 32 i’d probably do TD2

waxen relic
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Turning off HL and FO makes the game easy in some weird ways. I'd never recommend it but it's somthing you can try out for a time.

edgy arrow
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because yeah as you say; you basically need casts to go fast properly

sly remnant
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yea

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beo is actually a very slow weapon

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without casts

edgy arrow
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indeed

sly remnant
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local genius discovers cast weapon bad without casts

edgy arrow
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lol

waxen relic
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speaking of which RI4 Achilles just got done uploading. Just need YT to do it's thing now, but i'll submit it already

sly remnant
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Pog

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achilles is very versatile

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because you can do lightning strike to supplement your AoE

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if beo had built in AoE

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god can you imagine

edgy arrow
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he did drunken strike curse of nausea

sly remnant
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interesting

edgy arrow
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with serrated point

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which i would never have thought of but i don’t really know anything about spears lol

sly remnant
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i like the doom a lot

waxen relic
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drunken let's me run away and deal damage

sly remnant
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lol yea its safe

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I feel like HL5 is better with that build than BP2

waxen relic
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and i didn't get flurry so i settled for serrated, which has good synergy with achilles

sly remnant
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i think until extreme heats or insane speedruns

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serrated is perfectly acceptable

gaunt fiber
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I got GY40 serrated drunken strike

edgy arrow
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not for me i would die

gaunt fiber
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My damage was insane

edgy arrow
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but that’s a me problem

true fable
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serrated is pretty safe imo

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just dont press the attack right after the dash

sly remnant
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yea the window is super generous

waxen relic
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i did almost die from not having experience serrated vs dad

sly remnant
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one dash dad is hard too

edgy arrow
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man i should do some more mirrorless stuff

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it’s actually really fun

sly remnant
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i'll be playing any heat for the next week

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to work on my spawn manips

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i know the general idea

gaunt fiber
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I heard that it's actually Lili that makes enemies spawn

sly remnant
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but knowing the ins and outs of every room will help at speed and high heat

vital grove
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You know

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I found out shackle Beo isn't even bad lol

sly remnant
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its fine until you need AoE

vital grove
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Everything you do hits like a truck

true fable
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itd be better if you could pom base cast

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🧠

sly remnant
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lmao

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actually true

true fable
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but yeah less terrible than expected

sly remnant
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i played with shacklewulf for awhile

edgy arrow
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anyone done any boonless beo

true fable
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i have

edgy arrow
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sounds kind of fun/horrible

gaunt fiber
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Free 21 Eury 22

true fable
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ive done 32 boonless beo

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its sort of whatever

gaunt fiber
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This is Schad gaming

edgy arrow
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oh nice

vital grove
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I did it for Tartarus once then found a cast, removed shackle and didn't have fun in Asphodel at all

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Crush is weird on beo

true fable
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?

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passion flare?

vital grove
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Yes

edgy arrow
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passion flare good

vital grove
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Seems a weird hit box

true fable
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its a pretty consistent option

sly remnant
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passion flare good

true fable
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hits like a truck

edgy arrow
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it was literally half the meta pre flood flare

sly remnant
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passion flare is just more high-rolly

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than flood flare

edgy arrow
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yeah

vital grove
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Does blown kiss exist for beo

edgy arrow
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and the extra aoe is really nice on flood

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no

sly remnant
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you are praying the game does not screw you over on enemy spawns

edgy arrow
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it’s not crush shot

sly remnant
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with passion flare

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but for bosses

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passion flare is actually better

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unless you have like epic wave pounding

edgy arrow
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except lernie

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but yeah

sly remnant
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i'll say that i think passion flare is harder to pilot

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than flood flare

vital grove
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Are you supposed to stop charge right on top of your target or go through or in front

sly remnant
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think like

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what weapon do you play a lot

mossy zinc
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Passion Flare, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air is such a good build, though.

sly remnant
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oh its insane

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passion flare is v good

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it just has the enemy problem

edgy arrow
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i used to use it almost exclusively

sly remnant
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and bosses aren't your struggle with beo

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there was a reason when i was doing my 50 i almost switched to flood flare

edgy arrow
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if blown kiss did exist for beo then that’d be interesting

sly remnant
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its rooms you care about

mossy zinc
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It's just super safe and still very strong for that.

sly remnant
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if blown kiss existed passion flare beo would be the best bar none

edgy arrow
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but yeah probably

sly remnant
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once in a random 40 i swapped my flood flare for passion flare in styx

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but i would never do that until like...endshop elysium

gaunt fiber
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My only beo clear is a Heartbreak Flourish start squirtyay

mossy zinc
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Just +100% AOE. dusa

sly remnant
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yea passion flare is still v good

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it just doesn't solve beo's biggest problem at high heat

edgy arrow
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beo’s biggest problem at high heat is not having boons

mossy zinc
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Beowulf's biggest problem at high heat is @daring hedge.

solemn pulsar
mossy zinc
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No matter what you do, he'll always do it at +1 Heat. squirtooh

dire steppe
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beo's biggest problem at high heat is tyler

sly remnant
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true

gaunt fiber
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Poor Beo

daring hedge
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lol i've never even done high heat beo

dire steppe
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bad beo

mossy zinc
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I didn't say you'd use Beowulf.

sly remnant
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ye but aspects shouldn't really be compared to each other

mossy zinc
#

But he'll do it mirrorless.

#

"See? I used a handicap to make it fair."

edgy arrow
sly remnant
#

i mean

#

i think thats why

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

I know how

sly remnant
#

we have aspects lists

#

comparing aspects to each other is pointless

gaunt fiber
#

"Lmao GY so bad" "I mean just ignore attack on Rama"

edgy arrow
#

lmao

pseudo girder
#

ignore attack on rama

gaunt fiber
#

It's enough fuel for 2 years imo

north dove
#

cast beo is so bad at high heat :/ I learned last week that you don't get any iframes on your dash while the flare animation is playing

pseudo girder
#

One question:

north dove
#

like why

pseudo girder
#

W H Y?

gaunt fiber
#

I don't know Mr. Poke

sly remnant
#

wait what do you mean retrash

edgy arrow
#

i’ve never heard this before in my life

#

surely i should’ve noticed this

north dove
#

dashing after releasing your casts will always get you hit

#

tested extensively against em4

#

even with +3 dashes

sly remnant
#

mmmmm maybe i just naturally compensate for it

edgy arrow
#

...huh

sly remnant
#

but i've never noticed that

edgy arrow
#

imma have to pay more attention to what i’m doing

north dove
#

I can try posting a vid later

sly remnant
#

i mean i believe you

edgy arrow
#

i feel like i should be taking damage left and right from this

#

yeah for sure if you say that’s what’s happening i’m sure it is

sly remnant
#

i probably just naturally compensate for it with bullrush timings

north dove
#

yeah chaining bullrushes probably just makes it seem like it's not happening

sly remnant
#

cuz i know i had issues with ending a bullrush inside a butterfly ball since that is where the butterflies originate

#

so i always bullrush slightly to the side

#

same with tis touhou circles

edgy arrow
#

now you mention it

sly remnant
#

oh god compensating for that with out mouse and keyboard would be a nightmare

edgy arrow
#

i think i did have a couple of situations recently where i got hit somehow after a bull rush and didn’t know why

#

maybe that was this?

mossy zinc
#

@gaunt fiber wHy Is GuAn Yu So BaD? uNpLaYaBlE. ron

edgy arrow
#

can’t remember the exact context

sly remnant
#

yea i think i just compensate for it with mouse and keyboard

edgy arrow
#

i definitely bull rush slightly to the side mostly as well

#

which should definitely help

#

but yeah that’s interesting

gaunt fiber
wanton plover
#

watching hades professor do hera

sly remnant
#

ye its most notable with tis touhou and butterfly ball

wanton plover
#

he uses shackles and stygian soul

edgy arrow
#

i’ll definitely be watching what i’m just randomly doing like a hawk from now on

mossy zinc
sly remnant
#

i just never linked two and two together that the reason i do it is because i lose i frames

edgy arrow
gaunt fiber
#

I mean

shy plinth
#

I tried to watch a bunch of vods on youtube of the hades fight on beo

edgy arrow
#

either way top tier advice

gaunt fiber
#

I don't say it like that

shy plinth
#

But everyone has either athena dash or charged shot

north dove
#

lol

sly remnant
#

there is my 50 clear

#

lemme watch it

gaunt fiber
shy plinth
#

There were a few times where you took damage at the end where it looked like you were trying to dash but got hit by a sweep coming out of the rush

#

But I don't see dash anim

true fable
#

i thibk i forced the dash

shy plinth
#

Will have to watch closely

true fable
#

not sure

gaunt fiber
#

The louts are so drunk

shy plinth
#

@true fable I was watching your speedrun

true fable
#

hat im not sure how useful my clear is

shy plinth
#

But athena dash

true fable
#

yeah

shy plinth
#

There were a few points where you didn't get hit but I do think deflected popped up

sly remnant
#

still got acorn in phase 2 part 2

#

what a god

#

still got acorn in phase 3

#

what a god

#

ok its gone

true fable
#

lol

sly remnant
#

oh yea

#

watching this

#

i need to remember the beo hades wreck pit

#

i can kinda see what retrash is talking about

north dove
#

yeah you got hit mid-dash a few times in phase 3

mossy zinc
#

Imagine calling yourself Tyler "King". Cringe. dusa

shy plinth
#

It's very subtle

sly remnant
#

ye thats true

#

my ancestors super cringe

north dove
#

but I can't tell if that was a dash attack because of the video quality zaglol

sly remnant
#

LMAO

#

nah i can see what you mean retrash

mossy zinc
sly remnant
#

its probably way more pronounced on flood flare because of how the animation plays

#

but yea i just naturally compensate for it i think

#

most of the time

shy plinth
#

I guess there's meant to be a specific period after you drop the flare where you can get hit

#

Probs overrides iframes

sly remnant
#

its gotta be small

shy plinth
#

Yeah we're talking fractions of a second

sly remnant
#

because the adjustment on tis shotgun

#

is very minute

#

but it is something i consciously think about

#

glad we watched this

#

so i can remember to keep in him in the wreck pit

#

for the majority of the fight

shy plinth
#

Also glad that we got to bask in the glory of the clear of the King

sly remnant
#

LMAO

#

i guess everyone knows what k stands for now

shy plinth
#

I always thought of it as tyler hunter killer

#

Like HK47

rain sedge
#

tyler

sly remnant
#

oh thats bad ass

rain sedge
#

do you really put your real name and date of birth on this channel

sly remnant
#

lets retroactively change it to that

rain sedge
#

sir

shy plinth
#

Deal

sly remnant
#

bruh no one watches my channel

#

and i'm moving everything to my twitch anyways

#

so i dont' have quality of recordings like that

gaunt fiber
#

what Tyler's name is Tyler

mossy zinc
#

A King in name only.

#

Not like I, the Queen of Hades. 👸🏽

sly remnant
#

ye true

#

grats

rain sedge
#

does hadesprofessor know about the barrel roll thingy

sly remnant
#

god my 50 clear was 2+ months ago

#

i'm washed up

mossy zinc
#

Thank you, peasant. 👸🏽

rain sedge
#

haelian is trying to barrel roll me

#

this is gonna be fun

agile obsidian
#

Is he streaming rn?

rain sedge
#

yep

agile obsidian
#

I gotta see this

rain sedge
#

49 heat is very inconsistent tho, he's gonna do it with chaos too

shy gulch
#

oh is he getting in on the barrel roll challenge?

agile obsidian
#

Oop he started

rain sedge
#

this chaos shield gameplay is 10x smoother than when I did it

bronze viper
#

He's been chaos shielding for a while lmao, makes sense

#

What in the actual f. He got to Tisiphone at 4 minutes is he even human?

rain sedge
#

than + chaos room

bronze viper
#

ah

rain sedge
#

I wonder. is it even worth doing what he's doing here?

#

trying to get chaos 5x throw?

#

only 1 can hit tis right

#

like you can't proc it more than once

sly remnant
#

just lightning once

#

but the base damage from the shields will all count

bronze viper
#

They also hit on the return, sometimes more than once if the timings are off

green citrus
#

49 heat unfun

#

I was trying as well lol

rain sedge
#

if haelian barrel rolls me in 1 try I'd be quite mad

vital grove
#

You telling me he took ONE MINUTE to reach Furies chamber with chaos shield?

sly remnant
#

lol no

gaunt fiber
#

No one minute left

vital grove
#

Oh

#

Okay

sly remnant
#

also isn't 4 minute furies a little on the slow side?

#

even for high heat

vital grove
#

It is for some aspects

green citrus
#

Eh with chaos?

#

Probably not

rain sedge
#

it's 49 heat tyler

#

even on eris that's relatively average for me

shy gulch
#

yeah chaos is pretty slow

#

thats not too surprising for me

bronze viper
#

Lmao with Chaos? No that's pretty much bordering on breaking the sound barrier

shy gulch
#

lmfao

vital grove
#

He has almost 2 minutes out of Asph

true fable
#

depends on hammer

#

what's his hammer?

#

if he has charged shot or explosive return hes moving a lil slow IMO

bronze viper
#

7 minute Elysium followed by 5 minute Styx is going to be cutting it super close...

gaunt fiber
#

charged shot

vital grove
#

I saw charged shot in chat

rain sedge
#

this is a very ugly first room

vital grove
#

Y3s

gaunt fiber
#

First Ely room is so random

true fable
#

he should be going a bit faster with charged shot imo

bronze viper
#

50 seconds first room of Elysium. RIPPPPPP

green citrus
#

EM4?

sly remnant
#

elysium is such a roulette machine

gaunt fiber
#

EM3

sly remnant
#

if its em3

green citrus
#

Damn EM3 and AP1

rain sedge
#

chaos is a pretty good EM4 weapon, no?

sly remnant
#

he should be fine with 2 sac and minimum time

rain sedge
#

comparatively

green citrus
#

His time will be tight

sly remnant
#

shield is better than most

#

but chaos damage is

#

not great

green citrus
#

DC2 also, he needs free rooms

sly remnant
#

ew

#

what did he take dc2

rain sedge
#

this first 2 rooms are ugly

#

ok it's a fountain

gaunt fiber
#

He needs the secret ely skip

rain sedge
#

INSTANT PUNISH

sly remnant
#

dude needs to call up ananke

rain sedge
#

oh my god

gaunt fiber
#

oof

#

Schad how do you deal with Asterius

rain sedge
#

cry mostly

gaunt fiber
#

yeah

sly remnant
#

bablo tooth

rain sedge
#

I'm bad with him

#

charged shot sudden rush though

#

this is almost as good as it gets right

bronze viper
#

Really? It's pretty easy to shield it in my experience

rain sedge
#

only explosive return is better

true fable
#

empowering is interesting

sly remnant
#

shield is better than most

#

but

#

doing it in a reasonable time is

#

monkaS

#

with chaos shield

bronze viper
#

hoo boy this room

rain sedge
#

his room luck is really bad

#

his boon and hammer luck is above average

gaunt fiber
#

Guys he has a twitch chat

rain sedge
#

twitch chat is like a football stadium

#

this is like commentator's room

gaunt fiber
#

Fair

green citrus
bronze viper
#

Lol this isn't really off topic tbf, we're discussing his run from a high heat strategic standpoint

sly remnant
#

also i'm not watching so i appreciate the play by play

gaunt fiber
bronze viper
#

All of our hands are red

green citrus
#

I mean we were discussing reaction time and typing speed yesterday

#

LUL

gaunt fiber
#

Off topic is the blood in our veins

rain sedge
#

I feel like

sly remnant
#

TELL ME WHATS HAPPENING

rain sedge
#

that tidal dash wasnt the best choice

green citrus
#

He's going into 33

rain sedge
#

but he does play with shield

sly remnant
#

when is tidal dash bad

gaunt fiber
#

Heroes time out anyway right

rain sedge
#

so its not like he need that divine dash

green citrus
#

He wants divine @sly remnant

sly remnant
#

divine dash stinky

green citrus
#

yikes used tooth I missed that

#

This is a yikers

gaunt fiber
#

How can people tell GY is bad when Chaos exists

bronze viper
#

Every time I use a companion in Elysium I'm pretty much guaranteed to eat blue hearts

#

Because timer is Chaos' only weakness

green citrus
#

He has less than 40 seconds to kill heroes lol

sly remnant
#

does he have patty

green citrus
#

nope

bronze viper
#

Nope

green citrus
#

He boutta rip

sly remnant
#

ok this is a rip

shy gulch
#

F

bronze viper
#

At least he has some damage on the husbandos

gaunt fiber
#

Schad is just too hot

rain sedge
#

his room RNG is too bad

#

with better RNG he'll do it

gaunt fiber
#

2 point of views here

#

btw

#

Opinions on rupture in high heat

#

especially for this fight?

green citrus
#

he ded

sly remnant
#

rupture is solid at high heat

rain sedge
#

at the point I can get rupture and a usable poseidon boon at 50+

#

I'm super happy

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah I guess

sly remnant
#

its not like

gaunt fiber
sly remnant
#

OH MY GOD RUPTURE WE CANT LOSE

#

but it does things

gaunt fiber
#

sure

bronze viper
#

I really like rupture

true fable
#

its the best DoT

bronze viper
#

It does lots of damage and gives buffer for UC

#

What more could you want

gaunt fiber
#

E R I S

green citrus
#

Honestly Haelian's experience with EM4 he should just do it

true fable
#

agreed ledger

rain sedge
#

oh dear

#

I'm gonna be watching this closely

bronze viper
#

The only time it hurts to sell it is with Eris

daring hedge
#

rupture+PP+hunter's mark is a fun non-dio crit machine

gaunt fiber
#

I like how Theseus kills himself with it

bronze viper
#

Surely EM4 is worth 8 minutes

gaunt fiber
#

He stole the strats from Schad

#

would have gone for ereb health

bronze viper
#

Even my garbage butt can do EM4 FO2 with Chaos.

green citrus
#

He saves a lot of time using EM4 though because he can turn DC and other stuff off

gaunt fiber
#

EM4 should be TD2 tho right

bronze viper
#

Yes + some random other thing

rain sedge
#

wow this is good eris gameplay

sly remnant
#

eris em4

#

is definitely the strat

green citrus
#

Eh, that's what I'm saying. I think you could still pull it off TD3 because of timesave.

sly remnant
#

just get cluster rockets 😉

green citrus
#

He's running AP1 so build is still highly viable

sly remnant
#

my man astaos

#

got charged skewer divine dash on ap2

#

ap2 is free heat

gaunt fiber
#

I like how people are concerned with max health

green citrus
#

Looooll

gaunt fiber
bronze viper
#

I take back what I said about EM4 vs. TD2. I thought this was Chaos being run. TD3 is fine on ERis

gaunt fiber
#

A good player is someone that get good boons nothing more

rain sedge
#

he's playing it very close huh

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah for Tartarus

sly remnant
#

eris is a melee weapon

gaunt fiber
#

let's see for the rest of the run especially bosses

#

You're a melee dude too Schad

rain sedge
#

this is pretty ideal boon setup for a 49

gaunt fiber
#

AP2 yeah

#

1*

rain sedge
#

AP1

#

I do think the demeter call is a mistake though

gaunt fiber
#

brain not functionning

rain sedge
#

frozen touch is like, the second best demeter boon

bronze viper
#

Arguing about ranking Demeter boons is like arguing what's the best Sword hammer lmao

rain sedge
#

dedge?

gaunt fiber
#

well yeah

#

I don't get it Ledger lol

bronze viper
#

I refuse to believe it's a hammer. It's just part of the sword

rain sedge
#

how is he playing this confidently

#

he's making some very risky moves in my casual eyes

#

but gets away with it

green citrus
#

I mean

gaunt fiber
#

Dude you should watch your runs

green citrus
#

Do you understand how many Eris runs this man has?

#

lmaooo

bronze viper
#

If you watch your own replays you will be horrified at the things you get away with with law of large numbers

gaunt fiber
#

you're going crazy for me too

rain sedge
#

I mean I know he's the eris world record holder

#

but most of his eris run is just low heat speedrun right

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah but it really helps tbh

#

Lili has played low heat any heat with Eris right

#

But his skills are just amazing

green citrus
#

Nah Haelian has pushed heat quite a lot

sly remnant
#

yall flame any heat

#

cuz yall dont understand

bronze viper
#

Haelian was one of the original heat runners

gaunt fiber
#

You're making it sound like mythology

green citrus
#

Running under 50 for him is going through the motions is all I'm saying lol. That's why it might look like he's yoloing and getting away with it

bronze viper
#

Lmao, just a matter of fact. People are making it sound like he only speed runs

rain sedge
#

how in the world is he rolling this hermes

#

this man has no fear

daring hedge
bronze viper
#

Yeah we don't exist to them lol

green citrus
#

I just like to combine both 🙂

#

Because I like to hurt myself

gaunt fiber
#

Because you're a god gamer

sly remnant
#

maybe everyone just has an attitude problem

rain sedge
#

internet people in a nutshell

daring hedge
#

i don't actually flame any heat though

sly remnant
#

i know you odn

rain sedge
#

I do because I'm toxic

#

well I dont flame them

gaunt fiber
#

is saying something like "speedrunners are afraid of heat" flaming?

rain sedge
#

yes

#

I never said that tho

gaunt fiber
#

Ofc not

rain sedge
#

oh god I love this cat cam so much

#

I just wish his cat isnt black so it's more visible

#

it fades to his clothes

daring hedge
#

if i ever get a cam i could do the same, my cat is perpetually in my lap

#

but also she's black too

rain sedge
#

CAT CAMMM

daring hedge
#

so harder to see

rain sedge
#

do it tail

#

you've only stream the once right

bronze viper
#

I have a husky, I do not think I am pro gamer enough to do that

daring hedge
#

yeah

green citrus
#

I follow a guy on twitch with perpetual cat cam, he's awesome. Disnof, rimworld streamer mostly but he streams all kinda games

rain sedge
#

can you post the photos of your pets on the off-topic and ping me

#

I love animals

true fable
#

haelian wriste and krashercorr were the first high heat people right?

gaunt fiber
#

See Schad

#

move more

rain sedge
#

ok I really should bookmark his lernie fight

#

this is everything I'm missing

gaunt fiber
#

that was close

rain sedge
#

he was 1cm away from dying

bronze viper
#

I think he actually did Lernie more smoothly on Chaosl ol

true fable
#

what? drunken flourish clusters?

rain sedge
#

wriste is a high heater???

bronze viper
#

Depends on your definition of high heat

green citrus
#

Eris will always be perpetual 'yolo suicide' weapon

daring hedge
#

153 heat

rain sedge
#

oh god another ugly first room elysium

true fable
#

@daring hedge werent you babby

#

back then

rain sedge
#

what is this enemies really

true fable
#

wriste was a high heater until he won HC1

#

outta nowhere

daring hedge
#

what are the qualifications for being a high heater

#

do you mean like being known

gaunt fiber
#

astaos heat +1

daring hedge
#

because yeah i guess only people in this discord knew

true fable
#

wriste is the only speedrunner to go from up and coming to washed up at the same time 🥈

solemn pulsar
#

Speedrunning stinky

#

High heat stinky

true fable
#

TRUE

solemn pulsar
#

Hades stinky

rain sedge
#

I guess if we're being honest

#

high heater in my opinion is something like

#

6x40 + 1 45+ run or 24x40

daring hedge
#

153 heat is forever the record for old heat system and scaling

#

can never be taken away

solemn pulsar
#

24x40 is a biiiig gap lol

rain sedge
#

I think that's the treshold where your understanding of the game starts to become good

gaunt fiber
agile obsidian
#

What does 6x40 mean?

rain sedge
#

all weapons at 40 heat

bronze viper
agile obsidian
#

Ok

bronze viper
#

Those are so different

rain sedge
#

well

#

as you said earlier ledger

solemn pulsar
#

Elitist boundaries tbh

agile obsidian
#

So 24x40 is all aspects at 40

gaunt fiber
#

yrd

solemn pulsar
#

High heater is anyone who enjoys pushing the difficulty

rain sedge
#

45+ heat is a different class than 40

agile obsidian
solemn pulsar
#

And lives to bump up their heat instead of bumping down their speed

gaunt fiber
#

not gonna bother edit that one, good enough

bronze viper
#

Yeah but holy cow 40 with every aspect is nuts

green citrus
#

Until someone beats Bablo's 40 heat streak, he's the only high heater imo. 🙂

rain sedge
#

to clear 45+ you need a certain understanding of heat and the game

#

bablo is the high heater

green citrus
#

(jk love you guys)

solemn pulsar
#

I mean you can clear 45 with Eris and a prayer too

rain sedge
bronze viper
#

Yeah, I think Tailesque is getting kind of a free bump because bablo's attention is split erring towards speedrunning 😛

rain sedge
#

I guess "enough aspects at 40 heat to understand them comparatively and the different playstyles in the game"

solemn pulsar
#

High heater/speed runner should not be gatekept based on achievement

#

If you feel you are one then you are

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
#

Bablo does not enjoy 50+ anyway

solemn pulsar
#

Anything else is silly imo

daring hedge
green citrus
bronze viper
#

Right?

gaunt fiber
#

That's a question I can't answer actually

rain sedge
#

I'm just saying what my personal threshold is, since that's where I felt where I start to really understand the game

bronze viper
#

I do 50+ when I want to prove something. One day I'll be good enough to yolo it, but today is not that day

gaunt fiber
#

F for Haelian tho

sly remnant
#

schad today informed me i am not a high heater

solemn pulsar
#

Why does “high heater” have to be understand the game deeply?

sly remnant
#

its been nice talking to yall

solemn pulsar
#

Speed runners also have a deep understanding of the game

rain sedge
#

? you got 50 heat

solemn pulsar
#

Just not the pact lol

rain sedge
#

that qualifies

solemn pulsar
#

It’s all kinda mumbo

rain sedge
#

I wouldn't know anything about speedrunning

shy gulch
#

look cgull if you dont fit my definition of high heater then u cant claim this title

sly remnant
#

the difference between high heat and speed is not as much as you thilnk it is schad

shy gulch
#

u are a mere low heat peasant

rain sedge
#

it's just understanding different aspect of the game

gaunt fiber
#

The gremlin is right

solemn pulsar
#

My definition of high heater is: have a computer that can play and record hades at a decent quality and FPS

daring hedge
#

i understood the game so deeply that i didn't know sturdy was good for a long time

shy gulch
#

oh no

solemn pulsar
#

So pog frog is out

shy gulch
#

LOL tail

solemn pulsar
rain sedge
sly remnant
#

LMFO TAIL

#

its okay i forgot how damage reduction worked

#

eaerlier today

gaunt fiber
#

you're welcome

rain sedge
#

tbh

solemn pulsar
#

Tooltips are for the weak

rain sedge
#

it was only yesterday someone informed me of "superelites"

solemn pulsar
#

And also how I check my max hp in chaos menus

agile obsidian
gaunt fiber
rain sedge
#

I didn't know what they are

gaunt fiber
#

Oh ok

solemn pulsar
#

Also speed runners are usually just straight up good at the game and would do fine in high heat if that was their passion. I don’t think there’s really a separation of skill set

sly remnant
#

i agree cgull

solemn pulsar
#

If good high heat players wanted to go fast they certainly could

agile obsidian
#

I feel like there is a difference

rain sedge
#

I think there's a huge overlap, but for me personally

#

I couldn't do speedrun

#

at all

shy gulch
#

i do think there are different skills needed for speed vs high heat to an extent

rain sedge
#

and I think not every speedrunner can just pick up high heat like haelian

agile obsidian
#

Im like 50/50 at both; not amazing but not bad at either

solemn pulsar
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Dude haelian didn’t “pick up” high heat he was one of the first people to do it

rain sedge
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like, it's not something you can just pick up and do

sly remnant
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i'm bad at all of them so

shy gulch
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could top speedrunners do high heat and could top high heaters do speedrunning? sure, but each would have to take some time to learn the different setting

daring hedge
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there's def overlap for both when you start to push yourself in either

shy gulch
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yeah hael was one of the og's

solemn pulsar
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Like when heat was first invented he was there

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
spring kettle
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Hael just failed at 2 49 heat runs