h1-high-heat-strategies

[agile obsidian]

k cool

[mossy zinc]

My go-to strategy for 32 with any aspect is HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3 with Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn.

Just works.

[rain sedge]

what I'm implicitly saying is also take every heart chamber over boons, and play extremely safe, get extra DDs, prioritise survival

we just want you to clear

[agile obsidian]

Hl5?

[mossy zinc]

I would def take boons over Centaur Hearts.

[agile obsidian]

I normally put on FO1

The rest is pretty much ditto for my setup

[mossy zinc]

You'll take more damage with HL0 FO1 than with HL3 FO0.

[agile obsidian]

Ok

Interesting

[rain sedge]

this

[mossy zinc]

Imagine your setup, but all your enemies move in slow motion. That's what turning off FO does.

[rain sedge]

this is mathematically and practically correct

I'd take HL11 over FO2 Hl5 if that's an option

[agile obsidian]

hmm

Sounds convincing

[rain sedge]

the only reason people here do FO2 is because we got used to it

[gaunt fiber]

One thing about Hades

[rain sedge]

also FO2 screws with your spin charge

they are fast, and without that sturdy spin hammer, it'll cancel your spin if you're not used to it

[gaunt fiber]

Dash while charging your spin is super useful. You get to apply the punishing sweep while keeping the iframes of a dash

This is key

[agile obsidian]

I normally have FO2 on for casual runs so I dont really care about it

But I guess for hades spear I should probably take it off

Hades spear is a lot of fun tho

It feels satisfying to use

[daring hedge]

truth

[mossy zinc]

I turn RI4 on for casual runs, it's not really a good measure of difficulty in combination with other things.

@daring hedge

@agile obsidian if Hades Aspect is not working out for you, you could try something like this instead. Was a really casual run. @gaunt fiber was there, he can confirm. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/787460122481393674/Hades_1239.png?width=718&height=404

[agile obsidian]

Dam 32 for you is casual

[gaunt fiber]

I can confirm if needed

[lusty mirage]

bablo just did a 50 heat hestia as a victory lap after smashing 3 wrs

[mossy zinc]

Easy pact, strong setup.

[solemn pulsar]

Bablo is good

[agile obsidian]

I tried GY and died at the heroes

[gaunt fiber]

happens

[agile obsidian]

It was fun but Im not the best at it

[mossy zinc]

Sounds like something bablo would do.

Just don't get hit.

We solved this long ago.

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[agile obsidian]

Sounds like a good strategy

I'll give it a try

[gaunt fiber]

There are some sharp people here indeed

[rain sedge]

real talk though, more people need to know this

if I get a pound for everytime someone come to this channel to brag "oH eM4/fO2/wHaTevEr wAs rEaLlY eAsY fOr mE aT mY lOw hEaT rUn" I can retire early

ok I've had too much alcohol and I'm getting really toxic, so best to check out of this channel

night all, GL on your run pengy

[mossy zinc]

DC2 is free heat, haven't you heard?

[agile obsidian]

I keep FO2 bcs most of my runs im trying to speedrun

[agile obsidian]

thx

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[rain sedge]

it's free heat on eris tho 🙃

[agile obsidian]

100 percent

You kill them before they even spawn

[gaunt fiber]

Night!

[mossy zinc]

You can do FO2 at 32, we do that for 32 speedruns.

[agile obsidian]

My 10 y/o sister got her first clear with eris

[gaunt fiber]

Prolly more GY tomorrow btw @rain sedge if still interested

[agile obsidian]

Let us know in the discord when you stream

[rain sedge]

ping me when you start

[agile obsidian]

Same

[gaunt fiber]

I will

[agile obsidian]

Enjoy watching Gy being used skillfully

[mossy zinc]

Why though? He's a bot. All he has is predictable flowchart play.

That's why he's a bot.

[gaunt fiber]

Hey be kind

[mossy zinc]

m kind by telling them the truth.

[rain sedge]

a bit of real-world conversation just for 1 message

but we're a few years away from ML-backed bots from owning every single game

[mossy zinc]

If they all call you a bot nowadays, they should at least know what it means.

[rain sedge]

did you see that openAI project with dota2? dota is one of the most complicated games out there, and the AIs did extremely well

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I did

[rain sedge]

it's only really limited from computational power

like as a software engineer + someone who is somewhat well-versed at ML, that was such a crazy achievement

like I don't think a lot of people understood what a big deal it was

[mossy zinc]

I don't think Dota2 is complicated.

Pick Luna > swish swish swish kaboom.

[rain sedge]

it's a proof of concept of what is to come

[mossy zinc]

That's my Dota2 strategy.

[rain sedge]

toxic, and not worth the argument

[rain sedge]

somehow I'm unsurprised luna is your favourite hero

QoP would be my first guess, but yeah

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[rain sedge]

ok I gotta leave for real before I get banned

cya

[sly remnant]

luna is a bad hero

and its worth noting that the open ai dota 2 project was with an incredibly limited hero pool

[mossy zinc]

This close to blocking you for that incredibly rude comment.

[ripe crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/679466835283804306/808862884653826098/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670 Taking this screenshot cause I'm about to die @rain sedge

[sly remnant]

look luna is one of my favorite heroes

she is still bad

[mossy zinc]

Well, you are about to die now because you cursed your run by posting that.

You know how it goes.

[ripe crane]

nvm, 114 hp left

[gaunt fiber]

Ping me if I need to remove that F pls

[ripe crane]

wonder if I wanna switch off shackle. I have aphro special but no attack

Skelly or acorn sound nice

[gaunt fiber]

I have a very limited experience of hestia

but heartbreak flourish with hazard bomb carried my 44 run

[ripe crane]

it v good

But slow at killing dad

[gaunt fiber]

a bit slow but safe still

[rain sedge]

Does the explosive fire deal the empowered damage in an aoe?

And how big is that aoe?

This is very good going crepes

Em4 though

[ripe crane]

Ok, tooth or acorn 🤔

Explosive fire AoE is tiny

[sly remnant]

tooth

i think

[rain sedge]

Tooth, is em4

[ripe crane]

I do have divine dash and no FO, so I feel like I could be okay

[rain sedge]

Are you streaming?

[ripe crane]

with acorn

[agile obsidian]

yeah tooth probably better for em4 if you dont have much time left

[ripe crane]

I have infinite time

No not streaming

[agile obsidian]

Well then I guess acorn

[ripe crane]

Only doing this one attempt I think

Sorry PAL

[rain sedge]

No worries choomba

[ripe crane]

Mods

Help

I'm being harassed

[daring hedge]

lmao

[mossy zinc]

You could always just claim the F was for his enemies.

[mossy zinc]

Why PAL? Why not NTSC?

[ripe crane]

x D ! ! !

[mossy zinc]

I think taking half the time to kill him with Shackle would be a lot better than either Lucky Tooth or Acorn. More than half probably because of healing.

[ripe crane]

I haven't done EM4 in months.

Yes I was thinking the same. I ended up with acorn anyway hoping to luck into an attack boon. Didn't happen

I really don't remember how to time these dashes right. I don't expect to make it out of Phase 1 tbh

[mossy zinc]

At least with FO0, you have a chance of dashing out of range of spins.

[ripe crane]

You right. Phase 1 done with 3 acorns left xd. FO0 is dumb

[rain sedge]

What did he summon? That's really good

[ripe crane]

two gorgons and a thwomp

Got myself down to 84 health though going into P3. I think every hit I took in phase 2 was from running into my own hazard bombs.

[sly remnant]

two gorgons and a thwomp is pretty ideal

[rain sedge]

Indeed

[ripe crane]

the darkness in phase 3 is destroying my video card. I have like negative FPS. This suuuucks

[mossy zinc]

Sounds you like you would have won already with Shackle.

FPS drops aside.

[ripe crane]

Yep. That was awful. Anytime urns popped out I would like grind to a halt. Got him down to 1/3 hp left. Ugh. Really thought I was gonna get it

Also yeah should've just stayed shackle I think. 😠

[rain sedge]

1/3 hp was really good

Gonna try again?

[ripe crane]

I mean that was with hazard bomb and divine dash, basically perfect setup. Idk if I'm really gonna get better than that

I haven't fully died yet. Maybe I save scum and try the fight again

[rain sedge]

Wait you haven't died?

[ripe crane]

Sorry

[rain sedge]

And he's down to 1/3rd?

[ripe crane]

I died, but paused before the death animation finished

[rain sedge]

Ah

[ripe crane]

I was at 40 and dashed directly into him during a spin x d

Ugh. Maybe I just restart until I have athena dash to start with

Why am I doing this. This isn't a real thing. How did you trick me so easily.

[rain sedge]

"people will absolutely do anything for clout"

Think of your place in that has of fame

[ripe crane]

Nobody will even remember that this happened

[sly remnant]

like the 4 high heat runners in this channel will

[lusty mirage]

btw @shy plinth the Guan Yu master is clearly bablo after today's display

[shy plinth]

What did he do

[sly remnant]

he put up a casual 7:10 with the weapon

[shy plinth]

WHAT

[sly remnant]

its like 10th fastest aspect of the patch now

[bronze viper]

Are people surprised when bablo breaks records anymore? lol

It's just a matter of the aspects he decides to play at the moment

[ripe crane]

Idk, I'm still not convinced he's actually good at this game. Seems more like luck to me

[bronze viper]

Must be.

[solemn pulsar]

He did take a 5 week break so I think we got used to no records from bablo

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/808882695215906826/unknown.png zag sword now again on its rightful throne

[shy plinth]

That excruciating soul is N I C E

[sly remnant]

the heat is high enough for retrash to participate

zag sword

smh

what a god

[lusty mirage]

See this is why i wanted the heat to go up. Retrash has entered the arena

who else will join

[north dove]

haha, not sure many people are gonna keep up at this point. I don't really want to fill the board until 1-2 people are left

hopefully see some new people do 50

[ripe crane]

Time is plenty low enough for some faster 46's

or high enough

rather

If only people would do that 😠

[sly remnant]

lol

[solemn pulsar]

I did a time one!

By accident ...

[sly remnant]

Can slicing flare beo go to hades

Let's find out

Ah

Dead to asterius miniboss

Ah well

It was a good meme

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/808903602516918342/unknown.png ngl this run almost feels seeded, won on the first attempt after the "first death" reset

also lol at the rush delivery ferocious guard synergy I literally just noticed

[shy plinth]

THE COMBO

[north dove]

extra 10% damage pog

[shy gulch]

hyper delivery with AP2? jesus

and an extra DD

nice run dude

[north dove]

yeah it was pretty nuts but then again I did also have the 2 best high heat boons : after party and nourishing soul

[sly remnant]

LMFAO

[shy gulch]

poggers

[agile obsidian]

Idk if that was sarcastic but how does nourished soul work at LC4? I got it once and it did nothing

[north dove]

you're not missing anything

[agile obsidian]

Ok lol

You didnt take routine inspection?

[north dove]

no, I enjoy getting boons

[agile obsidian]

[north dove]

and rerolls

[shy gulch]

he says, taking AP2

[agile obsidian]

Lmao

[north dove]

AP2 is free heat, all you have to do is get lucky

[shy gulch]

ez

just game good

[mossy zinc]

The best thing about Nourished Soul LC4 is that you can't purge it.

[agile obsidian]

Well so is RI

[agile obsidian]

I got nourished soul in styx and thought it might do something but no bueno rip

[mossy zinc]

Feels so good when you have only 1 boon in Tartarus, which you need, buy a random AP2 boon at the end-of-biome shop to have something else that you can sell for UC, and the random boon is Nourished Soul.

[agile obsidian]

@north dove how is hangover good for chaos. Like you can’t even put high stacks quickly

[north dove]

wdym? you can shotgun it

[agile obsidian]

Hmm that makes sense

I don’t really use chaos that way

I normally stand back and try and get as many people with Zeus lighting

[north dove]

ah, you prefer zeus?

[agile obsidian]

Yep

[mossy zinc]

Maybe if you did, you'd clear 52 Heat, too.

On that note.

@north dove congratulations!

[agile obsidian]

I am in no taking place for good 52 strats I’m just wondering how to make hangover on chaos work

[mossy zinc]

Anyone can have good ideas for 52.

[solar scroll]

https://imgur.com/liZ80CK @agile obsidian me 32 heat set up just now

[shy plinth]

I have questions

Why DC2 on spear, why FO2, why no HL, why only 75% on LC, and why JS3 CP1 instead of BP2 or something

Also if you're on FO2 TD3 would make sense to me but obv you can't run TD3 easily on JS3 CP1 DC2

[agile obsidian]

My sentiments exactly

[shy plinth]

Like it could work but it seems like a pretty demanding combination for 32 when there are so many options on the table

[opal token]

Would Achilles spear dmg boost apply to a Spin as well? 150% boosted massive spin could be fun

[shy plinth]

It should

[solar scroll]

idk about that

[agile obsidian]

Yeah i suggest putting some in hl

[solar scroll]

yea, room clearing was the problem in that run

gonna revise a bit

[shy plinth]

Which spear are you using

[solar scroll]

achilles

[shy plinth]

Feels like DC on spear is kind of a bummer

[agile obsidian]

Yes

Check it out the pinned message for a good 32 setup

[wanton plover]

hello friends i have a question for u :)

whats your favorite sword aspect :)

assuming 40+ heat

[solar scroll]

so I took some of your advice, with more or less the same build with minor adjustment, smooth sailing

until I forgot to proc kiss of styx before hades and got 2 sacced

[rain sedge]

DC2 on Achilles means he'll reset for flurry jab and take the Zeus attack

I'll add the FO2 Vs HL logic to true pinned post later

[lilac depot]

how safe is having RI in 32?

[wanton plover]

would be best to avoid it for as long as you can

[lilac depot]

okay, that's fair lol

been doing the past 5 runs with it on 1

is SD better than DD on 32?

[solar scroll]

most of my SD runs are a lot more successful than my DD runs

[lilac depot]

yeaaah

figured dd wouldnt work

[north dove]

I posted the 52 heat chaos shield vid on the spreadsheet if anyone wants to take a gander

[rain sedge]

This question and others related to 32 heat is pinned :)

Maybe we should put it in the channel description

[lilac depot]

oh okk

i dont read pins usually, so excuse me

lmao

[rain sedge]

"32 advice is pinned" would probably work. But I wonder if people even read channel description

[dire steppe]

em4 ri4 lc4 td3 fo1 hs sounds like a free 32 heat

did we ever hear from mr. 62

[wanton plover]

sd is used because of lc4. its not about total heat but that pact and mirror combo specifically

[lilac depot]

yeah, figured.

i might get a run in later

prolly running with eres/chrion or rama

i feel like those are easiest to handle BP1 + DC1

[opal token]

Only Spear remains for 24x32. Was on a hot streak today and just cleared like 4 aspects in 5 runs lol

[mossy zinc]

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

[opal token]

Lol okay bed time. Accidentally pressed Give Up instead of Quit on my GY run after killing heroes 😦

[mossy zinc]

Woops~!

If you did it once, you can do it again.

Actually.

You can still recover your temp save.

[opal token]

Oh really?

I would not mind doing that lol

[mossy zinc]

Yes. If you're not on Switch, anyway.

...\Documents\Saved Games\Hades is the folder you're looking for.

Profile1.sav is your permanent save (in the House of Hades). Profile1_Temp.sav is your temporary save (mid-run).

[opal token]

Okay found both

[mossy zinc]

Back up your permanent save before you do anything, just in case.

If you replace your permanent save with your temporary save, and then load your save game, you should be mid-run again.

All your stuff is still saved in your profile, and when you finish the run, your permanent and temporary saves will function like normal again.

[opal token]

Will do thanks!

[mossy zinc]

We create practice saves for bosses the same way. Just replace any permanent save with your temporary save from a boss chamber, and you can replay that boss fight over and over again.

Well, the temp save needs to be from before you killed the boss.

What "Give Up" does is basically just tell the game to load your permanent save from back in the House next time you load your profile. "Quit" tells the game to load the temp save next time.

[opal token]

Yeah I need to do that at some point

Practice FO2 hades etc

[mossy zinc]

Helps a lot with being more comfortable in those fights.

[opal token]

Yay it worked

[mossy zinc]

Woo~!

[opal token]

My weakness is Hades hah. Almost got there

Take too many hits and then on GY it’s all magnified

[mossy zinc]

I often need to remind myself to not rush the fight. You'll do better even if the timer is tight if you just play by the book and don't take unnecessary risks.

[opal token]

Actually it was okay until he spawned wave 2 of adds and it was the invincibility granting gemstones +Armored chariot

And that just sucked a lot lol

[mossy zinc]

lol that would suck a lot.

Acorn helps a lot with Chariot summons.

[opal token]

For sure. Next time

[mossy zinc]

You can do it!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

[ember bridge]

does anyone have a good spear build? trying to reach 20 heat on it

[wanton plover]

on which spear

[ember bridge]

any is fine, i think im using the base spear the most

[waxen relic]

do you have blood in all of them?

[halcyon flame]

exploding launcher + swift flourish + arty on special is good

if you get charged skewer then you don't need swift flourish from hermes

[wanton plover]

how do u guys guarantee a specific hammer

[prime lintel]

Mods afaik

[waxen relic]

you take AP0 and reset or die while trying it without

[wanton plover]

i ask because when i recommend someone a build, im cautious to recommend one that is very hammer dependent

[waxen relic]

some weapons are just far stronger with a specific hammer. not recommending it would not help either

[gaunt fiber]

AP2 without RI is fine, you will get a build anyway

[edgy arrow]

“a” build isn’t a concern, the concern is “what” build

does it really count as a build if it’s just random stuff

that’s like if i was building a house and i just dropped a bunch of planks and bricks in a pile then asked to be paid

[gaunt fiber]

As long as you know your aspect, you'll get something to work with at some point

I think

I mean you can still get really unlucky

[edgy arrow]

[citation needed]

you’re prolly not wrong tho; i just play one of the most boon hungry aspects around so the idea of “just get one boon you’ll be fine” scares me

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/324b23a561cdff78acf53d21ad6d10ac Consider me back in the grind

[wanton plover]

monkaOMEGA

[gaunt fiber]

Yo Baj been a while

[woeful echo]

Ahoy thar, what do yall think is the best cast for hera bow nowadays?

For pushing heat

[gaunt fiber]

how far do you plan to push?

I left some guide lines in #h1-builds-and-combat , should be ok up to 32 easily

[halcyon flame]

at that point you might as well go the final stretch and turn on rl4

[honest kernel]

Don't tempt me. I've already gotten to Elysium with RI4 setup on 61 heat

[halcyon flame]

you what

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/0dcb5353249c1971489b399b6a589ee1 A bit of an oldie, but still applies

Bull got the tooth off. Died in the next room

Yes I know, +1 dash. But also Charged Shot, which means without it my defense was just ass

[halcyon flame]

have you tried using other weapons/aspects?

[honest kernel]

I've done some 45 heat clears on Arthur, Achilles and Rama

Tried 50 heat a few times on other weapons, somehow losing to non-EM4 hades a lot of times on 'em

Also those 45 heat clears were cursed, outside of Rama

[halcyon flame]

meanwhile i'm on a 4 losing streak with 32 heat beo despite managing to do it fairly easily the first 2 times

[honest kernel]

32 heat ain't easy

And beo can sort of fall flat if you are unlucky/not experienced enough

Aspect's wack

[halcyon flame]

i got fully loaded, grasp, epic trippy flare and scint feast on the first loss

i knew that was a sign of bad things to come but instead of switching to a different weapon i just keep going

[honest kernel]

Oh. Right. Even that word is censored

Regardless

https://gyazo.com/5b3aef6395531c92947b59c1bcb05641 Throws happen. If it's in a streak, best to sit back for a while

[halcyon flame]

32 heat is one hell of a challenge but a good thing that came out of it aside from the statue is that now i can confidently do td3

[honest kernel]

That's one of the silent benefits of doing high heat

Switching back feels like cheating lol

[halcyon flame]

my plan for beo is getting dio, arty, zeus, athena (because dds obviously) and then get idk tempest flourish from poseidon to i can get mirage shot and i'm never gonna use special anyways

[honest kernel]

Have you heard of the Flood Flare build ?

Poseidon cast

Arty attack

Mirage Shot

Go for whatever after that

[halcyon flame]

for now i prefer going trippy flare

[honest kernel]

I can see it

[halcyon flame]

maybe i'll try out other builds later

[honest kernel]

Flood Flare is a lot of fun

[halcyon flame]

i might consider doing slicing flare just for the meme

[honest kernel]

oh my lord

LOL

I forgot it isn't the doom flare anymore

[halcyon flame]

slicing flare would be good if it didn't last like a quarter of a second

[honest kernel]

Needs Engulfing for that duration, yeah

[halcyon flame]

doesn't help that the t2 boon that sucks enemies in only increases the duration but probably around 0.5 seconds max and you can't pom it unlike glacial glare

[grand girder]

guys what conditions for a 32 run do you recommend?

[halcyon flame]

also probably doesn't help that i've gotten painfully stingy with boons and if i'm doing a cast build i will totally refuse to make it out of tartarus without chaos grasp

[honest kernel]

Check the pins. There's a guide that should help you

[wanton plover]

check pins for guide

wow

[grand girder]

thanks

[agile obsidian]

The pinned message is a really good first 32 pact

[rain sedge]

Welcome back b a j

How you doing?

[edgy arrow]

@halcyon flame omg when did you change your name

i’m so proud

[halcyon flame]

beowulf supremacy

[edgy arrow]

^^^

good name

[oblique yoke]

If you play on extreme measures 3 or 4, will the miniboss always be Asterius? I'd rather fight the butterfly ball just because it isn't buffed by any means

[agile obsidian]

No it won’t

[wanton plover]

thats not the case. sometimes you fight ball. but if you do fight cow he will have is special armor

regardless of mm 😳

[oblique yoke]

Because I know that if you fight the bull, he gets his armor even if he's the miniboss

[wanton plover]

yep

[oblique yoke]

So obviously I'd rather fight the ball. First time I fought the bull with EM I lost 2 DD

[edgy arrow]

yeah everyone prefers the ball; it’s much faster as well as being safer

unfortunately it’s just a coin toss

[sly remnant]

My ritual is

Don't say what you want the miniboss to be

As thats 100% the way to get the other one

[pseudo girder]

"I want the miniboss to be Tiny Vermin"

[sly remnant]

Good strat

[pseudo girder]

It's the best strat

Didn't have my run virtually ended by that thing in a long time

That thing is almost never the cause of death in and of itself, but it always makes sure to take at least one DD

[oblique yoke]

Whenever I see Dusa right by text, I read it in her voice

That said, I cannot see Dusa playing vidya

[pseudo girder]

how could she?

she doesn't have haaaaaaands

[oblique yoke]

Exactly

[pseudo girder]

or her snake hair acts as little fingers

they boop the buttons and push the joysticks

it's probably painful

[bronze viper]

She clearly has some dexterity. She does a lot of manual labor in the house.

[halcyon flame]

idk about yall but tiny vermin is easy

[pseudo girder]

Oh, don't get me wrong

Tiny Vermin is easy

But there's a lot going on in that particular boss fight that causes mistakes to be easier than if you got any of the other minibosses

[bronze viper]

It just has 10 billion health and compounds slower damage builds by an endless stream of rats

[pseudo girder]

And god forbid you have, say, a Bow build

Small target that summons bigger targets to protect itself

Unless you're going Rama, it's a nightmare.

[bronze viper]

Bow? They all pierce

[pseudo girder]

Autoaim screws me over more times than I'd like to admit.

[bronze viper]

Ah

[sly remnant]

i think the only time i have auto aim on is for hestia and hera

[bronze viper]

I have it on always. I considered heavily turning it off for Rama to get better multi-hit attacks but I imagine landing the special would be a nightmare

In chaotic encounters*

[rain sedge]

clearly not an eris player

brain off good

[sly remnant]

i've considered it for eris

but i've played more luci in my life

which absolutely cannot have auto aim

[bronze viper]

Really? I have not played Luci much but I would find it infuriating to not have auto aim on that aspect

[edgy arrow]

i have immense respect for anyone who’s played more lucy than eris

[sly remnant]

the autoaim hates shooting the bomb

[bronze viper]

Oh right

[edgy arrow]

^

[pseudo girder]

Yuuuup

[bronze viper]

Lmao, I just wrote that ability off as nonexistent

[edgy arrow]

i don’t find it much of an issue on KBM, but i don’t play much lucy so idk

[pseudo girder]

Hellfire is actually really good for burst damage

[sly remnant]

triple bomb is the reason to play luci

[pseudo girder]

Especially with triple bomb

[edgy arrow]

yeah the special is actually kinda good

with triple at least

[bronze viper]

Oh for sure, but there's no way in hell I'm detonating those bombs

So what's the point :3

[pseudo girder]

I only detonate the bombs early in run for EZ Privileged Status

But when I get Triple Bomb it's special spam o'clock

[edgy arrow]

lol “ez privileged status” is a phrase tossed around a lot

[bronze viper]

I tried to take PS yesterday for the first time in months since I was chaining a bunch of Dio runs, and I regretted it after a couple of hours

So I imagine I'm just never taking it ever again now

[edgy arrow]

hot take: no build really has “ez privileged status”

[sly remnant]

that is not a hot take

PS is garbage

[edgy arrow]

yeah ik lol

[pseudo girder]

Eh

[sly remnant]

ah oh lol

[pseudo girder]

I like it

[sly remnant]

but

tartarus hard

[bronze viper]

I literally started every run with Drunken Flourish/Strike. And I still missed PS over half the time.

[pseudo girder]

Besides, I find it better than the other alternative of "you get more rooms with poms and boons and such"

[bronze viper]

wait whu

[sly remnant]

YOU DON'T RUN DARK FORESIGHT

[bronze viper]

The alternative is permanent 25% damage uptime

[sly remnant]

WHAT

[pseudo girder]

I DON'T

[edgy arrow]

wait what

dark foresight isn’t even the alt of PS

[bronze viper]

Those are not on the same mirror slot lmao

[edgy arrow]

i don’t understand

[pseudo girder]

Wait wha

I could've sworn it was

[sly remnant]

oh wait yea

family favorite is PS alt

[pseudo girder]

Ah

Yeah, that's what I meant

[bronze viper]

We're having 2 aneurysms here:

1. PS is the opposite of Family Favorite
2. What kind of masochist doesn't take Dark Foresight

[sly remnant]

pls tell me you run dark foresight

pls

[pseudo girder]

No

[edgy arrow]

okay but you should try it

srsly

it’s sooo good

[pseudo girder]

yea

but funny ps go brrrr

[sly remnant]

dark foresight is probably one of the single most impactful mirror talents in the game

[bronze viper]

When I go RI, it's not the rerolls I miss as much as DF

[sly remnant]

rerolls hurt but yea i'd run RI2 a lot more often if I kept dark foresight

its so many boons

[pseudo girder]

Honestly the reason I don't go DF is for resources

[edgy arrow]

ah okay

[pseudo girder]

I'd much rather get keys and darkness (which, thanks to the upgrade, also gives max health) and stuff than boons and poms

[edgy arrow]

it does slightly reduce meta resources, and if you’re still grinding for those that’s a valid reason not to run it

[pseudo girder]

And Hammers are common enough for me that it isn't much of a problem if I miss them

[sly remnant]

hammers are guaranteed which is why it works that way

i also assume you don't play cast builds

[pseudo girder]

Funny you say that.

[edgy arrow]

don’t listen to *tyler; he’s a bad beo player

RI4 correct pact for beo 32 prove me wrong

[sly remnant]

i wish i was bright

[edgy arrow]

wait lmao

[pseudo girder]

[edgy arrow]

wrote the wrong name

[sly remnant]

so you play cast builds without dark foresight

what heat/time are we talking here

because i'll try anything once

[pseudo girder]

I haven't gotten high heat yet

[sly remnant]

time is a perfectly valid metric

[pseudo girder]

I mostly go for speed

[sly remnant]

ye time is good

you need both to push a weapon

[pseudo girder]

My times typically are in the 20s or so

With my fastest time being a 15 minute Gilgamesh run I DIDN'T FREAKING RECORD

[edgy arrow]

more boons = more speed

^time honoured speedrunner aphorism probably

[rain sedge]

we really arguing about PS and dark foresight in this channel now?

[sly remnant]

i would recommend flipping over to dark foresight

and see if your times improve

splitting bolt in tartarus or mirage shot in mid asphodel

is a hell of a drug

[pseudo girder]

Fair

[edgy arrow]

i feel like when i first joined this community PS and Olympian Favour actually were the norm

can’t remember exactly

how times change

that was pre DF buff tho ofc

[sly remnant]

tbf there was a long time where DF didn't work

[edgy arrow]

wait did it not work at all?

i was always hazy on that change

[sly remnant]

that was before me. i only started playing in 1.0

[edgy arrow]

i was technically there, just not paying attention lol

[halcyon flame]

what are "fun" aspects some of you would recommend for 32 heat?

[sly remnant]

i think talos is fun

[wanton plover]

all of em

[solar scroll]

arthur

[wanton plover]

i am a big fan of zag shield

[pseudo girder]

guan yu

for the sheer meme

[solar scroll]

guan yu + full LC

[sly remnant]

guan yu heal works through LC

[halcyon flame]

guan yu seems like a big no-no for high heat

at least for me

[solar scroll]

oh, that's new for me

makes sense

[halcyon flame]

i could "cheese" it with quick spin but obviously that's not gonna work out with hl5

[gaunt fiber]

wdym meme

[sly remnant]

GY is good for 32-40

if you are good at not getting hit

[halcyon flame]

charged skewer is a good choice but i might as well be using a different ranged weapon

[sly remnant]

and for that reason

i do not play gy

[gaunt fiber]

tbh Guan Yu forces you not to get hit too much

[pseudo girder]

Guan Yu Lambent Plume evasion build

Thoughts?

🤔

[gaunt fiber]

hm

Dodge is valuable for sure

But this not something I would do for high heat

[pseudo girder]

Especially on Guan Yu

[gaunt fiber]

I mean on GY

I'd definitely go plume for Zagphon

[sly remnant]

dodge is.....very meh

[wanton plover]

do any of you play a lot of hades spear

[sly remnant]

ask tail when he gets back in the channel

he's the hades spear guy

[gaunt fiber]

Tailesque knows

I know a tiny bit

[wanton plover]

is it very hammer reliant

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[solar scroll]

the only aspect I know is achilles spear

and yea

[gaunt fiber]

without serrated/exploding your damage will fall off

[pseudo girder]

Achilles Spear probably best spear IMO

[wanton plover]

what spear is not hammer reliant? just achilles?

[pseudo girder]

Especially for Zeus Cast builds

[solar scroll]

achilles is the least hammer reliant

you can succeed without it but it'd be pretty hard

[gaunt fiber]

But hammer reliant is only meaningful at extreme heats imo

[sly remnant]

^

[solar scroll]

unless you're playing cast builds

[vital grove]

Damn, be still my beating heart, 46 hestia done and it was so close llmao

I even lost my Athena DD in a Styx miniboss to a falling axe with HS

Athena gives, but Athena also replaced my deadly strike with divine strike

[rain sedge]

achilles is so hammer reliant that speedrunners start their multi weapon runs with Achilles to restart until they get flurry jab

same for 45+, I wouldn't touch the aspect at that heat without flurry jab

[vital grove]

This challenge taught me that 45+ is damn hard.

[rain sedge]

hmm

[bronze viper]

Yeah. I'd bracket 32-40, 41-45, 46-49, and 50+ as separate difficulty brackets.

[rain sedge]

47 heat chiron sounds doable right

[bronze viper]

I worked on it yesterday for a while. It's very doable. I'm just bad now

[vital grove]

I almost did 46 chiron, seems very doable.

[rain sedge]

I'll hit it when I get back from work I think

[vital grove]

Died to timer

Meanwhile hestia is good enough I could barely get there

[edgy arrow]

i could barely do chiron 40 lmao

i know it’s supposed to be easier but i swear it’s harder than rama

[vital grove]

Styx is annoying for Chiron

[sly remnant]

as someone (i don't remember who) said: "40 is like 32 but harder. 50 isn't like 40 but harder."

[bronze viper]

I think Rama is easier past 45, by a lot. Chiron is sensitive to time/health/mob density pacts

[sly remnant]

i think it was astaos or schad

[gaunt fiber]

The first part is mine

[vital grove]

And how do you define 60

[sly remnant]

considering only one person has done it

[bronze viper]

The ultimate barrel roll

[edgy arrow]

60 isn’t a real number haha

[rain sedge]

chiron players are people who are too bad to do powershot on rama

[agile obsidian]

Rip died em4 hades in 3rd phase half health

[bronze viper]

Sometimes I feel like an idiot because I will powershot off blue hearts with Chiron out of habit

[edgy arrow]

same lol

[rain sedge]

the only reason I'm not playing rama is because I don't have the skills to pull it off

[edgy arrow]

maybe that kind of timeloss is what’s making it hard for me

[vital grove]

Doom attack is really good when you have to dc

[edgy arrow]

oh i definitely don’t have the skills to pull rama off

[agile obsidian]

First em4 so i feel pretty good

[edgy arrow]

i’m just saying i found it much easier than chiron at 40

which is a relatively low number ofc

[rain sedge]

must be me, sounds like something I'll say after someone tries to translate 32 knowledge to 40/45/50+

[agile obsidian]

Aspect of hades

[vital grove]

Dad: hold my Nectar

[bronze viper]

People meme about how easy Chiron is but that no longer applies at extremely high heat. You have to be very precise with damage dealing and positioning to squeeze seconds out of the timer

[rain sedge]

as soon as the JS and CP increases chiron stops being fun

[bronze viper]

Whereas with Rama, you can just run around the entire map, not get hit, and land one good powershot and kill 15 enemies at the same time.

[dire steppe]

chiron sucks at any heat level

[rain sedge]

the aspect also kinda needs more boons/hammers

[dire steppe]

it has like no dps

[sly remnant]

rigged is correct

[dire steppe]

and its clunky

i hate it

[rain sedge]

stop encouraging him

[sly remnant]

the only thing that chiron has going for it is that its safe

[edgy arrow]

from a beo main’s perspective, it’s like this:
any heat: get mirage shot
32: get mirage shot
40: restart until you get mirage shot
45: ...
50: what’s a duo
55: no

[rain sedge]

cast weapon just falls off hard though

[vital grove]

This is why Rama and hestia are good, they don't rely on anything specific

[edgy arrow]

the point is there’s definitely a fundamental shift in how i’m having to approach the game now i’m pushing for 50

[rain sedge]

the weapons that tend to do well at high heat are those without a lot of boon/hammer requirements, or a weapon so broken it'll work anyway (eris)

[halcyon flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/809091307514363964/Hades_138.png

[agile obsidian]

I did not expect em4 to be that hard

[halcyon flame]

there goes that losing streak, and hey new pb

[sly remnant]

part of that is a lot of people don't explore cast weapons because it requires different pacts than what people like

[wanton plover]

is meg earring global dmg+

[sly remnant]

yes

[wanton plover]

pogu

[dire steppe]

i'd unironically take zag spear over chiron

[wanton plover]

wowzawoo

[sly remnant]

like everyone slapped cf2 on everything

without considering how much more costly that is for cast weapons

[rain sedge]

CF2 haters rise up

[bronze viper]

That is a spicy take

[vital grove]

I started with CF2 for my 46 lol

[wanton plover]

the spiciest

[sly remnant]

at least zag spear gets flurry jab

[edgy arrow]

CF2 bad

[halcyon flame]

to be fair both aspects rely on hammers

[edgy arrow]

it’s 46 tho

[dire steppe]

i feel like chiron special doesnt even hit the stuff its supposed to

[rain sedge]

zag spear is just a bad eris

[edgy arrow]

you don’t have a lot of choice at that point

[vital grove]

Yeah I didn't take it for 41 iirc

[halcyon flame]

believe it or not chiron really isn't that good without relentless/concentrated

[sly remnant]

chiron is just bad

[bronze viper]

You have to be at a particular range for it to do so. It can miss at point blank or a screen away

[sly remnant]

its not fast

[rain sedge]

s t o p

[sly remnant]

it is

[rain sedge]

sir

[sly remnant]

the only thing chiron has

[dire steppe]

beo >>> chorin

[sly remnant]

is safety

[rain sedge]

it's still the second easiest weapon at 40

or third or fourth

[edgy arrow]

i approve this message

[sly remnant]

its also slow as hell

[bronze viper]

Lmao, so much Chiron salt. How many of you have played before 1.0?

[dire steppe]

chiron is not safe. you die inside when you use your special

[edgy arrow]

i actually liked chiron back then

[wanton plover]

what happened to chiron before 1.0

[edgy arrow]

this was sub 20 heats tho

[bronze viper]

Everything

[wanton plover]

i see

[gaunt fiber]

I was born with 1.0

[vital grove]

Coded

[rain sedge]

1.3 gamers rise up

[bronze viper]

Bablo and I agreed that the only way to complete 43 heat with Chiron was to play it as Zag bow without crit

[halcyon flame]

beo supremacists rise up

[wanton plover]

i started right when chaos shield nerf patch hit

[bronze viper]

There's a video of him doing just that too lmao

[wanton plover]

OMEGALUL

how was chiron buffed

[rain sedge]

yea I'm just gonna do that chiron 47 to prove you wrong

[halcyon flame]

zag bow heart rend build on chiron when

heartbreak flourish and deadly strike

[edgy arrow]

it used to have 5 arrows at max iirc

[halcyon flame]

ew this is why beo is better

[bronze viper]

• Animation buffed significantly on special, both startup and recovery
• Damage increased by about 50%
• Base bow damage increased by about 20%. This applies obv to all non-Rama bows

[dire steppe]

chiron 47 more like chiron 47 minute clear

[rain sedge]

I guess if I do the barrel roll at chiron the rest of you have to beat it with your "better" aspect or shut it

[halcyon flame]

btw does festive fog just casually strip away dc hearts?

[dire steppe]

why would it do that

the stun doesnt deal damage

[sly remnant]

dc beo bad

[edgy arrow]

you’re on

[rain sedge]

@edgy arrow you play on beowulf

good luck

[halcyon flame]

or maybe beowulf is just really good at dealing with damage control for some reason

[rain sedge]

have fun rerolling for mirage shot

[vital grove]

Do it! Chiron 💪

[dire steppe]

i will get chamber 4 mirage shot youca nt stop me

[halcyon flame]

with beo i tend to deal with saviour numbskulls very easily

[sly remnant]

flood flare beo has to actively try not to get mirage

[edgy arrow]

thx i’ll need it

[rain sedge]

IIRC at 47 heat it's either DC2 or AP1/RI1

[halcyon flame]

why get mirage shot when you can get black out

[dire steppe]

take ap2

[sly remnant]

look i love dio beo

its not good past 45

[dire steppe]

beo is a bad weapon

[edgy arrow]

it’s theoretically good

[sly remnant]

its theoretically bad

you need too many things

[edgy arrow]

just need the bad news/mirage shot/grasp highroll with AP2

[bronze viper]

Lol, so many hot takes today. Though I have no stake in the Beo wars. I don't know how to play it and I have no interest in learning.

[edgy arrow]

ez

[sly remnant]

dio beo will be an excellent max heat route one day

[dire steppe]

https://prnt.sc/yzjhye

[edgy arrow]

tyler’s name even says he plays “bad beo”

[rain sedge]

you've missed an entire period where this channel is full of "hot takes"

[dire steppe]

^

[gaunt fiber]

we lack a "theoretically average"

[sly remnant]

also don't tkae ap2 on beo

[edgy arrow]

apparently even we agree it’s a bad aspect

[dire steppe]

u

[sly remnant]

beo is a v good aspect

[gaunt fiber]

I can't give an opinion on beo

[dire steppe]

u r theoretically just average

[sly remnant]

its just bad at extreme heats

[edgy arrow]

beo is definitely very good up to max heat

max heat being 40 don’t @ me

[rain sedge]

@edgy arrow

waiting for your beo 48 later

[dire steppe]

beowulf actually has a hidden move but you only can use it if you read beowulf

[edgy arrow]

lmao why did i issue that challenge

curse my hubris

[rain sedge]

nah I'm just here to motivate you to push heat

[edgy arrow]

can i do 40 8 times instead?

[rain sedge]

didn't you do the 24x40?

what happened to that?

[edgy arrow]

i got sidetracked

[dire steppe]

i wish i played in the old patch so i could do 64 heat easily

[rain sedge]

you got only a handful left right

[edgy arrow]

still 3 lol

[bronze viper]

Hades v10.2.35: Max heat is now 512

[rain sedge]

yeah 3 left, you got this

[edgy arrow]

i was starting to feel the grind so i’m taking a break

i’ll get back to it tho

[rain sedge]

lemme guess

gilga, zag sword, arthur?

[edgy arrow]

i actually did arthur

peach’s advice is magic

nemesis

[rain sedge]

real

ah, dedge reset city

although I couldn't do it with dedge since I couldn't dash strike consistently

[edgy arrow]

i’ve legit only seen dedge once in all my attempts

might just seed it at this point

[rain sedge]

I got it twice, and it did more harm than good

[bronze viper]

Losing a run when you get dedge on Nemesis feels like a punch to the nads

[rain sedge]

flurry slash for zag sword kinda works for me

[edgy arrow]

oh that’s interesting

[gaunt fiber]

all aspects 40 when mr. wy

[rain sedge]

15 attack speed, pray for hermes ASPD

I mean

[wanton plover]

pls delete double edge hammer and instead make it innate to zag sword

🥺

[edgy arrow]

game hard

[gaunt fiber]

true

[rain sedge]

for me it made it work because I just pretend it's a bad eris

[bronze viper]

I should track that in a spreadsheet. I have every weapon at 40 just not every aspect. And Nemesis took me by far the longest by like a magnitude of 10

[rain sedge]

you should do the 24x40 challange ledger

to cement your de-rusting

[edgy arrow]

what aspects are you missing ledger?

you done gilgamesh?

[bronze viper]

I'll do 20x40. I can't stand Stygius

[edgy arrow]

i can’t even get out of tartarus lmao

[bronze viper]

I did yes

[rain sedge]

I mean

[bronze viper]

I got lucky and got ME in Asphodel

[rain sedge]

gilgamesh took me so long

it's literally just ME resets

[bronze viper]

So it barely counts

[edgy arrow]

i’m tryna do it without ME

[rain sedge]

I tried a bunch of things but the aspect blows, really hard

[rain sedge]

good luck

I can give you a list of things I tried that didn't work

but that'll be your last aspect for sure

just @ me

[bronze viper]

Tailesque is working on a Thunder Dash build I think at 50

[rain sedge]

okay so

tail is king, and he's the best player here

but that run had splitting bolt at tartarus

[edgy arrow]

yeah i’ve talked with people about the damage dash gilga stuff

[rain sedge]

so

[sly remnant]

i keep telling yall zeus dash is good

[edgy arrow]

i frankly cannot win with that aspect without divine dash tho

[bronze viper]

Yeah it's hard to tell when he's meming or when he's tryharding. It's kind of the same

[rain sedge]

sir it does not count if you have double strike and splitting bolt out of tartarus

[true fable]

i like swod

[rain sedge]

like if I do 56 eris with splitting bolt on tartarus it also doesnt count

[sly remnant]

don't think of zeus dash in a vacuum. think of it as a jolted applicator

[true fable]

swod shliche

stygius good

[mossy zinc]

That's because Gilgamesh's mini dashes suck.

[edgy arrow]

^^^

[bronze viper]

I don't even think I have half of them. I'll have to scan down play history to see. Or probably just start from scratch on my HM save

[edgy arrow]

i’ve done 21x40 and you’re defs a better player than me

you’ll prolly streak half of them if you put your mind to it

[mossy zinc]

You can just check your aspects list in game.

[bronze viper]

Oh right, sec

[true fable]

i streaked like 5 and then got to nem 😦

surprisingly zag sword was easier than nem

[edgy arrow]

ME?

[true fable]

the movement speed coming in clutch

:^)

i tried ME

got it second tunnel styx

[edgy arrow]

maybe i’ll just do ME nem

[true fable]

oh nem i just did owl pendant start

[mossy zinc]

Just do Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Tooth/Acorn > Acorn. Works every time.

[edgy arrow]

trying to avoid crutching on that duo (like i did a bunch for 24x32) but i’ll reach my wits’ end eventually

...every time?

[bronze viper]

Yeah just 11

[mossy zinc]

Yeah. You haven't seen me lose any runs lately, have you?

So it must be true.

[edgy arrow]

i’ll admit i have not seen you lose a run once

[true fable]

post admin

[edgy arrow]

i’ve no proof you’ve ever lost a run

[mossy zinc]

@true fable I don't have admin rights in this server, sorry.

[true fable]

ah

that must be why that other guy hasnt posted yet either

[wide mountain]

For eris which boon on attack is recommended ?

[true fable]

usually zeus

[mossy zinc]

Lightning Strike.

Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, get t2 and t3 boons from both.

[wide mountain]

But no duo then if zeus is on attack

[mossy zinc]

Doesn't matter.

[bronze viper]

Lol, I was momentarily confused that my Eris clear record on my PC save is 20, but then i realized I think I tried it literally once at 1.0 after the buff and then spammed it at 40 on Switch.

[edgy arrow]

duo good, but don’t worry about it too much

[mossy zinc]

Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish.

[rain sedge]

when baj came in here with his 62 screenshot, I was sure you're gonna quip in with how another guy already did 62 when he's gone

[edgy arrow]

tidal dash isn’t a prereq so it can be hard to get

[wide mountain]

Okay

[true fable]

eris isnt a duos weapon

you scale with big t2s like jolted n stuff

[edgy arrow]

i remember grinding beo for an age trying to get my first 40, then i tried eris one (1) time and cleared it

[bronze viper]

Sea Storm Eris pretty dece

[rain sedge]

did you miss the thing where it's not viable anymore?

[true fable]

its dece but you have to take a dead boon to get it

[edgy arrow]

it’s still good

[rain sedge]

there's a patch that disqualifies tidal dash from getting it

[edgy arrow]

it’s just a massive highroll now

[bronze viper]

Oh lol, what're the prereqs now?

[rain sedge]

not tidal dash

[bronze viper]

gggggg

[true fable]

any poseidon other than tidal dash

core

[edgy arrow]

even flood flare counts lmao

and it doesn’t even work

[true fable]

so tempest strike works 🧠

[rain sedge]

basically now it's kinda like ME

[bronze viper]

I mean, Poseidon's Aid still prereqs, so it's not a huge miss, right?

[rain sedge]

you have 3 components you need to make it "work" and the duo

it's not a huge miss, but it makes it unviable/heavily nerfed where it matters

speedrun --> you get it much later --> huge nerf

[true fable]

time to ride the wave

[gaunt fiber]

can get it with the call

[true fable]

or cast

[rain sedge]

high heat (45+) --> CF2/AP/RI/UC --> you can't get that many boons

[edgy arrow]

i swear this happened to me recently

[bronze viper]

Yeah, it was a nerf for speedrunning to be sure but for heat I'd rather have Poseidon's Aid + Divine Dash anyway (though obv I wouldn't care about Sea Storm at that point :3)

[rain sedge]

I mean I never intentionally fished for sea storm at high heat, but now it's just super noth worth

[gaunt fiber]

Except for beo 🙂 🙂 🙂

[edgy arrow]

maybe i had special as well or something?

[edgy arrow]

wait what

[true fable]

cast can qualify you

[edgy arrow]

cast isn’t a prereq normally but is on beo

[gaunt fiber]

No I mean you will get it

[true fable]

it just wont proc sea storm

[gaunt fiber]

but do you want to

[mossy zinc]

No Sea Storm just means you're more likely to get Splitting Bolt and Second Wave.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[true fable]

it is a prereq normally

[edgy arrow]

pretty sure cast procs sea storm normally

it just doesn’t work with beo

[true fable]

why would you want second wave

also sea storm is still good on beo

[gaunt fiber]

it's orange

[true fable]

its an extra 40-50 damage on strikes and bull rushes

[edgy arrow]

not with the cast part

but ye

[true fable]

well

[mossy zinc]

Second Wave is fun.

[true fable]

i'll take free damage

[edgy arrow]

same yeah

[rain sedge]

I'll take the rare occasion where I agree on nya's hot take

[true fable]

and it scales with double strike, jolted or splitting

[rain sedge]

I like second wave and tempest strike

hits the wall twice

[true fable]

it just doesnt do anything

[rain sedge]

I tried to make that shield + tempest strike build works so bad

[true fable]

just kill them

[edgy arrow]

in what crazy build are you getting splitting bolt on beowulf

[bronze viper]

My favorite is getting Second Wave on the fountain room in Styx. "Thanks for the assist bro. Missed it by that much"

[rain sedge]

but it just doesnt work at bosses 😦

[mossy zinc]

Damn casuals in our high heat channel trying to argue with me. When will it stop.

[gaunt fiber]

Wave pounding huge carry

[rain sedge]

yikesssss

why is it

that when nya says it

[true fable]

just pick up huge catch instead

[rain sedge]

it doesnt sound toxic

or rather it sounds ironically toxic

[true fable]

its more valuable in the long run

[rain sedge]

you have to teach me this art one day nya

[bronze viper]

We've built up an immunity from her textual venom glands

[gaunt fiber]

Ledger

I'm so glad you typed that so I did not have to

[true fable]

its like white noise at this point

[rain sedge]

I need the ability to filter out annoying messages as white noise too

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-descendants3-descendants-mal-ben-gif-15647362

[rain sedge]

but from what I see on stream you're a much more zen person than me

alright, back to work, will @ you all with chiron 47 later

....if no one did 47 before that

[true fable]

bet :^)

[bronze viper]

Just beat the time record with Chiron if so

[edgy arrow]

unrelated but how are we at 47 already

[bronze viper]

(lol)

[edgy arrow]

i thought it would slow down past 40

[mossy zinc]

And that was the last they ever heard from @rain sedge.

[rain sedge]

do me a favour and don't do hestia 47 when I'm gone ok

[true fable]

"time record" "chiron" ok buddy

[edgy arrow]

was planning to get another one in, but it’s in the hands of the legit players now

[mossy zinc]

Just get ME.

[rain sedge]

sir you forgot that AP2 chamber 8 heart rend chiron thing

[true fable]

TRUE

chiron slow

[rain sedge]

alright I'm done with you chiron haters

[true fable]

idc wht you get in chmber 8

[mossy zinc]

Chiron Flurry Shot ME speedrun.

[true fable]

it aint makin chiron a fast weapon

[bronze viper]

I actually tried this. Divine Strike w/ Curse of Pain. I didn't get ME so I can't speak to its efficacy

[edgy arrow]

i don’t hate chiron

[rain sedge]

as a student of achiless, you're hating on his master

y'all are a disgrace

[edgy arrow]

i just hate chiron’s special animation

[rain sedge]

achiless is out there gossiping with pat about your blasphemy

[bronze viper]

There are people from pre-1.0 still in Chiron's special animation, how dare you

[edgy arrow]

but even then, i remember when it was worse

yus indeed

[true fable]

that seems like a rare case when curse if longing would be better ledger

[mossy zinc]

But at least they get to Patroclus faster than Chiron players.

I like Chiron, but fast is not its thing lol.

[edgy arrow]

real talk i actually genuinely enjoy chiron on FO0

[bronze viper]

I may try it for realsies lol. IT won't be good but it'll be sick

[edgy arrow]

i’m just too bad to manage it otherwise

[true fable]

i like chiron if im not asked to kill a lot of things or go fast

its very relaxing that way

[edgy arrow]

yeah exactly

wait are y’all talking doom chiron?

lmao that takes me back

one of the first real “builds” i tried to shoot for in this game was CoL + ME on chiron

athena special, ares attack

[shy plinth]

Merciful end Chiron 👀

[mossy zinc]

I actually threw two Chiron runs at 40 yesterday. Really showed how out of practice I am. Normally, I don't throw anything sub ~45 on Chiron.

[true fable]

what about lightning strike tempest flourish sea storm chiron

[edgy arrow]

i thought it would instantly proc doom a pile of times, because the doom would remain on the target thanks to CoL

rip my dreams

[true fable]

i feel an odd urge to try it

[shy plinth]

I tried this before I knew about the lightning CD

[edgy arrow]

reverse eris: tempest strike and thunder dash

[true fable]

even with CD it's dece damage

[mossy zinc]

Just get Curse of Pain + Divine Flourish, so every arrow in your Volley instantly procs ME.

[true fable]

🧠

[shy plinth]

See that's the plan with lucifer

You put them in an athena orb