or TD3 JS2
#h1-high-heat-strategies
rain sedge
true fable
means you have survival rooms
rain sedge
I mean
true fable
LOL
mossy zinc
Wut? 
ripe crane
deal crepes? We'll watch the strim
I am going to die to traps and lava
rain sedge
HS0
mossy zinc
The challenge doesn't end at the end of the month.
rain sedge
crepes even I got to asterius miniboss, you can do it
ripe crane
I'm still going to dash into enough of them that I will die xd
gaunt fiber
I am going to die to traps and lava
Don't walk in any of them
rain sedge
the AP2 is mostly to prevent greatest reflex
d o i t
your name will forever live in the hall of fame of hades
sly remnant
p sure everyone knows crepes
rain sedge
amir himself will create a new painting from the house contractor with your profile pic
right next to tail "accidentally did 60 heat xD" esque and re "look at this crazy build I did at EM4 50+ heat" trash
sly remnant
ROFL
mossy zinc
I think Cre "I forgot what build I wanted to do at 50, so I just didn't do one" pes should be up there already.
vital grove
Wut? <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
It seems my dog got to the keyboard again and was taunting you. I have evidence.
Poodles are notoriously cunning.
mossy zinc
I think the dog with the tail between his legs now is you. 
sly remnant
OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
gaunt fiber
We all are many things
rain sedge
somebody call an ambulance for that burn
with that, I'm out to go back to "work"
@ me when you start streaming/doing the thing crepes
vital grove
How do you burn a thing that is always on fire
rain sedge
we're rooting for you
halcyon flame
that's not a dog
halcyon flame
that's a god gamer™️
true fable
one of two hestia players i can watch
rain sedge
?
gaunt fiber
Bright I'm no longer a Hestia main
rain sedge
there's another good hestia player?
halcyon flame
don't indirectly diss hestia like that
gaunt fiber
Also I lied on my winrate I'm sorry
true fable
i watch kate
mossy zinc
Everyone is a good Hestia player.
sly remnant
kate good
mossy zinc
How hard can it be to do click boom click boom.
halcyon flame
people who like to use zag rail/delta chamber perhaps
gaunt fiber
@rain sedge
sly remnant
they are entitled to their opinion
halcyon flame
that doesn't change the fact that their opinion is wrong however
gaunt fiber
They specify that the tier list is for 0 heat
vital grove
This is a pretty well respected (I think) Hearthstone content creator / analyst
gaunt fiber
"All of the Hades Weapon Aspect model is math-ed out from first principles. Some of the areas modeled include: Weapon range, area of effect, movements during attack, recovery/animation cancels, forced movements, delays, combos, pre-requisites, animation speed, effects on hits (stagger, boons, bosses, armor), and damage"
That's very interesting
shy gulch
yeah im reading on how they're ranking these
sly remnant
he just doesn't look at anything outside of the raw weapon itself
there is value in this data
shy gulch
i just cant seem to understand how a metric like this is useful
gaunt fiber
Yeah I agree on that too
sly remnant
its useful for understanding what weapons are good without boon/hammer help
vital grove
Beginners should find the most value in this list yet beginners should not be looking at lists.
Maybe if you're doing that ri4 thing
shy gulch
like i think the setting (0 heat) shouldve been in the op to start, since the setting is important in determining whats good or not
sly remnant
to be clear this is a fundamentally flawed list
gaunt fiber
yes
shy gulch
and otherwise im still sort of struggling to see the use in this
all lists are flawed, yeah, that isnt specific to this one
lusty mirage
if he can figure out how to contextualize things the approach might turn out to be useful
shy gulch
its an interesting project
sly remnant
but it is good for understanding what a weapon can do if weapons did not exist
shy gulch
do u mean boons
shy gulch
gotcha lol
gaunt fiber
I'm not a malphon expert or anything but how can you rate Talos higher than Demeter, especially considering hammers?
vital grove
I don't understand how he got there
shy gulch
even if u take away boons or anything
things like rama and demeter should be higher, should they not?
and nemesis' inbuilt 30% crit is extremely powerful
gaunt fiber
Yeah that seems logic
shy gulch
ironically i think a list with this framework would actually be most useful for high heat, where you rarely get to choose your build
vital grove
We were doing a little test the other day on which weapons kill Skelly fastest and of course it was Hestia, Arthur was high up too. He rates both of these pretty high
shy gulch
i still have a lot of disagreements with the ranking of these in this sort of framework though
sly remnant
ye its fundamentally flawed
sly remnant
the talos thing is wild to me
i understand the rest of the tier list and how he got there
i don't understand how talos ended up there
shy gulch
yeah im not gonna watch the vid LOL
lusty mirage
i watched the video about heat
vital grove
I can see how Talos is valued, since it has a large boost to attack and cast
sly remnant
but cast suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks without boons
vital grove
But he does he not value demeter having an ultra nuke
gaunt fiber
Yeah I think they valued the 50% boost waaaay too much
shy gulch
its not super substantial and demeter's inbuilt special nuke seems much more valuable
sly remnant
p sure this guy
is purely looking at numbers
and it turns out
hades isn't an olympian based spreadsheet game
there is value to be clear
but its just fundamentally flawed
vital grove
Also look at this
As for dodge, I've googled this extensively and still cannot find any community testing on whether dodge stacks additively (like damage) or multiplicatively (like damage reduction). I assume multiplicatively because that's how damage reduction works, and nearly every game does it that way to avoid literally invincible builds,
gaunt fiber
F
shy gulch
i dont actually know for sure, dodge is additive right
sly remnant
yes
vital grove
Yes
gaunt fiber
y
vital grove
Yes
sly remnant
we proved it with second wind smouldering air
shy gulch
second wind doesnt stack, does it
halcyon flame
talos... higher than demeter??
vital grove
So he's like I did alllll the research and doesn't even know how dodge works
vital grove
But this gets plastered on reddit and people take it seriously
sly remnant
ye the talos thing is baffling to me
gaunt fiber
to be fair it's very specific and outside of this discord, how would you find out?
sly remnant
i understand how the rest of it fits in
vital grove
But he was in this very discord
vital grove
You can find a few his clears on the spreadsheet for high heat
halcyon flame
wait second wind stacks?
sly remnant
the dodge does
halcyon flame
oh yeah that sorta makes sense really
because dodge chance just stacks on top of itself
like 10% + 20% = 30% or whatever
sly remnant
yep exactly
halcyon flame
if only billowing could stack 😩
sly remnant
i only see one submission from him
and its just a victory screen
to be clear its 32 heat so i believe it
ah nvm
i found his 3 others
it is an interesting way to look at the game
true fable
who is this lol
sly remnant
just fundamentally flawed
true fable
and why are we discussing their tier list
vital grove
Hearthstone analyst
true fable
i see
gaunt fiber
because numbers Bright
true fable
tier lists are always pretty silly
halcyon flame
funny numbers
mossy zinc
If you did your research, and no one in the community who does research knows you, you did not do your research.
true fable
its just ez content
gaunt fiber
I see how this approach can work with Hearthstone
sly remnant
i mean outside of talos if i understand his method correctly i do understand how he arrived at those conclusions
solemn pulsar
ok so i've been following these tier lists, and another data scientist buddy and i think they are fundamentally poor models. he does like 2 hour explanation videos that never actually explain the model itself, and a complex system like hades with RNG and interactions between 100 different things that occur in any run at all, it will not work.
Yes, things like machine learning models are powerful, but they're only as good as the data you put in, and the way you format it to shape an understanding of the system. I don't think there is a way to shape a model of Hades reasonably to create something like this
shy gulch
dang cgull dropped an essay
solemn pulsar
it's supposed to be a "data driven" / mathematical approach, but if you're doing that you have to consider the interactions of all of the subsystems of the game
which these tier lists, kept in vacuums from each other, do not even attempt to do
shy gulch
but yeah agreed
sly remnant
he's ultimately just looking at base numbers on a weapon with no boons
and no hammers
its fundamentally flawed
gaunt fiber
I mean
solemn pulsar
yeah the system is not properly defined
vital grove
And at 0 heat
gaunt fiber
If GY bad, tier list good
mossy zinc
Talos > Eris. You heard it first on reddit.
solemn pulsar
this is basically a tier list of what can smack skelly best
sly remnant
^
halcyon flame
who the hell even cares about tier lists in this game
just get triple bomb and boom lucifer is s tier
gaunt fiber
this is basically a tier list of what can smack skelly best
What he stole @edgy arrow work
edgy arrow
what happen
solemn pulsar
i could get into a really long diatribe about modeling and why i particularly get sort of annoyed at "oh i mathed it out so this is optimal" approaches when so many of those systems that people pay millions of dollars for IRL still suck just as bad
but i wont
vital grove
what happen
Tier list that is basically what you ran on weapons VS skelly
halcyon flame
skelly weapon tier list when
vital grove
Look up
shy gulch
yeah cgull my dad rants to me about that enough already
true fable
lucifer will never be s tier because i frames poopy but god is it fun
sly remnant
it is useful to understand what lies in the base weapon itself. but its not actually useful for underststanding the game at all. and i don't think you needed data to arrive at these conclusions. just time who kills skelly fast
solemn pulsar
yeah cgull my dad rants to me about that enough already
... son?
halcyon flame
"taking into account all the possible damage boosts that can be gained at the courtyard, i have concluded that arthur is the best weapon for killing skelly"
edgy arrow
lol this seems smart and correct
shy gulch
dad....?
solemn pulsar
i guess i can buy you a new computer after all
gaunt fiber
I'm moved
true fable
if you look at raw numbers
an achilles buffed charged spin
is the strongest move
in the game
but clearly
mossy zinc
ok so i've been following these tier lists, and another data scientist buddy and...
This tbh. Just because an algorithm is valid doesn't mean it's sound. They didn't divide by zero, but they also didn't get any meaningful results.
true fable
that is not the case in practice
rain sedge
Did someone say "poorly trained machine learning model that's used by unqualified people so they can say AI!1!1! and get a lot of clicks"?
sly remnant
right
solemn pulsar
I just find it funny that this is like the 3rd or 4th tier list like this, and each of them has been demonstrably wrong
idk how you can even try and tier keepsakes
rain sedge
Because half the "journalism" and "research" that people do relies on that
rain sedge
Source: literally my academic years
gaunt fiber
idk how you can even try and tier keepsakes
I took a quick look at it and yeah same problem
sly remnant
this is a starting point for a conversation and he just completely missed that its a start and treated it as the end
shy gulch
keepsake tier list:
tier 1: whatever fits your build atm
tier bad: what doesnt fit your build atm
done
im a geinus
sly remnant
everything he looked at is only true in the dojo
rain sedge
As long as it can fool people who don't understand how ML work, or people who don't have context on the topic (read: low heaters), he'll continue to get karma/clicks
And that's most people
So why are we giving him the attention?
gaunt fiber
I just read "speedrunners" smh
halcyon flame
smh 8 heat imagine smhsmh 😤
shy gulch
LMAO astaos
rain sedge
Bruh no one who has done 20+ heat at all aspects would agree with that list in any form
shy gulch
i dont do any heat above 9 sorry
mossy zinc
If you want a tier list for low heat that reasonably predicts outcomes, you look at the speedrun leaderboard.
rain sedge
I just read "speedrunners" smh
Sir this is a Wendy's
sly remnant
like i said. i appreciate the look on the base value of a weapon but the game is just far too complex for that. and he certainly didn't need to do a model to arrive at these conclusions
halcyon flame
oh??? you mean you don't do mm/bp1/em3/td3????????????? get outta here smhsmhsmhsmsh
rain sedge
The model is there for the clickbait
sly remnant
outside of talos.....all of his conclusions take about a minute to arrive at
rain sedge
Let me clarify my statement so I sound less toxic
gaunt fiber
Please do
sly remnant
there is a crap ton more variables in a hades run then there are in a hearthstone match
gaunt fiber
can't topdeck in Hades
true fable
well the src leaderboards are also misleading
since submissions are skewed for bad aspects
shy gulch
ye i wouldnt necessarily use src leaderboards
rain sedge
What I'm saying is, if you don't have the knowledge necessary to form a well based opinion, it's best that you don't assert that opinion as fact
true fable
cough arthur
solemn pulsar
the SRC leaderboards don't pretend to be an accurate representation of aspect power though
shy gulch
90% eris 
halcyon flame
what's src?
shy gulch
speedrun dot com
sly remnant
*cough* arthur
KEKW
solemn pulsar
the leaderboard is just ppl goin fast
doesn't rpetend to be an authority on anything
shy gulch
the leaderboard is just ppl giving themselves pain
gaunt fiber
going fast
solemn pulsar
and honestly if you look at the fastest records it's mostly the best weapons
except zag sword
gaunt fiber
away from heat
true fable
and chaos shield
solemn pulsar
dont remind me about chaos shield
rain sedge
I personally hate opinions not based on expertise that's masqueraded as fact, since that's basically the inception of the anti-intellectualism movement
solemn pulsar
no
shy gulch
cgull in shambles
solemn pulsar
charged shot fast
rain sedge
And that tier list is exactly that
gaunt fiber
@rain sedge You're making them look like a demon or something
true fable
im starting to think charged shot may be slightly good
solemn pulsar
I personally hate opinions not based on expertise that's masqueraded as fact, si...
this is different though, it's not even their opinion.
rain sedge
So yeah. Nothing against people who don't play at high heat. Just don't pretend you know everything.
solemn pulsar
they made a model to try and derive objective truth.
my opinion is that it went poorly
rain sedge
Hope that's enough to not get me banned for being toxic
shy gulch
if you havent done 64 heat never speak about this game again
solemn pulsar
anti intellectualism would be like "i don't care what speedrunners or high heat runners say, dark regeneration and abyssal blood is superior!!!"
rain sedge
Exactly why I hate it. They claim it as truth, in fact it's opinion
mossy zinc
well the src leaderboards are also misleading
Yes, but you can make at least somewhat reasonable predictions from that data.
rain sedge
And a badly based one at that
mossy zinc
It's obviously far from perfect.
solemn pulsar
Exactly why I hate it. They claim it as truth, in fact it's opinion
it's not even opinion though. like it'snot the guy's personal opinion masquerading as fact. it's just bad numbers
mossy zinc
But it's a lot more meaningful to look at real world results.
solemn pulsar
his opinion is that the numbers are correct
true fable
its like how in prepatch
rain sedge
XD
true fable
oh
true fable
tyty i try
mossy zinc
Speedrunner discussing speedrunning banned for typing too fast.
shy gulch
LOL
true fable
but yeah there was a moment in 1.0 when zag spear second best
i want to return to those times
rain sedge
It's not about casual or anything btw. It's about basing your statements on knowledge, and knowledge comes from expertise. That's all there is
shy gulch
yeah, you casuals
solemn pulsar
i think croven just meant that to be less toxic, try being more casual
like in your name
true fable
the offices of mr c.m. gull
rain sedge
I get the joke :(
sly remnant
its always good to look at the theory behind something. results oriented thinking is fundamentally flawed. it is however easier to achieve good results than it is to achieve good theory
and this is very very very bad theory
true fable
has anyone tried using ruthless for zag fists
seems like one dash is feasible
considering that one guy did it on 62
gaunt fiber
Bright stop it
true fable
stop what
shy gulch
yeah i think most ppl are critiquing a bad approach / background, tyler
rain sedge
Real talk my zag fist 40 was dodge stacking with plume
gaunt fiber
the endless torment
rain sedge
So ruthless will work there
sly remnant
yeah i think most ppl are critiquing a bad approach / background, tyler
yea i agree but high-heat clears or speedrun clears aren't the bible either
shy gulch
for sure
chaos shield isnt one of the fastest weapons in the game just bc bablo got a 7:04
etc etc
true fable
no
sly remnant
exactly
shy gulch
bright dont say anything
true fable
chaos is one of the fastest aspects because it is quite fast
shy gulch
dont spread ur chaos propaganda
mossy zinc
Why are we still discussing a tier list we all agree we don't care for?
true fable
i was saying chaos was fast before bablo got a 7:04
shy gulch
yeah i knwo which is why im saying stop spreading ur propaganda
true fable
now its even more confirmed
gaunt fiber
Wait, if I bring GY to the highest heat for spear, it does not mean it's the best spear?
shy gulch
it can be best in your heart, astaos
true fable
it already is
gaunt fiber
I genuinely think it's the best
true fable
best in his heart that is
shy gulch
:^)
mossy zinc
Wait, if I bring GY to the highest heat for spear, it does not mean it's the bes...
No, it does mean it's the best if it has the highest Heat.
true fable
how can it be the best when it cant get flurry jab
mossy zinc
That's how it works.
true fable
check mate atheists
shy gulch
preach, bright
gaunt fiber
No, it does mean it's the best if it has the highest Heat.
Ok, that's what I thought. Thanks!
mossy zinc
Why FlurryJab2Ded when you can Spin2Win.
true fable
i would gladly trade in GYs spin for flurry jab
gaunt fiber
Flurry jab is in the spin
true fable
seems good
gaunt fiber
Yeah for like, low heat
mossy zinc
Spin ticks hit faster than Flurry Jab.
gaunt fiber
^ what I actually meant
true fable
not with dash strikes
green citrus
Speedrunner discussing speedrunning banned for typing too fast.
Did you say typing fast?
https://imgur.com/a/M9FXgej
green citrus
Lmaoooo
shy gulch
i thought this channel was only epeen flexing with heat numbers :(
true fable
what website is that
green citrus
Monkeytype
mossy zinc
Okay but. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12_2L5sZGreuR-1MElSpPiVK6893SIq_oXp8AelLVvco/edit?usp=sharing
green citrus
Oh snap, brb
solemn pulsar
true fable
might do some reaction time PB attempts on stream
mossy zinc
Show me a screenshot if you get a top 3 time, otherwise just the number is fine.
mossy zinc
Yes.
lusty mirage
how did i get 3rd tho
gaunt fiber
I can see that, considering youre a fighting game person
How can you explain that she loses against spammers then?
mossy zinc
Well, I have a better reactions than most in the FGC, too. My sensei is way faster than me, though. 
solemn pulsar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790729912163368991/808767261858070569/unknown.png
2nd try was faster
rain sedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790729912163368991/808767261858070569/u...
did you have a video of that or you accidentally forgot to record? 😉
mossy zinc
Monitor lag etc. is a big factor.
true fable
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790729912163368991/808767261858070569/u...
dang could you go into your records room to snap a pic of this run
oops replied to the wrong message
:^)
sly remnant
lmao i love bright
mossy zinc
You don't want to look for response time on monitors. You want to look for input lag. https://displaylag.com/exposed-input-lag-vs-response-time/
solemn pulsar
after it doesn't tell you to "keep going" anymore
green citrus
Oh snap it's average
solemn pulsar
cmon peach
green citrus
lol
green citrus
but dang right?
solemn pulsar
😉
green citrus
🙂
solemn pulsar
getting one good could just mean you pre-clicked and got lucky
gaunt fiber
high heat talk pls
true fable
what if
shy plinth
Are we doing type racing lol
solemn pulsar
60 heat hard
green citrus
high heat talk pls
64 heat ruthless reflex when?
gaunt fiber
64 is not ruthless compatible
true fable
green citrus
solemn pulsar
what needs a buff? you always say it's the best
true fable
^
gaunt fiber
It does not but it won't stop me from wanting one
solemn pulsar
accepting a buff just means you're accepting your own weakness
gaunt fiber
How can I refuse a buff besides not updating my game
sly remnant
astaos the kinda guy to drop a hero when they become meta
gaunt fiber
that won't help imo
rain sedge
you don't think it's the biggest drawback of the weapon?
gaunt fiber
not for 50+
sly remnant
you still ahve to find a way to make it go fast
rain sedge
I guess I don't play it enough to give a good opinion
charged skewer is the way right
mossy zinc
isnt most monitor at 8ms response rate
Monitor input lag also depends on the set refresh rate and other things. The best gaming monitors have around 4ms of input lag at their native resolution and refresh rate. Mine has ~4.4ms according to tests. But you're giving up color accuracy etc. for that kind of input lag. You can definitely tell the difference in fighting games between one with low input lag and a bad or average one, though.
gaunt fiber
But as your main source of damage, nope
rain sedge
that's interesting, I never played a game where this level of input delay matters
but good to know if I ever want to change monitor, thanks
green citrus
Hades can run at 144hz right? I'm kinda hype about eventually upgrading and seeing that difference.
mossy zinc
Yeah, you can run the game at 144 Hz.
rain sedge
I have a 144hz monitor and a GTX 3080, it does not make a difference
shy plinth
Yes
@rain sedge you didn't notice switching from... switch?
Framerate is WAY better on PC
rain sedge
<@!203931754501767168> you didn't notice switching from... switch?
I mean switching from switch was a huge difference
green citrus
I am definitely pushing the frames with my hardware but only running 75hz currently
rain sedge
the 60 to 144 Hz didnt feel different
mossy zinc
I think the pre-rendered animations are at 60 fps, though? I don't really know how they make that work. But 144 Hz should still reduce input lag, either way.
gaunt fiber
<@!203931754501767168> you didn't notice switching from... switch?
You're the hat Schad is going to eat now I'm sure
shy plinth
He's made it very clear
rain sedge
🤤
green citrus
I think the pre-rendered animations are at 60 fps, though? I don't really know h...
Yeah I guess that was more of my question. I figured it may be just rendered at 60 since they intended to make it for switch too
mossy zinc
@green citrus congratulations on 3rd place on the Hades Average Simple Response Time Leaderboard! 🥉
green citrus
Whoo! 🙂 tyty
mossy zinc
Go forth and flex on slower players by casually reacting to FO2 Speeder Greatshield attacks. 
shy gulch
every time we start talking about specs or setups i feel the need to slowly back away
sly remnant
ROFL
true fable
macintosh enjoyer croven
mossy zinc
If you need a better computer or graphics card, just ask a guy who thinks you're cute to buy you one.
shy gulch
macintosh gang 😎
mossy zinc
I think she's doing it wrong.
true fable
D:
toxic
to think the current poseidon wr took place on a macintosh laptop that records at 360p 30fps
lusty mirage
Whoo! 🙂 tyty
took my bronze medal by 1 
sly remnant
nods machintosh good
shy gulch
to think the current poseidon wr took place on a macintosh laptop that records a...
you know it
gaunt fiber
You have the WR Croven?
green citrus
macintosh gang 😎
mACinTosH GaNGg
shy gulch
for poseidon sword yeah
shy gulch
yeah lol pls do something like that to spare your eyes
gaunt fiber
watching 10s of one of your runs is definitely something everyone should do though
mossy zinc
took my bronze medal by 1 <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
🦊 🔄
sly remnant
thats like 90% the reason why i stream since my good computer got taken for work from home
shy gulch
yeah when i was at my parents place i streamed instead of locally recorded
which is why my hestia vids have relatively normal quality
like 360p, but no frame drops
i think
but now that im here i have to locally record so my vids are scuffed
gaunt fiber
it's fine, it's your signature
shy gulch
yeah now that ive moved from keyboard only, i need something to give me personality
mossy zinc
godfundme for @shy gulch?
green citrus
You could maybe buy one of those external M.2s right? Or is it literally just processing/RAM power that chops the videos?
shy gulch
i honestly have no clue, im not super knowledgeable abt this stuff
but i think its processing/ram
i have to keep quality pretty low to make my game not lag
playing + recording takes a toll on my poor laptop
green citrus
Yeah probably that then bummer. I was thinking if you're recording to a different drive it might make a difference but idk, it's a mACinToSh
green citrus
Well then yeah that was my only idea lol.
bronze viper
I got an external ssd, so I can start recording again today hopefully. Not that I'll have too much to record. I doubt I can breach 45h at the moment. So much rust. So much spaghetti.
opal token
If I have an Athena Bonus SD and equip tooth for Elysium, will tooth get used over the Athena SD?
green citrus
Tooth is last in DD order iirc
bronze viper
It is, yeah
opal token
Ah so acorn it is then I think
shy gulch
if you take tooth after you already have extra DD, its last
if you get extra DD after you have tooth equipped, extra DD is last
bronze viper
Didn't know that
Good to know I guess, though I can't imagine it coming up often lol
mossy zinc
Yeah, what the pog frog said.
shy gulch
yeah i realized this after doing a lot of plays w tooth
its actually kind of relevant imo
gaunt fiber
clutch frog
shy gulch
in deciding to take acorn or tooth in elysium
bronze viper
Depends on how likely you think you'll die to rooms vs. boss I guess?
Per health point Acorn has a way higher ceiling at least
shy gulch
so i always take tooth in elysium if i dont have an extra DD
sly remnant
bosses easy
shy gulch
since random rooms can be dangerous, and asterius miniboss is really rough
sly remnant
spearmen scary
shy gulch
but if i already ahve an extra DD, i dont think theres any point to taking tooth
id rather just have acorn
bronze viper
Did something change? It feels like the challenge rating for spears is soooo low. They spawn forever.
shy gulch
i dont think so? im pretty sure spears are still relatively high
well higher than bows or swords
mossy zinc
but if i already ahve an extra DD, i dont think theres any point to taking tooth
Depends on your HP. Low max HP and one DD from Lady Athena can mean you die in 3 hits from Chariots.
shy gulch
my mindset is always trying to preserve that extra dd as long as possible which is why i take acorn usually
mossy zinc
Lucky Tooth will always give you 100 HP, though, unaffected by anything.
Yeah, but if you go into Elysium with 32 HP and one Dash, you'll want that Lucky Tooth to hopefully at least ensure you get to Patroclus and that'll be enough for EM3.
lusty mirage
gaunt fiber
Lmao
green citrus
Damn it lmao
gaunt fiber
How did you die?
mossy zinc
@lusty mirage congratulations on third place! 🥉
halcyon flame
How did you die?
i had epic trippy flare, 4 casts, and scint feast
bronze viper
Lmao are we still tracking that?
halcyon flame
the only thing that was missing was athena (and also poseidon because he refused to show up but arty filled in for him at least)
gaunt fiber
@mossy zinc seems there is a duplicate run on the challenge sheet
sly remnant
athena bad on beo
halcyon flame
athena good on 32 heat
sly remnant
athena bad on beo at any heat
bronze viper
I'm in a meeting, I have a 44 paused in Styx right now. Gonna be mid tier salt if someone beats me to the punch :3
mossy zinc
<@311477984886521856> seems there is a duplicate run on the challenge sheet
No, those are two different NephiOH's. You can see the victory screen link is different.
Specifically, one of the links doesn't work.
opal token
Some thing else I thought of...can you get multiple bonus Athena SD or just 1 at a time
bronze viper
Multiple (2)
halcyon flame
i even got really lucky with arty showing up back-to-back in elysium and then finally giving me fully loaded in styx without having to reroll
bronze viper
And they're DDs
halcyon flame
oh and also i got bad news from hermes in asphodel
sly remnant
lmao it happens
bronze viper
Lies. Literally no one has ever gotten that boon
halcyon flame
i'm literally never gonna have a run like that again and i choked
daring hedge
i threw a 50 heat run that had fully loaded out of tartarus
nearly did this with my splitting bolt zeus dash gilga 50
bronze viper
i'm literally never gonna have a run like that again and i choked
You'll have better 🙂
daring hedge
was one hit away from dying to meg
halcyon flame
the main thing that killed me was probably hades ignoring my shield somehow and hitting me with a skull
daring hedge
:)
true fable
lol
dire steppe
looks like the barrel roll challenge is now inaccessible to normal people
lusty mirage
No, those are two different NephiOH's. You can see the victory screen link is di...
theres duplicate brains on the reaction sheet
gaunt fiber
was dying to heal in lava
F
true fable
because no one cared to push the speed down
sly remnant
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
opal token
So I have fully loaded+chaos Flood Shot, 6 casts right now
I have Blizzard shot duo offered
Is that...terrible with Poseidon sword?
dire steppe
i propose a reverse barrel roll
opal token
Could reroll for mirage
dire steppe
start at 64 heat
daring hedge
we already have someone with their own heat PB as the 43 which is pretty cool
would love to see more people get heat pbs through this tbh
opal token
Blizzard shot Duo with Exit Wounds, but also killing freeze and arctic blast. So provided blizzard shot still lodges...seems good?
bronze viper
I'm counting post 1.37 w/ new eyes as new PBs
true fable
it does not lodge iirc
opal token
Ah yeah that’s a no go then probably...
lusty mirage
would love to see more people get heat pbs through this tbh
my 33 was heat pb for me
gaunt fiber
we already have someone with their own heat PB as the 43 which is pretty cool
Prolly will 
dire steppe
can i have your old eyes
sly remnant
i have never seen it lodge
bronze viper
can i have your old eyes
I actually asked this question. It was no 😦
They're my lenses. The nerve.
dire steppe
wait did you get your eyes removed or something
daring hedge
lol
bronze viper
Lenses replaced for cataract removal surgery. Took like a 5 month break from Hades
dire steppe
if that happened to me i would pickle my old eyeballs
daring hedge
yes ledger has robo-eyes now and he is very powerful
gaunt fiber
64 heat when
dire steppe
banned for botting
gaunt fiber
Bots are fine
bronze viper
good bot
rain sedge
Lenses replaced for cataract removal surgery. Took like a 5 month break from Ha...
alright, Odin
rain sedge
Down to 6 aspects at 32. Or 2 if you don’t consider Spear...
grats! That's a huge achievement
spear is a hard weapon for sure
opal token
Thanks. Yeah dunno what ima do for that one lol
rain sedge
well, if your goal is to push heat/be a better player, I'd learn the aspects
if you just want to clear it at 32 and don't care how, there's some cheeses
true fable
have you heard about our lord and savior, flurry jab?
agile obsidian
Dam it I keep dying to hades at 32 heat
rain sedge
flurry jab + lightning strike on zag and achilless, it's free
agile obsidian
Idk why bcs normally hes not even the hardest boss for me
rain sedge
explosive + charged skewer for hades spear
charged skewer for GY and press special for 20 minutes
call it a day
shy gulch
you can also go cast build for achilles, 32 heat is lenient enough for that
guan yu i personally slapped dem on attack and stumbled my way into quick spin + massive spin
agile obsidian
explosive + charged skewer for hades spear
I thought aspect of hades was focused araound a spin build
shy gulch
that was really fun
sly remnant
32 heat phalanx shot achilles is slow but will definitely get you there
rain sedge
I thought aspect of hades was focused araound a spin build
well, if your goal is to push heat/be a better player, I'd learn the aspects
if you just want to clear it at 32 and don't care how, there's some cheeses
daring hedge
i'd prob recommend serrated on hades over charged skewer and exploding launcher just because the latter forces you to have an awkward special for a long time
since you need skewer first
rain sedge
32 heat phalanx shot achilles is slow but will definitely get you there
if you wanna high roll the lightning phalanx I think hunting blade is better, no?
sly remnant
ye but athena is good for safety
bronze viper
Neat, submitted
rain sedge
real
or you can start artemis and either get hunting blades or uh the seeking meme beam
sly remnant
to be clear its slow but quite serviceable for jsut the clear
rain sedge
I think serrated for someone who has difficulty with spear is just hard, -25% dash + unsafe game play
true fable
theres a lot of good casts out there
sly remnant
to be clear its slow but quite serviceable for jsut the clear
this is also just athena in general
rain sedge
theres a lot of good casts out there
yeah I think this is the one
pick any cast you like
true fable
serrated is actually very safe if you time your dash strikes later
agile obsidian
I like serrated
daring hedge
yeah, serrated comes out in a burst and you don't have to dash-strike for every dash
true fable
like you can separate the dash and the strike inputs a lot
agile obsidian
Especially with plus dashes from hermes
rain sedge
I think my hades 40 was serrated? I can't remember
true fable
theres like a 0.5 s window
rain sedge
didn't feel that bad, you might be right
shy gulch
yeah serrated gives quite a good window actually
rain sedge
still feel like at 32 explosive skewer feels easier tho
shy gulch
well maybe its just spear dash strike in general
agile obsidian
I died to hades with serrated at 32 but im just bad and it feels really good
shy gulch
launcher lets u play at a safer distance which is nice
daring hedge
but the dash distance penalty can be kinda harsh in situations where you do want actual distance
like EM4 
wide quest
whats a good 40 heat setup?? im too scared to mess with things
ive done 32 and i wanna use chiron or rama
rain sedge
just screenshot the victory screen
bronze viper
whats a good 40 heat setup?? im too scared to mess with things
ive done 32 and i...
Rama can do anything, whatever you're most comfy with. Chiron, you have to pick single target damage (no JS) or AoE (hangover, no CP)
daring hedge
chiron and rama are both pretty good for 40, just pick whichever you're more comfortable with
agile obsidian
Honestly just pick whichever weapon you are most comfortable with
true fable
chiron on 40 is still pretty zzz in my opinion as long as you dont crank up JS or TD
rain sedge
chiron or rama is great choice tbh
wide quest
so hl1, lc1, cf2, em2, hs1, ri1, the blue heart one i forgot the name of at 2, bp2, mm, js2/3 i forget
daring hedge
Honestly just pick whichever weapon you are most comfortable with
i say this to people who come asking what the best weapons are and they hate me for it
but it's true
they're all viable
wide quest
and like maybe a couple more i forgot
agile obsidian
Yes it really worked for me
rain sedge
TD3 on chiron wasn't even the worst TD3 aspect at 40 for me
wide quest
oh and td1
agile obsidian
See if you can do LC4 and heal using SD
rain sedge
so hl1, lc1, cf2, em2, hs1, ri1, the blue heart one i forgot the name of at 2, b...
this is
such a weirdchamp pact
wide quest
is it??
rain sedge
you'll get 40 easy with the right pact
shy gulch
i dont think thats too weird honestly
agile obsidian
dam HS oof
shy gulch
well RI1
daring hedge
hl1 at 40 is kinda weird ngl
sly remnant
agree with play whats comfy
rain sedge
sir, it's an RI1 JS3 and LC1
shy gulch
is bad
rain sedge
and is that HS just to flex?
bronze viper
HL1 is because of hell mode if I had to guess
shy gulch
JS3 is fine depending on TD level
rain sedge
whatever someone give him the right pact, @ me when he got it first try in 20 mins
daring hedge
yeah, i just mean you could def put more points there especially by 40 i think
running with no HL is gonna make pushing heat more needlessly hard
sly remnant
HL5 is far safer than FO2
daring hedge
and you can form bad habits
shy gulch
i would def take off RI1 though, dark foresight and rerolls are really useful
true fable
you definitely can lose if nothing does damage if nothing ever dies though
and if youre
on a tight deadline
bronze viper
You virtually never want to take RI1. RI0 or RI2 are your best bets
shy gulch
yeah, and for 40, always RI0
wide quest
i would def take off RI1 though, dark foresight and rerolls are really useful
i get my rerolls from keys :3
true fable
know what im gonna say it, RI1 is pretty comfy at 50 heat
wide quest
since theres a lot of em
shy gulch
RI2 i dont think you should take until high 40s or 50
true fable
its like RI2 except i have twice as much health to start
shy gulch
the 4 you start with are very useful
sly remnant
dark foresight is OP
true fable
:^)
agile obsidian
But the rarity of the boon can be pretty big
shy gulch
wow bright ur so big brain
agile obsidian
But honestly if your fine with it do it
true fable
yeah dark foresight is busted
daring hedge
RI2 makes tartarus legit scary at high heat
true fable
thats the biggest thing you lose
shy gulch
tartarus is terrifying at high heat to me ngl
true fable
SD reviving at 15 health 
sly remnant
RI2 makes tartarus legit scary at high heat
p sure it always is
gaunt fiber
Pick whatever Guan Yu aspect and you'll be fine
shy gulch
bp2 witches ;_;
true fable
or 8 if youre astaos
agile obsidian
Check the pinned message for easy 32 build(it worked for me) and add on whichever you feel comfortable with
wide quest
bp2 witches ;_;
ive been screwed by wayy to many bs bp2 rolls
gaunt fiber
or 8 if youre astaos
Yeah that's a bit sad
rain sedge
imagine rezzing to single digit HP
@gaunt fiber
daring hedge
like i dunno doing arthur 50s and having 100 health even with RI2? that was so swanky
agile obsidian
I was doing GY 32 and had collar on in asphodel and once I left asphodel and took it off for acorn, I left with 1 health
daring hedge
it's good
shy gulch
tailesque approved
rain sedge
I did RI2 on arthur 40, felt good
daring hedge
lmao
sly remnant
LMFAO
shy gulch
LOL
true fable
to be the best high heat player again
shy gulch
bright has no mercy
opal token
I don’t get the joke. I wanna be in on it
shy gulch
why is this channel jsut full of bullies
gaunt fiber
He keeps going
daring hedge
wump trust me you don't wanna know
opal token
Lol
true fable
although theres someone in the speedrunning discord who has a 63 heat clear :^)
north dove
need to shake the rust off with a casual 62 heat run
shy gulch
ez
daring hedge
lol
sly remnant
KEKW retrash
true fable
apparently you should be running HL4 JS2 RI4
green citrus
I did RI2 on arthur 40, felt good
RI2 on Arthur is definitely easier than most aspects. I am running it to set my 40 heat record I think. Just haven't gotten great rng yet
true fable
thats how they did it
sly remnant
ROLFMAO
true fable
or HS0
sly remnant
LKASJD;LIHAGA;
true fable
those traps can be pretty dangerous
daring hedge
extremely normal almost-max-heat pacts
sly remnant
galaxy brain meme
sly remnant
that is what i do
but its for a paltry 50 clear
50 heat has kinda become normalized in this channel
agile obsidian
😦
wide quest
has anyone cleared 64 heat yet??
true fable
tailesque blindfolded 50 heat when
daring hedge
hmm time to train on audio cues with rama
agile obsidian
Same
sly remnant
and he wasn't even playing my weapon
rain sedge
tailesque blindfolded 50 heat when
didnt haelian do this?
opal token
1 handed 50 Heat when, Tail?
true fable
mouse only 50 heat would be something
gaunt fiber
hmm time to train on audio cues with rama
Does this help?
daring hedge
oh i thought of one handed controller first which maybe would be difficult huh
astaos i don't understand
sly remnant
one day
i hope to hear the sound of rama charging up
and finishing its charge
but until then
daring hedge
music to my ears
sly remnant
i will hear "bwaaaAAAAAA-butterfly"
gaunt fiber
Do the sound cues help for Rama or it was a joke because you can't really hear or something
sly remnant
you can tell tail is a rama player
gaunt fiber
You can always ask to the 62 guy
sly remnant
because the spots that he picks to stand in are prime
daring hedge
bright even said i play other weapons like rama lmao
sly remnant
lmao yea you can tell
rain sedge
because the spots that he picks to stand in are prime
this is what I need to learn from his 50 eris clear
I do not think about positioning well enough to clear 56
true fable
yeah you know eris doesnt shoot powershots right tail?
daring hedge
lmao
lusty mirage
@gaunt fiber you did a 45 yesterday right? barrel roll available
gaunt fiber
It works?
lusty mirage
less than 24h ago is ok
north dove
you guys need to pump those numbers up
green citrus
No
green citrus
It's been like a week and some days and this thing already at 45 heat lmao
opal token
The one time I tried Hera bow with Blown Kiss it seemed super awkward. Am I wrong that I don’t want to try that again?
green citrus
Yeah it's not good
rain sedge
you guys need to pump those numbers up <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>
retrash has entered the game
monkaS
idle bronze
fml, trying a 32 heat run and it's hard
gaunt fiber
I did not mean to barrel roll with this run tho
green citrus
Blow kiss makes the cast do weird things on castspects
opal token
Thanks
true fable
sea storm rama baby
daring hedge
i never saw this but it sounds hilarious
sly remnant
someone have a pic?
shy gulch
i can try and find it
sly remnant
i didn't actually see the victory screen
gaunt fiber
oh god i forgot the 63 heat thing
Tell me the story
solemn pulsar
so
shy gulch
i got the pic
shy gulch
i'll dm tyler and tail
solemn pulsar
BEAT OYU
rain sedge
Tell me the story
"people would do absolutely anything for clout" - Bright
that's the story
gaunt fiber
True
solemn pulsar
but they posted the sub 9
and their victory screen shows 63 heat clear
we were like "explain???"
shy gulch
to be fair getting sub 9 with this in itself is ridiculous
true fable
it appears the message has been deleted
solemn pulsar
never returned
solemn pulsar
so bright it looks like that bc they're no longer in the server
i checked, i have 0 common servers with them
gaunt fiber
Sub 9 tempest strike?
solemn pulsar
lol
gaunt fiber
Oh
true fable
tailesque second best rama player
gaunt fiber
Ok there is nothing right on the screen
rain sedge
so many red flags
gaunt fiber
Keepsake, hp, boons
rain sedge
I didn't see the original post
true fable
add up the clears
green citrus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/804616129393590302/H...
It's also 1300 gold and 0 health lost lol
mossy zinc
theres duplicate brains on the reaction sheet
#h1-high-heat-strategies out of context quotes.
daring hedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/804616129393590302/H...
LOL
solemn pulsar
tail did that guy ever resurface?
true fable
look at the mirror
rain sedge
this is a cheat that lets you take 0 damage I think
daring hedge
nope he dipped after he got called out
shy gulch
LOL
mossy zinc
@lusty mirage fixed. Thanks!
sly remnant
nice
solemn pulsar
also that would imply that the 63 heat clear was either part of a STREAK, or one of their first 4 clears
which, uhhh
sly remnant
what i don't understand is
solemn pulsar
also so few boons
daring hedge
repulse shot s tier
sly remnant
its obvious
solemn pulsar
could be a new save but still
ello save still shows 50 clears base
true fable
add up the clears per weapon
shy gulch
oh true
solemn pulsar
LOL
opal token
Exit wounds Hera is good, yes?
gaunt fiber
Lmao the Tailesque debunk
rain sedge
Exit wounds Hera is good, yes?
yes
gaunt fiber
"yeah I'll post a vid"
gaunt fiber
Cheating on a solo game and being proud about it
sly remnant
i've seen some other screenshots recently that are obviously the result of cheating and such. and they were more subtle than this guy
true fable
"we take HL5 because it makes resets faster"
gaunt fiber
Oh nice pact indeed
mossy zinc
HL5 is the freeest heat if you don't get hit, and it unlocks Infernal Gates in Tartarus. That's the strategy.
rain sedge
I mean, imagine you're a 12 year old (or mentally equivalent). You find a discord with 20k members. You don't understand that people can find out you're cheating so easily
gaunt fiber
Idk if people do it but I take Erebus in any heat
daring hedge
LOL
rain sedge
So you just post it, because you don't understand it's that obvious
true fable
i take erebus for athena in multiweaps
sly remnant
Idk if people do it but I take Erebus in any heat
so do i but i think its bad
rain sedge
happens a lot. Now scale it up a bit, and you find out why people cheat in games
sly remnant
lets not dox the guy
solemn pulsar
probably not him anyway
sly remnant
or witch hunt
solemn pulsar
was just the same name
true fable
their twitch stream isnt really doxxing is it
solemn pulsar
i just wanted to see if they streamed hades
sly remnant
witch hunt then
gaunt fiber
D e l e t e d
solemn pulsar
i'm not tryna hunt anyone down lol
mossy zinc
You can't find +2 poms in normal chambers in Tartarus.
true fable
but also im p sure they had some hades content on there that was somewhat subpar
yeah the +2 poms can be nice
rain sedge
You can't find +2 poms in normal chambers in Tartarus.
hold up, what?
sly remnant
she means erebus gates
solemn pulsar
^erebus gates have +2 poms
green citrus
Crap thing about Erebus in speerunning is that it runs your timer right for the first like 10 seconds before spawning enemies
shy gulch
yeah exactly peachhead
solemn pulsar
the no mirror thing on the 63 heat clear was pretty damning @daring hedge . At least complete an RI4 run so you can have an accurate screenshot lol
shy gulch
no rooms normally offer big poms in tartarus
sly remnant
ye erebus gates in anyheat are a big gamble
shy gulch
only natural big poms are in styx
solemn pulsar
erebus gate in tartarus = maybe ok
after that
AAAAA
mossy zinc
Bright01: in anyheat you just reset until that erebus thing appears in a normal chamber
me: You can't find +2 poms in normal chambers in Tartarus.
@rain sedge
green citrus
It's worth it maybe if you're building ME but