(if you reset for lightning attack)
#h1-high-heat-strategies
sly remnant
dog scary
edgy arrow
was on pace to beat you tho
sly remnant
make more with less
gaunt fiber
i'm not a speedrunner lol
Welcome to the gang
sly remnant
its cool for optimizing
edgy arrow
i'm still pretty sloppy with beo so its good practice yeah
i only make progress in heat stuff by pure stubbornness
sly remnant
ye that was me too
i quit pushing heat because the things i learned about the weapon was just much slower
turns out when you only get to elysium once every 20 runs you get real bad at elysium
mossy zinc
So far, so good. https://imgur.com/a/dYwWUdF https://imgur.com/a/Y3eJyNQ
gaunt fiber
Overtime F
gaunt fiber
Well, you find Aphrodite
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite is always on my side. 💗
gaunt fiber
And get the attack boon
mossy zinc
I also have Sweet Surrender.
sly remnant
i think as long as you get some nice rooms asphodel very beatable
gaunt fiber
Yeah Aspho be small
mossy zinc
There's no BP in this pact.
gaunt fiber
Ez enemies pact
gaunt fiber
It's LC4 tho
mossy zinc
I have 1 HP lol. Thanks, off-screen Wavemakers.
shy plinth
Nyaa too stronk
mossy zinc
Alright, time to do something else.
sly remnant
35 hp is not much when you have lava and enemies constantly jumping to the other side of the world
still tho
gaunt fiber
One dash is the main issue I'd say
gaunt fiber
Alright, time to do something else.
You can do it. 
mossy zinc
FO2 JS3 Bloodless with 1 off-screen-all-the-time Wavemaker lol.
rain sedge
the LC4 RI4 is unplayable, even on hestia
I tried it on 33
without AP2 I might go further, but I don't think I can finish it
sly remnant
GY unironically not that phased by LC4 RI4
rain sedge
it's the one pact config where GY pulls ahead of other aspects
gaunt fiber
One of many
rain sedge
the year is 2025. Hades is still the #1 game in speedrun.com, and is now played competitively. Astaos, after his 10,000th run on GY, managed to complete 64 heat on it. Astaos is the best player on Hades world cup, narrowly beating Tailesque on the 64 heat grand final.
opal token
Epic Different league...do I value this at all or is it like Bronze Skin where it’s just poop? I find 15%
Seems decent
gaunt fiber
Epic Different league...do I value this at all or is it like Bronze Skin where i...
Don't sell it
wanton plover
wump did u see i finished your suggested build :)
gaunt fiber
Some people had problems
rain sedge
Epic Different league...do I value this at all or is it like Bronze Skin where i...
in no situation is 15% damage reduction "just poop", in any game
it's a really good boon
wanton plover
mossy zinc
Different League is really good.
opal token
wump did u see i finished your suggested build :)
You did? Lol. Is it in Victory boasting
wanton plover
yes
sly remnant
more like bad aphro player
bad everything player
rain sedge
don't be like that tyler 😭
sly remnant
what did you do
to be clear i'm meme'ing a bit but its mostly frustration with rate of progress on the weapon
rain sedge
Omg you did 40 Heat Arthur with Dio strike rofl
wtf
mossy zinc
Man, I play so bad. Lack of practice is definitely showing.
rain sedge
- congrats 2) ping me the victory screen
rain sedge
to be clear i'm meme'ing a bit but its mostly frustration with rate of progress ...
yeah I'm aware of the irony
you should break the beo WR
edgy arrow
its not about proving stuff
sly remnant
this is the frustration
edgy arrow
its a service to the community
rain sedge
Man, I play so bad. Lack of practice is definitely showing.
you should do 50+ at current patch
edgy arrow
beo deserves better than 51
shy plinth
You could change your name to tylerhk52
mossy zinc
I actually don't really care about doing 50+ or I would have done that already.
edgy arrow
but like at the same time if i do that grind how much am i going to learn
that's fair
lusty mirage
the year is 2025. Hades is still the #1 game in speedrun.com, and is now played ...
i was thinking 64 gy would be "winning the game of Hades" but I guess it would really be all aspects at 64
sly remnant
i mean i think there is a reason no one is really pushing heat right now
edgy arrow
particularly on beo lol
sly remnant
at some point it stops being that productive
rain sedge
i mean i think there is a reason no one is really pushing heat right now
I mean the reason is tail did 60, and no one want to grind higher
I'm pushing 54 hestia/56 eris just for a lark
but yeah, pushing heat stops being fun, because at higher heat luck plays a higher role, and trying to be lucky is way less fun than being good
true fable
what happened
sly remnant
arbitrary heat number is only so interesting
true fable
i keep getting phantom pings
gaunt fiber
But speedrunners exist
sly remnant
speedrun discoveries happen a lot faster than high heat discoveries
its why people can put up with the grind a bit more
they are both grinds to be clear
gaunt fiber
So we need more grinders
sly remnant
like i would have contributed more to beo as a weapon if i stopped doing 50 as soon as i found flood flare beo
but i felt the need to clear arbitrary heat number
gaunt fiber
Meanwhile my highest is 44
rain sedge
i keep getting phantom pings
I pinged you, can't you see?
rain sedge
Meanwhile my highest is 44
didn't you promise me to start streaming 50 GY
wanton plover
i know wump said to do dio attack but the real mvp was poseidon
with call and rupture and dash
gaunt fiber
In 30 min max
sly remnant
k ping me when you do
mossy zinc
speedrun discoveries happen a lot faster than high heat discoveries
There's also the fact that even if you don't get a new record, you actually win your runs 99% of the time (disregarding deliberate resets).
green citrus
@gaunt fiber did you see Bablo's Guan Yu? Holy
mossy zinc
Whereas at high heat, you can spend days dying in Tartarus. Not a lot of people who can enjoy that.
gaunt fiber
<@!238040913715265537> did you see Bablo's Guan Yu? Holy
when what how
gaunt fiber
F
rain sedge
7:42, it just got verified on SR
@proud jay sir this is not okay
I gotta watch that run
proud jay
arthur?
green citrus
Nah your Guan Yu
proud jay
ah, the 1.0 time
green citrus
OH it's 1.0 lol
proud jay
i submitted a few WRs i had forgotten
green citrus
Yeah my b haha
proud jay
GY can go pretty fast, it's just terrible to get going
mossy zinc
When you set so many WRs you forget to even bother uploading them.
Not something I can relate to.
proud jay
it's all the editing and uploading before submitting that makes me forget
rain sedge
ah yes, imagine being so successful you forgot some of your successes
lusty mirage
what are we thinking the odds are on Unimarobj actually having cleared 62 heat?
mossy zinc
it's all the editing and uploading before submitting that makes me forget
Yeah, I haven't uploaded most of my 40+ runs in 1.0 because of that, actually. I often don't bother recording even.
sly remnant
what are we thinking the odds are on Unimarobj actually having cleared 62 heat?
wait what
gaunt fiber
the odds?
mossy zinc
Well, 1.3whatever now.
lusty mirage
like if you were going to bet if it were true or not
gaunt fiber
Oh
sly remnant
i'm not gonna believe it without a video
gaunt fiber
Would someone like, boast without proof for 2 minutes of virtual glory?
sly remnant
who is this player?
green citrus
Would someone like, boast without proof for 2 minutes of virtual glory?
It's the internet
So yes
gaunt fiber
Yeah I guess lmao
proud jay
what's this 62 heat nonsense
sly remnant
ye i'm not aware of this 62 hype
lusty mirage
switch player showed up claiming they had done it, but didn't have any proof on hand
proud jay
might have confused it with 32
rain sedge
mmm yea gonna pass on that
edgy arrow
obviously i wasn't there, but i skimmed through that convo and they somehow thought max heat was 65
rain sedge
is there even a screenshot of the victory screen
edgy arrow
which is a frankly baffling mistake to make if they were actually doing clears at that level
rain sedge
it's not like you can cheat or seed or route on switch, so if there's a victory screen, I'm more inclined to believe
sly remnant
ye is there even a victory screen
gaunt fiber
I kinda agree with that statement mr. why
rain sedge
well actually
rain sedge
you can cheat on PC
proud jay
why couldn't you route on switch
rain sedge
cross save it
mossy zinc
They said they'll upload a screenshot when they get home from work.
rain sedge
load it on switch, screenshot it
gaunt fiber
See that sweet 62 with M A L P H O N
rain sedge
why couldn't you route on switch
I thought the routing mechanism requires a mod or something
green citrus
Well if it's Switch, hard to record
dire steppe
I thought the routing mechanism requires a mod or something
it doesn't require it
sly remnant
lmfao bablo
edgy arrow
my thought was that they might have 80% god mode on or something
daring hedge
they also said they cleared 62 three times, with two of those runs having RI4 active
green citrus
WAT
rain sedge
yeah I'm gonna pass on that
dire steppe
you can do light routing with just memory
green citrus
Yeah nah
sly remnant
LMFAO
daring hedge
not saying it definitively didn't happen but it's. hm.
proud jay
we've all been there
shy gulch
😔
gaunt fiber
I trust you Peach
rain sedge
I mean
dire steppe
i streaked 25 aspects at 75 heat but no one was watching my stream
rain sedge
I'll eat a hat if there's a semblance of proof it's true
dire steppe
you could watch the vod but it got removed because of illegal music
shy plinth
Oh noooooo
green citrus
You mean the amount of darkness I have isn't heat?
gaunt fiber
But just wait for the screen, there's no point debating yet
rain sedge
like even cheating
I suppose some switches can be modded?
I seem to remember there are special switches that you can gameshark on or something
dire steppe
even 80% god mode 62 heat with ri4 would be some stuff
edgy arrow
yeah true
rain sedge
yeah that's what I said
edgy arrow
the RI4 is the really baffling part lol
rain sedge
well tbh, I bet tail could easily do 80% god mode 62
green citrus
and then play the route on switch
Who wants to do that though?
daring hedge
even 80% god mode 62 heat with ri4 would be some stuff
didn't even consider god mode here, that could be a possibility
gaunt fiber
Even routed would be amazing
dire steppe
even routed with 80% godmode lol
rain sedge
LC2, call it a day
sly remnant
i want to do a max heat beo route
edgy arrow
even routed with 80% godmode lol
i mean, that's straight up doable
edgy arrow
i'd believe that for sure
dire steppe
you know, remember that guy who did drunken strike fo2 arthur for his first 32 heat
gaunt fiber
There's no god mode in hell mode
rain sedge
80% DR is like, 5x your max HP, and 5x your base healing effectively
dire steppe
we found out he was on god mode right
but here's the thing, it was 20% god mode
which means he did that on his first try
LOL
edgy arrow
i mean, he said it was 20%
edgy arrow
i personally feel like it was prolly higher
shy plinth
gaunt fiber
Schad you still need to eat a hat if I clear 50
rain sedge
I do
gaunt fiber
Good
edgy arrow
there's not going to be many hats left around here if this is legit
shy plinth
How do I avoid consumption
dire steppe
i will never even clear 40 lol
mossy zinc
I don't think it's good manners to talk like this. Give them a chance to post a screenshot and just shut up until then.
gaunt fiber
How do I avoid consumption
Pray for me to have a stroke or something
rain sedge
alright I go eat and shower, cya all
mossy zinc
Please don't eat RidiculousHat when you eat hats. I need him for the spreadsheets.
edgy arrow
I don't think it's good manners to talk like this. Give them a chance to post a ...
that's pretty fair
lusty mirage
ok if queen of mean is calling it out it must be
gaunt fiber
I said that without the shut up part
so I was wrong
everyone shut the hell up, dont @ me
dire steppe
would anyone even believe me if i said i did 50 heat
gaunt fiber
Nope
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber 1. Be kind.
sly remnant
anyone else seeing the irony
rain sedge
we all do
sly remnant
she is
gaunt fiber
Not that my programming allows lying anyway
Ok so kind of unrelated
I have a weird problem with sound settings with streamlabs
If I ever touch my mic it simply explodes
mossy zinc
That has absolutely nothing to do with high heat strategies. 
mossy zinc
No, it is not me.
lusty mirage
ok new question, what are the odds that someone beats Bright01's barrel roll time?
sly remnant
ok new question, what are the odds that someone beats Bright01's barrel roll tim...
not
its safe
gaunt fiber
No, it is not me.
mossy zinc
lol no it's not safe.
sly remnant
people have to start taking bad pacts
lusty mirage
someone could do Eris 40 faster than that
dire steppe
what’s the barrel roll on now, 45?
mossy zinc
@daring hedge just hasn't joined the fun yet.
sly remnant
ye but its gonna get heated out soon
mossy zinc
It's at 40 now.
mossy zinc
ye but its gonna get heated out soon
But he'll beat it at 50+.
sly remnant
Kappa
shy plinth
@gaunt fiber what do you mean explodes
gaunt fiber
saturation
shy plinth
Does it do the same thing in other apps
edgy arrow
we should get sub 10 before it goes above 40 imo
shy plinth
Usually I recommend turning mic recording volume down to 95 in windows settings
edgy arrow
otherwise its gonna get hard
sly remnant
i agree but people keep pushing the heat
edgy arrow
yeah
gaunt fiber
Does it do the same thing in other apps
Mic is usually low
edgy arrow
to be fair i've contributed to that
shy plinth
I'll dm you lol
gaunt fiber
thanks mr hat
sly remnant
its easier to do heat +1 than go faster when someone puts up a good time
12-13 minutes seems to be the limit of people trying
edgy arrow
i realised after i dropped my 40 that i should've beaten Lili's 39
would've been doable with some grinding
edgy arrow
then i could've boasted that i beat Lili
sly remnant
because if we push it much higher its gonna be hestia city
mossy zinc
i realised after i dropped my 40 that i should've beaten Lili's 39
Yeah, but @sly remnant would have dropped 40 before you did that lol.
edgy arrow
okay we need to make a pact; no adding to the heat until there's a really good time at the current one
lusty mirage
barrel roll challenge has been a lot of fun, nice one Nyaa, Hat, and Tail
lusty mirage
i told a lot of people about it that had no idea it existed
dire steppe
a pact of punishment
edgy arrow
people are real bad at looking at pins lol
lusty mirage
there's an extra fun element to it when mutliple people are streaming it at the same time
and then the offline grinder pops the heat up by 1
sly remnant
that was me yessterday
i streamed it for 6 hours yesterday
i think i held it for a total of like.....30 minutes
lusty mirage
i was too but for less time. sadly i'm in over my head at 40 heat at this point
edgy arrow
i feel like this could be a semi regular thing
just reset back to zero every so often and start again
sly remnant
monthly reset would be cool
shy plinth
Yeah
sly remnant
and i think people would be better about not turning the heat up so fast next time
edgy arrow
agreed yeah
sly remnant
aspect rotation would be cool
sly remnant
eternal rose for aphro and hera for marriage
what about
monthly weapon weekly aspect
shy plinth
🤔
sly remnant
so like march is spear
lusty mirage
already have aspect of the week for speedrunning
sly remnant
week one is zag
edgy arrow
there could be additional challenges (like the rose thing, or zag aspects) that're optional, but if you do a run with them it can barrel-roll a run without them
sly remnant
week two achilles
edgy arrow
could help keep the heat from rising too fast
sly remnant
ye i was experimenting with different aspects but then it got so effin sweaty i gave up and just went with what i knew
edgy arrow
i feel like less people will participate if certain aspects are mandatory
sly remnant
fair
sly remnant
the thing is
for it to work i think
everyone has to agree to not get the heat to 40 in.....a week
edgy arrow
lmao true
lusty mirage
i had a 29 pre done, went to sleep it was on 27, woke up it was on 30
barrel rolled in my dreams
shy plinth
Hrrrrrm
Should we cross-pollinate to the speedrun disc
This disc is much more focused on heat
Maybe we could get better results by involving people used to zoomies
edgy arrow
that could work
edgy arrow
yeah
sly remnant
but maybe after a reset
mossy zinc
barrel roll challenge has been a lot of fun, nice one Nyaa, Hat, and Tail
Thanks!
lusty mirage
the speed version would want to be different i think, like you can keep inserting faster runs under the lower heat
mossy zinc
I wasn't aware people are streaming the challenge. That's pretty cool.
lusty mirage
even if the heat went up
shy plinth
Yeah it is a bit late for this month
But I think for future months this is worth running back
It's been far and away our most visible and popular challenge
sly remnant
waht about
shy plinth
And since the automation and structure is there it would be very easy to set up
sly remnant
a 2 heat a day limit
edgy arrow
i was thinking something similar
dire steppe
but how will we get to 64 then
edgy arrow
lol we're not getting to 64
mossy zinc
Well, it's a Tailesque challenge, so obviously times would be superseded by higher heat. That's just how it goes. You end up beating somebody's time at 53 Heat or whatever, and Tailesque goes and does 54 Heat, and nobody looks at your 53 anymore.
edgy arrow
2 heat/day is more than we'll use
sly remnant
sure but i think putting some brakes on it could allow more casual people to participate
we out-heated almost the entire discord at large by week one
mossy zinc
We'll have more challenges that are more casual friendly.
edgy arrow
and also help it go on for more of the month, rather than skyrocket up to where 90% of the community are spectators at best
idk I like the challenge Nyaanyaa
just throwing ideas around
shy plinth
It's going to be difficult to rein it in
I think pushing heat is a pretty natural progression and speed less so
And the barrier for completion even at heats that are lower for us can get pretty significant really quickly
What % of people have even done a 16
True Steam Achievements claims 17%
edgy arrow
yeah that's super cool
green citrus
Some people beat their PB with the challenge
We boutta see on this 40 heat
shy plinth
But I think trying to artificially keep it low to prolong it needs to be done carefully
So we don't suck the fun out of it
gaunt fiber
@sly remnant about to beat mine 
shy plinth
I do like the idea of multiple weapons or multiple clears per heat before advancing or a daily limit
mossy zinc
It's a challenge that goes up all the way to 64 in theory.
sly remnant
Once it becomes hestia city I'm out
edgy arrow
even just a simple rule like "you can't barrel-roll with heat twice in a row" would help
sly remnant
I can't compete with hesta times
mossy zinc
Or you could beat them with Hestia. 
mossy zinc
Beat them so bad they give up on the aspect.
wanton plover
lol
mossy zinc
Like Tailesque did with Rama.
sly remnant
Idk ill think about it
I dont love pushing heat
But this challenge has been good for getting me used to high heat again
Maybe I'll finally do that beo 54
edgy arrow
yusssss
sly remnant
I said maybe
edgy arrow
i mean, no pressure
green citrus
Beo 60 when
edgy arrow
i just like watching high heat beo and there isn't much of it
sly remnant
Beo 60 when
Never
edgy arrow
lmao 60
green citrus
🙃 \
sly remnant
Not by me at least
edgy arrow
my brain hurts even thinking about beo 60
sly remnant
I think 57 is the end for beo
wanton plover
after playing arthur i realize how garbage zag sword is
edgy arrow
that's AP2 there's no way around it
sly remnant
But 57 beo is even giving me a headache thinking about it
green citrus
after playing arthur i realize how garbage zag sword is
Have you played ME zag sword?
wanton plover
no
green citrus
You should 🙂
shy gulch
ME is the only way to save zag sword
wanton plover
i mean yes
waxen relic
I don't think Shackle Beo is as bad as widely considered
wanton plover
but the issue is getting out of tart first
sly remnant
I don't think Shackle Beo is as bad as widely considered
How do you kill JS3 DC2 CP2 waves in under 5 minutes without a cast
edgy arrow
I don't think Shackle Beo is as bad as widely considered
even if that's true its not like, good
this is 60 heat we're talking about
waxen relic
just get some fountains 
edgy arrow
i mean, you're not entirely wrong
i think it is probably possible
in the same way that 64 is probably possible
like, sure, but i wouldn't be surprised if we never see it unrouted
waxen relic
like what is the setup for 57 tyler?
sly remnant
yep
rain sedge
oh the challenge is at 40 heat now
edgy arrow
yeah my fault
honest kernel
@mossy zinc Last I ran Authority, minibosses can and regularly will lock themselves into two alternating Olympians if you swap out the first.
mossy zinc
<@!311477984886521856> Last I ran Authority, minibosses can and regularly will l...
Yeah, a couple people in the speedrun server explained the mechanics to me since. Thanks!
edgy arrow
believe in the 2sack
sly remnant
f
rain sedge
thanks for coming to see my biggest throw so far tyler
I gotta watch that vod to see how that chariot hit me twice
sly remnant
chariots do wild things
rain sedge
can I ask for help from the better people here
how do you handle chariots at high heat?
it keeps chasing me after I dodge
tidal flame
how do you handle chariots at high heat?
this. not the first time I ask about chariots and Asterius charge. it seems the answer is just to keep your distance, dash through walls, not be greedy and git gud. at least that's what the people here told me.
rain sedge
but on my clip it felt like I dodged at best as I could
sudden cargo
Rly you just gotta keep your distance and take it slow
If they've started charging at you like that and you don't have something to dash behind to escape its already too late
rain sedge
can I dash through them? is that advisable?
yeah I think my positioning was a mistake. I should've been against a gap/wall
sly remnant
just make sure you aren't clicking attack
sudden cargo
They can turn p quickly but rly I'd just advise getting away behind a wall
rain sedge
ah yeah, that was what I was supposed to learn from tail's stream
ok, will do that next time
thanks friends
daring hedge
you can empty dash through them and get behind
sudden cargo
Gaps are ur best friend for chariots cos you can take your time killing them and they don't rly care
daring hedge
usually they stop in their tracks if you do it right
and yeah like lapis said keeping distance works great too if you're ranged, so they don't initiate a charge
rain sedge
usually they stop in their tracks if you do it right
"if you do it right?"
what do you do, and is it a consistent strat?
daring hedge
mostly my way of saying sometimes they just don't stop
rain sedge
and yeah like lapis said keeping distance works great too if you're ranged, so t...
yeah I think this is the approach I will take
I think my mistake was being in melee range to take the special buff, I should've ranged it even without the buff and took my time
daring hedge
like i personally don't know why it sometimes doesn't work completely
but a lot of the time they do just totally stop if you dash directly behind while they've charged at you
daring hedge
i guess the gist of it is: if they're close enough to have already charged at you, dash through them instead of trying to get away in the opposite direction
don't have to indiana jones it
rain sedge
ok, will do thanks
rain sedge
don't have to indiana jones it
I'm guessing this is another reference I'm missing?
daring hedge
lol yeah
agile obsidian
Im doing eris at 32 and it feels like a breeze
idk maybe its bcs Ive used eris so much but it feels awesome
rain sedge
eris is the freest weapon at 32
agile obsidian
freest?
I got poseidon and artemis naturally in tartarus
Got insanely lucky
Im in asphodel rn
daring hedge
eris is free at 50 if you get splitting bolt
sly remnant
Lmao tail
rain sedge
real
gaunt fiber
50 went to Elysium
Skewer crossed out, a small tear and Astaos was gone
But we got an incredible 45 AP2 build
Shoutout to @shy plinth for the door choices
agile obsidian
Easiest clear of my life
Wow eris is even better than I thought
Only had 1 dd going into hades fight and thought I was screwed
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber told you 45 would be easy. Congratulations! 
gaunt fiber
I even bragged about it in styx and almost died
Was bit sloppy, not playing actually matters
bronze viper
:3 I'm making good progress on FO2 EM4 on all of the coward aspects (Chaos, Hestia, Chiron). I'm not close on Rama yet though lol. Why is he allowed to do so many things
mossy zinc
Coward aspects lmao.
bronze viper
Lmao, I know my lane. I'll pewpew from over here pls&ty. Kind of an oddity that I enjoy Rama so much tbh.
agile obsidian
For some reason I literally cannot make it out of tartarus in high heat with chaos
Im garbo at it
bronze viper
Because of timer or dying?
bronze viper
I have never done TD3 above 40 successfully. With chaos ***
agile obsidian
I still time out
I did td3 on my eris run
But eris is fast so I wasnt that concerned
bronze viper
Lol, my last 32 clear EM4 today I went into overtime at TD1 in Tartarus
With chaos. If you don't get a second damage boon other than thunder Flourish it's very hard
gaunt fiber
<@238040913715265537> told you 45 would be easy. Congratulations! <:squirtnya:47...
AP2 is free heat
bronze viper
Starting Curse of Pain makes Tartarus pretty manageable but definitely doesn't scale as well.
lusty mirage
Lmao, I know my lane. I'll pewpew from over here pls&ty. Kind of an oddity tha...
guan yu can play that style
oblique yoke
Advice for clearing ||hades|| with ||extreme measures||?
Just tried it and I got deleted
bronze viper
Do you have FO2 active?
agile obsidian
With chaos. If you don't get a second damage boon other than thunder Flourish i...
I use thunder flourish
gaunt fiber
Hello~
What are you all chatting about?
Bravery in Hades
shy plinth
And guan yu
green citrus
Any dying a lot
shy plinth
I just said guan yu
oblique yoke
And what weapon were you using
Aspect of lucifer
agile obsidian
Oof
gaunt fiber
GY is nice
oblique yoke
Bad choice?
agile obsidian
Lucifer might not be the best idea if you're struggling at em4
oblique yoke
I got to hades with all three DDs, lost them all in phase 1
agile obsidian
oh
oblique yoke
And died there too
oblique yoke
Maybe switch to a better weapon altogether
gaunt fiber
First phase is the scariest prolly
agile obsidian
Or chiron
bronze viper
Lucifer can't deal with projectiles by itself, which is pretty relevant for EM4 because of the spear chuck
agile obsidian
Chiron is a super safe weapon with hangover
gaunt fiber
But ngl 2nd and 3rd are hell too
bronze viper
First phase is definitely the hardest to get used to because of the random summons
agile obsidian
Just let hangover do its thing
oblique yoke
But yeah, hades just deleted me
agile obsidian
Until you get to phase 2 and 3
bronze viper
Just let hangover do its thing
This doesn't really work in EM4 though. He can very easily outheal Hangover
agile obsidian
Thats when he ||starts the healing||
agile obsidian
This doesn't really work in EM4 though. He can very easily outheal Hangover
Right but with PS on with aphro on attack you can have some pretty mean dps
gaunt fiber
Aooooooo
agile obsidian
With hangover on special
oblique yoke
Theseus was tough too, but only because I couldn't stop laughing at watching an idiot drive his chariot the opposite direction as he fires his miniguns while laughing maniacally
agile obsidian
lol
oblique yoke
He sounded like Pinstripe from crash bandicoot
agile obsidian
The only scary thing for me about heroes em4/em3 fight is the minotaur
His charge at fo2 is like an insta hit
oblique yoke
Minotaur took 2 dds from me, but the stranger appeared and I got them all back
agile obsidian
oh nice
bronze viper
It is you who is the stranger
oblique yoke
Bruh
shy plinth
Everyone knows patty
gaunt fiber
Patty the run saver
agile obsidian
patty cake patty cake
agile obsidian
Patty the run saver
100 percent
bronze viper
We all hail patty here, the bringer of healing in LC4
agile obsidian
Lol I didnt know hydralite worked at LC4
shy plinth
It does not
agile obsidian
ok
shy plinth
You take touch dark and then suicide
shy plinth
Though I dunno what everyone is talking about, patty is for cyclops jerky select
gaunt fiber
Mirrorless LC4 be like
shy plinth
Gotta get the dps in
agile obsidian
And patty is near the end of elysium
gaunt fiber
"Yeah I'll have that jerky"
oblique yoke
Jerky unless I need to heal or I need my 1ups back
agile obsidian
I do jerky when speedrunning
gaunt fiber
But I would have like some special damage too tho
agile obsidian
But hydralite and styx everytime else
shy plinth
What about Yu
shy plinth
It must have been guan hundred times by now
gaunt fiber
I must be really tired it made me laugh
But I won't deny your skills that would not be fair
shy plinth
No it's the fatigue
lusty mirage
two steps to make astaos laugh. Step Guan: ... Step Yu: Profit
btw how do we tell hadesprofessor about barrel rolling?
agile obsidian
So how are you all's names green?
gaunt fiber
No it's the fatigue
Yeah even Brain's worked
Well we actually picked a roll boyo
Role
agile obsidian
How?
gaunt fiber
#bot-commands
agile obsidian
No what do I do?
gaunt fiber
Question mark hades
agile obsidian
K did it
bronze viper
Yellow is the SGG simp color
agile obsidian
cool
agile obsidian
I was wondering what bot commands did
gaunt fiber
Gotta finish Hades first
gaunt fiber
Yellow is the SGG simp color
It's the color of decent people too
Still have to meet an annoying yellow shade
agile obsidian
So I can literally type in ?moderators and I become a moderator(I dont want to im just asking)
gaunt fiber
Anyway, sleeping time. Make some barrel rolls for me!
vital grove
Yeah roll the barrel guys
I had fun with the 41 but don't know how much more I can keep up lol
bronze viper
I'm waiting for my external hard drive to come in before I can record. Wait, nvm, just checked the rules, victory screen is sufficient?
daring hedge
yeah for the barrel roll challenge you just need a victory screen
bronze viper
🦊
daring hedge
and we just trust you follow the rule of having done it within the last 24h and all of course
shy plinth
Yep we do them every month
ripe crane
Gotta finish Hades first
I need to buy this
tidal flame
If you have ideas feel free to pitch in also
ripe crane
Do a barrel roll, but in the other direction. Someone starts at 64 heat, then the next player has to do 63 heat or 64 heat, but slower.
lusty mirage
could have a challenge to do the most chambers before dying on 64 heat
opal token
Do I want aphro special for Dem fists? Artemis?
sly remnant
Arti good
shy plinth
Aphro is fine, people typically go for arti because if you crit even one you delete enemies
The meta build is artemis on special and people are usually leaning zeus attack these days
opal token
Thanks all
edgy arrow
it’s also easy support fire, which is nice
shy gulch
yeah arty has a lot of nice side boons
pp, mark, support fire, heck even like clean kill is okay
sly remnant
Look everyone knows i love arti
spiral island
Yes
sly remnant
Clean kill is a bad boon
spiral island
Agreed
shy gulch
its meh but its not terrible
edgy arrow
ngl i can’t really tell the difference when i have it
spiral island
Same
spiral island
Hunters mark is better by miles for me
shy gulch
well yeah hunters mark is one of artys best boons period
edgy arrow
no one’s taking it over hunter’s mark
spiral island
Maybe new players
shy plinth
I take it over hunter's mark when approval process tells me to
spiral island
Yeah
edgy arrow
I take it over hunter's mark when approval process tells me to
there it is
rip choices
spiral island
That's why I don't take AP
shy plinth
Also I think there are fringe scenarios where you have like... nemesis sword deadly reversal or whatever
sly remnant
Yes clean kill is im out of rolls and its styx alongside hunter flare replace and the one that charges call with crits
shy plinth
Where your crit chances are super high and clean kill is meaningful
But at that point if the build is already online who cares
edgy arrow
i need to start running AP2 at 40 for beowulf just to mess with tyler
spiral island
When you roll 3 times on Dio to get black out but he gives you drunken dash for the tenth time
edgy arrow
i’m already doing AP1 CF2 UC
shy plinth
Gross
opal token
Smoldering Air, support fire fists with...Epic Demeter call
Do I risk selling this at Elysium exit
And hope for a better call
(Spoiler: I sold Dem Call, saw no calls out of 3 gods in Styx, and now have Smoldering Air and no call vs Hades) lol
opal token
Oh really? They don’t shop up at same odds as core boons? Didn’t know
opal token
Good to know
Eh, punted hades as usual
Was very close, but I suck at dodging
Would’ve won with another like 500 dmg off any Call haha
edgy arrow
oof
bronze viper
I did similar. Found myself facing Dad without a call, but 5 fated persuasion charges left. Very good resource management that run, obv.
opal token
Well, new run is hilarious actually kinda worth dying bc had to try Demeter again
Thunder dash with literally every Zeus boon and legend
Was kinda trolling taking dash and then got jolted, double strike, legend, epic high voltage.
So now I just bolt the whole map it’s funny
Jeez. That was really busted actually
bronze viper
I love when that happens. The "value" Thunder Dash to qualify for Smoldering Air or whatever and then Zeus gives you everything else.
edgy arrow
idk if this is controversial but thunder dash is okay imo
even with just jolted it’s noticeable damage
i don’t think it’s my ideal dash on any build, but nobody’s playing their ideal build at high heat
bronze viper
I think it's mostly that it only works on retreat instead of approach that holds it back
mossy zinc
Also I think there are fringe scenarios where you have like... nemesis sword dea...
Clean Kill > Pressure Points on Nemesis with Deadly Strike. It also has excellent synergy with Hunter's Mark.
It's so easy to cap your crit rate with Hunter's Mark.
vital grove
Come on Astaos, 43 calls for you
gaunt fiber
We need Nyaanyaa to do it
ripe crane
I wonder if we're gonna get some previously undiscovered high heat runners out of this challenge
gaunt fiber
would be cool
gaunt fiber
Don't hope for too much buddy
vital grove
I believe in me who believes in you who believes in me.
gaunt fiber
EM4 is far away
ripe crane
Is 43 significant for GY
gaunt fiber
Hm
vital grove
I dunno but it's out of my comfort zone, I'm gonna try anyway just not with GY
gaunt fiber
Not really
vital grove
Just later today when I get some time
I got pretty luck with 41, deadly flourish and divine Dash on ap2 lol
ripe crane
I guess I should ask what the highest gy clear is
vital grove
How is DC2 for GY? Easy if you spin the spawn hard otherwise?
gaunt fiber
Oh it's currently 51 on hell mode
vital grove
Would you rather DC2 or js2
gaunt fiber
It's a matter of practice
and you could keep the whole mirror at 50 with that
Current pact
I got like 3 ou 4 tries on this only tho
halcyon flame
on a scale of 1-5 how good is positive outlook with sd and lc4
edgy arrow
um
3?
it’s never a boon i’m looking for, but it is a boon that does something and you can’t necessarily take that for granted
halcyon flame
epic positive outlook 
with sd and lc4 it's basically bronze skin but actually good
sly remnant
42
sly remnant
yall have fun with it
edgy arrow
i would've beaten that time by now but i keep dying to EM4
i'm getting better, but its slow lol
solemn pulsar
what channel is the barrel roll stuff happening in?
agile obsidian
its a google sheet
sly remnant
builds and combat
agile obsidian
solemn pulsar
got it, thanks
just tuned into hadesprof's stream as he was finishing a 30 minute 32 heat chiron run, with 3 bouldy companion charges left at the end... i want to know more
gaunt fiber
Random 32 for fun
solemn pulsar
that's what i figured
vital grove
32 can be trivial but it can definitely be pretty horrible if you random a bad pact lol
shy gulch
yeah 32 when you don’t have control over the pact is brutal
lilac depot
finally got a good 32 run.. then got vermin'd with a minute to spare.. and 4 stacked
this game loves me
solemn pulsar
i wonder what the hardest possible 32 pact is
RI4
AP2
EM4
LC4
for sure
DC2 depending on the weapon
but like that already puts you at 29
i guess just some JS or CP at that point? you can't
shy gulch
FO1? maybe like a TD2 to make sure u don’t drag it out or whatever
solemn pulsar
honestly maybe get rid of AP to add HL points
it's tough to build
i think RI4 LC4 is your base
shy gulch
agree
solemn pulsar
so you basically have 20 heat to play with
solemn pulsar
yeah but then you only have 5 heat left to make people get hit
so do you just do HL5?
oh god it's you croven, why do you have a different name in every server
gaunt fiber
that's what i figured
sometimes for practice he goes LC4 with DDs
solemn pulsar
i mean i'm pretty sure baj was thinking about that for upping his heat
he said he was getting consistent about getting to elysium without dying once
at like 60/62
shy gulch
yeah he was talking about that
gaunt fiber
Yes but you'd either need a shield of a weapon that can heal ( ) to achieve that
solemn pulsar
how bout we just say shield
solemn pulsar
i simply name myself according to the vibes
think of the people with compact mode who won't know who you are
gaunt fiber
I know that he's Croven, Pog Frog and Little Gremlin
solemn pulsar
i haven't hung out in here in a lil while so pog frog was new to me
gaunt fiber
Gotta make some effort to follow his creativity you know
shy gulch
that’s on whoever uses compact
gaunt fiber
Cgull was defending people that don't exist
shy gulch
LOL
pseudo girder
imagine using compact mode for literally anything other than quickly getting chat logs
shy gulch
^preach
rain sedge
RI4 LC4 EM4 definitely, I'd add some TD to prevent some very safe cheese strats
I can see some hestia or shield shenanigans completing it though
maybe that should be the next challenge
agile obsidian
Died at minotaur miniboos at 32 GY 😦
Although I am starting to incorporate my attack into special spam
ripe crane
RI4 LC4 EM4 definitely, I'd add some TD to prevent some very safe cheese strats
I get to use boons? And no FO??? Yee imma do this
rain sedge
If I make the complete 32 heat, will you try it crepes?
You get to seed first boon too
lilac depot
what's the best setup for 32 heat?
vital grove
If only there was a pin for that
lilac depot
tbh
vital grove
Like, right in this channel, maybe
lilac depot
i was just trying some random setups
true fable
lol phoenix
lilac depot
i ended up getting FO'd by theseus
lilac depot
i.. did
true fable
theres a pinned ez 32
rain sedge
the pin outlines the best setup for 32 quite thoroughly I think
solemn pulsar
ugh RI4 LC4 EM4 TD3 is 28, maybe like AP1 and HL2 for hardest 32? This is tough. i don't think you ever get rid of RI4 LC4
solemn pulsar
you could replace EM4 with JS3 CP1 or something to jack the time up
edgy arrow
instead of HL1 do HS1 HL1
rain sedge
you could replace EM4 with JS3 CP1 or something to jack the time up
I think the EM4 is necessary to eat the limited HP resource
edgy arrow
EM4 with HS should be good fun
solemn pulsar
HS isn't that hard, easy enough to play around
true fable
yeah i honestly think hardest 32 is just something with CP2 DC2 JS3 TD3
edgy arrow
HS isn't that hard, easy enough to play around
neither is HL1 lol
sly remnant
bp2 as well
rain sedge
could also do DC since it's probably gonna be hestia or shield
solemn pulsar
we don't have that much heat to work with, fellas
rain sedge
let me think about this and @ crepes
ripe crane
Hardest 32: turn on everything
true fable
TRUE
rain sedge
but probably not DC since he'll not want to do it if we put DC
vital grove
I wouldn't do AP for hardest
solemn pulsar
AP makes TD more relevant
true fable
if you turn on DC2
solemn pulsar
since you can't craft a build
rain sedge
yep
edgy arrow
for the hardest 32, disable the mirror manually but don't put on RI4
true fable
hestia players r gonna have to run lightning strike
edgy arrow
then its actually 40
true fable
and i like that
edgy arrow
but it only counts as 32
rain sedge
what heat was retrash' hestia lightning strike?
sly remnant
45 i think
solemn pulsar
i mean if you're manually disabling the mirror that's not really a heat config
shy gulch
i hate bright
edgy arrow
yeah i meme
shy gulch
put ap2 uc cf2 so beowulf players are sad
sly remnant
put ap2 uc cf2 so beowulf players are sad
i elect to not play your game
edgy arrow
put ap2 uc cf2 so beowulf players are sad
i unironically do this for fun
shy gulch
"fun"
sly remnant
how is it fun
edgy arrow
i'm prolly gonna be evicted from the cult of beo
solemn pulsar
i'm used to running HS for speedrunning high heat so I don't even really remember what it's like
im amazed i've never died to a 150dmg dad pot
edgy arrow
i think most people are rarely hit by urns anyway yeah
its just that the one time HS ends your run that way is pain
true fable
True Pain
sly remnant
hey this is going well i have a lot of hea-oh i'm dead
oh was a 62 heat screenshot ever produced btw
sly remnant
k
solemn pulsar
i was looking back over it, and the person said that they'd have to run it again basically? lol
ripe crane
I bet 100 obols they won't post here again
buoyant hound
Hello! What’s the best weapon aspect to max out for rail for 32 heat?
I’m trying all weapons on 32 heat
Only rail left
sly remnant
check the pins
rain sedge
EM4 LC4 RI4 AP2 FO1 JS2 @ripe crane
I left off DC2 since I feel it'll be unfair to you
I took out TD because I think the goal is to manage your HP resource anyway, and with FO1 JS2 you can't stall forever
I can't fit FO2 in, and I think AP2 makes it harder compared to FO2 AP1
ripe crane
Pretty sure I can't do FO tbh
ripe crane
I was talking about just trying the EM4 LC4 RI4 part of that t b h x d
rain sedge
if I change the FO1 to TD2 will you do it ? ❤️
true fable
taking out TD