h1-high-heat-strategies

[edgy arrow]

but that doesn’t mean they have increasing benefit surely

[bronze viper]

But 22, that's the magic number

[edgy arrow]

it just means more dashes = good

[fallow stream]

Yet I would still take damage by spamming it without thought and hitting the cooldown wall 🤣

[mossy zinc]

But that's not a thing in Hades anyway lol. Not relevant to the discussion.

[strange rapids]

but it illustrates the principle that the more dashes you have, the less impactful each additional dash is

[bronze viper]

It kind of is with Gilga, at least. You can get almost 2 digits lol

Though to be fair with how that aspect plays the more dashes the better.

[strange rapids]

unless you feel that the relative benefit of each dash increases from 2 through 6 then begins decreasing as you approach 20

[mossy zinc]

Indeed. 6 is not even close to letting you play like you have effectively no Dash CD. 20 would certainly let you do that.

[bronze viper]

I can't think of unique things I'd be doing with 6 that 5 wouldn't already give me access to. Ignoring the aspects that can scale damage with dash count.

But it could just be because I'm used to 5 being the cap and leaving one in the bank for brain fart moments.

[edgy arrow]

maybe i’m just a cheesy shield main with no respect for the power of dashes idk

but i feel like i mostly don’t notice the difference between epic and rare greatest reflex

[mossy zinc]

Dash out with your 1-2 dashes that you still have.

[edgy arrow]

mostly

[fallow stream]

So I just had the most boringly effective fight vs Hades.

Lightning rod + extra bloodstones, and just hyper sprinted laps around the pillars

[mossy zinc]

Lightning Rod is fun.

[strange rapids]

in a way I understand the argument for increasing power per dash per your argument about i-frames, since +1 GR gives you either 3 movement dashes or 2 movement dashes plus one "free" dash, while +2 GR can be 4 movement, 3 movement + 1 free, or 2 movement + 2 free

so each +1 is not only adding an additional potential movement dash but adding another +1 defensive i-frame dash to every level of dashing before that

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[edgy arrow]

okay i see

that makes sense

[fallow stream]

MOAR Merciful End. That's what.

[edgy arrow]

each additional dash allows you to use your previous dashes more freely

[strange rapids]

yeah

[edgy arrow]

i still feel that, while you can use them more freely, there’s a lot less benefit they can give you

[strange rapids]

the logic makes perfect sense to me, but I feel that in practice it isn't enough to make up for the fact that the usefulness of each extra dash of distance is lower the further you are dashing

yeah

[sly remnant]

Dashes good

[strange rapids]

per the dash chart (fig. 1) the odds of you wanting to be in each ring go down the further you reach from the center

[edgy arrow]

at least we can still be united by this statement

[mossy zinc]

It's not just distance per se, there's also an element of crowd control that you get from extra dashes. You can manipulate enemy movement more freely.

[bronze viper]

Lol, I remember that Excalibur guy from back the last time I played who was vehemently against taking extra dashes, and only did Ruthless Reflex

And would argue ad nauseum about it

[sly remnant]

RR good but more situational

Arthur RR good

[edgy arrow]

i think the main thing i’ve learned here is that Nyaanyaa is far better than i at using huge stacks of dashes

[strange rapids]

ruthless reflex apologists are not welcome

[edgy arrow]

i’ll have to rewatch her 52 ig

[sly remnant]

Speedrunning is a fantastic way to get better at using dashes

[mossy zinc]

Maybe my brain just goes "more dash good, mash dash button" and this is all just me rationalizing it.

[fallow stream]

More dashes are a better way at using more dashes

[sly remnant]

Well sure

[fallow stream]

Lol

[strange rapids]

rework greatest reflex to increase your dash length by +50% per rarity

[sly remnant]

Oh god

[fallow stream]

Please no

[mossy zinc]

I guided Lady Aphrodite on a Lady Aphrodite run last night where we got Unhealthy Fixation and tried to get the Disciple of Aphrodite title.

[fallow stream]

Sounds like too much chafing 😏

[bronze viper]

How have you not gotten it by this point?

[mossy zinc]

She had all the requirements for the title and we avoided other title eligibility . . . but the run ended up taking 68 minutes because she didn't pause when chatting, and I completely forgot that "Slow and Steady" is a thing.

[bronze viper]

Or do you mean get it again lol

[mossy zinc]

I have.

She hasn't.

[bronze viper]

Oh, I assume it's someone's tag?

I just assumed you started referring to yourself as such :3

[fallow stream]

So what's the Zeus title called, then?

Breakin' 2: Electric Bugaloo?

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite is Lady Aphrodite. https://twitter.com/CVineys/

Courtney Vineys (@CVineys)

She/her. Voice actor, improviser, and washed-up child star. Dusa & Aphrodite in #HADES. Ti'zo in Pyre. GirlPope @SecondCityLA. Daemona in Phantom Investigators.

Tweets

309

Followers

1090

Twitter

[bronze viper]

Oh, neat

[mossy zinc]

She streams.

[edgy arrow]

wait wtf she also voiced Ti’zo

what a legend

[mossy zinc]

She's the bestest.

@fallow stream It's just "Disciple of ______".

[edgy arrow]

evidence says you’re right

[mossy zinc]

You need 6 boons from the god, and 1 of them has to be the legendary.

Duo Boons don't count.

[fallow stream]

I like the title I came up with better 😆

[mossy zinc]

Take it up with Greg.

[edgy arrow]

iirc back in the day all the Calls had names personal to the gods

[mossy zinc]

Yes. They were also called Wraths.

[edgy arrow]

i’ve always been slightly mad that they changed them all to “____’s Aid”

[gaunt fiber]

To me, more dashes is more damage because I don't have to choose between an offensive or defensive one anymore. The more dashes, the more offensive I can be.

It's better movement in general to line up foes (one could argue that you could memorize the layout and spawns so you don't many dashes tho).

Anyway it saves a lot of time in general. Maybe you don't need the epic from heroic but it's still really nice.

Yesterday I was saying that I would keep divine dash over greatest reflexes but it would be valid only if I had not cleared Asphodel (a pain with GY without deflect imo).

[mossy zinc]

I wasn't playing then.

[edgy arrow]

yeah neither was i lol

but i heard about it and wish it were still true

[sly remnant]

While its a cool idea

Its a needless layer of complexity

For a new player

[gaunt fiber]

I'm late rip

[edgy arrow]

you’re right but i’m still mad

[edgy arrow]

don’t worry; there wasn’t a resolution

[mossy zinc]

I agree with Divine Dash being better for Asphodel, but I would still keep Greatest Reflex. First of all, getting Divine Dash again is a lot easier, second, I'll take a harder Asphodel if the rest of the run is easier.

[mossy zinc]

Wdym, the resolution is m always right.

Why even argue.

[edgy arrow]

oh i missed that rule

fair enough then

[gaunt fiber]

That's true but I could really die in aspho with bad BPs

[edgy arrow]

i’d keep divine dash as well

[gaunt fiber]

But if I were better I would not need it so case closed

[edgy arrow]

but honestly i prolly do underestimate greatest reflex a bit

if mean, if you were good enough you wouldn’t need boons at all let’s be real

boons are a crutch, the question is which ones are the best crutch

[wanton plover]

the ones you have

[mossy zinc]

You're not talking about skill anymore. You're talking about Hestia.

[bronze viper]

Or Tailesque

[edgy arrow]

so easy to get those confused

[mossy zinc]

Oh wow, "Do a barrel roll!" is at 25 Heat in 12:27.28 already.

@shy plinth can we automatically change the time format for clear times to 0:00.00? Some people submit it as 0:00:00 instead.

[edgy arrow]

Guan Yu is really over represented in this challenge lol

which i for one am down with

[gaunt fiber]

It was a 3 sack!

[mossy zinc]

Making excuses for your slow times, huh?

Smh.

[gaunt fiber]

Hey it's not slow

[edgy arrow]

is 12:27 a slow time

[mossy zinc]

Is it sub 12?

[gaunt fiber]

at 25 I'll take it

BP is a bit dangerous and my HC uptime was not great in Asphodel

[mossy zinc]

Tailesque did a faster run at 40 Heat than you did at 25.

[gaunt fiber]

Tailesque plays a busted aspect

[edgy arrow]

Tail’s done a faster 40 than most people have done anything

[mossy zinc]

PeachHead00 did a faster run at 40 Heat with Excalibur than you did at 25 with Guan Yu.

[gaunt fiber]

Peach is an incredible player

So is Tailesque tho lmao

[mossy zinc]

Okay, but bright01 was also faster than you with Beowulf at 40.

That argument doesn't work this time.

[edgy arrow]

that’s ‘cause beowulf best aspect

[gaunt fiber]

Can you really blame a charged skewer build with Eternal rose start?

I'm sad

[mossy zinc]

...

Amazing run. Very proud of you, @gaunt fiber.

[edgy arrow]

why does everyone always bouldy react beowulf

[mossy zinc]

I have no idea why they do that.

[edgy arrow]

is it because they’re the two most powerful beings in existence?

i think that’s the reason

[gaunt fiber]

I don't understand the bouldy react

[agile obsidian]

Theres really no reason lol

I just think it looks cool

[wanton plover]

🙂

[edgy arrow]

only bouldy understands the bouldy react

[wanton plover]

they give similar vibrations

smile through the pain

[agile obsidian]

[edgy arrow]

[mossy zinc]

Did you know that Bouldy is voiced by Michael Ailshie who is also the voice of Orpheus?

[gaunt fiber]

Wait did you diss Bright?

[agile obsidian]

great voice

Didnt darren voice orpheus?

I thought

[edgy arrow]

10/10 vo performance for bouldy, should’ve won an oscar

[vital grove]

There is a depth to the silence

[wanton plover]

i believe orphy song voice and voice voice is different actors

[agile obsidian]

ok

darren probably did the song

[edgy arrow]

yeah Darren sang but didn’t do the spoken stuff

[mossy zinc]

Did I diss @true fable?

Hmmm.

[vital grove]

Ohok go do 26 heat sub 12 Beo

[edgy arrow]

sounds doable

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-sassy-and-what-about-it-gif-11678280

[vital grove]

I know you can do it in one

[edgy arrow]

i’m not good at going fast tho lol

[true fable]

i dont feel dissed

[vital grove]

That dude who set the WR tho maaan

[edgy arrow]

the beo record?

[gaunt fiber]

Oh I won't defend Bright don't worry

[wanton plover]

i love ariana

[true fable]

???

[vital grove]

https://youtu.be/oxiOm-y7KmQ

[gaunt fiber]

Oh hi Bright how are you doing?

Big fan

[true fable]

what is going on

also yeah ananke is a nut

he has only sword to go for sub 7 all weapons

[vital grove]

Insanity

[edgy arrow]

wait wriste is unseated?

[true fable]

yeye

thank the lord

LOL

[edgy arrow]

lmao

man i gotta watch this rq

[true fable]

he still has the rta record for beowulf

its the most disgusting styg beo rng

i have ever seen

in one run

[mossy zinc]

Speaking of speedrunning and Michael, I feel like this clip is very relevant. https://clips.twitch.tv/DirtyDullPrariedogSpicyBoy

[gaunt fiber]

Nice reflexes

[true fable]

ah i see nyaanyaa calling me a casual

shes not incorrect

[mossy zinc]

That's the VA of Bouldy and Orpheus for you.

[gaunt fiber]

You're calling yourself a casual

[mossy zinc]

Exactly.

It's not even a diss, it's just facts.

[true fable]

exactly

[vital grove]

Most people are casuals anyway

No shame in it

We can't all be Haelian 🤔

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-descendants3-descendants-mal-ben-gif-15647362

[sly remnant]

Wait whats this 25 heat thing yall are talking about

[gaunt fiber]

Maybe if people see a lot of GY in the Barrel roll challenge they will try it

[mossy zinc]

@sly remnant check pins in #h1-builds-and-combat.

[vital grove]

And contribute

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[vital grove]

Someone not named Tail has to hit 60 eventually so he can one up us and max heat

[gaunt fiber]

I don't want to rise the heat but even if I simply beat time it would be hard for a beginner to beat it again

So in the end I'm just delaying the inevitable

[true fable]

i want to return to zag spear for 40 heat

seems like good stress release

[vital grove]

What do you do with Zag Spear without flurry

[gaunt fiber]

Resetting for Flurry jab is stress release?

[vital grove]

At least if I whiff charged Skewer GY I can spin to win or at least dash strike

[true fable]

yes resetting for flurry is stress release

im a multiweap runner lmao

[gaunt fiber]

There's also the incredible Chain Skewer/Vicious skewer featuring tempest flourish and sea storm tho

[true fable]

thats all we do

[vital grove]

I don't like builds that aren't builds for most of the game

[gaunt fiber]

reset for chain skewer

could be fun with doom too

would be like chaos

[halcyon flame]

if you throw the spear and call it back does it knock the enemy back towards you?

[spring kettle]

crystal beam best cast

[gaunt fiber]

Well with chain skewer it's kinda hard to predict which one you're gonna knockback lol

[halcyon flame]

how does tempest interact with calling your spear back though?

[gaunt fiber]

Just as you said I think

it's a spammy build tho

[edgy arrow]

you... you weren’t lying about this huh

that was absolutely ridiculous

[true fable]

its absurd

if you see chat all of us are just collectively vomiting

gross rng

[halcyon flame]

i gotta see this

[gaunt fiber]

boon rng?

[halcyon flame]

i would know what good beo rng is

[gaunt fiber]

Tbh I'm really glad I did not have to compete against JDN's ME setup epic greatest reflex out of Tartarus

[halcyon flame]

trippy shot... i just know where this is going

[halcyon flame]

how ???

[gaunt fiber]

Insane luck

[edgy arrow]

even just getting a tartarus mirage shot with trippy flare start is absurd

but it just kept going

[halcyon flame]

oh so he also got high tolerance, black out, scint and then ice wine

[sly remnant]

Ice wine beo baf

Bad

[edgy arrow]

^^

[halcyon flame]

and then there'd still be room for artemis

[edgy arrow]

high tolerance wouldn’t do anything for a speedrun

[halcyon flame]

so at that point he can still get fully loaded

[gaunt fiber]

yeah there's a delay and everything

It's amazing how you can gather knowledge without even playing the aspects

thanks people

[edgy arrow]

he did get scint feast and Bad News in asphodel tho

plus like, every fountain chamber

[halcyon flame]

bad news

[sly remnant]

Ye I watched the run

Its uh

Something else

[halcyon flame]

that's literally +80% damage including mirage shot

[gaunt fiber]

A fountain is 5%?

[halcyon flame]

and he can still get poms

[sly remnant]

Yep

[gaunt fiber]

lol

Did he skip aspho mid shop then

[shy plinth]

For monthly? Sure

[edgy arrow]

pretty sure he got the mid shop in aspho

can’t even remember now

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, for the monthly challenges.

[gaunt fiber]

And Eury I suppose

[mossy zinc]

Thanks!

[agile obsidian]

are you guys talking about the beo speedrun

[shy plinth]

All set

[agile obsidian]

Bcs the luck they got on that was insane

[edgy arrow]

iirc he actually missed sisi

[halcyon flame]

artemis in tartarus

so he did get fully loaded didn't he

[edgy arrow]

but got the other two story rooms, and an elysium than

earlyish elysium but still

[gaunt fiber]

I read your comment Mr. Hat. Divine dash in Ely, welcome to ME hell

[true fable]

it was 3/3 fountains

8/9 free rooms i believe

[agile obsidian]

https://youtu.be/miyGrXtotPA

This one right?

[true fable]

noooo

[edgy arrow]

yeah just sisyphus he missed right?

[sly remnant]

Nah thats the slow run now

[true fable]

bablo's 8:17 is an old one i thinj

bablo himself has a 7:11 on last patch with beo

ananke just got a 6:47

[agile obsidian]

Wait no I sent the wrong one

The matt one

[true fable]

also none of this is high heat smh my head

[agile obsidian]

https://youtu.be/oxiOm-y7KmQ

[mossy zinc]

I, too, get out of Asphodel in 6:47.

[edgy arrow]

^same

are we speedrunners?

i think so

[gaunt fiber]

It's a decent exit time

[edgy arrow]

especially with JS3 CP2

i’m happy with it

[true fable]

thats an incredible time with js3 cp2

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[agile obsidian]

This dude got seriously insane luck with mirage

[edgy arrow]

yeah honestly i’m prolly slower than that

[gaunt fiber]

Earlier I tried a 25 heat setup with EM3, got Asterius as miniboss too

[sly remnant]

Uts the ananke free room rng

[gaunt fiber]

I tried to go the any heat way

[sly remnant]

That blows my mind

[gaunt fiber]

Asterius' spin is decent damage ngl

[true fable]

ananke has enough skill to capitalize on the disgusting rng he's been getting for the past 2 weeks

[agile obsidian]

His elysium took freaking 1 minute

[sly remnant]

Oh he is an insane player for sure

[agile obsidian]

Like how

[true fable]

which translates to 10 or so world records

[edgy arrow]

it is worth noting that it was a 3 sack tiny vermin

[agile obsidian]

Yeah tiny vermin

wut

[edgy arrow]

otherwise i would’ve struggled to believe my eyes ngl

[true fable]

would have scraped the anyheat world record with a 2 sack imo

[edgy arrow]

not impossible for sure

oh man it would’ve been amazing to see beo at the top

[true fable]

right

[agile obsidian]

Also he got scint feast

[true fable]

tbf, as someone who has put a bunch of hours into specifically anyheat dio beo

you actually end up with scint feast mirage

a good number of runs

but the percentage of those runs

where you get

[agile obsidian]

Ive not completed a run with beo yet

[edgy arrow]

it’s getting that and the free rooms tho

[true fable]

1 cast stone

good enemy rng

free rooms

and bad news?

next to 0

oh and good minibosses

[sly remnant]

Its the enemy rng that i think makes this run

[true fable]

its the whole shebang

[agile obsidian]

Not to mention the freaking damage that it did

[sly remnant]

Well sure

[agile obsidian]

Like look at lernies health just plummet

[true fable]

boon/enemy/free room rng

all nuts

pengy thats just beowulf stuff

[mossy zinc]

casually*

[true fable]

exactly

all speedrunners are casuals didnt you know

we dont venture above 15 heat

[edgy arrow]

would you like to join the cult of beo

[sly remnant]

Where is your Kappa bright

[true fable]

we have cookies

[edgy arrow]

you too can have this boss killing ability

[agile obsidian]

hmmm

I would like to think about it

[sly remnant]

Don't think

Put cast in shield

Shield go boom

[true fable]

^

[edgy arrow]

^^

[gaunt fiber]

Lili is a really angry casual

[agile obsidian]

I would consider myself a casual

[edgy arrow]

is that why i’m not fast?

i’m not angry enough?

[gaunt fiber]

yes

Lili actually hates low heat so he has to shred it

[edgy arrow]

takes notes

[mossy zinc]

Any-heat speedrunners be like "let's play really fast on very easy."

[gaunt fiber]

"Let's abuse the fact that I won't encounter any resistance"

[edgy arrow]

this is a hard game; they’re just going fast because they’re scared they’ll die if they stop

[agile obsidian]

I mean you pretty much go fastest on EM2 and FO2 so what is the point of going below that

[edgy arrow]

let’s be real tho; FO2 EM2 basically rounds down to 0 heat

[agile obsidian]

yeah it becomes easy once youre used to it

[true fable]

i will say, both high heat and speedrunning are fun in their own ways

i despise combining them

[sly remnant]

Speedrunning is great

[agile obsidian]

I personally prefer speedrunning but high heat is fun

I am not like a professional speedrunner in any way but its fun

[edgy arrow]

wait you’ve done high heat speedruns Bright

[mossy zinc]

I do any heat speedruns sometimes to relax and turn my brain off.

[edgy arrow]

or does 40 not count as high to you lol

[true fable]

i have done some

[sly remnant]

That would explain your times

[true fable]

i would prefer not to do more

[gaunt fiber]

oof

[true fable]

i think AP1 is mandatory for beo to speedrun 40

[mossy zinc]

We've established that high heat is @gaunt fiber's Heat +1. So no, 40 doesn't count.

[agile obsidian]

What time would be considered decent for a casual speedrunner

[true fable]

no ty

[edgy arrow]

what heat is Astaos up to

[gaunt fiber]

High heat is mirrorless 41

[mossy zinc]

That doesn't bother me at all because I really don't care for my times lol.

[edgy arrow]

yeah checks out

[gaunt fiber]

Sure but that was a good one imo

[edgy arrow]

that’s fair

[gaunt fiber]

I can tell because I'm sometimes the target of such attacks

sometimes

[edgy arrow]

wait really

[true fable]

who is attacking you astaos

[edgy arrow]

Astaos do 50 GY already

what’re you waiting for

[true fable]

you can name names

[gaunt fiber]

The will to play the game after last week exhausting grind

[edgy arrow]

...fair

[mossy zinc]

You don't need will to play.

[edgy arrow]

my only exhausting grind rn is doing sword 40s

[mossy zinc]

All you need is 1 HP and the Aspect of Guan Yu.

[edgy arrow]

and that makes me want to heat push other aspects

[gaunt fiber]

That's true

But I have to get the game opened for that

[mossy zinc]

You should do 45, though. 45 should be easy.

50 can come after that.

[edgy arrow]

if i can do 46 beo, you can prolly do 45 mirrorless boonless GY or something

[gaunt fiber]

I did 40 AP2 earlier to see if I was still doing ok

[agile obsidian]

What is stupid is that mirrorless gives you 8 heat

[mossy zinc]

8 Heat is plenty.

[gaunt fiber]

Probably yeah

But do I want to follow the easy path

[mossy zinc]

Think of it as a vacation.

[edgy arrow]

sure but it doesn’t really matter because if you drop a mirrorless run everyone knows it’s worth more than the same heat with a mirror

[agile obsidian]

I mean yeah mirrorless wasnt terribly diffuclt but I thought it would be worth more

[gaunt fiber]

I wonder how much more tho? @edgy arrow

[agile obsidian]

I would think maybe 12 heat or something

[edgy arrow]

idk i’m not a game designer lol

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I'll see. Schad will be sad tho

[mossy zinc]

All the more reason to do it.

[gaunt fiber]

haha

Poor Eris casual Hyde Park player

[halcyon flame]

gameplay tips for 32 heat eris?

[mossy zinc]

@agile obsidian mirrorless leaderboard starts at 32 if you want to submit some runs.

[gaunt fiber]

Pact is pinned, Lili's guide good

[edgy arrow]

shoot gun win

[mossy zinc]

@halcyon flame just do what you would do in speedruns.

[agile obsidian]

So I have to have 32 heat mirrorless run?

[gaunt fiber]

@halcyon flame https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[edgy arrow]

32 heat is just speedrunning but you might die

[gaunt fiber]

Most of it applies to 32

[agile obsidian]

ok

I just did a mirrorless run just as a challenge

[gaunt fiber]

Except things such as "always hydralite for high confidence"

[agile obsidian]

And to get that achievment at the end screen

[edgy arrow]

yeah instead always do touch of styx dark

[mossy zinc]

32 or higher, yes. High heat leaderboard starts at 32, mirrorless is a category we have on the board.

[agile obsidian]

I probably could have done tight deadline for more heat and mabye some more for like 20 heat

[gaunt fiber]

Mirrorless is tough Pengy

It is really good practice though

[edgy arrow]

it’s fun tho

[agile obsidian]

Got a perfect clear bcs of acorn

lmao

Had 5 hits left on acorn

[edgy arrow]

when i’m feeling burnt out by regular heat i do some mirrorless stuff

[mossy zinc]

At 32, you're basically playing 24 Heat but without your mirror.

[edgy arrow]

feels way less intense than 40+, but i still might die so i don’t just disengage

[agile obsidian]

Did mirrorless with rama

[mossy zinc]

Still very doable. TD3 can make it very difficult, though. TD2 is a lot more consistent.

[edgy arrow]

it kinda is as intense as 40+ (with enough other heat) but it feels different idk

[gaunt fiber]

TD3 is super hard indeed

no backstab, no boiling blood is so slow

[mossy zinc]

Only 1 Cast hurts a lot of aspects, too.

[agile obsidian]

My main issue was dashes until I got hermes

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah definitely

[tidal flame]

2 dashes is good

RI3 is pain

[edgy arrow]

1 dash is pretty workable with FO0, but it requires some practice for sure

[gaunt fiber]

Just take the Hermes cheat

which is either hyper sprint or greatest reflex

[tidal flame]

Cries in AP

[agile obsidian]

Ill send a picture of my build later today

In victory boasting

[gaunt fiber]

AP mirrorless hm

[tidal flame]

Might as well go boonless with shackle

You'll have more damage

[edgy arrow]

i was doing RI4 AP2 LC4 GY for fun yesterday

my definition of fun has changed a lot recently

[gaunt fiber]

Oh nice

[edgy arrow]

i mean i died

but it was fun

[gaunt fiber]

Ah

Where?

Ely?

[edgy arrow]

heroes iirc

[gaunt fiber]

Elysium is deadly

[edgy arrow]

truth

[agile obsidian]

I hate elysium

[storm lark]

im running 32 heat with shield, which aspect do you think is the best to use? Im torn between Zagreus and Zeus

[agile obsidian]

um maybe chaos

[gaunt fiber]

Play what you like, but chaos is a really safe option

[edgy arrow]

i was running shackle but AP2 forced a boon on special and attack in elysium and my damage plummeted

[mossy zinc]

Zagreus or Zeus imo.

[agile obsidian]

^^^

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf is still very strong at heat that low, though.

You don't really have to take pacts yet that hurt Cast builds.

[gaunt fiber]

Zag is cool but you really need duos and hammer

and by duo I mean Heart Rend

[edgy arrow]

i would def suggest beo, but it’s a bit weird when you first use it and may take some getting used to

[gaunt fiber]

Otherwise it's so slow

[edgy arrow]

it can smash 32 easy tho

[agile obsidian]

really?

Ill have to try it

[edgy arrow]

when you get the hang of it sure

[agile obsidian]

Stygian?

[mossy zinc]

I'd say Zeus is #1, though.

[gaunt fiber]

Zeus really strong tho

Works well without too much

[agile obsidian]

Ive had a hard time using zeus shield

[edgy arrow]

do infernal with flood flare

[agile obsidian]

Ok

[green citrus]

I am considering stepping into the ring on this "do a barrel roll" thing

[agile obsidian]

Ooh mirage shot

[edgy arrow]

yup you got it

[mossy zinc]

Good luck!

[gaunt fiber]

I would challenge you to beat my time but you'd do it with one hand

[green citrus]

Lol, not with Guan Yu I wouldn't

[mossy zinc]

So, challenge him to beat your time with 1 hand.

[gaunt fiber]

^

Do what the lady says

[green citrus]

LUL

[gaunt fiber]

Of course I want a video

[edgy arrow]

do it with no hands

[gaunt fiber]

I mean I trust you but you know

[edgy arrow]

dance pad ftw

[green citrus]

I'd have to use Croven binds I think lol

[gaunt fiber]

Glad the curse is no more

[edgy arrow]

even with croven binds how tf do you play one handed

[green citrus]

Actually claw method on the controller might be easier

[mossy zinc]

There's a Street Fighter V player who plays with his mouse on an Xbox pad.

[gaunt fiber]

Strange in this world

I mean Luffy is a weirdo for using a PS1 controller

[edgy arrow]

oh btw Peach thx for the Arthur 40 advice

i got the clear eventually

[green citrus]

I mean there's plenty of one-handed modded controllers that could work but I'm not gonna invest that just for a challenge lol

[gaunt fiber]

Did you know that Peach hit sub 8 with Arhur tho?

[green citrus]

Nice!

[true fable]

ghaelwinds did a mouse only run

[mossy zinc]

I've also done sub 8 Heat with Excalibur. So what?

[gaunt fiber]

Congrats!

[mossy zinc]

Thank you.

[edgy arrow]

sub 8 heat? didn’t know it went that low

impressive

[agile obsidian]

What does sub 8 heat mean?

[mossy zinc]

It took a lot of mental preparation.

[green citrus]

Actually my 7:48 IGT was with 9 heat thank you very much. 🙂

[mossy zinc]

So not even a true sub 8.

Smh.

[green citrus]

lmaooo

[gaunt fiber]

7:48

Amazing

[edgy arrow]

that’s crazy

[mossy zinc]

Less than 8 Heat.

[agile obsidian]

Right I got that part

but wut

[gaunt fiber]

Less than 8 minutes IGT @agile obsidian

[agile obsidian]

ok

[shy gulch]

wait @green citrus did u run FO2 on Arthur

for any heat

[green citrus]

Yes sir

[true fable]

madlad

[shy gulch]

man what

[true fable]

he big swing

[edgy arrow]

he convinced me to run it for 40

[gaunt fiber]

FO2 is necessary

[edgy arrow]

i was suspicious at first

[gaunt fiber]

It's way faster

[edgy arrow]

but it kinda works

[silk blaze]

FO2 is far above FO1 in actual difficulty right

[true fable]

also any build with zeus is gonna benefit because of jolted procs

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it's a jump

[agile obsidian]

You just have to get used to it

[green citrus]

Believe it or not, I ran FO2 Arthur as one of my first heat pacts LUL

So I just got used to it

[true fable]

LOL

yeah fo2 was one of the first things i turned on

[silk blaze]

That's a way to make yourself get used to it, yeah

[true fable]

havent looked back

[gaunt fiber]

Did you know that some players don't run FO2 and high confidence on GY?

[green citrus]

I mean, HC on GY is 25 health my dude

[agile obsidian]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[mossy zinc]

Not if you never get Static Discharge.

Checkmate, casual.

[true fable]

just get static discharge

[gaunt fiber]

I can still get that sweet chaos gate

[true fable]

[green citrus]

A slugger speeder lout one shots you

[edgy arrow]

yeah what is this “jolted” boon folks keep talking about

i’ve never seen it

[gaunt fiber]

Yes sir

[mossy zinc]

I see you don't play with AP2 like a true hardcore player.

As expected of a casual.

[true fable]

AP2 is for people who dont have enough going on in real life

[gaunt fiber]

[edgy arrow]

real pro gamers use AP3

[agile obsidian]

^^^

[mossy zinc]

Real pro gamers do boonless mirrorless.

[true fable]

tbh AP3 would be more beneficial for high heat sword

if it were an option i would consider taking it

hammers just suck

[mossy zinc]

Oh wow, there's only one person who submitted a boonless mirrorless run to the leaderboard.

[edgy arrow]

but then you have no dedge high roll

[mossy zinc]

Guess there's only one true Hades pro gamer.

[agile obsidian]

I need to try that

[unreal comet]

Thats impressive

[edgy arrow]

hoping i get dedge is like, the only thing keeping me going with nemesis 40

[agile obsidian]

So if I get a boon do I reset

[spring kettle]

if you do boonless and mirrorless which run clear message takes priority?

[mossy zinc]

Thank you.

[spring kettle]

the darkness free or olympian free one?

[mossy zinc]

There's no priority.

[gaunt fiber]

Who is it????

[mossy zinc]

It just picks one at random.

[shy gulch]

ur mom

[green citrus]

I think it's HadesProf right?

[gaunt fiber]

My mom?

[spring kettle]

And how possible would it be to do? Because mirror helps you roll away from boons

[mossy zinc]

No?

[green citrus]

HadesProf has a boonless mirrorless clear I'm pretty sure. Dunno if he submits to this sheet though

[edgy arrow]

i’ve done it

wasn’t the worst

only 8 heat ofc

[gaunt fiber]

I've never done boonless

is it fun

[edgy arrow]

ehhh

a bit?

gets slow late game

[gaunt fiber]

Time to switch off this Dark foresight

[mossy zinc]

Hadesprofessor submits to the high heat leaderboard.

[agile obsidian]

So do I reset if I get a boon?

[gaunt fiber]

No lol

[edgy arrow]

you just can’t use boons

[green citrus]

You just can't use whatever it gives you

[agile obsidian]

ok

[gaunt fiber]

You unbind the corresponding input

[green citrus]

Gives you dash=can't use dash

[edgy arrow]

so if you get an attack boon, don’t attack

[agile obsidian]

And then sell it if I can?

[edgy arrow]

then sell it when you can

[agile obsidian]

ok cool

[spring kettle]

and try to get a useless hermes boon if you have to

[agile obsidian]

Jesus christ this is going to be hard

[spring kettle]

or avoid hermes altogether

[mossy zinc]

I think I had to reset one or two times because of that.

[green citrus]

Speaking of HadesProf, he was working on 57 heat Hestia the other day. Wonder if he got it.

[gaunt fiber]

He's been working on that for a while

[silk blaze]

That's a scary category

[gaunt fiber]

Maybe 3-4 weeks

maybe more

[edgy arrow]

would 57 be the record?

[gaunt fiber]

but he was doing 50 heat at the same time

[edgy arrow]

can’t remember what Crepes got to

think it was 56

[mossy zinc]

Hadesprofessor's last submission was a couple weeks ago.

[gaunt fiber]

We got a 57 victory screen right?

[north dove]

I remember seeing someone get 57 not sure if recorded

[mossy zinc]

Pretty sure he usually submits right away.

Supahsemmie got 57 but no recording.

[gaunt fiber]

lemme get it real quick

[mossy zinc]

Can't say it's WR if we can't verify it, unfortunately.

It might be.

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah that was it

someone did 57 with no recording

[true fable]

retrash are you gonna submit your amalgamation of runs to speedrun.com now

[north dove]

oh they're accepting hell mode files now?

[true fable]

yeye

[mossy zinc]

That's the word, yes.

[edgy arrow]

is that just for 50 or everywhere

[true fable]

everywhere

[gaunt fiber]

Does someone plan to speedrun GY at 40?

[edgy arrow]

oh nice

[green citrus]

You

[true fable]

look if you wanna run CP1 JS1 at 40 i wont stop you

[edgy arrow]

valid point lol

[gaunt fiber]

If no one does, I'll submit my mirrorless and that's it

[green citrus]

looooll, never to return?

[gaunt fiber]

exactly

free WR thx bye

[north dove]

maybe I will then, I'll have to see which runs were pre-patch and all

[true fable]

wasnt that on patch 1.0 astaos

[gaunt fiber]

OH NOES

[edgy arrow]

get the 40 wr with mirrorless GY

that’d mess up the meta

[gaunt fiber]

I have to do it again lmao

[green citrus]

Hahahaha

Rekt

[gaunt fiber]

the patch did not even matter for GY

like I was not using dad call

sigh

[true fable]

too bad boyo

you couldve

🧠

[gaunt fiber]

It's ok

I'll just grind mirrorless a bit someday

[agile obsidian]

32 heat SD or DD?

[gaunt fiber]

and submit a 40+

SD if LC4

DD if you have some LC2 plans

[agile obsidian]

right ok

[edgy arrow]

how practical do y’all reckon beo mirrorless 40 is

[green citrus]

I use DDs but lots of people use SD

[edgy arrow]

been toying with the idea

[agile obsidian]

um not fun im guessing

[true fable]

sounds tough but possible

[green citrus]

For 40, I think mirrorless is possible for lots of weapons. You just can't die lol

[mossy zinc]

I don't even think it's practical at 32 lol.

[edgy arrow]

artticor managed RI3, so it should be doable

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah if you die, you're dead

Pin that pls

[edgy arrow]

just depends how much time i wanna waste ig lol

[true fable]

havent ohokwy and atticor both done mirrorless 32

with beo

[edgy arrow]

yup

[true fable]

or am i trippin

[edgy arrow]

we tryna make it a thing

[mossy zinc]

You can do it, but it's a very gimped Beowulf.

[edgy arrow]

truth

[true fable]

i thought the mirror was a crutch nyaanyaa

[gaunt fiber]

biggest crutch

[mossy zinc]

It is. Also Beowulf sucks.

[agile obsidian]

Hypnos level advice right there

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf and I don't talk anymore.

[gaunt fiber]

I had the exact same thought yesterday when I submitted a mirrorless for the barrel roll

I tried to speedrun

Well 18 min it is lol

[edgy arrow]

i’ll admit me and beowulf’s special rarely talk these days

[true fable]

^

[edgy arrow]

nothing wrong with the rest of the aspect tho

[true fable]

i want to do slicing flare beowulf for when the barrel roll challenge reaches 40 heat

[edgy arrow]

that’s an amazing idea lmao

[mossy zinc]

You don't appreciate how much worse it is than before 1.0 lol.

[gaunt fiber]

Your all casts was fun

[edgy arrow]

i was there then

[true fable]

slicing flare is so much damage

:^)

[edgy arrow]

i only played pre nerf charged flight like once tho so fair

[edgy arrow]

hunting blades

op strat

clearly

[true fable]

you cant get it

[edgy arrow]

pls nerf

[true fable]

you have to spec into freezing vortex arctic blast

[edgy arrow]

lmaooo

[true fable]

hunting blades cant be offered for slicing flare sadly

idk why

[edgy arrow]

i have a physical need to see this at 40

if you don’t do it i will

[true fable]

lol

[bronze viper]

Whoah, ME in Tartarus, time to buy GME stock.

[mossy zinc]

That's a different ME.

[bronze viper]

😦 Long hill to climb back up. I can still more or less yolo 40 with bows but I'm failing runs at 20 with melee. I'm going to be pretty embarrassed if ME can't carry this all the way to the end.

[silk blaze]

I've been trying to do 24 with stygius and I feel that

[true fable]

nothing to be embarrassed about ledger

[halcyon flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/807322414567391242/Hades_125.png

[true fable]

this is how your eyes install new drivers

[halcyon flame]

finally done 32 heat on all weapons

[true fable]

congrats spammy!

[gaunt fiber]

One more bot to the mix

nice

[halcyon flame]

i am officially decent™️ at this game

[true fable]

now do 40

[bronze viper]

Lmao, don't even. I have progressive lenses now. Day 4. It legit feels like I'm installing drivers on dialup wifi

[silk blaze]

Speaking of, I've got to decide whether there's a good reason to take athena vs dio with dash strike nemesis

Phalanx shot, maybe?

[mossy zinc]

All weapons is not all aspects.

Congratulations!

[halcyon flame]

only wish i took p.status because i got rupture and jolt but it was still pretty strong

[true fable]

family favorite is better even if you end up with 2 statuses

[bronze viper]

Omg I didn't have to say it this time

[true fable]

depending on when you got the statuses

[bronze viper]

❤️

[mossy zinc]

All of her boons are great on Nemesis.

[true fable]

ive been fighting the priv stat supporters at every front 😔 ✝️

[edgy arrow]

i haven’t used PS in an age

[gaunt fiber]

I believe PS is only optimal for tempest strike GY (sea storm etc)

[mossy zinc]

I've been using Privileged Status a lot lately.

[bronze viper]

PS is optimal for all sorts of builds. Practicality is the primary concern

[halcyon flame]

i got pos dash so i could easily trigger it

[silk blaze]

Phalanx feels best to leave heart rend crit attack open (though no clue if I'm right in saying that) but alright yeah I can see how she's helpful

[gaunt fiber]

For your Eternal Rose only runs?

[dire steppe]

you can see other gods without taking their keepsake

[mossy zinc]

For all my runs that all start with the Eternal Rose. I don't always keep it on for the entire run.

[gaunt fiber]

Interesting

Keeping it is nice too

[true fable]

sounds like heresy to me

[dire steppe]

it’s not the eternal rose if you take it off

[gaunt fiber]

^

[edgy arrow]

sounds more like the tartarus rose

[dire steppe]

more like the eternal ruse

[edgy arrow]

switching out as soon as it’s convenient eh?

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite trusts me to guide her on a Lady Aphrodite run. Your words can't harm me.

[dire steppe]

uhhh aren’t you being guided

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[mossy zinc]

I guided her last night.

[edgy arrow]

i have no idea how Nyaanyaa’s religion works but it seems pretty sophisticated

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber how come you weren't there to watch?

I actually learned quite a few things preparing for the run.

[bronze viper]

Is It even worth using empowered Dem fist special if you have ME + Greatest Reflexes? Or just dash more lol

[mossy zinc]

Hard to say tbh.

[true fable]

i use it to finish off some targets

depends on hammer for me

[agile obsidian]

At bosses I think its worth

Ocassionally

[halcyon flame]

if you get arty on special then yeah

[bronze viper]

No Explosive Upper so it feels just... worse.

[true fable]

your dash is going to go on cd at some point anyway so if it's safe i would do it at the end of your dash sequences

[agile obsidian]

I like kinectic launcher with dem fists

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I probably wouldn't bother without Explosive Upper.

[bronze viper]

ME requires Divine Flourish, though technically I could sell and get something else

[agile obsidian]

Its fun to see your special kicks going flying

[mossy zinc]

Kinetic Launcher is good but overrated.

[halcyon flame]

kinetic launcher is also really nice on dem fists

[true fable]

yeah that sounds like a lot of work for something that wont add much to your dps ledger

[halcyon flame]

personally i think kinetic launcher are both equally great, they're just a bit different

[agile obsidian]

I just find it fun to use

[bronze viper]

Gotta go fast

[true fable]

i think you can work it in after expending all dashes

[bronze viper]

Kinetic Launcher is my favorite hammer in the game lol, but it's definitely not like... optimal. It's optimally fun though.

[true fable]

what else are you gonna do, stand there and punch them?

[agile obsidian]

^^^

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, you can do a Dash-Upper after your last Dash-Strike.

[gaunt fiber]

Was fighting the kinetic fans earlier

As a Malphon expert I mean

[true fable]

i love kinetic

its more base damage

[mossy zinc]

You're no Malphon expert.

[true fable]

why mad

[fallow stream]

I have always debated what the best boon is for hadoken hammer

[gaunt fiber]

Nah was just saying that explosive upper was doing a better job

[bronze viper]

I like Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish

[true fable]

deadly flourish is the way to go

[gaunt fiber]

But I won with it and everything

[fallow stream]

Explosive upper is for sure best uppercut hammer... But when I hadoken I generally go Zeus

[bronze viper]

Thought the hadoukens hit too closely to proc flourish 5x

[halcyon flame]

explosive upper is stronger

hadouken is less boring

there i said it

[gaunt fiber]

It's not boring

It goes BOOM

[halcyon flame]

boom is lame

[mossy zinc]

@halcyon flame philistine.

[bronze viper]

He said less boring lol. Explosive Upper is plenty fun, but it's not a hadouken factory

[halcyon flame]

unless you can have kinetic AND explosive upper i stand by my statement

[true fable]

you cant

[fallow stream]

Also... Tempest flourish had utility on hadoken for cornering and getting breaking wave to trigger like crazy from a distance

[bronze viper]

SGG is anti-fun

[true fable]

each is exclusive with the other

tempest flourish sounds

bad

[halcyon flame]

relentless volley + hadouken when

[bronze viper]

SGG pls, let me have Triple + Twin + Explosive Shot. Pls

[halcyon flame]

eww explosive

[bronze viper]

At least you're consistent

[halcyon flame]

what do you mean i'm consistent

that my takes suck?

[bronze viper]

You no like boom booms

[silk blaze]

Explosions just good

[fallow stream]

The one cool thing about hadoken is that it has almost no animation, so you don't have to do anything to cancel out of it. Leaves you less exposed

[halcyon flame]

bbut explosive fire is good :( (((((

[true fable]

explosive fire is bad on eris

[bronze viper]

Does anyone know what exactly the Kinetic Launcher power shot does?

[true fable]

like extra bad

wym

the base damage is higher

[fallow stream]

Same as the bow

[true fable]

thats about it

ohh like when you hold it down?

[fallow stream]

Yes

[true fable]

im pretty sure that doesnt do anything

i could be wrong though

[bronze viper]

I think you're right, it's why I asked lol

[halcyon flame]

it's nice to pull off at least

[bronze viper]

It feels good to do but I don't think it's worth it (other than for range)

[vital grove]

Charged special is nice tho

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I don't powershot on GY skewer either

[halcyon flame]

i'd assume that the power shot deals more damage because it wouldn't make sense if it was just "more range"

[fallow stream]

Just try a fist combo and tap special with kinetic launcher... There's no cooldown, you can go right back into a combo, no exposure

It's significantly faster than the uppercut.

[true fable]

its about the same

as someone who likes both

[bronze viper]

Enlightened Malphon Centrist

[fallow stream]

E=MC...

[true fable]

🧠

[fallow stream]

Lol

The dumbest hammer is the Quake hammer. I'll take flying hammer more often than I take Quake... And flying hammer is bad. Only really works with Talos

[true fable]

the thing about quake cutter is

its kind of a lot of damage

like

[bronze viper]

They buffed it, right? Does it perform relevant game actions yet?

[true fable]

90?!

kind of a lot

[daring hedge]

i at least give points to quake for inheriting boon damage and effects

flaring spin pulses though? oof

[true fable]

yah

idk its not good

but its big dam

[bronze viper]

With regards to sword hammers, which hammers now apply to dash strikes? Piercing Wave does now, are they all like that?

[daring hedge]

yeah it's typically too awkward to be useful esp. at high heat

[true fable]

piercing wave and breaching

[daring hedge]

breaching slash also applies to dash-strikes, as well as hoarding

[true fable]

and then obviously dedge

really? hoarding?

thats the first im hearing of this

[fallow stream]

Shadow slash does not apply the dash strikes

[true fable]

you know the funny thing about shadow slash

it tells you you backstab

like the backstab text comes up

and the damage is just

the same

[fallow stream]

Because it's only on the thrust

Which is dumb

[bronze viper]

Breaching is super dece though. Nice buff

[daring hedge]

ye

[true fable]

neat

[daring hedge]

you can see it work in like haelian's huge hoarding slash damage vid

[true fable]

changes minorly my valuation of hoarding slash

[daring hedge]

yeah lol it's not huge in any practical situation still

[bronze viper]

It's better than close to literally nothing, which is what it offered before.

[true fable]

exactly lol

[silk blaze]

Still not particularly good

[true fable]

i value it above shadow

thats all

[daring hedge]

and still offers on arthur

[gaunt fiber]

It's very good to kill small enemies so you can't regen on em with GY

[daring hedge]

hey now don't try to sell flaring spin to me

it was my first hammer with hades 52

[fallow stream]

I find double edge somewhat useless as well... I feel I have to wait too long for the 2x dash strike to land... I usually cancel out into another dash beforehand

[true fable]

?

uh

[daring hedge]

wh

[true fable]

who

[gaunt fiber]

Excuse me

[bronze viper]

¿

[fallow stream]

I'm not saying I don't like it

[true fable]

por que?

[daring hedge]

you said you find it somewhat useless

which is big ?

[fallow stream]

I'm just saying that I skip the 2x hit very often

[bronze viper]

I mean, I find Nemesis somewhat useless without it, so that's fair.

[gaunt fiber]

Oh yeah

[true fable]

i

ok

[fallow stream]

I tend to go for dash nova, double nova or super Nova

[true fable]

dedge is the only hammer that you need on sword

most of the time

lol

[bronze viper]

I wish the hammer didn't exist honestly. So the damage could just belong to the base sword

Because runs without it don't feel real

They feel... managed.

[silk blaze]

Is there any hammer other than the dash strike one that nemesis dash strike likes, I'm deciding against health

[true fable]

yeah

[fallow stream]

I like flurry slash over dedge most times

[bronze viper]

It doesn't add interesting gameplay lol. It just improves the best damage loop

[true fable]

breaching/piercing wave

flurry is one of the worst possible pickups lmao

along with cursed slash

[daring hedge]

flurry slash makes empty dashes needlessly difficult to pull off and i only consider it with cursed slash

[bronze viper]

Don't hate, flurry slash is good(tm) on Zagspect

[sly remnant]

i mean the problem with both sword and spear is that one hammer on both of them makes their base kit crap because the 2 hammers are insane

[fallow stream]

Flurry + cursed or flurry + pierce wave is fun

[gaunt fiber]

The official term is Zagius

[sly remnant]

so they have to balance the rest of the weapon around one hammer on each of them

and ultimately hurt the weapon

[bronze viper]

I think spear is mostly fine the way it is.

Or I think Hades aspect is mostly fine the way it is

lol

[daring hedge]

hades and GY be like [do not get flurry jab]

[north dove]

flurry slash is the worst sword hammer at high heat, significantly worse than cursed slash

[bronze viper]

The other 3 are... very specific in their requirements

[true fable]

hades and gy bad

send tweet

flurry jab good

[daring hedge]

retrash is right honestly

[gaunt fiber]

On Zag too?

[north dove]

yes

[gaunt fiber]

Damn

[daring hedge]

i know he's said it before, but i tried it myself on nem/zag sword 50/51 and like

[fallow stream]

Really? I've always liked using divine strike + attack speed buff with it

[daring hedge]

it's awful

it feels bad

[gaunt fiber]

What do you pick then

[true fable]

it bricks your dash strike combo

[sly remnant]

^

[fallow stream]

You can facetank like crazy... It's like a win button

[bronze viper]

Does Cursed work on dash strikes too now?

[true fable]

you literally cannot do special > dash strike dash strike with flurry slash

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but I'm used not to dash strike on Zag with flurry

[true fable]

it does not

sorry to say ledger

[bronze viper]

Womp womp

[true fable]

ez resets though

[sly remnant]

any sword hammer that says "slash" only works on normal standing attacks

[true fable]

except breaching

[bronze viper]

And hoarding

[daring hedge]

breaching slash and hoarding

[bronze viper]

lol

[fallow stream]

Um...wut? I have no problem doing that

[silk blaze]

Where is world splitter in all this

[bronze viper]

I love Stygius. What a masterpiece.

[sly remnant]

HOARDING WORKS ON DASH????

[daring hedge]

yes

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[true fable]

world splitter also bricks your combo

[sly remnant]

i knew about breaching

[gaunt fiber]

World Splitter enables the real game

[sly remnant]

i did not know about hoarding

[true fable]

manthro what heat are you using flurry divine on lol

[daring hedge]

world splitter enables true unga bunga sword

[silk blaze]

I've got a build that's only missing heart rend that's being offered hoarding slash, double nova, and world splitter

[gaunt fiber]

Bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk bonk

[north dove]

at least world splitter does good damage and doesn't remove iframes from your dash

[true fable]

world splitter crits on nem

[daring hedge]

yeah