h1-high-heat-strategies

[shy gulch]

[true fable]

bablo got 2 wrs this week

hes been back

[bronze viper]

Only 2?

[rain sedge]

pogU

[shy gulch]

yeah he's been doing owo a lot actually

p interesting

[ripe crane]

What's an owo

[bronze viper]

lmao

[shy gulch]

one weapon only

[tidal flame]

one wep only

[shy gulch]

run all 4 aspects of one weapon

[rain sedge]

OwO what's t his

[spiral island]

Yes

[true fable]

a name for the community by the community

[ripe crane]

Ooooh interesting.

[spiral island]

OwO

[shy gulch]

its a recent category

[tidal flame]

UwU

[true fable]

proudly voted upon by the red names

[shy gulch]

the community voted to name it owo

as we should

[mossy zinc]

Une weapon unly.

[tidal flame]

degenerates

[shy gulch]

and what about it foxhope

[true fable]

ive never been more proud of the hades community tbh

[ripe crane]

I would pick uhhhh fists

[shy gulch]

me too bright

[spiral island]

Regenerates

[true fable]

4x ME pog

[tidal flame]

I like it

[shy gulch]

😩

[true fable]

hf crepes

[rain sedge]

imagine rolling 4x ME in a row

[shy gulch]

shield and rail seem most interesting to me

[spiral island]

Same

[rain sedge]

just go to vegas at that point

[true fable]

shield is very fun

[bronze viper]

Imagine rolling ME

[tidal flame]

GME is this way

[rain sedge]

shield seems to have the most varied gameplay

[true fable]

you just need explosive return or charged shot on chaos shield

hmm

[shy gulch]

yeah all the shields are pretty distinct

[ripe crane]

I would just Zeus every time for consistency

[shy gulch]

chaos shield is just kind of a stinker

zeus gilga fists 😩

[rain sedge]

rail just feels like playing eris 4x with varying strength

[true fable]

zeus fists stinky send tweet

[shy gulch]

nah each rail is actually p unique

lucifer builds and plays like bootleg eris but it feels cool bc laser

so theres that

[true fable]

webs did 4x eris build and got WR for a while

[shy gulch]

shut up

we dont mention that run

in this household

[true fable]

LOL

[bronze viper]

Did they did anything while I was gone to de-poo Lucifer or Gilgamesh?

[ripe crane]

Many bullet, one bullet, strong bullet, long bullet

[rain sedge]

high rolling spread shot doesnt count for zag rail btw

[shy gulch]

gilga is still pretty poo

i like lucifer tho

wdym doesnt count

[true fable]

long bullet LMFAO

[rain sedge]

it doesnt count as "varying gameplay"

[shy gulch]

why not

[true fable]

why not

[bronze viper]

Lol, why not

[rain sedge]

because it's high roll

[shy gulch]

you just start it

[true fable]

???

[shy gulch]

and reset for spread fire

[rain sedge]

exactly

[shy gulch]

then the other 3 are standard

i dont see what your issue is

[daring hedge]

these are some wild high heat strategies

[bronze viper]

You're still on a bad Eris if you miss. Which is way better than half the aspects

[spiral island]

Measures Extreme

[true fable]

LOL

thanks tail

[spiral island]

ME

[true fable]

50 heat owo when

[rain sedge]

high rolling is a high heat strat :3

[shy gulch]

lol

[daring hedge]

👀

[true fable]

that would be a pretty huge flex tbh

[shy gulch]

but yeah spread fire zag rail is really cool

[rain sedge]

you, mr getting-just-the-perfect-anvil, should know that

[true fable]

submitting a spowo at 50 heat

[shy gulch]

just get heroic dashes with it and even bright can get a sub 8

shocking

[spiral island]

Shotguns are shotfun

[true fable]

:^)

[gaunt fiber]

He does not, he mentionned the high heat community too

[ripe crane]

Why are the owo times like over an hour. Is it rta?

[true fable]

its fun

rta yeah

[shy gulch]

yeah crepes

any multirun format is RTA

[daring hedge]

rta yeah

[shy gulch]

owo, 3weps, all weps

[true fable]

all aspects

[ripe crane]

All aspects when

[true fable]

[shy gulch]

the bablo

[rain sedge]

bablo did it

[spiral island]

I don't think I've ever seen someone with a red name speak in this chat

[shy plinth]

Bablo is the only person to use our multi-run form

[tidal flame]

all aspects is what? 5 hours estimate?

[shy gulch]

lol no

[true fable]

8 is good

[shy gulch]

bablo got sub 8

[true fable]

10 is decent

[spiral island]

Or in any chat

[ripe crane]

Amir has

[bronze viper]

The least descriptive sentence possible.

[spiral island]

Ah

[shy gulch]

its like 6 owos in a row

[gaunt fiber]

OwO*

[spiral island]

The cavalry

[true fable]

i think thats what im gonna do for my all aspects

6 owos

[tidal flame]

Just run the aspects sequentially

[true fable]

just in case i end up with something submittable

[spiral island]

It's an OwOrmy

[tidal flame]

eventually you will hit WR

[daring hedge]

40 heat owo actually sounds fun

[true fable]

40 heat owo sword would be somewhat

[rain sedge]

do it

[true fable]

hellish

[gaunt fiber]

40 heat owo spear

[daring hedge]

stream concepts tm

[gaunt fiber]

just go

[rain sedge]

flex on us tail

also

when is your stream?

[ripe crane]

Has Tail started streaming yet

[shy plinth]

Spear yes

[true fable]

this weekend tm

[daring hedge]

i'm gonna start this weekend

ye

[tidal flame]

ping

me

[rain sedge]

POG

[tidal flame]

plox

[rain sedge]

ping me

you have some aspects at 50 left right?

[true fable]

just @ everyone the discord tbh

[daring hedge]

i also promised bright to stream poseidon sword and beo for 50s

[rain sedge]

if you one try eris aspect I'm gonna be so gimped

[true fable]

wtf is that ping

[tidal flame]

ask mod to post annoucement

[spiral island]

HopeFope

[shy gulch]

tail strim tail strim tail strim

[tidal flame]

@here

[rain sedge]

did you actually just

ping everyone

wtf did you do

[shy plinth]

It's disabled for users lol

[ripe crane]

Nice job you're getting banned

[tidal flame]

it doesn't work lol

[spiral island]

Fantastical

[tidal flame]

go nuts @torpid jewel

[rain sedge]

wight is gonna ban your ass

[true fable]

please

[rain sedge]

does it not work?

[ripe crane]

@everyone they can't ban all of us!

[bronze viper]

I like when people tag everyone. Makes me feel randomly special when I alt+tab back in :3

[spiral island]

He pinged someone named everyone

[true fable]

every day i wake up hoping to get kicked out of this discord :^)

[tidal flame]

of course not lol. they ban curse words, of coutrse they disabled @everyone

[tidal flame]

@onyx venture

[spiral island]

They can't ban blood and darkness

[daring hedge]

[true fable]

[rain sedge]

@torn vapor hello high-heat-mod-lurker I would like to call 911 📞

[daring hedge]

YALL NO PESTERING THE MODS

[gaunt fiber]

everyone was actually the name of someone here

[tidal flame]

mod me

[spiral island]

Mods aren't real

[rain sedge]

but yea ping us when you stream tail

[tidal flame]

then you can pester me

[true fable]

wouldnt it be funny if they banned everyone except me

[torn vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-winfrey-happy-excited-stoked-ecstatic-gif-4771214

[true fable]

i cant escape

[tidal flame]

lmao

[torn vapor]

I'm here

[spiral island]

There is no escape

[bronze viper]

Wow, the dead summoning rituals are strong today

[gaunt fiber]

I do not deserve a ban

[rain sedge]

bots dont get banned

[gaunt fiber]

But someone needs to die it has to be Fox

goobye Fox

[torn vapor]

So what's wrong?

[rain sedge]

bright wants a cute ban ❤️

[tidal flame]

Nothing, just a casual mutiny.

[bronze viper]

A playful ban on the wrist

[mossy zinc]

Y'all need help.

[torn vapor]

Ooooh, I see...

[rain sedge]

okay astaos, I do not want to see that reactionn ever again

[tidal flame]

we jk dont ban bright

[gaunt fiber]

Me neither

I'm really sorry

[ripe crane]

I'm glad I came back just in time to watch everyone else get banned

[shy gulch]

every day i wake up hoping to be banned from life

[rain sedge]

I vote for banning @mossy zinc

[mossy zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392290842196443139/589806096957308958/ezgif-5-02c601d99c69.gif

[tidal flame]

Seconded

[torn vapor]

I wouldn't want to kick anyone when there's no reason to do so. However, if you feel you need a time out from the server, you could mute it and bury it somewhere in your list of servers, maybe?

[daring hedge]

any player coming in here for actual high heat strategies rn: 😬

[bronze viper]

These are high heat strategies

[tidal flame]

Bright is too addicted. Bright will follow Baj's footsteps.

[rain sedge]

oh please, this place has not been giving high heat strats since weeks ago

[gaunt fiber]

sad but he's right

[tidal flame]

shh don't say that when mods are watching chat lmao

[torn vapor]

Glad that you mention it! Why don't you guys discuss about how wonderful Ocean's Bounty is at heat 67?

[daring hedge]

LOL

[rain sedge]

unironically not the worst poseidon boon at AP2

[shy gulch]

well you see

[tidal flame]

heat 67?
mega

[gaunt fiber]

Heat 67 does not exist mr. mod

[rain sedge]

y'all want tempest strike instead? lmfao

[shy gulch]

oceans bounty is a prereq for huge catch, the best boon in the game

[daring hedge]

it does if you take ocean's bounty astaos

[bronze viper]

We should set up a bot to ask for 32 heat pacts on a daily script to keep the channel #relevant

[shy gulch]

you should get it as often as you can

[torn vapor]

[gaunt fiber]

That's off topic,

[rain sedge]

because when I see tempest strike at my hestia 54 I just beeline to the closest trap

[gaunt fiber]

... Maybe

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber, that's part of your programming, no?

[rain sedge]

it is a daily question, but it's pinned now

[tidal flame]

yall trashing ocean bounty. all it takes is for Tail to take it on 55+ to make it S tier.
See also Repulse Shot and Spreadfire Lightning Strike.

[gaunt fiber]

My programming is mostly random actions

[rain sedge]

!badbot

[tidal flame]

🦇

[gaunt fiber]

But I do have a functionnality for 32

[plush scaffold]

i'm often dying on Lernie or Minos at 32 heat, any advice ?

[gaunt fiber]

LILI

[rain sedge]

omg

[gaunt fiber]

You were wrong about the women

[torn vapor]

Thank you, Lili

[tidal flame]

have you tried Eris?

[mossy zinc]

Ocean's Bounty is great.

[rain sedge]

we summoned not only the dead but a creature from another dimension

[true fable]

yeah that sounds about right for 32 heat

[mossy zinc]

Sunken Treasure sucks.

[tidal flame]

Heard Eris is p good

[true fable]

lernie and heroes it really helps to have the tooth or acorn imo

eris im assuming?

[plush scaffold]

that is actually my issue, Hestia is much safr than Eris at "high" heat

[rain sedge]

uh wait is that a real question

[tidal flame]

^

[bronze viper]

Lol, have we figured out what high heat is yet?

[rain sedge]

isnt lili an actual god from the speedrunning world

[shy gulch]

lili in high heat strats????

wowza

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[tidal flame]

Astaos max heat + 1

[mossy zinc]

Your Heat +1.

[daring hedge]

yeah, hestia is probably easier for high heat overall

[true fable]

are you doing eris or nah

[tidal flame]

we have been over this

[shy gulch]

and yeah lili hestia is extremely good for high heat

[bronze viper]

Zing

[shy gulch]

better than eris imo

[daring hedge]

eris is still great but more dangerous

[true fable]

my main tip for eris is remembering that it is still technically a ranged weapon

[daring hedge]

has a similar problem as like, nem sword

[shy gulch]

hestia is just so safe

[mossy zinc]

So, 41+.

[true fable]

you have the choice not to unga bunga into things

[shy gulch]

lol right bright? i keep thinking eris is melee

why can i not just unga bunga 😔

[rain sedge]

I mean

[true fable]

that was the main thing for me doing eris 40+

[gaunt fiber]

...

[rain sedge]

if you're a speedrunner and want to clear 32 heat for the first time

[daring hedge]

when AP2 spread fire forces you to unga bunga

[gaunt fiber]

41+ sure

[true fable]

some things can kill you before you kill them

[gaunt fiber]

but mirrorless

[rain sedge]

eris is the last weapon that I'd recommend

[true fable]

so just know which things those are

[rain sedge]

because you'll play it like a speedrunner, and you'll die

[true fable]

and dont unga bunga them

[mossy zinc]

Of course.

[gaunt fiber]

Nice.

[tidal flame]

just dont take HL5 and 32 heat is no different than speedrun heat

[rain sedge]

just do the flurry jab achilles it plays the same at 32

[gaunt fiber]

Fox what is your highest mirrorless

[true fable]

but yeah lili lernie and mino are often the bottlenecks for higher heat

[tidal flame]

low

[rain sedge]

ya but they do tidal dash etc and use health as a resource

[true fable]

those are the two real danger zones

[tidal flame]

like 16 something. I hate RI4

and also im bad but we dont talk about that

[gaunt fiber]

Then I'm afraid you must go back to #h1-builds-and-combat

[tidal flame]

!badbot

[mossy zinc]

No, actually.

#h1-for-new-players

[tidal flame]

technically mirrorless is p close to new player experience

[mossy zinc]

"Do a barrel roll!" challenge is at 21 Heat now.

[tidal flame]

so yall should be going there

[gaunt fiber]

Shade?

[rain sedge]

#h1-for-new-players gives better advice than #h1-builds-and-combat

[shy gulch]

health is a R E S O U R C E

[rain sedge]

fight me

[torpid jewel]

WHOMST'VE BEEN PINGING MEH!?

[tidal flame]

always has been

[rain sedge]

lmfao remember when bright said the words

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah these days I'm trying to chill in builds and combat

[tidal flame]

because @torpid jewel works that way. suffer.

[rain sedge]

"boon E C O N O M Y"

[shy gulch]

boon economy

the MIND of bright01

[daring hedge]

why subject yourself to this

[shy gulch]

unparalleled

[true fable]

boon economy is a real thing

😠

[shy gulch]

:^)

[rain sedge]

@true fable how does it feel to not be able to buy a hat because your brain is too big?

[true fable]

:^)

[shy gulch]

sorry whats a boon economy? i dont play beowulf

i play a good weapon

[mossy zinc]

Don't be so rude to the players in #h1-builds-and-combat. Be kind.

[gaunt fiber]

That's a good question. But Nyaanyaa found me there so it can't be too bad, right?

[plush scaffold]

it's fun to see some speedrun folks here ^_^. anyway I usually solve my Lernie/Minos issues with cluster/rocket

[true fable]

TRUE

[daring hedge]

boon economy? you mean deadly strike and hunter dash?

[true fable]

beowulf bad

[shy gulch]

lmfao lili

i usually solve my lernie mino issues by crying

[true fable]

thats a pretty good solution tbh

[tidal flame]

You get both? Usually just one of two.

[shy gulch]

or playing hestia and staying 5 miles away frmo them

[true fable]

for real though mino make sure youre dashing through and playing near walls and objects

[gaunt fiber]

Croven Bright and Tailesque

[true fable]

to dodge the charge

[gaunt fiber]

that's a lot of speedrunners

[rain sedge]

for lernie you wanna play it slow, instead of speedrun-method

[shy gulch]

says the current GY WR holder

[gaunt fiber]

• Lili tonight

[true fable]

for lernie make sure not to play around lots of heads

[gaunt fiber]

we're blessed

[rain sedge]

like watch the heads carefully and rotate to the heads not with the main head

[plush scaffold]

Minos charge is not the issue, the spin is horrible for a 32 heat speedrun

[daring hedge]

i'm a speedrunner that can only function at my peak in a high heat environment

[true fable]

yeah its a time loss

but you just take the time loss and cry

[gaunt fiber]

Does not count

[shy gulch]

yeah the only way to really avoid that is like

not doing EM3

LUL

[rain sedge]

athena call

[gaunt fiber]

I got verified today btw!

[shy gulch]

wait actually? congrats!

[rain sedge]

congrats @gaunt fiber

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[shy gulch]

our boy is on the boards

[tidal flame]

as in run verified?

[true fable]

nice astaos

[gaunt fiber]

yes

[tidal flame]

what's the category?

[daring hedge]

spin is one of those things where you wait it out if you don't have range, unfortunately

[gaunt fiber]

Any heat

[true fable]

highest ranked 🤖 on the leaderboard

[daring hedge]

it does eat time

[plush scaffold]

gratz astaos

[shy gulch]

any heat guan yu

the most demanding of categories

[tidal flame]

k ill take a look

!goodbot

[mossy zinc]

That's you, yes.

[shy gulch]

spin is another reason why hestia is so poggers

can deal damage while mino is spinning

[true fable]

🤖

eris can too

[tidal flame]

just tank it

[gaunt fiber]

If you tank it you can proc the invicibility shield

so it's ok

[tidal flame]

spearpoint strat

[true fable]

does GY even get a shield

dont you just die

[gaunt fiber]

GY dies

[shy gulch]

you just die with GY

[true fable]

to one spin

[daring hedge]

Lol

[torn vapor]

I can see how you all are joking with each other (or at least I hope you all are). In the case where anyone is feeling like someone isn't following rule #1 "Be kind", do state so so that people can feel comfortable and, in the case that they aren't being respectful, inform a mod

[gaunt fiber]

Oh no

We sure are

[tidal flame]

I would like to report @gaunt fiber

[true fable]

[gaunt fiber]

Just ban that Fox

[tidal flame]

xD

[true fable]

please ban both of them

[shy gulch]

can we ban the high heat channel entirely

at this pt

[true fable]

and then me

[daring hedge]

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-rachel-green-facepalm-friends-rachel-rachel-friends-gif-16169065

[ripe crane]

Peach is regretting ever responding to that ping

[warped thorn]

I'm going to intervene and recommend you fine folks return to the topic at hand, which should be high heat strategies 😉

[true fable]

i sure learned a lot about how to approach high heat

[torn vapor]

Also bear in mind rule #3 "Stay on topic"-- Ohi Tatz!

[shy gulch]

alright my strategy: use hestia

[gaunt fiber]

@mossy zinc Good job for the reactions

[true fable]

thanks guys

[torn vapor]

I was gonna say that next but you came and now I must hug you

[true fable]

lili i hope that was somewhat useful

[gaunt fiber]

End of the fun, back to the pain

[true fable]

at least

[shy gulch]

lmfao

[daring hedge]

Yeah lili sorry about all of this

[shy gulch]

for 32 heat speed i think u can just play it like any heat tbh, but realize health is a smaller resource than usual

[plush scaffold]

Think I never met a mean person in the Hades community

[shy gulch]

from what ive seen ppl do, apparently they're finding BP2 to be less of a timeloss than EM3

which is interesting

[gaunt fiber]

Lili you will crush 32 I'm sure

[tidal flame]

Stream it lili

[true fable]

BP2 isnt more of a time loss than BP1 imo

[warped thorn]

You're welcome to create your own dm group or mini server to converse casually with. Otherwise you need to abide by the rules of the server and keep off topic to the appropriate channels.

[true fable]

but admittedly its been a while since i did 32 heat speedruns

[shy gulch]

same

im just going by what ive seen in sr cord

[ripe crane]

I was really hoping RobloxFan69 had a 60 hestia by now 😔

[gaunt fiber]

I'm joking

But the idea of a GY server sounds appealing indeed

[tidal flame]

ew

[mossy zinc]

Hi.

[shy gulch]

at least nyaanyaa is self aware

[tidal flame]

This is proof. Ban.

Also how Gilgamesh?

[gaunt fiber]

T O P I C

[daring hedge]

here's a simulation:
"hey guys i have no health"
"yeah me too"

[torn vapor]

We are not kidding. Stay on topic else we will have to take action.

It has been enough already.

[plush scaffold]

the off topic was really fun, but joke aside I still wonder what I should do against minos spins at 32 heat in a speedrun

[gaunt fiber]

I remember you asked about that yeah

[daring hedge]

with melee range, you do just have to stay away mostly

[tidal flame]

Should you even take EM3?

[shy gulch]

i genuinely think that you either have to accept the time loss or not do EM3

i dont think theres another way of going about it

[gaunt fiber]

Afaik you can't manipulate the AI

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I just wouldn't take EM3 personally.

[daring hedge]

yeah what croven said really

[shy gulch]

unless u have like athenas call yeah

[rain sedge]

I mean don't you just play eris anyway at 32 speedrun?

[ripe crane]

Isn't em3 faster

[rain sedge]

and that spin isnt a problem?

[shy gulch]

nah em3 is a big timeloss

the spin is a problem

eris plays at a melee range

[ripe crane]

Hm

[daring hedge]

it depends on how fast you can chunk them

[mossy zinc]

They also have a lot more HP in EM3.

[plush scaffold]

I play Eris 32 yeah, Hestia was too slow/inconsistent.

[daring hedge]

EM3 is fine on rama 32/40 because with good hammers asterius gets relatively deleted

[shy gulch]

they separate, minotaur has much worse attack patterns, and theseus has more health

[daring hedge]

but with eris yeah i can see that being a potential issue

[tidal flame]

Rama 32 also solves that no?

[shy gulch]

also theseus runs around like a little nerd so that takes more time

[gaunt fiber]

I'm guessing you kinda want to avoid HL and LC for high confidence right

[shy gulch]

rama i assume u kinda just tag with shared suffering, nuke minotaur, then deal with an already half dead theseus?

[daring hedge]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

They both have more HP in EM3.

[shy gulch]

oh really i thought it was just theseus

well thats evne worse

also astaos i think u just accept no HC at that point

[gaunt fiber]

So it would be BP? But it's slow too except for barge

[ripe crane]

I also thought just one

[daring hedge]

mino goes down quick and then theseus takes like one power shot to phase from there

[shy gulch]

BP2 is what ive seen ppl take yeah

[gaunt fiber]

Lili go BP and get barged

ez

[shy gulch]

barge good with MM

[daring hedge]

yeah MM barge isn't that bad

[honest kernel]

C

[plush scaffold]

I'm playing HC/LC/EM3/BP1/MM/FO2/HS/TD3 (hope I didnt miss one)

[shy gulch]

is that HL in the first slot?

just checking

and yeah the trade from EM3->BP2 is one ive seen ppl take in sr cord

maybe try it if you havent already

[gaunt fiber]

HL LC maxed then?

[tidal flame]

isn't DC relatively free on Lightning Strike weapons?

[gaunt fiber]

It will mess up megs and stuff imo

[shy gulch]

kinda? it messes with rocket bomb if you get it

is the thing

and you always want rocket w eris

[tidal flame]

true

[plush scaffold]

Yeah, i'm using SD now to get rid of some other bad boons like BP2

[daring hedge]

not really, you can tag immediately after initiating meg

and the hearts get stripped in time

[gaunt fiber]

for DC1 rail sure

that's right

[daring hedge]

DC2 as well

[gaunt fiber]

rail

[daring hedge]

and fists

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I'm biased

[daring hedge]

and anything with lightning

[tidal flame]

one attack = 2 instance of damage correct?

lightning and the attack itself

[shy gulch]

it'll also make styx more of an issue if each chamber u cant just rocket bomb your way through

thats like a second or two timeloss in every single styx chamber probably? i dunno the numbers but it sounds painful

[gaunt fiber]

Even for Dad?

[true fable]

RI?

[daring hedge]

i don't meg dad at the start always

[gaunt fiber]

I see

[daring hedge]

but for champs, yes

[gaunt fiber]

champs yeah

[tidal flame]

Does it even matter when you meg at Hades as long as you don't overkill?

[mossy zinc]

On a single target, yes. On multiple targets, you get more hits from Chain Lightning.

[plush scaffold]

HS my bad, it's already such a pain btw :-p

[shy gulch]

megging instantly is best because 1) guaranteed hit, and 2) its phase 1, which has darknesses

[true fable]

for sure

[shy gulch]

HS ;_;

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[shy gulch]

hs makes me sad

[true fable]

was just concerned about the casual routine inspection

[tidal flame]

HS is freeeeeeee

[gaunt fiber]

Little gremlin is right

[true fable]

and everyone skipping over it

[shy gulch]

yeah i missed that bright lmao

boutta do some casual mirrorless 32 speedruns

ez

[mossy zinc]

You'll want to summon sometime in phase 1 vs Hades to reduce the time he can spend invisible.

[shy gulch]

^

[daring hedge]

just not exactly guaranteed with say, fists and DC2

[shy gulch]

yeah

ideally you want to do it instantly, but dc2 can mess with that sometimes

if ur weapon cant remov eit instantly like our boy rama

[tidal flame]

well you can strip a DC heart so it's still pretty pog

[gaunt fiber]

should be ok with demeter cast

[shy gulch]

meme beam best cast pog

[true fable]

@plush scaffold are you speedrunning or just trying to push the heat

out of curiosity

or just a lil bit column a column b

[plush scaffold]

I'm trying to get close to 7 on 32 heat

[shy gulch]

do u have a pb rn

[gaunt fiber]

Brain submitted a run for 32 GY

a mirrorless could not beat it I'm afraid

[plush scaffold]

had a 7:20 two days ago but it was too messy to show =p

[proud jay]

think i saw a ping?

[daring hedge]

schad does that sometimes

[plush scaffold]

and many runs died to Lernie or Minos because I have to be very agressive

[gaunt fiber]

typical Lili, it's WR but too messy

[daring hedge]

yeah, those situations for high heat speed are tough because you do just need to back off at certain points

even if it feels bad to do so

[rain sedge]

I think what I hear is you want to play 32 heat like you do any heat, but there's no way to do that

[gaunt fiber]

You kinda do tho

[plush scaffold]

I'm trying though ^_^

[proud jay]

you can almost do that

[rain sedge]

there's compromises between safety and speed that has to be made

or yknow, we can just big brain it

AP2, reset if you get bad boons

done

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[proud jay]

except if you're super fast at killing you don't need to worry about enemies too much

like it's almost the same

bosses still hand it to you

[rain sedge]

well I suppose if we translate that 4:28 nemesis run to 32 heat

[gaunt fiber]

Build grind + RNG room grind + AP2

[rain sedge]

we'll get 5 mins maybe?

[plush scaffold]

that is something I dont really like about 32 heat Eris. if you have a steamrolling build, the damage *you take is not really a problem anymore

[rain sedge]

because there's so many free rooms

[shy gulch]

a literal WR lmfao

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

classic

[shy gulch]

indeed

[proud jay]

WR != good

alright?

[shy gulch]

and yeah i think 32 heat is like

essentially the same as any heat but slightly more punishing

i really think you can just play it the same way

but a tad more careful

[daring hedge]

yeah, you can't entirely ignore certain enemy or boss moves while you go ham

[gaunt fiber]

No HC seems huge

[daring hedge]

but you still mostly can

[shy gulch]

right tail

i dont think its that huge myself tbh

its not like beowulf where no HC means you miss critical thresholds

[gaunt fiber]

I would not want to lose HC on Guan Yu tho

[shy gulch]

well yeah but we simply play good weapons

[gaunt fiber]

well excuse me

[shy gulch]

❤️

[daring hedge]

HC?

[shy gulch]

high confidence

[daring hedge]

ah thought you were talking pacts yeye

[proud jay]

not something people usually talk about on this channel i guess lol

[daring hedge]

yeah lol

[gaunt fiber]

true

[shy gulch]

yea lmao

[daring hedge]

i'm so used to thick skin or nothing at all because RI2

[true fable]

i take HC for 32 heat beo speedruns

but

[plush scaffold]

getting a wr but making a lot mistakes and having a ton of luck is kinda shameful

[gaunt fiber]

Does that mean speedrunners are confident?

[true fable]

would recommend just not playing beowulf for 32 heat speedruns

:^)

save yourself the pain

[daring hedge]

bright where's that 40 beo speedrun :)

[shy gulch]

:).

[proud jay]

yeah i meant to agree with you @plush scaffold , not all WRs are what you are ready to submit

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I get that feeling. It's like missing Meg at heroes. I would not submit a run like that

[plush scaffold]

lol

[true fable]

LOL

beat me to the punch astaos

[true fable]

NOMEGALUL

[daring hedge]

don't you want to bang your head against the approval process wall :^)

[shy gulch]

:).

[plush scaffold]

I like resetting, but maybe Ap is a bit too much

[shy gulch]

lol yeah ap is just pain

[daring hedge]

yeah AP is just a chore really

and mostly becomes a necessity for 40 heat when an aspect would just lose too much time with DC on

poor beo

even CF just hurts beo a lot

[gaunt fiber]

My only beo run is CF2, it was really smooth

[daring hedge]

i'm talking 40 speed though

[gaunt fiber]

I'm not feeding Charon anymore, he's just stealing boons and selling them

[tidal flame]

Like ever?

[daring hedge]

where you want quite a lot

[gaunt fiber]

how can you agree with that

I don't know how to make a decent Beo 40 tho

[agile obsidian]

Ive started a run at 23 heat(my first time even going remotely this high) and have just cleared asphodel and have lost 1 dd so far. Im using rama. Any tips for elysium?

[gaunt fiber]

No CF no DC no AP

[tidal flame]

What's your hammer? If any?

[agile obsidian]

Twinshot

Twin shot

[daring hedge]

greatshields and big chariots are likely going to be the biggest threats for you here

[gaunt fiber]

My only clear. I had two other runs but I don't remember them

[agile obsidian]

ok

Tartarus was hard

Like really hard

[gaunt fiber]

you have twin shot you win

[agile obsidian]

Ive figured that out with rama at this point lol

[daring hedge]

otherwise you can very easily outrange for safe power shots, until you get used to timing them up close from enemy whiffs

[gaunt fiber]

I would suggest to play with terrain a lot in Elysium, especially vs chariots

[agile obsidian]

ok

[tidal flame]

Do you have EM on?

[agile obsidian]

em2

[gaunt fiber]

good

[rain sedge]

Free

[tidal flame]

Ok then you are fine

[agile obsidian]

But already cleared tart and asphodel

[rain sedge]

....what's your pact?

[gaunt fiber]

It's 20 ish not 32, don't panic

[rain sedge]

Actually it doesn't matter since you're at Elysium already

Oh

I read 32 not 23

[agile obsidian]

Ive just kinda spread them out evenly

[gaunt fiber]

yeah 32 no EM3 would be a fun pact

[rain sedge]

I was gonna bet on RI or AP and it doesn't matter if you're at Elysium

[true fable]

you can make hard decisions at 23

like RI or AP

[rain sedge]

Or some CP

[daring hedge]

for heat around 23, you definitely don't need to spread the pact evenly

you want to leave RI alone

[agile obsidian]

I have CP2

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

[rain sedge]

There you go

[gaunt fiber]

Dad going to be a bit angrier than usual

[daring hedge]

CP2 is a bit strange for 23

what's your TD at

[agile obsidian]

No I dont have R1 on

[agile obsidian]

TD2

[daring hedge]

that's good

[tidal flame]

Yeah

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[agile obsidian]

I was scared I was going to go past it but i have like had like 2 minutes left leaving tartarus

[tidal flame]

I'd say just go

[agile obsidian]

The hand things were my main problem in tartarus

[tidal flame]

There isn't much that we can tell you except don't get hit

[agile obsidian]

Yeah I have acorn on

[daring hedge]

wringers you def want to bait out their grabs with rama or create distance first

[gaunt fiber]

Get hunter's mark

[rain sedge]

Real

[agile obsidian]

I have zeus on special and arty on attack

[daring hedge]

that's a solid setup

[rain sedge]

That's as good as it gets

[daring hedge]

do you have your second hammer yet?

if not, try for either point blank or perfect shot

[agile obsidian]

Not yet

Im feeling confident with rama bcs a before today I had done a no mirror run with rama and somehow got a perfect clear so I think Im just gonna use rama for high heat from now on

[daring hedge]

well if you ever need further high heat rama tips for when you climb

i am your premier dude

[agile obsidian]

cool

thx

[rain sedge]

👑

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah he's decent at Rama ngl

[daring hedge]

lol

[rain sedge]

in case you don't know, tail is the king, WR holder at a cute 60 heat

[agile obsidian]

decent haha

[rain sedge]

video is on spreadsheet attached

[true fable]

he's all right

doesnt run sea storm like the real rama players

[daring hedge]

cue the power shot of two damage

[rain sedge]

do not

[true fable]

but otherwise is pretty good at what he does

[rain sedge]

remind me of this abomination

you give me PTSD

[gaunt fiber]

Tailesque, are you into guides or not really?

[rain sedge]

that must be an intentional BM

[daring hedge]

how do you mean

[gaunt fiber]

Like

[rain sedge]

like I would feel so dissed if I'm on a race and the guy I'm racing runs sea storm

[gaunt fiber]

Writing them

[plush scaffold]

sharing the knowledge

[daring hedge]

i would be down if there was enough demand for that

[true fable]

museus is the biggest flex lord in existence

[bronze viper]

It's pretty hard to write guides for Hades. It's very dynamic

[true fable]

there is demand for that

:^)

[gaunt fiber]

yeah I get that. It's a lot of work

[true fable]

yeah it is tough, but i think general principles hold true

[rain sedge]

I think a rama guide won't have enough demand

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I realized that while trying to gather knowledge of GY

[bronze viper]

No, it's not just the amount of work. It's just that a lot of times, information will just be wrong because everything is so context based

[rain sedge]

I think an overall high heat guide will have a lot of demand

[true fable]

lili's eris guide has done pretty well

[plush scaffold]

the game is not evolving so much these days, I hope any guide can stay relevant

[agile obsidian]

He has one?

[true fable]

a high heat or high heat rama guide would both be good

[agile obsidian]

I need to see it then

[rain sedge]

is this for any heat or high heat?

I could do with an eris guide

[true fable]

anyheat

[daring hedge]

i think it wouldn't be super hard to write up like, rama fundamentals for doing well at high heat

[gaunt fiber]

The guide won't be like a build one, there's a lot of info that will always be true

[daring hedge]

for really broad context

[agile obsidian]

I think how to literally not die in high heat

[bronze viper]

Don't feel like waxing poetic on the benefits of Repulse Shot?

[true fable]

could include a disclaimer

about how its not really a catch all

what about the merits of triple explosive shot though

[plush scaffold]

it's mostly for speedrunning any%, but maybe it could be usefull for high heat too?

[rain sedge]

I'll check it out, thanks lili

[daring hedge]

honestly if i am forced to run explosive, triple makes it not terrible

[agile obsidian]

Yeah I need help eris speedrunning

[daring hedge]

you can spam totally uncharged dash-strikes for decent damage

[true fable]

hey look all im saying is that triple explosive shot tempest strike

may not be good

but it sends enemies

flying

[bronze viper]

Explosive is alright. Oddly gives you a lot of mobility, since you won't have any more incentive to charge

[gaunt fiber]

that looks super fun

[daring hedge]

also museus wants me to do sea storm rama 50 heat

and i must oblige

[true fable]

its so funny

please do it

[agile obsidian]

Explosive shot on rama sounds like a nightmare

[shy gulch]

tail that would be the funniest thing

strim it tbh

[gaunt fiber]

@true fable do the build and strim mr strimmer

[daring hedge]

i've been waiting so long to hear a sensible take like this

[bronze viper]

Only if you go for power shots lol.

[true fable]

i dont strim anymore

[daring hedge]

usually it's "take explosive because it's slow already lol"

[gaunt fiber]

what

[true fable]

i only ever started strimming for the filler arc between 1.0 release and tailesque streaming

[agile obsidian]

it would take like 2 hours to get a perfect shot lol

[true fable]

now that we're back on the main plotline i can stop

[daring hedge]

lmao

[shy gulch]

LOL

[gaunt fiber]

You traitor

[bronze viper]

The pre-1.0 strat

[true fable]

nah but im tryna take it easy the next couple days

[gaunt fiber]

"Don't powershot, it's too slow"

[daring hedge]

and some players in build and combat still preaching this post-1.0

[agile obsidian]

Im just gonna finish this run tommorow

Im tired

[true fable]

not trying to hate my hobby ykno

[bronze viper]

It's still mostly bad lmao. You just make do because of AP2

[true fable]

ledger ive tried to make explosive shot work when i get forced into it on 50

with AP2

its not fun

espec not first hammer

[agile obsidian]

rip

[rain sedge]

why do you even go there lol

[true fable]

✝️ someone must light the way

[daring hedge]

i'm glad my pre-run death in my 60 heat was with explosive and sniper shot

[true fable]

i thank u for ur service 😔

[daring hedge]

the actual worst hammer combo

[bronze viper]

@true fable It's alright. If you have Deadly Strike, if you have Triple Shot, it's "good"

[true fable]

also let's try not to bully builds and combat too much

"good"

i died at 50 with deadly strike triple shot point blank

[bronze viper]

"good" meaning that it's good, but not like great

[tidal flame]

omegalul

[true fable]

died to heroes

somehow

i have been too sad to try again

[agile obsidian]

How tf is someone supposed to do 50 heat

Like what

wahhahhahhat

[tidal flame]

practice and getting good

[true fable]

its mostly practice

i havent gotten good yet

[bronze viper]

Do we have 2 digits of 50+ yet? Pretty sure I saw at least 10 people on the list ❤️

[true fable]

[daring hedge]

i'll just coach you like with haelian except you won't try to make a curse of nausea special build happen

ez

[true fable]

me or pengy

[agile obsidian]

Ill hop on whenever I need help

[rain sedge]

oh yeah, didnt people want to pay you for hades coaching lol

could've had a nice SSD by now

[daring hedge]

oh i mean whoever but i meant you bright

[true fable]

people have offered to pay bablo i think

[daring hedge]

to unsad you

[true fable]

please

[daring hedge]

and have you do 50 heat rama

[true fable]

idk

i think i will still be sad

:^)

i might strim a bit this weekend too

maybe whenever you arent

[tidal flame]

do you think "maining" a weapon is good for like WR stuff?

[agile obsidian]

yes

[daring hedge]

oh yee i'll try to stop by when you do

[gaunt fiber]

Maining a weapon is cringe

[agile obsidian]

Like maining eris rail or something probably helps

[agile obsidian]

For speedrunning

[gaunt fiber]

even more cringe

[true fable]

i personally like multi weaps

[agile obsidian]

hmm

[true fable]

just because you need to know many things

[agile obsidian]

For speedrunnign I stick to eris

[shy gulch]

astaos is joking

because he mains GY

[tidal flame]

speedrunning is cringe confirmed

[shy gulch]

LUL

[true fable]

but eris is a good starting point

[shy gulch]

speedrunnings hella cringe

[tidal flame]

real men die in high heat

[true fable]

if you want to speedrun

[daring hedge]

i think it's fine to get really good at a particular weapon but would not recommend not playing others

[true fable]

as a speedrunner, speedrunning is super ultra omega cringe

[shy gulch]

im of the opinion that its mostly just up to you how you want to play the game

if you want to spend 1000 runs doing guan yu

go for it

[bronze viper]

Unless it's Stygius. Feel free to skip

[agile obsidian]

Yeah all my other weapons have equal clears its just that rail has way more bcs of how many times ive ran with it to try and get a new PB

[gaunt fiber]

The frog speaks the truth

[shy gulch]

yeah if you want to get a pb with eris, all the power to you

good luck

[tidal flame]

I swap between Zag and Rama and my timing is all over the place =.=

[true fable]

ledger to address the previous question about 50

[tidal flame]

I like both weps though

[agile obsidian]

Im trying to get a sub 10 with eris

[true fable]

im pretty sure >20 people have posted 50 heat runs

[shy gulch]

oh was there a q i missed

[rain sedge]

real

[shy gulch]

schad u cant say that

[true fable]

and at least 3 people have done close to all aspects on 50 heat

[shy gulch]

ur not a speedrunner

[true fable]

hadesprofessor, tail, and retrash

[shy gulch]

only speedrunners are allowed to say that

[rain sedge]

imagine maining eris tho

[gaunt fiber]

He's right tho

[daring hedge]

did you mean for that to be less than 20 because

[agile obsidian]

Im just trying to beat my old time

[true fable]

no

im pretty sure more than 20 people have done it

there's more than 4 people for beowulf alone

[agile obsidian]

Also getting sub 10 is nowhere close to wr

[daring hedge]

i had no idea then

[tidal flame]

it comes with more playtime really

[turbid perch]

just got past elysium with 32 heat for the first time

[gaunt fiber]

No but it's peepohappy tier

[true fable]

me pseudo retrash hadesprofessor and tyler have all done beo 50 and beo's one of the less popular weapons i would say

[agile obsidian]

peepohappy?

[gaunt fiber]

[tidal flame]

and consistency helps, too. I feel like I regress if I don't play for a while (who would have thunk)

[daring hedge]

astaos gibberish

please ignore

[true fable]

LOL

[gaunt fiber]

[true fable]

and ive seen random 50 heat hestia's posted here and there

in various discords

[agile obsidian]

My current pb is 10:40 so I think I just need to time save in tartarus

[rain sedge]

talking in meme is cringe

[tidal flame]

!reset

[plush scaffold]

[mossy zinc]

I would say Beowulf is one of the most popular aspects tbh lol.

[daring hedge]

yeah you're probably right actually

[bronze viper]

Ya'll gittin so gud. ❤️

[true fable]

really? even for 50 heat?

[daring hedge]

i guess i'm surprised so many more people have climbed that high

[true fable]

feels like fitting a square peg into a round hole

[daring hedge]

what

[true fable]

or however that saying goes

playing beo at 50

[tidal flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7haqnQvrYfI

[true fable]

but yeh hestia good

[rain sedge]

I think hestia is more like it

[daring hedge]

oh did you mean to reply to nyaa bright

[rain sedge]

beo is hard at 50

[daring hedge]

i was agreeing that there are more ppl doing 50 overall

[true fable]

hestia exists for the democratization of 50 heat

[daring hedge]

like random hestias

[true fable]

yeah i meant to reply to nyaanyaa lol

[agile obsidian]

Im going to stand with my claim that hestia is bad(Its probably not and Im probably just trash at it)

[rain sedge]

D E M O C R A T I Z A T I O N

sir please

[true fable]

wym

[rain sedge]

my smooth brain hurts trying to google these big words

[gaunt fiber]

50 heat for everyone

[true fable]

just

buy more wrinkles

[tidal flame]

we don't do communism here

[daring hedge]

50 heat for the proletariat

[true fable]

pick them up at your local dollar store

[tidal flame]

if you want 50 heat you need to pay in blood and sweat

[shy gulch]

seize the means of 50 heat

[daring hedge]

hestia very good

[ripe crane]

Easiest 50 you can do imo

[daring hedge]

any crepes vid will convince you

[agile obsidian]

How?

[shy gulch]

hestia is the easiest 50 heat imo

[agile obsidian]

Like it literally feels soo slow for me

[shy gulch]

you jsut need to get used to quickly reloading after every shot

[bronze viper]

It's very safe and bosses are one of the bottlenecks at 50, nothing bosses better than Hestia

[gaunt fiber]

Hestia is only slow in my hands

[agile obsidian]

Thats my problem

[daring hedge]

it needs virtually no boons

[tidal flame]

Range, self-sufficient, easy build path, safe

[shy gulch]

watch any 50+ heat hestia clear and you'll see how it can work

[agile obsidian]

Ok

[rain sedge]

real

[shy gulch]

its range, power out the gate, and lack of need for any boons

its just incredibly useful at high heat

[agile obsidian]

I guess because it has great range damage

[shy gulch]

you can literally clear the entire 50+ run with just shackle

[daring hedge]

i still haven't done hestia 50 and i have just 8 aspects left lmao

[shy gulch]

i think crepes basically did that

at 56

or something

[daring hedge]

what if i did hestia last

[rain sedge]

the lack of reliance on boons means you can run RI2 AP2

basically

[shy gulch]

that'd be kind of a meme

[agile obsidian]

Whats the highest heat yet?

[bronze viper]

It gets pretty gnarly the higher you go though, it has some pretty awful pacts once you start having to take them.

[agile obsidian]

Done

[shy gulch]

yeah i did RI2 AP2 with hestia 50

rama

at 60 heat

[rain sedge]

60 by the king @daring hedge

[shy gulch]

our boy tail right here

[agile obsidian]

nice

[true fable]

which ones are left

[agile obsidian]

60 freaking heat tho

[true fable]

if you know them off the top of your head

[daring hedge]

poseidon, arthur, chaos, beo, zeus, eris, hestia, lucifer

[true fable]

oo luci

[agile obsidian]

ooh lucifer is gonna be kinda hard i think

[true fable]

can you do soaker

[daring hedge]

lmao

[gaunt fiber]

soaker at 50 ofc

[true fable]

or wine soaker

i will say

[daring hedge]

that would actually be really funny i might try

[true fable]

40 heat soaker was easier than i thought it would be

[mossy zinc]

@true fable the fact alone that you could name multiple people who did 50 Heat Beowulf is proof it's one of the most popular ones at 50.

[true fable]

but AP2 will probably hurt

[daring hedge]

yeah

[true fable]

what about rama and hestia though

[bronze viper]

That's not how... things work

[agile obsidian]

And zeus might be hard

[mossy zinc]

Those too.

[agile obsidian]

Zeus shield

[true fable]

zeus shield is incredibly good

pengy the zeus shield record is 57? heat

i believe

[shy gulch]

zeus shield is amazing but

its difficult to use

once you get a hang of it, its incredibly powerful though

i think its 57 yeah

[rain sedge]

it's just a baj thing tho

[mossy zinc]

It is when it's not a lot of people who did 50+ in the first place lol.

[rain sedge]

I dont think anyone else have done more than 50 heat at zeus

[daring hedge]

the only rama other than me at 50+ in the sheet is hadesprof

also ledger

lmao

[shy gulch]

dang

bright we need to get on it

we both planned to do 50 heat rama like

3 months ago

LOL

[true fable]

i just dont think people have submitted their 50 ramas

haelian sure as hell hasnt

[bronze viper]

Lol, especially when there aren't that many people in a category it's hard to say something is "popular", it just means that the small subset of people have a similar preference.

[shy gulch]

haelian moment

[daring hedge]

that's true yeah

[bronze viper]

You could say it's popular for people above 50, but not for high heat in general. Not sure if we have the data to make statements like that.

[daring hedge]

ledger and i didn't even start doing rama high heat because we thought it was the optimal aspect really

we just like rama