h1-high-heat-strategies

[edgy arrow]

i can’t even do mirrorless GY at 8 heat lol

25 starting hp is absolutely terrifying

[gaunt fiber]

With one dash yeah

Especially with HL5, have to play safe

[edgy arrow]

get hit by one thug and it’s gg

[gaunt fiber]

iirc they leave you at 5 hp

[edgy arrow]

oh mb

almost gg tho

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah after that a numbskull sneeze kills you

[rain sedge]

@true fable

Retrash so relatable

[sly remnant]

Sorry retrash :(((((

[vital grove]

Time for a new streak. On 46 this time. You show this game who boss

[edgy arrow]

how long did the streak go?

[waxen relic]

20/24. you can check on his twitch

[rain sedge]

the man is so good at the game

such a heartbreaking loss too, at phase 3 EM4

the hades fight itself was cleaner than Ive ever played at any heat

[true fable]

D:

[waxen relic]

If i were to take Nourished Soul for a Boonless Run involving LC4 would it count?

[quartz mantle]

It counts in our hearts

[rain sedge]

definitely counts

[waxen relic]

The not use part is honestly far more of a challenge than the not have part

[rain sedge]

basically why I gave up on that run

it'll be more fun if there's a mod that lets you delete boons

[edgy arrow]

...oof, that’s close

mad respect for even 20 tho tbh

[rain sedge]

most people in this channel can spend their entire lives trying to get 20 aspects at 45 and still won't get it

example: me

[edgy arrow]

every time i wanna feel bad at the game i watch one of his EM4 fights

man is an artist

[vital grove]

Sunken Treasure may not count as a boon.

I did not have it show up on a victory screen or the report screen afterwards

[quartz mantle]

For a 32 heat run which cast would be better for Beo, Posideon or Dio?

Cause in my mind I see Posideon being really good cause it drops instantly but Dio could be good with Stygian Soul and Auto Reload

Dio cast seems more reliant on Duos while Poseidon cast seems more reliant on Poseidon support boons

[vital grove]

I like Dio a lot, especially with 3 casts

If you stagger your casts you can pick them up after the 3rd rush

And scint/wine are really good upgrades

[quartz mantle]

That makes sense

Dio cast also seems safer cause of the stun

I do need to upgrade his keepsake too lol

[vital grove]

I think Flood Flare has a lot of potential too, especially with wave Pounding, rupture, Mirage Shot with Artemis on attack

You could also meme it up with Frost Flare lol

[quartz mantle]

I never looked into that do you just get a beam?

[vital grove]

Nope, it's an explosion that applies Chill.

Can be memefully decent with Killing Freeze and the Legendary lol

[quartz mantle]

Oh so you just get Snow Burst

but again

[rain sedge]

flood flare is the more consistent and faster build. you get "easy" access to mirage shot, and have a lot of supporting boons.

dio cast is usually played with stygian soul, and relies on +1 cast chaos boon

[quartz mantle]

I thought you would play it with Stygian

[rain sedge]

the reason for that is that you have a 5s forced cooldown on each cast, which is too slow comparatively

stygian allows you to get that down to 3s cooldown. with +1 cast stone, it becomes a really powerful weapon. With hourglass and +1 cast from the charon well shop, it supplements the build even more

but you can see that it's inconsistent, and at 32 heat , it's much easier to just run flood flare and fish for mirage shot

@true fable can explain more, he also has a vod from yesterday when he explained dio beo vs flood flare beo

[true fable]

flood flare good

dio beo good

ty for coming to my ted talk

[quartz mantle]

Well I did a Dio start and got Demeter and Zeus as my next 2 gods through rng

so like

[true fable]

dem is not amazing

[quartz mantle]

Don't you want Ice Wine?

[true fable]

snow burst is fine, as is rav will

ice wine releases on a delay

its extremely aggravating

[quartz mantle]

Oh

Interesting

Well Cold Fusion isn't the worst thing to happen

so hopefully I can get Jolted stuff going

[rain sedge]

the "dio good" part is a bit of a stretch but cool

ty for your explanation successful dio strimer @true fable

[true fable]

dio is good

it just needs to happen

flood flare is just more consistent

by virtue of mirage shot being a broken ass boon

[rain sedge]

I realised beo is now my fourth most played weapon because of how much I died on that 40 run

yeah after getting mirage shot the run became ez

[sly remnant]

I will say dio beo is easier to play than flood flare beo just less consistent.

[mossy zinc]

I thought this channel was a safe space from casuals. What happened.

[quartz mantle]

Oh is that me

Sorry 😔

But also the game is being funny
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/410616262847365124/804413964661686302/unknown.png?width=838&height=473

[hybrid ginkgo]

Can u beat the game on the max 50 heat?

[true fable]

hmm

max is not 50

but you can beat it on 50 heat

[rain sedge]

nya please

@true fable we are not welcome here by nya 😦

[true fable]

gatekeeping as always 😦

[hybrid ginkgo]

Whats the max?

[true fable]

64 in a hell mode save

63 in a non-hell mode save

[hybrid ginkgo]

Is 63 heat possible?

I only see 32 around

[true fable]

60 is the highest that has been done

62 is likely possible

64, maybe

[hybrid ginkgo]

I see

Can u make a new save and beat the game first run?

Thatd be so funny

[quartz mantle]

Yea

[tidal flame]

People speedrun that stuff lol

[quartz mantle]

People do it it's called Fresh File speedruns

[hybrid ginkgo]

Thats funny

[true fable]

fresh file is a speedrun category as they have mentioned

used to be over multiple runs

then vorime made it first run

3rd run might be faster with optimal RNG

[quartz mantle]

It's basically fishing for Merciful End if I remember correctly

[true fable]

but that's hard

3rd or 4th run

i cant remember

whichever one gets hammers

[hybrid ginkgo]

Im gonna try and do it first run

[true fable]

sure

knock urself out

it's pretty fun

and yeah it is just fishing for ME

[hybrid ginkgo]

I hope its a cool dialogue at the end

[quartz mantle]

There is special dialogue if you get there on your first run

[hybrid ginkgo]

Say no more

[mossy zinc]

64 is most definitely possible, but it requires some very good luck on top of being extremely difficult.

[quartz mantle]

Yea with AP2 and limited rerolls it's gonna be hard to get any kind of build going

[mossy zinc]

The RNG is ultimately just a matter of running a lot of times once the skill is there.

[hybrid ginkgo]

Well just like my boy zag says

No love without pain

[waxen relic]

Got epic Crops in tunnel 2 or 3 and the game didn't want me to ignore it, therefore gave me a 5-sack. Time to let Beo gather Dust again. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/804442793938387044/20210128210648_1.jpg

But one Cast just works. Though i never properly tried having more.

[rain sedge]

Special beo 👀

I tried that before giving up

[waxen relic]

Didn't use Special much. Just AP2 stuff

Like it was pretty good against these awful Endtunnels. But against Hades you can just chain Rushes

[rain sedge]

Wait a sec

It's ri3 ap2

Oh wow that's disgusting

Is this a specific challenge or part of the 24x40?

[waxen relic]

Didn't wanna leave Beo without clearing 40.

Wanted to continue the one-cast-stuff from mirrorless and see how it goes

[edgy arrow]

wtf is that pact lmao

this is the kind of beo content i am here for

well done

[waxen relic]

i did die at End of Phase 2 Hades with a 40 Pact involving no HL and no FO

It has the ultra-high-heat-feeling

[edgy arrow]

oof

yeah it’s interesting that Retrash’s wr uses a special build as well

so obviously still practical even post charged flight nerf

kinda requires the hammers tho ig

[sly remnant]

Yea just get charged dread flight on ap2

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/ICSa7g2

this not high heat

but since it's the current GY any heat WR

[sly remnant]

Aint that the record?

CONGRATS DUDE

Do you feel like it was helpful for you to get the record?

[gaunt fiber]

What do you mean?

[sly remnant]

Like do you think the any heat grind helped you as a player

[gaunt fiber]

I would rather say that the heat grind made me decent enough to speedrun

Although there's the meg practice and a bit of spawn manipulation I did not know before

So actually it helped a bit

[sly remnant]

Good to know! Thanks for the perspective. Enjoy your victory

[rain sedge]

POG ASTAOS

very nice very nice

50 GY now?

[gaunt fiber]

I must take a break

[mossy zinc]

Why are there no Lady Aphrodite boons? Go and do it over.

[gaunt fiber]

Hm

I must admit that I sold different league

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bubbles-bubbles-fire-furious-mad-gif-12674420

[rain sedge]

talking about aphrodite

[gaunt fiber]

I'm sorry Nyaanyaa

[rain sedge]

thanks to nya I now follow courtney on twitch

her streams are good

not to mention the cute small fact that she one shots 32

lord almighty that was unbelievable

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite does all the best streams.

[rain sedge]

I wonder if it's a bit weird hearing your own voice on a game tho

like... you know

[spring kettle]

I saw her playing a bit of slay the spire

It’s probably better for her since she isn’t a major character like zag but still

[mossy zinc]

Being Lady Aphrodite and hearing Lady Aphrodite speak to you must be the best thing in the world.

[mossy zinc]

Apologize to her, not to me.

[gaunt fiber]

I will

Since she always shows up in my runs

[mossy zinc]

Do it now in her Discord or on her next stream.

[gaunt fiber]

But the gold I got from that carried the run

So

[mossy zinc]

[spring kettle]

Don’t tell me you got hoarding slash

Too bad there isn’t a hoarding equivalent for the other weapons

[mossy zinc]

Hoarding Slash Guan Yu, huh.

That's new.

Don't give Amir any ideas like that.

[spring kettle]

Why are the sword hammers so weird

[mossy zinc]

You misspelled bad.

[gaunt fiber]

well

Arthur can use most of them

Just play Arthur

[mossy zinc]

They're fun at a casual level.

[spring kettle]

Cursed slash Arthur no

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[spring kettle]

Arthur can’t even get flurry I think

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[silk blaze]

Cursed slash flurry Arthur

[mossy zinc]

Cursed Slash is pretty good.

[gaunt fiber]

Can't find her discord?

[rain sedge]

you know

wouldn't it be interesting to do 50 heat all weapon as a project

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[rain sedge]

the baj shield is plausible

bow has been proven to be very viable

fist need some thinking but seems viable, especially with ME stuff

sword and spear, idk

[true fable]

ME stuff on 50 heat? pepelaff

brother you need like 4 different boons

where do you think youre getting ME

"oh i'll just pick up an ME at my local well of charon"

[fervent locust]

By all weapon you mean all weapons or all aspects

[rain sedge]

mr strimmer pls

a casual can dream

[silk blaze]

Divine strike feels like the most reasonable solo

[true fable]

owl pendant start worked pretty well for me on 45

[silk blaze]

Exposed lets it really start doing damage too if you net it

[rain sedge]

lemme try chiron AP2 real quick

[true fable]

weirdchamp

[rain sedge]

I mean

I'm not gonna play rama am I

[true fable]

why not

[rain sedge]

not a fox

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[rain sedge]

I dislike that weapon, and my skill level is far below the skill floor that rama necessitates to be effective

have we spoken about my powershot success rate

[true fable]

something being easy to use doesnt make it good

i dont trust chiron for 50

[rain sedge]

me neither but yknow

ooo dio special start with AP1 that's not bad

[true fable]

are you doing 50 rn?

[rain sedge]

yea

and I meant AP2

[true fable]

GLGL

[rain sedge]

hmmmm

a cloner speeder numbskull got me

bad luck for chiron

[dire steppe]

ap3. if you take a boom hammer pom, you will suffer.

[rain sedge]

arty special with concentrated volley on AP2

I told y'all it's not that bad

[true fable]

[silk blaze]

May you always highroll!

[rain sedge]

I actually qualify for heart rend now

crazily

AKLMDGHASKJGHKJS

https://imgur.com/a/35EpGcf

SIR

I have never been this lucky in a game

oh my god

chamber 10 heart rend with ap2

what in the world

[silk blaze]

That’s incredible

[true fable]

dont choke

[gaunt fiber]

gz for the curse

[true fable]

posting here is a curse

you know that

[rain sedge]

yeah dead in first room of ashpodel

but it's ok, I've peaked in this game

but at least I know that even with chamber 10 heart rend rama is just still better

even for me

it was very hard to manage for a lot of types of enemies

[gaunt fiber]

[opal token]

Kinetic launcher with Demeter fist...is that like an S tier hammer here?

[daring hedge]

nah, s-tier for dem fists is still explosive upper and breaching cross

[true fable]

kinetic is the second best special hammer

the problem being

it locks you out of the best special hammer

[opal token]

Best special hammer is explosive upper as mentioned above?

And thank you

[tidal flame]

it's a toss up between breaching cross and explosive upper for me

[vital grove]

Room 10 heart rend with AP 2 o.O

[edgy arrow]

wow Schad is the AP2 whisperer

i honestly don't even care that he lost the run, the real victory is getting that duo

[halcyon flame]

heart rend on ap2

[halcyon flame]

damn ok

[edgy arrow]

do ya'll use DC for hades spear or no?

on the one hand it seems relatively manageable, but on the other hand its real nice for the big spins i'm always doing between waves to actually deal damage

not sure how big a deal that is in practice, but it feels annoying to just chip a heart away

[daring hedge]

i wouldn't recommend it if you can help it, but for 50+ heat with it yeah i just have to deal

opening with a spin on waves is just really nice

[edgy arrow]

i'm only doing 40 so it should be easy enough to avoid

[daring hedge]

yeah, for 40 you can def do DC0

[edgy arrow]

lol i turned off DC2 and got the clear immediately

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/804649560664178708/Hades_40.png

thanks for the advice Tail!

might have had something to do with the hyper delivery as well ofc...

[rain sedge]

with those boons you can do DC5 and it'll be fine

is that serrated point

[gaunt fiber]

It's extending jab and chain skewer

I guess extending is a bit less trash on Hades than GY but still you don't want to see that

[edgy arrow]

yeah hammers weren't the best but it didn't hugely matter

[thick tendon]

So, I just finished out my first 16 heat run and am getting ready to do some higher heat runs to try and get the final statue. I've noticed a lot of the high(er) heat runs I've seen posted seem to have a small amount of boons compared to what I usually get. What is the logic behind that? Are there specific weapons/aspects generally seen as nonviable? I've looked at the pinned messages and the weapons suggested in the big post there are the ones that I feel the clunkiest with and tend not to use. :/

[gaunt fiber]

Anything is viable up to extreme heats that involve TD3 EM4 and AP

32 and 40 are fine with any aspect

You'll get less boons because of UC basically

and CF of course

[edgy arrow]

if stuff like eris and chiron feel clunky for you you're best bet is to go for 32 using the weapon that you're most comfortable with

as Astaos said; anything can do 32, so using the aspect(s) that you're familiar with and like playing isn't a bad idea

[mossy zinc]

UC, CF, RI, and TD all contribute to fewer boons.

Also AP2 can make you want to avoid boons because of the risk of bad exchanges.

Or getting boons that do nothing at all and that you can't sell, either.

Anything that increases Elite difficulty will make you think twice about trials, too.

[edgy arrow]

imagine thinking twice about trails

lol i think taking trials that i could absolutely avoid and have no reason to take is responsible for like, 50% of my losses

[gaunt fiber]

I just pretend that I don't see any trial

[mossy zinc]

I don't really think. I just go wherever Lady Aphrodite leads me.

[edgy arrow]

that's fair

its just like, i don't want those gods to think i'm scared of them

although i am lowkey scared of Lady Aphrodite in trials

that teleporting heart thing is the scariest thing i've ever seen

[gaunt fiber]

why?

Well

just pick her boon

[edgy arrow]

yup that's what i do lol

[mossy zinc]

m never scared of her in trials. Lady Aphrodite is always on my side. 💗

[edgy arrow]

tbh i would not be surprised if you told me you'd literally never picked her second

[mossy zinc]

I literally never did.

[edgy arrow]

checks out

[thick tendon]

If I'm not taking a trial, I'm admitting that I'm scared of an Olympian. And that's just not okay.

[edgy arrow]

exactly

[thick tendon]

And if I'm not antagonizing Aphrodite at every chance, I'm not living the proper Zagreus tsundere life

[gaunt fiber]

Poor Athena tho

I bet no one picks her first

[edgy arrow]

its her fault for being so chill about it

like "i have to take revenge now, but its nothing personal"

"don't worry we're still friends"

[gaunt fiber]

She should just cripple us with her spear as she does while on Theseus' side tbh

[edgy arrow]

if she really wanted to mess with us, she could just turn off divine dash in her trials

[gaunt fiber]

You know what

I did a few resets for speedruns

She never gives her core boons

it's just amazing how divine flourish and dash is hard to get

[edgy arrow]

yeah i swear i need to reroll once every time lol

[gaunt fiber]

Like I remember 6 times in a row without getting special or dash

[edgy arrow]

would you like... bronze skin?

no athena i would not like bronze skin

[gaunt fiber]

rolls

"Ok so now my skin is epic, wadya think?"

[edgy arrow]

i got a 5% dr bouldy boon today

bronze skin so bad even bouldy can match it

[gaunt fiber]

oof

[mossy zinc]

She'll always offer at least one priority boon, though.

[edgy arrow]

not on AP1

[mossy zinc]

He said speedruns.

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah

might not be dash/special tho

[mossy zinc]

If you have any Attack and Cast, your odds for seeing Flourish or Dash are somewhere above 90%. 10% chance the guaranteed priority boon is an exchange instead, but there are two other slots that can be Flourish or Dash in that case.

If you start with the Owl Pendant and get a boon in chamber 1, you'll always see any 3 of her 4 priority boons, so you're guaranteed either Flourish or Dash.

[edgy arrow]

ye but my confirmation bias says no dash ever

[true fable]

TD? because of taking midshop over something else?

[edgy arrow]

and missing trials ig

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, things like that.

[edgy arrow]

also you can't do all the styx tunnels, which i used to do before running TD

[mossy zinc]

I've been skipping shops more often lately, though, with CF2.

Not in Elysium.

[edgy arrow]

sometimes i hit tartarus/asphodel shops when i'm broke even if i'm making really good time

just to buy more seconds for elysium

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but I don't care about phalanx shot and divine strike, this is what I meant

And taking phalanx is dangerous because you like Zeus too and opening more duos is bad

[mossy zinc]

Like, the odds are so much in your favor to get Special and Dash, though.

[gaunt fiber]

You're absolutely right Nyaanyaa

I'm just complaining about the rng I'm getting sometimes

[mossy zinc]

That's because you sometimes don't start with the Eternal Rose.

That's your own fault.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I know that

Aphrodite is really good to get too

[mossy zinc]

"too"?

[gaunt fiber]

This emote is so cute

[gaunt fiber]

As much as I like Aphrodite, I don't think the Eternal Rose is faster unfortunately.

[mossy zinc]

That's your fault, not Lady Aphrodite's.

[gaunt fiber]

Prove me wrong then.

[mossy zinc]

[wanton plover]

:zfiestAngry:

i love that emote

[mossy zinc]

You'll need to subscribe to zFiesty on Twitch then.

[trim sigil]

or just

(yoink)

[dire steppe]

good evening nya

[quartz mantle]

pirating artwork is cool

[trim sigil]

indeed
Not sure why discord added functionality for that

[round pilot]

Does EM4 modify the tiny vermin?

[shy gulch]

no

[spring kettle]

So middle management then? How does that affect vermin?

[green citrus]

We had this convo before I think we settled on the fact that tiny vermin is considered an actual boss

Not a mini-boss so he isn't changed

But could be wrong

[round star]

His intro is more like an actual boss so I think that adds up

[green citrus]

Yeah he has a boss health bar also

Asterius isn't changed by MM either

[spring kettle]

So I guess tiny vermin alone is unaffected by the boss/miniboss modifiers

[shy gulch]

i suppose so yeah

[sly remnant]

correct

think about it

MM doesn't affect charon does it

[quartz mantle]

He's in the same boat 🥁 as the Tiny Vermin where he has the boss health bar but isn't the main boss of a region so he's neither a miniboss nor a boss

[high jewel]

God a souped up Tiny Vermin would be terrifying

[edgy arrow]

might be nice actually

excluding EM3/4, a lot of the MM/EM upgrades are faster than their regular variants

i wouldn’t mind a souped up Tiny Vermin if it was faster

[quartz mantle]

Splits him up into two tiny vermin

With maybe something like 2/3 of the original max health

[edgy arrow]

yeah that kind of thing

[quartz mantle]

So theoretically faster if you're good

group them together for summon etc.

[dire steppe]

you mean just em2 lol

you dont tak emm in speedruns

[quartz mantle]

MM makes Barge faster but styx minibosses are very much not faster

[edgy arrow]

MM isn’t worth it for speedruns overall, but barge is way faster and everything else is pretty similar if you play it well

styx minibosses are slower, but not by that much

yeah i guess it’s basically just EM2 and barge now you mention it tho

[dire steppe]

meg 4 bomber is hard

uh mm doomstone might be faster

[edgy arrow]

oh true

how is doomstone faster?

[dire steppe]

the arena is smaller or something like that

[edgy arrow]

i mean

the arena isn’t smaller tho

[dire steppe]

tail says MM just makes it so sometimes it takes big trap damage

[edgy arrow]

oh that’s true ig

fair enough

[night forge]

does lc affect guan yu's life steal

[static plover]

no

it's one of the few things LC doesn't affect

[night forge]

alright, thank you.

[next wyvern]

What kind of cast and build should i use for beowulf shield at high heat?

[shy gulch]

aphro and poseidon cast seem best

good damage and aoe, and fairly consistent

dio cast is a good option for beo in general, but not for high heat really since it requires too much to get going

[next wyvern]

I was thinking about Artemis but i'll try those 2 tks

[true fable]

artemis is good damage

but the aoe is very sad

poseidon aoe is MASSIVE

[next wyvern]

ah

So Poseidon with maybe zeus duo?

[edgy arrow]

you want to go for mirage shot

arty duo

[next wyvern]

Ah

Family favorite or Privilege for that?

[shy gulch]

FF

its just always more consistent

also the poseidon zeus duo, sea storm, doesnt actually activate on the cast for whatever reason

it activates on your attacks tho LUL

[wanton plover]

how do you guys deal with skulls/crystal swarm that have the savior perk from bp? as zag bow

[shy gulch]

cry

mostly just like attack really really quickly, no need for power shots

depending on spacing or whatever sometimes a quick special can strip some dc hearts

[halcyon flame]

spreader spam with cloner

🥲

[vital grove]

Fo2 seeker Cloner witches in trial room

👍

[wanton plover]

uh oh spaghetti os! and athena is mad!

[kindred sluice]

How do I manage with ||Lernie on 32 heat||? He somehow manages to mess up my run all the time.

[gaunt fiber]

this is gonna seem obvious

but don't step in the lava

I think it's the most dangerous thing besides head RNG (blue one scary)

so be careful with your dashes and try to dps multiple heads at the same time. The right side of the arena is nice for that

[chilly sun]

yeah! avoid heightened security if you can

it's really punishing

[shy gulch]

^for sure

[chilly sun]

It's definitely worth more heat IMO

[kindred sluice]

Alright, thank you. I’ll try what you all recommended:

[plain shuttle]

dont think I can handle 32 heat tbh

5 tries and havent got past asphodel

[sly remnant]

Thats one region farther than I normally make it

[edgy arrow]

welcome to high heat buddy

but honestly yeah imagine getting past tartarus

[plain shuttle]

I actually died to the furies 3 times lol

lost one to lernie and one to power couple

[edgy arrow]

there's honour in dying to furies repeatedly, don't worry

you're in good company there

[dire steppe]

died to furies 11 times in a row trying 40 heat

[edgy arrow]

power couple is less common, are you using a summon there?

its usually worth it even just for the time save

[dire steppe]

lol how could you die to the power couple

just dash through the shockwave

[edgy arrow]

i mean, i used to die/lose DDs to power couple semi regularly back in the day

it does take some practice to get used to the MM variant

toughest MM buff for sure

all the more reason to get meg to fight them for you

[dire steppe]

MM Asterius

[edgy arrow]

lol

[dire steppe]

it’s weird how that’s em3 tbh

[edgy arrow]

i mean, he's kinda technically half a real boss

has a health bar and everything

[dire steppe]

stupid 5k hp ball you can kill in 2 seconds vs. instant run ender

[edgy arrow]

sorta weird in between miniboss boss like tiny vermin

[dire steppe]

tiny vermin is basically butterfly ball 2

[edgy arrow]

wym

they're basically nothing alike

[dire steppe]

it just has a lot of hp but doesn’t actually do anything

[true fable]

i die to power couple a fair amount

[sly remnant]

I've always said the difference between minibosses in elysium is one of my least favorite parts of hades

[true fable]

it's a miniboss encounter where 2 mistakes usually means deaath

[sly remnant]

I die to power couple quite a bit too

Especially if I am feeling pressed for time

[edgy arrow]

hmm clearly i'm not playing on enough heat

[dire steppe]

^

[edgy arrow]

i haven't died to them in a while

[sly remnant]

I will say they are relatively free on shield

[edgy arrow]

ah

[sly remnant]

But sword

[edgy arrow]

that explains it

[daring hedge]

RI2 high heat especially makes early bosses and minibosses more dangerous

[sly remnant]

^yep

Bombers are terrifying on RI2

Legit run enders

[edgy arrow]

lmao sword

[dire steppe]

If you die to bombers it wasn’t a good run cause it means you didn’t get chamber 2 divine dash :thumbs up:

[sly remnant]

Divine dash stinky

[edgy arrow]

i think my 24x40 might be stuck on nem zag sword and arthur

just can't play those weapons at all

[dire steppe]

No one ever talks about 24➗40

[daring hedge]

nem you can play like the typical anyheat combo except not doing it quite as recklessly/constantly at 40

but the playstyle is the same

[sly remnant]

If you do divine dash on nem you'll get your clear

[edgy arrow]

been thinking i might switch from hunter dash to divine

yeah

idk my sword micro is just so sloppy

[true fable]

nem you play the same and then you just sort of

dont dash strike ALL the time

[sly remnant]

If you don't care about time or pushing really high heat divine dash is great

[true fable]

only like 70% of the time

[daring hedge]

gotta pick and choose your moments

especially during fights like hades

because you'll die extremely fast if you're greedy there with nem

[sly remnant]

Yea I died twice to hades with nem yesterday

[true fable]

ye

[dire steppe]

nem used to be good until the snap nova nerf

[edgy arrow]

yeah i'm being greedy with dash strikes for sure

[true fable]

hm

nem is still quite good

[sly remnant]

^

[dire steppe]

i hope no one took that seriously

[sly remnant]

Oh

[true fable]

its the only weapon where i'll routinely run JS3/CP2/TD3 and make it out with time to spare

[dire steppe]

snap nova lol

[true fable]

like

nem is very fast

[sly remnant]

Nemesis is legit hard to play

[edgy arrow]

i can't even comprehend this lmao

[true fable]

and has a super strong base kit

[edgy arrow]

speedrunners smh

[true fable]

crits are really good

[daring hedge]

nem has one of the absolute most powerful aspect gimmicks, the thing bringing it down to earth for high heat is the fact that it's sword

[true fable]

^

[sly remnant]

Its soooooo dangerous

[gaunt fiber]

wdym

special into chop

ez

[true fable]

lol

true

[edgy arrow]

just because it has double hp from your point of view

[gaunt fiber]

you're blinded because you only see dedge

[gaunt fiber]

ngl it made me better at the game

[edgy arrow]

oh i believe it

[dire steppe]

then you should play L1 gy for even more skillz

[edgy arrow]

pretty sure one GY run improves me more than a dozen beo runs do

[edgy arrow]

i've actually been thinking of not leveling GY on my hell mode save just for the lols

[gaunt fiber]

It would make sense on hell mode

but HC or mirrorless is enough to get killed

[sly remnant]

Beo has very different fundamentals than most weapons. It will not make you better in general. It will make you better at beo

[edgy arrow]

yeah that's prolly my problem

there are few skillsets less transferable than beowulf to nemesis

[sly remnant]

I am aware :)

There's a reason I think the best sword players in the world are some of the best hades players in the world

It was a weapon designed with only the fundamentals of the game in mind

[edgy arrow]

checks out

oh question for real beo players real quick

[true fable]

you can tell whether someone is good at nem or not by how often their special actually hits things

[edgy arrow]

is it still possible to do a mid rush cast load with charged shot?

if there's a window there i can't seem to find it

[true fable]

possible yeah

feasible not really

[edgy arrow]

ah

[true fable]

i just preload

[edgy arrow]

cool good to know

[true fable]

especially if you get sudden rush

[sly remnant]

Yep I recommend seeding some charged shot to practice

It kinda changes beo order of operations

[gaunt fiber]

just to be sure

with charged shot you sacrifice the bullrush invincibility right

[sly remnant]

Yes

Its more dangerous

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

I know it's strong tho

[sly remnant]

You only get block while you are charging

[edgy arrow]

took me a long time to come around on it honestly

invincible bull rushes are so nice

[dire steppe]

it’s not that hard to load 1 stone in a charged shot

so if you get it as first hammer it’s pretty good to do that in tart

[sly remnant]

Its hard to play but I'm certain its correct at all heat levels

Yea but you'll have to rewrite your muscle memory of playing without charged shot and loading during rush

[edgy arrow]

good idea about seeding the hammer; i'll prolly do some of that

[dire steppe]

honestly what if you take plume in asphodel if you get tart shot

get that greater recall and play bow

[sly remnant]

Its legit

[daring hedge]

charged shot and minotaur rush is budget rama

[edgy arrow]

that's the strat i used for my PB

[sly remnant]

You just have to already have mirage shot to take plume

[edgy arrow]

which admittedly isn't all that fast for anyone but me

^

[rain sedge]

these were among the 2 hardest ones for me

have you talked to peachhead00 for the arthur stuff?

[edgy arrow]

i haven't

[rain sedge]

his advice gave me significant improvement to the arthur gameplay

[edgy arrow]

just died to furies repeatedly so far lol

[rain sedge]

I also did RI2 AP1 and that made it quite a bit better for me

nemesis was really hard for me, even worse than zag sword

[sly remnant]

Nemesis is v hard to play

I severely underestimated how difficult it was

[edgy arrow]

did you go FO0 with RI2 AP1?

[rain sedge]

I tried a bunch of things I think. I got deged 2-3 times, but couldn't dash-strike consistently and safely. I got flurry slash, and tried to play it like a pseudo-fist, and that worked sometimes

I forgot what actually made it work for me

[daring hedge]

if you can't get divine dash on nem, passion is also very good

[rain sedge]

I think it was FO1

let me see if I even screenshotted the win

[edgy arrow]

yeah i've been wondering if there's a practical FO0 setup for arthur 40, but i probably just have to handle the FO1

[shy plinth]

Nemesis seems like it's really suffered with the patches after 1.0, I'm not sure what happened

[rain sedge]

here it goes, it's FO0

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/803340496142467102/unknown.png?width=1203&height=676

[shy plinth]

The speedrun guys were talking about it too

[daring hedge]

suffered how exactly

crit frames?

[edgy arrow]

interesting

i'll try that pact for sure

[rain sedge]

there wasnt anything special about the boons I don't think

[shy plinth]

They said it was a lot slower and not viable without particular luck

And tyler is right that it's super hard to play as well

[edgy arrow]

wait how tho

[rain sedge]

I did start eternal rose, but I dont think it what made the run

[shy plinth]

I'm not sure what changed myself but

[rain sedge]

seemed pretty consistent to me

[daring hedge]

not sure what would cause a change post-1.0 with it though

[edgy arrow]

what actually changed that directly affected it?

yeah

[daring hedge]

crit % has been the same for a long while now

[rain sedge]

but yeah, talk to peachhead00 for the gameplay. It was a decent difference maker

[shy plinth]

I am not sure, I heard about it on blood and talkness

[edgy arrow]

do you think aphro is better for attack that arty?

[rain sedge]

I'm not a good enough player to give a definitive answer for that

[edgy arrow]

fair

[rain sedge]

but my reasoning was that it's more "consistent" for my skill level

[edgy arrow]

its not like i couldn't use a bit of extra dr lol

[rain sedge]

it's the damage reduction that makes it good for me

I know peachhead uses arty, and with hunter's mark it's a lot of DPS

but my problem wasn't DPS, it was that I couldn't survive because the weapon plays so clunky

[shy plinth]

https://youtu.be/W4FLq13ctl4?t=3958 It was right around here for Nemesis from a speedrun context

[gaunt fiber]

I cleared Arthur 40 easily thanks to Peach

[sly remnant]

Nem has a problem in that it actually needs quite a bit to get going. Its not self sufficient and hammer dependent.

[rain sedge]

so I basically said aphro attack, and the dps is more consistent overall for tartarus, which was the biggest problem

[gaunt fiber]

watch a bit from his gameplay, copy it and gg

[sly remnant]

You really need 3 arti boons

[edgy arrow]

okay sounds like "advice from peach" is the secret to high heat arthur play

[true fable]

yah nem needs good chaos and good boons

[rain sedge]

just @ him

@green citrus another victim to the arthur 40 needs some carrying

nemesis was the only weapon that I ran out of TD3 time on the 40 heat

[sly remnant]

Fun fact

Peach and I went to college together

[rain sedge]

it was quite painful

[rain sedge]

wtf

like you two know each other IRL?

[sly remnant]

Yes

We used to fiend dota together

In college

[true fable]

oh

[gaunt fiber]

PagChomp

[true fable]

neato

[rain sedge]

wooooww

[shy plinth]

That's rad

[sly remnant]

And then we both got into hades

[rain sedge]

I too, used to sink a few thousand hours into dota

then I wised up and do drugs instead, it's less addictive and harmful

[sly remnant]

Thats too real

[rain sedge]

I mean for real tho dota was making such a negative impact in my life

[sly remnant]

Rubick is one of the most fun things in a video game ever tho

[rain sedge]

the day I actually quit felt so good in retrospect

[tidal flame]

No way that's awesome.

[sly remnant]

Yep

[rain sedge]

it's extra cute because tyler is the hidden shield aspect specialist and peach is the hidden sword aspect specialist

like

[sly remnant]

Thats why we are both mods in each other twitch channels

[rain sedge]

sword and shield

[sly remnant]

LMAO

I never thought about that

Altho bright is better than me

[rain sedge]

this is wholesome and it made my day

[tidal flame]

Pog

[shy plinth]

That's adorbs

[rain sedge]

bright is very good, watching him play 50 made me feel like a casual

[chilly sun]

thats so nice aaaa

[sly remnant]

Yea we actually met

First day of college

To watch the rangers play baseball

And then I sucked him into dota

[rain sedge]

the equivalent of hanging out with the drug crowd on first day of college

hang on tyler

[sly remnant]

LMAO

[rain sedge]

arent you like

already working for a number of years

[sly remnant]

Yes

[rain sedge]

so this must be... uhb

6-7 years ago given the US education system?

[sly remnant]

Yes

[rain sedge]

that is a long ass friendship

[gaunt fiber]

Age calculation

[rain sedge]

just when I thought this can't be cuter

[rain sedge]

also by my instict astaos, you're pretty old

am I right or nah

[sly remnant]

My twin brother was the officiant at peaches wedding

[gaunt fiber]

OOF

Why should I be old and what is old?

[rain sedge]

omg it keeps on giving

[shy plinth]

This story keeps getting better

Where's the netflix movie

[rain sedge]

just have that impression

at least I know you have a serious job

so something like

33+?

[gaunt fiber]

[tidal flame]

My guess is Astaos is in their 20s

[sly remnant]

^in with foxhope

[rain sedge]

I'd eat a hat if he's older than me

[sly remnant]

Like young 20s

[tidal flame]

Bot tech is new, they can't be that old

[rain sedge]

lmfao

[shy plinth]

D:

[gaunt fiber]

I'm a fun driven kiddo

[rain sedge]

which is what an old person will say

[gaunt fiber]

in my 20s yup

[rain sedge]

o h n o

[sly remnant]

Schad how old are you

[tidal flame]

Eat @shy plinth

[rain sedge]

I'm 27 since a few days ago

[shy plinth]

That has come up multiple times in this channel

But I'm actually old

Poor flavor

[gaunt fiber]

yeah but this is a part of me that saddens me

[tidal flame]

Funny how we define "old" on the Internet

[sly remnant]

Ok so a few months younger than me. Happy belated birthday btw!

[rain sedge]

thanks thanks

[gaunt fiber]

I wish lmao

[rain sedge]

astaos are you older or younger than me

[gaunt fiber]

younger

[rain sedge]

wtf

[gaunt fiber]

I'm 24

[sly remnant]

My guess is 23

Ah damn

1 year

[tidal flame]

Same bruh

[rain sedge]

alright get me some salt to go with @shy plinth

[gaunt fiber]

[dire steppe]

how old am i

[rain sedge]

🍽️ 🧂 🎩

[shy plinth]

[sly remnant]

Rigged is 28

[tidal flame]

Is this the thread we dox ourselves?

[sly remnant]

LMFAO

[rain sedge]

xD

I mean

[sly remnant]

P sure bright is baby

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[dire steppe]

facts

[rain sedge]

tyler and I know where each other work

[gaunt fiber]

nobody will read it

I hope

[dire steppe]

is bright young just because if his profile pircture

[rain sedge]

I have a feeling if we want we can find out each other's IRL identity

[dire steppe]

LOL

[tidal flame]

Bright is 22 or 23 I bet

[dire steppe]

“it’s from dragon quest or something”

[rain sedge]

bright is going to med school

[sly remnant]

I dont even know if bright can drink yet

[rain sedge]

obviously he's young

he also has the youthful optimism about going to the medical field

[dire steppe]

I’m a sophomore in undergrad btw

[sly remnant]

Oh I was wrong

[dire steppe]

W a t c h y o u r l a n g u a g e

[rain sedge]

I forgot drinking age is 21 over there

[sly remnant]

Rigged younger than I thought

[tidal flame]

What's your major mate

[sly remnant]

Bright is still in college I'm willing to bet it doesn't stop him if he wants to

[dire steppe]

My major mate is named Jake, he’s a pretty cool dude

[rain sedge]

I mean let's be real that drinking age is weird a f

[tidal flame]

How quaint

[rain sedge]

astaos agrees with me, he's in europe

[dire steppe]

nah i’m majoring in physics and cs

[sly remnant]

Rigged hates sleep confirmed

[dire steppe]

i sleep 8.5 hours every night

not a joke

[gaunt fiber]

but they can drive at 16

[tidal flame]

Freak

[gaunt fiber]

Like it's normal

[onyx venture]

Seems that the chat here has been far from the channel topic for quite a while now, if you want to carry on an off-topic conversation I suggest #off-topic-discussion or a private group discussion

[rain sedge]

monkaS

[gaunt fiber]

Sure thing

btw

[rain sedge]

well

[gaunt fiber]

Guan YU

[dire steppe]

so uh i hear you guys like this video game called hades

[gaunt fiber]

there we go

[rain sedge]

to bring it back to topic

[sly remnant]

Fair. My bad. It was my fault

[rain sedge]

I have a seed for eris 56

[gaunt fiber]

it's alright

[rain sedge]

that starts with epic lightning strike

[gaunt fiber]

it's the spirit of the channel don't forget

[dire steppe]

is that ap2 or what

[tidal flame]

I have a Hades fight for 50 heat

[rain sedge]

I might save that one since I got tired for resetting for lightning strike

it's AP2

[gaunt fiber]

is it 56 seeded then?

[tidal flame]

I bet none of you can win

[rain sedge]

I mean

as bright said on the voice yesterday

[sly remnant]

56 eris is no joke seeded or not

[gaunt fiber]

Send

[dire steppe]

The trick for unseeded is to do a seeded run but then win on the first try

[rain sedge]

I don't believe "resetting" is a skill we should necessarily test

[gaunt fiber]

true

[tidal flame]

Let me boot up my computer

[sly remnant]

ding ding ding

[gaunt fiber]

pog

[rain sedge]

like, the difference between seeding first room and not is simply how often do you want to reset

which translates to patience and time resource

which is not skill

for all intent and purposes I consider retrash's nem 57 unseeded for example

[sly remnant]

We vastly overhyped unseeded as a community

[dire steppe]

i guess the issue if you can’t prove something is routed

[tidal flame]

Crepes tried their hands also but gave up after 2 hours

Couldn't get past phase 1

[rain sedge]

like there's a difference between "routed" runs like the 4:28 nemesis on leaderboard

and getting one boon you want at the start, instead of seeding it

[gaunt fiber]

EM4?

[rain sedge]

the issue is that there's no way to prove anything in hades

because the game file is easily editable

[tidal flame]

I have been advocating for seed since 5ever

[gaunt fiber]

We trust each other

[tidal flame]

Yeah Astaos

[rain sedge]

for example, I can modify the legendary acquisition chance to like 50%

[gaunt fiber]

Then I'm out

what's the aspect tho?

[rain sedge]

and grind an eris sub 7 run that gets splitting bolt out of tartarus

[dire steppe]

my personal opinion is that the heat leaderboard (not speedrun necessarily) shouldn’t distinguish between seeded and unseeded

[rain sedge]

and there's no way you can prove that I mod it, if I just submit one video to the speedrun.com

[dire steppe]

dreamoment v2 LUL

[tidal flame]

Dem fist. Not a bad build either with Heroic level 4 lIghtning and heartbreak

Zeus call

[gaunt fiber]

oof

[rain sedge]

in fact there's no way to prove anything is not modded. like, even for hermes cup etc, there's no way to prove that the runners didn't modify their legendary chance, or than chance, or etc, to be 10% higher or so

[tidal flame]

Just that HP is limited and you have 3 mins

[dire steppe]

Trust

[rain sedge]

like remember that minecraft thingy?

[dire steppe]

Yeah that’s why i said “dreamoment” lol

[tidal flame]

my consolation is that we are not that big

[gaunt fiber]

3 minutes lmao

I'm not a good malphon player tho

[edgy arrow]

everyone kinda knows each other

[rain sedge]

https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/a-brief-summary-of-the-cheating-scandal-surrounding-youtubes-biggest-minecraft-speedrunner/

oh yeah he's called dream

[edgy arrow]

which reduces the chances of people cheating probably

[rain sedge]

anyway the mods needed an entire paper to statistically prove he modded the game file

trust means nothing

like

people will do anything for clout

anyway the TL;DR is

because we can't prove anything is unmodded

just let people seed first boon

simple

that being said, I'm out to grind more 56

baiii

[tidal flame]

👋

[dire steppe]

bye ❤️

[edgy arrow]

there are seeded categories for like, everything

[rain sedge]

this looks like something that nya can do easily btw

she's the self-proclaimed malphon queen after all

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah first seeded boon would not be bad

[dire steppe]

hades pvp when

would have to ramp up player hp to like 5000 tho

[gaunt fiber]

So you guys can one shot me nice

[rain sedge]

like why should retrash be forced to reset 20x for dedge if he wants to make his nem run "valid"

[dire steppe]

LUL

[rain sedge]

literally no skill whatsoever

[edgy arrow]

shotgun playing as hades

[tidal flame]

When the modders get to it. Honestly they made an online client for Isaac Racing+ mod, with synchronized timer and everything

[dire steppe]

ok but. race where instead of hades at the end it’s a PVP match, your remaining time is converted to HP

[tidal flame]

My hope is that Hades is big enough that we will get there.

[sly remnant]

If someone needs retrash to reset unseeded for dedge. Then that says way more about their skill at hades than retrashs

Wriste hasn't done beo at 50

He is still at top 2 beo player in the world

[dire steppe]

fun retrash fact he only recently learned that broken resolve is more dr than different leeg

[sly remnant]

And if someone can't see that then they are a bad beo player

[edgy arrow]

i am a bad beo player

[tidal flame]

I haven't watched Wriste in forever

[edgy arrow]

even i can see that tho

[sly remnant]

Wriste is incredible

[edgy arrow]

^^^

[sly remnant]

You are a good beo player ohokwhy

Just not wriste or bright

[edgy arrow]

hmm debatable

[sly remnant]

Which is fine

[gaunt fiber]

I did 40 heat first try with Beo

[edgy arrow]

okay maybe but i think that says more about how few beo mains there are than my skills

[gaunt fiber]

first use of the weapon too

Then

I'm a beo god deal with it

[edgy arrow]

see even Astaos is better at beo than me

[dire steppe]

Just get charged skewer on beo

[tidal flame]

[gaunt fiber]

No way, you good

[sly remnant]

Astros better at beo than me

Astaos

Sad

[gaunt fiber]

what

[tidal flame]

Astaos is batter at beo than me

better

[dire steppe]

Astaos is batter

[tidal flame]

Sad

[dire steppe]

Can we bake him

[gaunt fiber]

That's clever bullying

I like it

[rain sedge]

noooo delta chamber got crossed out

AP2 why do you do this to me

[edgy arrow]

bullying is allowed if its clever probably

[rain sedge]

also do you all take chaos gates with AP2

[daring hedge]

usually no

[dire steppe]

i take chaos gates with ap2 because i have a gambling addiction

[edgy arrow]

^ same

[gaunt fiber]

Don't

But I would because it's fun

[tidal flame]

Live life on the edge I see

[daring hedge]

+70% extra foes isn't fun astaos

[sly remnant]

I didnt beat beo first try at 40

[gaunt fiber]

lmao true

[sly remnant]

Astaos better than me at beo

[gaunt fiber]

Guess you go if you have one roll

[rain sedge]

yea I didn't take it

with eris there's too many bad things

ok so

that quick recovery thingy

[dire steppe]

Chaos trap damage is fun

[rain sedge]

is it even like, viable

what's the time window?

[edgy arrow]

wym damage on attack is fine right

[gaunt fiber]

The run was blessed tbh, it started special beo and I got like everything

[tidal flame]

+76% enemies, Gems and Darkness worth +60% more

[sly remnant]

Quick recovery is okay at high heat

[dire steppe]

someone doesn’t build blade dash as their only dps

[rain sedge]

how quick do I need to dash

[sly remnant]

Its p small

Just mash space bar like its a GME stock one week ago

[dire steppe]

does nourished soul boost quick recovery

can you get heroic nourished soul and heroic quick recovery and recover >100% hp

[edgy arrow]

don't think so

i'm 90% sure nourished soul only works on sammiches

[dire steppe]

the new wave of hades gameplay

[viscid kiln]

Yo, how do people do heat runs above 10? I've only done an 8 heat run and even that was pretty hard...Do i need to upgrade my weapons with titan blood to like tier 5 first?

[dire steppe]

not necessarily

[sly remnant]

Quick recovery isn't regen its coded more like.....weaver time lapse

[dire steppe]

some weapons are fine at level 1

[rain sedge]

ok meg ruined me

[gaunt fiber]

works with the chtonic vitality too

[rain sedge]

that's a good explanation thanks

[onyx venture]

Pact options make a huge difference. If you're struggling it might just be because you're using objectively harder pacts

[rain sedge]

and it doesnt work past your DD either apparently

[edgy arrow]

for real? there you go

LC4 life means i don't know these things

[gaunt fiber]

4hp per door boyo

[edgy arrow]

woah

op pls nerf

[shy plinth]

It's so nice to get 4 hp per door in styx lol

[rain sedge]

some pact related advice is pinned, but some weapons work better than others with 1 titan blood

[gaunt fiber]

5 doors is like a full heal on GY so

[dire steppe]

hi i’d like to report a bug, i keep taking Nourished Soul but I still feel Empty Inside :(

[gaunt fiber]

I liked it while speedrunning

[edgy arrow]

Yeah i just realized the pin recommends Chiron and Eris, both of which are much worse unmaxed

Eris is probs still fine tho

[rain sedge]

yeah bad weapons

what's good with 1 titan blood

[dire steppe]

best level 1 weapon is arthur tbh

[rain sedge]

beo

[shy plinth]

Hera

[sly remnant]

Most cast weapons

[dire steppe]

or dio hera

[onyx venture]

Hera, yeah

[rain sedge]

isnt hera like

10s cast drop time at lv 1

[dire steppe]

stygian

[onyx venture]

Just use Stygian

[shy plinth]

Talos isn't bad either

[gaunt fiber]

you don't care with non lodging/ styg