#h1-high-heat-strategies

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stiff aurora
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but you might have a point about the em4 fight

gaunt fiber
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ah

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you prolly had a decent rng at tartarus

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with a bad BP

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it's just over imo

daring hedge
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nah, chiron tart with DC isn't really that bad especially if JS isn't maxed

gaunt fiber
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yeah no JS I guess

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But my 40 had no DC and I was really about it

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SPEED

stiff aurora
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I would rather get bump down td to 2 for the last hades phase

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not sure if getting more stuff elsewhere is worth it though

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hl1 lc2 cf2 seems worse than never having to worry about timer

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but idk if I can do em4 hades in 5 minutes

gaunt fiber
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You can afford some HL, you're ranged

stiff aurora
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I'll prohably do that then, otherwise anything but a 2 sack would be an instant run ender

gaunt fiber
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I'm really bad at dad with sword

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I just lot to phase 2

storm lark
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Which sword do you use

gaunt fiber
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Only encountered Athena and Aphro once btw, me and my deadly strike

sly remnant
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Sword hard

gaunt fiber
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I almost got him

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If only I played with some brain

stiff aurora
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exclusive access as the third boon Pog

sly remnant
stiff aurora
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good thing I am using legacy then

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I prohably prefer using pride for the specific build I am suing though, low tolerance is not that hard to get

sullen minnow
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God’s pride doesn’t exist 😭

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On that note, is pride or legacy preferred up in this rare air?

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I would guess pride for raw power early on in the run as you can take it

gaunt fiber
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?

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You guys don't change the mirror setup during the run when god's pride has done its job?

mossy zinc
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I think more people use God's Pride at high heat, but God's Legacy is definitely pretty good.

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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That's pretty good plan too

stiff aurora
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works for me

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this run at least

sullen minnow
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Yeah it makes sense. More of a pepperoni/sausage choice it seems

stiff aurora
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does yarn of ariadne force heroic if you have exclusive access?

daring hedge
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no

stiff aurora
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lame

daring hedge
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heroic can only come from eurydice, trades, or rare crop

stiff aurora
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rip

gaunt fiber
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Got nem, 2nd try

sly remnant
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Grats!

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Victory screen pls

gaunt fiber
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lmao

sly remnant
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Nice build!

gaunt fiber
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I think Zagius helped a lot

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Nem was much easier

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Parting shot is a duo I sell and get again, everytime

stiff aurora
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only the hades fight left and I have 400+hp and 3 DD Pog

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I should prohably reroll though, only one of the two boons I got after selling exclusive access was epic

tidal flame
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dayum son

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so what's left?

gaunt fiber
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2 spears

stiff aurora
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OMFG HE HAD LIKE 2 SPECIALS WORTH OF HP LEFT

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I'm never going to get rng this unethical again

opal token
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32 Heat eris with Zeus Strike and Ares revenge boon (so set up for revenge duo potentially?) do you take Artemis boss or Zeus/Ares trial? This is like chamber 6 or 7

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I think it’s an easy double boon bc of Underworld customs but would be curious

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I don’t really want to put ares or Zeus special on cluster bomb lol

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and dead already. I really hate Rail lol

gaunt fiber
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Had full acorn on phase 2, I played it very poorly

sly remnant
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Flurry jab what a hammer

gaunt fiber
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I did not take a single hit in Aspho and Elysium because of that

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except acorn stripped from heroes

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The damage was insane, everything was stunlock or I could just iframe with the call

gaunt fiber
opal token
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Yeah I think I had the time. Thanks for answering

gaunt fiber
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Only Achilles left, prolly after some sleep

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My pleasure

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The thing is getting 2 boons is so huge

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especially with UC

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But keep in mind that you won't get duo boons

opal token
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Yep I knew that. And agree with UC the two boons too important

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Plus I’ll still get the miniboss encounter afterward

turbid bobcat
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Achilles is so weird to use - I usually always end up in lava or traps when launching with my spear

opal token
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I don’t know how ppl go so fast with Rail

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I am truly bad with this thing lol

shy plinth
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Have you watched eris vods

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There's a lot of footage of that weapon being played at a very high level

opal token
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Yeah probably worth it

shy plinth
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Eris is basically a melee weapon

opal token
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What could be worse than playing Rail? Watching someone else play Rail

shy plinth
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Like idk it has an enormous global damage boost and you can reload/special/dash all at the same time

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So you just get in there and kill things fast

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
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does explosive return shield scale with special boons?

gaunt fiber
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No

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But it's still very good

rain sedge
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pepehands

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uh astaos?

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looks like it does scale

gaunt fiber
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what

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@honest kernel

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Help pls

honest kernel
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Explosive Return does scale with % modifiers

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It's great with Fiery Presence

gaunt fiber
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damn

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Sorry Schad

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Thanks Baj

rain sedge
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thanks for nothing astaos

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thanks baj

gaunt fiber
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Oh

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I see

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I played chaos with explosive return but thunder flourish

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So I assumed it would not scale

rain sedge
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I can't remember other aspects that feel this hard to do 40 in

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imagine hardstuck at beowulf

gaunt fiber
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I think watching Bright helped me

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So I could do it "mindlessly"

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and be sure to block it's op

rain sedge
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maybe I should watch his stream

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this is miserable

gaunt fiber
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or stream and have him watchin

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or record

rain sedge
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I'll come back to it after other weapons I guess

gaunt fiber
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yeah

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take your time to practice

thorn jay
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Is there a reasonable way to reach 40 heat without FO2 or even FO1?

gaunt fiber
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nope

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Unless you think mirrorless is reasonable

north dove
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FO0 is doable if you take EM4

gaunt fiber
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Maybe EM4

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lol

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And then it's reasonable because FO0 I guess

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But it would be TD3 right

north dove
gaunt fiber
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oof

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I don't like that pact

rain sedge
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ah, the retrash

north dove
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I never said it was good, just reasonable

gaunt fiber
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sure

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will depend on the aspect for DC2 too

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btw Retrash I played Zag sword today, not even ME

north dove
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could take AP1 instead

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nice

gaunt fiber
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I had a hard time making it dealing damage tho

north dove
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I lost the streak on zag sword 🙃

gaunt fiber
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oh no

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Do you like drunken strike btw?

north dove
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Yeah, it's good on zag sword

gaunt fiber
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I got pretty far with it, nice

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otherwise I was trying call shenanigans

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But idk how do you do with AP2 / without good hammer

north dove
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AP2 is really rough with sword, very dependent on good hammer rng

gaunt fiber
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I see

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Btw you were right

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I like Zag sword much more than Nemesis

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it has more options

north dove
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welcome to the squad

rain sedge
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im watching the bright 40 run

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its so different than mine idk why

gaunt fiber
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decisions or gameplay?

rain sedge
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gameplay

gaunt fiber
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Maybe you bullrush too much

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like a lot of enemies just get bashed early on

rain sedge
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i t hink too little

gaunt fiber
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Maybe enemies kiting too, get them in one place and boom

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efficient clearing

tidal flame
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1/24

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Had to join in on the fun

gaunt fiber
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Nice!

tidal flame
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got splitting bolt just before hades

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can't complain

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actually i guess i can because it can show up earlier lol

gaunt fiber
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you had big damage with special anyway

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I love explosive upper

tidal flame
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yeah true, hammer luck is good

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best combo you can get probably, sans anvil gimmick

sly remnant
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first clear congrats envyKappa

tidal flame
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yeah ty squirtnya

rain sedge
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ok I got to elysium with beo

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all it took was charged shot and mirage shot and divine dash and perfect RNG

north dove
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I hate flurry slash so much... that hammer is officially going on my blacklist

next marsh
north dove
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died to a swipe from dad because apparently cancelling your attack with a dash doesn't give you any iframes

next marsh
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uh

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hm

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well thats good to know

north dove
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it just insta dash strikes even with only a single input

rain sedge
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okay asterius was waiting for me at a miniboss room and KILLED ME IN 3 HITS

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ughhhhh

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that was the perfect run

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this is so annoying

tidal flame
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I feel ya

thorn jay
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And DC2 as well

north dove
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It's only TD2, but realistically you'll probably want to put points into FO for 40 heat

thorn jay
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Yeah seems like FO really is the way to go

rain sedge
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@true fable @sly remnant can you explain why flood flare instead of passion flare?

true fable
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aoe big

rain sedge
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I'm having a really hard time clearing the beo 40

true fable
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ez mirage

rain sedge
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is it that much bigger?

true fable
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also slight body slamming

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the aoe is gigantic

sly remnant
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The aoe is huge

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How safe are you playing

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Beo is super safe

true fable
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you can hit 4 lernie heads at once

sly remnant
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Like what seems to be killing you

rain sedge
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I died to dad just now, it seems like

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the ramp up of dash-strike --> charging bull rish --> cast --> wait for cast stone to explode --> picking it up

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is too much time for me

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and I just got hit inbetween

sly remnant
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Passion flare has better pom scaling. However the problem is you have aphro in your pool and you kinda want nothing from her. She does nothing for beo

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At 40 you could play stygian trippy flare and not worry about picking up

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For the rhythm you want to think of enemies as something that connects you to your cast. So load -> charge -> put enemy in a straight line between you and your casts -> charge -> pick up casts at end of charge -> repeat

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The rhythm takes a bit of getting used to and changes with charged shot. However you want to force enemies to group together so they constantly represent this amorphous blob that gets blown up by your cast

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Just try to focus on putting the enemy between you and your casts so you can charge through them like a battering ram and pick up your casts again

rain sedge
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hmmm I see

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makes sense, thanks

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if I die on this try, I might stream it tomorrow and get advice

shy plinth
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@sly remnant how often do you find yourself loading casts during the rush

sly remnant
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Almost always. However you dont get the dragon rush on the initial charge when you do that

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It's kind of a feel thing.
"Do I need dragon rush to kill this?"
"How many casts do I need to kill this group?"
"Will I screw myself if I charge here with no dragon rush?"

Honestly I'm still working on perfecting it. @Bright01#0010 is better at it than me

shy plinth
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It's such a complex weapon

sly remnant
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Also I'm simplifying a lot down for the sake of a discord message. Beo takes some time to understand

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A lot of these things are automatic for me and even more so for someone like wriste or bright.

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But in general: make a guess how many casts you need to kill an enemy and the evaluate what your plan is when the rush finishes

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If you are wrong....try to think about what went wrong. Did I overkill the enemy? Did I not use enough casts? Did I put myself in a situation with no escape opportunities?

rain sedge
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that's a lot of thinking

sly remnant
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However beo isn't the most complicated weapon. You can make mistakes. But don't slam 3 casts in your shield every time and dragon rush like leeroy Jenkins

rain sedge
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but it makes sense, thanks

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I can't get a single mirage shot in 5 rolls damn

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I might passion flare it if I die

sly remnant
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That happens

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F

shy plinth
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What is the most complicated weapon

sly remnant
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Talos and zues shield are pretty big brain

shy plinth
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Zeus shield makes sense

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Talos was not what I expected

sly remnant
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Blizzard shot talos is legit challenging to play

gusty kite
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zeus shield is easy... at least my basic way of playing it KEKW

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throw shield, go to town on enemies, put enemy between yourself and shield, press Q again

edgy arrow
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if you think it’s easy, have a look at what Baj does with it lol

shy plinth
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Oh blizzard shot talos

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That's sick

sly remnant
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Its v hard to play

gusty kite
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baj Hmm

sly remnant
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But so much fun

shy plinth
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Yeah I bet the movement is super precise

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And yeah baj's vods with Zeus shield are awesome

edgy arrow
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talos used to be my main weapon until i started pushing heat

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i’m too bad to get results with it

sly remnant
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Same

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I want to learn it more

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But I'm too smooth brain

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Put cast in shield

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Shield go boom

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I want to be clead

edgy arrow
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yus

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beo gud

sly remnant
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Beo isn't that hard to play. But its not pick up and play

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And it has a relatively high skill ceiling.

edgy arrow
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yeah the first time i used it i was like “ehhhhh”

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which i think is pretty common

thorn jay
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Is there like a tier list of ease of use?

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Not necessarily how strong the weapons are

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But ease of use in high heat

edgy arrow
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pretty hard to measure that honestly

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given how there are relatively few high heat players

sly remnant
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Yea. Also the difference between 40 and 50 is huge. They are almost different games

edgy arrow
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like, is rama an amazing weapon for high heat or is Tail just a wizard?

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idk prolly both

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but we can’t do analysis on it unless we get more data points

thorn jay
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Lmao thats so true i cant get over how Tail uses rama

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I cant wrap my head because thats the bow aspect im weakest at and bow is my main

turbid bobcat
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I can't even do 32 heat - tried it 5 times in a row just now and can't even get to asphodel most of the time

sly remnant
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32 takes time

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You'll get there

rain sedge
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dad killed me, phase 2

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I lack a lot of damage tbh

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every chunk only deals 800 damage

sly remnant
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Damage is....an odd problem to have on beo

honest kernel
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^

next marsh
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I was gone for a while, any records broken anything cool happen in the last 2 weeks?

honest kernel
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Heat wise ? Tailesque still got that 60 heat clear record

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I've been doing speedrunning stuff

next marsh
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zeus speedrunning?

honest kernel
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ye

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Managed a 7:28 IGT

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on Heart Rend

next marsh
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thats pretty impressive

sly remnant
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Is that record?

honest kernel
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It's Zeus shield WR

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Even accounting for 1.0

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... for the like 3 runners that bothered with it LOL

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The others doing Merciful End lmao

next marsh
honest kernel
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It's unverified

next marsh
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still have the 7:49 up

honest kernel
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But I have the recording up

next marsh
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oh i see

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cool

honest kernel
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Of the 7:28

next marsh
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please do, i would love to see it

honest kernel
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Aight, just did

sly remnant
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Ye I would too

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Grats baj

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Knew you could get it

next marsh
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as a shield main, i am currently in awe

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it looks like FO applies to you too

honest kernel
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If an enemy can jump away with FO2, they will

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Those are the rules

sly remnant
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Ye I'm gonna watch it

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Did you not post it in PBS baj?

honest kernel
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PBS ?

shy gulch
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personal-bests i assume

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in speedrunning discord

sly remnant
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Ye

honest kernel
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I did

sly remnant
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Am I blinf

honest kernel
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That was like a week ago or something

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That I did the run

sly remnant
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Ohhhhh

honest kernel
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4 days ago according to Youtube

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Nice

next marsh
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@honest kernel why do you always attack at the end of your second dash?

honest kernel
next marsh
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huh, interesting

honest kernel
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Somehow doesn't work with Hyper Sprint, but every other boost applies

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Hyper Sprint makes you stop instantly when you dash-strike for some reason

spring kettle
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What makes merciful end so fast?

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I saw speedrunners trying for merciful end in the hermes cup

shy plinth
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Have you run it before?

spring kettle
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I have

shy plinth
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Full doom popping every dash strike is so much damage

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Just hard to get

worthy radish
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uh hey so can I ask about heat level 4 here?

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is that high enough?

shy plinth
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You're welcome to ask about anything though most of the people in this channel focus on 32+

worthy radish
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oh ok

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is there a guide that I can go to if it's not ok to discuss here?

shy plinth
worthy radish
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great thanks!

sleek juniper
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Good gods that shield run was wild. I'm still working on getting sub 12 minutes consistently (I think my best was like 11:30), but finally reading guides I shaved off almost 2 minutes from my Eris run the first time trying to apply it.

thorn jay
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Got my 2nd 32 heat run just now, with Chiron Bow. A weapon aspect that doesn't mind DC2 really eases up the pact. I can take TD2 JS1 DC2 instead of TD3

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Also, it could've gone a lot faster if I remembered to unequip skelly companion and use meg or achilles companion instead. I keep on forgetting. Both my 32 heat runs have been with not fully upgraded skelly companion lmao

rain sedge
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something interesting just happened

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I lost tooth at the same time lernie died

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and I get HP during the boss death cutscene

opal token
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On Eris 32 Heat, should I take Rare Hermes dodge or epic move speed? I feel like this is dodge...

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But rushed delivery is really sweet

shy plinth
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I'd take move speed

shy plinth
rain sedge
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yeah I popped the tooth too

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might cost me the run who knows

shy plinth
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Interesting

rain sedge
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and I would take the dodge, move speed is useless on eris

opal token
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Yeah I was thinking move speed is a little blah. But rushed delivery is a thing. And I guess it could help me with the timer

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Dodge seems safer hah

rain sedge
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yep did cost me the run

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or maybe it was the fact that it must be the 10th time I rolled mirage shot in a row and still didnt get it

rain sedge
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seems like I literally just can't get it

opal token
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For unshakeable mettle: does anyone stun besides Hades Pots?

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Like cannot be stunned...do I care?

onyx venture
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There are some other stuns, yes

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Wringers, Aphrodite wrath in trial... maybe that's it?

opal token
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And wringers are only Tartarus or hades adds

onyx venture
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Unshakeable Mettle is underwhelming though, yes

opal token
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Yeah :/

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Rupture dash it is

shy plinth
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Unshakeable mettle is 420g

opal token
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Yeah I have enough boons now tho it’s not guaranteed sell?

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So yes debateable

rain sedge
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so I took curse of drowning with beowulf because it's offered

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I can see that's a mistake now

opal token
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How about Eris hammer choices: Targeting system, explosive fire, ricochet. Zeus strike no other boon

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Targeting right?

rain sedge
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targetting

opal token
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Thanks

rain sedge
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yea curse of drowning just totally killed that run

prime lintel
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How exactly does it work with beowulf

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it just loads it into yourself and pops immediately?

prime lintel
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Started my first 32 heat run and realizing that LC4 may have been a mistake

onyx venture
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SD or DD?

prime lintel
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ooops

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all of the fudge

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DD

onyx venture
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Oh, yeah, you want SD if you're doing LC4

prime lintel
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i knew i was forgetting something

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ah well

onyx venture
prime lintel
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lets see how far i go

onyx venture
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Good luck!

prime lintel
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died in the first room of Asphodel haha

true fable
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curse of drowning beo is very bad lol

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curse of drowning in general is quite bad

mossy zinc
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But not if you have Unshakeable Mettle.

vital grove
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Mettle is pretty decent

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But it should be more DR or 10 for everything not just bosses

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Or make you sturdy for 3 seconds and knock enemies away when you're hit, that would be cool.

gaunt fiber
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It should have a bonk sound when you're hit

dire steppe
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what if repulse shot was a duo boon instead of a hammer

mossy zinc
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Unshakable Mettle is one of the best boons in the game. The fact that you can't get stunned makes any mistakes you make so much more forgiving.

next marsh
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idk about "best boons" but not having my attack animation interrupted on something like rama bow when i make a mistake is really nice

dire steppe
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doesn’t hyper sprint also do that lol

vital grove
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Sturdy, yeah, for the duration

next marsh
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idk probably

dire steppe
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so 30% damage reduction instead of 10% and you move fast and enables blush deliveray

next marsh
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yeah hyper sprint defenitly falls under "best boons"

edgy arrow
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idk what blush delivery is but i’m guessing it involves aphrodite

next marsh
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lmao

edgy arrow
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hyper sprint can be kinda annoying sometimes tho

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like, difficult to control

dire steppe
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so this isn’t the type of high heat strategy traditionally seen in this channel

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but it’s -2° tonight and I don’t want to turn on the heater so I’m in bed with a mason jar full of previously-boiling water

halcyon flame
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i haven't actually watched haelian's video on it but what would you guys suggest for 20 heat?

dire steppe
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i assure you it is quite hot

waxen relic
gaunt fiber
dire steppe
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honestly common hyper sprint is hard to use

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but rare and epic are OP

gaunt fiber
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Common hyper is my jam

vital grove
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FO2, TD3, CF, UC, EM2, MM should be reasonably close to 20 and pretty easy

dire steppe
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EM4 RI4 AP1

vital grove
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Even better if you can skip the CF and take some BP

halcyon flame
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i'll just do em3 instead of fo2

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because surprisingly i find myself struggling with fo1, even with fists

edgy arrow
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yeah i’m getting used to it as well

halcyon flame
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is it possible to get normal dds while using sd?

edgy arrow
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feels kinda like serrated point for me; boon good me bad

halcyon flame
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i should actually put fo1 on my usual heat setup so i can get used to it

edgy arrow
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do it

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or use FO2

halcyon flame
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nope not gonna happen

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40% is scawy

edgy arrow
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using FO2 is great because the game suddenly is easy if you turn it off

halcyon flame
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i mean

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at this point the game is pretty easy already really dusa

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yeah so i'll definitely put on fo1

edgy arrow
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if the game is easy, you have the tools to fix that

halcyon flame
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i should also just put on td2 because i think i'm already at the level where 28 minutes is quite a lot of time

gaunt fiber
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Or get a chaos legendary

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works too

halcyon flame
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i could try td3 but my last run was literally seconds short of sub 19

halcyon flame
gaunt fiber
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Exactly

halcyon flame
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i wonder if i can have multiple dds while i'm actually using sd

gaunt fiber
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SD will go first

edgy arrow
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yeah you can have a whole bunch in theory

halcyon flame
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surely that would take very good luck

gaunt fiber
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You can do it again for another DD from athena

halcyon flame
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i've seen someone with like, 7 dds

edgy arrow
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i’ve had 3 a couple times

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if they had 7 they prolly started with DDs tho

halcyon flame
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actually i think they had 6

gaunt fiber
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Yup

halcyon flame
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skelly + 3x dd + 2x cd

quartz mantle
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What do y'all think about Tooth vs Acorn going into Styx

mossy zinc
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Acorn is more eHP unless EM4 or you have a whole lot of damage reduction.

quartz mantle
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I'm pretty sure Dodge takes priority over Acorn if I'm not mistaken

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like if you have Acorn charges but dodge an attack you don't lose an Acorn charge

mossy zinc
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Yeah, that's right.

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Fixed.

quartz mantle
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Also I've never thought about this but can you throw on Cerberus collar and have it restore your hp to match your new max hp?

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Cause depending on if you have multiple DDs that could get you more overall hp

vital grove
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I think the most EHP is Plume from the start

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30% going into the boss is a lot.

quartz mantle
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Especially if you get any rarity of Greater Evasion

upbeat cedar
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if you have multiple dd's cerberus collar if you go up from 200 to 250 assuming max health and all dd's, that's an additional 25 hp per dd

#

50 for the first one, so at three you break even with skelly's tooth

turbid bobcat
#

Or even more if you have Athena's boon which adds more HP per dd

upbeat cedar
#

depending on build it definitely could be better!

#

possibly

waxen relic
#

Skelly allows you to get overkilled

#

and if you start plume you might not get weak which is also 30%

upbeat cedar
#

yeah thats the thing, it might not be enough to shave enough hits off per dd

gaunt fiber
#

Remind yourself that taking darkness is good

#

24*40 achieved as I hit 400 hours

#

Lmao I was not on legacy

vital grove
#

Lmao

#

I guess the +10% isn't super impactful

edgy arrow
#

lmao i hit 400 hours a while back and i haven’t even done 6x40

#

i just come to this channel to feel bad at the game at this point

#

also: congrats astaos!

gaunt fiber
#

You know

#

It's only a matter of what you want to achieve

#

Last week I had like 6 aspects at 40 like you

edgy arrow
#

lol you reckon i can do 24x40 in a week

#

okay here goes

#

challenge accepted

vital grove
#

I believe in you, okwy

edgy arrow
#

i don’t believe in me ngl

vital grove
#

Ambiguity bonus +50%

edgy arrow
#

woah so many ambiguous

#

changed my mind i’m clearly gonna make it

#

by the power of bouldy

sly remnant
#

Grats Astaos! Gods legacy confirmed scam!

shy gulch
#

yo congrats astaos! that’s big

gaunt fiber
#

But I love Legacy shadegrief

sly remnant
#

The top 3 skills on the mirror

#

Are all scams

#

Just roll it anyways

quartz mantle
#

The mirror is a scam

true fable
#

congrats astaos!

#

also @edgy arrow you can def do it in a week

#

some aspects just take more resetting for flurry jab grinding than others

gaunt fiber
#

Got my flurry jabs first try tho

shy gulch
#

multi weps runners hate him

tidal flame
#

How do you make Arthur work lmao

#

I'm pulling my hair with this aspect

rain sedge
#

congrats astaos!

#

whats next?

shy gulch
#

what are u doing with arthur @tidal flame

#

actually i dont even know why i asked im terrible with arthur too LOL

fervent locust
#

same

#

but uh

tidal flame
#

40

fervent locust
#

the special works wonders

shy gulch
#

u could try the peachhead strat and weave dashes in your main combo

#

which makes it pretty fluid, but timing is pretty hard

#

or u could just play its as budget nemesis and just dash strike constantly

tidal flame
#

That's what I'm doing, but I can't get the damage up

#

It just feels low dps some how

gaunt fiber
shy gulch
#

i hate astaos

fervent locust
#

isn't the point of arthur high dps?

shy gulch
#

LOL

gaunt fiber
tidal flame
fervent locust
#

that's true, but high damage usually translates to high dps

tidal flame
#

I think Arthur DPS is trash

fervent locust
#

even if it is done slowly

tidal flame
#

Yikes

gaunt fiber
#

@rain sedge Thanks! Not sure for now. Maybe a bit of GY speedrun. Higher heats, mirrorless are also options. But I'll take a little break first

#

Fox

#

Arthur dps is really good

#

Don't go ME it's garbage

tidal flame
#

Heart Rend route maybe?

gaunt fiber
#

yeah

#

Passion dash is the way

shy gulch
#

heart rend seems fine yea

#

id probably jsut go aphro attack because im lame and want athena dash tho

tidal flame
#

I was thinking Flourish

gaunt fiber
#

the special is really slow

shy gulch
#

idk if u should be specialing too often

#

its very slow yeah

#

kinda clunky

gaunt fiber
#

I think optimal play is almost never special

#

unless lernie, bad witches etc

shy gulch
#

yeah basically

tidal flame
#

I'll try that

gaunt fiber
#

You could watch PeachHead runs too

#

He's just amazing, his dps rotation involves a lot of dash strikes

#

a lot to learn there

fervent locust
#

special while the enemies spawn

shy gulch
#

yeah peachhead is great

#

he has some great 40 heat speedruns

gaunt fiber
fervent locust
#

probably not if they're far away, but fair enough

gaunt fiber
#

dash strike double attack

#

Arthur can move quick

#

a lot of double dash for positionning

#

takes time to learn tho I think

shy gulch
#

yeah its difficult

gaunt fiber
#

Kinda want to practice it tho

#

250 hours practice per aspect, let's go squirtyay

fervent locust
tidal flame
#

Are peachhead runs on twitch?

gaunt fiber
#

yeah

shy gulch
#

this is his current 40 heat run on the boards

tidal flame
#

Does he only do Arthur?

shy gulch
#

mostly yeah lmao

#

arthur gamer

gaunt fiber
#

any 32 and 40

fervent locust
#

Am I the only one that finds extreme measures theseus easier than his normal version?

shy gulch
#

thats a somewhat common opinion

#

i used to think that but as i started adding FO and HL, asterius just got brutal with EM3

#

theseus is also mildly annoying just because if you misstep once into a red circle u get absolutely nuked

fervent locust
#

Yeah, asterius is a pain in the ass

true fable
#

EM3 is easy until you add HL and FO2

shy gulch
#

agreed

true fable
#

and suddenly you run into asterius miniboss

fervent locust
#

but at least I don't get hit offscreen by theseus spear 100 times

true fable
#

and then youre dead after 2 hits

shy gulch
#

asterius miniboss ;_;

gaunt fiber
#

What a nightmare it was

#

still is but I'm used to it now

fervent locust
#

I have to purposely look for him for the aspect

gaunt fiber
#

72 damage charge

fervent locust
#

and I hate it

gaunt fiber
#

always my entire life bar

vital grove
fervent locust
#

depends in your build + if you have a partner

#

still, think theseus is easier with em

#

almost never get hit by him

#

with em I can see his attacks coming

vital grove
#

Partner?

fervent locust
#

summon partner

vital grove
#

Well this is high heat of course you have a summon

fervent locust
#

fair enough

ocean tree
#

So I tried triple extreme measures

#

Apparently theseus alone is easier

#

Asterius is another story

prime lintel
#

it's cos he;'s not directly attacking you anymore, he's just providing environmental damage while Asterius hits you

ocean tree
#

I felt bone hydra is the hardest in triple extreme measures

prime lintel
#

oh for sure, it's cos of all the extra lava and the tiny arena

fervent locust
#

the other heads are closer to each other tho

#

so if you can deal aoe damage it's a bit easier

vital grove
#

I would say Hades >>>>>>>> heroes >>>>> Hydra >>>> Furies

dire steppe
#

em3 fo2 is scaery

fervent locust
#

which was fo

ocean tree
#

Wait

#

Hades too

dire steppe
#

forced overtime

fervent locust
#

ohh

ocean tree
#

So hades is buffed as well

vital grove
#

Hl5 Fo2 EM Asterius is dodge or die lol

ocean tree
#

Welp this run is gone

vital grove
#

Do you have em4 on?

#

Em4 is the hades buff

#

And it is by far the biggest buff of the ems

ocean tree
#

Max em

#

Hold on

#

Oh it's only em3

#

I don't think 4 is unlocked for me yet

#

Thank god for stubborn roots

fervent locust
ocean tree
#

Oh ok

alpine sleet
#

What heat setups

#

Do u guys go for 40

#

Like in general

opal token
#

Astaos has pics of their set up above. Just look for their last posts

#

They were doing all aspects at 40

#

That was their post from this morning

alpine sleet
#

Ah ty

#

Yuh i scrolled up

opal token
#

You could probably swap stuff around for DC2 depending on weapon

gaunt fiber
#

Exactly

#

This is my classic setup, I can move DC/JS or even HS sometimes

#

If you aim for consistency you may go for TD2 tho

vital grove
#

Astaos are you a they/them?

#

Just to make a mental note

opal token
#

Trying to practice not assuming gender on the internet hah

vital grove
#

Oh

#

The pronoun thing is kinda weird in the US huh

opal token
#

Oh yeah that could definitely be strange if not a native speaker

#

Their is just showing possession but “they” is def a weird one

vital grove
#

Mhm. I saw some people listed fae as their pronoun which was a bit confusing

opal token
#

That I have not seen before. No idea

gaunt fiber
#

I'm a he but I don't mind how you call me

vital grove
#

Careful what you don't mind people will get ideas 😏

mossy zinc
#

@gaunt fiber congratulations on 40 Heat all aspects!

#

What's next? Gitting gud? squirtnya

gaunt fiber
#

Probably yeah!

opal token
#

Does faster attack work with Delta Chamber? Like shoot 3 bullets faster or reduce the time between bursts?

mossy zinc
#

Good luck! squirtnya

mossy zinc
opal token
#

Oh wow so I actually want it potentially lol

#

That like never happens

opal token
#

Would you waste 5 min timer on an Ares Erebus gate with Eris given that ares...I really don’t care to put it in an Eris build ever lol

vital grove
#

Battle Rage can be nice if you have rocket bomb tho but yeah not worth it usually

#

I'd rather have Zeus, aphro, Arty, Poseidon, even dio

#

Dio dash can be pretty legit on Eris

opal token
#

Bc the dmg boost on Hangover is so nice?

true fable
#

dio dash... thonking

#

blade dash on eris is quite good

#

but nothing really beats tidal for damage

#

except blade dash with good usage and T2s and a legendary

#

at which point youve spent too much on blade dash

opal token
#

Is Flurry Fire good on eris with Zeus strike? That actually doesn’t sound awful.

true fable
#

its ok

#

special hammers are probably better

#

sorry

#

special hammers are definitely better

opal token
#

Haha

#

Targeting system > triple bomb pretty ez bc I think Triple bomb closes off Rocket?

#

Or it closes off cluster

true fable
#

triple closes off cluster yea

#

not rocket

vital grove
#

The thing is, Dio dash can lead into bad influence and that can reaaaaally amp the damage especially on eris

#

I first saw the real value of Bad Influence on Rama 40, on the special, just made everything really easy lol

quartz mantle
#

Do y'all have any advice for schmooving faster through Elysium?

#

I'm always on solid TD3 pace in Tartarus and Asphodel but I never make it out of Elysium in under 15 minutes total

gaunt fiber
#

Try to get the aggro of all foes in the room at once, clearing towards the exit

#

maybe you're too scared of enemies too

#

so you play really safe

quartz mantle
#

I am rather cautious of the exploding boys

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah

quartz mantle
#

also the big chariots

#

especially if they're armored

gaunt fiber
#

Just dash through terrain again and again for flamewheelers and through chariots

#

You want to bait them so they crash

quartz mantle
#

Is there a specific timing to dashing through chariots?

shy gulch
#

idk i just lead them around to a wall or barrier and dash through said barrier

#

or column

#

or whatever

gaunt fiber
#

yeah that's good too

shy gulch
#

dash back if they're not exploded

#

etc

gaunt fiber
#

Chariots deal a lot of damage

shy gulch
#

chariots are pretty scary

#

gotta dash through them with proper timing

gaunt fiber
shy gulch
#

oh you said chariots earlier

#

i thought u said flame wheels lul

quartz mantle
#

Armored Chariots make me quake in my boots

shy gulch
#

and yeah i just kinda get a feel for it? its tough

gaunt fiber
#

they're scary for sure

shy plinth
#

If you hit em really hard they stop

#

But yeah they're a pain

gaunt fiber
shy plinth
#

Well sure lol

tidal flame
#

I die at tye 2nd chamber

gaunt fiber
#

Because you die room 3

#

...

tidal flame
#

Lmao

shy plinth
#

Lololl

opal token
#

Rofl

gaunt fiber
#

Damn I thought you could handle room 2

tidal flame
#

Sorry nope

gaunt fiber
#

You will get there

tidal flame
#

Ty

#

Got my first clear yesterday

#

Game is fun

gaunt fiber
#

I saw that

opal token
#

I always lose several hundred hp to 1 flame wheel. It just blows up dozens of times

gaunt fiber
#

40 heat btw

tidal flame
#

Tyty

rain sedge
#

finally got mirage shot after 10+ roll with beowulf

#

the weapon only comes online after mirage shot apparently

#

dad killed me 😦

#

this weapon blows

gaunt fiber
#

Rip

#

Idk I beat it with crush shot, damage was huge

#

Take your time against dad

#

Like play really slow, only bullrush/ block

#

This is what I did

#

But you're getting there

rain sedge
#

Considering mirage shot is such a high roll, I might play crush shot

#

This weapon sucks my will to live

shy gulch
#

its not really that much of a high roll w flood flare

#

passion flare still works tho

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah it's not even close to ME

dire steppe
#

electric flare or bust

#

mirage shot is a crazy boon, it sucks if you don’t have a cast build but if you do it’s insane

#

mirage blizzard shot is also just like

rain sedge
#

I rolled it 10 times before getting it, it feels really bad

#

Like I understand it isn't supposed to be high roll, but experience says otherwise

vital grove
#

But the Deadly attack dragon rush is so nice

dire steppe
#

it adds +30% final cast damage if you don’t have another duo boon

#

if you have scint feast or blizzard shot (lol blizzard beowulf never) it also just triggers those things again

rain sedge
#

The deadly attack is nice yeah

#

I understand how the boon works .

gaunt fiber
#

@rain sedge Bright is streaming some beo

#

it's any heat but it could help I think

rain sedge
#

I'm watching

gaunt fiber
#

nice

dire steppe
#

what does the doom stone do if you don’t have MM on

#

never turned that off

shy gulch
#

the arena changes

#

doesnt hvae as many gaps

vital grove
#

Yeah think it's just a big empty room

#

I think you kill it faster with the traps though lol.

rain sedge
#

well it looks like

#

with mirage shot the beowulf becomes a really good weapon

#

but without it's so underwhelming

#

feels like ME

gaunt fiber
#

Idk anything about the weapon

#

But I'm sure it's not

#

some casts are better than others for sure

#

but the poseidon strat is quite new

rain sedge
#

maybe I'm just bad at it

#

lernie just killed me with his machine gun spit 😦

#

I was so happy to get mirage shot in tartarus

chilly sun
#

I've gotten better at 32 heat I'm trying to clear it with rama :]

dire steppe
#

and does MM affect em4 summons

shy gulch
#

no

#

i dont believe so

dire steppe
#

imagine fighting em4 but there’s like 10 wringers

gaunt fiber
#

does not, unique variant

gaunt fiber
opal token
#

Funny if you have Athena dash tho

#

Reflect like 100 waves at once

rain sedge
#

uh, does your game suddenly freeze from time to time?

#

like, just frame freeze

#

@daring hedge ?

daring hedge
#

not really no, the hangups i was getting were in loading zones between chambers

#

mostly into weapon courtyard or bosses/minibosses etc

vital grove
#

Went to take a look at your 60 rama just now

#

That anvil, oh man

daring hedge
#

i know lol

rain sedge
#

that's weird then, this can't be related to hardware either

daring hedge
#

huge credit to that anvil

rain sedge
#

hmmm ok

vital grove
#

Triple shot and relentless for a chain shot, haha

#

Really good run tho, all told. Didn't even seem like you got particularly lucky outside of the anvil, just great play

daring hedge
#

thanks squirtyay

vital grove
#

Actually I think you ended with 2 unused megs?

daring hedge
#

yeah

vital grove
#

Was the idea to keep 1 or 2 for 3 sack?

daring hedge
#

kinda yeah, there are just some minibosses where i don't use it, like anything in tartarus or witches in aspho

#

so sometimes i end up with more than i need, which can help if i get sacked

rain sedge
#

isnt your run just over if you get 3 sacced?

vital grove
#

Good to know. I thought youd burn one for sure on the power couple there but nope

daring hedge
#

chain was pretty bad in elysium

#

4sack though absolutely at TD3 with that much heat

#

that's basically rip

vital grove
#

Yeah I think you would've done 3 sack

#

Boosted 2xSD would've bought enough time i think

rain sedge
#

well FWIW your skill was insane that run

#

talking about insane stuff

#

FINALLY free from this accursed weapon

#

this must take me the same attempt as my other 40s combined

daring hedge
#

oh nice!

rain sedge
#

@gaunt fiber @true fable there you go friends

#

this was painful

gaunt fiber
#

That's clean boyo, congrats

rain sedge
#

the mirage shot felt mandatory to make it work

gaunt fiber
#

you're full hp

rain sedge
#

well, got acorn and stuff

gaunt fiber
#

sure

#

but you died to dad before

#

so you improved

rain sedge
#

but it's because of the huge damage I'm able to output. the other 2/3 times I got to dad it felt so miserable

#

because each chunk is only 800 damage

#

also the 4 dashes help

#

anyway... moving on to bow I think

#

rama and zag bow shouldn't be that hard right

gaunt fiber
#

Zag was ez for me

#

Rama I was tired and it took me 3 tries

#

died miserably at heroes

rain sedge
#

I feel rama will be really hard for me

#

last time I did it for 32, it was kinda stressful

#

point blank shot or triple shot for zag bow?

gaunt fiber
#

No idea

#

Maybe triple?

#

safer

rain sedge
#

triple it is

#

unsure about the safer part, seems like I kinda want to shotgun it anyway

sly remnant
#

Grats on the beo @rain sedge !!

rain sedge
#

should've taken point blank

#

thanks tyler, it's your advice that made this possible

gaunt fiber
#

So basically in the future

#

you just take what I say and do the opposite I guess

rain sedge
#

don't be like that astaos 😦

gaunt fiber
#

haha

#

I mean that's just funny

#

that two times in a row I'm trying to help and it does not work

#

(although I think triple shot was ok, point blank might be better for dps tho)

rain sedge
#

so sniper shot is useless, I see

#

I had to take it since the other hammers are specials

#

but uh

#

the range is super far

gaunt fiber
#

yep useless

#

flurry tho

rain sedge
#

yea unfortunately I did not roll that

#

ok that was not too bad, zag bow feels quite good for some reason

#

onto rama then

gaunt fiber
#

well

#

it crits

#

so it's good

rain sedge
#

my god

#

this bow DELETES bosses

#

I can see why king likes this weapon

gaunt fiber
#

the only problem

#

is that you still have to play the game

rain sedge
#

what does that even mean

gaunt fiber
#

yeah that does not make sense

#

I mean that the weapon won't play itself

#

unlike certain aspects that just get good boons and then you can just enjoy the drive

rain sedge
#

like hestia?

lusty mirage
#

summoning @green citrus to bright's stream for arthur with croven binds

gaunt fiber
#

lmao

gaunt fiber
#

eris

#

woops

rain sedge
#

"croven binds"?

#

wooooow

#

eris does NOT play itself

#

Kappa

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
#

this is aspect elitism

gaunt fiber
#

75%

#

But you're right, I should respect Eris at high heat

#

kinda

#

maybe

#

one day for sure

rain sedge
#

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to play Eris. The gameplay is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of attack-holding techniques most of the plays will go over a typical gamer's head. There's also Eris' 75% bonus, which is a deftly woven reference to the 75% chance you'll not roll a sac. The Eris gamers understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of this aspect, to realise that they're not just broken- they say something deep about HADES.

gaunt fiber
#

I'm

#

Thank you for that man

#

This is pin worthy

green citrus
shy gulch
#

also im seconding the fact that hestia doesnt require a brain for the most part

#

gun go pew

rain sedge
#

I phased dad with 3 shots

#

this bow is actually so good, no wonder it's the 60 heat weaponm

#

and that's all the bow, shield, and rails

gaunt fiber
#

Nice!

rain sedge
#

what did you do for hades spear astaos?

gaunt fiber
#

huh

#

Guan Yu

rain sedge
#

....

#

what's the build for 40

shy gulch
#

arty attack

#

go

rain sedge
#

is that too brave?

#

should I just go aphro for the EHP?

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
#

I'll try arty first and see how quick I die

gaunt fiber
#

this was my build

rain sedge
#

what in the world...

shy gulch
#

im pretty sure i did arty attack for my 40 heat hades spear

#

oh charged skewer + exploding launcher

rain sedge
#

that's such good hammers and boons

shy gulch
#

very nice

#

i think i just got serrated or something

#

idr

gaunt fiber
#

I did another one with serrated and heartbreak strike

rain sedge
#

do you have to get charged first, then exploding?

gaunt fiber
#

charged skewer first y

#

so basically no hammer

#

Just go Arty tbh

#

fish for exploding and serrated

#

cancel spins to get the iframe, spam attack/dash strikes

#

Don't max spin too (most of the time, small ones are better)

rain sedge
#

it's really hard to get the spin off huh

#

with FO2

gaunt fiber
#

well

daring hedge
#

Never do full spins

gaunt fiber
#

I had so many hours with GY that it helped me

daring hedge
#

Minis are easy enough even with FO2

#

Well, not never full spins

#

But those are mostly for downtime between waves or phases

rain sedge
#

4 blue heads on lernie

#

my god those blue heads are EVIL

shy gulch
#

yeah i hate blue heads

sly remnant
#

head rng on lernie is one of my least favorite parts of hades

rain sedge
#

I don't think it's as bad as sac but yea

#

sometimes you just get really unlucky

sly remnant
#

CTE slam just does so much damage

rain sedge
#

what's CTE?

sly remnant
#

chronic traumatic encephalopathy. its a condition you get from a lot of repeated trauma to the head

#

its what the big to-do about is in American Football

#

thats why concussion protocols and such exist now because the repeated trauma causes long term damage

spring kettle
#

Orange head is difficult for me

#

The ones that spits out magma puddles

#

combine that with the arena on EM2 and ouch

rain sedge
#

I got serrated point and opted for hunter dash rather than divine dash later

#

is this just a super bad idea on 40?

sly remnant
#

not if you are good

rain sedge
#

I'm regretting this already

north dove
#

darn, killed by a speeder slugger slam dancer. those 56 damage bombs are no joke

rain sedge
#

what's your project retrash?

dire steppe
#

24x45 streak

north dove
#

^

rain sedge
#

how far did you get?

north dove
#

this time? only 4

dire steppe
#

do 45 aspects at 24 heat instead

spring kettle
#

where would you get the other 21 aspects?

dire steppe
#

that’s not my job to figure out

rain sedge
#

are you not interested in 24x50 retrash?

#

surely you must have most aspects at 50+ already

spring kettle
#

Try 24x60

#

Show tailesque that you can do better than him

rain sedge
#

that 62 does not feel that far off tbh

north dove
rain sedge
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I see, wish you stream so we can watch it

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also I'm going to dad with hunter dash serrated point, wish me luck

sly remnant
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you got this schad

rain sedge
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nah I got ruined

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41 HP left on phase 2

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I really got too dependent on divine dash

honest kernel
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Shackles won't quite do it, time-wise

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I need to highroll for the special

rain sedge
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eehhh

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you're 2 chambers from champion

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than/fountain can show up

honest kernel
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...

rain sedge
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you do lack boons a lot tho

honest kernel
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EM4

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Is why

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I need to save time for that fight

rain sedge
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idk a 2 sac might do it