h1-high-heat-strategies

[sullen minnow]

Apparently 🙄

[tidal flame]

reset time xD

[mossy zinc]

Different League is pretty good.

[sullen minnow]

No! I die with honor!

I accept my stupid choices to the grave!

Yeah that’s probably my pick. Defense is defense

[sly remnant]

arrow head
deadly strike
decent hammer
roll your face over the keyboard to finish the run

[sullen minnow]

Lol copy copy on that

[tidal flame]

how do you roll face on controller?

[sullen minnow]

Honestly not hard

Less square footage to cover

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike is excellent, too.

[sullen minnow]

That’s what I was going for 😭

And I’d have been set up too with ares special

[spring kettle]

But monkey brain like seeing huge crits

[sly remnant]

heartbreak strike is a good alternative if arti doesn't cooperate

[tidal flame]

Which weapon is this?

[sullen minnow]

Rama

[tidal flame]

Though Arti usually cooperates because both Hunter Dash and Deadly Strike are good

[sly remnant]

^yes

but most people aren't good enough for hunter dash for first 32

[sullen minnow]

So far I’ve got lvl4 ares special, common dio dash, different league and jack all else

I shouldn’t say that, I do have ares stacking doom boon

[tidal flame]

Where are you right now?

[sullen minnow]

Still though, it reminds me of my first ever clears, when I discovered that spear+doom was a good enough way to Clear the Game

Just knocked the Power Couple’s block off

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak does more damage until you have a % hammer or some t2 crit boons. But it's not like Heartbreak Strike is lacking in damage even then, especially with that pom scaling.

Sweet Surrender is also really good.

[sullen minnow]

Ok boys

Gut check here

[sly remnant]

sweet surrender is + damage

[sullen minnow]

Frost strike common for booty aphrodite

[sly remnant]

it just doesn't scale

[daring hedge]

[sullen minnow]

Snow burst

Or rare crop for the memes

All common

[sly remnant]

lmfao i'm joking! i said it was hard to play earlier!

[tidal flame]

No he didn't

Shame him Tail

[daring hedge]

lol

[sullen minnow]

I want to rare crop but I feel like frost strike might be my safest bet going into lernie. I don’t have an attack boon otherwise. I’ve got Aphro in the pool at least, might it be worth it to hold out hope and take snow burst or rare crop?

Or do we recommend auto-rolls for 3 commons in crucial situations lol

[mossy zinc]

What are you even talking about lol. Sweet Surrender is good.

[sullen minnow]

Ok, I dont regret that

Yolo’d rare crop and it landed on my common dio dash

[sly remnant]

if you have a lot of flat damage sources on things like splash dash or casts then sweet surrender is good

rama is not that

[mossy zinc]

It's always good.

[sly remnant]

its what

at epic

i don't remember the percentage

[sullen minnow]

Lernie update: he ded

Turns out Rama Just Owns

[gaunt fiber]

I'd say 22%

but not sure

[sly remnant]

22%

so its barely better than an arti boon

common arti boon

not including crit

[mossy zinc]

+20–25% at Epic.

[gaunt fiber]

I always get 22

[north dove]

sweet surrender is one of the only boons that affect summon damage

so I think it's good

[sly remnant]

i'm not saying its unpickable

[mossy zinc]

It's +20–25% on all damage lol.

[opal token]

I mean...that’s 12 butterfly encounters, 5 fountains on epic strong drink

Yeah...

It’s 1/3 of Eric aspect

At max rank eris

[sly remnant]

ye except you have to remember

to have sweet surrender

you already have a lot of + damage

so its diminishing returns

its not unpickable

[opal token]

Flat 20% damage increase does not suffer from diminishing returns. You don’t know what those are.

[sly remnant]

percentage damage stacks additively

this isn't up for debate?

i already said it was good with flat damage sources like splash dash and cast

it is not good on rama

[opal token]

You should look up the definition of diminishing returns.

[sly remnant]

putting things in + damage is diminishing in that it neglects your base damage or crit

i don't understand how this is a debate

yea if i see life affirmation, aphro call, and sweet surrender

sure

i'

i'll take sweet surrender

[mossy zinc]

Aphrodite's Aid is great, too.

[sly remnant]

lmfao

[sullen minnow]

@mossy zinc same

[tidal flame]

Flurry Shot without Twinsies or Triple is such a meme =.=

I think it also disables Hunter Dash if you have it.

[mossy zinc]

It's 2500 burst damage regardless of poms or rarity that can backstab, and Charm can do a whole lot of work. Don't know what the laugh is about lol.

Even more with Sweet Surrender btw.

[gaunt fiber]

Aphro call deals 6000

[mossy zinc]

^

[gaunt fiber]

To be a bit more serious

Look at rush delivery

it's good right

Well Sweet surrender is like this but a bit less

[tidal flame]

Does Eris increase that damage?

[gaunt fiber]

so still good

[sullen minnow]

Fiiiiiiiinally

Aphro attack

It’s common

But aphro attack

[mossy zinc]

Sweet Surrender is worth a first pom or a rarity upgrade for just your Attack alone, but it applies to all of your damage.

[spring kettle]

that includes companions

[gaunt fiber]

It's easy to have 100% uptime on it too

[mossy zinc]

@tidal flame yes. Eris increases all damage except for summons.

[sly remnant]

yea guys just get a full call

free damage

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber status on the thing?

[gaunt fiber]

swords and 2 spears remaining, have not played this week end

Tho I'm on Arthur

the run is curse btw

I pray the heavens to forgive me

[tidal flame]

are you doing 24x40?

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[rain sedge]

it's an arthur run, it's always cursed

[tidal flame]

should I do 24x41 to one up you?

[rain sedge]

imma try to do unstuck myself on beo then maybe I"ll be motivated to do the rest

[mossy zinc]

Burst damage on a Greater Call makes a big difference for boss fights.

[gaunt fiber]

Would that count? 40 is not my highest

[tidal flame]

I mean for this specific "category"

Though I just died at 10 heat so lol

[dire steppe]

wait, aphro call can backstab?

[gaunt fiber]

well yeah

go for it

[tidal flame]

apparently

[mossy zinc]

Back to #h1-for-new-players you go.

[tidal flame]

nooooo

[sullen minnow]

Ok boys

Last hammer

[sly remnant]

you are trading burst damage for 4 fights and losing consistent damage through rooms. its just not worth it. aphro call is fine. there are just 8 other better calls in the game

[tidal flame]

it wasn't my fault flurry shot is such a meme without triple twin

[sullen minnow]

Relentless volley, triple shot, chain shot

Thoughts?

[tidal flame]

Triple

[sly remnant]

triple

[tidal flame]

Hands down

[sullen minnow]

Ok

[dire steppe]

demeter call is better than aphro?

that’s a tyler hot take

[tidal flame]

Artemis call is better than all calls

[sullen minnow]

Try and stay point-blanker then I take it too?

[tidal flame]

yup

[spring kettle]

Artemis and athena call are top tier

[sly remnant]

demeter calls applies a status and helps you clear rooms

aphro's call biggest issue is its almost useless in rooms

[gaunt fiber]

Demeter is garbage let's be real

[spring kettle]

Dionysus call is good for clearing adds

[dire steppe]

artemis call is also imo worse than aphrodite tbh

[gaunt fiber]

It's sometimes good garbage

[dire steppe]

artemis lesser call is just true shot but worse

[mossy zinc]

Charm does a lot of damage in chambers lol.

[sullen minnow]

Can Patroclus do anything healing or DD for me if I have LC4/SD?

Or am I taking attack here?

Guessing heal wont work outright

[daring hedge]

i actually like charm in elysium against enemies that don't wig out when they are charmed

[dire steppe]

why does arty call have less crit rate than deadly strike lol

[daring hedge]

like strongbows who are worthless

[sly remnant]

its just too conditional

[spring kettle]

He has touch of styx dark

[dire steppe]

He gives +50% healing to your SD

for 15 chambers

[spring kettle]

SDs restore 50% more health

[sullen minnow]

Ooooooooo

[dire steppe]

It’s op

[sullen minnow]

Ooooooo

Yeah I never seen this before

This looks dank

I never use SD

Copy that

[mossy zinc]

It has better crit chance, though.

[dire steppe]

isn’t it 10%

[tidal flame]

30%

[dire steppe]

maybe it’s true shot that’s 10%

[gaunt fiber]

So I cleared Arthur 40

[sly remnant]

you are trading consistent damage through rooms for conditional damage in rooms and burst damage in boss fights

[gaunt fiber]

I'd like to share it but please don't judge me

[daring hedge]

honestly true shot and hunter flare should have higher crit%

[tidal flame]

^

Yes

So much yes

or AOE

Anything

[sly remnant]

artemis' downside as a god is supposed to be that she doesn't have built in aoe

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, they spend way too much time running away, and their attack takes too long to charge.

[sullen minnow]

Wooooo that’s Elysium gang

[mossy zinc]

Longspears and Chariots do work, though.

[sullen minnow]

Wish me a 2-sack

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/L03ywfe

@green citrus I'm sorry

[daring hedge]

yeah, strongbows like to spend the whole charm duration running into position to shoot, and never actually shoot

[rain sedge]

did you literaly just fish for merciful ending

[sullen minnow]

Would skelly tooth do anything for me late in the game here? Or should I grab acorn/spear point?

[sly remnant]

ME works on anything

[gaunt fiber]

I swear I did not

Got it on styx

My clear was terrible

Thank god Demeter rare cropped in Tartarus

[tidal flame]

is this build actually good?

it looks so meme ngl

[sly remnant]

its high roll'y

[mossy zinc]

How much HL?

[sly remnant]

but ME makes anything go zoom

[gaunt fiber]

it requires you not to play Arthur

[sullen minnow]

@mossy zinc 80%

[mossy zinc]

Hmm yeah I'd grab Acorn.

[sullen minnow]

Should I be concerned with Styx or hades one-shotting me?

I guess the latter

[mossy zinc]

Just make sure you don't die in Tunnels.

[gaunt fiber]

I think it's garbage on Arthur, even if it's ME

[sullen minnow]

Will do

[mossy zinc]

Miniboss chambers are faster and more predictable.

[sly remnant]

its def garbage but you don't have to play arthur

[mossy zinc]

Take those tunnels first.

[sullen minnow]

I feel like ME is inversely good to the attack speed of the given build

Indeed @mossy zinc TY

Not that ME is ever bad, but inversely good

[dire steppe]

ME still needs another nerf tbh

[gaunt fiber]

I had to play Arthur until styx lmao, but with a cursed attack not scaling

[sly remnant]

ME doesn't need a nerf

its high roll as hell

let it be goood

[sullen minnow]

I’m with him

ME is a shining beacon of power for the game

[gaunt fiber]

well it's reset city if you fish for it

[tidal flame]

yep

[sullen minnow]

It should be broken

[tidal flame]

be nerf-adverse in a single player game

revert my spreadfire back SGG

[sullen minnow]

I mean, you are a demigod being empowered by your Olympian relatives after all

[daring hedge]

the prereq nerf was enough for it really

it's fine being a high roll powerful option right now

[rain sedge]

how do you even play this damn beowulf aspect

[opal token]

Ah this run is dead to a 4 sack. Almost got there with nemesis too

[rain sedge]

I havent gotten past tartarus

it just feels so clunky

[dire steppe]

ME

[analog tangle]

upgrade it to max and try it out again

[gaunt fiber]

ME on Beo should be ok tbh

[mossy zinc]

It's not that broken since you have to take a weak Special or Attack for it.

[sullen minnow]

Beowulf is secretly also about how much damage you can get out of its special too

Imo

Esp. With charged special

[daring hedge]

beo special builds aren't really that secret but yes lol

[analog tangle]

literally all i did was upgrade it to max and it was finally worth the heavy attacks

[rain sedge]

of course I have it at max .

[mossy zinc]

E.g., ME on Malphon means you don't have Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish.

[sullen minnow]

I still find beo clunky but that helped me a lot

[sly remnant]

beo special builds are very safe

[rain sedge]

so should I just go the special build

[analog tangle]

then do a aphrodite build on it and it would feel good

[tidal flame]

idk, I just kinda put flood flare on and go

[analog tangle]

oneshot

[sly remnant]

flood flare and go

[daring hedge]

you can

[rain sedge]

I do have the flood flare

[sly remnant]

is correct

[tidal flame]

it's just chaos but weird

[sullen minnow]

But athena is pretty damn good on malphon

[daring hedge]

get hammer and decent special boon, profit

[tidal flame]

I rebind my cast to LB

[sullen minnow]

Deflector hitbox for daaaays

[daring hedge]

low commitment and huge damage

[opal token]

Lol 47 seconds to kill Hades? That can be done, right...?

[tidal flame]

and pretend that Hestia Rail and Chaos Shield decided to have a baby

[dire steppe]

its not like TD instantly kills you

[tidal flame]

yeah, just tank the timer, like actually

[mossy zinc]

I like Divine Strike on Malphon. But Divine Flourish is weak.

[rain sedge]

alright if I fail this one again I'm gonna put zeus special on it

[analog tangle]

if you time your invuln frames well enough in your dashstrike it is pretty easy

[gaunt fiber]

That's what I want to see

[opal token]

Nope I’m dead

Lol taking 5 dmg at a time while hades resurrects

[sly remnant]

4 sac's odn't happen often

go again

it sucks

but just go again

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

Except when you're on sub 10 pace or sub 12 pace or whatever 3-5 runs in a row.

[tidal flame]

I still wish SGG cuts down the time Hades transition lol

Literally just dead time.

[mossy zinc]

Then all of those runs are 4-sack or 5-sack.

[sly remnant]

barge would like to have a word

[tidal flame]

Well add that, too

[mossy zinc]

Tailesque doesn't have a problem with those things at 60 evidently, so just do a barrel roll like he does.

Hades transition taking too long? Do a barrel roll!

Barge too slow? Do a barrel roll!

Not finding any good boons or hammers? Do a barrel roll!

And remember: Repulse Shot is top tier.

[analog tangle]

what happened to barrrel rolls

[tidal flame]

Hades transition taking too long? Whine on Discord
Barge too slow? Whine on Discord
Not finding any good boons or hammers? Whine on Discord
I thought this was the true #h1-high-heat-strategies

[mossy zinc]

It used to be.

But they closed #hades-feedback.

Now all we have left is gitting gud.

[rain sedge]

uh, I just got +151% damage from epic heartbreak flourish

is this a right number?

I have never even seen 100%

[mossy zinc]

Yup.

+144~160 at Lv.1 Epic.

[gaunt fiber]

151 seems fine to me

[mossy zinc]

First pom is another +32%.

[gaunt fiber]

btw is this beo?

[rain sedge]

yea

[gaunt fiber]

I started my beo run the same way

[rain sedge]

I'm doing special build I cant take it

[sly remnant]

special build v safe its a good option

[mossy zinc]

Slow without Charged Flight.

[sly remnant]

its slow with charged flight

[rain sedge]

I kinda want the +4 special

[mossy zinc]

Wasn't slow when I did it.

[sly remnant]

woulda killed you on 1.0

even without charged flight nerf

[rain sedge]

I finally got out of tartarus

arty cast + aphro special

doom attack

seems optimal for various nice boons

[sullen minnow]

#h1-victory-boasting message

First 32 clear!

Thanks for your guys’ help!

Rama carries lol

[sly remnant]

grats!

[gaunt fiber]

are you running CF2 AP1? Was told it was the best pact

[sly remnant]

guys pls stop

[sullen minnow]

I can see how specialized builds get up there. Thats no joke

[sly remnant]

you are killing me

[rain sedge]

looking at the quality of advice in this channel recently, I'm sure you were told that

[tidal flame]

That's some shade lmao

[gaunt fiber]

shots fired, don't know where they're aimed at but they sure are fired

[sly remnant]

ROFL SCHAD

[rain sedge]

I'm just saying, recently there seem to be plenty of obnoxious/arrogant messages in this discord 🤷‍♂️

not you though astaos ❤️

[gaunt fiber]

I can't be arrogant here

It would be my downfall

Since my situation is already critical

[tidal flame]

it's ok this channel is already your downfall regardless

[sly remnant]

tbf outside of memes

i'm p sure everyone loves astaos

[rain sedge]

what situation?

[tidal flame]

yeah he's a good bot

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but oh god at what cost

[tidal flame]

lmao

[sly remnant]

half hp

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[sly remnant]

*depending on titan's blood

[tidal flame]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

snow burst is amazing

[sly remnant]

its quite good

[gaunt fiber]

(it's poseidon time)

[shy plinth]

Snow burst is like "on a cast weapon and need aoe? SNOW PROBLEM"

[gaunt fiber]

I know you're trying your best Mr. Hat

Here, take it.

[shy plinth]

I expected that joke to get the cold shoulder

[sullen minnow]

Art

[gaunt fiber]

Give back my casts lernie

it won't let me

argh

Asphodel is already the land of the lost casts

[sly remnant]

a classic poseidon noob mistake

[daring hedge]

cast tax

[tidal flame]

Bad Lernie
baddddd

[rain sedge]

dead by theseus, but I think I'm gonna stick with the special here

[tidal flame]

Is this an illegal pun I'm seeing?

[rain sedge]

im out, night all

[tidal flame]

bye

[gaunt fiber]

night!

Never surrender

goobye divine dash

[tidal flame]

what cast are you using

[gaunt fiber]

Electric shot, the one you can't keep track of

more fun

[tidal flame]

lol

[sullen minnow]

Any particularly great combos for Zag shield around 32? I’m building towards arty/aphro for Unga Bunga, didn’t know if there was anything I might be missing

[gaunt fiber]

I did

the most magnificent dash strike of my life

I feel like I run through half the room

To end in a 75 dmg trap

End of the dream

[sullen minnow]

I’m actually there right now

[tidal flame]

Lmao

[sullen minnow]

Arty dash and aphro special so far

[gaunt fiber]

My dash had like triple range

[sullen minnow]

Crossing my fingers for arty attack

[gaunt fiber]

but it's ok, room 3 electric shot lv 4

[sly remnant]

thats a win sir

don't die

[gaunt fiber]

arty aphro real good boyo

or boya

[gaunt fiber]

well

we'll see

[sly remnant]

you can do it

[gaunt fiber]

First trying aspects on 40 is

a bit tough

Exit wounds room 4 into athena wtf is that rng

[sly remnant]

aight

you got this

exit wounds fixes poseidon's biggest issue which is boss damage

[gaunt fiber]

yeah I noticed that

[sullen minnow]

Yeah it seems like a real no brainer for +damage builds

[gaunt fiber]

turns out crit is good

[sullen minnow]

And its boyo lol

Whod’a thunk

[sly remnant]

hades can't kill you if he's dead

crit is good

[sullen minnow]

Galaxy brain discussions itt

[gaunt fiber]

I mean you have "man" and "fangirl" in your name

you shady being

[sullen minnow]

I am an enigma, an ambiguity

[gaunt fiber]

Like Bouldy

[sullen minnow]

Also if I’m running SD is it even worth trying to turn LC under 100%?

Bouldy is my idol

Bouldy is the most enlightened being in the underworld

[sly remnant]

you could do LC3.

[sullen minnow]

Right next to sisyphus

[sly remnant]

but what other 1 heat is worth it

[sullen minnow]

Ok

I turned it down 2 and was playing with some other stuff like FO1

But I feel like I’m getting too middle-of-the-road there

[sly remnant]

if you do LC2 migt as well do DD

[sullen minnow]

Where I’m not really taking advantage of SD

[sly remnant]

i believe thats what peach does for 32 speedruns

[sullen minnow]

Hmmmm ok

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[sullen minnow]

I’ll give it a whirl

[gaunt fiber]

with high confidence

pog

[sly remnant]

Arthur high confidence

a tad different

[sullen minnow]

Lol

Think I’m going to change FO1 for TD3

[sly remnant]

TD3 makes you better at the game

[sullen minnow]

And give RI1 back for LC4

[sly remnant]

its a good one

[sullen minnow]

Yeah I get it

And if I’m optimizing for time I think I can do it

I just usually dont. Hell, usually I 100% Styx every time through on TD2 just for funsies lol

Not up here though

[gaunt fiber]

alright

let's curse this run

https://imgur.com/67FAW9l

[sullen minnow]

I like to imagine zagreus trash talking Hades that he murdered every satyr he could find in his blasted tunnels on his leisurely way up to beat his dad’s ass lol

[sly remnant]

bruh

what is this high roll

WITH CF2

WHAT THE HELL

[gaunt fiber]

hehe

One pom is erebus room 1

one nectar too

[tidal flame]

?????

[sly remnant]

think you'll phase furies with casts alone

[tidal flame]

hold on

that's 11 rooms worth of stuff, minus one nectar and 2 from erebus

that's 8 rooms worth of yellow

damn

[main pelican]

I’m sorry do you have Artemis legendary in tarturus

[gaunt fiber]

hmm

what keepsake now

oh mirage shot

[tidal flame]

yeah

[gaunt fiber]

yeah, god's legacy good

[tidal flame]

Dank Foresight also good

[green citrus]

Lmao ME Arthur. Kudos to you I guess

[sly remnant]

after getting talked about all night

peachhead just shows up and says you're crap astaos

[gaunt fiber]

I won't do it again

could not get mirage

tidal + slamming tho

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/JJ8OdeZ

[sly remnant]

i knew you could do it

grats!

[gaunt fiber]

I mean

lmao

5 cast, dislodge, dad going lasers

He took a third of his hp in one sequence

[sly remnant]

so whats left

[gaunt fiber]

Zagius, Zagratha, Nemesis, Achilles

[sly remnant]

dangerous weapons

but more health than you are used to

[gaunt fiber]

This is huge honestly

I'm like almost facetanking

But it's 4 am wtf

night/day all!

[sly remnant]

night!

[sullen minnow]

Ooooo

Doing Chiron @ 32 and just started into my favorite hammer, the repeating attack

Dis gon be gud

[true fable]

night astaos

[dire steppe]

goodnight astaos

[opal token]

Most ppl run epic boon mirror > duo boons at 32 Heat?

[sullen minnow]

I feel so

Survival and raw output begin to matter more, earlier

And duo’s become more of a nicety

Bird in the hand worth two in the bush kind of thing

[green citrus]

I think unless you're trying to run an ME build, the consensus is to take God's Pride instead of Legacy, yes.

[opal token]

Thanks

[true fable]

for some more reasoning, god's pride will affect hermes and chaos boons

which is really really good

an epic chaos dash strike boon will regularly reach high +90% damage

[honest kernel]

And Hermes boon scale REALLY well with Rarity

[opal token]

Yeah for sure

[honest kernel]

Epic rarity is often twice as effective as the common rarity

If not more

[true fable]

for chaos it's stupidly good

[edgy arrow]

except for cast stones lmao

also hermes’ auto god gauge charging boon doesn’t seem to change based on rarity?

always seemed weird to me

[honest kernel]

It does change

[edgy arrow]

wait really?

[honest kernel]

every 2 seconds at common, every 1.5 at uncommon, every 1 at epic

[edgy arrow]

ohh

there i was looking at the 1% and scratching my head

[honest kernel]

I actually never saw the Heroic variant

[edgy arrow]

that could have be communicated clearer lol

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[halcyon flame]

what's the best cast for aspect of poseidon?

[upbeat cedar]

Does Crush Shot hold up on high heat?

[opal token]

Yes? Why do you ask? Like all the cast builds use it.

[true fable]

crush shot isnt super utilized outside of hera but i do personally like it on achilles and poseidon

high base damage is good

[vital grove]

Yeah you need more than 350 hp to outheal it wasn't doing math

I think it's actually 420

So not really gonna happen most runs unless you're playing Arthur with Cerb keepsake.

[waxen relic]

This is about Stubborn Roots right? But i'm firmly under the impression that Stubborn Roots does not heal more if you have more maxHP

[mossy zinc]

Crush Shot is really really good on sword and spear.

[upbeat cedar]

sorry I was replying to best cast for aspect of poseidon, and I think Crush Shot tends to do it for me

[vital grove]

Oh crap, I thought it was 1%

Lol, then yeah it won't work

[halcyon flame]

what's the most recommended weapon for em4?

i generally don't like the spear except maybe for guan yu

[lime moss]

||Whatever you're good at||

[halcyon flame]

[reef marlin]

Twin fist and hope demeter and Artimes show up because they will burn boss health bars faster than your heart when you're parents call you by your full name

[vital grove]

Aspect of Baj aka Zeus

Big deepz, safe

[runic gull]

Man, so I'm in the 10-15 heat range (I know thats not THAT high), but I find myself just completely avoiding Cast on every run, regardless of weapon, with no downside. It just feels so much faster and more efficient to build around less "moves" in a rotation (like just attack or attack + special instead of attack + special + cast). Although admittedly I've been playing exclusively with Stygian Soul for a long time, thinking maybe Infernal Soul is better for high heat? Stuff like Ravenous Will or being able to quickly burst with 3 shots a dangerous enemy is starting to feel more necessary. Thoughts?

[fervent locust]

I only use cast on bosses at the beginning to get the extra damage so I get what you mean

Also, yes, I feel like Infernal soul is more useful. being able to shot all 3 at once is pretty good, you probably won't be using the cast as much to take advantage of stygian soul

unless you're doing a cast build, but, doesn't seem to be the case (but even then, most cast builds use hera bow/ beo shield, which take advantage of having 3 casts, so, yeah)

also, yes, it allows you to have ravenous will for a bigger portion of a battle, which is always helpful

[shy gulch]

if I’m not running a cast build I don’t really pay attention to my casts

I run Stygian for the ever so slightly better Hermes boons (infernal opens up both flurry / quick reload, Stygian only has auto reload)

usually I just use casts for boiling blood

[vital grove]

Casts in non cast builds can help unlock duo boons or shore up a weakness a little bit

And Phalanx in particular I find pretty nice

You toss it at a ranged enemy and they implode themselvrs

[reef marlin]

Demeter and Artimes duo cast is the best in the game, and combined with freeze explosion can destroy what would be hard fights

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgflip.com/i/4u9hzw

[edgy arrow]

lmao

[sly remnant]

LMAO ASTAOS

Also casts are very good. You should run stygian for most aspects as croven pointed put for the better hermes boons most of the time unless infernal is solving a particular problem. Cast usage in rooms is good for dealing with that last bit of health on enemies and dashing towards the door. Make sure you dash or special cancel the cast animation. Use your casts to one shot enemies. Casts with reach like electric shot or flood shot can often solve AoE or distance problems at certain stages of the run. Your cast is a tool, use it. Boiling blood is one of the best sources of +damage early. Throwing your cast on a BP'd armor enemy is how you kill them fast especially in tartarus.

[zenith lance]

yo is there like a specific trick or something when you try to reach sub 10mins

most Ive gotten is 12mins

going with the bow

zagreus aspect

[edgy arrow]

use a lotta chaos gates idk

actually no there is a trick; it’s called eris

[onyx venture]

There's a lot of small optimizations, but having a plan and knowing how to execute on it while also minimizing choices that eat time make a big difference. Pause when making choices, be familiar with builds. Try watching some speedruns for tips

[edgy arrow]

my speedrunning strats:
-check the meta
-watch lili’s wr
-feel inadequate
-go back to high heat

[zenith lance]

I just always feel like Im not clearing rooms fast enough

Since my plan basically is just get heart rend and do lotsa damage

[fervent locust]

who's lili

[edgy arrow]

honestly zag bow prolly isn’t the easiest to get sub 10 with

according to the leaderboard only 5 people have done it lol

[edgy arrow]

any heat wr holder

[zenith lance]

🗿

[fervent locust]

let's see

[zenith lance]

Gotta try hera then I heard that aspect is best when you speedrun with bow

[edgy arrow]

wait no that’s wrong

more than 5 people have done it

man i thought that was weird

[shy gulch]

zag bow is fine its just hammer reliant

[edgy arrow]

i opened the 32 heat leaderboard by accident lol

[shy gulch]

hera is the best and most consistent to speedrun with but bow actually has a few options

both zag and rama are speedy

they're just more inconsistent bc they rely on specific hammers

whereas hera literally just needs crush shot and snow burst and the build is done

[fervent locust]

which hammer tho

[shy gulch]

twin and triple

[fervent locust]

I haven't really used zag bow

like

ever

[shy gulch]

i prefer twin

[zenith lance]

I always try to get double shot, flurry shot and/or the close range one

[shy gulch]

but triple is good too

yeah thats basically the build

[sly remnant]

Getting good times on an aspect require understanding how to move through a room and build your weapon efficiently. If you want to get better at the game shooting for sub 10 32 times or sub 8 anyheat or sub 12 40 times is what makes you good at hades

[shy gulch]

twin shot first hammer, then point blank second

flurry second also works

[zenith lance]

And then your usual heart rend

[shy gulch]

you also would like chaos boons, specifically dash strike since they can give massive bonuses to your dash strike

which is all you do anyways

[zenith lance]

Would be nice if chaos spawned

And if he did he actually gave me it

[edgy arrow]

spam those wells

[shy gulch]

mood

[zenith lance]

Yeah

[edgy arrow]

light of ixion is yo fren

[zenith lance]

Anyway I do want to try rail

With zeus

[edgy arrow]

use eris

[zenith lance]

I feel like that would be good

Ye I heard eris is good

[sly remnant]

Zeus with rail is a good way to learn speed basics

[shy gulch]

eris is indeed quite good

[gaunt fiber]

Third fail with Zag sword, idk what to do

[zenith lance]

I do need a lot of titan blood first

[sly remnant]

I wouldn't be satisfied with anything less than sub 10 on eris tho

[shy gulch]

zag sword at 40 heat?

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[shy gulch]

thats rough

i only did 32 w zag sword

[sly remnant]

Are you going ME?

[gaunt fiber]

2 death on dad, one on heroes

[shy gulch]

have u tried the classic athena start

[gaunt fiber]

this is what I'm doing, with dio start too lmao

[edgy arrow]

i’ve decided that heat only goes up to 32 with zag sword

[gaunt fiber]

I don't wanna go ME

[edgy arrow]

took me long enough to get there lol

[gaunt fiber]

My goal is kinda

athena for dash, artemis for crit + support fire to get damage from a random call

like dio zeus

[zenith lance]

The day I manage sub 10 is the day Ill fully accept Im good in this game and will stop playing until update or I dunno

Or I just give up

And do something more meaningful in my life

[edgy arrow]

lol i said that about 32 heat

then i said it about 40

i’m still here

[zenith lance]

32 heat was an expirience

And Ill not go higher

[edgy arrow]

that’s fair

[alpine sleet]

Try hangover

[gaunt fiber]

I kinda want flurry slash it seems fun

[alpine sleet]

And cursed slash is v nice

[mortal cipher]

is stubborn deafiance better than death ddefiance on 32 hehat?

[gaunt fiber]

I did, ended in aspho

[alpine sleet]

Rip

[gaunt fiber]

I can't take cursed slash

[zenith lance]

I went death personally

[gaunt fiber]

I don't know how to play sword

[alpine sleet]

Ah

Rop

[zenith lance]

Stubborn is kinda neccesary if you go 100% on the healing thing

[gaunt fiber]

Timer was tough on daddy

[gaunt fiber]

thanks mate

[edgy arrow]

pretty sure 40 heat zag is cursed flurry slash or bust

you gotta play to the aspects strengths

[gaunt fiber]

I want flurry yeah

[sly remnant]

P sure you just ME guys

[gaunt fiber]

Won't ME

[edgy arrow]

it’s strengths being mostly memes

[gaunt fiber]

it's cursed

[edgy arrow]

anything can ME

[sly remnant]

Yea and zag sword is actually good at ME

[gaunt fiber]

Hyper delivery Aphro call flurry support fire high roll

Let's go

[edgy arrow]

only zag sword can heroic swift strike cursed flurry

dream big

[gaunt fiber]

I had a ME run

[sly remnant]

Just go big chop then

[gaunt fiber]

Died on phase 2, two hits from victory

but it was not really zag sword so I'm fine with that

But it was a fun run, ME appeared out of nowhere

[sly remnant]

How did you end up with ares on attack by accident

[gaunt fiber]

lemme show you

[edgy arrow]

these things happen

i accidentally played dio attack rail the other day

[sly remnant]

Dio attack rail is safe

Its not awful

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/5MkhSYB

[edgy arrow]

lol all it did was mess with my call damage

it was kinda funny

[gaunt fiber]

4 duos run

[sly remnant]

Did you sell Athena special for UC after getting ME?

[edgy arrow]

ah yes, CoL and ME

[gaunt fiber]

I totally did that, then got it again, then got an aphro exchange

[edgy arrow]

wild ride

[gaunt fiber]

exactly

Yes mr. Lemon

assuming gender, done

they're gone

[alpine sleet]

Lmao

[opal token]

I got 32 Heat nemesis yesterday also! Yay.

Somehow doing it first with melee weapons over ranged lol

[sly remnant]

Grats!

[opal token]

Thanks

[mortal cipher]

im trying to do it withh thhe eris bbut i just keep running out of hp

[vital grove]

Dude, best meme, this is the best meme.

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks mate

Find more on twitter dot com slash astaos

[vital grove]

It's January 18th and you have won the internet for today.

[gaunt fiber]

(I don't have one)

[true fable]

were we talking about whether or not you should cast lol

seems like a very discussion

[thorn jay]

Thanks a lot guys. Finally got my first 32 heat clear. HL5 and no FO apparently really is better than HL2 amd FO1. You guys weren't lying when you said even just FO1 makes stuff way harder at 32 heat despite me taking FO1 at 20 heat normally.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it really is

Sometimes big numbers are not the scary thing

[dire steppe]

i did HL5 FO2 for fists 32 lol

em3 is too hard

[thorn jay]

That's intense

Imo em3 fights the same as regular asterius theseus, i just can't go to the sides as often and have to watch out for asterius long beyblade move

[dire steppe]

fo2 em3 tho

hard to dodge with fists imo

[thorn jay]

How about no FO? I'm sure you have the skill since I can't even take on FO2 alone

[mossy zinc]

Divine Dash is huge for melee in that fight.

[true fable]

aurelion you have a very wacky mirror setup

has anyone ever told you that

[mossy zinc]

Rude.

[thorn jay]

Lmaooo

Can you tell me why?

I'll attempt more 32 heat runs

[true fable]

wacky does not necessarily mean bad nyaanyaa

if they can make it work it works for them

greater reflex is usually used over ruthless

boiling blood is usually used over abyssal

deep pockets usually over golden touch

[gaunt fiber]

32 ruthless

pog

What a gamer

Welcome

[true fable]

dark foresight usually used over olympian favor

[dire steppe]

i wish SGG would make stygian soul work like fated persuasion does when you have RI

[thorn jay]

Oh true true. I use all of those normally except for deep pockets. I didn't know that was the norm lolol

I just forgot to change from my previous run and just rolled with it

[true fable]

mogul moves

[thorn jay]

I mean i use greater reflex, boiling blood, and dark foresight*

[true fable]

deep pockets is usually preferred just because frontloaded gold helps you buy a boon at tart midshop

[thorn jay]

I see. I'll switch back to it and see if I get better results. Makes sense as well since I always find that i lack boons to sell to customs

[true fable]

you also run a pretty punishing pact in terms of boons

CF2 UC and the fact that you had favor on means you ended up with <10 boons total

[mossy zinc]

I'd recommend both CF2 and UC at 32.

But with Dark Foresight.

[vital grove]

I would do Fo2, no HL and Cf1

[alpine sleet]

Fo2 is hard

[thorn jay]

Yeah. That was my bad I forgot to put dakr foresight back on. Although I am quite used to CF2 and UC

[dire steppe]

Nyan recommends CF2 at 32?

[thorn jay]

I would've had a much easier time with Dark Foresight this run

[true fable]

i would personally do CF1 at most, at least for cast weapons

cast weapons scale with boons

[vital grove]

And they love their duos

So run the 10% thing

Legacy

[dire steppe]

Run RI3 for cast weapons at 32 imo

[true fable]

hera doesnt need legacy as much as beowulf does

[thorn jay]

CF2 and UC are both in the easy pacts in the pinned message

[true fable]

lol schad also plays mostly eris

[thorn jay]

What's legacy again?

[true fable]

eris needs like two boons to clear the game

[dire steppe]

eris doesn’t even need 2 it needs 1

just lightning strike

[thorn jay]

Olympian Legacy?

[true fable]

tidal dash is kind of important

[dire steppe]

and take shackle for special dmg

[true fable]

but again, CF2 could be free heat depending on the weapon

[thorn jay]

Oohhh true. That sounds good. I just ignore that pact though lol

Ao i never thought of it being cood for cast

[true fable]

itll just hurt more for cast weapons

[dire steppe]

if you play RI3 CF2 UC AP2 for cast weapon you have inner strength

no need for outer strength (boons)

[thorn jay]

What'a inner strength?

[dire steppe]

mental fortitude

[thorn jay]

And I can't deal with AP, i get tilted lmao

[dire steppe]

this isn’t serious btw

[true fable]

those are all the worst pacts for cast weaps

[alpine sleet]

AP is a pain

[dire steppe]

imagine beating up hades with a single zag cast on poseidon sword

[true fable]

and one dash

[thorn jay]

Huh didn't know CF2 and UC are considered bad for cast. I'll take note although I am already quite used to those

[gaunt fiber]

don't worry about that

I use both for my cast runs

[true fable]

if youre used to it you can keep doing it

[dire steppe]

UC isn’t that bad for cast by itself

[true fable]

i personally dont like doing it but thats me

[thorn jay]

UC feels like free heat to me

I get bad rng on boons anyways

[true fable]

i also hate going slow and going fast is harder with fewer boons

[dire steppe]

UC’s free heat until you have to sell Divine Dash, Rush Delivery, or Merciful End

[true fable]

just roll n sell the special

[thorn jay]

What's Rush Delivery again?

[true fable]

hermes boon

gives you global damage as a % of movement speed

[sly remnant]

I'm with bright

[true fable]

50% at common, 75% at rare, 100% at epic, 125% at heroic

[sly remnant]

Going slow sucks

[thorn jay]

How do you utilize that? Hermes boons and lambent plume and zag blade?

[shy plinth]

Hyper sprint

[true fable]

hyper delivery is broken

just keep dashing and you always have the bonus

[shy plinth]

Here in #h1-high-heat-strategies we call the combination of hyper sprint and rush delivery "zoom boom"

(I just made that up nobody has ever called it that)

[true fable]

its gotten to the point where the way you go fast on bad weapons is run ME and high roll purple hyper delivery

[thorn jay]

Hyper sprint yeah. My fastest run was that actually. I didn't know that it's a popular combo. I just happened to get both by chance

[shy plinth]

Merciful end = fast, story checks out

[true fable]

yeah its probably the best hermes combo you could ask for

[sly remnant]

Hyper deliver is....you know how you always dash anyways? What if doing that thing you do anyways also gave you a crap ton of damage

[true fable]

it just gives every weapon the eris buff

which puts into perspective how hilariously unbalanced eris is

[sly remnant]

^

[thorn jay]

Although that's only good for melee right? Can't imagine bow and rail using that combo

[sly remnant]

Why not

[shy plinth]

Rama bow is basically 100% dash striking

Rail is tricky without delta chamber sometimes

[sly remnant]

*bow is basically 100% dash striking

[thorn jay]

Oh i see. I figured the duration of hyper sprint would be over by the time you charge your bow

[shy plinth]

Lol I suppose so with the others too

You can power shot with dash strikes

[sly remnant]

And you mostly use hyper delivery for special on rail

[shy plinth]

Does hyper delivery boost lucifer orb pulses too

[thorn jay]

How long does the sprint last?

[shy plinth]

That seems fun

[sly remnant]

Lucifer orb pulses are weird

Like you know special speed on hermes? It makes the orbs pulse faster

I'm not sure if hyper delivery affects it

[shy plinth]

Woah

That's... funky

Like it makes sense but I wouldn't have thought about it

[sly remnant]

Lucifer has weird rukes

*rules

[gaunt fiber]

7 boons before furies

[shy plinth]

SEVEN?

[sly remnant]

No cf no ri I assume?

[gaunt fiber]

CF2 as always

[sly remnant]

How the heck

I guess just roll gold laurels

All the time

[gaunt fiber]

my strat atm

My boons will win for me

so I need a lot of them

[mossy zinc]

strategies.

[shy plinth]

Any trials?

[gaunt fiber]

no trial

Jk lol that would be impossible

[shy plinth]

Just straight up 7 boon rooms

Lol phew

I was like damn that's a good seed

[gaunt fiber]

One trial, one shop

Hammer start btw

[shy plinth]

Oh snap

[thorn jay]

What's the heat required before it's considered high heat

[shy plinth]

I'd say this channel generally tends towards 32+

And most of the regulars would say 40+

[true fable]

feel free to ask about any though

hell weve gotten questions about 1 heat

if you want general pact advice id say that this is a good place to get it

[gaunt fiber]

like what's the best 1 heat setup?

[true fable]

yeah

[gaunt fiber]

damn

hope they were told it was HS

[shy plinth]

Personal liability

[thorn jay]

I can't play with HS i keep dying to magma

[vital grove]

Personal liability is the worst 1 heat because it means you're playing a modded game and eff that

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/m4XfZeC

how am I supposed to deal damage with zero pom in special or attack

like

[sly remnant]

Arti doesn't need poms

[gaunt fiber]

one pom

just one

[shy gulch]

you either 1) be retrash or 2) get ME

[gaunt fiber]

I'd like to hear how Retrash deals damage lol

[sly remnant]

Retrash's economy of movement is insane

Especially when you watch his EM4 fights

He would make a good speedrunner if he ever wanted to

[gaunt fiber]

AAAAAAAAAAAH

https://imgur.com/fpsHwaC

Flurry slash

actually destroyed him

Close call tho

[sly remnant]

Nice job astaos

So whats left?

[gaunt fiber]

Nemesis, Achilles and Zag spear

[sly remnant]

Nemesis hard on high heat

[gaunt fiber]

Damn I think it took me 15 tries

including "woops resets"

[sly remnant]

Zag spear is ewewww

[gaunt fiber]

Zag spear is a spear

[sly remnant]

Achilles not bad

[gaunt fiber]

I'll make it work I think

[sly remnant]

Nem is fast just dangerous

[gaunt fiber]

I thought Zagius would be harder so I started with it

It's a fun weapon

Kinda reminds me of Guan Yu actually

Like, you have to know your aspect to actually deal damage, build knowledge and stuff

Really happy that it's not a ME clear too

[sly remnant]

This is why I like speedrunning

[rain sedge]

that's cool, almost done astaos

zag spear is ez, just roll flurry jab

[shy gulch]

if you can do zag sword you should manage with nem

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah! I'll go with lightning strike anyway. Flurry jab will be more dps for sure but it seems doable without it. maybe not with TD3, I'll see

[gaunt fiber]

This is why I like having people tryharding their favorite aspect to bring more knowledge too

[waxen relic]

#h1-victory-boasting message First Try. (Just wanted a break from timing out in RI4 TD3, which i was running the last few days.

[dire steppe]

you have inner strength

first try WTF

i guess beowulf at least has an actual attack

[waxen relic]

I did get a lvl5 dio aid..

[dire steppe]

lv5 dio aid with ap2 poms lol

[waxen relic]

just random poms i think actually

which is the same but cheaper i guess

[dire steppe]

yeah

there’s one context where normal poms on ap2 aren’t identical to pom slices tho

pom slices arent affected by sweet nectar for some reason

[shy plinth]

The nectar dried after being sliced

Charon shouldn't have left it out

[green citrus]

Somebody say something? 🙂

[gaunt fiber]

Exactly!

Glad to have people like you

[green citrus]

Lol, I be doing ridiculous stuff with Arthur at this point. I'm glad someone appreciates

[gaunt fiber]

For Nemesis

Should I go deadly strike for t2 boons

I kinda like heartbreak strike since I already have crit

But boonwise heart rend is easily achieved with deadly strike

I'll get epic heartbreak strike and that's it I guess

[sly remnant]

deadly strike increases the amount you crit by 50%

but nemesis can deviate if arti isn't friendly

your ideal build is deadly strike, heartbreak flourish, something good on cast, hunter dash if good, divine dash if bad

then build into like mark, heart rend

[true fable]

yeah retrash is very efficient

not a whole lot of spam

[gaunt fiber]

I thought about hunter dash yeah

[shy plinth]

Woot got my third weapon cleared on 32

Stubborn defiance isn't so bad now that I've gotten used to it

[sullen minnow]

So question for this lobby

I see people talking about flurry jab always in conjunction with Zag Spear. Is there anything special that makes this so? Would flurry jab be just as suitable for Achilles, say?

Or is it just the hammer that bandaids zag spear into usability?

[vital grove]

Flurry is great on any spear

[sullen minnow]

Ok, figured

[vital grove]

And by any I mean the 2 that can get it lol

[tidal flame]

the reason why it's so associated with zag spear is because neither Hades or GY can get flurry

[sullen minnow]

Copy copy

[true fable]

bandaids

[tidal flame]

and Achilles usually go the cast route

[true fable]

hmm

[sullen minnow]

So Achilles just likes other things even more

[true fable]

nah flurry jab turns zag/achilles into two of the best weapons in the game

its more than a bandaid

[sullen minnow]

Whereas flurry jab is kind of zag’s one trick to play

[true fable]

yep

[sullen minnow]

Yeah, I could see that for Achilles

It seems powerful in its own right

[true fable]

flurry jab is just insane

[sullen minnow]

For sure

[true fable]

achilles is still pretty good without it but having it takes it from A to S tier

[sullen minnow]

For sure. Still a big force multiplier but less of a world-shattering game changer than on zag

[vital grove]

Lightning strike flurry jab is lulz

[sullen minnow]

Yeah thats the first thing I thought of lol

[shy plinth]

I had a nice achilles run with flurry jab today

Then I took serrated point out of habit

Then I died to asterius

😦

[vital grove]

Ah yeah one or the other

[sullen minnow]

Oh? Noted

[vital grove]

And never serrated on FO2

[shy plinth]

I mean you can take both if you wanna get hit by sweeps

It has nothing to do with flurry jab

Just I took a damage hammer that I didn't need and my dash was short

[sullen minnow]

I figured serrated is an easy fix if you can find a hermes +dash?

What am I missing there

endlag?

[vital grove]

You're not guaranteed the dash

[sullen minnow]

You’re not, but I’d put money on those odds over the course of a run. Setting that aside for a second, why else dont you want them together specifically?

[shy plinth]

I should clarify

I took serrated point and died because my dashes were bad

I didn't need it because I already had flurry jab and was crushing

The two hammers don't interact, just short dashes were hard

[sullen minnow]

Mmmmm I see

So there’s not jank between them, they just don’t really compliment

[shy plinth]

Yeah I mean... I'm bad so maybe players who are better at movement will justify point

I really liked it before I started pushing heat but FO+HL+EM3 has cost me runs when I've taken it

[sullen minnow]

Yeah, I’m just starting to break into this channel’s rarefied air, so I’m totally willing to believe that everything I know is wrong.

[gaunt fiber]

Serrated is a really good hammer

The thing is

It's risky and flurry is better on Zag/Achilles

So there's not really a point in taking it over flurry jab

The triple dash strike is indeed a bit laggy and you have to be efficient with your dashes

This is especially true against our friend Asterius

[vital grove]

Serrated is ultra good on Hades

Spin into dash-murder

[sullen minnow]

Yeah I adore serrated’s burst output

I can’t say I have much experience with flurry jab tbh but I nab serrated about every time I see it

[vital grove]

Flurry jab functions similarly except you dash to dodge and hold down attack to melt

[daring hedge]

most of the reason you don't want flurry and serrated at the same time is because serrated messes with flurry's ability to chain dash-strikes into standard flurry combo incredibly fast

so instead you're stopped in your tracks by the serrated triple strike each time

[vital grove]

And you lose like a third of distance and i frame

In a game where muscle memory is so important having a suddenly weird shorter dash sucks

[stiff aurora]

Can you do any better for Em4 on chiron? I'm running DD. https://i.imgur.com/yHsKz4b.png

[gaunt fiber]

+HL -DC

[daring hedge]

depends, does this necessarily need to be EM4 32 at once, specifically?

[stiff aurora]

I already did 32 heat without em4 so yes

[stiff aurora]

dc is really free on chiron though

[daring hedge]

so you want to do EM4 at 32 just because?

[stiff aurora]

yes

[gaunt fiber]

ew

[daring hedge]

i mean you're already avoiding plenty of pact options that would make EM4 itself specifically harder

so i'm not sure what the angle is here

if you already cleared 32

[gaunt fiber]

DC will make your tartarus slow

and enjoy your EM4 skulls with DC2

• TD3 is already hard with EM4, DC will make you lose by timer 100%

[stiff aurora]

tartarus was alright with dc when i did 32 heat without em4