#h1-high-heat-strategies

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trim sigil
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Yep

vital grove
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Ey quick q

gaunt fiber
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maybe the person who modified the wiki mistook an elite room with a miniboss

vital grove
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Distant memory works like bow sniper shot range wise?

gaunt fiber
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Ok, 24 tries. Not gonna bother more

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wiki wrong

trim sigil
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Tho worth noting that you won't get a cue for range like with sniper but it works on anything including ambient effects and casts

vital grove
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Yeah I like it for Hangover Chiron

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I always assumed it was like Sniper Shot which was my first clear back in the day, bow with sniper shot and perfect shot and distant memory

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Or maybe I had Cerberus keepsake. It was a while ago haha.

meager bane
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i finally got to high heat 8 and skellys prize was EXTREMELY disappointing shadeeyeroll

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do they get better or are they all trash?

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i was hoping itd be a powerup or a weapon or something

gaunt fiber
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Last one is amazing

meager bane
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it better be!

rain sedge
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It's all trash

edgy arrow
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be pretty weird if the prizes were powerups if you think about it, given the point of heat is to make the game harder

meager bane
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i guesss

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i dont know what i was expecting. just something better 😂

quartz mantle
edgy arrow
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i could maybe accept weapons, but they’d have to be like, really bad weapons

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like guan yu

quartz mantle
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The game stops giving you gameplay improvements after aspects which is pretty good imo

meager bane
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lol doing the guan yu prophecy was a nightmare

gaunt fiber
edgy arrow
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lol GY actually isn’t that bad, i just wanted to mess with astaos

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certainly better than some aspects

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looking at you, zag sword

meager bane
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i really struggled, i've gotten too used to having like 250+ hp by the end

quartz mantle
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GY teaches you how to fight Dad without just face tanking damage

edgy arrow
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yeah

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and arthur teaches you to facetank

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if you learn them both, you have ultimate power

quartz mantle
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Although I've been trying some LC4 Mirrorless runs to try and get better at the game with Rama and I think I've been doing pretty good

mossy zinc
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Just dual-wield the Frost Fair Blade and Excalibur. squirtnya

meager bane
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yeah idk what i would do at hades fight without all my DDs and a full health bar. i start getting panicky if i go down to 2 DDs

quartz mantle
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How are you gonna hold Excalibur with 1 hand

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that thing is chonky

mossy zinc
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Like you just said, with 1 hand. squirtnya

sly remnant
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just be artoria

mossy zinc
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If you do 32+ mirrorless, you can submit it to the leaderboard.

gaunt fiber
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if Zag was not that dumb, he could wield GY as an actual guandao

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but yeah

mossy zinc
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You take that back about Zagreus.

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Rude.

quartz mantle
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To be honest mirrorless runs are just way more fun than regular runs

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Like imagine having 3 whole lives

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plus more from wells and Patrocoly

edgy arrow
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i definitely wanna do more mirrorless stuff for sure

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problem is i mostly play beo, which is definitely not the best choice for that

gaunt fiber
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Why don't you try the RI4 AP2 FO1 thunder flourish GY too?

edgy arrow
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but i’m too stubborn to switch weapons

quartz mantle
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My first 16 heat run was a first try mirrlorless with Nemesis lmao

edgy arrow
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lol there’s no way i can do GY at RI4, even if i use a real build

gaunt fiber
gaunt fiber
edgy arrow
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i’m not underestimating GY, i’m correctly estimating my ability to yeet myself while wielding it

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you know what? sure

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i’ll give it a try

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i should be asleep rn but yolo

gaunt fiber
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pog

edgy arrow
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do i have to do pos attack as well

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wait lol i prolly won’t make it out of tartarus nvm

gaunt fiber
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No don't

mossy zinc
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Yes, do.

edgy arrow
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so uh

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so far i’ve been forced into lightning strike and drunken flourish

mossy zinc
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Optimal. Can't think of a better Guan Yu build.

gaunt fiber
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litghtning strike is really good

edgy arrow
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is it?

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for like spins i guess?

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i hope you’re right

gaunt fiber
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Yeah, it's great aoe and damage with jolted

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it's decent with spin but it's a good room clear if you can attack here and there

edgy arrow
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huh massive spin is actually a pretty good ap2 hammer

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can’t lose

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well i made it out of tartarus so as far as i’m concerned this is already a win

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lmao i sold drunken flourish and then got it back again

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ap2 great pact

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a tragedy in three parts:

mossy isle
gaunt fiber
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oh

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it's a nice AP2

edgy arrow
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died to heroes

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that definitely went further than i expected

gaunt fiber
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that's good

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gotta try more

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Proxy you can understand me, we're the same

edgy arrow
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yeah i’m on my second run, got forced into deadly flourish lmao

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zeus doesn’t like this challenge apparently

gaunt fiber
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Tartarus Zeus trials are something with mirrorless GY

edgy arrow
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for sure lol

gaunt fiber
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Well I can't share it

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But I got my 40 heat win with Demeter

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Fists are a lot of fun

mossy zinc
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Can't share it?

gaunt fiber
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Having issues with imgur squirtmeh

spring kettle
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I like how fists are so fast paced

gaunt fiber
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I died like 4 times at heroes/asterius

spring kettle
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Fists and sword are my best weapons, since I’ve cleared my personal highest heat on both of them

gaunt fiber
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Then I got a bit less clowny

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Explosive upper with Heartbreak flourish is incredible

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Alecto really liked it too

dire steppe
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what was your packed of punishment setup

gaunt fiber
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HL5 LC 4 CF3 JS1 EM3 UC BP2 MM DC1 FO2 TD3

dire steppe
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wow cf3

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$330 boons pepega

edgy arrow
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ugh died to champions again

gaunt fiber
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sorry

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CF2

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lol

edgy arrow
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i feel like this is making me better at the game

gaunt fiber
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Nice

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Kinetic launcher was fun but less than explosive upper

dire steppe
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oh, it’s ME

gaunt fiber
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oof

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ME so it does not count right

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I hear you

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Next one is lambent plume Zagphon

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I just lost vs heroes with a Second wind build, I need 100% dodge to win

gaunt fiber
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5 sacked lmao

alpine sleet
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what does sacked mean?

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sorry for asking stupid questions

gaunt fiber
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I had to clear all 5 tunnels to get the sack in styx

alpine sleet
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o

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rip

sullen minnow
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#-sacked relates to how many tunnels it takes to find a sack, between two and five

alpine sleet
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yuh #

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ty

sullen minnow
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I got 5 sacked first time I tried 3x tight deadline and died on a great run for it

alpine sleet
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🧂

rain sedge
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now imagine that, but 62 heat, and you would've been the world record holder

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baj.jpg

alpine sleet
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o:

sullen minnow
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Oooooooof_deep_fried_for_10_hours.mp3

sly remnant
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just make TD3 turn off sac mechanic

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its literally the simplest change

rain sedge
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it's just 3 heat, just turn it off lol

sullen minnow
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Is there even a TD4

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I’m usually too scared to put it above 2

sly remnant
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nah TD3 the limit

gaunt fiber
sly remnant
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p sure he's meme'ing

gaunt fiber
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I mean

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He no longer has the "Hades" role

solemn pulsar
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how to get role

waxen relic
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#bot-commands

solemn pulsar
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yessss

true fable
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if i know schad they did it to make their name look cool

rain sedge
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blue is cooler than green indeed

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oh no, bright has figured me out

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looking cool is my main goal in life

true fable
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a noble goal

gaunt fiber
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But Schad randomly explodes sometimes

true fable
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fair

tidal flame
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Imagine not having Yellow name

lime moss
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What's the highest "necessary" heat needed to get the best achievement, if any?

sly remnant
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16 i believe

true fable
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32 right

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or are we not counting that one

rain sedge
waxen relic
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Steam Achievements go to 16, ingame up to 32

lime moss
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If you crank up the heat on everything, it's 32?

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Or is that the community standard?

waxen relic
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Max Heat is 64 with hellmode

lime moss
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Has anyone succesfully done a 64 heat or is it too bs?

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Stuff like underworld customs just already sounds like a massive pain, enough for me to not turn it on in my normal runs

waxen relic
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WR is 60 by Tailesque.

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Whether 64 gets cleared unseeded is anyones guess i think

spring kettle
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Yep, no SD, no healing, no choice of boons, it’s going to be difficult

shy plinth
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And the hardest part is at the very end

true fable
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the hardest part is in tartarus and elysium

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when you get offered a hammer

shy plinth
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Lol fair

true fable
shy plinth
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Let me rephrase, the most stressful part is at the very end

true fable
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my best rama run died to explosive shot

rain sedge
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didnt king clear 62 without losing DD?

spring kettle
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Pierced butterfly but on max heat

true fable
rain sedge
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60 my bad

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also bright, watching you stream yesterday made me realise how much worse I am than people in this channel

spring kettle
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The Rama specific hammer is pretty bad

rain sedge
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I started gaslighting myself doubting if I really did 50 lol

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very cool gameplay yesterday mr strimer

gaunt fiber
lime moss
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faQ bot

true fable
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why

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my rama gameplay yesterday was quite bad

lime moss
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I hate Heightened Security

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Such a bait

true fable
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i just reset until i get enough free rooms to submit something to the speedrun.com boards

waxen relic
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HS is just one Heat don't take it - Amir

lime moss
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One spike trap eats a DD

waxen relic
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Use SD shadeohboy

true fable
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if youre not running SDs yet you definitely dont need to take HS lol

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unless you want the practice

lime moss
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What's SD again

waxen relic
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Stubborn Defiance, the other Mirror Perk of Death Defiance

gaunt fiber
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Stubborn

waxen relic
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okay

lime moss
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I ignored stubborn defiance

cursive valley
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Question about having Athena DD's with stub D. Which one is lost first?

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The death defiance or the stubborn defiance?

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Well, I died. I have my answer :p

lime moss
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I don't need a res per chamber

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Doesn't sound like that good a deal

dire steppe
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my phone and computer are both grayscale so who cares about name colors

waxen relic
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not yet. Down the line you get better at bosses and normal Chambers get worse

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and you don't have healing

dire steppe
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also you die once to each of the first 3 bosses so it evens out anyway

shy plinth
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Stubborn defiance is used at high heat with lasting consequences 4 as a means of healing

lime moss
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ok but how much mileage are you going to get with just 30% healing?

dire steppe
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lots

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30% per chamber

gaunt fiber
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Even GY is fine with stubborn

lime moss
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But you have to die first to get this healing

gaunt fiber
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Yes

dire steppe
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Yeah

lime moss
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So you're getting hit on purpose?

gaunt fiber
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Nope

dire steppe
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Yes

gaunt fiber
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You try to get your hp as high as possible

dire steppe
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Or traps after end of chamber in asphodel and elysium

gaunt fiber
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But when it's not possible anymore (below 30%, or 40% with touch or styx or 80% with touch of styx dark), you suicide to heal

lime moss
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There's nothing like that in styx?

gaunt fiber
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Lava traps or at the end of a room

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There's poison

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But you have to know when it's the last wave of enemies

cursive valley
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Dang! I died to EM3 Theseus!

alpine sleet
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Ripp

sly remnant
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narrator voice "little did Not Dackid know that it would be the first of many deaths to the vaunted heroes of elysium"

alpine sleet
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Hes pretty hard esp with FO

cursive valley
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It was also the last hit too :(

alpine sleet
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Rippp

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Thats really unfortunate

dire steppe
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we the people want FO3

alpine sleet
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Welp, you'll get em next time

cursive valley
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It is okay. That is my first 32 heat run.

sly remnant
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we the people DO NOT WANT FO3

alpine sleet
honest kernel
alpine sleet
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Imagine

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The pain

honest kernel
true fable
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i think

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my favorite thing about high heat

dire steppe
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fo3 em3 on talos

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have fun

true fable
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is the super cool voice lines asterius says when he kills you

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that you just never hear when you speedrun

dire steppe
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unshakabale mettle new speedrun meta so you can face tank

tidal flame
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Asterius miniboss is my bane on high heat

lime moss
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laughs in gun

sly remnant
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the room is too effin small

true fable
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you face tank anyway

tidal flame
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And the cow is lightspeed

true fable
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for the most part

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when speedrunning

tidal flame
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Heat seeking missile

true fable
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yeah asterius miniboss ends most of my runs

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i had 120 max HP walking into asterius mini on 50 heat rama

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one swing was an SD LOL

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felt like playing GY again

tidal flame
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His rush does 72 lol

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2 rushes and you are done

sly remnant
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i'll be honest they should really fix the loop AI

gaunt fiber
tidal flame
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Or lessen the duration

true fable
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its absurd but also i realized pretty easy to avoid

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idk

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it felt fine when i was playing rama

gaunt fiber
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Honestly that charge damage does not matter

true fable
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probably would feel a lot worse on fists lol

gaunt fiber
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It's usually more hp than I have

sly remnant
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that charge is fine when its not looping

gaunt fiber
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Yeah it can get really frustrating

sly remnant
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when he loops its a complete guess

gaunt fiber
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When you can't acorn it or lesser call

tidal flame
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Just git gud

true fable
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who is gus

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and where can i find them

gaunt fiber
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Get to gus, the truth will be unveiled

dire steppe
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Acorn should just work on asterius miniboss

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Straight up

sly remnant
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i mean

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it doesn't change the fact that the difference in difficulty between the two minibosses

tidal flame
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Gus will clear 64

sly remnant
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can decide runs

tidal flame
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Mark me words

gaunt fiber
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Encountering Asterius mini-boss should mean that he's resting and can't fight you at the end of Elysium

sly remnant
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no miniboss has as much disparity as elysium miniboss

dire steppe
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butterfly ball is the easiest miniboss (room) in the game imo

tidal flame
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It is

sly remnant
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nah doomstone easier imo

dire steppe
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true doom stone is too

tidal flame
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Doomstone wastes my companion charge though

dire steppe
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the bombers are sometimes kinda hard depending on weapon

tidal flame
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It's too tanky

dire steppe
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antosing the sneak to instakill it is so satisfying tho

sly remnant
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bombers take more time than any of the others which is the part i hate

dire steppe
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bombers is like a 10 second fight on rama at least

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but on fists..

sly remnant
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MM makes the fight significantly longer

dire steppe
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yeah

true fable
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i hit all 4 bombers with meg the other day

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felt like a legend

dire steppe
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DC0 or DC2

true fable
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DC0 i think

dire steppe
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megging things with dc2 is insane skill

true fable
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it was during a speedrun

lime moss
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Stupid question, how do you even aim meg's assist

dire steppe
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how do you meg the witches circle with DC anyway

tidal flame
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Speedrun with MM

true fable
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32 heat

tidal flame
dire steppe
tidal flame
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Someone post it

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I'm lazy

lime moss
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Too lazy to post the guide but not lazy enough to reply to it

true fable
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or perpendicular centered on zag if there are no enemies

lime moss
true fable
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i can post it

tidal flame
gaunt fiber
sly remnant
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Iovk-sbe8&ab_channel=AustinT

YouTube
Austin T
The Meg Guide: How to effectively use your Meg Summons!

-----PLEASE READ------

We did it everyone, we finally got there, the meg guide is out!

You can find me live over at https://twitch.tv/satanisachillguy

Huge Shoutouts to ghost! for all the amazing editing work he did on the video! You can find him here:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/RevGhostMusic
Twitch: https://twitch.tv/ghostyboyy97

Very sp...

â–¶ Play video
true fable
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ok

lime moss
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yoda summon when

true fable
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also shameless plug

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i have highlighted a portion on my channel for the 4 witch meg

dire steppe
true fable
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less relevant for DC2

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but its good up until you add that

tidal flame
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Post it here no balls

true fable
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im gonna get moderated

gaunt fiber
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Lmao

true fable
tidal flame
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I am the mod

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Dew it

true fable
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DOUBT

sly remnant
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meg normally targets the closest enemy if you are dealing with DC

gaunt fiber
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Fox getting erased too

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Good bye

tidal flame
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Real talk you can post it because it's relevant

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I did it before and the mods saw it

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And they were fine with it

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As long as it's relevant though

gaunt fiber
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He's right

tidal flame
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Which it is here

gaunt fiber
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Jere and Gus

tidal flame
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Leave me alone

true fable
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are you sure?

tidal flame
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I'm on phone lol

gaunt fiber
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Your turn to bleed

true fable
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i dont wanna get banne for self promo-ing in a non-self promo channel

spring kettle
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I think meg is one of the easier ones to aim, but you do have to be careful if you have DC on

tidal flame
true fable
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maybe i'll just put it in self-promos

tidal flame
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👀

clever otter
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you definitely wont get banned for that, but i think its fine since its topical and also a short clip, right?

gaunt fiber
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Sure, Jere and Gus

tidal flame
gaunt fiber
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That's a decent team

tidal flame
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Lmao

true fable
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its like a short 5 minute guide

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i was pretty lazy with clipping it lol

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but its up in self promos if anyone is interested in learning

gaunt fiber
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STOP TALKING AND POST IT

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please.

true fable
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ITS ALREADY UP

tidal flame
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It's in self promo

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Dude is an upright citizen

gaunt fiber
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No balls confirmed

true fable
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mods

gaunt fiber
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Or that yeah

true fable
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get him

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bag em and tag em

vital grove
# honest kernel *I do*

I want FO4, not 3. Just put ob thunder flourish with static, sit behind my shield and win Hades

tidal flame
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Grab em by the nametag

gaunt fiber
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I'll fight until my last breath

true fable
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astaos

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you only have 50% max HP

tidal flame
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I'll ban Astaos

true fable
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that wont be very long

tidal flame
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Lmao

gaunt fiber
tidal flame
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Proxy, sic him

true fable
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"i'll fight until my last breath" dies in 2 hits

sly remnant
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LMFAO

gaunt fiber
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Yeah that's about it ngl

tidal flame
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Technically true still

gaunt fiber
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Thanks Fox

tidal flame
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No problem bot

gaunt fiber
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Beep boop

vital grove
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Hey

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How you get cool blue name

tidal flame
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No

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Blue name is Transistor role I think

vital grove
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Ahh

tidal flame
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You need to give up Hades role though

vital grove
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Yeah I'm not betraying the Lord of the Dead

tidal flame
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Because of role priority

vital grove
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He can hold a grudge

dire steppe
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Transistor is a very blue game

gaunt fiber
spring kettle
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And hades is green? I guess there’s a lot of green in Tartarus and elysium

vital grove
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Hades should be red

tidal flame
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Bastion is Brown for some reasons

dire steppe
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Bastion is a very brown game tho

tidal flame
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I don't think the color is correlated with the games

vital grove
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But we all know Dusa is the head moderator here

dire steppe
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The whole map is

tidal flame
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Hmm

vital grove
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And Dusa is green so

dire steppe
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And the buildings

tidal flame
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Bastion is quite green tbh

gaunt fiber
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Urns green

tidal flame
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GY is green

gaunt fiber
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I was gonna say that

rain sedge
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Cool blue name here

tidal flame
true fable
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what color name do i want

vital grove
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Transistor channel is over there dude

rain sedge
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Transistor is the best SGG game btw

true fable
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i like the red name from the SR server

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hmmm

dire steppe
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My brother said terminal march sounds like traditional korean music according to his friends who do that

gaunt fiber
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But people would be like "dude you're obsessed with that aspect'

true fable
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maybe i just turn on pyre

tidal flame
true fable
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even though its the only one i havent played?

dire steppe
rain sedge
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Pyre is bottom of the SGG game list

tidal flame
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Oof

gaunt fiber
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Topic

rain sedge
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No hate it's still cool but

gaunt fiber
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Is

true fable
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how does this look

gaunt fiber
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Drifting

true fable
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ew

gaunt fiber
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Af

dire steppe
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the movement in every other SGG game feels clunky compared to hades

vital grove
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I only played Bastion other than Hades

rain sedge
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It's competing with some ultrapog game

true fable
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maybe it's time for me to go full white name

tidal flame
dire steppe
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i feel like i’m actually in control of my character in Hades, not so much in bastion

vital grove
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And WHILE Bastion is a really good game it's not in the same league as Hades

true fable
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poggers

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the circle of life

rain sedge
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Tier list goes

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Transistor, Hades, bastion, pyre

true fable
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ok there we go

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very cool white name

vital grove
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Very Demeter

tidal flame
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After 24.5k messages on the server, @true fable finally figure where he belongs.

true fable
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is it really 24.5k

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LMAO

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goodbye

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i am leaving forever

dire steppe
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Transistors gameplay i didn’t like as much even as bastion, i just liked the art and music more tbh

gaunt fiber
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Goobye

tidal flame
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I'm at 32k I think

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The amount of time I wasted here lmao

dire steppe
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Some of the limiters feel more like annoying than a challenge

true fable
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nyaanyaa has 41k

dire steppe
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Like the one where you can’t swap functions without oever loading

gaunt fiber
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So you can just stalk people like that

tidal flame
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Is there a way to check who has the most?

rain sedge
dire steppe
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use desktop client

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and search from: Schad

rain sedge
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9.9k

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oh no

tidal flame
rain sedge
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oooohhh noooooo why this highlights my lack of life

cursive valley
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Barely beat EM3

dire steppe
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how many is me i’m on phonebile

gaunt fiber
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Hey it's decent for the time

tidal flame
tidal flame
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Good bot

gaunt fiber
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Wat

tidal flame
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Wat

rain sedge
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I really should stop spending time here

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and get a life

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  • checks outside * oh wait, it's still lockdown
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xD

gaunt fiber
#

Sure, Jere Gus and Wat are starting a quest

tidal flame
#

Bad bot

vital grove
#

Desktop discord?

tidal flame
vital grove
#

Wow that's commitment

gaunt fiber
#

I'm not good or bad

tidal flame
#

Just search for people name on mobile

#

Not stalky at all

gaunt fiber
#

speaking of message

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
#

lemme show you something

rain sedge
#

sometimes when people give consistently smart-ass statements, I search for their name on victory boasting and check their heat

gaunt fiber
#

This was before the fall

rain sedge
#

fact: they're always the ones with low heat

tidal flame
#

Baby Astaos

rain sedge
#

The weapon does not seem to be that much fun

#

ping us your aspect summary again astaos

shy gulch
#

The weapon does not seem to be that much fun

#

famous last words

gaunt fiber
#

^

#

I think I was not into spear then GY happened

rain sedge
#

I unlocked it just to faster suicide for story progression

#

real

tidal flame
#

Baby Fox

gaunt fiber
#

So cute

tidal flame
#

Can we start calling spear lance though

#

Lance sounds cooler ngl

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah I like the word too

#

But game says spear

alpine sleet
#

but lance

#

it's a high heats regulars inside joke

rain sedge
#

can you check my first message?

#

is that a thing?

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah

tidal flame
#

Search your name and look for oldest

cursive valley
#

I did it!!!

#

32 heat beaten!!

gaunt fiber
#

Congrats boyo

#

Enjoy the last one

sly remnant
#

grats !

alpine sleet
#

grats

#

pump it up to 60 to celebrate as a joke and see how far you go

rain sedge
#

ping us the victory screen, grats

cursive valley
#

Hahahahahahah.... no

#

Too late, but I can send the security log

gaunt fiber
#

What

tidal flame
#

63 or no balls

gaunt fiber
#

You should screen your first high heat clears

#

Then laugh at your pacts later

cursive valley
#

Should and did are two different things :p

tidal flame
#

What's your first 32?

rain sedge
#

mine was eris

#

obviously

vital grove
#

Mine was Baj shield

tidal flame
#

Fists :3

cursive valley
#

Hard Labor 5
Lasting Consequences 4
Extreme Measures 3
Underworld Customs
Middle Management
Benefits Package 2
Forced Overtime 1
Tight Deadline 2
Damage Control 1
Heightened Security

#

Oh that, I did it with Chiron Bow

alpine sleet
#

damn

#

nice

tidal flame
#

My first ever message on the server

gaunt prairie
#

Fellas

#

I’m tryna clear heat 32

alpine sleet
#

I need to try LC4

#

with stubborn

gaunt prairie
#

I’m thinking the rail is the move

alpine sleet
#

I'm too stubborn

gaunt prairie
#

I tried shield and got clapped

alpine sleet
#

to not use dd

rain sedge
cursive valley
#

Stubborn defiance is incredibly clutch

alpine sleet
#

yea

vital grove
#

TD3 Eris is very easy 32 run

gaunt prairie
#

Oh ima look

rain sedge
#

my first 32 clear uses pretty much optimal pact setup

vital grove
#

If you're good with that

rain sedge
#

I see that I got extra DD from athena but didn't know about that so did a pass on it

#

and HL0, interesting

cursive valley
#

You only get extra DD if you die before you collect it

rain sedge
#

so far looks like a pretty average 32 run

rain sedge
alpine sleet
#

oh

#

so if u have stubborn

#

if u die

#

and then collect athena dd

#

u get 2 sd?

cursive valley
#

No, you get 1 DD alongside the sd

#

The nice thing is stubborn always procs first in future rooms

alpine sleet
#

oh damn

vital grove
#

My first 32 with Zeus was... Lemme see

alpine sleet
#

mmm

#

I might try that

#

I'm stuck on 32 lmao

#

probably because school is also dropkicking me in the balls

vital grove
#

Hl 1, lc1, CF2 and everything else was standard except Td2, AP1, DC2

cursive valley
#

I think I'm gonna chill at 27 heat for now.

vital grove
#

And I think I did a Rama RI1 AP2 lmao

#

Ah that was silly.

cursive valley
#

EM 3 was brutal. I was so close to dying to Theseus at the end again

rain sedge
#

lv9 drunken flourish, lv5 attack

#

you got poms for days

alpine sleet
#

naw all my homies use mom blossom. All my homies use mom blossom

gaunt fiber
#

how is your fist 40 @rain sedge

true fable
#

my first 32 was chaos shield

#

because i am bad playor

cursive valley
gaunt fiber
#

Mine was Eris too

tidal flame
#

Fist 32 heat 1st clear master race 😎

#

Also, what is this?

gaunt fiber
#

it's a sad peepo

rain sedge
#

then the 50 was... a huge struggle

dire steppe
#

my first 32 was achilles lol

true fable
#

i think he was asking how the fist clear for 40 heat is going

rain sedge
#

o h

#

I am still at "work" so it's paused

cursive valley
#

My first attempt was hades with a doom attack, but that really wasn't working out

rain sedge
#

I'm taking it casually, I'm no bright

gaunt fiber
#

oh god

#

my first 32 pact is CP2

#

TD1 lmao

cursive valley
#

Wow, Guan Yu. I am impressed!

gaunt fiber
#

I could have TD3

tidal flame
#

that pact looks cursed af lmao

gaunt fiber
#

that was good old times

#

HL4 because 100% is too much but 80 is ok

dire steppe
#

Do ME runs count for heat

gaunt fiber
gaunt fiber
cursive valley
#

Well, no need to flaunt your stuff :p

gaunt fiber
#

Not gonna do

#

except

#

if you need a 40 heat pact setup

sly remnant
#

my first 32 was dem

tidal flame
#

dem who?

gaunt fiber
#

Jere, Gus, Sure, Wat and Dem

shy plinth
#

This is the ideal 40 heat pact right

true fable
#

LOL

#

i did the heat randomizer yesterday for a chat challenge and ended up doing a zeus shield mirrorless run

#

made it to T&A before timing out

shy plinth
#

Mirrorless zeus shield yikes

dire steppe
#

has TD3 RI4 EM4 ever been done

#

just 24 heat

shy plinth
#

Probably not

dire steppe
#

When adding one point of RI is harder than adding HL5 FO2 AP2 DC2 CF2 JS3 MM UC LC4 BP2

#

Heat is balanced guys

gaunt fiber
#

@dire steppe

#

No ME

dire steppe
#

you are now valid

#

unless you sold me

gaunt fiber
#

Ares is not even in my pool

#

I really like durnked strike

#

And I will not correct this sentence because it's funny

shy plinth
#

Those are some high quality duos

gaunt fiber
#

I had to sell actual boons to keep them

#

But they're pretty

shy plinth
#

Sounds like you took a...

sullen minnow
#

Dio or Zeus for fists

shy plinth
#

Calculated risk

gaunt fiber
#

HA

sullen minnow
#

Lol

gaunt fiber
#

Nice one actually

shy plinth
sullen minnow
#

Fist attack I should say

gaunt fiber
#

No idea

#

Help! @mossy zinc

sullen minnow
#

I feel like that should be the answer too but every time I try to build Zeus into fists it always feels like my damage is running out of steam around the time I hit Elysium failbag

#

Like I wonder if built up Zeus is actually comparable to a mature, say, dio+ares build with curse of nausea and impending doom going around the clock

mossy zinc
#

Either one works.

gaunt fiber
#

while you here

#

Should I go for a cast build with Talos?

mossy zinc
#

Something more like a hybrid build, but just roll with what you get.

gaunt fiber
#

I guess but idk about the starting point

#

A good attack I guess?

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

I see AphroditeSticker

shy plinth
#

I usually end up scaling damage on fists with demeter aspect Artemis special or merciful end

#

Could go for heart rend tho

gaunt fiber
#

gonna be curse of longing I think

#

welp

#

Asterius got me. Got him as a mini boss 6 times in a row

dire steppe
#

when you have no choice but to take miniboss in elysium it’s just like

#

guess it’s a coin flip

#

whether i instantly die

gaunt fiber
#

you enter

#

You see something shiny

shy plinth
#

The load screen duration increases dread

#

Asterius always feels like a longer load

sullen minnow
#

now buffering whoopass_can_cracking_open_bass_boosted_XXL.m4a

gaunt prairie
#

Fellas

#

Why is Demeter recommended over talos for high heat

gaunt fiber
#

I just tried both

#

And I can say that Demeter always has a reliable way to deal damage

#

even if your attack is falling off

#

But I know close to nothing about fists

stiff aurora
#

qq I died to timer with hades at 1/3rd hp 2nd phase because aphro/demeter with only common artic blast as extra damage is too low to kill him in two minutes apperently

#

I could have kept decay from elysium but I would have had to sell +3 dashes

sly remnant
#

Demeter is just so self-sufficient is the main reason. Boons are nice but you can make it on your own

stiff aurora
#

yeah, I would have been perfectly fine without the timer damage

gaunt prairie
#

Talos gives a percent damage boost against targeted foes tho right

stiff aurora
honest kernel
#

Cast and attack only

#

Yeah

gaunt prairie
#

Ah well attack is what’s most important

#

Iono if it’s just me but

#

As a devout fist lover Gilgamesh was a let down

#

Seems kinda buns

sly remnant
#

If casts were reliable at high heat talos would be better

#

But casts are reliant on boons and high heat enjoys taking boons away from you

stiff aurora
#

btw just for the sake of curisity, you switch chain shot/piericng volley on chiron, right?

sly remnant
#

To be clear talos is fine up thru 40 heat

alpine sleet
#

Wjat should I build on gilga

#

Drunk man?

timid wagon
#

would i be allowed to post my 32 heat run here so that ppl cna tlel me what i need to work on

#

it is a twitch highlight so like it does have commentary but can just mute if my voice gets annoying lmao

#

if i cant thats fine im just curious about what good players think

#

mention me if u know the answer cuz im actually about to go sleep lmao i chose the wrong time to ask this but i can look at the response if it's mentioning me thxx and sorryyyy

austere wave
#

Ive done a talos+cold embrace run before and it was really fun

austere wave
alpine sleet
#

o

#

o damn

shy plinth
#

Yeah merciful end is the way to go on that weapon, it's very strong but takes a lot of buildup

alpine sleet
#

ah

#

welp looks like I'm going to start using the thing that's the green version of pride

shy plinth
#

Legacy

alpine sleet
#

yea

halcyon flame
#

is em4 and middle management a good 8 heat setup? not in terms of difficulty, just how fun it is

rain sedge
#

is there even a good hammer for hera 40?

shy plinth
#

EM4 is 10 heat by itself

halcyon flame
#

wait it's 10 heat??

honest kernel
#

Only 10

#

Yeah

shy plinth
#

1+2+3+4

halcyon flame
#

boutta grind out em4 for that titan blood

shy plinth
#

I mean there's no real benefit to boosting the heat above the bounty unless you really want to push yourself

#

The game locks your rewards at the lowest uncleared heat

halcyon flame
#

i mean i could just do 8 heat since my highest so far is 7 and i'm really doing this for the bounties but that's boring in of itself

shy plinth
#

EM4 is a big jump

#

Fight is hard

wintry berry
#

You can also do 20 heat runs until you run out of bounties

halcyon flame
#

hard = fun

true fable
#

sure

#

thats what retrash did

halcyon flame
#

such as the nature of... high difficulty games in general

true fable
#

and look at em now

shy plinth
#

Retrash is an outlier by most definitions lol

true fable
#

otherwise you'll be hardstuck 50 heat like me

#

if you dont practice EM4 you'll never be able to do EM4

shy plinth
#

Sure, I just wouldn't recommend it to someone that still needs more titan blood

#

Titan bloods are earned by clears and losing at the end of a run will both deny you the titan blood from the clear and the titan blood from the next bounty level up

#

And EM4 is very good at helping you lose at the end of a run

halcyon flame
#

i'll just use fists + plume like usual

shy plinth
#

Give it a shot, just be aware that it's hard

halcyon flame
#

surely it can't be that bad

shy plinth
#

First time I went in to it with acorn and full DDs and died

#

But I'm bad so maybe you'll fare better

halcyon flame
#

i probably wouldn't bring the acorn to a 3-phase fight where now he spawns minibosses

shy plinth
#

Yeah I should've used spearpoint

rain sedge
#

I mean EM4 just by itself is a walk in a park

halcyon flame
#

stubborn roots could be helpful for once here

true fable
#

it's pretty bad for someone who hasnt done it before

shy plinth
#

Yeah like again perspective is relevant

true fable
#

but i think it's doable

shy plinth
#

It is

true fable
#

for my first 10 heat i think i just did some combination of EMs and TDs

#

for first 16 actually

shy plinth
#

Yep

halcyon flame
#

that spear throw could be problematic if i'm going fists

rain sedge
#

just do it and tell us

true fable
#

then again i go slightly fast

halcyon flame
#

i'll just learn to dodge it after the first 3 tries times

rain sedge
#

if you get it, good

#

if not, try again

#

not much else to say

halcyon flame
#

i might try going td2 because why not, my recent runs have been pretty short apparently

#

definitely not td3

shy plinth
#

I think the important thing is to hit EM3 as quickly as possible to get used to it

#

And then either MM or BP1 and then the other one

#

TD to fill in the gaps

halcyon flame
#

i actually haven't tried many of the other heat modifiers yet

spring kettle
#

LC1 is basically free

halcyon flame
#

benefits packaege seems fun but i'm not much in the mood of dealing with "speedy" flame wheels

shy plinth
#

You will need at least EM3, BP1, and MM as you ramp up heat so getting used to them early makes them feel pretty free

spring kettle
#

It’s also a good idea to get used to FO

shy plinth
#

Whereas getting used to them later takes much longer

halcyon flame
#

i already know how to deal with em3 but that aoe is annoying

#

i've tried middle management and yeah i could go for it again

#

does mm affect the em4 fight?

true fable
#

no

#

but they get his darkness ability

halcyon flame
#

vanishing giant soul catcher

true fable
#

yup

rain sedge
#

ruined a literally perfect hera run to mistargetting by autotargetting

#

wtf

shy plinth
#

This is how I did my first 16 heat

halcyon flame
#

i should probably learn not to rely on autotargetting

#

but somehow it feels weird aiming the bow when i've played gungeon for what, like 120+ hours

rain sedge
#

most of the people here jump from ~8 heat, to 16, to 32

shy plinth
#

Yeah I've noticed that

#

I went one at a time until I hit 20 on all weapons

halcyon flame
#

that just sounds like a bad idea

#

if you just jump heats and don't work your way up slowly you can really miss out on upgrades that can seriously help you in clearing heats

spring kettle
#

But what if my aspect’s already legendary?

shy gulch
#

i went my way up to 20 for like about half the weapons, until i got all the titans blood i needed

#

then i just jumped

#

lmao

spring kettle
#

But I go up heats one by one, like you

shy plinth
#

There are also quite a few players in here who are freakishly talented

#

I am not one of them

#

The natural gaming gods in here are able to make that jump to 32 and then clear 40s+

main pelican
#

Tbf I cleared 32 pretty easily than just hard stagnated

halcyon flame
#

how much titan blood do you actually need to max out all the aspects?

shy plinth
#

306

true fable
#

im hardstuck 50 ive just played a lot

#

i dont think i could do 56 or anything like that

#

i could probably do 52/53 if i focused on it a bit more but speedrunning is fun

shy gulch
#

^same

#

i want to eventually push my hestia heat but rn im busy being bad at going fast

rain sedge
#

I'm hardstuck at 50 too

#

I could do 53 but then

#

it'll bring minimal joy in my life for a lot of pain

#

and 53 feels so low in this channel anyway

halcyon flame
#

meanwhile the wr is apparently just 60

rain sedge
#

"just 60"

#

xD

spring kettle
#

Tail is trying his best to increase it to 62

#

And apparently people are trying to route for max heat but it’s harder than it sounds

shy gulch
#

baj too

edgy arrow
#

single dash rama gives me a headache just thinking about it

#

but i’m sure Tail with manage lol

alpine sleet
#

If smt is routed and can be done

#

It can technically

#

Be unrouted

#

And done

#

Right?

spring kettle
#

Would Gilgamesh be worse? It gives you the extra dashes from the start

alpine sleet
#

Just very unlikely

edgy arrow
#

yeah i remember when Kane routed max heat pre 1.0 he said it took like a couple of weeks of solid grinding

#

and it’s harder now

edgy arrow
spring kettle
#

Yeah, no built in aoe like Rama

edgy arrow
#

good luck getting ME with AP2, and that doesn’t leave poor ol’ gilg in a good place

spring kettle
#

And the maim takes like 4 seconds to activate damage, too slow

shy gulch
#

max heat with a melee, non shield weapon

#

sounds like torture

edgy arrow
#

that’s true as well

#

i shudder to this of EM4 maxy on even demeter

rain sedge
#

this hera run is just so much fun

#

why play beo if you can play hera

edgy arrow
#

and that’s ignoring all the rest of the pacts lol

edgy arrow
shy gulch
#

because hera is jsut boneless beo

rain sedge
#

|boneless"?

edgy arrow
#

i had a fantastic hera run last night, then i played literally the worst hades fight of my life

#

i still don’t know what happened

#

pretty sure i took every hit possible

#

i agree; hera is boneless beo

spring kettle
#

I feel like I’m better at building for bosses and not room clears

halcyon flame
#

how can that happen when you're using a bow

edgy arrow
#

i’ve got no idea what that means, but i agree

edgy arrow
spring kettle
#

If you grab charged shot the shield is basically a bow

halcyon flame
#

beo with charged shot and sudden rush is literally just hera but with a block

#

and aoe

edgy arrow
#

also it’s cooler and everyone likes it more

#

... did i say that out loud

shy gulch
#

beo with charged shot is just better beo which is just better hera

#

my logic is flawless

edgy arrow
#

there are zero flaws

halcyon flame
#

hera but with no dash-strike 😔

#

then again we have sudden rush for that

edgy arrow
#

not to mention beo’s non sticking casts make hera’s reduced drop delay look pretty meagre

spring kettle
#

also if I'm reading the aspect specific stuff correctly, dragon rush adds cast damage

#

whereas Hera doesn't

halcyon flame
#

ok so basically

edgy arrow
#

it’s literally just a better version of hera’s gimmick lol

halcyon flame
#

beo with charged shot > hera

edgy arrow
#

dragon rush doesn’t add cast damage

#

it just increases the damage/width of the bull rush

spring kettle
#

that still increases more damage than hera's

edgy arrow
#

truth

spring kettle
#

so beo is better, safer hera

#

You can equal Hera's buff with one Hermes boon

shy gulch
#

beo > hera

#

beo with charged shot > beo

halcyon flame
#

also something i noticed with beo is that if you load a cast mid-bull rush it works just fine

shy gulch
#

yeah loading midrush is a huge part of playing beo efficiently

#

thats actually the one downside of charged shot to me, its nearly impossible to do the same with charged shot

halcyon flame
spring kettle
#

I've won with beo before, does that mean I know how to play hera by extension?

edgy arrow
#

not really

#

bow micro is kind of it’s own thing

halcyon flame
#

hera is basically the same thing but with a different playstyle

edgy arrow
#

there are some similarities tho yeah

shy gulch
#

unfortunately not dysphere

vapid wasp
#

Having trouble at the 20ish heat hump. Should I be getting used to EM4 or Forced Overtime as the next big heat investment?

true fable
#

there are some similarities but hera and beo are very different in pretty important ways

spring kettle
#

how does athena's deflect cast work with beo?

true fable
#

like the cast?

#

the cast makes a deflect box

#

but its bad

#

dont use phalanx flare lol

shy gulch
#

FO is kind of necessary as u climb up and EM4 absolutely is not, unless you wanna go SUPER super high

#

also FO is more prevalent throughout the whole run

#

including in the EM4 fight itself lul

weak gyro
#

You know, at first I thought fightering Asterius by himself in Elysium was cool. But my god, am I so tired of this guy now. I've literally fought him twice as much as any other boss, and it's horrible

#

I think Elysium needs a third mini-boss like Tartarus and Asphodel. And it shouldn't be Thesius.

turbid bobcat
#

A massive chariot that spawns flamewheels constantly

#

😛

#

would be so painful

wanton plover
#

in a small room without gaps

weak gyro
#

I would welcome the change of pace

#

Maybe Patrokolus and/or Achilles would be cool

#

But less spinning, please

spring kettle
#

but Pat and Achilles are on your side

weak gyro
#

Friendly competition/advanced training

#

Maybe it's like Than. You don't have to win, but you get a reward if you do. Or it could just be outright optional

shy plinth
#

Would probs be a giant shieldman or something

turbid bobcat
#

shieldman with a shield on his back too

#

a god among gods

weak gyro
#

Yeah, I was just thinking we need an Aspect of Elysium shield with a triple shockwave and charge into spin

shy plinth
#

I wouldn't say we need it

spring kettle
#

why does theseus dual wield?

#

why can't zag hold a shield and a spear/sword/whatever at the same time?

dire steppe
#

use the dual wield mod

rain sedge
#

that 40 hera was very fun

alpine sleet
#

ah

#

I'm finally getting used to

#

using SD

#

but I'm still so trash kekw

shy gulch
#

mood

spring kettle
#

I think touch of styx dark is the only buff that patty gives that can potentially last until the final fight

shy gulch
#

I think the jerky can too

#

with really good rng

dire steppe
#

pat rock loss doesn’t buff athena DD right

alpine sleet
#

the only way I keep patty buff is a misfire ;)

#

hmmm for gilga should I use athena keepsake or ares keepsake

#

for starting boon

opal token
#

How valuable are the Athena boons buffing SD? I’m struggling to adjust to SD no healing over like 3DD

alpine sleet
#

uh

#

if there's nothing else u need

#

yea that's p goo d

opal token
#

Sorry like I’m considering deliberately taking Athena keepsakes to try and get those boons.

#

Which probably gimps me way too much

alpine sleet
#

naw

#

athena is da queen

gentle bridge
edgy arrow
#

if you’re hunting them specifically be aware that they’re tier 2 boons, so you’ll have to have something else from athena to give them a chance to appear

#

that’s hardly an issue tho, since divine dash is S tier on basically any build (excluding speedrunning stuff)

edgy arrow
#

it good

alpine sleet
#

o:

#

should I start athena

#

instead of ares then

#

just cause of that athena power ;p

edgy arrow
#

i generally start athena yeah

#

that’s kind of a secondary benefit tho

vital grove
#

It would be nice to have a different ares/Pos duo. Maybe make Doom deal +80% damage against bosses.

edgy arrow
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mainly i do it because you need two athena boons (divine dash and divine flourish) and only one ares boon (curse of agony) to get ME going so i like having her in my pool early

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we already have two doom focused duos

vital grove
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Maybe a flat damage boost against bosses

shy gulch
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i usually force athena in aspho myself

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and start with whatever boon i need to get my build going

vital grove
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I do that too most of the time when doing higher heat

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Athena is too good

mossy zinc
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You don't take the Owl Pendant if you're going for speed unless you want ME.

edgy arrow
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^

gentle bridge
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does swift strike affect delta chamber?

vital grove
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Probably just the 1st hit

shy gulch
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4 sack stopped me from the 45 mirrorless

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pain

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entered dad fight with zero seconds left LOL

waxen relic
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Is that Stubborn roots?

shy gulch
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yes lmao

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i had the 1 case i could get it

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skelly tooth on, lost the defiance, then got offered stubborn roots

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fun fact: it still works after you take off tooth

waxen relic
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I know. tbh it works more afterwards

shy gulch
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yeah bc its always active

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pretty funny

vital grove
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Stubborn meta

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I knew it

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🤣🤣

edgy arrow
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... too much beowulf for me

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i just tried to load a cast into zag sword

unique zephyr
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Not sure if Extreme Measures 4 questions go here or in builds and combat, died to the third phase in my first attempt :/

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...there are only 3 phases right?

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no fourth one?

edgy arrow
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just three yeah

vital grove
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Got Rama 40 done

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Arty /hangover

night belfry
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What's your favorite for high heat, God's pride onion (Epic %) vs Legacy prism (Legendary/Duo %)?