h1-high-heat-strategies

[spice whale]

Good point

Hades Fight

Let's gooo

[sly remnant]

you got this

go win

[spice whale]

No use of Thanatos, but who cares.

I can do it without his help

PHASE 2

YES!

I DID IT!

[sly remnant]

grats dude!

[rain sedge]

easy peasy

first try after the correct pact and mirror yeah?

grats, send the screenshot over

that's a good hammer/boon combo

[spice whale]

Sent it in #h1-victory-boasting

[rain sedge]

saw it, noice

[agile harness]

what are the easiest methods of heat?
Like I know CF is the first heat you should use

[rain sedge]

if it's about 32 heat, it's pinned

if it's about "lower" heat, then TD and EM, then MM

[true fable]

CF is not the first heat you should use imo

buying boons is good

[halcyon flame]

does heightened security also increase the damage that the skull shockwaves deal in the hades fight?

[true fable]

no

just the urns

[weak mesa]

Just the urns is already bad enough 😭

I lost a run because a new urn spawned at the spot that one just exploded

and I couldn't see it...

[true fable]

you did 57 right?

i wasnt sure if i read that

[weak mesa]

yea

that happened at lower heat tho

[rain sedge]

isn't there a gif for this from baj/tail

[weak mesa]

i wouldn't know, would like to see it!

share the pain

[true fable]

well congrats!

you are part of a very exclusive club

[true fable]

yeah i think it happened to tail during his first 56

or smth

back in the good ol days of like 2 months ago

[weak mesa]

Thank you!

[daring hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/774843519855493130/okay2.gif

[weak mesa]

????

That's way worse than what happened to me LOOL

[daring hedge]

spawning urn that isn't even fully visible yet forcing zag out of the way lol

[weak mesa]

did you still win?

[daring hedge]

yeah

[weak mesa]

siiick

[rain sedge]

56 heat btw

[weak mesa]

to still win after that bs

props

ah i can't upload it here

I recorded urns doing their bs on me too

[dire steppe]

you can upload to a link or victory boasting and send the link here

[weak mesa]

I think ill upload to twitter for better quality 1 sec

[sly remnant]

i'd really like the urns to be fixed

i lose a DD to snow too much

[weak mesa]

https://twitter.com/Supahsemmie/status/1346894971345858560

Supahsemmie (@Supahsemmie)

Unfortunate urn https://t.co/4awsPtEZ1y

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jan 6, 2021, 7:02 PM

[true fable]

oh with blade dash too

youre an ultra gamer

[weak mesa]

i thought it'd help LOOL

so wrong

[dire steppe]

you did your first 40 5 days ago and then got the heat wr for hestia yesterday

that’s what i call a god gamer

[true fable]

trueee

[dire steppe]

crepes in crisis, dedicated his life to hestia only to be sniped by some guy who did it for the lulz

[weak mesa]

please don't say that 😅

there is a ton of rng involved

[ripe crane]

Leaving server now

Goodbye forever

[gaunt fiber]

Farewell, boyo

Just take a bit of shared suffering before leaving

https://imgur.com/9irSjQD

It's on me

[dire steppe]

you can share my suffering any day

[sly remnant]

astaos speedrunning?

Pog?

[gaunt fiber]

I'm trying

[sly remnant]

bruh get that GY record

[daring hedge]

speedy GY poggerschampion

[gaunt fiber]

It's more fun than I thought

But it's a lot harder than expected too

[tidal flame]

What happened to Crepes?

[sly remnant]

yea you really have to think about moving through a room

[tidal flame]

Burn out?

[ripe crane]

Supahsemmie beat my Hestia record on his first ever playthrough with rail

[tidal flame]

Oh lol

Retire time

[ripe crane]

(not actually)

[sly remnant]

@gaunt fiber have you watched wriste's speedrunning basics guide? room spawn control is the most non-obvious thing he talks about

[ripe crane]

But, I do need to get back into EM4 practice if I ever want to get record back. I am burnt out tho, haven't really played for quite a while.

[sly remnant]

its a number.

if you aren't feeling it nbd

if you are cool

arbitrary heat number will be here in a year if you want it

[dire steppe]

someone named xx_minecraftpunk35_xx will get the 62 heat hestia clear (everything except DC2)

in may

[gaunt fiber]

I did. I suck at megs since I don't run it on high heat (got a 3 meg on witches tho, was so proud) and I'm terrible at the spawn management thing.

[daring hedge]

what do you run at high heat?

antos?

[ripe crane]

I will be very upset if RobloxFan69 doesn't take his rightful place as Hestia King

[gaunt fiber]

Yes sir

[sly remnant]

meg struggles with DC a bit on witches but outside of that i think meg is just better

[gaunt fiber]

Hm

It's just a GY thing for me

[sly remnant]

furies hard?

[gaunt fiber]

Saves time or my life in Tartarus

Yeah basically

And since it's really decent for butterfly ball and styx in general, I'm ok with that

But meg for any heat is just amazing

[sly remnant]

meg owns bfly ball tho?

even with dc

[gaunt fiber]

Oh yeah it's really good

[sly remnant]

i cna see the styx argument tho

[gaunt fiber]

I even think than meg is better than Antos for butterfly

But since it does a good job I'm happy

[daring hedge]

yeah, i think meg is overall more flexible if you know how to time and place her, but being able to burst high heat furies in a panic can be nice sometimes

and both antos hits on a single target will do more than a meg

[weak mesa]

I like meg during 1st phase of hades

apparently it gets rid off all the butterflies too

[daring hedge]

meg basically disables whatever is going on in the vicinity, which also includes snakestone miniboss lasers, bombs, etc.

[weak mesa]

is it the same with the other keepsakes?

like than

[daring hedge]

i believe so but i'd have to double check, not sure

[honest kernel]

I legit might want to use Than

for 62 heat

Extra damage's relevant with CP2

And I only really bother using the companion late anyways

[weak mesa]

How do you use than on the champions?

[honest kernel]

For the Heroes, I can somewhat consistently group them

[weak mesa]

They made me stop using him...

ah okay

[honest kernel]

Like, give me a moment

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it's really nice when it happens. I feel like you can kinda control the hits tho. I tried to clown around and Pat just hit a random enemy even tho I had one at melee range

[honest kernel]

I do it at some point in one of my recording sessions

[weak mesa]

62 heat would be everything except Routine inspection max?

jesus

[daring hedge]

yep

for my attempts i basically have to grind for AP2 greatest reflex

baj doesn't need it because of bull rush utility on shield

[gaunt fiber]

Zzz

This is so lame

[weak mesa]

is it even possible with just a single dash

like, can you even dash fast enough physically

[gaunt fiber]

I don't think it is

[daring hedge]

i mean, even one dash has iframes

[gaunt fiber]

EM4 one dash no thanks

[weak mesa]

for example the double swing that EM4 does

[daring hedge]

you'd just have to be nearly perfect with your timing

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but

[honest kernel]

It's possible with 1-dash. possible

Not easy

[spring kettle]

Time your call for the iframes?

[gaunt fiber]

Sometimes enemy attacks are coming from everywhere and you have to choose what to iframe right

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/e0bc123cc9f8e1809edab9bb6daecb1f I've been getting better at seeing situations like there

And actually using them to deal damage to both of 'em

[daring hedge]

like, back when i was doing around 58 or so i had some runs where i did make it to EM4 dad with one dash, but the fight goes downhill pretty quickly from there

[weak mesa]

ah so you wait for theseus to talk

of course

[gaunt fiber]

What about multiple skulls at Hades + sweep or if you have to iframe cerb and dad appears

[honest kernel]

He does 'em at specific intervals

And at certain spots

[weak mesa]

If you can do EM4 with a single dash you're a god

[daring hedge]

you need to exercise restraint and make the most of your overall movement instead of spamming dash

[honest kernel]

And early enough in the fight to get Morte in

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I get that

I don't spam dash since the mirrorless arc

But I'm just not good enough lol

[weak mesa]

does mirrorless rely on greater reflex too? or do you guys just do it with 1 dash

on lower heat ofc

[daring hedge]

you can run hyper sprint there as well

[weak mesa]

oh yea i love hyper sprint

[daring hedge]

it feels different but it works fine

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah these two options are fine

I really like hyper sprint nowadays

[daring hedge]

but greatest reflex definitely makes it feel like you cheated out of RI3 while still taking RI4 lol

[honest kernel]

Hyper Sprint is dope on ranged weapons

On melee weapons, it's not as great

But still good

[gaunt fiber]

Please don't say that

[daring hedge]

not saying it isn't valid

but it takes a huge amount of pressure off

[gaunt fiber]

Sure does

[daring hedge]

there's high heat mirrorless btw

[weak mesa]

but you need either greater reflex or hyper sprint

basically

[gaunt fiber]

Oh yeah for me mirrorless is high heat

[daring hedge]

yeah pretty much

[gaunt fiber]

But training at lower heat is really good

I think

[daring hedge]

i'd say 40 and below mirrorless can get away with it without those two

[waxen relic]

On a scale from 0 to 64 how hard do you think would EM4 RI4 FO2 TD3 be?

[gaunt fiber]

63

64 in hell mode

[spring kettle]

Even without benefits package and hard labor?

[gaunt fiber]

Oh alone

Mb

[waxen relic]

It's actually just 30 Heat alone

[gaunt fiber]

I don't think I can beat that with GY outside of Tartarus skewer

[daring hedge]

if you got greatest reflex and could keep your acorn after phase 1, honestly not that bad

no HL5

and without JS or CP, TD3 won't be so bad at all

[weak mesa]

Yea, you got the whole run to prepare

[waxen relic]

No AP no CF..

[gaunt fiber]

I'm curious, might try it later

In a century or two when I'm done with what I have to do atm

[true fable]

hyper sprint is nice

just because

you know

damage reduction

[daring hedge]

quit rubbing it in

i learned my lesson

[true fable]

LOL

i have to take what i can get

[warm osprey]

got second phase hades down 50% on 57

on 3 sac

ran outta time tho

[true fable]

RIP

[weak mesa]

:(

At what time did you reach hades @warm osprey

[warm osprey]

4 mins left

idk the time of the run

but its was scuffed

[weak mesa]

damn 4 mins is roughhh

[sly remnant]

i guess i'm gonna go speedrun some beo to distract myself

[gaunt fiber]

everyone's a speedrunner nowadays

[tame mist]

||if i beat heat 32 before heat 16 will i get both skelly statues||

[tidal flame]

yup

[tame mist]

im mad now

||i used my tenth win (the free one) to beat heat 16 instead of just going for 32||

[gaunt fiber]

Why do you cover your message with spoilers buddy

I mean it's a style

but it's not necessary here

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/796514131267551313/unknown.png so... this happened

[gaunt fiber]

Damn

[north dove]

(dem fists)

[gaunt fiber]

Damn fists

[tame mist]

im worried some people might find it a spoiler cuz last time i talked about stuff like that people got rlly mad cuz i didnt put a spoiler

[north dove]

I don't think they can keep up with the damage requirements for CP2 TD3 though :/

[daring hedge]

👀 oh wow

[gaunt fiber]

It's high heat boyo

[tame mist]

wait what happened?

[main pelican]

60 😮

[north dove]

got to champs on 60 heat

[tame mist]

oh damn

thats rlly good

i cant even beat 3 rooms in tartarus

lmfao

[daring hedge]

you don't have to worry about spoilers in this channel

[tame mist]

ok good

[sly remnant]

guys i have never beat hades

you are spoiling me 😦

[true fable]

the level 4 divine dash lol

nice one retrash

[shy gulch]

dem fists? good god

[daring hedge]

chaos gate taken in elysium to mitigate TD3 and still basically ran out anyway

the 60 heat experience

[true fable]

thats like a 34 chaos too

dang

[daring hedge]

patty even seems to have shown up

i swear patty never shows up for me when it matters anymore

[weak mesa]

Wow that's insane

[true fable]

tough one trash man

closer than any fister has gotten before

[north dove]

I try my best

[chilly sun]

doing 50 heat Arthur

managed to get halfway through elysiym but I'm having a lot of trouble :((

[rain sedge]

retrash 60 heat 👀

and we know that if the man gets to EM4, he's got the practice for it

[warm osprey]

TD3 is awful

[chilly sun]

it's... It's bad

[warm osprey]

57 heat is way more feasible than my setup for 55 just cuz of rocking TD2

[chilly sun]

good luck :>

[true fable]

EM4 for retrash comes down to TD3

in other words

[warm osprey]

I did 4 runs and got 1.5 way through hades with no meg ult

[true fable]

its just a matter of time 😎

[warm osprey]

But no time cuz of 3 sac and terrible gameplay

[tidal flame]

speedrun.com if you meet the rules?

otherwise check the pin here for a community record tracker

also congrats!

got it well then good luck!

make sure to read the rules in speedrun.com/Hades if you want to post there

OBS served me well.

Easy to set up, plenty of support, etc.

[dire steppe]

em2 is hard change my mind

[gaunt fiber]

Lernie hard pfff

(yes)

[sly remnant]

Hs em2 lernie is no joke

[warm osprey]

@north dove when is 61

[true fable]

em2 lernie ends a good number of my runs

[shy gulch]

HS EM2 is rough

same as bright

[true fable]

same with em3 asterius miniboss

[shy gulch]

lernie is one of my big checkmarks for my runs

em3 asterius is another

[true fable]

running into asterius on GY is often a run ender

2 hits

[daring hedge]

i think i only get worried about EM2 lernie when i don't have much max health and it's blue slammy

[true fable]

GG

[shy gulch]

using GY is often a run ender

[true fable]

tail what about orange

i also hate orange but 🤷

[shy gulch]

i dont mind orange as much tbh

[daring hedge]

i just dash behind it when it does the super spray

[shy gulch]

like its annoying but not too bad

[true fable]

i also use acorn more than yall for aspho i think

[shy gulch]

you do, in fact, do that

i rarely take a defensive keepsake into aspho

i usually just force athena LUL

[true fable]

that is a defensive keepsake too

[shy gulch]

fair enough

[true fable]

its just a less reliable one with AP imo

[daring hedge]

i used to do acorn aspho sometimes but now that gets replaced with either owl pendant or like coin purse

[true fable]

coin purse? really

interesting

obols make the world go round

[daring hedge]

yeah i did that for my 40 wr as well

just kind of a "sure i guess" choice but it's nice

[true fable]

fair enough

[daring hedge]

since i don't feel like i need the acorn for lernie anymore

[true fable]

im comin for it i just need the inner strength to run AP again

i havent done anything above 15 heat in a week lol

[shy gulch]

im not comin for it

[daring hedge]

once the beo stars align it's over for me

[shy gulch]

lmao

[true fable]

also the urn emote is processing rn

[daring hedge]

yess

[true fable]

been long overdue

its a thicc ⚱️ too

[daring hedge]

the 40 wr run is up btw i just never mentioned it really

i already got questioned about starting with hunter dash instead of deadly strike and honestly

fair, i could have just rolled

but also it was purple

[true fable]

lol

purple boon good

[daring hedge]

mmm purple dash strike damage

[true fable]

i do think d strike probably is better for tart but it paid off so

when did you end up getting strike

[daring hedge]

pre boss tart chamber lol

super lucky

the free one

[true fable]

LOL

i think i'm gonna aim for sub 10

single digit 40 sounds 🌰

[daring hedge]

aiming for sub 10 is exactly how you get sub 9 instead, i've learned

[true fable]

LOL

[daring hedge]

get ready for a run where this just happens

[true fable]

sounds reliable

just get that EZ triple chaos cast dmg

chamber 4 mirage

[daring hedge]

AP denying all the bad stinky boons you don't even want

easy

[true fable]

😦

this is a fantasy

[dire steppe]

honestly hunter dash might be better for tart isn’t it

because more consistent damage and enemies have low hp

[true fable]

fair pt

[daring hedge]

true actually

[dire steppe]

was that art start or shackle

[true fable]

the question is whether it changes damage breakpoints

[daring hedge]

arrowhead start

[true fable]

if you need a crit anyway to kill some things, then d strike better, if not, hdash better

[daring hedge]

rama almost doesn't really need either for tart aside from minibosses and the fury taking way too long if you get none

like the biome itself rama just destroys

[true fable]

yeah thats true

are you doing a charon%

[dire steppe]

i’m just big trash

[true fable]

the category got added today

[dire steppe]

i started taking antos just so i don’t die to em1

[daring hedge]

i could but you can bet my load into charon's secret erebus coin room will betray me

[true fable]

lol

[daring hedge]

you made it rta just so i'd be discouraged i know it

[true fable]

2:20 RTA with 1 minute blackscreen

corruption at the highest level in src as usual

[daring hedge]

lmao

[dire steppe]

donate $1 to tail’s PC every time he dies to em4 62

[daring hedge]

you all don't know what it's like to listen to muffled orpheus for 10 seconds straight on a black screen

an experience like no other

[dire steppe]

goodbye to all the earthly remains

[true fable]

tail whens the new computer

[dire steppe]

he just has to die 1000 times to em4 62

[daring hedge]

new SSD pretty soon, new entire computer i have no idea

[true fable]

dang

strim?

[daring hedge]

62 is such a pain on non-shield i can only do a few attempts at a time tbh

i'll try to strim once i get the SSD

see how it goes

[true fable]

NICE

crazy that its been 3 months since 1.0 release

a long time to wait for a tailesque strim

[daring hedge]

lol

[rain sedge]

have you considered fundraising for the SSD tail?

people do that with twitch subscriptions etc right

[daring hedge]

nah you all wouldn't have to do that i'd feel bad

[rain sedge]

idk, a lot of people would subscribe to you, and if my experience in other games work in hades, people gladly donate to top players

$100 is 10 subscribers or something

(I think)

[daring hedge]

i would need to become affiliate to even unlock subs tho

which takes a lil time

[true fable]

just plug it on your YT

[true fable]

lol this is nowhere close

[dire steppe]

people give twitch subs because they get them for free from evil slave company

[true fable]

true

but yeah 100 dollars is more like 40 subs

[dire steppe]

i like making content and editing and stuff but i’m not good enough at anything i currently play to do streams or whatever

[rain sedge]

hmm, £5 for a sub, how many % are streamers getting?

so that's 20 subs for around $100 right

but I expect amazon keeps a cut

[dire steppe]

it is my personal opinion that people shouldn’t sub or donate to anyone on twich unless it’s a prime sub

[spice whale]

I decided to go ahead and play some 18 heat to cool off after today's W with 32 Heat.

...But in so doing, I completely lost a run because I was a dumb and forgot to turn off EM3.

[dire steppe]

don’t let them take their cut lol

just give money straight up

[next marsh]

so i just beat my first 32 heat, what do you think of my pact/mirror setup?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762896614821068844/796567247278702612/unknown.png

[daring hedge]

first thing i notice

you should change the rare chance to dark foresight

[true fable]

you get 50% lol

family favorite too

imo

[daring hedge]

yeah

[next marsh]

normally i would run SD, but i tried just the one run without it, and that ended up being the winning run

[daring hedge]

and olympian legacy is still good but i personally prefer god's pride

i guess it can depend on your aspect

[solemn pulsar]

tail i have an old SATA 128 GB SSD from my old pc i can mail it to you haha

[true fable]

gods pride + stygian for good hermes boons

pog cgull coming in clutch

[daring hedge]

lol i appreciate that, but i'm gonna get one much bigger than that

[spice whale]

I always used the mirror perk that gives me health from Darkness.

[solemn pulsar]

ok it will continue its life as a thing to prop up my speakers

[rain sedge]

so about the same cut amazon takes on their website

[daring hedge]

there's a good deal for a samsung evo 1tb that i'm strongly considering

[rain sedge]

well tail, if you put a donation link I'm sure it'll fill quickly

[daring hedge]

i just really need more space

[next marsh]

i was running dio+ares+aphro, so i think the status curse one was better here than familty favorite

also @daring hedge why dark foresight?

idk much about it

[daring hedge]

it makes a huge difference in terms of how many gold laurel chambers you get

so throughout the run that means more health, more poms, more boons

[next marsh]

i see

[true fable]

dark foresight is absolutely absurd

[next marsh]

good to know

[true fable]

shifts it 20% in both directions

[next marsh]

i have only run it like once

[true fable]

so its effectively 40% more gold laurel rooms

[daring hedge]

also i would recommend dark regen over cthonic vit if you aren't running LC4 imo

cthonic vit is only very noticeable in styx

[next marsh]

i was about to ask about that

thx

[rain sedge]

you kinda always run LC4 tho

[daring hedge]

you can also take darkness troves for a big heal at the end

well at 32 you don't need to really

but yeah if you climb heat, it doesn't matter

[next marsh]

right

thank you!

also i struggled a bit with SD + LC4, anything i should know about it?

[daring hedge]

generally try to kill zag before the encounter ends to top up on your revive health

if there's lava or egg traps though, you can do it after

[next marsh]

makes sense

[daring hedge]

hades is a bit tougher since you can't save three whole DDs for his fight

[next marsh]

its hard going into the EM3 fight with like 60 health + 1 SD though

hades is not too bad compared to EM3 imo

[quartz mantle]

Really?

[next marsh]

i mean

[quartz mantle]

I found EM3 to be pretty free personally

[next marsh]

i lost 2 DDs to the heros and none to hades

[daring hedge]

getting health throughout the run and hoping to take patty touch of styx dark into the final fight is kinda big

[spice whale]

Another thing about SD is that you can get more Death Defiances via Athena, but you have to have used your DD first.

[next marsh]

so yeah

[quartz mantle]

Big red circles were easier to dodge than him throwing spears

and the spin move is super easy to dodge

[spice whale]

I disagree.

[quartz mantle]

and if you're using a ranged weapon you just shoot at him while backing up

[next marsh]

its the bull really, honestly theseus gets easier on EM3

[spice whale]

^

[quartz mantle]

I found the bull pretty easy idk

[spice whale]

Asterius is the one reason why EM3 is a pain in the ass.

[quartz mantle]

Big spin just seems to lock him from being able to touch me

I just run away

[next marsh]

also the theseus guns just shredded my whole acorn in about 1 second , which sucked

[quartz mantle]

Also am I imagining things or does Theseus go into phase 2 at a lower health during EM 3

[next marsh]

he does

[quartz mantle]

Yea so that's easier

[next marsh]

its like one third

[spice whale]

Theseus is easier, sure.

[quartz mantle]

Don't have to deal with God boosted Theseus for as long

[next marsh]

i think his remaining health in phase 2 is the same actually

[quartz mantle]

I think the fight is slower but easier

[next marsh]

he just has extra health while on the chariot

[true fable]

@daring hedge i need your opinion

[next marsh]

but no shield makes it easier

[true fable]

how do you feel about high confidence at 32/40 heat

for beowulf

[spice whale]

I never run HC.

[true fable]

to one shot witches in tartarus

ok

[daring hedge]

lol

[spice whale]

I myself always go Thicc skin.

[true fable]

nico for context im talking about speedrunning 32/40

[quartz mantle]

I've always been running HC ever since I started doing heats

[spice whale]

Fair

[daring hedge]

i just don't think HC is going to be worth it on anything for high heat speedruns because of LC4 and SD

[true fable]

yeah the idea is i no hit tart

and also never hit chaos or smth

LOL

[daring hedge]

HMMM

[true fable]

or casts stonks take off by the time i take chaos

[rain sedge]

I have a serious question king

is flurry shot good?

or is that answer dependent on your ability to do perfect shot

[daring hedge]

i don't like it very much but i think that's mostly a preference/playstyle thing

i think it can still be good with twin shot

[rain sedge]

I'm trying to do all aspects 40

and got that for zag bow

it just feels like a worse rail

[daring hedge]

you could probably get like, deadly strike on zag bow with flurry shot and spam for a solid 30% chance of crit

[rain sedge]

yeah I have that

feels underwhelming, but maybe I just got used to eris

[daring hedge]

the thing that's sad about flurry shot play is that dash-strike boosts become way less useful

[true fable]

flurry zag is sick

esp with twin

but i still like twin PB better

[daring hedge]

zag [bow] is sick
wow crazy bright

good to see you loving zag bow now

[true fable]

i was gonna say

the thing is

at the end of the day

you are still playing zag bow

[daring hedge]

lmao

what's your opinion on pulling like, an inverse of zag spear flurry jab

where you go all in special on zag bow

charged volley and another volley hammer

[rain sedge]

uhhhhh

the bow projectile don't destroy meg projectile huh

I suppose I just learned that today

[true fable]

special zag bow is fun

i like charged volley a lot as a hammer

[rain sedge]

so what exactly destroy projectiles?

or is the meg shooters not destroyable?

I could've had that fight easily if I knew this

[daring hedge]

you can def destroy meg's bullet hell projectiles

[true fable]

you can parry them for sure

thats why you just hold down on attack on fists lol

[rain sedge]

yea that's weird because

I tried to do that on bow and I died

[true fable]

the downside is sometimes you eat a ton of them

[rain sedge]

maybe the bow thingy is too small?

[daring hedge]

were you attacking or specialing

[true fable]

well where were you standing

and yeah attack/special

although both can parry im p sure

[daring hedge]

yeah i think both can

but special is gonna have an easier time

[true fable]

my favorite thing is vs sneak

you can just rama special wherever it TPs and it cant hit you

[daring hedge]

lol

[true fable]

schad you got zag bow 40 though?

[daring hedge]

my favorite sneak strat is hades spear charging spins and releasing them whenever it tps, either away or on top of you it doesn't matter

because spin huge and you get spin dash iframes

[rain sedge]

I was attacking

no I do not have the zag bow 40, I died

I have plenty of aspects to go through, don't think I'm gonna do all of them

not exactly that good, am I

[true fable]

casual player

im stealing that branding

arent we all casuals at heart

are there really any professional hades players

[true fable]

but then i'd have to play a spear that cant get flurry jab

[next marsh]

tails would be, if he actually let us pay him

lol

[daring hedge]

hades esports gamer

[next marsh]

get a red bull sponsorship

[true fable]

tailesque with the madcatz sponsorship

[dire steppe]

isn’t special zag bow just worse version of any other bow

even hera

[true fable]

its the same as hera basically

if youre going special build

[dire steppe]

more consistent boiling blood with hera i guess

[true fable]

somehow still less cursed than a rama special build

[daring hedge]

wouldn't it be less consistent

dislodges faster

[dire steppe]

you upgraded your hera bow?

i have it unupgraded for a reason

[true fable]

ok this reminds me of that joke

[honest kernel]

When it dislodges you just try and get the casts back anyways

[dire steppe]

i’m 100% serious

[rain sedge]

@daring hedge

[true fable]

about running an unupgraded stygian soul

[dire steppe]

unupgraded hera bow is straight up better for stygian

[true fable]

for rav will uptime

[daring hedge]

which is more work if all you want is your boiling blood boost for specials

[honest kernel]

Bruh

[true fable]

which is more feasible

[dire steppe]

i’ve also done this unironically

[true fable]

rigged are you a wriste alt

[next marsh]

@true fable lol, but there has got to be SOME itme where thats actually viable

[dire steppe]

no

[honest kernel]

I thought y'all mean the Boiling Blood for the attack

LOL

[dire steppe]

my ideas are uniquely stupid

[daring hedge]

lol we're like

[true fable]

wriste has unironically plugged running 5 second stygian soul and then upgrading it mid run for all weaps

[dire steppe]

search up “blade dash eris” on this server

[daring hedge]

on a weird special bow tangent

[dire steppe]

no one has said that except me

[daring hedge]

that doesn't include rama or chiron

[honest kernel]

Special on Hera is kinda clunky with the cast stuff

[true fable]

blade dash eris is good

baj

imagine for a second you could load a cast

into the next special

[daring hedge]

this is the ultimate wristebigbrain moment

[true fable]

it literally is the pinnacle of

is it bad i briefly considered it for all weaps

[honest kernel]

You mean while the special's on cooldown ?

Don't see how that's more efficient than simply doing attacks

[true fable]

no like if they designed hera so your casts could pop out of the special

on each arrow

[honest kernel]

oh

[true fable]

lol

[honest kernel]

Yeah ok this is getting weird

[true fable]

LOL

[daring hedge]

multiplying your cast by that many arrows

dude

[honest kernel]

Beo better go hidding then lmao

Multiplying casts by 9 at point blank sounds insane to me

No matter how you spin it

[dire steppe]

No i unironically run level 1 hera bow because I use (maxed) stygian

[daring hedge]

chunk so hard the invuln phase skip exploit comes back

[dire steppe]

So it just gives me longer abussal blood with no downs side

[dire steppe]

you seen the new rama one?

[daring hedge]

what do you mean

[true fable]

yeah tail they routed a lernie skip

with rama

[daring hedge]

lmao

[dire steppe]

rama shared suffering can skip lernie 6 head spawn

[honest kernel]

Turns out Shared Suffering, in routed, as the potential do to the lernie skip

[true fable]

boons looked a bit like your 40 heat clear

tbh

[honest kernel]

With the 6 heads being skipped

[true fable]

just a lot of chaos dash strike

[daring hedge]

ahh i can see that, yeah

that's silly

[honest kernel]

It's never been patched out

In fact, it works on all bosses, in theory

It's just that in practise, you won't get 'em ever

[dire steppe]

Yes just get 11 dash strike boons and one shot hades

[honest kernel]

Because of the damage thresholds

[next marsh]

how does that work? something about rama's type of damage?

[true fable]

well no you cant hit it directly is the problem

[honest kernel]

Chunk a boss hard enough and you can skip their HP breakpoints

[true fable]

it has to be on an add

[honest kernel]

Before they change phases

[true fable]

if you hit it with direct damage it caps it

[next marsh]

that makes sense

[honest kernel]

Wait, it has to be from an indirect source ?

[daring hedge]

i mean it's not brute force alone really, though, is it

yeah

[true fable]

it has to get hit by only the shared suffering

[honest kernel]

Oh right, old one was using Meg for that

[dire steppe]

or you have to hit 2 mobs

[honest kernel]

I wonder if it's possible with Morte

On like the furies

[daring hedge]

i don't think so

[honest kernel]

Likely not

But would be funny to see

[dire steppe]

Since when can companions skip

[daring hedge]

that was a while ago

[honest kernel]

^

[daring hedge]

lernie meg skip

[honest kernel]

like, several updates ago

[dire steppe]

But also yeah the highest summon dmg would be mort + targeting system + sweet surrender

[true fable]

hunters mark

you want hunters mark so the summon dmg can crit

[honest kernel]

Now, the tricky part

[next marsh]

and then you would prob need clean kill?

[honest kernel]

How do you get Hunter's Mark to proc

And actually get applied

[true fable]

theres no guarantee

[daring hedge]

this reminds me of sergei making all the weird huge damage builds lol

[true fable]

but epic is a good chance

[dire steppe]

i’ve never gotten a summon to crit with hunters mark

[true fable]

sergei had some big brain stuff

[dire steppe]

but if you did you can heartrend it

[true fable]

you can definitely do it

[dire steppe]

highest damage in current update is from than crit probably

[next marsh]

and btw to stage lernie you would need to do 3,300 damage in one hit to a mob (+any leftover health he has in stage 2)

[dire steppe]

rip blinding flash

[rain sedge]

I have missed all megs on a sneak today

[honest kernel]

So Than could maybe Lernie skip ?

[daring hedge]

rip killing asterius before he leaves the miniboss room

[honest kernel]

He does 3.5K

[next marsh]

nah than cant proc it, right?

[honest kernel]

Oh, Shared Suffering

Specifically ?

[next marsh]

yeah

[honest kernel]

So like

Meg could do it

[next marsh]

right

[honest kernel]

Could Than do it ?

[next marsh]

and was used in the past to do it

[honest kernel]

Has that been tested

[next marsh]

probably

[daring hedge]

it can't just be all from a single direct damage source or it doesn't work pretty sure

so mort wouldn't cut it and would hit the invuln no matter what

[honest kernel]

Well Meg was also a single hit, right ?

[daring hedge]

i mean for the current skip

[honest kernel]

Hmm

[rain sedge]

mfw you get 3 free rooms in a row and suddenly you are at boss room with 9 HP

xD

[honest kernel]

So they did fix it somewhat

But not directly

[next marsh]

right

[daring hedge]

yeah

[next marsh]

but something baout the way shared suffereing is coded bypasses it apparently

[dire steppe]

i wonder if maim counts as indirect dmg

not that maim can skip anything

[next marsh]

i would guess not

[honest kernel]

Wouldn't be surprised if it had to do with coding a debuff that takes damage from other enemies' damage taken near the game's official release date

[next marsh]

right

sounds messy no matter what, and the timing could not have helped

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[dire steppe]

sggs are cool people

[next marsh]

Trying to think of any other sources of damage that are based on other damage

But I can’t come up with anything

[dire steppe]

other than sort of peer pressure

which actually does have its own bug lol

[next marsh]

how does that one work?

[daring hedge]

the first transferred peer pressure hangover stack does 8x the normal damage for some reason

[next marsh]

uhm

the first tick, or the whole first stack?

[daring hedge]

one tick each time it procs

which is every four seconds

[next marsh]

huh

[daring hedge]

so not broken really

but super weird

[true fable]

it has to only be the peer pressure stack though

there cant be any other stacks iirc

[daring hedge]

ah right

even more niche and not exploitable

[true fable]

so you have to run something like dio special rail

LOL

[next marsh]

maybe it was an improperly removed mechanic?

[true fable]

tail have you considered doing anyheat hades spear

we need a good time on the boards

[next marsh]

like, "do x damage and apply a hangover stack"

[daring hedge]

that's a good idea actually

[true fable]

and no one else can get sub9

[daring hedge]

i feel like if bablo wanted to he could get a really good time in like a day

[true fable]

oh he has

[daring hedge]

but i could try some of that

[true fable]

but hes not doing igt this patch

[daring hedge]

why'

[true fable]

last patch he had a 7:3x on hades spear

not interested i dont think

[daring hedge]

just from liking rta more?

[true fable]

liking high heat more i imagine

[daring hedge]

ah

[true fable]

but yeah idk what JDNs time is but were just tryna get every weap sub9

and hades is a main culprit

along with chaos shield and GY

[daring hedge]

any heat letting me go ham with serrated point and not care about damage

i'm so used to getting serrated and being like

okay i might get hit a little more now

but that doesn't even matter there

[true fable]

nah you just go

its fun in the moment

then the long trek to the next room begins

[daring hedge]

serrated kinda makes up for that with all the damage output tbh

achilles does have it swanky though with the special express

[daring hedge]

wait is GY still a struggle even with serrated or CS

[true fable]

yes

[daring hedge]

i wouldn't have thought GY would specifically be a problem

[true fable]

that thing is so gotdang slow

i will probably grind it off strim for a bit but

even with ME it really struggles

[daring hedge]

does zag shield fare better than chaos just from pulverizing or what

[true fable]

pulv blow yeah

you get pulv blow and hunters mark and then just play break the targets

hope for free rooms and bam sub 8

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/796586108770058240/unknown.png I don't think I can play with TD3 on... got him down to half hp on phase 3

[true fable]

chaos just needs explosive return i think

[daring hedge]

noooo retrash

[true fable]

jeez retrash

rip

why not run 54 first

to just take the record

[daring hedge]

what was crepes' dem fists record again?

[true fable]

i think 51/52 but i could be wrong

[tidal flame]

didn't even need a special boon

dang

[north dove]

or a call

[daring hedge]

and the skull earring strats

[north dove]

but support fire and arty attack did a lot for me

I had pretty much perfect room rng

than 33 into patty 34

and then a 2 sack

[daring hedge]

wow that really is ideal

[next marsh]

wait why touch of styx dark + skull earring?

[true fable]

you need the damage

[daring hedge]

tangent thought but i really want a zag shield speedrun thumbnail to be a smash break the targets

[next marsh]

i though you would only take skull earring if you missed patty

[true fable]

im on it

i promise thatll be it if i beat cins record during zag shield week

[north dove]

I don't know what else I could have taken that would have given me enough damage for EM4 dad

[true fable]

still dont know what to do for a mom blossom poseidon thumbnail meme

[north dove]

besides skull earring

[next marsh]

i see

[daring hedge]

if you got a special boon you def could have done it retrash

[true fable]

retrash this is gonna sound dumb but was shackle maybe an option

[north dove]

yeah, but having to go through the grind again ugh

[next marsh]

oh yeah shackle could have been interesting,

[true fable]

+100% on special couldve been nice

[north dove]

hmm maybe

I was banking on getting a special on styx with 3 rerolls

but that didn't happen

[true fable]

maybe skull earring was more overall value

F

[daring hedge]

yeah, i think shackle could work for most of the run, but at the same time, you could get like

dio forcing drunken flourish

or something weird

[true fable]

kind of odd but dad call was also an option with support fire i think

[north dove]

you're right

[true fable]

effectively the same as shackle if you time it

[daring hedge]

how long does the greater boost last again

5s?

[true fable]

5s

i was thinking more that hed be able to build up lesser along with a special

but maybe thats ambitious without hunter instinct

[daring hedge]

it's just that even building up lesser kinda quickly, it's gonna take twice as much meter as a normal lesser and that lesser buff is what

2s or a little less

but PP, support fire and hunter instinct would actually be neat

[true fable]

yeah but then you can just do the call and uppercut or smth

idk

something to think about i guess

[daring hedge]

well yeah but like

a single uppercut

[dire steppe]

also the greater boost makes you not get hit at all i think

[daring hedge]

from all that

charged, given, but still

[true fable]

yeah its more a speed thing i guess

thats usually just because the +100% scales well with deadly flourish too

so no special boon would be kinda oof

[daring hedge]

yeah

[north dove]

I just needed an extra 20 seconds in the fight

so dad call would have done it

[true fable]

thats a toughie

[daring hedge]

i dunno if it would've closed that gap compared to skull earring's overall damage throughout, honestly

though maybe it wasn't active much for you

[north dove]

I was at full hp for most of the fight :/

[true fable]

lol

[daring hedge]

yeah, maybe don't go earring i guess

[true fable]

what a flex

[daring hedge]

lmao

[north dove]

flexing myself to death

[true fable]

skull earring is kind of weird

since vs superdad

at least for me

i was always either >40% or dead

[daring hedge]

superdad is like, you're either fine or not fine

[true fable]

yeah lol

there is no "chip damage"

[daring hedge]

right, chip only comes from the summons really

like stray butterflies etc

[north dove]

skull shockwaves are what deal the most damage to me most of the time

[daring hedge]

interesting

usually those are kind of a non-issue for me

[north dove]

I tank them in phase 3 sometimes instead of getting caught without an extra dash to avoid dad's swings

[true fable]

i have trouble keeping my eyes where they need to be during phase 1

[daring hedge]

i find that phase 3 is weird in that the variance for his skull output can vary dramatically

some fights the whole field is constant skulls, others he hardly does this at all

[true fable]

i realized halfway through practicing that i was looking at zag too much

[daring hedge]

that's how you get hit by offscreen spear throws

[true fable]

yup lol

[ripe crane]

Hard not to look at that beautiful face

And those spicy feet

[sly remnant]

Rofl crepes

[lucid jolt]

16

[tidal flame]

17

[edgy arrow]

?

are ya'll just counting

18

[onyx venture]

I didn't think any numbers existed in this channel below 32

[edgy arrow]

lol true

unless you're counting how many boons people got on their hestia wins

[tidal flame]

So if I clear heat 1, that would be a first in this channel?

Easy WR

[edgy arrow]

just checked speedrun.com, and there's no 1 heat category so clearly no one has done it before

[dire steppe]

if em4 is superdad then CP2FO2DC2 EM4 should be megadad

[true fable]

thats already maxy is it not

also DC2 isnt really doing a lot of the work there

feels like HL5 HS are more important parts of the equation

[north dove]

Never underestimate the DC2 skulls, those things are a pain

Also just lost another run to 3-sack tiny vermin

[true fable]

dang

and yeah retrash that's something i didnt consider

[north dove]

It was on 55 heat so it shouldn't be as bad of a grind as 57

[main pelican]

the worst is armored skulls with the benefit that they get more hearts

those are terrible

[next marsh]

so i am wondering, are there any aspects that can keep up with rama/zeus at 60+ heat?

not that i really have any business wondering about 60+ heat

but its cool to think about and watch really good players do

[tidal flame]

Dare I say Demeter Fists?

[next marsh]

yeah that weapon lacks the safety of the shield and bow, but the dps and boon versatility seems great

what about hestia?

[tidal flame]

DC is a huge hurdle

But Hestia is still a rail, so maybe?

[next marsh]

DC2 would be annoying to deal with, but with proper specials and whatnot, it might be possible

i think someone cleared 57 heat with it today

EM4 DC0

i wonder how RI and DC balances out there

[shy gulch]

i dont know if hestia could do it

rama and zeus can both take DC fairly easily which is a big point in their favor

[tidal flame]

Take RI4 so you don't take DC2

Easy 62

[daring hedge]

i think hestia could do it with DC2 but would require good room luck and a playstyle adjustment

[next marsh]

honestly a no-hit hestia run sounds easier than either zeus or rama

[mossy zinc]

Eris is up there as a candidate.

[next marsh]

(but i dont really know anything)

[daring hedge]

eris could definitely do it too, yeah

especially if you luck into AP2 cluster rockets or something

[mossy zinc]

Just reset until Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike.

[next marsh]

record is with that one is 51 heat by haelian

idk why it is not higher

[daring hedge]

schad is like the only person here who's interested in pushing eris it seems

[mossy zinc]

Because the handful of people doing heat that high like other aspects more.

Yeah.

[next marsh]

i see

also random rail question, is special->reload any slower than just reloading?

[mossy zinc]

You can press Special and Reload at the same time.

[shy gulch]

^

[next marsh]

right

[shy gulch]

it works great

[next marsh]

so adding in the special there is just free dps with no drawbacks?

[mossy zinc]

Reload timer is independent of anything else.

Correct.

Well, the drawback is you're standing still for the Special for a moment.

[next marsh]

oh i see

[mossy zinc]

You can also do Cast + Reload.

[next marsh]

makes sense

[true fable]

your ideal cycle is special reload/cast + dash imo

i usually just mash buttons and hope it works out

[mossy zinc]

If you have no reason to move, you can do Special + Reload > Cast before you can Attack again.

Or Cast + Reload > Cast.

[true fable]

only thing you have to be careful about is accidentally canceling the cast animation before the cast comes out

[mossy zinc]

Like during 360 beams or when he's summoning urns and you're on top of him.

Hestia can do Attack > Special + Reload > Cast > Attack > Cast x2 > repeat.

[daring hedge]

i do this so often while trying to time a cast on theseus as he comes out of his bubble

[next marsh]

that sounds pretty difficult

[daring hedge]

the whole slowdown period is me winding up but i dash out of it

[true fable]

yeah its tough

@next marsh it's a lot easier than it sounds

its more of an intuitive sense thing

[next marsh]

well its hard to do for the first time

i can promise you that

lol

but i imagine it gets easier quickly

[mossy zinc]

It's like a simple fighting game combo basically. Just gotta practice it for a bit.

Would be much easier to practice if Skelly had more HP.

[true fable]

when do you do this on rama?

in terms of your rotation i mean

is it special > cast > powershot or something else

[daring hedge]

either or for special/cast first honestly

like

special first then cast would be more efficient damage wise against DC but

i dunno i never use casts as a source of much damage with rama anyway

so i kinda feel it out

i think i usually end up casting first though

[next marsh]

also, is there much of a diference between stygian and infernal soul in non-cast based runs?

[daring hedge]

stygian is better generally because hermes' pool gets rid of flurry cast

bright woke me up to that one

[true fable]

:^)

[next marsh]

i see, that makes sense

[true fable]

i kind of want to try high heat hera now

[next marsh]

it does give you auto reload tho

[true fable]

anyheat hera has woken me up

[daring hedge]

that just replaces quick reload

[next marsh]

which seems equally useless

oh i see

[true fable]

it replaces QR and flurry cast

[next marsh]

makes sense

[true fable]

so net -1

[daring hedge]

hermes' pool is diluted by one boon less w/ stygian

[shy gulch]

yeah bright i was trying some 45 hera a while ago

not recently but its fun

[true fable]

with crush shot?

[shy gulch]

uh i dont recall tbh

just mom pom start it :^)

[daring hedge]

true shot :)

[shy gulch]

kek

[daring hedge]

can't believe poseidon sword with true shot used to be speed king back in the day

[tidal flame]

Bring back SF speedruns T.T

[next marsh]

are beo, hera, and poseidon all out at high heat because of AP3?

[daring hedge]

AP3

[shy gulch]

well depends how high heat u want to go

cast builds kinda fall off at higher heats because RI1 means losing gods legacy / pride, dark foresight, AND your rerolls

all of which are huge for cast builds