#h1-high-heat-strategies

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mossy zinc
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50+ is the new 40+.

shy gulch
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damn

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tried a 40 heat speedrun but died to a pot

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ggg

mossy zinc
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GGs.

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What aspect?

shy gulch
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hestia

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it was a mediocre run anyways, no patty + 3 sack

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entered hades at like 13:xx

true fable
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it happens

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idk what it is theres just weird time loss everywhere at 40 heat

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i had a 2:30 tart exit in my attempt into a 5:30 asphodel

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like

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where did my time go

shy gulch
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probably random BP2 enemies idk

true fable
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i need to get some on recording to see where i lose time

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idk

mossy zinc
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13:xx is good. That's a sub 15 pace.

shy gulch
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i already got a sub 15 with rama in 1.0, was trying to beat that time

mossy zinc
shy gulch
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i dont think he turned on JS

true fable
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i think she's making fun of me but i cant tell tbh

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not worth the mental effort

mossy zinc
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Well, at 40 you'd have one of JS, CP, DC, or AP on, I would think.

shy gulch
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AP1

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is what i saw

true fable
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yeah i ran AP1

shy gulch
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its what i using for that hestia run too

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i think its fine on hestia since u dont need much

true fable
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dont think JS is worth it if other people are gonna run AP1

shy gulch
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idk abt beo tho

true fable
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well

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its not like i want to

shy gulch
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lol

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thats fair

true fable
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just like i dont want to run god's pride on anyheat

mossy zinc
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I found JS1 or CP1 on Eris faster than DC1 or AP1.

true fable
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you just dont really have a choice if other people will

shy gulch
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faster than DC1?

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interesting

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i thought that w eris at least you'd be fine w dc1

true fable
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i am of the thought that DC slows you down more than you think it does

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think about what happens if you get rocket bomb with eris on JS1 vs DC1

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for example

mossy zinc
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No damage from Dashes or Specials most of the time kinda hurts a lot.

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Imagine Cluster Rockets into a crowd for 0 damage.

true fable
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pain

shy gulch
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how the hell are you supposed to deal with homing double damage witches in tartarus

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with fists

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just had a great run ended

ripe crane
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Athena dash

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Cast

shy gulch
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boutta start owl pendant

ripe crane
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Long Knuckle

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or just reset xd

shy gulch
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i did reset

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the hard way xd

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man i had jolted and storm lightning by like chamber 5

ripe crane
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You can deal with them but it can take quite a long time because you have to be very careful. Even if they don't murder you somehow, your time is gonna take quite a hit

mossy zinc
shy gulch
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idk i feel like i need zeus early for the room clear time save

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well i do have DC2 on, i could try putting that somewhere else

mossy zinc
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Yeah, I'd put that elsewhere.

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You shouldn't have any problem with the timer if you just get any % Flourish and any Attack boon that is not Tempest Strike.

shy gulch
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yeah im going to try and see how it feels

mossy zinc
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What Heat are you trying to clear?

shy gulch
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45

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damn

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no patty and a FIVE sack

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to end this run

mossy zinc
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RIP.

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At least your Touch of Styx didn't run out because you never got it. dusa

shy gulch
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pain.

shy gulch
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so how do you save a seed again?

shy gulch
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tfw epic artemis special crossed out twice by ap1 on dem fists

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i hate it here

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make that 3 times

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4th times the charm

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another 3 sack ended it

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pain

true fable
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owl pendant is nice

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because you can run AP1 and take either strike or dash

stiff aurora
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We have a call dps spreadsheet?

true fable
honest kernel
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Soo

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High heat grind's back in my plans

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40 heat speedruns or 61 heat pushing, I don't know yet

solemn pulsar
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How much pain are you looking for?

warm osprey
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61

rough gull
olive karma
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Good luck

rough gull
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it's an athena trial too

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i hate everything

solemn pulsar
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what weapon?

rough gull
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spear

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it's my favorite but i got unlucky with the first hammer

solemn pulsar
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if you have flurry jab and zeus attack you can do it

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otherwise give up

rough gull
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i dont like zeus on attack with spear ngl, but i stillmade it with dio on my special for some reason

solemn pulsar
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oh nice hangover is great for those rooms

rain sedge
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61 heat baj, do it

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Has more clout to it

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Is that ri3 and cp1 and the rest is full then?

dire steppe
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nah it’s everything but only bp1 obviously

true fable
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i believe that is his current plan

true fable
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@honest kernel out of curiosity, if youre picking up any special why zeus > arty/aphro? zeus feels like it would take a few more boons than just the spec

solemn pulsar
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Special base damage is 30 per hit. Common zeus special is 30 damage lightning, so that's immediately a 100% damage boost off a common, pommable, damage goes up with double strike and joletd and stuff

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also hits twice for stripping DC

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one hit + one lightning = DC gone

dire steppe
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common deadly flourish is 1.4*1.4 = 1.96, aphro is 1.8 so it’s less (but does inflict weak) but yeah poms + hits twice + cool t2 boons = good

solemn pulsar
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what's 1.6 there?

dire steppe
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20% crit chance

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3x damage when it happens

solemn pulsar
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that's 1.4

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1x(0.8) + 3x(0.2)

dire steppe
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oh you’re right

solemn pulsar
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so still less

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would need to look more into pom scaling, but the hits twice is powerful for high heat

dire steppe
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pom scaling is unreliable because ap2

solemn pulsar
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ah true

dire steppe
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the first pom is really big on zeus tho

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you can probably get one pom early before you pick up a second pommable boon

solemn pulsar
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also artemis is less useful on multihit weapons, since your main t2 boon is hunters mark, but adding chance for 1 crit doesn't boost damage that much i think?

dire steppe
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well in rooms you could alternate normal attack vs shield hit on separate enemies to keep triggering the mark i think, but i haven’t really tried that

solemn pulsar
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more tech basically, yeah.

true fable
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mark is insane

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but that makes sense

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im curious about baj's reasoning because ive heard him rate arty spec very highly in the past so i was wondering what changed

dire steppe
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i imagine it’s probably ap2 reasons

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arty special is op if you can get chaos +120% spec dmg

hearty dome
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do you guys play chaos with ap1 (ap2?)

shy gulch
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I do with ap1, esp if I have rolls

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ap2 ehhhhh

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not likely

true fable
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play chaos

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do you mean the shield

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or like take chaos gates

shy gulch
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oh

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I assumed taking chaos gates LOL

rain sedge
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isnt chaos shield really bad with ap2

true fable
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well

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i thought it was ok

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had a couple promising attempts die to easily preventable operator error

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on 50 heat with AP2

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i know hades3234 runs chaos with AP2

shy gulch
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yeah but hes like. good.

true fable
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rip

rain sedge
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I wonder why he's not pushing heat

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he did 50 as if it's a lark pretty easily

ripe crane
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Hello.... Gamers.........

rain sedge
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oh hello crepes

ripe crane
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Anything happening in Hades land?

rain sedge
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tail is king, baj is trying 61, astaos still playing GY exclusively, schad is still a casual

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nothing else I think

dire steppe
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after you clear 64 heat zagreus rules the underworld and you play as hades

ripe crane
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But then I'd have to use spear

dire steppe
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but you get all 4 aspects at once

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that’s op

rain sedge
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I heard if you cleared 64 SGG will grant one wish to the winner

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tail if you're seeing this, the correct wish is to rework sac mechanic and you know it

hearty dome
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even with ap1, i feel like it can really slow the next 3 / 4 rooms and make TD3 more difficult

rain sedge
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by the time you're taking AP2, or even AP1, it's probably already 50+ heat unless you're doing it for the bantz

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and at that point, you probably want 2-3 boons out of chaos, and can't afford to get a lot of the curses. statistically it's just not gonna turn out well for you

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I take it if I have to take a free room due to TD3

true fable
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any tips for 1 dash hestia

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im trying 53 but having surprise having 1 dash is hard

shy gulch
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yeah i usually take it for the free room

rain sedge
shy gulch
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also @true fable try just doing JS3 CP2 instead of RI3

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i was doing that earlier and its very doable

true fable
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really

shy gulch
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think i got to dad but died there

true fable
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doable as in

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you did it

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or

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ok

shy gulch
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i havent tried it much

true fable
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LOL mb

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yeah i'll try that

gaunt fiber
shy gulch
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i'm going to make a real push for 53 soonish

true fable
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hestia is now also my highest heat

shy gulch
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hestia is now also my highest heat

true fable
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literally everyone just uses hestia now i guess that's an update in hadesland

rain sedge
true fable
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hestia is the high heat eris

rain sedge
ripe crane
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It is tbh

gaunt fiber
true fable
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haha switch player

rain sedge
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crepes is excused since he's done higher heat hestia than my eris

shy gulch
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i just equipped hestia nd skelly says "nothin to it pal, just point and shoot"

rain sedge
shy gulch
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he's so right

true fable
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LOL

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you dont even have to point though

shy gulch
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LOL

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i kinda have to

dire steppe
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isn’t ricochet fire like op for hestia

ripe crane
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It's very good ya

dire steppe
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does the ricochet work with hunters mark

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
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pogU

gaunt fiber
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@rain sedge hestia is my highest heat

shy gulch
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ricochet is probably the best hammer for hestia yeah

ripe crane
shy gulch
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didnt haelian do blindfold

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idr

true fable
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i think there have been some blindfolded runs with chaos shield

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yeah he did

rain sedge
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I bet I can do eris blindfolded

ripe crane
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O wow

true fable
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blindfold hestia sounds like a fun experience

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eris blindfolded is just zag rail with less ammo sir

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LOL

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do you actually expect to have the buff

dire steppe
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cluster eris might work blindfolded

rain sedge
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with a surround headset I can follow the sound

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nah I'm talking nonesense idk what I'm talking about

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im out, cya gamers

dire steppe
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hmm is thee any way to hear the sound of legendary boon to pick the right one in blindfolded

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cause if so zag rail splitting bolt might just work

ripe crane
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I mean on 0 heat you can do anything

true fable
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it's true

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i did triple explosive shot tempest strike rama

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with a 10 god pool

shy gulch
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lmfao

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damn

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had a really good 53 run going

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but i got ZERO free rooms in elysium, even missed the midshop

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and half the rooms were unarmored sword / bow guys so they spawned like 500 of them

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died to timer at heroes

true fable
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that sucks

shy gulch
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i managed to snag hazard bomb from chamber 1 then piercing in elysium, even got an arty attack

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but cant do much abt room rng

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without patty the run was probably dead anyways im not good enough at dad fight for that

mossy zinc
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You'll want Excalibur for blindfolded runs because of magma.

vital grove
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Pray for Phoenix

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40 heat Eris 5 sack

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1:51 left on TD3

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1 DD left

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No sea storm

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No em4

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And...

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Go

tidal flame
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God bless

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Good luck!

vital grove
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Timed out

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Almost had him

tidal flame
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F

vital grove
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10%. F

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If it was anything other than a gods damned 5 sack...

rain sedge
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I'm surprised you timed out with 1:51 for no Em4 dad though

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on eris 40

shy gulch
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5 sack good god

rain sedge
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was your boons really bad?

gritty bronze
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@tidal flame thanks

vital grove
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It wasn't great

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I had lightning attack and heart flourish

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Tidal dash, Phalanx Shot, Artemis call

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Only duo was the great and powerful lightning rod

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I panicked when it was 10 seconds on the clock and took a bunch of laser damage trying to get him

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No sea storm. Had triple bomb and targeting

shy gulch
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yeah I feel that, I panic when timer gets low a lot too lol

solemn pulsar
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are you TD3 and EM4 at 40 heat? you could probably ditch one of those, unless you did both on purpose

vital grove
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How much damage even is it I wasn't watching

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When you time out

hearty dome
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it's 5hp/sec iirc

vital grove
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Ah yeah

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It was EM3, I just didn't dps enough

rain sedge
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you didn't take jolted?

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or just somehow not offered one? there's like 2 zeus boons there

shy gulch
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that happens, I’ve had several runs with dem or eris where I only got like one zeus boon

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it’s pain

vital grove
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I only had the lightning strike

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Lol

shy gulch
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F

mossy zinc
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Lord Zeus never shows up again after the first time in my runs lol.

vital grove
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I was looking forward to sea storm Smoldering air all game. :(

spring kettle
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Me trying to have a Zeus centered Lucifer rail run and getting a lot of aphrodite and athena instead (but aphro and athena both gave me their legendaries)

honest kernel
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When I'll basically get 4-5 boons max, I might as get the most out of them in a vacuum

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Even if Zeus Shield doesn't have much of a problem with DC, when the timer cuts it THAT close, I'll take any advantage I can get for room clears

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It's not like I lose out on much with Zeus Shield, scaling wise, since most of it will come from Skull Earing, which will affect both the base shield's damage and the lightning bolts

north dove
honest kernel
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^ Best face-tanking

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Don't @ me

rain sedge
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tbh cursed slash seems best on arthur

tidal flame
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What on earth

rain sedge
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retrash sir, will you continue to prove everyone wrong and do arthur at 55+ heat just because you can?

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o.O the korean guy submitted a whole bunch of runs in the name of "hadesprofessor"

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is he in this channel? did I miss it?

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it is the korean guy right?

shy plinth
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Sure looks like it

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His video titles are in korean

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Yeah it links his twitch

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Also "Nice to meet you all, please take care of me" on the sheet

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What a nice person

rain sedge
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@true fable he actually took our invite pog

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the madman actually does lambent plume start zag fist at 50 heat and rolled through with dio attack what in the world

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this man's crazier than I thought

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EM4????

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what!

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I fear for the day this guy actually tryhards high heat

honest kernel
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I'd love to see him push the heat

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At some point

rain sedge
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EM4 with melee is some retrash level finesse at this heat

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VOLUNTARILY taking ruthless reflext too

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I cannot lol, I really cannot

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TD3 too

honest kernel
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I think Ruthless is fine on fists, honestly

rain sedge
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why??

honest kernel
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Especially if you go for the dodge strats

rain sedge
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oh I guess he got greatest reflex

honest kernel
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It's not just damage - it's also another 50% dodge chance

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...

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You also don't need two dashes to do the DPS routine

rain sedge
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uhhh taking 15% gold per biome is also a weirdchamp one

rain sedge
honest kernel
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Did he max out CF

rain sedge
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yea max CF

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I always max CF and I need that gold at the start for UC

honest kernel
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To be honest ? Makes sense

rain sedge
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huh I didn't know about the extra dodge for ruthless reflex

ripe crane
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That's the important part of ruthless reflex

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Just discovered that if you are mirrorless and die with Skelly tooth, you can buy a DD but the icon will disappear after you transition to a new room. You will still retain the DD though

rain sedge
rain sedge
shy gulch
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yeah i found that out earlier in a mirrorless run crepes

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one thing i did not find out

rain sedge
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You might have found the RI4 64 heat tech

shy gulch
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is if you keep it if you change keepsakes

honest kernel
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Read again

shy gulch
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is that how it works?

honest kernel
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Shouldn't matter which one you pick even if disabled

rain sedge
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No, but depending on your deactivated mirror

ripe crane
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It was a DD, I did change keepsakes

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That must be why the icon disappeared

honest kernel
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The item doesn't show up in the well if your mirror's gone

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soooo

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And Skelly Tooth's considered a regular death defy

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But honestly ? Something worth testing

vital grove
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Hey I don't use JS much if at all, how bad is that 60% for TD?

honest kernel
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Very

shy gulch
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extremely

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it is Pain

honest kernel
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Timeout in Tartarus depending on the rooms kinda bad

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If you go TD3

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TD2 it's fine

ripe crane
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Also I just got some new dialogue with hermes about Skelly tooth and accidentally skipped it. Whoops.

honest kernel
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^ same

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LOL

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Like a few days ago

ripe crane
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I had stubborn defiance equipped but the styx item did give a DD

honest kernel
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Actually was more like a week

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But yeah

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Oh, so it doesn't matter

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cool

vital grove
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Am I imagining things or did Patroclus heal me for 30% on lc4

honest kernel
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Wat

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Probably imagining things

ripe crane
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I mean it might work. Has anyone ever taken anything other than touch of Styx to test it?

honest kernel
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The Hydralite Definitely goes down in effectiveness in hellmode

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Where LC1 is on by default

vital grove
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Maybe I was on lc2. Meh. Check the text next time you're there on Lc4?

honest kernel
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if it's a LC4 bug I swear

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But the text does change in Hellmode

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To say 22% instead of 30%

vital grove
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Cause my last run I was on lc2 and got him and it said 30% and it did heal

honest kernel
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Well, LC2 doesn't disable healing, it just halves it soooo

vital grove
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Right, it's 30% on lc0? I don't even remember

honest kernel
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30% on LC0, yeah

vital grove
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Mm. Does the text specify a %?

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I know it shows some numbers

honest kernel
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It does specify a %

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Actually let me do some hellmode runs

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Ello shared a savefile in the speedrunning Discord with missing Bounties, so I'll just get like 5 runs in

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For Zeus Shield

vital grove
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Hope you run into our boy Patty

ripe crane
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It says 30% regardless of your lc I think

honest kernel
vital grove
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Hm. Every time you can buy a boon or item that heals you, the number is adjusted with LC in mind.

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But Patty doesn't change the number.

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And I remember a heal coming in

honest kernel
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Woops

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Holy moly my Poseidon aid hits for 1.3K With Rush Delivery + Skull Earing + Wave Pounding + Billowing Strength lmao

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No patty this run

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WELP

dire steppe
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does poseidon's call move speed also work on rush delivery?

honest kernel
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Don't think it does ?

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ON HELLMODE

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Jesus

true fable
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wait wait wait wait wait

true fable
dire steppe
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doesnt that just convert your skelly dd to a normal dd

ripe crane
true fable
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technology 🤖

ripe crane
true fable
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hestia is also kinda hard with 1 dash

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im very used to having two

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LOL

dire steppe
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oh true switching keepsakes is cool

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cause yuou can get acorn or sperepoint

ripe crane
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It is hard. I just had three dashes and died horribly vs minotaur man. That felt bad.

true fable
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sad

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58 heat?

honest kernel
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This is 40 heat world record in Hellmode lmao

dire steppe
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gg

true fable
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ah 51 mirrorless

north dove
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Nice congrats

shy gulch
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lmao i feel baj

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damn 10:34 is good

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gonna have to work my ass off if i want to beat that

honest kernel
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Well it's off-record

dire steppe
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should be renamed to aspect of baj at this point

honest kernel
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So it's still Cgull's time to beat

solemn pulsar
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damnit baj always record!

shy gulch
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i actually also beat that time but wasnt recording if u saw

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but you totally lapped me

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a full minute ahead

honest kernel
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I WAS LEGIT JUST TRYING TO GET TO PATTY

solemn pulsar
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YOU DIDNT EVEN GET PATTY

honest kernel
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YEAH

true fable
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it wouldnt count for SRC but still super nuts

shy gulch
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LMAO

dire steppe
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wait your first clear was 10 min 40 heat on that file lol

true fable
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WYM just trying to get patty lmao

honest kernel
true fable
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did the hell mode things get fixed

honest kernel
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On the speedrun server

true fable
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or are they still toggleable

dire steppe
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how can you have a maxed file w/no clears?

honest kernel
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Once they were turned on, I couldn't turn them off

true fable
honest kernel
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But they were turned off to begin with so dusa

true fable
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ok i'll try it out

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resqtoaster's file isnt cooperating with me

honest kernel
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Also bounties aren't full yet

true fable
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cool

honest kernel
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Still need like 5 runs

solemn pulsar
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he said he'd fix it

true fable
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so you have 20 less health

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LOL

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i can just grind out the bounties

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reminds me of my younger days

honest kernel
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Ain't nobody got time for dat

true fable
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LOL

honest kernel
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But for real

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If he decides to fix it in the next few days I'll switch

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Otherwise I'll just do more runs

true fable
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makes sense

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i know he's pretty busy with that racing mod

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also the potential speedrunning mod

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i hope they revisit the hell mode rules though if the save is widely distributed

solemn pulsar
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he said it was like a 1 second thing

dire steppe
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isnt it 15 less health not 20

honest kernel
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15 less max HP

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Yeah

true fable
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you still get 5 health from dad

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:^)

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but yeah i think it's a cool decision that runners have to make

honest kernel
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Ah yes, wouldn't want to die to the surface fish now would you

dire steppe
true fable
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whether having the "free" PL heat is worth having fewer degrees of freedom

dire steppe
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on your 10th clear you can take damage from hazard bomb after the "fight"

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i'm not sure why

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but you can

honest kernel
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I've made an essay and a half on that in the speedrunning Discord lmao

true fable
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and it would be immensely helpful for 50+

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yeah IK

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i could write an essay about it too

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i hope we get it when bablo returns from the holidays

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i wonder when over 80% of retrash's clears will be with EM4

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probably already huh

honest kernel
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With TD2 pretty sure he always has EM4 on for 45+

hearty dome
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that's awesome

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does he stream some times ?

honest kernel
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Bablo usually streams, altho for the holidays he doesn't

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Retrash ? Don't think so

ripe crane
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Wait where do I get the stripped hell mode save

honest kernel
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Speedrunning Discord

hearty dome
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too bad
i'm impressed how consistent he is

honest kernel
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Ello offers the download

ripe crane
#

O sick

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Do I have to contact him directly?

honest kernel
#

No, he just has it in one of the Speedrunning Discord's channel

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As a message

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I can DM the message link @ripe crane

ripe crane
#

O cool, ty

rain sedge
#

I mean we know exactly why hell mode isn't in SRC

#

We've heard bablos explanation

shy gulch
#

what is it

rain sedge
#

And based on said explanation, I don't think it's gonna change

true fable
#

im p sure bablo's for it though?

rain sedge
#

And grats baj for world record

true fable
#

unless i misunderstood

honest kernel
#

In the Speedrunning Discord itself, we had some more discussions concerning that. Includes Jerds asking what are the thoughts of Hellmode over a normal mode savefile

rain sedge
#

Which since he runs Hermes cup, kinda holds a veto

#

He also asked the same question in this discord a few weeks or so ago. We gave him said explanation already.

honest kernel
#

We haven't had much of a response from him yet.

#

Actually was he active at all, outside of Hermes Cup ?

rain sedge
#

But as I said back then, as annoyed as I am with this situation, engaging in internet politics especially those involving internet moderators is a real quick way to unhappiness

#

Just my 2cents. I can be wrong, maybe bablo knows better

honest kernel
#

I think it's best to leave the convo as is for now

#

No point in going in circles for the moment

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Since whether they decide a new rule for it or not is probably not something they want to be public

true fable
#

and because of that i think the convo is worth rehashing, or at least bringing up again

#

hell mode is not something that is strictly better, whether at 40 heat or 50 heat

honest kernel
#

That, BTW, was done without a rule change being announced

#

Whether it was Reqtoaster's or ello's file

#

It was mostly a "Oh guess we could have this too in the resources while we are at it"

north dove
true fable
#

congrats retrash!

#

the heavy knucc

dire steppe
#

are talos cast builds remotely viable compared to the other cast weapons (beo hera pos achilles)

north dove
#

not really

true fable
#

not really? but theyre like ok?

dire steppe
#

never tried it but seems like applying debuff to everything = bad room clearing

true fable
#

its pretty hard to get it going

north dove
#

applying the buff is just awkward

true fable
#

its not like poseidon where you have it on every cast

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like retrash said applying the buff is super hard when it matter except vs bosses

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but

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that being said blackout talos is hella fun

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with like

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drunk strike

shy plinth
#

It's fun

#

It does not have consistent results

#

And even though there might be undiscovered potential there, it's unlikely to come near the current meta weapons even with a significant deep investment of effort

true fable
#

tidal dash and talos just have such insane synergy with 1 boon

north dove
#

breaking wave works with the pull and it's pretty fun

dire steppe
#

like pull enemy into pillar?

north dove
#

yep

dire steppe
#

gonna try doing 32 gilg with only bolt dashes

#

cause blade rifts too classic now

rain sedge
#

Tidal dash is the way to go

#

Imagine bolt dash with splitting bolt though

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With the other bolt dash

true fable
#

ez 4 boon build

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3 unforced

dire steppe
#

remember when bablo said “i'll give you my word that we'll get rid of that rule” :(

true fable
#

i still have faith

#

look its not set in stone

#

especially since the accessibility of a HM save is not an issue now

ripe crane
#

I would never have to take AP again

#

Wait I would have to take CP and JS tho

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Nvm game sucks.

true fable
#

LOL

dire steppe
#

getting offered this lol

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later offered the same 2 + rip current mfw

true fable
#

hades3234 thumbnail game is also on point

honest kernel
#

wow

#

That is SO on point lmao

mossy zinc
#

...

shy gulch
#

LMAO

#

that's so good

abstract wedge
#

hades high heat strategies

tidal flame
tardy path
#

They're doing this in every channel

#

It's spoopy

true fable
#

kind of unhinged

#

bit of a vibe

solemn pulsar
#

This channel can be sort of stressful. Can we get #hades-low-heat-strategies-to-relax/study-to ?

mossy zinc
#

No.

night mesa
#

in the any heat category for speed running, is that done on 0 heat

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or does it like not matter

#

like i see them saying sub 10 in game time is a good goal, but thats on 0 heat?

solemn pulsar
#

Most people will use either 6 or 9 heat for in game time runs, depending on the weapon. That’s EM2 to get the smaller Lernie arena, and FO1 or 2 to get enemies to spawn faster. In RTA runs people will also take at least TD1 to disable Tartarus survival rooms

night mesa
#

tyvm

vital grove
#

Yeah the TD doesn't matter really if you're speed running

#

Since your goal is to be a lot faster than even TD3

robust elm
#

what is TD ?

solemn pulsar
#

Tight Deadline

robust elm
#

Oh

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Btw, how are you going so fast

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Like

#

I have trouble for going sub 20

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Usally my runs are between 21 and 29 minutes, but i really don't know how to go faster

gaunt fiber
#

You'll play with TD3

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die from timer

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and then you'll be faster

solemn pulsar
#

Time mostly. Force yourself to try and go faster, identify why you're slow, if you're running away a lot, etc.

#

this will transfer to high heat stuff a bit

robust elm
#

Ok thx

rain sedge
#

there's the wriste guide as well

solemn pulsar
#

is that the one with jawless paul? don't see one on wriste's channel

mossy zinc
#

@robust elm

robust elm
#

thx

safe crow
#

strong drink or premium vintage at 32 heat? (im only doing LC1)
thinking the extra max health could be nice with SD but being able to essentially heal to full at the end of each area and the extra damage could also be pretty cool (still in tartarus so i'd be getting atleast +12% from the strong drink)

dire steppe
#

drink imo

ripe crane
#

I love premium vintage, especially early

dire steppe
#

premium vintage is cool with any amount of RI but otherwise you probably won't get any nectar anyway

safe crow
#

yea its a tough pick, i really like both of them especially so early

ripe crane
#

Drink would be nice with SD if you don't find patty

#

For the full heal before Hades

#

What rarity is the vintage?

safe crow
#

common sadly

#

so yea probably strong drink

ripe crane
#

Yeah low rarity is more detrimental to vintage

safe crow
#

tbf i might end up losing it anyway which could be annoying, i need to pickup atleast one more boon before the end of tartarus

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i need the only 2 other boons i have (aphrodite attack/dem special) so that i can actually do solid damage thanks to privileged status

ripe crane
#

mmmm gotta use family favorite

safe crow
#

damn it next room had a nectar lol

#

ok tisiphone dead, i also picked up a bad zeus boon so i can get rid of that, best start i've had in the last 5 attempts, thanks for that guys

ripe crane
#

I just suicided to tisiphone and got new Hypnos dialogue.I have a hard time believing I've never died to tisiphone before

vital grove
#

I've never died to that room lol, even on my first time there 😂

rain sedge
#

I went trawling through the dialogue game file and was surprised at how many I havent seen

ripe crane
#

I finally discovered yesterday where Skelly came from

true fable
#

i think i got that one in october lol

rain sedge
#

I'm surprised, I didnt remember I had to go out of my way to find this out

#

felt like it was quite seamless with the game progression

ripe crane
#

I never used the tooth. I basically only used butterfly and pom until I wanted achievements, then had to grind through runs with everything else. Always preferred collar to tooth prior to having butterfly.

rain sedge
#

I got some keepsake dialogue recently that I just skipped because I got so used to skipping dialogue

#

I regret those a lot

lofty burrow
#

Also the bothers in the temple of styx can beef out some serious damage with the attack modifier

#

50 each

solemn pulsar
#

It’s basically an RNG that’s usually fine but can absolutely end your run with no warning

true fable
#

td3 doesnt start ending runs until you get to 40+ imo

#

depending on your pact

vital grove
#

Yeah it ended one of mine, thanks 5 sack

rain sedge
#

I can still remember the time I got a perfect zag shield run at 40, and got 5 sacced, and TDed with 10% or so remaining at dad

#

still salty

shy gulch
#

pain

rain sedge
#

I believe I ragequitted hades and this server that time

gaunt fiber
#

I remember that

#

Sad Schad

vital grove
#

Oh yeah

#

Stubborn roots heals through tight deadline

#

Lol

#

Like it evens it out if you have enough max hp

#

I got 5 then 4 sack in a row on TD3 40

lofty burrow
#

Stubborn Roots is just a good duo

north dove
solemn pulsar
#

What did you take

north dove
#

I took cycle

mossy zinc
formal gust
gaunt fiber
#

yay trashing time

solemn pulsar
north dove
#

always be spinnin'

ripe crane
#

Speaking of spinnin', I'm gonna be spinning my wheels getting nowhere with 40 heat speedruns if anyone wants to watch

gaunt fiber
#

might lurk

true fable
#

pog

#

a crepes stream

mossy zinc
#

I somehow managed to throw all my 40 Heat runs yesterday.

true fable
#

it happens

mossy zinc
#

After throwing all my matches in SFV the day before.

dire steppe
#

now wondering if you can get rip current, sell poseidon call, and pick up another call and get the buffs

honest kernel
true fable
#

is that an f10?

honest kernel
#

Maybe ?

#

Seems inconsistent with the other healing items

prisma stirrup
#

Do yall work your way up the heats or just start at say like 30? Like do you beat heat 1, 2, 3, 4, .... So on?

true fable
#

i did

#

i wanted the bounties

mossy zinc
#

I did 1–20 with Malphon, then 32, then 41.

prisma stirrup
#

That's what I have been doing so far, on 5 for all weapons right now so yeah. But I've considered just doing heat 8 for ||skelly||

wicked sparrow
#

Spoilers are fine here.

#

Well, I went to 12-14 ish heat and then jumped to 32 because I wasn't really interested in grinding the rewards.

#

With all weapons.

hearty dome
#

Same
Up to 16 with bow, others around 10 14 (that gets me to the very end credit) then I aimed for 32 with all weapon before going any higher

#

To be fair, I felt that it was very slow at the beginning but the story kept me waiting

vital grove
honest kernel
#

Healing's definitely reduced

#

From other experiences

#

But that run I just took the jerky lol

#

Or was it the Touch ?

#

Eitherway, didn't pick Hydralite

gaunt fiber
#

It's kinda the same with bonus health from Chaos while playing GY. It displays the health gain before the 50% reduction

#

So in the end the tooltip is wrong

vital grove
#

We should F10 it

gaunt fiber
#

I did it weeks ago

vital grove
#

I guess they'll get on it for the next patch after the holidays some time

proud jay
#

is there any point in continuing my 40 heat streak at 48 wins?

gaunt fiber
#

yes

#

losing with triple jab winged serpent GY

#

(no)

proud jay
#

im kinda thinking about no god keepsake 40 heat

gaunt fiber
#

You should go 40 streak with EM4

#

You'll get good, then you'll streak mirrorless

#

Then mirrorless boonless no more rng

#

Then blindfolded streaks

#

Then one handed

solemn pulsar
#

You could start going up by one heat each weapon rotation

#

One every 24 runs would be too slow but every 6 could be fun

#

See where you break the streak

#

Probably rng based lol

proud jay
#

idk seems weird

gaunt fiber
solemn pulsar
#

Whatever you do you will forever be the 40 heat king

vital grove
#

Round up to 50

#

Then do 50 x 50.

tardy path
#

I think reaching 40 heat is like my minimum of when it becomes unbearably hard

sly remnant
warm osprey
#

I've beaten theseus twice now with single dash on 55 heat

#

so far

gaunt fiber
#

Ares is missing

solemn pulsar
#

Fresh file hell mode?

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah

vital grove
#

Yay. Finally.

#

Got the 40.

rain sedge
#

regarding our conversation of one shotting minibosses with stygian shard, did people already know this?

#

regarding the stone pillars being a "trap"?

gaunt fiber
#

yeah

#

I destroyed mid boss Asterius with pillars yesterday

true fable
#

yes that sounds accurate

rain sedge
#

cool so this is only news to me

#

isnt there some pillars at heroes?

true fable
#

also a fun fact

rain sedge
#

because one shotting ol' loudmouth theseus using a pillar sounds like a vibe

true fable
#

those pillars scale with global damage mods

#

apparently

#

other traps do not

ripe crane
#

I was so excited about pillars doing 2560 damage to Asterius yesterday that I died to him trying to make it happen

rain sedge
#

this sounds like how people play gilgamesh at high heat

#

try to use maim to get more damage --> lose more damage in the process of trying that --> die doing that

covert vector
#

can you recommend some youtube channel/streamers that discuss heats?

brittle sierra
#

got to heat 1, jury summons i guess

#

so like

#

i get new bounties at each heat per weapon, i follow that

#

but it doesn't skip, like if i go to heat 30, i can still go back and get bounties in heat 2-29?

clever otter
#

20 is the max, but yeah, it doesnt skip. you cant miss bounties

brittle sierra
#

nice, ty ty

mossy zinc
#

@covert vector check the pinned leaderboard for video links. A lot of the players on the board stream regularly.

solemn pulsar
#

For someone discussing heat up to 32

vital grove
#

Should I submit the 40 run for the spreadsheet? Honor system because I'm not really about videoing my gaming. I realize it's on the lower side of the spectrum. 😝

solemn pulsar
#

Related videos should take some from there

mossy zinc
#

Sure! If you have a screenshot, go for it. squirtnya

vital grove
#

Alright, I do

covert vector
solemn pulsar
# covert vector thanks

I recommend learning through practice and forming your own opinions after getting the gist of it though from a video or two

covert vector
solemn pulsar
#

Yeah

mossy zinc
#

Yes.

solemn pulsar
#

That’s more examples of runs than people talking about it though

#

Also useful, but in different ways

mossy zinc
#

But that's where you can find all the high heat players' channels.

solemn pulsar
#

A lot don’t have commentary

mossy zinc
#

Yeah.

#

But a lot stream regularly anyway.

dire steppe
#

every 1 heat should give +10% darkness so that we can get epic 3000 darkness win screen

#

just get oceans bounty and 3 chaos boons at 50 heat

rain sedge
#

maybe start with EM1-3 to get used to the bosses, and TD1-3 to get used to the speed

#

after that MM and BP for the different type of enemies I guess

#

then if you want to grind higher heat (40-ish), FO practice could help

gaunt fiber
vital grove
#

I have a 24 heat setup that I basically use as practice

#

EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, Td2

solemn pulsar
gaunt fiber
#

yeah exactly

#

words

vital grove
#

Words fail.

dire steppe
vital grove
#

DC is a good 2 points too depending on build

#

Even AP1 I guess

dire steppe
#

oh you said FO2

#

i didn’t read correctly

#

my 29 heat i use is HL5 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD2 DC2 LC4

vital grove
#

I think there's a good argument to be made for CF2 / AP1 for the 2 heat

dire steppe
#

i used ap1 js1 for zeus shield yeah

vital grove
#

Like AP1 might be easier than CF2

dire steppe
#

it’s honestly better to take ap1 than cf2 tbh

#

you get more boons

vital grove
#

Yeah it's quantity VS rng

#

I'd rather just have more boons

somber leaf
#

Chaos shield - what kind of build am I going for? this thing confuses me. aiming for 32 heat

dire steppe
#

td2

#

slow weapon

somber leaf
#

hm where do I make up my last 3 heat then... I'll have to mess with this

#

I meant more which boons though

shy gulch
#

I’ve seen ares and zeus on the special work well

vital grove
#

One of my least played weapons

#

No idea

mossy zinc
#

Chaos Aspect shouldn't have issues with TD3 at 32.

rain sedge
#

^ facts

#

just JS0 CP0 like you do

true fable
#

even JS1-2 isnt too bad with chaos

rain sedge
#

I put zeus on special IIRC, but I think people like dio?

true fable
#

people like zeus too

#

and ares

#

i want to play around more with aphro/arty

rain sedge
#

who even likes ares on special??

proud jay
#

it's ok

vital grove
#

Just had another 5 sack

true fable
#

retrash was doing some attempts with it seeded

vital grove
#

So this is 5,4,3, 4,3,5

true fable
#

i like it a lot too but i did my 45 with zeus special

gaunt fiber
#

That was the first advice I got on this discord : "run chaos with doom on special and Arthur with shackle"

true fable
#

and have been doing all my 50 attempts with zeus

rain sedge
#

what happened with doing it with beowulf?

true fable
#

i did it with beowulf?

#

idk

#

i could do it again

#

not sure what that would prove

rain sedge
#

soz my memory bad

#

I can't keep track 😦

#

getting old

true fable
#

i do want to do 53 at some point with beo

tough oracle
#

lmao i'm only at 10 heat

chilly sun
#

I was helping a friend with 32 heat today and like

#

i gave them some basic advice like not to take EM4 + dump more heat points in tight deadline and hard labor

#

And they send me a screenshot of their victory and they've taken. DOUBLE approval process

rain sedge
#

is this a hestia run?

chilly sun
#

Chiron!

true fable
#

...???

#

terrified

shy plinth
#

AP2 chiron is bold

true fable
#

i guess theres a few good specials?

#

idk

rain sedge
#

can you forward the screenshot for us

#

remember that guy who came in here for advice, and did his first 32 with zag sword or something?

#

this might be better than that

#

or the guy who didn't even know about the skelly statue lol

#

dude, chiron AP2?? even nya won't do it for a lark

#

like I guess if you plan it with some shackle shenanigans it can work, but damn

shy plinth
#

It seems suboptimal

chilly sun
#

oh WOW, zag sword?

#

And yea lemme

true fable
#

even with shackle thats not super impressive i dont think

#

especially since the arrows got big nerfed

chilly sun
#

apparently they switched to gun but i think it's eris

#

two heroic boons

shy plinth
#

They must be very good at not getting hit

#

Also, olympian favor/god's pride/fated authority

#

If they're this good at dodging damage with HL5 and HS on they should be able to push well past 32 once they get the speed down

chilly sun
#

Yes!!!

true fable
#

and use decent mirror options lol

chilly sun
#

They're a bit inexperienced but they have the talent!! :)

rain sedge
#

I mean, now that I look at the boon and weapon, I think the zag sword guy still won

#

this is basically an optimal eris run

#

also eris is free

compact vault
#

I had my first 32 heat clear. Boy was it intense.

#

My first ever clear was using the shield. This time, I reached 32 heat using the shield as well.

warm osprey
#

Wait, chaos rooms are free rooms?

#

I didnt know they were free rooms like shop and npc rooms

chilly sun
#

Yes!!!

chilly sun
warm osprey
#

Ive been trying to do 55 heat with hestia

#

Might as well check chaos even if I get a bad first boob

#

Boon

chilly sun
#

good luck!!

warm osprey
#

Ill need it

compact vault
#

I just can't handle tight deadline. It's so hard to dodge and hit occasionally when there is a time limit. Lols

chilly sun
#

chaos is good at high heat if you have rolls saved up

compact vault
warm osprey
#

Yeah it is then

chilly sun
#

Otherwise it's oof

compact vault
#

I can barely handle 32. :/

warm osprey
#

If I get it in the first area ill have enough time

#

Npc rooms are fat too

#

Especially eurydice

#

Its just a huge checklist

#

Hermes dash, Pat, 2 Sac, no armor rooms in elysium, good hammers

chilly sun
#

I can get up to 40-ish with Arthur, but it's very boon reliant so if I want to climb higher, I might have to try it something different.

true fable
#

it will add 1 to the chamber count

#

same with erebus

#

tis handholder you can def do higher

dire steppe
#

chaos trials when

true fable
#

you ran 40 with dc2 right?

chilly sun
#

Yes!

#

It requires a lot of seeding however

#

because. i really want that sweet dedge

#

And a lot of my damage relies on that + privileged status so if I don't have that the deadline will catch up to me probably

true fable
#

interesting

dire steppe
#

dash strike arthur meta

true fable
#

have you considered turning it off

#

rigged i cant tell if youre joking but dash strike arthur is kind of meta

dire steppe
#

we all know it’s meta but no one wants to do it

chilly sun
#

I might have to go for TD2 instead of 3

#

Also dash strike arthur is very sexy because Athena's dash

true fable
#

do TD2

#

it makes high heat much more forgiving

chilly sun
#

will do!

true fable
#

the fabled retrash pact TM patent pending

dire steppe
#

what if there was a chaos trial and it gave you one of the 3 attack/cast/special -HP curses

north dove
true fable
#

oh for sure i just meant it is certainly viable

#

if not optimal

#

since riggeds message made it sound like a meme

warm osprey
#

I feel like so many different setups can do 55 for hestia

#

Ideal is prolly richochet hazard bomb

#

Or cluster with rockets

true fable
#

did you get a good first boo(n)b

cobalt prism
#

I'm curious, has anyone beaten Hades at maximum possible heat yet?

true fable
#

no

#

highest is tailesque with 60 heat

#

unless youre including early access

#

i believe forgottenkane did 57 in early access

#

which was max heat then

wraith imp
#

yep. forgottenkane's run was routed but it was still very impressive. and that was with the star pattern chaos shield (which was easily the best aspect in the game back then).

proud jay
#

safest at least

true fable
#

i dont see how tbh but i also didnt play at that time

#

just the aoe room clear?

proud jay
#

it had better single target damage with zeus special

wraith imp
# proud jay safest at least

sure. but zeus special + jolted was kinda OP. and either double strike or high voltage just made it awesome for aoe

true fable
#

maybe i watch some vods from then

#

seems like the boss damage would be very mediocre though

wraith imp
#

it honestly still bothers me that the star pattern chaos shield was eliminated. that and charged flight hammer (for beowulf) getting nerfed (from 400 to 200) still grinds my gears when i think about it.

#

that said, i've grown to love rama aspect now (partly because of tail's and llama's runs).

dire steppe
#

what’s the pattern for chaos shield now

honest kernel
#

It's a shotgun pattern now

dire steppe
#

and that’s worse?

proud jay
#

the extra projectiles used to bounce if they didn't hit anything

true fable
#

wtf

proud jay
#

which meant both that they would kinda eventually hit something, and that they could hit a single target at different times, all of them proccing zeus lightning

true fable
#

sounds busted

dire steppe
#

so like zag shield special and zeus does currently

proud jay
#

or non-charged chaos shield special

true fable
#

dang i kind of wish they kept that for the shotgun shield

#

a lil bit

dire steppe
#

^

true fable
#

retrash cleared 45 heat tempest strike fists

#

there is no god

shy gulch
#

what the hell.

ripe crane
#

That's the power of TD2

tidal flame
rain sedge
#

retrash continue to destroy the meta just for the sake of it

#

it's only time until he does 57 heat zag spear

shy gulch
#

its in victory boasting

north dove
#

if I had a hard time on 57 nem there's no way in hell I'm doing 57 zag spear zaglol

rain sedge
#

.....I see that victory screen

#

retrash this is not okay and you know it

#

the EM4 is just there for maximum flex, I suppose?

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there's not even a wave pounding on it damn

sly remnant
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Retrash god

rain sedge
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one day, I will say 45 heat EM4 melee is "free win", and I would know I've made it in life

shy gulch
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lmfao

rain sedge
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the more I see the victory screen the more upset I've become

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I feel my self esteem shriveling and shrinking as I look at it more

sly remnant
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He is just better than us

rain sedge
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retrash, are you gonna push heat with "easier" aspects? I'm afraid of what will happen once you take your training weights off

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just like goku when he got off the high gravity chamber before going to namek, you must feel so powerful with all that EM4 training

ripe crane
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He already did 57 Nemesis, how much easier can it possibly get?

north dove
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yeah, I'm not Tailesque level

true fable
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instead youre retrash level

rain sedge
north dove
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literally the truth

rain sedge
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anyway, I look forward to the day you do 62 heat with a serious aspect

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and take your training weights off

honest kernel
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Mean-fricking-while I have to contend with the high heat beasts and I can only come close with Zeus Shield of all weapons

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Gonna have to grind 62 heat real quick

vital grove
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Zeus shield is great

rain sedge
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I mean baj, you are one of the high heat beasts

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you were king for a while, remember

vital grove
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Baj Shield

shy gulch
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Baj shield

rain sedge
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Baj shield

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you popularised a weapon all by yourself basically, that's pretty cool

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we look forward to your 62 heat

mossy zinc
honest kernel
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I swear at times I just wish I picked a less complicated weapon for high heat

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Like AAA

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... outbursts aside

vital grove
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Aspect of Baj has a very high skill ceiling

honest kernel
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I'll probably grind it for a few hours now

vital grove
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I'm sure you can do 63 with it

rain sedge
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What's AAA

honest kernel
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Me internally screaming

rain sedge
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Not 63, I think. 62 is the ceiling I think

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Ri4 LC4 is too much. I think ri3 is the max it goes

vital grove
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The Chosen One will do it.

honest kernel
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The only time I decided to go 61 heat with RI4 LC4, I got to Elysium

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I don't think it's impossible

rain sedge
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Tag me on the 62 baj shield victory screen please

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I think the EM4 makes it impossible

shy gulch
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RI4 LC4

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pain.

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how did u even get to elysium

honest kernel
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Zeus shield is one of the weapons that can dish out damage

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And remain safe

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It CAN do EM4

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But I'm such a nerveball when it comes to EM4

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Heroes accornless ? No problem

vital grove
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You just have to do it once

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That one time where everything falls just right and your epic Artemis special decides to crit a lot more than it should

honest kernel
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And I have like 10+ attempts that died to EM4 on 57/59 heat already