h1-high-heat-strategies

[mossy zinc]

You'll need a video of the run and show previous death for unseeded.

[solemn pulsar]

ah

[true fable]

both, they just go under different tabs

victory screen has to be considered seeded because we have no way of proving otherwise

[mossy zinc]

Victory Screen is pretty much just honorable mentions.

No way to verify the run at all.

[solemn pulsar]

i can probably photoshop a convincing max heat victory screen

[true fable]

i need to finish 45 achilles and soaker on recording or itll haunt me forever

[mossy zinc]

It's there for players who can't record or had a recording accident or whatever to at least be able to put something on the board still.

Or maybe players who didn't know about recording yet for the leaderboard.

[true fable]

like when you just recorded halo for 2 hours instead

[mossy zinc]

The meta leaderboard is unseeded and requires a video that shows your previous death.

[vital grove]

Thanks.

If I luck into any higher heats like that I'll put them in as honorable mentions

[hot granite]

why majority of people pick eris for runs?

[mossy zinc]

@shy plinth did @proud jay's streak at 40 get removed from the Multi-Run board somehow or was it just not submitted yet? I thought I saw it on there before.

[shy gulch]

yeah I put my winscreens on that page before I figured out how to record

[mossy zinc]

They don't. Eris is the #1 pick for speedruns but not for high heat.

[proud jay]

Not submitted yet

[mossy zinc]

Ah okay. Thought it accidentally got removed somehow.

[solemn pulsar]

though i do want to see how good eris is at 50

it breezed through 40 first try when i did it

[vital grove]

How do you record?

[shy gulch]

did you just use the classic zeus attack splash dash?

[solemn pulsar]

feel like as long as i get lightning strike start it finishes

yeh

[shy gulch]

I just stream via streamlabs and save the broadcast on twitch @vital grove

[solemn pulsar]

@vital grove I use OBS, it's very simple, and I record every time I play basically, and delete the recording once i'm done if there wasn't anything good in it

if there was i cut the video and upload to youtube

[shy gulch]

once I fiddled with the settings w the help of people here, lag almost entirely disappeared so I’m basically set

[true fable]

eris does still feel very strong as long as you adjust your playstyle accordingly to the buff duration change

[formal gust]

just got to hades at 45 with hestia. died

[true fable]

F

[shy gulch]

F

I’m probably gonna do some 53 hestia runs later today

[true fable]

i did 44 eris when the patch dropped on a whim but want to return to it

[shy plinth]

I haven't touched multi-run

[shy gulch]

feel like I can definitely get 53 w a bit of luck

[formal gust]

im pretty bad at this high heat stuff lol

[shy gulch]

it’s hard lol

[solemn pulsar]

You’re very fast though

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, bablo just wrote he hasn't submitted yet. All good.

[true fable]

cin youve spent the past week grinding zag shield anyheat

its to be expected

takes some time to adjust again

you did 45 heat beo dont count yourself out yet

[shy gulch]

damn I still need to do that

[mossy zinc]

Zag Spear tier list. https://imgur.com/a/Z7Oqwf4

[chilly sun]

ive been getting a lot better at higher heat :> heho

[vital grove]

Oh you're able to tell each boon from the icon

They just look green to me 😅

[chilly sun]

SAME,, then again im not very well versed in the spear

[waxen relic]

I can't but it should be sth like flurry, serrated then exlosive and that special bounce at the top

[mossy zinc]

Flurry Jab > Exploding Launcher > Chain Skewer and Serrated Point.

And all the rest in F.

Wait, not Vicious.

[waxen relic]

ah well close enough for me

[shy plinth]

Getting a coaching for a few hours on wriste's channel if anyone wants to hang out

[mossy zinc]

I need feedback on my tier list.

[true fable]

i dont think explosive launcher is that good on zag spear sadly

[mossy zinc]

Okay.

[true fable]

i think its just flurry jab and serrated s tier and everything else is kind of sadness

LOL

[mossy zinc]

S tier lol.

[true fable]

well

were talking s tier for zag spear here

[mossy zinc]

https://imgur.com/a/3Uk2KGn

So like this?

Serrated higher than Exploding Launcher and Chain Skewer?

Like this then. https://imgur.com/a/wIrTIIC

[true fable]

i think so

[mossy zinc]

Alright. Looks good.

[true fable]

that sounds right

the zag spear discourse has really taken over recently

[daring hedge]

Charged skewer is weird too, because in a vacuum it's bad, but if you can last until elysium to maybe pick up exploding launcher, it makes exploding launcher good

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but that's . . . bad.

[daring hedge]

With their power combined, charged skewer and exploding launcher create... a higher tier placement

[tidal flame]

Flurry over all else?

[mossy zinc]

They're good together. But the fact that you need Charged Skewer first and also get Exploding Launcher just makes it bad imo.

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[daring hedge]

Yeah I'm mostly joking anyways. I really wish that combo wasn't dependent on skewer first

[gaunt fiber]

It just works

That's how you play Hades anyway

[tidal flame]

Why? Is that with Lightning Strike build?

[daring hedge]

or deadly strike

[mossy zinc]

Or any Strike tbh. At least you'll do low damage fast instead of low damage slow.

[daring hedge]

The way it handles dash-strikes is pretty amazing too

[vital grove]

When you divine Dash strike, you're invulnerable for the dash duration yeah?

[mossy zinc]

No.

[vital grove]

Do you stop deflecting when you attack?

[mossy zinc]

Nope.

Deflect doesn't give you i-frames.

It gives you a deflect box, and anything that's deflected by that can't hurt you.

But you still have a hurtbox.

[vital grove]

I noticed that with Lucifer for example, your deflect box as you put it, seems to be the origin point of the beam

So right in front of Zag. The rest of the beam doesn't do anything.

[mossy zinc]

Yup.

[urban crater]

Been a while since I checked high heat runs and apparently not only did someone match my old record, they beat it, unseeded even

@daring hedge you're a god dude

I'm gonna run for 63 heat start of next year, lets see if you beat me to it though lmao

[true fable]

wait what

forge10 what was your record

[urban crater]

57

It was held until earlier this month

Mind you this was before 1.0 though so less pact options

Not super relevant tho

[true fable]

ah ok so max heat

[urban crater]

Yeah it was max heat then

[true fable]

back pre 1.0

still huge

[solemn pulsar]

heat changed a bit on 1.0 release right?

[true fable]

i started with 1.0 so i dont know the history really

[solemn pulsar]

like some stuff got changed

[urban crater]

I was aiming for 63 post-1.0 but the first two updates broke my routes (I run seeded)

[solemn pulsar]

TD was way harder, didn't roll over time

[urban crater]

And I've been extremely sick this year

Though Tailesque has lit a fire in me

What an absolute god

[urban crater]

My 57 heat run ran over the timer and I nearly died on Hades after a 4 sack LMAO

[true fable]

oh so nothings changed then lmfao

just pray for patty and 2 sack

[urban crater]

I mean I routed a 2 sack but I messed up the route in Elysium so Styx was totally unrouted

[true fable]

ah gotcha

[daring hedge]

Hey kane!

[urban crater]

So when are you going for 63?

Also, the Rama tech was what I was working on post-1.0

Its great, glad to see Chaos shield was dethroned

[daring hedge]

Lol no clue but one dash/no SD puts true fear in my heart

I'd be grinding for greatest reflex and then making sure I make like, zero mistakes lmao

[urban crater]

I've done a 63 heat run in practice but the Very next day the patch went up and killed my route, its definitely something to get a hang of

One dash is doable, though you want Hermes real bad for a second dash

[daring hedge]

Yeah, it's mostly EM4 I want that extra dash for

[urban crater]

EM4 on max heat is straight up impossible with one dash

I tried

Lmao

[daring hedge]

My 57 had one dash and it was pretty fine esp with hyper sprint

[urban crater]

You need Hermes to give you a bonus one

Hyper sprint is op

[true fable]

YOURE KANE?

ah ok it clicked

yeah em4 without greatest seems painful

[daring hedge]

One dash and then getting butterfly ball summons too

[true fable]

lol

[urban crater]

[true fable]

no powershots for you

[warm osprey]

yo

if I got a eurydice with a heroic

what happens if I upgrade rarity

[daring hedge]

Heroic can't go higher

[warm osprey]

so I get nothing?

[daring hedge]

So nothing

[warm osprey]

dayyum

ty

[gaunt fiber]

your aspect switches to Guan Yu

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/FjCwkzU

I have no idea of what i'm doing

[shy gulch]

u click reload u click shoot

u win

gg

[north dove]

44 on hestia nice!

[gaunt fiber]

Hestia is similar to Guan Yu

don't @ me

[true fable]

youre right

one just has a chad health total

but which one?

[gaunt fiber]

which one indeed

This is so unfair

Like I have 30 runs of Hestia and I can achieve 40+ like this

[true fable]

:^)

the astaos GY betrayal arc is coming i can feel it

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

I played the run so bad too

Shackle all the way because why not

[true fable]

im gonna try 45 nem

[gaunt fiber]

Blade dash did all the work through tartarus and aspho

[true fable]

if anyone has any fun ideas feel free to chime in

[formal gust]

You could try watching my stream

[true fable]

are you still going?

i'll watch

i just got off work

[formal gust]

No lol

[gaunt fiber]

just call us buddy

[true fable]

im thinking owl pendant or the retrash purse

[gaunt fiber]

@sly remnant thanks dude

[true fable]

???

[gaunt fiber]

for the reaction

ok he's drunk

[true fable]

oh lol

nice level 4 cast btw

[gaunt fiber]

thanks

Pom power

[formal gust]

Wonder if I should just get the easy 40 heat aspects out of the way

[gaunt fiber]

yeah suffer later

first is GY

[formal gust]

I’ll do GY 40

Easy

[gaunt fiber]

I'd say it's not that hard

but I may be biased

[ripe crane]

GOOD idea

[formal gust]

I had a lot of difficulty with hades 40

I couldn’t do it

[solemn pulsar]

gotta spin

[formal gust]

I’m trying

[gaunt fiber]

The only problem with GY HL5 FO2 against dad

is that you die in two hits

[formal gust]

I got to heroes

Zag spear is straight up easier 40 heat than hades

[gaunt fiber]

Not really?

[formal gust]

I expected hades to be just easier zag spear

But man I was wrong

[true fable]

you cant get flurry jab

automatically makes it harder

[gaunt fiber]

what

Hades is a spear that works alone

[true fable]

if youre not streaking that doesnt really matter

[formal gust]

Also idk why but

I do better on Hestia 45

Than Hestia 40

[solemn pulsar]

wat

[true fable]

you are tilted off the face of this earth?

[gaunt fiber]

my highest heat is Hestia and I have to live with that

[formal gust]

What’s new

[gaunt fiber]

what's your 45 pact Cin?

[formal gust]

Shackle stuff

Ap2

I got to hades with it

[true fable]

astaos why havent you pushed GY

[gaunt fiber]

Because it's not that much fun

I'd rather 40 streak than 50 GY

[true fable]

ok fair

[formal gust]

Feel like I’m just banking on Athena DD with Hestia

[true fable]

really?

hestia is so safe

[formal gust]

I am bad at hades fight lol

[true fable]

like you just dont have to interact with 99% of the enemies in the game

[gaunt fiber]

But I will clear GY 50 because I said I was going too

[true fable]

the only enemies that can attack you are like

wavemakers

and archers

[gaunt fiber]

maybe it'll be mirrorless who knows

[formal gust]

Hades tho, I just get so greedy

But there is no reason to get close to him

But I do anyway

[true fable]

right

F

[gaunt fiber]

You should run blade dash then

[formal gust]

Maybe after Hestia I should finally learn Zeus

Have baj backseat me in chat

[daring hedge]

[true fable]

helped me

tailesque

you cannot convince me that thing is any good

[formal gust]

I mean it’s easier to high roll zag spear

[gaunt fiber]

Honestly

[formal gust]

You should have seen the stream tho

[true fable]

also you have the same heat cleared with both therefore they must be similar in strength

[gaunt fiber]

Spin dash with Hades and there you are, best aspect

[daring hedge]

I have several 50+ runs with it in video form

[formal gust]

I felt like I did a good job on positioning

[daring hedge]

Can that convince you

[formal gust]

With the spin

[honest kernel]

I can also attest to my experience

[true fable]

i have seen those videos

[formal gust]

I mean it’s tail, he carries the weapon

[honest kernel]

That Hades spear is strong

[formal gust]

Clearly

[gaunt fiber]

nah it's really strong

[solemn pulsar]

whats your 40 pact for hades?

[true fable]

i dont think i get that weapon

[formal gust]

I almost get it

[gaunt fiber]

especially when it turns into GY mid run

[shy gulch]

im with bright, i have no idea how to play hades spear

[formal gust]

I kind of got the hang of it

[daring hedge]

Dash spins and keep em mini 90% of the time

[formal gust]

But I really just need exploding launcher to make meaningful progress

[true fable]

tailesque guide content when

unironically would be fun to see you coach someone through a hades spear run

[formal gust]

Me

[true fable]

i have never seen another person say it's good

[gaunt fiber]

Imagine having a guide for each aspect

[formal gust]

[gaunt fiber]

slam then into #h1-builds-and-combat

[daring hedge]

Lol someone else wanted me to do voice guides for high heat

[gaunt fiber]

kill the channel

[formal gust]

Please

[gaunt fiber]

Is that someone that DMed you?

[formal gust]

I know a video editor in the speedrunning discord

[solemn pulsar]

guan yu 50 heat guide: astaos screaming

[formal gust]

Some aspects warrant a guide, some don’t

[gaunt fiber]

GY 50 is like 40 with more BS honestly

[formal gust]

It’s hard to teach someone how to be good with aspects

Most of them come down to a basic combo

[gaunt fiber]

except if you're a EM4 boyo tho

[daring hedge]

Some comments on my vids iirc

[gaunt fiber]

oh ok

[formal gust]

Do it tho

Please

[gaunt fiber]

I got dmed by someone who wanted high heat advice too

[true fable]

i'll do a quick hades run if you wanna educate me

[gaunt fiber]

Poor guy

[solemn pulsar]

do a text write up then do text to speech for the video

[true fable]

before i dive into the hellscape that is 45 heat nemesis

[formal gust]

45 heat Arthur instead

[daring hedge]

Just get dedge ez

[gaunt fiber]

"Hello it's Tailesque, your god and savior"

you should start like this

[true fable]

pls

[daring hedge]

That sounds more like nyaanyaa

[gaunt fiber]

true

[true fable]

45 heat arthur seems infinitely worse than 45 heat nem

[gaunt fiber]

I'm influenced

[formal gust]

Maybe one of us streams and we get into a discord call

To talk about hades spear

[gaunt fiber]

v o i c e c h a n n e l

that would be fun to experience

for like 40s

[solemn pulsar]

voice channel: astaos screaming

[gaunt fiber]

LMAO

[true fable]

just get in the voice channel

[gaunt fiber]

Even the good cgull is bullying me

[solemn pulsar]

voice channel: cgull bullying

[shy gulch]

speaking of nem 45

I think bright watched one of my miserable attempts

I just do not know how to dodge the furies attacks while you try to hit them

you have to get so close

[honest kernel]

You time your dashes without attacking

That's how you do it

And the reason why high heat sword's risky

[shy gulch]

half the time I can’t even see what the furies are doing LOL

[solemn pulsar]

god sword is my worst weapon

[shy gulch]

mine is anything not called hestia

[honest kernel]

I don't blame you when Tisiphone blinds you lmao

[shy gulch]

yeah lmao it’s rough

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I think I know that feeling

[honest kernel]

But otherwise, they are ... predictable enough

Looks at Alecto with her instant-speed attacks

[shy gulch]

Alecto is by far the hardest fury for me

I got too accustomed to using hestia, the furies are easy money w hestia

but anything else? I get owned

[honest kernel]

That'll happen

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I got like 3-4 tries to get that Hestia run

I was shocked at furies fight

[honest kernel]

Same thing for me when I started going for 40+ heat on other weapons

"How do I do boss fights again"

[shy gulch]

lmao

exactly

[gaunt fiber]

Hestia just does not care

[honest kernel]

Takes a few runs

[gaunt fiber]

and destroys bosses

[shy gulch]

lernie is still a bit tough

since there’s just no room

[honest kernel]

High heat lernie spooky

[gaunt fiber]

blade dash carried me so

[shy gulch]

ah nice

[solemn pulsar]

yes hello can i please only take off EM2, you can leave 3 on, but just remove 2 please

[gaunt fiber]

I used to be scared of lernie too

[honest kernel]

With Zeus shield I'm rarely worried nowadays

When going against Lernie

[shy gulch]

that’s fair, zeus seems really good at that fight

[honest kernel]

Yup

[gaunt fiber]

acorn

[honest kernel]

mini-heads tend to stay in place for a while

And they are at about the range you want for the special to stop on them

Otherwise you just melt the main head

[gaunt fiber]

tyler you ok?

[north dove]

why does achilles spear auto lock to pots did a quick double tap and got yoinked right into one

RIP streak

[gaunt fiber]

Not only Achilles my friend

it's annoying sometimes

But i've never tried to disable auto aim anyway

Say Retrash, is your 45 heat setup the same for all aspects?

[north dove]

pretty much, the only things I change are JS and DC depending on the aspect

[gaunt fiber]

Is this EM4 tho

[north dove]

always

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

I should learn this fight

maybe with an aspect that struggles a bit

lmao

[solemn pulsar]

trying out twitch as a recording venue tonight, going live to try some high heat stuff as a test, link in #self-promotion . lmk if the stream is working ok lol so i can tweak it

[daring hedge]

Beo is actually good at EM4 tyler stop

[gaunt fiber]

he's trolling

Maybe it's time for EM4 Zag spear

[formal gust]

Rama is nutty

[shy gulch]

@true fable the first run i changed from DC2 to JS3 + CP1 i got flurry jab and crystal beam lol

i found JS3 + CP1 more manageable than DC2 though

[slow viper]

Guys, I already have max hearts with hades, thanatos, meg and Charon, and still havent received the ability to summon companions against him

am I missing something?

[shy gulch]

tried 45 heat beowulf with EM4

i got to hades then got absolutely wrecked

need to practice that fight with double forced overtime

[true fable]

did you get achilles

[true fable]

barthacus i think it just unlocks once you complete main story & epilogue? not sure

can someone confirm?

also @shy gulch you can do like max range perpendicular dash strikes to dance out of furies range

maybe i'll make a paint diagram in a bit if im feelin it lmao

you do it a lot in first run n stuff

congrats on the achilles btw

just saw the post

[shy gulch]

thank u

also i'll try and work with that, sounds interesting

i might watch some retrash vids to see how he does it

beowulf im starting to get more of a feel for which is nice

[honest kernel]

@shy gulch You might be interested in what I posted in #self-promotion

[chilly sun]

what's the heat WR for Arthur :O 50?

[honest kernel]

50, so far

From Retrash, if I recall

[chilly sun]

I see! Thank you

Idk if I'd ever be able to beat that but it's my favourite aspect so i might as well try yknow :>

[honest kernel]

If you want to give it a shot, go ahead

[daring hedge]

Hades3234 also has an arthur 50 up

[honest kernel]

Oh ? Nice

[true fable]

yeah

both just absolute gamers

they should relish it before tail gets it in his head to do 51

[honest kernel]

Actually, what is Tailesque's next move

After that 60 heat, turning on RI3 sounds ... super frustrating for Rama

Assuming EM4

[chilly sun]

I think they're going to get the max heat world record at some point

[honest kernel]

Oh that's gonna take a while

Even for Tailesque

Mirrorless EM4 with TD3 and all the modifiers to slow you down

AND make you have to play near perfect

[chilly sun]

oh it's going to be piss definitely

maybe not today or tomorrow.but someday

[honest kernel]

3 months minimum, and I'm being generous here

It's STUPID hard

[chilly sun]

i don't know if the mods even meant for it to be beatable

[tribal eagle]

It's wild looking at the pinned recommendation for 32 heat and seeing just how different mine was

[honest kernel]

32 heat is still plenty flexible

It's crazy

[tribal eagle]

Ye

I had TD0 (although my clear I could've used TD1, but the previous run died to it)

I just cannot play fast

[true fable]

i think tailesque could do 62 soon

depending on when he feels like playing greatest reflex roulette

[honest kernel]

^

[true fable]

im starting to make thumbnails

considered going the tailesque route and making serious thumbnails

but i dont think thats my brand at this point

[solemn pulsar]

i figured no one is really watching the vids unless they're linked on sr.com or something so i never even thought about it

[gentle bridge]

is there an official place to get the game assets for thumbnails and such?

[true fable]

i dont think so

i just downloaded the zag from the wiki lmao

[gentle bridge]

ayt

[mossy zinc]

The SGG website has some art you can download.

[formal gust]

Just do ms paint thumbnails

Like my one 3 weapons

[true fable]

i posted a quick pixlr thumbnail in #self-promotion

[formal gust]

“Nemesis 45 hotness run pog”

[true fable]

i thought it was pretty good

[shy gulch]

yeah i like ur thumbnail a lot actually lmao

[formal gust]

Should I stick with the ms paint thumbnails

Maybe try to draw the aspect

[true fable]

lol thanks croven

put about 5 mins into it

[gentle bridge]

thumb's pretty good

[true fable]

i should change the beo 50 sometime soon

need to think of soemthign

something moist

[shy gulch]

mosit

[true fable]

pain

[shy gulch]

lmao

[formal gust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392070250511728653/792623510597009438/image0.jpg

[true fable]

LOL

[formal gust]

My masterpiece

[shy gulch]

LMAO

that's beautiful

[gentle bridge]

art

[formal gust]

That was my first RTA run

In hindsight I should have switch the colors of the bg and the text

But I think this works

Ok I think I’m going to upload the zag rail clear and try to draw it

Tomorrow though

[true fable]

lol i fixed the beo 50 thumbnail too

pixlr is so low effort

must be nice being nyaanyaa

you can use the same thumbnail over and over again

[formal gust]

I mean

YouTube does that for me

Asphodel

[true fable]

LOL

[formal gust]

Even in 3 weapons

It’s asphodel

[true fable]

aight i lost the plot cin are you strimming hades spear or no

[formal gust]

Tomorrow yes

[true fable]

😦 i have work again

pain

[formal gust]

I can get out of Tartarus semi consistently now at least

[true fable]

thats the hard part

the rest is smooth sailing

[shy gulch]

screw it i'll try hades spear 40 again

[true fable]

LOL

[formal gust]

Heroes and Tartarus are the only hard parts

[true fable]

exactly

dad is EZ clap until you turn on that pesky EM4 thing

[formal gust]

Hades shouldn’t be too hard if I am calm

Which is easier said than done

[true fable]

hades is a tough weapon idc what anyone says

[formal gust]

Like I could safely stay out of range of his spin

But my brain has other plans

[shy gulch]

serrated point: obtained

[true fable]

pog

[shy gulch]

downside: i am garbanzo beans with serrated point

[true fable]

croven are you online

[formal gust]

Me too

[shy gulch]

i can stream if you want

im not rn

[formal gust]

Serrated is a cruel mistress

[true fable]

pog

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/galavant-queen-hells-yeah-oh-yes-gif-9964372

[shy gulch]

alright, i'll stream

[true fable]

LOL

if only i could use lady aphro for my thumbnails 🥺

[mossy zinc]

Lady Aphrodite.

[shy gulch]

@true fable online

[gentle bridge]

you cant use her on the thumbs?

[true fable]

check nyaanyaa's thumbnails lmao

i think you can

[gentle bridge]

i really think i have reverse streamer rng

https://imgur.com/a/KlMkeUd

this is hestia 40 heat first try, last night i couldnt even get past tartatrus on anything

[true fable]

getting divine dash ricochet piercing aint bad for AP1

[mossy zinc]

Zag Spear best aspect. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/792675571624181770/Hades_1285.png?width=768&height=432

[true fable]

oh my god

imagine what you could have done if you picked a good attack

:^)

[mossy zinc]

Don't make me block you.

[true fable]

LOL

[mossy zinc]

Look at all the lovely Duo Boons I got thanks to her.

[true fable]

im attributing those to crush shot

[mossy zinc]

I started with Epic Crush Shot.

Heartbreak Strike DPS is amazing.

23/24 sub 12.

Now on to Zagius.

[true fable]

zagius...?

zag sword?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

Zagius, Zagratha, Zaegis, Zagronacht, Zalfon, Zaxagryph.

[true fable]

tag yourself im zagronacht

actually wait

i take that back

i hate that weapon

[shy gulch]

what!!! its a good weapon

frick u

[true fable]

zag bow

[gaunt fiber]

@mossy zinc really nice time

[mossy zinc]

Thank you!

[tidal flame]

Yeah 8 is really nice!

[true fable]

im thinking i should get around to that GY death compilation

[mossy zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/792690960932929536/Hades_1289.png?width=768&height=432 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/792690974769020928/Hades_1290.png?width=768&height=432

[shy gulch]

impressive, congrats!

[mossy zinc]

Thanks!

[gaunt fiber]

Do it

[mossy zinc]

That's just @gaunt fiber's stream.

[gaunt fiber]

Everyone dies

You witch

[mossy zinc]

Timed out by like 20 seconds at 32 mirrorless shield.

[shy gulch]

aw thats the worst feeling

unfort

[gentle bridge]

sub 12 all, awesome @mossy zinc

[mossy zinc]

Thanks!

[gentle bridge]

whats a good way to save the seed? i got a good one right now and i dont mind doing a seeded 40

[mossy zinc]

Just back up Profile1.sav in ...\Documents\Saved Games\Hades.

That's the permanent save at the House of Hades.

[shy gulch]

aaaaa so close to 45 w zeus shield

[mossy zinc]

Go go!

[shy gulch]

died to second half of phase 2

i got a tooooon of zeus boons so this one was just bad play in the hades fight

[mossy zinc]

That's where I timed out with Hades at like 15% maybe, yeah.

Also Zeus Aspect.

Cursed aspect?

[shy gulch]

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel why you curse the aspect so no one else can win with it?

[shy gulch]

i need to get better at learning when to bull rush

[mossy zinc]

Y u do dis?

[honest kernel]

Oh no they figured it out

ABORT

[gaunt fiber]

The good thing about GY

You don't have to curse it, people think it already is

[honest kernel]

That's because it is. It's a permanent Chaos penalty

[gaunt fiber]

Each time you get hit, you lose HP

[honest kernel]

No, each time you try to do a spin you get hit

That's the penalty

Otherwise known as the "Why did I take FO2 with that weapon again" penalty

[shy gulch]

lmao

[chilly sun]

got double edge first hammer

[shy gulch]

alright @honest kernel , you're redeemed

i have beaten 45 w zeus shield

zeus call + zeus shield is fantastic

it builds up so fast

[honest kernel]

Wait I didn't remove the curse yet

How did you-

Nevermind it

[shy gulch]

lmfao

i need to experiment with other builds

i just keep using zeus on zeus shield LOL

[honest kernel]

Artemis special is a good malleable start

[chilly sun]

good job!!!

[honest kernel]

Deadly Reversal, Heart Rend, Splitting Headache

If you get Zeus, you go call synergy stuff. If you get Poseidon, go all-in on their damage boons. Ares you can go for his cast

Or his attack, and go generalist. Same for Demeter

Otherwise, you can always do Merciful End lol

[shy gulch]

I still feel like such an amateur w the zeus shield it’s insane to me that I got 45

what an interesting aspect

[honest kernel]

It's one of the aspects with the highest skill ceiling in the game

I'm not even close to it yet personally

[shy gulch]

yeah I’m definitely gonna play more w it

feel like I can push 50 if I get more practice

same w Beowulf really, another shield I need to work on

my problem is mostly that I run out of time by not utilizing the special for DPS properly enough, and then not using the bull rush to escape danger properly

[chilly sun]

wishing a swift sudden rush/ferocious guard upon you

[honest kernel]

nvm this message

[chilly sun]

which pun :0

[honest kernel]

Wait wrong term

Frick

[shy gulch]

lol

quick question baj

I’m starting ur speedrun vid, why do u go max LC with SD?

[honest kernel]

Skull Earing

I equip it in Elysium

[shy gulch]

oh dang

now this is a strat

[honest kernel]

Not sure whether to run that or Sigil yet

Post Asphodel/when I don't need to use God Keepsakes

[shy gulch]

right, makes sense

[honest kernel]

I might go Sigil just for the High Confidence boost early

The mirror trait, obviously

Since I run Thick Skin with SD otherwise

[shy gulch]

yea I was wondering if you were considering high confidence

[honest kernel]

I can keep it up for a while

... Until I enter a Chaos Gate

[shy gulch]

ok I can’t tell from watching

are you constantly recalling and then rethrowing the special against bosses to keep it near them?

[honest kernel]

Yup

[shy gulch]

ok, figured

that makes sense

[honest kernel]

Special -> Quick Bullrush -> Recall

[shy gulch]

I kinda did that against the furies by happen stance but didn’t really manage it against dad

[honest kernel]

It's a good, safe rhythm

[shy gulch]

interesting

[honest kernel]

It's possible, even against EM4 Hades, to maintain a constant pace for that routine

[shy gulch]

that must make explosive return super good

[honest kernel]

Hmm Hmm

[shy gulch]

yeah no I just wasn’t thinking about a rhythm, only did it against furies by mostly coincidence

lmfao it’s so funny seeing tempest strike bull rushes just send enemies flying across the whole screen

in asphodel

[honest kernel]

The Yeetening is always fun

[chilly sun]

It's funny until a witch is in the lava and you have to walk through the lava to kill her :(

[shy gulch]

so it’s looking like to me you send special, bull rush enemy, recall special and then pick it up by bull rushing through it? I think this happens a lot but it’s hard to tell

from just watching

[honest kernel]

Sounds about right

[shy gulch]

alright

yeah there’s just so many ways to use the special, you weren’t kidding when u first told me it was super flexible

like a few weeks ago

[honest kernel]

Throwing it out while charging a bullrush to stay safe, then to go on the offense after it's reached a good distance, going ham with dash attacks and basically dual-welding the special like you are fists, Set it up like a death zone for you to throw enemies in/to catch enemies while they are moving ...

That's just the surface of what it can do

And it doesn't lose out on damage - as long as you are good enough to keep the special on enemies as much as you can

[shy gulch]

yeah my special was away from enemies like 70% of the time bc I missed and still managed to escape with JS2 DC2 TD3, it definitely does not lose out on damage

man this is an incredibly smooth elysium

[vital grove]

I also like to throw it at one enemy, rush through another, recall, dash past an enemy and slam it into the shield

[chilly sun]

I'd be very interested in seeing how you guys use the shield, we don't get enough aegis streams out there

apart from chaos shield

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/624f5e052ba764b4221d2f6993c6f02c Swag Strats are also something I need to investigate more

[shy gulch]

hm I think one of my issues is that I don’t recall my shield enough, I kinda just toss it out. looks like you have a very frequent rhythm of either recalling -> rethrowing or recalling and running around with it behind you

[honest kernel]

What happens with most people is that they throw the special, and just focus on the rest of the screen

And, to be honest, it's hard to do so consistently

Having a consistent routine of throwing the special, after a second, check where it is, and figure out if I recall it or not has helped me a ton

When I'm not using it to just cross-over enemies for quick bursts

[shy gulch]

I either do that, or throw it at one enemy and focus on that one enemy but let it travel too far so it just misses

looks like in Tartarus u can kinda just toss it out and focus on somewhere else since they die quickly tho

[honest kernel]

I'm actually a bit guilty of this with Charged Shot lol

Still need to optimize that hammer more

[shy gulch]

not later but at least early

[honest kernel]

I actually have a decent idea of where enemies could spawn in Tartarus

So if I see the disc in one of those places, I'll be tempted to leave it there

And kill stuff in the meantime

But if you run Shackles or start with a special boon, you likely won't need to leave it on enemies for long

They die in like 2-3 hits

[shy gulch]

right

makes sense

[honest kernel]

Asphodel has and will always be my bane

[shy gulch]

also would u have forced artemis if you couldn’t get her on the special? or were you more looking for any good percentage boon on the special

what was the idea behind the build going in

[honest kernel]

For that run ?

[shy gulch]

just finished the video, very impressive stuff

yeah

that one specifically

[honest kernel]

Hmm

Let me recheck

But generally, if I didn't get a special by then

I'd have forced Zeus

Just for Sea Storm

[shy gulch]

that’s what you did for asphodel

[honest kernel]

... I might have mixed runs up

[shy gulch]

lmao

[honest kernel]

Oh, you mean if I didn't get the special in Tartarus

I still would have went Zeus

[shy gulch]

so if u get Poseidon attack and no special yet, you would just force zeus on the special then go sea storm?

after tart yeah

[honest kernel]

With Pulverizing Blow, that'd be the plan

[shy gulch]

right

[honest kernel]

But if I see Aphrodite or Artemis, I get the special in there, and go for Zeus dash/aid

Otherwise, Zeus special

[shy gulch]

makes sense

I’ll have to try these builds out tomorrow

very interesting stuff

[honest kernel]

Poseidon Start is very much an experimental build lol

Artemis special build is my tried and true consistent strat for 40 heat

I can hit constant 12-13 minutes IGT with it

[shy gulch]

arty special is one I wanted to try yeah

arty special, aphro attack or dash, heart rend?

[honest kernel]

That's the most powerful one

Dash is ideal, however

Since you can still get Athena attack for Deadly Reversal

But on Attack it's fine too

[shy gulch]

oh true

alright fair

yeah I’ll try that out tmrw

[honest kernel]

Drunken Dash is legit if you don't mind dashing all over enemies too

Opens up Splitting Headache nicely

But Dionysus Attack or Aid is what you want, ideally

If you see him early

[shy gulch]

dio attack? that works here?

[honest kernel]

Yup

Dionysus attack is solid numbers

[shy gulch]

felt like zeus attack is too slow for it

[honest kernel]

Even with just 1 pom

Shield attack in general can be just fast enough to get max stacks

I actually have a high heat win that uses it, if I recall

[chilly sun]

dio is great on the shield

[shy gulch]

oh wow

yea alright, lots to try out

[chilly sun]

definitely!!

[honest kernel]

my 55 heat audio-less video (Still salty on that one) picks it up in Elysium

You max out the stacks somewhat fast, but not to the point where you'd overflow in a second

That's the ideal case for Dionysus

Also works well on non-Flurry Jab spear

[gentle bridge]

even on seed i still get rekt on my 40 heat. i think i can only attempt these a half hour at a time, else i giga tilt

but i really want that zag fists/plume run

[vital grove]

Baj you do any Chill Shields?

I really like doing that, it does a lot of damage and instantly megaslows the thing

Since it damages every 0.3 seconds

[warm osprey]

damn no 2 sac

2:30 left feelsbad

[true fable]

i could be wrong but i think his 57 may have been w chill shield

it was either 55 or 57 cant recall

[warm osprey]

getting good extra dash boon luck

today

[true fable]

i wonder what the odds of getting extra dashes with AP2 is

something single digit i imagine

[mossy zinc]

100% at 52.

That's been my experience.

[true fable]

[dire steppe]

100% with Gilgamesh

[lusty mirage]

streaming some bad 40 heat guan yu

[gaunt fiber]

Pog

I'll join when I can

[mossy zinc]

You'll join in streaming some bad 40 Heat Guan Yu?

[gaunt fiber]

You're so lovely Nyaanyaa

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/galavant-madalena-mallory-jansen-yes-yeah-gif-16036365

[warm osprey]

getting extra dash with rerolls

feels like sub 10%

[mossy zinc]

11.1% with Beowulf, Hera, or Stygian Soul and no Call nor Movement Speed bonus are your best odds.

[raw crystal]

guys

what to do vs armored chariots

with 40% move speed?

[vital grove]

Face them head on and assert dominance.

Or run away screaming like a headless chicken.

(the answer depends on your weapon)

[raw crystal]

other than the shield i dont think theres a right answer

[gaunt fiber]

I use terrain

and dash over it

again and again

[raw crystal]

is sword good? aspect of nemesis

[true fable]

sure

[raw crystal]

dunno if im a fan of the slide

[true fable]

slide...?

[raw crystal]

the thrust slide

[true fable]

like the dash strike?

you dont usually want to do the base attack combo

the dash strike is just the thrust without the windup or endlag

anyone have a link to the call dps spreadsheet

[mossy zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gm04kroX-p7lMNSmNcFdKCw4mmff-5i83QsKVwOBNDA/edit?usp=sharing

[true fable]

thanks!

[rain sedge]

hmm so dio and poseidon are best calls

[true fable]

zeus looks good 2

that dio damage is always more than i expect

[shy gulch]

yeah dio’s call is actually p good

I don’t see the point in the greater call since u can only stack 5 times anyway but the lesser calls are nice

[true fable]

yeah the greater call is < lesser call ironically

might have to reeval how i rate zeus vs dio call

[dire steppe]

dio greater call should be 6x damage instead of 6x duration

[shy gulch]

I think that’d be way too much honestly lmao

[true fable]

a very strong hangover

does anyone have that image of the 400 damage hangover tick lol

[dire steppe]

isn’t it basically the same as using lesser 5 times

[chilly sun]

BEAT 40 HEAT WITH ARTHUR EHEH

[true fable]

pog

congrats!

[chilly sun]

thank you!!!

[true fable]

with DC2 as well are you insane

[chilly sun]

posted my clear in victory boasting

hehehehhehe

[true fable]

how

[chilly sun]

seeding, i will admit

not extreme but yeah

[true fable]

no shame in that

for dedge?

[chilly sun]

yeah!!

arthur is kind of reliant on it at higher heat, at least in my experience. it's the only really good hammer

[true fable]

also why dont you have gods pride maxed haha

[chilly sun]

honestly i think i forgot

or i had no darkness

[true fable]

LOL

[chilly sun]

i think the funniest part of the run was like

[shy gulch]

@honest kernel how do you deal with theseus on his chariot? that always takes me a while

[chilly sun]

getting to eurydice, having 3 boons. praying she will get my epic attack to heroic, it's a 2/3 chance. she makes my dash heroic instead, i am now running aspect of gilgamesh

[shy gulch]

also congrats, 40 w arthur is nice

[chilly sun]

thanks!!

[true fable]

lol i ended up doing 40 arthur with heroic dashes or smth

[chilly sun]

ihrfiuhwerufhur amazing

i wanna get higher but im not sure if i can manage this without privileged stays

status*

[honest kernel]

Yeah he's a pain. Depends on my hammers, but generally I tend to try and see when he'll stop, and damage him when he's open

Asterius' easy to manage

[true fable]

is it worth trying to keep up with him w bullrush

[honest kernel]

Yes

[true fable]

thats what i do w chaos/beo

i see

[honest kernel]

Depending on your hammers again

Special won't stick to him ever

But with Minotaur Rush, damage's worth

[gaunt fiber]

Alright Zeus if you're reading me can you show up and give me jolted thanks

[chilly sun]

zeus voice sorry man im uhh cheating on my wife

[true fable]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

does not matter I'm dead

Asterius strong

[mossy zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/792872895344410674/Hades_1291.png?width=765&height=430

[gaunt fiber]

that's an amazing attack boon

[mossy zinc]

I know, right? Best attack boon.

[chilly sun]

hehehehe

40 heat run clearers 🤝

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations on yours!

[chilly sun]

thank you!!

[mossy zinc]

Wonder if AP1 UC0 is faster than AP2 UC.

Or maybe AP1 CF0 UC.

[true fable]

i was gonna say thats fewer boons than i expect with ri0 then i saw the cf2

i was running AP1 when i did some short speed tries

not sure if its faster but its probably most efficient

er

[mossy zinc]

Previous run that I threw, I had to sell Heart Rend three times.

[true fable]

i meant that in reverse

not sure if its efficient but its probably faster

[chilly sun]

oof,,,,,

[true fable]

F

what about the other two boons?

[chilly sun]

am i the only one who like constantly gets parting shot and i obv dont do cast builds so its free gold

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, Divine Dash, Greatest Reflex.

[true fable]

nah i sell parting shot all the time

[chilly sun]

its so funny

[mossy zinc]

Wasn't gonna sell those lol.

[chilly sun]

stubborn roots too, i don't think it's ever been a lifesaver

[true fable]

stubborn roots is terrible

[chilly sun]

with max hard labor, at least

[true fable]

48HP/min is just abysmal

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm. AP1 CF0 or AP1 UC0.

[gaunt fiber]

it's an amazing Guan Yu boon

[chilly sun]

ooooh yeah that sounds about right!

[true fable]

LOL yeah you regen your whole health bar in 1 minute

incredible!

[chilly sun]

also taking stubborn defiance was a lifesaver i can play like an idiot to catch up to the deadline

[ lunges at flamewheels ]

[mossy zinc]

Let's try AP1 CF0.

[chilly sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/792869640090943518/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

oh here is my clear btw

[gaunt fiber]

failed to suicide in lava because I'm not used to the hp pool

[chilly sun]

i wish the hydra and pillar miniboss a very die

i hate them so much

[tidal flame]

Double Edge Arthur is too big brain for me.

[chilly sun]

im not sure if thats a joke but try it out sometime!!

dash-strikes on arthur mean more athena dash + quicker attacks

[rain sedge]

I couldn't ask a better boon if I seed every room tbh

6 dashes, chaos attacks, etc

[chilly sun]

honestly, RNG blessed me

though i only seeded dedge

[gaunt fiber]

I can imagine myself saying that

nice run I only seeded charged skewer

[chilly sun]

it's high heat im allowed a bit of memeing. as a treat

[gaunt fiber]

sure thing

[true fable]

oh yeah its all comin together

forreal though that is a lot of purple chaos haha

[chilly sun]

all of chaos boons were generic, actually!

i only took chaos for the timer anyway

[gaunt fiber]

maybe it's a bad habit but I don't take chaos gates often

[chilly sun]

i kind of had to because of tight deadline

[shy gulch]

almost got fists 45

but 4 sack 😔

[true fable]

sad

[shy gulch]

i had enough time but i kinda needed patty buff

also got cucked out of DD by athena again

[chilly sun]

[true fable]

you really love that emote

[honest kernel]

I can only imagine harshing someones vibe to feel superior but okay

[gaunt fiber]

Sorry I really need that to feel alive

[chilly sun]

i think the crying cat emote is the only emote. god bless

also pls don't do that jokingly!! I'm asking u kindly sjdnjdjdjd

[true fable]

?

[mossy zinc]

wut?

[true fable]

on an unrelated note, some interesting info in #speedtech in the speed discord about enemy spawns and how JS interacts with them

[mossy zinc]

I saw that. But it doesn't really change how you play.

[gaunt fiber]

yellow circles = enemies

enemies = kill

more yellow circles = more kills

[mossy zinc]

Hrm. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/792887501517619210/Hades_1293.png?width=765&height=430

[gaunt fiber]

I tried Demeter today

died in Ely twice

it's quite exciting to play

that surrender sure is sweet

[true fable]

it doesnt but it can and should change how you value JS

[mossy zinc]

Not really. I have enough experience with JS.

[gaunt fiber]

JS is a good experience when at 0

[true fable]

ok

let me rephrase

i will be recommending JS2/3 less

that is all

if that has no bearing on how you play the game, good for you

[solemn pulsar]

What will you recommend in their place

[true fable]

not sure

need to thenk

[chilly sun]

jury summons is,, Bad with TD

forced overtime is good with melee tank builds because itb makes fights quicker

[rain sedge]

wanna screenshot the tech here @true fable ?

not that it matters too much for a casual, but just curious

or just DM me

[true fable]

i'll DM

[vital grove]

JS is a no from me dawg

Hey, which cast type do you prefer on Beo?

3 casts or 3 sec cast

[true fable]

depends on your cast

[mossy zinc]

@vapid folio congratulations!

Stupid 4 sack. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/792910518066610186/Hades_1294.png?width=765&height=430

[north dove]

Triple butterfly ball spawn ruined the streak on Hades spear 😦

[mossy zinc]

Aww.

[lusty mirage]

45 heat streak? how many aspects?

[north dove]

Hades spear was the 6th one

[shy gulch]

ok

i do not know how yall use the sword

this is such a foreign concept to me

[gaunt fiber]

I don't

problem solved

[shy gulch]

tempted to just try poseidon sword for 45 so i dont have to actually play the sword

[gaunt fiber]

it's an option

but 45 with cast should not be that easy

[true fable]

can confirm cast with 45 is kind of hard

[shy gulch]

i literally cant even get out of tartarus w nem sword at 45

im so bad

well tbf i havent gotten double edge yet

[shy gulch]

@north dove have u practiced EM4 fight a lot? ur beating it with HL5 and FO2 relatively consistently with a variety of aspects

very impressive

[north dove]

Yup, thanks!

[mossy zinc]

What even are the odds of getting 4-sack 4 times in a row.

[next marsh]

@mossy zinc 1 in 16 for getting four 4 or 5 sacks in a row

1 in 256 for getting 4 4sacks in a row

[mossy zinc]

...

[true fable]

pog

still a phenomenal 4 sack time

if only there were a 4 sack leaderboard

[opal token]

What is a 4 sack?

[mossy zinc]

Oh right, the one I posted was also a 4-sack. That's 5 in a row then.

I've had enough for tonight.

@opal token Satyr sack in tunnel #4.

[true fable]

rip

[opal token]

Thanks! And at higher heats do you have to get a 3 sack in order to actually kill hades before time and that’s why you are lamenting your luck

[true fable]

nyaanyaa was trying to speedrun, so getting a 4 sack kind of kills any hope of a phenomenal time

and yeah at higher heats you usually want around 3-4 minutes to beat superdad

[mossy zinc]

5 runs on pace to beat the current 40 record, and all 4-sacked, and the other runs got Tidal Dash in like late Asphodel or no hammers and silly stuff like that lol.

Starting to lose my focus, too.

[true fable]

rip yeah a break sounds nice

also i got hades3234 to submit their runs to our spreadsheet

so now we have a somewhat comprehensive repository of all high heat clears

they submitted 20 runs

[mossy zinc]

Nice!

[true fable]

including a 50 heat stygian beowulf one 👀

half flood flare half dio cast

[north dove]

The more, the merrier

[true fable]

retrash you have company at 50 heat arthur

[north dove]

yeah I saw

[true fable]

i opened the spreadsheet and was like "dang thats a lot of runs"

[mossy zinc]

65 50+ Heat runs on the leaderboard.

Not counting seeded/unverifiable.

[true fable]

jesus really

very healthy scene

[mossy zinc]

From 10 different players, if m not miscounting.

[true fable]

i count 11 but still

[mossy zinc]

Oh right, can just check the Player Index.

[true fable]

v good

[mossy zinc]

11, yes.