h1-high-heat-strategies

[tidal flame]

are you testing zeus spec on zeus shield?

[true fable]

yee

do you think it could be pom blossom stuff?

[honest kernel]

Up to level 10 with a bunch of pom blossom procs

Still nothing, without a damage boost

Will test with Skull Earing for a damage boost

[tidal flame]

• Pom Blossom: now actually works. We dropped the ball on this one, sorry folks.

[honest kernel]

... Still doesn't do weird numbers like that

Is it really Family Favorite ?

[true fable]

that still makes 0 sense to me

fam fav is just a flat global % mod

right?

[tidal flame]

AMIRRRR

[true fable]

have we been lied to

level 9 heroic

or 8

it's still consistent

[honest kernel]

Lvl 18

Still consistent

...

I swear if it's Explosive Return

[true fable]

when are you gonna admit you gameshark

[tidal flame]

lmao

[true fable]

but maybe explosive

i'll check

got it

hmmm

not a huge thing

stated value was 102

on the tooltip

consistent 99 instead

will continue pomming

[honest kernel]

on 105

Still nothing

It's one of those things : Family Favorite, Chimera Jerky from the Charon Well, Explosive Return, Pom Blossom

My bet's on Explosive Return

[true fable]

seems fine

[honest kernel]

...

[true fable]

i have explosive

[honest kernel]

I really should have F10'ed that one

[true fable]

working fine

[honest kernel]

Try getting the Charon Well special damage boosting item ?

That's my last guess

Like, how the heck does this bug even happen

[tidal flame]

when are you gonna admit you gameshark

Jk

Not sure what happened there either. Do you think rarity matters?

[honest kernel]

I was at common in best cases

[tidal flame]

What's your rarity right now?

Ok

[true fable]

k got a jerky

im at heroic

was consistent throughout

[honest kernel]

@true fable Do you have Family Favorite on

[true fable]

no

mirrorless

[honest kernel]

Hmm

[true fable]

consistent with jerky

[honest kernel]

Let the Jerky fall off

And report back

[true fable]

still the same

level 20 heroic thunder flourish

sigh

[honest kernel]

Is it really family favorite ?

[true fable]

baj

did you know that the explosive return

procs thunders

in its radius

like if anything is in the explosive return radius it gets struck

even if the shield doesnt hit it

[honest kernel]

Explosive Return range is massive

lmao

It's deceptive

Between a dash and a dash and a half away, from my estimates

[true fable]

so around 5-8 zags

in the parlance

im not even purposely getting 5 sacked but its happening lol

yeah it seems fine

wyd baj

spill ur secrets

[honest kernel]

So uh

I can't quite seem to replicate it on my end

It's wack

But I found another Zeus shield tech

So you know how if you throw the Shield special on a wall, it tracks to a nearby enemy to hit it ?

Same thing happens here

With Zeus shield

[tidal flame]

So this tech can be useful against Hades?

If he stands next to a wall?

[honest kernel]

In Styx, it should allow for easy shield special placements

So you can then Wallslam stuff

BRUH

This is actually so cool

[true fable]

pretty neato

[true fable]

i think KB stuff vs dad is always just very niche tech

it's very hard to wallslam bosses

[honest kernel]

Oh that Wallslam thing was for Styx rooms

But With Poseidon Special ?

You actually push bosses around a bit

So if you play it right, you could get wallslams lmao

[true fable]

yeah ive gotten wallslams vs dad

its just not

uh

like it's not worth purposely forcing

[honest kernel]

My Poseidon Special start with Breaking Wave abuse says 👀

[true fable]

LOL

[dire steppe]

what if second wave for hades wall slams is the next meta

[honest kernel]

I actually like Second Wave for that kinda build

lol

[true fable]

i had second wave for my 50 heat clear lol

[honest kernel]

Also testing Special speed from Hermes

It might affect the travel speed too

[true fable]

it does

very minorly

though i only had 10%

[honest kernel]

Is it minor ?

[true fable]

try resetting for 30%

[honest kernel]

Even on 10% it feels like a bunch

[true fable]

hmm

really?

[honest kernel]

Let me test it out by selling it

I'll have 2 easy gifs to compare

[shy gulch]

@true fable should be back up

[true fable]

coo

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/be3874ef8c14da71160e06696faf859f

Oh woops

First link is with special at +10%

Waiting a bit so that the bot doesn't kick me out

https://gyazo.com/373913c0eb74e3d0c347178a762246f6

Without

It's actually somewhat impactful

And that's with a common special

If I see an Epic Special from hermes, I'll play around with it for sure

Also the Hermes buff image still shows up

[true fable]

wait thats huge

[honest kernel]

I really wonder what it's like at epic now

With Poseidon Special, this could get VERY spicy for anyheat stuff 👀

That alongside the Special Bounce Tech

[true fable]

this is big for the 1 person who grinds zeus shield anyheat

wait thats you

too much?

[honest kernel]

tsk

[true fable]

LOL

[honest kernel]

So

Niche techs aside

When I go back to the high heat push, I'll mess around with Artemis or Zeus special start

Probably Zeus special

Also I got the scaling damages down for it

Base common : lvl 1 30
level increment total
lvl 2 +12 42
lvl 3 +8 50
lvl 4 +6 56
lvl 5 +4 60
lvl 6 +3 63
lvl 7 +3 66
lvl 8 +3 69
lvl 9 +3 72

Any level after that seems to also be +3

[mossy zinc]

Yup. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rain sedge]

retrash 50 heat arthur 👀

wtf

[gentle bridge]

yeah such a madlad

[rain sedge]

if you put thunder flourish on rama, does the enemy get hit by special get hit by the bolt 3 times?

or is the internal cooldown mean they can only hit the bolt once

[ripe crane]

Once

[rain sedge]

Thanks crepes

[lusty mirage]

but thunder flourish seems popular lately on rama (speedruns)

[ripe crane]

Once is still fast. It will hit the other enemies once also.

[sly remnant]

Rama special tracking is very forgiving. Apply lightning + jolted on a room with one button is pretty good

[vital grove]

It's great since it bounces around too

I love chill on it tho

Anyway, yesterday I got probably the worst 32 clearing build of all time 🙄

Twas demeter aspect with...bit of everything

Thanks RI1 AP1

[rain sedge]

RI1 AP1 on 32 👀

[sly remnant]

dem fists are fine with AP1. you just need lightning attack and arti special

everything else is nice to have

[true fable]

heyo congrats @shy gulch

sorry i fell asleep during your sick hestia gameplay

[daring hedge]

60 heat vid is up in #self-promotion

[rain sedge]

wtf the attempt before the success was super close too, just died to TD basically

[true fable]

thats kind of the ultrahigh heat brand

dying to timer

[chilly sun]

managed to get to the final boss on my first try with the twin fists on 32 heat! i know some people consider that trivial but im very happy

[sly remnant]

congrats!

[chilly sun]

thank you!!

[daring hedge]

That's not trivial at all, well done!

[chilly sun]

thank you sm!!

[rain sedge]

artemis start instead of shackle 👀

[rain sedge]

nowhere near trivial, it's very hard to melee dad

show us the victory pic, congrats!

[chilly sun]

thank you!!!

it might take me a while to get there but I'll make sure to do so :)

[rain sedge]

once you get fist the rest are easier

(except for sword)

although 32 is free on poseidon, I guess

[chilly sun]

my first 32 heat clear was with Arthur, haha!

[rain sedge]

oh right, there's that strat too

@daring hedge is the deadly attack even more dps than shackle? because to my calculation it's not

or are you just doing that so you avoid things like drunken strike?

[sly remnant]

arti good

[daring hedge]

It is way more damage with triple or twin shot and scales better with other hammers I want like point blank or perfect

Arti good

[rain sedge]

ah, because crit is multiplicative, shackle is additive?

lmfao a room of savour skulls

bless you tail

[daring hedge]

Exactly

Lol

[rain sedge]

I dont think it's better with triple or twin shot though, since it's just multiplicative of your damage too

[daring hedge]

More chances to crit combined with a high chance to have additive damage from other sources by the end

Including a whopping +150% from another hammer

[sly remnant]

also things like skull earring and strong drink

[daring hedge]

Also, like, ideally I do not want shackle taking up my keepsake slot lmao

[true fable]

crit scales better with literally anything that will boost the base damage

[rain sedge]

ah yea this

[true fable]

so chaos, global modifiers, etc

hunter dash is a biggie

although obvi not a consideration here

[rain sedge]

foxman has like 90% powershot rate

not including the one that he intentionally not do to kill weak enemies

or just cant because he has to dodge

[sly remnant]

there's just no situation where you can pass up damage at 50+ and the thing that likes damage the most is arti

[spring kettle]

So ideally you have an attack boon that’s better than shackle so you don’t have to resort to equipping it

[rain sedge]

rerolling to get quick recovery lol

I can't believe this is the run that you got the kill

[true fable]

it happens

that's AP for ya

[rain sedge]

we should be having a watch party for the 60 video

[true fable]

some spicy info from ponywarrior

hades HP data

base is 17k while em4 is 22k

add another few K for CP

[spring kettle]

For his phases combined?

[rain sedge]

I can see tail is starting to regret that god trial lol

damn watching this video is so fun

[true fable]

nah

each phase lmao

[spring kettle]

I see tail also fears Aphrodite in trials

[true fable]

so this is why ive seen 8.4 k max on beowulf

[rain sedge]

was not megging power couple intentional? damn

or just forgot?

[chilly sun]

doing heat 32, do i take rush kick or kinetic launcher with aspect of demeter?

[rain sedge]

dont people hate rush kick

[true fable]

kinetic launcher imo

rush kick is good with gilga

[rain sedge]

kinetic launcher is the haoduken right?

[true fable]

not sure about others

yeah

[rain sedge]

yea

[chilly sun]

i love rush kick but also hate it so yeah!

[true fable]

i love kinetic launcher

[rain sedge]

I seem to remember people hating rush kick

[true fable]

other people think its ok

[rain sedge]

kinetic launcher give you a range option for random stuff

[chilly sun]

kinetic launcher time

[true fable]

S tier hammers on dem are probably explosive upper and breaching cross

flying cutter is apparently very good

but i havent tested it for myself

[rain sedge]

what's the range attack one?

I like that one

[true fable]

long knucc

that ones probably A tier ish

[daring hedge]

intentional; felt i could get them quick enough to warrant saving a meg charge

though by the end i had extra megs lol, so oops

i personally don't like flying cutter on dem fists that much

[true fable]

yeah its mostly nyaanyaa propaganda convincing me

it sounds pretty good in theory

[chilly sun]

is poseidon special okay on dem? i dont like knock-away but its the only percentage based god ive met

[true fable]

i also like kinetic launcher a good deal more than others

i wouldnt do it

who else is in your pool?

[daring hedge]

you really want artemis special on dem the most

other than ME shenanigans

[true fable]

^

[chilly sun]

zeus, dio, athena

[true fable]

do athena

[chilly sun]

ok!!

[true fable]

🙂

[daring hedge]

poseidon special is rather counter-intuitive because of how you can knock enemies away from you as a fists user

[true fable]

poseidon on anything but dash sort of is

[daring hedge]

yeah 😔 lmao

[true fable]

unless youre running flood shot talos or something

tempest strike fists is at least entertaining though

[daring hedge]

i will say that, even though it's not good, twin shot rama tempest strike is very funny

[vital grove]

I had doom attack, nothing/late demeter special, divine Dash, epic Phalanx and ares call

[daring hedge]

the knockback is massive

[chilly sun]

i like it on rama helps you keep a distance!!

wkehiowje yeah its funny

[true fable]

@daring hedge i had triple shot tempest strike in my 45% FF damage run

[daring hedge]

was the knockback enormous

[true fable]

huge

absolutely incalculable

[daring hedge]

do you know if second wave replicates the same magnitude of the first knockback instance?

or is it like, a set amount

[true fable]

i uh

honestly dont know

i was wondering

if the triple shot tempest strike

applies like

[shy gulch]

nobody takes second wave enough to know

[true fable]

vectors

[shy gulch]

lmao

[true fable]

that cancel out

[shy gulch]

how would they cancel out

[true fable]

but i dont wanna waste ellos time with that question

ok

so first vector directly forward applies X knockback

second vector 60 degrees to the left applies X knockback, but really 1/2X knockback in the same direction

[daring hedge]

ah yeah i see

[true fable]

since the third vector 60 degrees to the right applies X knockback, but 1/2 X knockback in the same direction as well

with the other portion canceling out the second vector

you see

isnt this such useless theorycrafting

[shy gulch]

oh you just meant the side vectors

then yeah probably?

[daring hedge]

oh lord hades3234 also did arthur 50

[shy gulch]

epic theorycrafting

damn

madlad

[chilly sun]

arthur is so good heho

[sly remnant]

x to doubt

[daring hedge]

arthur is good at certain heat levels

[true fable]

so you should get X + 0.5 X + 0.5X = 2X knockback

[daring hedge]

not amazing at 40+ imo

[true fable]

from one triple shot

but no one cares enough to grind tempest strike rama

[daring hedge]

so effectively would be the same as twin shot knockback

[true fable]

is 50 one of those heat levels tailesque

[daring hedge]

yes

pain

[true fable]

LOL

im scared of hades3234's power

do you know why he isnt going high 50s?

[sly remnant]

he doesn't have the same hatred for himself that baj, retrash, and tail do

[rain sedge]

He's not accepting the discord invite :(

[true fable]

😦

its ok

i get it

we'll just raid him again

[bronze viper]

@daring hedge lol, my YouTube feed has been bombarded by your videos. Calm down. Also, collective congratulations, you are a legend.

[true fable]

hey! he emerges

whens your grand return ledger

[sly remnant]

hi ledger! good to see you

[bronze viper]

Hey everyone :) My grand return is probably in a couple of weeks, once I can get real glasses (instead of poopy drug store reading glasses). Excited to start playing again.

[shy gulch]

is nem sword the best sword for high heat stuff

[sly remnant]

in our current understanding yes

[shy gulch]

well I guess assuming u get double edge

[sly remnant]

every sword is assume you get double edge at high heat

[shy gulch]

I might try to push my nem sword higher since my last run absolutely could’ve done higher heat w that kind of build

what about Poseidon

does that rly need double edge

[sly remnant]

depends on how high you are pushing

40? 45? poseidon is still relatively solid

[rain sedge]

did retrash get 57? I think yes right

[shy gulch]

he did yes

[rain sedge]

40 poseidon? painful a f. 45? Good luck to you

[sly remnant]

i don't think its any more painful than other swords at that heat

[shy gulch]

I tried 40 Poseidon a bit and it wasn’t working thst great so I went nem

then like the 2nd run I got double edge in just obliterated

[true fable]

poseidon is a cast weapon so takes more pieces to reach similar highs

[sly remnant]

i recommend phalanx shot

[shy gulch]

I was tryna high roll and go for hunting blades lol

[sly remnant]

i mean

thats why you didn't get very far

[shy gulch]

yeah exactly

what do you mean I can’t just get the duo I want in tartarus

[sly remnant]

they are playable but less consisten

[rain sedge]

tail why did you take next boon rarity for euridice?

am I missing something? I never take that

[shy gulch]

it’s good if ur current boons aren’t great

[true fable]

probably better hermes

[shy gulch]

and yes better Hermès is always good

idk what his current boons were tho haven’t watched yet

[true fable]

nectar is one of the few ways to still get good hermes boons

since you dont have gods pride anymore

[shy gulch]

until that nectar hits like auto reload or something

then ur sad

[true fable]

lol

well

[shy gulch]

ap2 moment

[true fable]

i imagine youre usually quite sad grinding 60 heat anyway

[shy gulch]

lmao

probably accurate

[true fable]

so in summary nectar = chance to escape sadness

[sly remnant]

there is no escape

[shy gulch]

hmm I’m prob gonna try to push my Rama to 50 heat soon

might take off ap2 it’s just pain

[sly remnant]

you do not need ap2 at 50 for rama

[shy gulch]

yeah

[true fable]

i want to do hestia 50 since i feel kinda close

[shy gulch]

I was forced into it w hestia but Rama has a bit more flexibility

you can def do it I think

[true fable]

as astaos can attest i did 45 with deadly strike and shackle

i forgot to take off the shackle lol

[shy gulch]

lmfao

[sly remnant]

grinding hestia just blows tho

[shy gulch]

yeah go for 50

[sly remnant]

iits very same-y

[true fable]

didnt have DDs but did have patty

[shy gulch]

idk I like playing hestia

[true fable]

yeah i agree

[shy gulch]

it’s the same rhythm but it’s nice seeing things blow up

[true fable]

i'll go for it when my pinky feels better

[rain sedge]

~~grinding ~~hestia just blows tho

[shy gulch]

^ur bad

[true fable]

gottem

[shy gulch]

and yeah either rebind ur reload or like

don’t do hestia that much LOL

[true fable]

probs just gonna be the latter

this reload bind is too good for eris and luci

[shy gulch]

yeah that’s fair

[rain sedge]

lmfao tail you tried to suicide to asterius miniboss and lost skelly instead

I cant believe this is the run who got 60

[shy gulch]

just play with a better keybind system like me

:^)

[solemn pulsar]

I bound reload to my microphone hearing me scream “CHA CHUNK”

Very efficient

[shy gulch]

LOL

[rain sedge]

watching that last phase of EM4 from tail's video is very stressful

[true fable]

chaos

[rain sedge]

I would've died 10 times there

[vital grove]

Anyone link to 60 video?

We should put it in a museum

[rain sedge]

it's in #self-promotion

[dire steppe]

@true fable your posts about vectors reminded me of my version of tempest strike spin

https://i.imgur.com/gfwhrJB.jpg

[daring hedge]

hey thanks, and good to see you!

[daring hedge]

after losing tooth there with my second hammer being chain i was so close to resetting

extremely glad i did not

[rain sedge]

you played really really well on the last phase

there was a lot of time that I thought you were done for, but you weren't

[daring hedge]

and yeah for eurydice, the only thing that would've been beneficial at all really in terms of poms or rarity would've been thunder flourish, so nectar was the best choice imo

[rain sedge]

could tell you were nervous though, forgot call and megs I think

wouldnt you want to increase rarity for deadly flourish?

I usually gambled for that

[daring hedge]

you mean strike? it's not a huge % increase at all

it's pretty marginal

[rain sedge]

oh yea deadly strike

hmm I see, I guess I don't know the distribution enough

[daring hedge]

the rough difference between common and epic deadly strike for example is 20% at common to around 40% at epic

and my common was already pommed to level 3

[dire steppe]

eurydice is the only one that feels like an actual choice

[daring hedge]

yeah. patty sometimes for speedruns or low heat where jerky is a consideration

[shy plinth]

Dang wriste just got a 6:51 beowulf

[sly remnant]

dio or flood?

[shy plinth]

Flood, tartarus 4th cast stone and mirage shot, first room charged shot

[daring hedge]

Woah

[shy plinth]

Yeah it was a sick run

I think all 3 friend rooms and 2 fountains too

[daring hedge]

Those are the magic numbers

My 60 had the same

[shy plinth]

Oh and a 2 sack

Sometimes Amir smiles down on you from the heavens

[daring hedge]

Inbetween punishing you via AP

[shy plinth]

His previous two runs were restarts so story checks out

[shy gulch]

6:51 beo goddamn

beo is a weapon ive gotten much more interested in after seeing some runs

it’s so cool

[shy plinth]

Yeah it's really interesting and feels different

[daring hedge]

i wanna pick it up again sometime; i never practiced much with it so i'm pretty bad

[sly remnant]

i'm p sure flood beo can do 57 heat

[daring hedge]

sorry if this is a dumb question but why flood over passion? is it just for easier mirage shot chance and general room clear, sometimes with breaking wave?

[sly remnant]

so first off

wave pounding is a multiplicative multiplier

mirage shot is easy to obtain because you want artemis anyways

[daring hedge]

👀

[sly remnant]

if aphrodite had more non-survivability T2s it would be a consideration, but you are just gonna get a bunch of trash you don't need on an already very safe weapon

wave pounding, breaking wave, razor shoals, etc, etc.

all insane

[daring hedge]

yeah, i just meant passion in terms of base damage and pom scaling while using infernal soul

not for weak safety really

[sly remnant]

yea the problem is most of aphro's T2's are safety

and mirage shot is a straight 30% dps upgrade

upgrading passion flare....doesn't really happen

its all poms and since at higher heats you'll be running AP1....

[daring hedge]

i find poms aren't that bad at AP1

AP2 though, yeah, it's awful

[sly remnant]

even so

poseidon's T2s are just way better at high heat than aphro

and poseidon + arti makes way more sense at high heat than aphro + arti

because you always want arti

and arti with poseidon on beo gives you mirage shot

[daring hedge]

yep, i said earlier, easier mirage shot

[shy gulch]

yeah forcing one of the two gods for mirage from the beginning is always nice

also doesn’t flood have more aoe than passion?

I thought so at least

[sly remnant]

slightly more

its not really that impactful

[shy gulch]

oh I see

[sly remnant]

what is impactful is the wall slams

[shy gulch]

right

the T2s are also huge ur right

[daring hedge]

i've heard that phalanx flare, on top of just being underwhelming in terms of damage, has a very small aoe radius

[shy gulch]

Poseidon T2s are so good

[daring hedge]

is that true?

[sly remnant]

its basically slightly bigger than divine dash

[shy gulch]

bruh

that’s unfortunate

[sly remnant]

also athena T2s on an already safe weapon

[shy gulch]

man playing w Beowulf and zeus shield have turned me onto to the shield more

they’re both so fun and so different

[daring hedge]

i still don't understand why true shot and hunter's flare have only 10% crit chance. like, lower than strike on a more limited source of damage than just. attacks

[shy gulch]

right??

it’s so odd

[shy plinth]

Could not find a single video of phalanx flare

[sly remnant]

i had to play it testing 40 heat setups for bablo

its definitely safe

its got stellar pom scaling too

it just has literally nothing else

[vital grove]

How's electro flare?

I've never tried it

[sly remnant]

its about as effective as a blanket in a blizzard

[shy gulch]

lol

[vital grove]

Eh, so it doesn't bounce at all?

[sly remnant]

nah its a flare

you are doing a very low base damage bolt in a small aoe

[daring hedge]

so bolt T2s affect it rather than storm lightning as with electric shot, right

[sly remnant]

yep exactly tail

there's actually a lot of things that beo likes from zeus

except his flare

[vital grove]

Yeah, scint feast 😂

[sly remnant]

sea storm

billowing strength

jolted

high roll smoldering air

[vital grove]

Can you get Blizzard on beo?

[sly remnant]

no

but dont' be afraid on demeter

snow burst

is

in

sane

[vital grove]

And ravenous will i guess

Is it active when you load up the casts?

[daring hedge]

yes

[vital grove]

Sweet

[daring hedge]

ravenous is amazing with beo and hera

[vital grove]

Have you tried cold embrace Hera?

[sly remnant]

rav will got me out of tartarus in my 50

[vital grove]

It's a meme build

But still

[daring hedge]

i still haven't but i really want to

it just sounds so goofy

[vital grove]

Cold embrace and if you can pick up parting shot

It's asking a lot but the meme

The meme hungers

[sly remnant]

parting shot is insane

the problem is you need a god you only want one thing from and god you want nothing from to get it

[daring hedge]

i got parting shot with hunting blades recently; how does that even work

how do blade rifts backstab

[shy gulch]

they don’t I don’t think??

[sly remnant]

i have no idea

[shy gulch]

no clue lol

[sly remnant]

fun fact: curse of drowning does work with parting shot

[vital grove]

Either they don't, or the game checks for position relative to center of the rift

[warm osprey]

@ripe crane yo how long did it take for 56?

[daring hedge]

yeah i think rift cast can't backstab. never saw any backstab text while using it

[warm osprey]

This sounds dumb but I think I need controller auto aim for it to go fast enough

I miss too much and if wastes mad time

It*

[ripe crane]

Just long enough to get a decent hammer and greatest reflex. It was actually easier and happened much sooner than my 53 because it didn't have EM4

[shy gulch]

do you think it’s worth for hestia to do em4 at 50+? or is something like RI3 + JS/CP usually more manageable

I’m prob gonna try and push hestia higher and see how it goes

[warm osprey]

Ya ur 56 wasnt even with good items

Just played really well

[shy gulch]

my main troubles were w heroes and dad really, if I can get better at those fights I feel like I can push higher

[ripe crane]

Shackle is so good on hestia. I want to say it was only my third attempt using the newly buffed shackle. Really just if you get lucky enough with a hammer to help you clear faster and if you get greatest reflex to make up for RI3. Compared to like 2 weeks of trying to get 53.

[warm osprey]

Ya I think hammer for richochet, explosive or pierce early is sick

[shy gulch]

agreed, the shackle is fantastic

[warm osprey]

Em4 is cancer with first phase adds

[shy gulch]

it’s what I used for my 50 heat

[ripe crane]

If you copy my heat setup and use RI2 instead, you really only need a hammer and decent room luck and I'm sure you can clear 54. Don't even need greatest reflex then

[true fable]

dang RTA WR too right?

[shy gulch]

I’ll need practice for that haha, dad fight w only 2 dashes is something I struggle with

[shy plinth]

I think RTA WR yeah

It was 14ish minutes

Super fast

[true fable]

gz

time to start grinding anyheat again lol

[shy plinth]

14:33

[warm osprey]

I struggle with 2 dashes on Theseus

More than dad

Its more of a time thing tho

[true fable]

think wriste said 14:27 retimed

[shy plinth]

Wow

[true fable]

new RTA record by 2 seconds

[warm osprey]

Like I play too safe I think and waste time

[ripe crane]

My plan for Theseus is to stay away from the big red circles

[warm osprey]

I get creamed by mino charge cuz my positioning sux

[true fable]

same

seems to work most of the time

until you get hit by one because the "deflect" text was for something else

[rain sedge]

imagine beowulf to be the fastest weapon

instead of eris

[ripe crane]

I basically only pay attention to the bull tbh

[warm osprey]

Same

P easy to dodge except for the ultra fast slams

That arent after the 2 hit combo

[shy gulch]

same I just try and take down the bull

I’m probably gonna try and make a practice save for lernie, heroes, and dad with just one dash

hopefully that’ll help w 50+

[true fable]

the bull is the most dangerous one because you have to react to bull, whereas you can predict theseus

[shy gulch]

theseus I basically just let him do his thing and ignore him lmao

just avoid red circles

[sly remnant]

instructions unclear

took 105 damage

[shy gulch]

mood

also i still do not know how to avoid the bull charge

i feel like every time i line him up with a pillar or wall he jsut avoids it

[daring hedge]

i love how PL shows me new and interesting ways to burn an SD

like EM asterius leap combining with his waves

[true fable]

yup lol

sometimes that'll get me even without PL

[daring hedge]

the best way is to stand right at the wall and only dodge through asterius at the last moment

[true fable]

hades 3234 has an intereseting method

just dash across pillar once

and dash back across

[daring hedge]

cerberus circles with PL is just either death or SD loss

[true fable]

it works 100% of the time

[north dove]

PL is no joke

[shy gulch]

yeah i try that tail but i think i dash too early half the time

[daring hedge]

i hugely underestimated it going into hell mode

[shy gulch]

i need to try the hades3234 method then

[daring hedge]

"free heat, this is fine"

[true fable]

lasers are just death without hsprint or unshakeable mettle right

[north dove]

or spearpoint

[shy gulch]

spearpoint does sound sexy with PL

[true fable]

spearpoint krey

i remember being very puzzled seeing retrash and crepes use it

[vital grove]

Hey, any worth to... Excalibur with aphro/Athena, all the damage reduction boons you find, abyssal blood and myrmidon Bracer, then try for stubborn roots eventually

I think you can get to a very significant damage resistance number plus weak

[shy gulch]

i mean aphro is the best attack w arthur i believe so thats already good

idk about myrmidon bracer tho i feel like its easy to get hit in the back as ur dashing away from stuff

abyssal blood w arthur is actually something i should try, reducing move speed sounds very helpful

arthur already does good damage

[north dove]

damage reduction is solid on Arthur even at high heat but myrmidon bracer is a big no, the times you get hit are usually when you try to dash away from enemies and your back is to them

[shy gulch]

yeah, figured

[vital grove]

And Mettle would be nice too

[north dove]

and I dunno about abyssal blood, the 50% damage is just too good to pass up on arthur

[vital grove]

It's just theory crafting, can you make enemies hit for like 1

[solemn pulsar]

Is boiling blood global or base damage?

[north dove]

base

wait

[shy gulch]

i want to try abyssal on some more things at higher heat, its what i used for hestia

im p sure its global

btw

[north dove]

yeah I misread that

[true fable]

its not global at all

[shy gulch]

oh

is it not

[true fable]

only attack/special iirc

[shy gulch]

bro theres so much i dont know about this game LOL

[vital grove]

Is there even a minimal damage limit

[north dove]

it's not multiplicative is what I meant to say

[solemn pulsar]

Is there a good breakdown of all the buffs additive/multiplicative and how the math works out in the end? I feel like I understand but then the numbers I see don’t make sense

[shy plinth]

I think basically no damage increases in this game are multiplicative

[vital grove]

Consecration, weak, stronger weak, different league, Bronze skin, Mettle, bracer

[shy plinth]

Damage reduction is multi yeah

[north dove]

pounding wave is multiplicative apparently

[sly remnant]

^it is indeed

[north dove]

so are crits but everyone knows that

[shy plinth]

Really? Hrm

I thought that was additive too

[vital grove]

And Abyssal blood is 30% too

[sly remnant]

it was ello or pony who told me that

i trust them

[north dove]

all charged hammers are also multiplicative I'm pretty sure

[sly remnant]

most hammers are yea

[vital grove]

I don't expect anyone did math on damage reduction at all

[north dove]

should be additive

[vital grove]

Then you can go up to 100

[north dove]

yeah

but I think you get hit for 1 damage anyways

[vital grove]

And make enemies hit for less than half with upgraded weak and abyss

So if you have stubborn roots on

You are invincible

[north dove]

unless lasers

[vital grove]

Hug dad

[rain sedge]

o hai retrash

[vital grove]

And Spearpoint

[rain sedge]

are you gonna push for higher heat?

[north dove]

nah

[rain sedge]

FeelsBadMan

[true fable]

WAIT

[north dove]

not now at least

[vital grove]

Retrash 61

[true fable]

WAVE POUNDING IS MULTIPLICATIVE?

[rain sedge]

I saw your 50 heat, insane stuff

[sly remnant]

yessir

[rain sedge]

arthur that is

[daring hedge]

i learned this today as well

[rain sedge]

never thought I'd see the day

[true fable]

in general or just for flood flare

because like

obvi multi for flood flare

since it's flat damage

it might still be additive for strike/flourish

[sly remnant]

the context ello was talking about was for flood flare

[north dove]

oh

[daring hedge]

welp

[true fable]

yeah its multiplicative there just because it's flat dmg i think

same for tide dash

im p sure it's still additive with global dam modifiers though

should probs test that

[daring hedge]

a bull should not be able to turn this tightly https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/791799102601166898/loop.gif

[true fable]

yeah wtf

the hades 3234 method saving your life there

[spring kettle]

60 heat Rama is insane

I think just about the only thing you could do to push the heat higher is RI3

[rain sedge]

should test with flood flare and skull earring maybe

or chaos boon

[true fable]

yeah

[spring kettle]

RI4 doesn’t sound very doable for a human, because of stubborn defiance

[daring hedge]

yeah, next step is adding another step to the rng grind

[true fable]

or dad keepsake

[daring hedge]

greatest reflex or bust

[true fable]

yeah that sounds tough

[rain sedge]

I think 62 heat is the human maximum without the preordained room

the SD is too valuable

or maybe 62 heat with LC3? if theoretically you can decide your own boons and well items, it's a possibility?

[north dove]

even with perfect play >75% of runs wouldn't even be doable on 62 I think

[spring kettle]

Really relying on the whims of RNG there

[rain sedge]

well, the difference between 60 and 64 is boiling blood extra damage, and extra dash

if we're talking about runs where you are very lucky, that'd be fine

[daring hedge]

having two dashes helps a ton with time, indirectly

[rain sedge]

enough free rooms mean you have enough time to clear it with TD3

[true fable]

ALSO

[daring hedge]

being able to pick and choose more and easier opportunities to attack is huge

[true fable]

very new info

apparently dash strike boons

impact dash uppers

BUT

[rain sedge]

and you can say that getting greatest reflex from hermes, which is inherently RNG, would enable you to clear 62

[true fable]

special boons do not

[north dove]

wut

[true fable]

so your special chaos boons do not affect dash uppers

LMAO

[daring hedge]

wtf

[sly remnant]

lmfao thats a bug i'm p sure

[north dove]

how does that make sense

[rain sedge]

this is a thinking emoji

[true fable]

right

[rain sedge]

ping amir, this is a bug

[true fable]

to be clear your actual "special" boon will

but chaos special bonuses will not

[rain sedge]

lemme check

[sly remnant]

this very much sounds like a bug

[daring hedge]

i'd recommend an in a run where you have this setup, and describe it in the report

[true fable]

ok

i could always just ask ellis if this is intended behavior no?

[daring hedge]

yeah, couldn't hurt

[shy gulch]

i now have 666 escape attempts

very good

[true fable]

lol my beo pb was on 666 clears

alert: i have again spread misinfo

i think they should count special dmg

i'll test it when i get the chance

i think what it was is that dash uppers dont count for chaos CURSE damage

so if you have -HP on special for a chaos curse just dash upper and you'll be all right

[shy plinth]

That's functionally consistent with attack vs dash strike yeah?

[true fable]

consistency? in this game?

[shy plinth]

I don't know about chaos curses specifically but I know attack hammers don't improve dash strikes

[north dove]

you can also special with talos and not take chaos curse damage as long as you animation cancel

[true fable]

it depends on the attack hammer

breaching slash affects dash strikes

[shy plinth]

Conc knuckle is the one I was thinking of

[true fable]

i see

yeah that one for sure

[north dove]

must be that regular special is the only thing that counts for chaos damage

[true fable]

yeah thats super weird

not complaining ofc

[shy plinth]

Yeah my understanding was that the words "dash-strike" or "dash-upper" had to be used for those to work

And attack didn't apply

Breaching slash sounds like an exception?

[north dove]

I find it very strange that breaching slash is the only hammer that affects dash strike damage

when shadow doesn't

[shy plinth]

I would guess it is unintended

[shy gulch]

sword hammers really need a buff, they all seem very bleh besides double edge

[rain sedge]

so dash strike is diffferent than normla attack?

[shy plinth]

I always thought so, it has a different animation and is spelled out in bold

[true fable]

yup i agree

[shy plinth]

Like the pulverizing blow shield hammer doesn't work with dash strikes

[true fable]

i wish that every attack hammer just applied to dash strikes

[shy plinth]

Cursed slash doesn't heal with dash strikes on sword

[true fable]

cursed slash would be nuts

[shy plinth]

Yeah

[true fable]

like sword hammers would actually be interesting

[shy plinth]

Conc knuckles would be so good too

[true fable]

instead of literally just piercing wave or dedge

[shy plinth]

But all these hammers make you stand still

[rain sedge]

wtf I didnt knwo this

[shy plinth]

Yeah like I'm not 1000% on it but I believe attack is specifically the non dashing strike

[true fable]

yeah it's bad

only dedge/piercing/breaching apply to dash strikes

[sly remnant]

no it definitely does not work on dashing strikes

[shy plinth]

It has to say dash strike in the text

[true fable]

shadow even says the "backstab" text

[shy gulch]

wait theres a piercing hammer?

[true fable]

and just doesnt apply the +200%

piercing wave

[shy gulch]

oh right

forgot about that one lol

[shy plinth]

Breaching either has the wrong effect or wrong text on sword

Just says attack when apparently it's both attack and dash

[true fable]

yeah it works on dash attacks

it's been confirmed

it's weird

[shy gulch]

how long do twitch highlights last for?

i was trying to export one to youtube but it said it got removed b/c it was too long so idk whats up

[shy plinth]

Vods are usually 14 days I think

30 for affiliate

[true fable]

yeah croven i'd rec downloading the past broadcast if you have the disk space

the quality is quite bad

[shy plinth]

Or just recording as you stream

If computer can handle

[shy gulch]

my computer prob cant handle recording and streaming

unfortunately

[shy plinth]

Rip

[shy gulch]

i can try to download it

[shy plinth]

Or you can export right after you finish

Send it to youtube as unlisted

[shy gulch]

wait how does that work, can i put long vids up on yt as unlisted?

[shy plinth]

Yeah export just sends your video straight to youtube if your twitch is connected to it

[shy gulch]

it is

but it got taken down bc too long

[true fable]

dont put up the entire broadcast imo

[shy plinth]

Click export and it should automatically go

Just as an archive

[shy gulch]

i clipped just the one run

[true fable]

you need to verify your YT account if you havent yet

[shy gulch]

and its still like 30ish min

oh word

how do i do that

[shy plinth]

Yeah you can clip it and export just to save it etc

[true fable]

there should be instructions in your YT account

[shy gulch]

this is what i tried to do, i didnt care abt the rest of the broadcast, but it was still too long unfortunately

[shy plinth]

😦

[shy gulch]

oh

verifying was super easy

ok lol guess that works

[true fable]

yup lol

[shy gulch]

thank u guys

[warm osprey]

Does yellow name mean ur a god gamer

@ripe crane u ever goin for higher than 56?

Im tryin for 55 but I dont feel like makin a hell save

[true fable]

sort of

yellow name means youve played all sgg games

[warm osprey]

U guys should play PoE

They have bossing/speedrun events

Kinda like hades in a way

[true fable]

im down

ive heard good things about it

RN StS is my non-hades game

might go back to transistor and pyre sometime soon though

[warm osprey]

Poe takes way more knowledge but theres mad money in it every league

[honest kernel]

I've played PoE in the past

Maybe races sound fun, but I'm not interested in anything late-game related

[warm osprey]

Late game stuff is really grindy

I stayed up 38 hours one race

To kill a boss

[ripe crane]

I tried 58 not too long ago, made it to dad a few times but couldn't finish it off. Not sure how much I really want to struggle with it to be honest.

[shy gulch]

what’d you do for 56, put on EM4 and take off one RI?

[ripe crane]

56 I actually took off EM4 for the first time lol. Turned RI3/AP2

[true fable]

gaming

just add EM4 4head

crepes youve inspired a legion of hestia users are you proud

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/791839220250443826/unknown.png don't take poseidon special on lucifer, it's very bad

[shy gulch]

sorry I meant 58, I saw ur 56 run

[true fable]

you cant say that with your victory screen

retrash why have you done this

[shy gulch]

lol

[north dove]

I had to so now one else would

[true fable]

owl pendant start?

[honest kernel]

That Heroic Killing Freeze 👀

[north dove]

coin purse start

[ripe crane]

Yep, EM4 on, RI down to 2

[true fable]

ah i see

the retrash patented coin purse start

[true fable]

whens the next time you're live strimmer

[ripe crane]

Never

Strim over

[true fable]

D:

[ripe crane]

Unless I go for fist record again 🤔

[true fable]

yes pls

[ripe crane]

Haven't played for so long. Too tired for video game 😞

[sly remnant]

Won't be on for awhile. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

[gentle bridge]

happy holidays all, ill be grinding girugamesh fist 40 this week cause i dont like fun

[shy gulch]

lmao

I’m prob gonna try to push gilga a bit too, lmk what builds end up working for u

[ripe crane]

Have you heard of the boon called "tidal dash"

[true fable]

im doing a wriste sesh on the 29th if you need some mid holiday viewing

[sly remnant]

I might poke my head up to watch the two best beo players talk

[true fable]

let me know when you find the second best beo player LUL

[gentle bridge]

so far, i just think of an arthur build and put it in gil. its the maim that ive had problems with. most of the time, its not worth giving them a dmg buff. so i tend to just to dash attack builds

[spring kettle]

tidal and divine dash are the best dashes in the game

[gentle bridge]

also @shy gulch ive been using your keyboard only setup. its surprisingly comfy

[true fable]

god no

theres more of them

croven what have you started

[solemn pulsar]

I use game pad only. It’s unsurprisingly comfy

[warm osprey]

You guys are god gamers

[shy gulch]

YES

my power grows

I love u juaber

btw I rebound reload to the left shift and it turned out better if u didn’t catch that @gentle bridge

summon is space bar now

was p necessary to get a good reload key for grinding hestia lol

[tidal flame]

what is your dash??

[gentle bridge]

oh i did it a bit different, bound numpad 7 8 9 to attack special and call. it feels like im playing a fighting game now haha

[true fable]

i believe croven has dash on C

i could be wrong

[ripe crane]

Hey

Did you guys know tail got 60

[gentle bridge]

this means i can theoretically use hitbox or my fight stick, which is fun to think

[true fable]

yes

[spring kettle]

Rama best bow

[true fable]

@ripe crane i love that youre still white name

just a randy andy

[spring kettle]

special can strip DC relatively quickly, aoe and large single target damage

[tidal flame]

what on this green lustrous beautiful earth are those bindings

[shy gulch]

yes I have dash at C

[true fable]

🤮

[gentle bridge]

wild. i love it.

[shy gulch]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[tidal flame]

is binding shaming allowed on this channel?

[shy gulch]

this but reload at left shift and summon at space bar is the only change I believe

man bright already shames me enough, one more person shaming me is fine

[true fable]

lmao

i swear i dont want to

[shy gulch]

oh and interact is F now

[true fable]

its instinctual

i love that we still have one binding in common

[shy gulch]

lmao what is it

[true fable]

somehow

reload

[shy gulch]

very good

that’s pretty funny actually lmao

[warm osprey]

Chad binding is dash on spacebar

[onyx venture]

This reminds me of someone shaming their son when they were playing Destiny together because they found out that he pressed Left Ctrl with his left thumb by awkwardly tucking it under his hand

[true fable]

lmao

[warm osprey]

Thats disgusting

[true fable]

thats me as a parent

[warm osprey]

Left control with ur thumb

[tidal flame]

lmao

[warm osprey]

Bindings are actually really important

Especially in poe cuz of hand fatigue

Playing 30 hours at a time

[tidal flame]

wait without mouse input how do you aim for attack and stuff croven?

[warm osprey]

Theres a quake player named tox that uses the most crazy binds

Is there a way to have auto aim with a mouse

Those little pot things piss me off

[true fable]

theres auto aim

[warm osprey]

I mean

Its not the same as controllers tho

[true fable]

yeah

[gentle bridge]

aim assist on
attack at cursor off in settings

[true fable]

i mean it in the sense that it exists

[warm osprey]

Damn

Wait attack on cursor off

[true fable]

yeah

[warm osprey]

I wonder if that does it

[true fable]

the attack snap is huge

[warm osprey]

Idk if I have that checked

[tidal flame]

honestly we might be in the presence of a god gamer for all we know.

[true fable]

wait lol

roblox dont you play rail

[warm osprey]

Yeah

[true fable]

how did you not know this

lmao

[warm osprey]

Idk im a noob lol

[gentle bridge]

itll 360 noscope at times

[warm osprey]

I might have it checked idk

[onyx venture]

(I posted a clip of the thumb shaming in #video-games)

[true fable]

LOL

[warm osprey]

I prolly do and just suck

[shy gulch]

I use auto aim yeah

I basically play it like a controller

[warm osprey]

Hmmm

[shy gulch]

don’t use the mouse for anything

[true fable]

nah roblox youve done 52 heat

do what feels comfortable to you

[warm osprey]

I hit most but I miss little pots sometimes and skinnier enemies

[true fable]

i just thought it was funny you didnt know it was an option

[gentle bridge]

attack to cursor is also good at high level if youre used to idk, play starcraft 2 or something

[warm osprey]

My biggest thing is the speed

[true fable]

yeah for sure theres some advantages

[warm osprey]

Of getting through the game

[true fable]

hades 3234 does attack at cursor ON

[warm osprey]

Oh word?

[true fable]

yeah

[gentle bridge]

its their starcraft genes

[true fable]

even with eris

[warm osprey]

His gameplay looks like mine

So I might be same setup

[true fable]

yeah see how you like it with it off

might help a little bit not sure

[gentle bridge]

personally, i turned it off cause it lessens my mental stack

[warm osprey]

Yeah if I miss shots its worth turning it off for 55

So I miss less

[true fable]

same thats what i did juaber

its also just a strict disadvantage for speedrunning

[gentle bridge]

true, full speedmode demands accuracy

[true fable]

its not even just accuracy theres just no cases where youd want to not shoot something

like high heat i could see some advantages for aim at cursor off

maybe

[true ridge]

What is max heat, and whats the closest people have gotten?

[gentle bridge]

true, you gotta do something always in a speedrun

tail's 60 the highest one, right?

[tidal flame]

64, and 60, respectively.