#h1-high-heat-strategies

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mossy zinc
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Smoldering Air with Epic Zeus' Aid before Lernie lol.

gaunt fiber
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Charged skewer is obvious because that and special Boon win alone

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Quick spin is higher for me since it can win a run almost alone too (especially with Athena or Demeter)

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Been testing it a lot lately

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Breaching ranking goes up if you have the god skewer

mossy zinc
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Obviously.

gaunt fiber
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Yeah tier list good. I'm getting used to serrated but having it in Tartarus may end the run immediately

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Just Quick spin is underestimated to me

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If you give it to me I can win almost any run I think

sly remnant
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well its atleast a 4 sack

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so

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not great

gaunt fiber
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It would be A to me actually

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Or B+ I guess lol

sly remnant
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LMAO

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5 SACKED

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GET REKT ME

true fable
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nyaanyaa boutta set a new arthur WR lmao

mossy zinc
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Not recording lol.

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6:47.79 chamber 33. Don't think that's WR pace.

sly remnant
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anvil'd and got cursed slash

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for the memes

true fable
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still pretty good

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but yeah bablo has like a 7:3x

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LMAO

sly remnant
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thats a very respectable time for arthur nyaanyaa

mossy zinc
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Epic Sweet Surrender.

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I lost a DD Dash-Striking into two Elite Chariots. Worth it.

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7:42.69 out of Elysium.

gaunt fiber
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Quick bouldy prayer to prevent 4 sack

sly remnant
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died to phase 2 dad

gaunt fiber
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Speedrunning?

sly remnant
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yea

gaunt fiber
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Rip

sly remnant
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was speedrunning arthur

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but it was a 5 sack so

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i turned my brain off

gaunt fiber
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Arthur speedrun is double edge?

sly remnant
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yea i didn't have double edge

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had breaching slash double nova

gaunt fiber
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Pog nova

sly remnant
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anvil'd and got dash nova cursed slash

gaunt fiber
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Nice hammers

sly remnant
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i anvil'd on the 5 sack because at that point i was like

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it literally does not matter

gaunt fiber
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WR but it's 5sack

true fable
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i think my 5 sack PB is sub 10

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but yeah anything past a 3 sack is tough

mossy zinc
sly remnant
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for a tiny vermin 4 sack thats a good time

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well done

mossy zinc
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Thank you.

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New Stygius PB, too.

sly remnant
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Double Edge is a good hammer

gaunt fiber
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Bouldy false god confirmed

mossy zinc
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I prevented 5-sack by not posting a mid-run screenshot.

true fable
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niceu

mossy zinc
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Oh wait.

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Gilgamesh, woops.

true fable
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gilgamesh lol

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LOL

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heart rend gilg can definitely do it

ripe crane
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Time for splash dash

mossy zinc
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Not too long ago I was struggling getting sub 15 with some weapons lol.

clever wigeon
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any recommendations for a spear build heat 20?... any aspect

true fable
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achilles

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zeus cast

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or hunting blades

mossy zinc
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Guan Yu, Heartbreak Flourish, Deadly Strike.

spring kettle
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I only cracked sub 20 recently

mossy zinc
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Or Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish.

spring kettle
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I practiced using lambent plume and zag fists

clever wigeon
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never good with the spin attacks.. Guan Yu may not be an option

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but will try it

mossy zinc
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Lambent Plume is not really a good pick for speed, ironically. You want DPS.

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Special > Dash-Strike x2 should be your go-to rotation for DPS with Guan Yu.

spring kettle
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How are you supposed to build for guan Yu?

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I got up to the surface with it but lost in the end

mossy zinc
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Eternal Rose start, grab Heartbreak Strike or Flourish, whichever has better rarity.

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Arrowhead in Asphodel for the other one + Heart Rend.

gaunt fiber
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Then don't get charged skewer offered and cry

mossy zinc
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@gaunt fiber you'll need Massive Spin over Quick Spin for DPS, by the way.

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I guess Quick Spin helps with DPS, too, but Massive Spin damage + AOE is better.

clever wigeon
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yeah from the hammer

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that would help

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thanks guys.. gonna try it out...

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get lucky or get killed.. thats my motto.. lol

gaunt fiber
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Quick spin allows you to spin more in general and when it should not be possible

mossy zinc
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Skill allows me to spin when it should not be possible. squirtdevious

gaunt fiber
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And for dps, jerky time squirtyay

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Nah sometimes you just can't

mossy zinc
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You can't. I can. squirtnya

gaunt fiber
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Yeah yeah

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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Quick spin also saves time for other actions too

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Always nice to spin more to build that gauge up too

sly remnant
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ew

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12:44 with a 4 sack

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ah well

true fable
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arthurs tough

gaunt fiber
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I don't know if a tierlist should consider skill or not

sly remnant
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it is essentially a double edge or reset weapon

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like most swords

mossy zinc
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Tier lists generally assume optimal play.

sly remnant
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^this is true except for extremely high ceiling exceptions which are outliers not the norm

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idk if hades even has an exception tbh

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weapons aren't diverse enough with hammers

gaunt fiber
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Then

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Serrated higher

sly remnant
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meepo before the nerfs would be an example of something that is hard to put on a tier list

mossy zinc
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5:19.63 Asphodel.

sly remnant
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gilgamesh?

mossy zinc
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Yes.

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Who put both Asphodel and Elysium NPC chambers next to mid-shop? squirtooh

sly remnant
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lmao

true fable
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this is kind of a stupid question

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but do you think if they buffed spin

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people would pick flurry jab less

sly remnant
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yes

true fable
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like damage and/or charge rate

sly remnant
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flurry jab is so oppressive it destroys the other part of spear's toolkit

true fable
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i agree

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i love meself some flurry jab

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but i wish spin was better

sly remnant
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flurry jab isn't healthy for spear

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as most spears at high heat become flurry jab weapons

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same thing with sword and dedge

gaunt fiber
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Only half of them squirtyay

sly remnant
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regardless

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there is no weapon with worse disparity between its hammers than spear

spring kettle
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Yeah, the spear hammers enhance three different styles of attack, the attack, the spin, and special

true fable
spring kettle
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So if you’re aiming for a special build and only get attack hammers, RIP

true fable
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it is a bow cosplaying as a spear

sly remnant
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and every spear wants like....one hammer

gaunt fiber
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That's not right at all

spring kettle
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Serrated edge is so good

true fable
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i hate serrated because its too good not to take

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but i will probably die

mossy zinc
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If you're not open to build both Attack and Special on Spear, you're building Spear wrong.

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Special builds are bad without Exploding Launcher anyway.

sly remnant
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of which like....one spear can really make use of exploding launcher

mossy zinc
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And Exploding Launcher rotation would be Special > Dash-Strike x2 > Cast > repeat similar to Guan Yu.

clever wigeon
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does Lasting Consequences affect the life steal from Guan Yu's spin?

gaunt fiber
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No

clever wigeon
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k

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thanks

sly remnant
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spear just isn't open-ended enough

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its like cool i get a good hammer in tartarus i'll build around that

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or

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wow spear sucks get me out

true fable
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at least you get to reset early

sly remnant
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hades is probably the spear that defeats this problem the most, but its still hammer dependent

true fable
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unlike with ME

sly remnant
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and achilles is really good up thru 40 heat

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but much further than that and it is a flurry jab weapon

true fable
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i think you can do it without but it just hurts a lot

sly remnant
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of course you can do it

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i can beat 50 heat with dio beo even though its trash at the heat

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i think spear is just a weapon that really starts to not look like a roguelike weapon in high heat outside of hades spear

mossy zinc
sly remnant
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clutch

gaunt fiber
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Sub 12 by far

true fable
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yeah youre right

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close one

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rush kick is apparently quite good on gilga

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im wondering where retrash rates it

mossy zinc
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I have no idea what a "roguelike weapon" looks like. Spear is fun.

gaunt fiber
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Yeah what is it?

sly remnant
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i mean spear's build options are narrower than most

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at high heat

mossy zinc
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Stygius has one build. thanthink

gaunt fiber
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High is AP2?

sly remnant
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stygius is a problem too

mossy zinc
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I think spear hammers are fine. Stygius hammers are bad because the Attack is bad.

sly remnant
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its just obvious that they were designed first

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as they are the least flexible weapons in general

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and destroyed harder by the pact than every other weapon

mossy zinc
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Guan Yu makes me use the whole toolkit. It's quite fun.

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When I don't just spam Charged Skewer, anyway.

sly remnant
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right but charged skewer is so oppressive it supresses the other parts of the spear toolkit

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same with flurry jab

mossy zinc
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It's more that bow was buffed pretty hard to be where it is now. Bow used to be Twin Shot or bust, pretty much.

sly remnant
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which is a good thing

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i would have liked sword and spear to experience something similar

mossy zinc
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Spear was buffed a lot in the same patch.

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Spear and bow used to be bottom tier pretty much.

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Except for Guan Yu.

sly remnant
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i mean great but spear still has major problems

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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Only spamming Charged Skewer isn't necessarily optimal, either.

sly remnant
gaunt fiber
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With skewer I don't spam special either

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I dash strike a lot and spin too

mossy zinc
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Yeah.

sly remnant
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its the same with double edge

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its hard to buff sword because any buff becomes infinitely stronger with double edge

gaunt fiber
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Except at EM4 because I'm insecure lol

mossy zinc
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Achilles, Zag Rail, Zag Spear, Lucifer, Zagius, and Zeus are left.

sly remnant
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flurry jab, double edge, and charged skewer are so oppressive that it adversely affects the other parts of the weapon's toolkits

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luci is easy

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achilles easy

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zag rail easy

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zagius kinda tough

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zeus hard to play (idk how much you've played it)

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zag spear kinda tough

mossy zinc
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I don't think Zeus is that difficult.

sly remnant
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you are a better player than me

gaunt fiber
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Thanks

mossy zinc
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Of course. squirtdevious

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It's not difficult to be good with Zeus, it's difficult to be optimal with Zeus. That's different.

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I really wish Skelly had like 10x as much HP.

next marsh
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what is this

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3 tiny vermin runs in a row

gaunt fiber
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GY destroys him that's annoying

next marsh
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btw does the antos keepsake ever target the pots in the hades fight?

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cause i swear it just did that to me

spring kettle
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Tiny vermin% should be a new category

next marsh
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something for all those speedrunners foiled by that little rat

prisma stirrup
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So what's the easiest heat to start with? Damage control right?

spring kettle
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I think damage control depends on the weapon

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Very easy on fists and rail

north dove
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definitely not damage control on a lot of weapons

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Extreme measures 1-2 and Tight Deadline 1 are good first heats

prisma stirrup
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Oh I thought it would be that since it's only 1 more hit you have to do

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Make the bosses stronger or have to be faster? That doesn't soumd easy

sly remnant
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Tight Deadline 1 is free

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36 minutes is an eternity in hades

prisma stirrup
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It says 9 mins tho

sly remnant
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per region

prisma stirrup
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Ohhhhhhh

spring kettle
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And unused time carries over

prisma stirrup
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I've misread that a lot that means

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thanks yall

mossy zinc
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Ah well. 19/24 aspects sub 12. squirtnya

clever wigeon
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blah... just can't get used to the spin Attacks.... Guan Yu definitely doesn't suit my play style.. but dang.. it was a strong... very good build.. I just can't play it.. :S

tidal flame
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Then erm don't use the spin attacks :D

clever wigeon
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was a prev recommended build for a heat...

tidal flame
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Deadly Flourish + Charged Skewer can work

clever wigeon
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tried it..

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I was using that

tidal flame
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oh, why do you spin then?

gaunt fiber
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Why do I spin? Why do I live?

clever wigeon
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I confuse my dash spins sometimes with my stationary spins.. and no deflects.. so taking a lot of heat..

mossy zinc
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Don't do dash spins.

clever wigeon
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trying to transition.. but when it gets hairy.. I end up... going my my natural default setting lol

daring hedge
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not even an anvil to fix this

tidal flame
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what are you even doing at 60 heat

daring hedge
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gaming

mossy zinc
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Preemptively barrel-rolling Baj's 59 attempts.

tidal flame
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is that only RI4 not taken?

daring hedge
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yeah

tidal flame
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so max heat is 62? dang somehow I thought it was 63 =.=

daring hedge
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nah i don't have RI3 or 4

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so that's 4 heat left

tidal flame
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oh right

gaunt fiber
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The truth lies in RI4

tidal flame
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I think after this you will come to love explosive rama lol

gaunt fiber
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It is the path

mossy zinc
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I agree. Those two hammer upgrades should not be compatible.

tidal flame
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Wouldn't be a problem if AP2 wasn't a thing.

mossy zinc
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They literally aren't. You end up having just Explosive Shot.

rain sedge
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tail hasnt reported back in a while, what do you think happened? thanthink

tidal flame
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He won and is now taking a well deserved break. Vid will be uploaded by later tonight.

mossy zinc
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He charged his shot for too long trying to snipe and exploded.

tidal flame
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Probably still charging tbh

mossy zinc
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After exploding. Makes sense, he had Stubborn Defiance.

daring hedge
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ugh, doomstone as first summon and i got to do the exploit where he doesn't summon more too

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this run would have been perfect if my hammers weren't complete garbage

honest kernel
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^ mood

dire steppe
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take ri3 and you’ll get better luck

mossy zinc
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Yes, because you had the bestest Attack boon. 💗

shy gulch
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what are some sword builds for 40 heat? i have real trouble w melee weapons at this level of heat

mossy zinc
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Double Edge.

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Get Double Edge Or Time Out Tryin'.

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—50 Obols

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I'll take you to the Charon's Shop.—50 Obols

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So many good songs.

next marsh
mossy zinc
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Hmmm. I'd do HL5 CF2 BP2 FO0 DC0 instead.

next marsh
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DC works really well with chaos tho

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other than that, i think i will try yours

honest kernel
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Do CF1 JS1 as well

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JS1 doesn't do much, but CF2, yes

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CF1 is manageable

next marsh
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idk if i can take JS1 with DC2 and TD3

honest kernel
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You should be fine

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Chaos' aspect is good for rooms

next marsh
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ok

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wait now i am at 34 heat

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maybe -BP2 +HS1?

mossy zinc
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I'd rather have BP2 than HS at 32.

next marsh
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ok

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just gonna turn off UC then

ripe crane
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Oh where Hades won't summon more if there are too many crystal minions

daring hedge
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that, yeah

shy gulch
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man

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em2 lernie is rough with melee

mossy zinc
daring hedge
shy gulch
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HE DID IT

next marsh
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NO WAY

rain sedge
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no way

mossy zinc
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Congratulations! squirtnya

rain sedge
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what

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the f

vital grove
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Full 32 achieved. 😁

shy gulch
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congrats tail!!!!!

rain sedge
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I can't

mossy zinc
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Now, do a barrel roll!

rain sedge
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wwtf tail

mossy zinc
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You earned it.

rain sedge
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how did you do this

daring hedge
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thank you all!

vital grove
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Oh my Zeus

daring hedge
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if i could highlight the styx anvil i would

vital grove
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60!!!!

rain sedge
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first 6X heat clear

daring hedge
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it was point blank and chain until styx

next marsh
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the madman took the anvil

shy gulch
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hey it worked out

north dove
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WHAT holy hell congrats

shy gulch
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this is super impressive dude

next marsh
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clearly

rain sedge
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what a king

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we look forward to the video

honest kernel
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Jesus

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WELP

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TO 61 I GO

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Gonna really need a hellmode savefile now

mossy zinc
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Hmm. Zagratha, Lucifer, Zagius, and Zeus left for sub 12. That's 20/24 done.

thorn rapids
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GRATS 🥳

sly remnant
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CONGRATS TAIL YOU DESERVE IT

thorn rapids
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thats insane

daring hedge
honest kernel
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Good stuff

sly remnant
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+EV anvil ;)

daring hedge
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you know, relentless volley wasn't even bad as my extra hammer too

terse pecan
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grats tailesque!

daring hedge
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built call like nobody's business

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thanks ronnie!

honest kernel
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When even my 59 heat would have gotten ninja'ed

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Kinda glad I stopped for a bit lol

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But going to a hellmode savefile was the plan anyways sooo

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Guess I'll just pull it early

next marsh
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i wonder what you would even take for 61

honest kernel
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CP1 and RI3

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Everything else maxed

next marsh
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yeah was gonna be my guess

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i suppose you could also go TD2

honest kernel
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I could

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Legit

daring hedge
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i definitely think it can be done with shield given bull rush to circumvent one dash

honest kernel
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I've been close so many times already

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It's def possible

daring hedge
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but resetting for greatest reflex ad nauseum on non-shield would be a nightmare

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on top of hammer rng

honest kernel
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At 'least I get that benefit lol

rain sedge
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sorry baj 😦

honest kernel
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Not really

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Since I didn't even get to 59 yet

daring hedge
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it wasn't a secret that i was attempting this for a while lol

honest kernel
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^ that too

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He's been venting here as well

rain sedge
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tail still has 2 megs, basically full HP, and one full extra DD going for him

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w t f

honest kernel
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Rama damage be like that

rain sedge
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that divine dash, epic thunder flourish, dio call are nice tho

north dove
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anvil really came in clutch it looks like

mossy zinc
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i was attempting this for a while
Like five minutes. You talked about it, I blinked, and you did it. dusa

honest kernel
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But for real, this is good timing

clever otter
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Congrats tail, this is amazing

honest kernel
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^

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I don't mind attempting 61 now

onyx venture
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Congrats Tail! Incredible skill at play

honest kernel
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Since it's basically my 59 but with PL and CP1

daring hedge
daring hedge
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in fact this was one of like maybe two runs where i even got an athena DD

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and i didn't even use it

honest kernel
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Athena overrated for 50+

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Change my mind

daring hedge
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lmao

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i kind of agree honestly

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she's great but not as needed as we thought

shy gulch
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hey do shadow slash and breaching slash affect dash strikes for sword btw?

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quick q

honest kernel
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She doesn't do an important thing

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Damage

honest kernel
shy gulch
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gotcha

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thanks

sly remnant
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Yep. I basically timed out in my 52 attempt last night because I had Athena in my pool and she wouldn't stop showing up

tidal flame
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Holy moly Tailesque wth

honest kernel
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Had a 59 attempt with both DDs that timed out in Elysium lmao

tidal flame
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Barrel rolling everyone

sly remnant
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Arti and poseidon are easily the best gods for 50+

daring hedge
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yeah i think artemis is by far the most important for rama at least, simply in terms of deadly strike and hunter dash alone

honest kernel
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Artemis cool for Zeus shield too

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Altho I don't mind getting Zeus himself either

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Demeter best secondary to have on a core boon, IMO

daring hedge
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chill is fantastic for high heat and EM4 in particular

honest kernel
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In fact my 57 heat clear had that as the main lmao

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Made the non-EM4 fight free

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I'll see if I get even close to a good time on CP1 soon-ish

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Will be celebrating Christmas early due to schedule constraints with my family members

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So yeah. Y'all take care.

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Congrats again, Tailesque

mossy zinc
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See ya! Merry Christmas to you! squirtnya

sly remnant
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Merry Christmas baj!

dire steppe
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hell yeah tail massive achievement

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so sad seeing the daily “made it to styx with bad hammers” posts and it finally paid off

sly remnant
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I've been neglecting trying on hades. Tails achievement inspires me

mossy zinc
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Oh god, Zagratha is so slow.

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10:22.18 out of Elysium lol.

sly remnant
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Yea zag spear is a toughie without exploding launcher

mossy zinc
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I just need to beat dad in 9.27 now and we're good.

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Died because this weapon sucks.

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I take no blame for it. dusa

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I wish there was any point at all in pressing Special on this weapon without Exploding Launcher, Achilles, or Guan Yu.

static plover
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Yoo, congrats on 60 heat Tailesque! bittieHype

tidal flame
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So, 62 heat when Tail?

daring hedge
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i don't know if i'm ready to tempt the fates and try to line up greatest reflex, good hammers, and good chamber rng

tidal flame
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You almost made it back to back, too. You also had that explosive rama at Hades on 60

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wild stuff

daring hedge
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yeah the explosive and sniper run was ridiculous

hollow lynx
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just 4 more to go :p

tidal flame
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The last 2 will be extra extra spicy

warm osprey
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Whats highest done with hestia

tidal flame
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50 I think

shy gulch
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58?

warm osprey
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Congrats tales ur a god gamer

daring hedge
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56 i thought

shy gulch
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nah crepes did at least 56

tidal flame
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nvm xD

shy gulch
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I’m not sure if 58 was done tho

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so prob 56 actually

warm osprey
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Tales u should play poe

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56 is insane

daring hedge
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crepes got really close several times at 58 but i don't think any succeeded

shy gulch
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ah, unfort

warm osprey
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With hestia? Holy shit

daring hedge
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yeah, almost the whole pact except DC lol

shy gulch
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lmao

warm osprey
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I struggle with the armor

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On hestia

tidal flame
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fwiw they dont' take Damage Control, assuming that what you meant by armor

warm osprey
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Ah ok

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So literally everything but that huh

tidal flame
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yeah...

warm osprey
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53 seems like a big jump from 52

shy gulch
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yeah do not take damage control w hestia

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that is the one pact u avoid at all costs lol

warm osprey
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I was trying a few runs with just 1

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Still too slow most of the time

shy gulch
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yeah it’s not worth

daring hedge
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yeah you can kinda spray DC1 before empowering but it does slow down things by a lot over the whole run

warm osprey
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Is he in here?

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I wanna see the run if hes got it recorded

shy gulch
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the 56 run?

warm osprey
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Ye

shy gulch
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it’s in the spreadsheet iirc

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pinned here is the spreadsheet

warm osprey
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Kk ty

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Ah its 55 with personal liability

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Ill try for it

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Do you guys record with shadowplay

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And just stop once the session is over if u got a good run

tidal flame
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Some do, others use OBS or Streamlabs

warm osprey
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Kk

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I mean

true fable
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@daring hedge when i said id do 50 before you did 60 i didnt actually expect it to be close

warm osprey
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Its just aids gettin hermes

true fable
#

congrats! nectar

warm osprey
#

I got to elysium boss with single dash so I think I can do it with a lil grind

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😳

true fable
#

amazing that you did it in just 31 clears too

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:^)

warm osprey
#

Whats the worst aspect

dire steppe
daring hedge
#

final steam achievement

dire steppe
#

0% of players have this achievement

static plover
#

0.0000001% of players have this achievement

dire steppe
#

there isn’t even a steamchievement for 32 heat

tidal flame
#

Yeah it's intended

static plover
#

Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if there's games with achievements that hard

dire steppe
#

imagine there’s a 4th skelly statue at 64 heat that also unlocks an entire second storeyline

daring hedge
#

lmao

static plover
#

Yeah, it's for the better imo Fox

daring hedge
#

gating content that ridiculously would be the least SGG thing ever

#

which is why it would be funny

tidal flame
#

I agree generally. I think that there should be a 32 heat one because Skelly gives it anyhow. But I read Greg's response and I get why.

daring hedge
#

yeah, i agree with it

warm osprey
#

How many hours do you have tales

daring hedge
#

515 on steam, which isn't counting however many i put into the epic version

shy plinth
#

Tail you madman

warm osprey
#

Thats not even that much

#

I got like 200 hundo

mossy zinc
#

Urgh, why is this weapon so bad. squirtooh

#

I'd call Zagreus trash god, too, if I saw him wielding Zagratha. dusa

daring hedge
#

just get flurry jab or exploding launcher and it'll be

#

well, not good, but not as bad

dire steppe
#

the epilogue requires 6 heat clear

mossy zinc
#

I had Flurry Jab and Serrated Point lol.

dire steppe
#

so there’s that

mossy zinc
#

You'd think that does damage.

#

It does not.

daring hedge
#

yeah zag spear is an anomaly

#

i know i've mentioned it before but, epic special speed with a decent special boon and exploding launcher? mediocre damage

#

just. how

mossy zinc
#

It's Hades or Achilles but with –150% damage.

dire steppe
#

flurry jab and serrated point should allow you to hold down dash strike to serrated point ultra fast

#

9x dps

mossy zinc
#

Zagratha exists to remind us that spear used to be bottom tier.

paper fable
#

man it STILL is

rain sedge
#

tail, are you gonna do 62 next?

#

all you need is high roll for greatest reflex with AP2 right

sly remnant
#

Lmao let the man enjoy his victory

rain sedge
#

being king is his enjoyment

daring hedge
#

yeah, though trying to have AP2 line up: deadly strike, greatest reflex, two good hammers, good chamber rng

#

sounds absolutely awful

warm osprey
#

Thats what it takes

daring hedge
#

indeed

warm osprey
#

Sounds like a grind

#

But look at it this way

#

It’ll take way less runs to get that than a super mario bros world record

daring hedge
#

lol i think i'm gonna take a break from the grind for now

#

doing that unseeded was just a slog at times

sly remnant
#

60 is a nice round number. No one is gonna touch it for awhile. Just enjoy it.

rain sedge
#

No one is gonna touch it for awhile.
Retrash and Baj: 👀

daring hedge
#

lol

rain sedge
#

tail, what do you think about adding a crown next to your name?

daring hedge
#

i dunno i think that might give off a full of myself vibe

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and it's not like i'm the best player

#

i just did the highest heat for now

next marsh
#

...i mean

rain sedge
next marsh
#

that is kinda what it means

tidal flame
#

God I love you Tail. Ever so humble. Don't change :D We appreciate it.

spring kettle
#

Peeople are gods if they somehow do 63/64 heat

sly remnant
#

People are gods if they do any heat

#

Its literally the game

#

You are a god

daring hedge
#

We Are All
God Gamers

honest kernel
#

I am a god gamer

#

Tail said so

tidal flame
#

Swim Swims too powerful

daring hedge
#

it's true

rain sedge
#

the people have spoken and you are king, and we give you a crown

#

👑

true fable
#

serrated actively makes flurry jab worse

mossy zinc
#

I had Serrated Point first.

true fable
#

ah

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sucks

mossy zinc
true fable
#

have you tried lightning strike tidal dash

#

basically eris but worse

mossy zinc
#

Which of these two is a Lady Aphrodite boon again?

#

Ah right, neither. dusa

true fable
rain sedge
#

Thanks for teaching the king that, queen

true fable
#

@daring hedge did you start strimming

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where did this rng come from

#

anvil into triple pb

#

divine dash

#

dd

#

dstrike thunder flourish

daring hedge
#

i know right

mossy zinc
daring hedge
#

though frankly i think i maybe deserved that luck after all the runs that went south in so many ways

true fable
#

oh 100%

#

still funny haha

#

if it werent for the anvil id think it was seeded

daring hedge
#

that athena DD was either the first run or maybe second run in all of these attempts where i actually... got one

#

and i didn't even use it

#

i'm 100% putting anvil in the thumbnail

#

it was the MVP here

sly remnant
#

Anvil has to almost always be correct at AP2 50+

tidal flame
rain sedge
#

do you all think that JS3 CP0 is better or JS2 CP1 at 50?

daring hedge
#

depends on the weapon

#

arthur or rama or hestia? JS2 CP1

rain sedge
#

always eris

sly remnant
#

When so much of the pact takes things away from you you really need every advantage you can have and anvil is the most bang for your buck. Its cheap and gives you something impactful

daring hedge
#

exactly, especially with EM4 active

#

your damage needs to be on point in conjunction with TD3

tidal flame
#

proceeds to reroll Triple Point Blank

true fable
#

depends on the weapon imo

#

sword anvils are ruinous

daring hedge
#

that's true actually

#

cursed slash can getcha

sly remnant
#

If you have double edge dont reroll

#

Other than that.....you need impact really badly

true fable
#

fair

rain sedge
#

hazard bomb eris 👀

true fable
#

lol

daring hedge
#

"just iframe dodge it"

true fable
#

did you see hades3234 demoing his hazard bomb techc yesterday

#

yeah

daring hedge
#

what

#

was he doing that

true fable
#

he was just i framing and using hazard bomb

#

lmao

#

also ran an infernal scint feast build for a very free 50 heat eris

sly remnant
#

What a god

true fable
#

took flurry cast over h sprint

daring hedge
#

what the hell

sly remnant
#

LMFAO

#

WHAT

rain sedge
#

oh yeah I was there for that

#

I was in shambles

true fable
#

eris is a cast weapon

#

we shot him the discord inv so we'll see if he joins

tidal flame
#

lmao what

#

do you have any clip?

sly remnant
#

Technically eris is the cast rail

true fable
#

nah but its probs in his past broadcasts

rain sedge
#

dont think he will join tho

#

😦

daring hedge
#

i hope he knows we're all fans

sly remnant
#

Yea probably a pain for him to translate everything

true fable
daring hedge
#

lmao

rain sedge
#

he's a tail fan

next marsh
#

what are the best keepsakes for high (32) heat?

rain sedge
#

I tried to lure him in by saying "the channel is where people like tail and baj hangs out" but no dice

next marsh
#

i am thinking acorn, but idk for sure

rain sedge
next marsh
#

oh ok

mossy zinc
#

Eternal Rose is best in every region. 💗

next marsh
#

thx

mossy zinc
rain sedge
#

I feel like with my new setup I'm really feeling like I play worse

rain sedge
#

at least this is not the LC4 RI4

mossy zinc
#

Good idea.

#

Thank you.

safe crow
#

is 63 heat even possible?

sly remnant
#

Technically yes

mossy zinc
#

Sure.

sly remnant
#

I suspect realistically no

mossy zinc
#

lol people said that about 57 when that was max Heat, and Tailesque's already done 50 mirrorless.

true fable
#

what 1 heat woud you leave off lol

tidal flame
#

They are counting normal mode

true fable
#

heightened security

safe crow
#

(yea sorry i forgot about hell mode i assume max is 64 with that on)

tidal flame
#

so PL

rain sedge
#

honestly, I think LC3

daring hedge
rain sedge
#

because at 63 heat that's RI4 - and you need some way to survive

tidal flame
#

is the 50 heat mirrorless 1.0 or pre 1.0?

daring hedge
#

1.0

sly remnant
#

its 1.0

daring hedge
#

it was like

#

two days ago

tidal flame
#

oh somehow I missed that

#

Did you have LC4 though?

sly remnant
#

the thing is the jump between 50 and 64 is orders of magnitude

daring hedge
#

LC2

next marsh
#

AAAAH TELEPORTING FAST FLAMEWHEELS

sly remnant
#

heat does not scale linearly. its much much worse

next marsh
#

(first time in elysium with BP2 btw)

daring hedge
#

yeah, heat climbing is exponential in certain ways

daring hedge
next marsh
#

thx man

tidal flame
#

Yeah. I do hold you for a 64 clear, but RI4 LC4 is a hard hurdle.

#

And we don't know how far people can climb that.

daring hedge
#

hard is an understatement lol

rain sedge
#

well

#

how about we change the question

tidal flame
#

I put it that way so Nyaa doesn't get riled up lol

daring hedge
#

near perfect play for the entire run including superdad

rain sedge
#

tail, let's say we give you all the boons and hammers you need. you get 100% luck, through a mod or something

sly remnant
#

getting a run like that is expecting 3 specific people in the world to hit the lottery

rain sedge
#

you think you can get that last 4 heat?

#

we're talking about room 1 twin shot, room 6 heart rend kinda stuff

sly remnant
#

even then....we can play so aggressively in rooms because of stubborn defiance

warm osprey
#

Ya but if u get the lottery luck are u gonna play that good when it actually happens

sly remnant
#

you'd need chaos egg and skips out the butt i think

sly remnant
true fable
#

well

daring hedge
#

but i don't really do routed

true fable
#

we're just talking routed now yeah

warm osprey
#

Definitely doable

true fable
#

and would heart rend even be better than zeus/dio special? i dont think its that clear cut

solemn pulsar
#

Can routed really be anything or are there limits

warm osprey
#

Will just take thousands of attempts

daring hedge
#

yeah heart rend would only really make a big difference during the EM4 fight, i think

tidal flame
warm osprey
#

Ive been using the mirror perk that slows enemies

rain sedge
#

ok I'm done with my kooky setup

warm osprey
#

I think I need the dam tho on 30% healtg

rain sedge
#

my fingers are fatigued

#

I dont think it works

true fable
#

F

rain sedge
#

damn, I would really like to aim using mouse and move with joycon

true fable
#

even just KB my fingers get tired

rain sedge
#

guess not

#

I'll use the PS4 controller

true fable
#

as people can attest i sacced a pretty promising hestia run because my pinky started dying yesterday

#

fatigue is real

solemn pulsar
daring hedge
#

was that after nemesis?

true fable
#

yeah a bit after nem

#

was just doing some rando 40 heat because someone asked about actual hestia builds

#

instead of shackle stuff

daring hedge
#

does hestia really have builds though

true fable
#

deadly strike i guess

#

lol

#

build complete

daring hedge
#

fully fleshed out build of me want attack boon

tidal flame
true fable
#

it was more to show how hunter dash + chaos attack scale insanely with deadly compared to heartbreak

#

because i still have to deal with the heartbreak nem argument every week

tidal flame
tardy path
#

Yooo Tail. Congrats on the 60 heat! That's insane stuff dude!

daring hedge
#

thank you!

tardy path
#

Now I just need to get over 40 ;-;

true fable
#

i promise its not a strawman

daring hedge
#

the dude in YT comments advocating for perfect shot over twin shot went totally silent after foxhope's reply lmao

tidal flame
#

I believe you. The Perfect Shot > Twin Shot dude convinces me that people will die on the weirdest hill.

true fable
#

lol

#

its a legit question

rain sedge
#

I have died on another eris 32

true fable
#

because when you start heartbreak strike looks so much better on paper on nem

#

and then its just not

rain sedge
#

is it time to retire thanthink

true fable
#

can you retire from a career that hasnt started

sly remnant
#

heartbreak strike is very overrated

#

change my mind

tidal flame
#

How old are you? How is your 401k doing?

rain sedge
true fable
#

sorry schad it was low hanging fruit

daring hedge
#

lol, foxhope explained how twin shot scales better with crit and everything compared to perfect shot

rain sedge
daring hedge
#

the guy was looking at perfect vs twin in a total vacuum of no boons or anything

rain sedge
#

imma use the switch stuff instead of the ps4 controller I think

tidal flame
rain sedge
#

I can't get used to the setups sigh

true fable
#

happens to the best of us

#

give it a few days

tardy path
rain sedge
#

holding tightly to wrong conviction is internet in a nutshell

#

reddit.jpg

#

4chan.jpg

#

literally any politics.jpg

#

ok ok I've gotten too far

sly remnant
tidal flame
true fable
#

LOL

daring hedge
#

it's really not hard to admit you're wrong about something. gamers find this very difficult

rain sedge
#

imma go to the corner and take a timeout

tidal flame
#

xD

true fable
#

if you arent dying on a molehill youre not gaming

rain sedge
#

it's not about gaming

daring hedge
#

fair enough, it's not just gamers but i mean

#

gamers are among the type

true fable
#

my geraldo

#

cdpr make perfect game

rain sedge
#

gamers are pretty bad tho, tbh

rain sedge
daring hedge
#

lmao

rain sedge
#

I feel bad for them real talk

tidal flame
#

Ok, at least the guy wasn't being toxic or calling names. He even tried to back his arguments up with mafs.
I give him the "At least you tried" award.

daring hedge
#

i feel bad for the devs who had to endure crunch

#

the higher ups not so much

sly remnant
#

hear hear tail

true fable
#

yup

sly remnant
#

not that i am the least bit unbiased

rain sedge
#

the stories I hear from them are interesting

#

by interesting I mean thank the lord I'm not working in a gaming industry

#

it makes you appreciate the small things you know, like breathing fresh air, not sleeping in the office, etc

daring hedge
#

me, a game design major probably going into the industry: bouldy

sly remnant
#

can i ask early access people a question

tardy path
#

I don't know I feel I flourish under stressful conditions personally. But that's probably just me

tidal flame
#

Find yourself a good company.

sly remnant
#

how did yall not complain about the room one columns

tidal flame
#

Some companies do treat their employees well.

rain sedge
#

hollow knight is a 3 man company goddamn

tardy path
#

Team Cherry squirtnya

solemn pulsar
#

I’m sure they crunch

sly remnant
#

every team crunches they just do it to different degrees

daring hedge
#

tightly knit indie companies with healthy workplace norms rule

solemn pulsar
#

But there’s only 3 of them so it’s not like they’re being forced

rain sedge
#

hollow knight? don't think so, they dont even tell us when the silksong is gonna come out

tidal flame
#

I used to work for a large bank before grad school. Despite the reputation of the industry, my experience there was relative positive.

rain sedge
#

because from what I've heard, it's chill

tidal flame
#

Actually no

solemn pulsar
#

Boring stable industries are the best environments to do cs/it stuff, usually

daring hedge
tidal flame
#

I worked in their financial crime department. Anyhow, Hades :D

sly remnant
rain sedge
true fable
#

tailesque

#

go to school

#

grind

#

and get hired by sgg

rain sedge
true fable
#

10 years down the line

daring hedge
#

that would be the dream

rain sedge
#

financial batman foxhope sorry

true fable
#

all of us will be doing different things

#

and get a notif

tardy path
tidal flame
#

lmao

true fable
#

theres a new patch for hades

#

AP finally removed

rain sedge
daring hedge
#

lmao

tidal flame
#

this is high heat strats for life

tardy path
rain sedge
solemn pulsar
daring hedge
#

highest heat strat: get hired and undo amir's cruelty

sly remnant
#

this channel is the actual off-topic channel

solemn pulsar
#

Em1 is now 70 heat

tidal flame
#

this is a autonomous zone.

#

mods can't touch this

rain sedge
sly remnant
rain sedge
#

tail if you get hired by SGG

#

challenge amir to a 6 weapon 40 heat race

#

winner decides the fate of sac mechanic

tidal flame
#

Tail can you rid of AP2 when you get to SGG?

rain sedge
#

on stream

tidal flame
#

I'll buy an extra copy of Hades.

rain sedge
#

I'll buy my third copy for hades

#

if you managed to rework sac mechanic

tidal flame
#

lmao

rain sedge
#

I'll buy the steam copy

#

I'll buy astaos the steam copy damn

solemn pulsar
#

$10 off at epic tho

rain sedge
#

yea that's how I got my PC copy

tidal flame
#

that's the problem

#

it's on Epic

tardy path
#

True

sly remnant
#

wriste straight up said on his stream 2 days ago one of the reasons he stopped doing high heat is because you do a ton of grinding to get to styx and then pray for a coinflip

tidal flame
#

GOG version when SGG?

rain sedge
#

idk, it's been fine so far

tardy path
#

I can't be screwed to manage more than one video game client man

tidal flame
#

I'll buy that copy and you don't have to deal with Steam's cut.

true fable
solemn pulsar
true fable
#

not really though

rain sedge
#

speed categories is RNG fiesta

#

for real

solemn pulsar
#

I guess with 3/all weps it spreads it out a bit

sly remnant
#

you get there about 100 times more with speed tho

solemn pulsar
#

That’s true

true fable
#

speed is about controlling for rng and knowing when to reset

solemn pulsar
#

Idk I prefer dying in Tartarus to resetting in Tartarus personally

true fable
#

duunk0's all weaps lineup runs a pretty robust no reset start

#

youd have to be stupid to say it doesnt require rng but to say its all rng is also a bit reductive

solemn pulsar
#

It’s still highly dependent on sack though

sly remnant
#

of course it requires rng

solemn pulsar
#

You’re just resetting instead of dying

sly remnant
#

the problem with high heat is that its "supposed" to be about player skill

#

and we all know its not

solemn pulsar
#

Def not past 50

sly remnant
#

thats a huge part of it

#

skill is an insanely important part of high heat

solemn pulsar
#

Each aspect probably has a heat level where even the best players can’t clear consistently due to rng

sly remnant
#

but bright didn't need to beat 50 heat for me to know he's top 3 if not the best beowulf player in the world. its just a matter of when he decided to grind it out

solemn pulsar
#

And each weapons curve past that point will look a little different

rain sedge
#

I mean the analogy for high heat is

#

imagine if you play for the NBA, you need to be real good to play there. But at the end of the game, there's a coin flip that decides which team gets +30 points

#

that's high heat

#

you still gotta be good to have a chance, if you're suuuuper good maybe you can normalise the luck, but there's still the coin flip

sly remnant
#

theres a lot of luck

true fable
#

hmm

sly remnant
#

and a lot of skill

true fable
#

i think i see where the disparity is

#

in anyheat

solemn pulsar
#

Personally I feel about equally bummed out when I die in high heat and when I have to reset in speedies, but it’s faster to die than reset lol

spring kettle
#

Yeah, AP2 sounds horrible

true fable
#

if you exit heroes on PB pace

#

and get 4 sacked

#

everyone recognizes you very reasonably could have PBed

#

on like 50+

#

theres no guarantee that you win without a 4 sack, but theres also no way to prove that you could have

#

and the frustration comes from not having that chance

sly remnant
#

^exactly

#

the problem with the sac is

#

there is no alternative that looks better

solemn pulsar
#

In a perfect world leaderboards are sorted by aspect, time, and sack #, but that would be too complicated

sly remnant
#

you either get the expected outcome

#

or you get strictly worse outcomes

#

and thats why its a problem

spring kettle
#

Also if you encounter the tiny vermin

rain sedge
#

aite imma sleep for now, night y'all

solemn pulsar
daring hedge
#

gnite schad

rain sedge
#

congrats again king tail

sly remnant
#

even with AP you get a boon that could solve a problem for you. anything more than a 2 sac solves zeros problems. its just simply worse

true fable
#

nite casual

rain sedge
#

I await the video, just like the rest of the channel

sly remnant
#

night schad

sly remnant
true fable
#

its only worth doing it if you wouldnt pb/win otherwise though

daring hedge
#

yeah

true fable
#

anything beyond that and youre just inviting sadness

sly remnant
#

sure but in high heat your lose condition is much more present than at any heat

solemn pulsar
daring hedge
#

even on high heat i'll 2 sack mentality because i know 3+ sack would have me just lose

sly remnant
#

^exactly

#

the sac is

#

hope the game cooperates

solemn pulsar
#

That’s \very\ high heat though

sly remnant
#

there is zero upside

rain sedge
#

before I check out, what's a "2sac mentality"?

solemn pulsar
#

32-40 it’s not a death sentence

sly remnant
#

i mean my first 45 beo clear was a 4 sack with 4 minutes to spare

daring hedge
#

true cgull, i guess i mean with the full works of JS CP, TD3, etc.

rain sedge
#

I always do that lol

#

aite real sleep nao love yall

tidal flame
#

night!

daring hedge
#

when you're really pushing it in terms of time

sly remnant
#

yep

solemn pulsar
#

Yeah or if you’re a slower player in general it’s the case at lower heats

true fable
#

schad that might be why you hate sac mechanic more than others

sly remnant
#

a large part of the reason TD2 is meta is because of the sac mechanic

true fable
#

if youre relying on a 50-50 every time youre going to be upset every time its the wrong 50 lol

#

just dont choose a 50-50

tidal flame
#

what if we normalize modding for 2 sacs?

#

just a thought

sly remnant
#

i've always argued for it

#

but

true fable
#

a 3 sack is like an 80% chance or smth

#

theyre working on a speedrunning mod

daring hedge
#

seeing a bunch of retrash's good nem runs die to sack was sad to see

true fable
#

its up to us whether we want it to be allowed for high heat

daring hedge
#

when he would have otherwise done it

true fable
#

which im all for

sly remnant
#

he had like 3 5 sacks yea

#

like

#

whats he supposed to do

warm osprey
#

I say seeding defeats the point

sly remnant
#

if the pact was balanced i'd agree with you

#

its not

daring hedge
#

it's just a different category

#

it's not an invalid category by any means

warm osprey
#

true

sly remnant
#

some weapons just can't compete without seeding

solemn pulsar
#

What if we mod a guaranteed 2 sack, and then you get 1 heat for each additional chamber you push it back to. 3 heats for 5 sack

sly remnant
#

1 heat for 45 extra seconds? ain't no one taking that trade

true fable
#

not seeding for some weapons just means you reset more

tidal flame
daring hedge
#

yeah that's kind of a death sentence if you're pushing heat

true fable
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im considering seeding for explosive return for chaos

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but i dont think you need it on 50

daring hedge
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i was strongly considering a twin or triple shot seed for 60 for a bit

solemn pulsar
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It comes down to do you recognize the rng grind as part of the achievement of the clear. If you don’t, then modding should be kosher. If you do, then it shouldn’t

true fable
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its not just about rng grind imo

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seeding and fully routed have to be considered under similar lenses if only because we cant reasonably draw a line

sly remnant
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retrash is the best high heat sword player in the world. he doesn't need to reset a bajillion times for double edge to prove that

daring hedge
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huge agree

warm osprey
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retrash is a god

solemn pulsar
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A big part of some speed runs/challenge runs is adapting to RNG. Getting free rooms/chaos, boon rolls are all a part of that because you can adapt and succeed despite setbacks by making different decisions or adjusting your play style. There is no adaptation to getting 3+ sacked, though

tidal flame
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regod

daring hedge
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retrash is all about adapting to rng

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he's an AP2 gamer

solemn pulsar
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So it doesn’t really show anything about the player except how fast they cleared the rest

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Which I guess is still something

sly remnant
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retrash is insanely good at the game. however sword is just a step below other weapons because of the design of weapons and of the pact. if anyone thinks his 57 doesn't prove as much then i will never know what to tell them

true fable
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AP2 gamer

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never been more crushed

solemn pulsar
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Yeah I don’t think anyone here thinks less of anyone for these small variances in play style

true fable
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than when i asked retrash his opinion

daring hedge
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i think all of us other high heat players here agree that dedge is basically required for nemesis to clear as high as 57

true fable
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about beowulf hammers

daring hedge
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it was a reasonable seed

true fable
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and he said

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"idk i dont play beowulf enough"

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hes just a gamer who adapts very quickly to random stuff

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i dont think theres any question about that

sly remnant
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i think he said he did his 51 in like 3 attempts on beo