h1-high-heat-strategies

[true fable]

just hug your dad

[gentle bridge]

woah, I didnt expect to clear 32 heat again after my first. question, for dem fists, i took out DC2 and added FO1 instead, i figured i wanted them to come to me since im melee. is that the right idea for it?

[honest kernel]

FO1 is just a good chunk of heat

And having it on for at 'least 1 level isn't a bad idea

But it will take some time to get used to

So be warned

That's why some people turn it on early, to get used to it while the other modifiers are off

FO1 for grouping enemies is mostly a speedrun strat

Side note : Croven on a REALLY good attempt for mirrorless 47 heat

He got a +2 dash from Hermes

in Asphodel

[gentle bridge]

is there a stream? i wanna check it out

[honest kernel]

There is

I can DM it to you

[gentle bridge]

okay

[shy plinth]

Is lag better

[honest kernel]

It might be ?

[shy plinth]

🤷‍♂️

[shy gulch]

it’s a bit better yeah

lagged a bit in lernie but was fine in elysium

I died tho 😔

[honest kernel]

Good try still

Mirrorless' hard

[gentle bridge]

those shields messed you up 😦

[shy gulch]

yeah shield dudes are awful

slow me down a ton unless I have piercing

I found it really funny that I got cluster rockets w Artemis on hestia

ap2 no less

[gentle bridge]

yeah lol the run looked really good

hestia buff still adds good range on spread fire?

[honest kernel]

The empowered shot will still apply to the first hit

After that, you get the shotgun hits

So basically, Hestia overrides Spread Fire for the first shot

[gentle bridge]

siick

[honest kernel]

Croven in Styx on mirrorless 47 heat 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

[gentle bridge]

GET IT CROVEEEEN

NOOO

[honest kernel]

The nerveeees

nooo

[waxen relic]

dang

[shy gulch]

yeah I was nervous as hell

[gentle bridge]

archer why

[shy gulch]

100 hp wasn’t enough and archer did NOT help

I thought I got his soul but I missed I think

[honest kernel]

The fact that you were so low for the Styx chambers

Holy moly

[shy gulch]

dude right?? I really thought I was dead there

3 hp

[honest kernel]

The soul respawned before the special hit

[shy gulch]

damn

unfortunate

[honest kernel]

Very, VERY good attempt

[shy gulch]

yeah that was extremely close

i got just about everything i needed

dashes, patty, fountain rooms

[clever otter]

the thumbnail was still mid run, i just tuned in and saw the house...

[shy gulch]

piercing

[gentle bridge]

if it was any other hades spawn and i think it would be fine

[honest kernel]

^

This

[shy gulch]

it wouldve been close

100 hp is very tight but there was a solid shot if it wasnt archer

[honest kernel]

The moment I saw the archer I was like "Oh this could be annoying as hell"

[shy gulch]

archer WITH crystals no less

so i had to take them out first

[gentle bridge]

yeah, that was super annoying, you were getting blindsided by the skulls cause you had to keep circling

[shy gulch]

yeah it was a bit too much to handle at once for me

skulls, crystal, archers, hades

[honest kernel]

Understandable

Especially after that clencher of a styx

[shy gulch]

that was a clencher of clenchers

[gentle bridge]

awesome attempt though

[shy gulch]

thanks

i'll definitely make another go tomorrow

but thats about it for tn i think id be too tilted

LOL

[honest kernel]

Good one to stop at, TBH

Take care

[tidal flame]

is this the 47 heat attempt RI4?

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[shy gulch]

yes

[tidal flame]

what is the max RI4 done anyhow?

[shy gulch]

46

thats why im doing 47 LOL

[tidal flame]

I see

[shy gulch]

RI4 attempts are very interesting anyhow so i figured might as well try to take the cake while im at it

[gaunt fiber]

Hestia?

[vital grove]

How about Eris with shackle

For that 47

[rain sedge]

cursed comment

[gaunt fiber]

If I practice EM4 FO2

will it mess up my timings for EM4 FO0?

Nemesis is hard

be sure to have divine dash

That's about all I know

It's risky

But it won't carry you

Zag sword is nemesis without the crit buff

the movement speed buff does not do anything

I mean it's better than Zag spear prolly

that's it

not even sure about that tho

Yes

you could lower HL at 40 maybe?

Then you will suffer a bit

that's the way

[gaunt fiber]

Be careful with your dash strikes I'd say

Spamming the combo is dangerous

[vital grove]

Sword in general is so mehhhhhh

I have to call it worst weapon even though aesthethically Arthur is just bae

[solemn pulsar]

Well the hidden aspects are all basically their own weapons. I agree sword is the most meh, probably because the main combo sucks so all the good builds are just dash attack focused

[mossy zinc]

52, but thanks for your vote of confidence.

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge congratulations on 50 Heat mirrorless! Big Shopping Trip, Too!

[rain sedge]

good lord

barrel-rolled

yo my 50 with literally the easiest weapon in the game was so hard, I can't imagine how tail managed to do it mirrorless

congrats @daring hedge , once again showing to us why you're king

[gentle bridge]

cant wait to watch that vod on YT

ah yes, dash nova. love to hate that hammer

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/5I80nej

I don't really know what I was expecting

[vital grove]

Td1?

Is it that slow

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

with AP2 you have no control

[sly remnant]

if you are gonna do AP2 i think you'll need shackle unfortunately :/

[gaunt fiber]

But then it would not be an Eternal rose start

[gaunt fiber]

ok I need some expert now

https://clips.twitch.tv/PopularPlainOrangeItsBoshyTime

[true fable]

another timeless classic barrel roll from tailesque

[tidal flame]

classic. Tail, do you have that "Let's make this quick, Sure Than" clip?

[rain sedge]

TD1 WeirdChamp

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I'm trying things

[rain sedge]

You could do JS1 and TD2 and it'll be the same heat

[gaunt fiber]

but this GY day made me depressed

[gaunt fiber]

sure but the strat was to cheese EM4 lol

[next marsh]

@tidal flame wait i know you from the ror2 discord, good to see you again

[tidal flame]

oh hello :D what a small world

[gaunt fiber]

Time to get Hades on steam @rain sedge

[rain sedge]

I already bought it on epic games

did you miss it?

[gaunt fiber]

No

[rain sedge]

I even changed my name

[waxen relic]

has anybody calculated how much more dps impending doom gives?

without ME

[rain sedge]

Ok, gonna try to beat bright's 32 record today

And practice for the 53

[waxen relic]

ok, so if anyones interested common doom has 45 dps, common impending brings it to ~50, epic impending to ~53; epic attack double's the increase as it doubles the attack/dps. So impendings pretty bad.

[north dove]

place your bets, how long am I going to survive in OT? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/791046877616275456/unknown.png

[sly remnant]

4 sack?

my bet is 45 seconds

[daring hedge]

rare dashes and athena DD what in the world

[sly remnant]

patty buff active too. or is that normal buff?

[daring hedge]

patty, it's dark

that is some insane luck

[sly remnant]

so probably 3 sack?

with a 34 patty?

[daring hedge]

seems like it

[gaunt fiber]

It's cursed anyway

Sorry

[sly remnant]

i believe its cursed because he has 1:19 left

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

would be enough for first phase

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/791048392628764713/unknown.png didn't even make it out of phase 1 chaos damage is so bad

[gaunt fiber]

maybe

Oh

Rip

[daring hedge]

oh geez

[sly remnant]

f

[daring hedge]

would TD3 and EM4 with chaos shield around that heat level be pretty much impossible

because it kinda seems like it

maybe with a fully kitted out zeus special? but AP2 wouldn't allow that to happen really

[north dove]

if you got explosive return maybe, that hammer is pretty essential

[rain sedge]

I think bright said chaos takes the same amount of time at low heat and high heat

so yea probably

[north dove]

I'll try seeding for explosive return instead of curse of pain, maybe it'll make a sizeable difference

[rain sedge]

what happened to nemesis dedge?

you were really close

[north dove]

I'm just switching things up a bit

seed is still there

[lusty mirage]

do you stream at all retrash?

[north dove]

nah

[lusty mirage]

how bout tailesque?

[daring hedge]

i haven't yet but i'm down to stream in the near future

[rain sedge]

Stream the 60 attempts

[lusty mirage]

haven't seen bablo in a couple days, wonder if he's grinding em4

what heat would be highest reasonable streakable at this point?

[tidal flame]

32 or 40?

Retrash did 45 for a bit I think

But for mere mortals like me, I like 32.

[shy gulch]

yeah 40 seems a bit tough

[rain sedge]

bablo did 2 times all aspect 40 heat streak

[gaunt fiber]

And I'm here with my 4 GY streak

[rain sedge]

if I stream, alt tab during the game, and the game freeze during my alt tab, is my submission still valid?

and is Hades supposed to freeze when you click on your second monitor?

[gaunt fiber]

I think it does

[rain sedge]

how can I interact with my nonexistent chat during gameplay then

what do you do astaos, you stream

[gaunt fiber]

I have one viewer

I'm happy to alt tab to chat with him

[rain sedge]

but does your submission still become valid?

[gaunt fiber]

Idk about that, I do pause tho

[rain sedge]

I guess you can't cheat outside the game

hm

[gaunt fiber]

my only submission

I was actually so focused

I did not look at anything else than my screen

[rain sedge]

actually let me see if I alt tab, what happens to the stream

[gaunt fiber]

But honestly

We should tolerate that really

I mean we would not cheat

but I guess you could argue against that

but you could also cheat without alt tabing lmao

[rain sedge]

ah damn, there's a big pause button on twitch if I alt tab

[gaunt fiber]

link me your stream if you want

[rain sedge]

it's ok I'm just trying the setup

[true fable]

👀

[gaunt fiber]

kk

[true fable]

i think seeding for explosive return would be huge

explosive return is the only hammer i care about anymore

charged shot is dece but gets me killed a lot

[compact shoal]

Keep phone open @rain sedge

You can open your chat on phone

[true fable]

the only problem i see with this calc is that you can do the set and forget strat with doom

[rain sedge]

ok I think it works

[true fable]

which significantly increases your deeps once you have impending

[rain sedge]

alright setup works, time to beat bright's 32 heat

link in #self-promotion

[lusty mirage]

schad on streamlabs obs there is a chat overlay for one monitor setups

and yeah has anybody streaked 50 heat?

[nimble trench]

I don't know what does and doesn't count as high heat but I've been really struggling to achieve a 16 heat run

With any weapons or build

Does anyone have any advice?

[true fable]

what weapon are you most comfortable on

[gaunt fiber]

I remember that Haelian made a full heat guide, you should check it

Pick a nice weapon to you and just practice, there's no rush really

[true fable]

^

that guide is very helpful

[nimble trench]

I'm not sure exactly what my most comfortable weapon is. I think either fists or bow

Although I do love me some ||excalibur|| specifically

[gaunt fiber]

You can spoil here I think lol

[nimble trench]

I can take a look at that guide

I figured but I wasn't sure lol

[rain sedge]

@nimble trench there's a pinned guide for 32 heat, but most advices work for 16 heat

[true fable]

you can spoil here yeah

what pacts are you taking?

[rain sedge]

just pick eris and do something like TD3 EM3 DC2 MM

that's 16 or something

[true fable]

the haelian guide goes over most of the DO NOT TAKE pacts

[nimble trench]

I did a run a little while ago that was zag bow with artemis stuff, basically just turning it into a sniper rifle

[true fable]

sounds good

[rain sedge]

that's cursed for 16

WHAT SOUNDS GOOD

[nimble trench]

Oops

[true fable]

zag bow is good

schad

[nimble trench]

It slapped but then hades wrecked me

[rain sedge]

zag bow is like bottom 8 aspects for 16 or something

[true fable]

sounds like you might need more practice vs dad

[rain sedge]

it's like an inferior hestia

[true fable]

did you go in with 3 DDs?

[nimble trench]

I don't normally play zag bow, the thing is it stacks with artemis attack to give a dummy high crit chance

I think I did iirc

I might just need more practice, idk

[true fable]

yeah that sounds like a dad fight practice thing

you'll get there

remember not to dash strike if you want to i-frame his spins

and other stuff

[nimble trench]

I also often struggle a lot against em theseus and asterius

[nimble trench]

That's really good advice I didn't think of

I try to go into the hades fight with extra dashes from hermes if at all possible

Lets me get out of the way better

[true fable]

yeah

keep in mind with zag bow you could also do heartbreak strike heart rend

[rain sedge]

just play eris and call it a day

it's 10x easier than zag bow

or chiron

which is also free at 16

[true fable]

hyper sprint + weak is huge

chiron and eris are probably easier yeah

[nimble trench]

I'm taking a look rn at the pinned stuff

Thanks so much for all the help you guys

I really appreciate it

[true fable]

GL

[nimble trench]

Also, I never thought of eris as that good, didn't even upgrade it

Was I that wrong? Lol

[true fable]

yes

eris is the best weapon at lower heats

almost uncontested

[nimble trench]

Huh, now I know

What counts as lower heat / higher heat by the way

[rain sedge]

easiest weapon up until 40 heat

then the "easy" definition become your personal preference

people would usually agree "high" heat starts at 32 I guess

[nimble trench]

Interesting

Fair enough

[rain sedge]

also chiron is really easy to play, at 16 heat you really can't lose with chiroh

[nimble trench]

Keyboard and mouse or controller though

Because I feel like for bow or rail that makes a lot of difference

[rain sedge]

some people play with controller on left hand and mouse on right hand

[nimble trench]

I was just saying the other day that that seems truly optimal

But hard adjust to

I didn't realize people actually did it

Honestly the fact that people do makes me happy

When I get back to school with my pc I'm going to try my steam controller, since that seems like the best of both worlds

[rain sedge]

I joke lol, I'm the only person who does that that I know

and that's because I have a switch controller that's small

play whatever you are comfortable with

I would recommend keyboard and mouse for eris though

aiming the special can be iffy

[shy gulch]

damn

almost got 40 heat spear but a bad few rooms in elysium took my timer way too far down

unfortunate

[rain sedge]

04:12 post-lernie @true fable

is this a pace to beat you?

[true fable]

probably

depending on ely bp rng

and the sacc

[compact shoal]

What's Ely BP

[honest kernel]

Elysium benefits package

[rain sedge]

07:34 elysium

I believe if I get 2 sac I beat you bright

ah not 2 sac sadly

[shy gulch]

what do y’all think is a good aspect / strat for fists at higher heat? tryna get all weps to 40

was thinking zag or Demeter w zeus attack prob

[rain sedge]

I think I did zag with lambent plume

but demeter is most consistent I think

[solemn pulsar]

I think I did that with divine dash. If you’re in the mood for cheese zag with plume, make sure JS is off

[shy gulch]

yeah I might do that for fun

can’t get zeus attack then but I’ll try it

[sly remnant]

tough trait in 8 of 12 tartarus rooms

wtf game

[ripe crane]

That's a reset

[sly remnant]

my personal favorite were the tough savior witches in the room that looks like an 8

[true fable]

im not a believer in 1:30 through styx + dad on non beowulf

but if you think you can do it

especially not without splash dash

maybe with cluster rocks?

idk

[rain sedge]

I had splash dash and rocket, not cluster though

I died at dad anyway

I'm still not used to the control setup

with 10 more runs I'll get the muscle memory to do I think

[true fable]

fosh

i believe

[rain sedge]

I also think I've been playing this game too much for it to be healthy tho

so idk why I'm pushing for time/heat like this lol

[true fable]

i hit 600 hours so ive definitely been playing too much

anything to hide from the pain of everyday life

but its a fun game still so i dont mind

[shy plinth]

Would rather live in in-game hell as opposed to out-of-game hell

[true fable]

facts

big escapist energy

[rain sedge]

bright sadge

I mean I might have covid so have to self isolate for another 1.5 weeks anyway

so I guess I got time

[daring hedge]

the result of underestimating DC2 and a 3sack with TD3 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/791088729375899679/20201222174338_1.jpg

a single overtime tick away from death lmao

[shy plinth]

Holy poop

[rain sedge]

chiron 50 👀

[shy gulch]

good lord

[rain sedge]

we've gotten to where it's never been before

[sly remnant]

thats all the bows yea?

[rain sedge]

not heart rend either damn

whoa whoa whoa

[daring hedge]

yeah

[rain sedge]

are you doing 50 all aspects

[daring hedge]

chiron was the only bow left i hadn't done 50+ with

so now i've got all spears and all bows at 50+ at least

[true fable]

sjr

is that chain shot

[daring hedge]

listen it was either that or explosive shot

[true fable]

wtf

illegal

[daring hedge]

i know right

[true fable]

how did you hit the things you wanted to

[tidal flame]

Explosive Shot Chiron

[daring hedge]

i didn't but spraying special constantly just kind of worked lol

[rain sedge]

I think i'd even take explosive over that

oh but... chain might take off DC

[daring hedge]

yeah it was decent for DC hearts

[rain sedge]

tail do 50 all aspects, that'd be wild

rail all 50 isnt too bad I think

idk how lucifer works but eris and hestia must be easy for you

and zag rail is just basically eris without the bonus damage

[daring hedge]

yeah i did 50 with eris before the nerf

i'm by no means very good with rail but i did the tried and true splash dash and lightning strike

but now with actually having to be good and consistent with getting the buff, i dunno how easily i could do it again

[rain sedge]

bY nO mEaNs VeRy gOoD wItH raiL
And yet yo do the highest heat I could with the same weapon , I feel barrel-rolled now

[daring hedge]

hey i didn't mean it like that

[shy gulch]

lmao

i think im gonna shoot for 50 w hestia

doing all those mirrorless runs gave me some good practice w it

[daring hedge]

and it wasn't a sweep or anything, that eris 50 was very close iirc

oh nice croven

[shy gulch]

hopefully i can also get 50 w rama at some pt to get 2 weps up there

prob will start tn

[rain sedge]

I wanna do 50 hestia

[daring hedge]

actually having your mirror will feel like taking off a huge training weight

[rain sedge]

I've grown to like that weapon

[shy gulch]

yeah lmao tail

i have...death defiances?? no way

[shy plinth]

There, added a tab

https://i.imgur.com/rYMM9Fy.png

It is a long image

But shows the highest heat everyone has done on each weapon

[sly remnant]

oh thats cool tho

[rain sedge]

ooooo

[true fable]

i did 45 hestia this morning so i think i might try 50 soon

imagine being hardstuck 45 heat after 600 hours 🤣 couldnt be me

[shy plinth]

Currently only pulling from recorded unseeded runs

[shy gulch]

oh nice

[rain sedge]

wait you did 46 arthur tail?

that might be more impressive than the 58 rama honestly

[true fable]

48 iirc

[rain sedge]

I expect these sort of shenanigans from retrash but not tail

form says 46

[daring hedge]

i did 48 as well

[true fable]

yeah i think 48 off recording or smth

[daring hedge]

didn't upload it

[rain sedge]

how

like

[daring hedge]

no DC lol

[shy plinth]

"idk just dash strike lol"

[rain sedge]

that aspect can't take DC or FO, what did you even take

like it struggles with TD3 even

[sly remnant]

with this in place i guess i should start recording my 40 runs

[true fable]

read this in his voice

[daring hedge]

this was my pact for it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/778094853527437322/20201116210941_1.jpg?width=1202&height=676

dad fight was a pure battle of attrition

[shy plinth]

Ah of course, AP2

[shy gulch]

no time

21 hp

goddamn

thats with TD2 as well

[daring hedge]

yeah lmao

[true fable]

breaching piercing wave

both great hammers on nemesis

[daring hedge]

i can do budget nemesis with double edge arthur, but otherwise it's a struggle for me

[shy gulch]

tail i see you take CP a lot at higher heat is that usually worth it? i thought itd make bosses more time consuming

[rain sedge]

the boons and hammers arent even greaet

wtf

[shy gulch]

common lv 2 attack

lmao

[true fable]

croven i imagine its mandatory to avoid js/dc

[daring hedge]

i tend to take CP1 with weapons that are already hitting fairly hard like arthur

[shy gulch]

i suppose yeah

[daring hedge]

where you overkill enemies anyways

[rain sedge]

no extra DD, no athena dash, no weird ass hermes boon combo, literally nothing

[shy gulch]

i might try cp1 with hestia

[rain sedge]

imagine splash dash with arthur

[daring hedge]

yeah CP1 is pretty free on hestia i think

[true fable]

i think cp1 and cp2 arent bad ideas

[rain sedge]

no patty

good lord

how did you even manage this

in my book this is more impressive than the 58 rama

[daring hedge]

sheer force of will

[true fable]

its not supposed to be east

easy

if you did 40 arthur no sweat you might be an arthur extraordinaire

[rain sedge]

if you told me someone did arthur 48 I would've expected something like double nova shenanigans with super good boons

oof

still in awe

[zenith pilot]

how do you get these victory trims? 😮

[shy plinth]

That one is 25k purps

But Tail has a lot of darkness

[shy gulch]

man i cannot use hades spear

even w the debuff and good hammers the damage just feels pathetic

gg

[daring hedge]

yeah that was on my normal file where i have a lot of darkness

not close to affording it again in hell mode

[rain sedge]

what heat?

[shy gulch]

40

[true fable]

yeah you do not do sword anvil

[rain sedge]

haaave you tried rolling for explosive launcher/serrated edge?

[true fable]

that is just not a great idea

[shy gulch]

i literally got both in this run LOL

died to hades

[true fable]

rip

[daring hedge]

lol

[rain sedge]

o.O

[daring hedge]

dang

[rain sedge]

maybe just need more practice

[true fable]

serrated is a little bit of a death trap

[shy gulch]

its probably practice yeah

[true fable]

someday tailesque will have to explain where he finds damage on hades

[rain sedge]

idk my dude, I'd take serrated at 40

[shy gulch]

i dont think the dash range got me, i had epic hyper spring to counteract that

[daring hedge]

yeah serrated is very good but dangerous at high heat

[shy gulch]

sprint*

[true fable]

oh i would take it for sure

[rain sedge]

dude croven got hyper sprint

like

what

[true fable]

its still a death trap

[shy gulch]

dude im awful at melee weapons

it still felt so off

[rain sedge]

with hyper sprint it becomes a normal dash

[shy gulch]

i ran out of time on theseus

[rain sedge]

well, if you wanna do 40 spear no matter what

just do the astaos

[shy gulch]

and was going to run out of time to hades if i didnt die

lol

[rain sedge]

roll GY until you get explosive launcher

and press special for 20 minutes

[shy gulch]

do u mean charged skewer

[rain sedge]

call it done

[shy gulch]

im gnna try achilles cast builds at 40 as well

[rain sedge]

yea charged skewer soz

[shy gulch]

since thats more fun to me

[true fable]

explosive launcher GY kreygasm

[rain sedge]

you need 1 boon

[true fable]

hunting blades go brrr

[rain sedge]

just stick an artemis or an aphrodite flourish, done

[shy gulch]

hunting blades pog

[true fable]

achilles is so free

do the arty start trust

its good

[rain sedge]

achilles at 40... I got quite far with it but didn't clear it

[daring hedge]

crystal beam being good with it makes me happy

[rain sedge]

do the flood shot start

attacking on achilles are for simps

[true fable]

flood shot stinky

[shy gulch]

poseidon maybe? i havent done it but using poseidon means u can play a sword without playing a sword

[rain sedge]

imagine attacking on a weapon that don't recharge the buffs

[daring hedge]

flurry jab says hello

[true fable]

do the thunder special start if you want to do something fun

[shy gulch]

should i do a crystal meme 40 heat run

its time

[daring hedge]

yes

[true fable]

yeah

achilles 50 was with meme beam

[rain sedge]

I mean I know you're king and all but I will fight you on this hill, flurry jab isnt that good on achilles

[true fable]

wtf

[rain sedge]

if you play achilles play cast

stop man

[true fable]

imagine being wrong

[rain sedge]

it doesnt recharge it

[daring hedge]

but you can do both

[rain sedge]

like

if the special recharge the 4x bonus damage, it's good

but since it doesn't, it's not

[true fable]

if you do cast only achilles you wont get past 40 easily imo

with the input buffer special takes like 0 effort for 100% uptime

[rain sedge]

oh?

[daring hedge]

deadly strike flurry jab carried my 50 honestly

[rain sedge]

time to do it and stream it

[daring hedge]

if it was just the beams i would have lost big time

[rain sedge]

what's this?

[true fable]

tailesque hard agree

[rain sedge]

this might be the reason

[true fable]

deadly strike flurry jab is insane

[rain sedge]

I didnt have this

[true fable]

you can immediately rush after throwing

try it out

its probably the biggest qol change in the patch

[rain sedge]

whoa whoa

this is such a good change

wtf

might make attack achilles work

does your rush have i frame?

[daring hedge]

i think it actually does

could be wrong

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/791098835426082856/unknown.png the room of nightmares

[static plover]

are you using LC4?

[north dove]

yes I died 5 seconds after this screenshot was taken

[static plover]

then it doesn't matter

[daring hedge]

i underestimate linker so often honestly

[true fable]

just pain lol

linker damage rounding is so sketch to me

why is it 4 a tick

i think theres some funny hard labor math going on

[daring hedge]

linker bloodless leaping around the room creating unavoidable matrices and suddenly your SD is gone

[rain sedge]

rounding in this game is kinda funny

remember skull earring

are trial rooms longer than normal rooms?

[ripe crane]

Sometimes. Love taking them in late Elyseum

[true fable]

^

[rain sedge]

hmm

I see

also I know why I struggle with my setup

[true fable]

tartarus trials arent the worst thing in the world anymore but still bad

[rain sedge]

before, I have movement on the left, dash on the right

[daring hedge]

they apparently fixed tartarus trials being abnormally long but they still can take forever, really

especially with armored thugs

[rain sedge]

so they can independently decide

[true fable]

if you take asphodel trials you deserve all the hurt coming your way

[rain sedge]

now I have both movement and dash on the same hand, on the same controller

and my muscles are having trouble doing both at the same time

might bind a dash to a mouse button

[true fable]

ask jerds imo

[rain sedge]

also why is ashpodel trial bad?

[true fable]

he s the only one who runs that setup

they just burn time depending on the map

[rain sedge]

is this a speedrunning person

[daring hedge]

sort of yes

[true fable]

speedrunning/former high heat/community figurehead

[daring hedge]

he doesn't speedrun himself but he oversees a lot including the speedrun site and hermes cup

[dire steppe]

yeah tbh when i do trials i just accept like 30% chance to die

[rain sedge]

oh I remember - he's the speedrun.com mod

aite imma message him

[true fable]

yeah im not sure if he runs that setup anymore but i think he does

[dire steppe]

i have dash on MMB

[rain sedge]

mmmm

or it might be that I have to get used to the setup

maybe

since... if I have index finger on attack on mouse, I can't have dash on middle or right button

[true fable]

give it a few more days

[rain sedge]

so I have to put dash on somewhere around my thumb

[true fable]

again, mostly uncharted territory

[dire steppe]

i use index for attack and middle finger for dah

[true fable]

how did you connect the switch controller btw

[dire steppe]

then i just press with both to dash strike

[true fable]

i might try this setup

[rain sedge]

there's a program called ds4windows

PM me if you need link

it's pretty easy to pair with PC

[true fable]

fosh i'll do it when im off work or smth

[rain sedge]

imagine working while being at work

I havent worked since 2 weeks ago lmfao

everyone's on holiday

[true fable]

you think i work at work

[frosty juniper]

switch controller works via usb and just go turn it on in steam settings.

[true fable]

how do you connect it via usb tho

[rain sedge]

I do it via bluetooth

[true fable]

afaik theres no usb cable connection for joycon is there?

[rain sedge]

it's not the "controller" @frosty juniper , it's the joycon

I think he's talking about the pro controller thingy

[frosty juniper]

oooh.

[rain sedge]

that rich people have

[frosty juniper]

yeah, i have the 45 dollar one

[true fable]

yeah i wanna do single JC + mouse

[frosty juniper]

no rumble, no amibo

[rain sedge]

yeah joycon is small enough to make it balanced

I mean if we're being real here

the only time I need this setup

is for rail

because all other weapons I just play using controller right

[true fable]

probs

[rain sedge]

and the only rail that even need some vague aiming for special is eris

[true fable]

idk maybe shield

[rain sedge]

so because I choose a stupid weapon I have to deal with this

[true fable]

lucifer special aim is important

[rain sedge]

I mean, only psychos play lucifer at high heat

[true fable]

the special does 100 damage

thats kind of a lot

[rain sedge]

eris does 105 with the buff

anyway, basically rail

imma test it out a few more days but

if I still die randomly I have to figure something out

[true fable]

casual player asks epic game store for refund

bug "i keep dying"

[rain sedge]

imagine playing a game that have players wanting refund

can't be this goty

this aint ametur city like cyberpunk

xDDD

[next marsh]

nice, is arthur really the best sword for high heat?

i always thought it was too slow

but idk a lot about high heat runs

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/791112753686773840/unknown.png HE'S DONE IT

[next marsh]

well, i guess that answers my question

[daring hedge]

YES

congrats retrash holy cow

[north dove]

the entire 3rd phase in overtime was terrifying

[next marsh]

but yeah, thats insane

[north dove]

thanks Tailesque

[next marsh]

wait u were doing EM4!!!!

[north dove]

Yup

[next marsh]

wow

[daring hedge]

entire phase 3 in overtime you say

[north dove]

thankfully athena's call is clutch

[true fable]

retrash youre a legend

this is legit inspiring im gonna give nem another go

[next marsh]

anyone wanna bet on the next weapon to make 57 heat?

[north dove]

the start of the run was pretty nuts too, rare aphro attack into premium vintage and the very next room had a nectar

[true fable]

chaos shield probably

if retrash keeps this up

[daring hedge]

yeah that health is really good for RI2

[north dove]

I dunno if chaos shield has the damage

it's RI1

[daring hedge]

oh oops

[next marsh]

what about eris?

[daring hedge]

that makes a little more sense

[true fable]

i think you just need splosive return mr trash

[daring hedge]

still, no dark foresight

[true fable]

might still not have the damage for em4 actually

time to seed merciful end

[north dove]

ps4 controller yeah

[true fable]

are you gonna submit this to the seeded boards

wait

[daring hedge]

hell mode

[true fable]

ok im mad

[daring hedge]

rip

yeah

[true fable]

im gonna ask about hell mode again soon

once bablos back

[daring hedge]

i'm sure bablo is still all for allowing it at least

[true fable]

accessibility isnt an issue anymore

yeah he is iirc

[daring hedge]

we have our sheet at least

[next marsh]

@north dove are you gonna try to get 58 with hell mode, or are you already on hell mode

[true fable]

not allowing hell mode saves now would be like not allowing maxed regular saves

goodbye anyheat

the thing is if we go by sheet hades3234 doesnt exist

if we go by src retrash doesnt exist

[shy gulch]

lol

[daring hedge]

i mean i'm not saying we only pay attention to one or the other

just that, if src won't allow it, at least we do

[true fable]

nah i get that

hmm

[shy gulch]

whats src

[daring hedge]

speedrun dot com

[shy gulch]

oh right

ok

[true fable]

idk i think itd be healthy for 40 heat LB too

incentivizing AP1 for speed at 40 heat is misguided imo

[daring hedge]

i will still die on my hill of thinking normal mode should be able to unlock personal liability via the contractor

[rain sedge]

Retrash good 👀

[shy gulch]

i agree tail

[daring hedge]

then all of this stuff wouldn't be an issue

[true fable]

this is true

[shy gulch]

i dont get why its not

unlockable

[rain sedge]

Congrats, you did it you mad lad

[true fable]

i just think its easier to get src mods to budge than getting amir to lol

[daring hedge]

absolutely lol

[rain sedge]

The boons on retrash's run is so bad lol

How did the man do this all the time

[shy gulch]

lv5 aphro atk and lv2 zeus call arent bad

[daring hedge]

hey don't knock heartbreak strike on AP2

[shy gulch]

or is that athena

[next marsh]

oh btw whats hades3234

[north dove]

athena

[true fable]

its athena

[shy gulch]

ok even better imo

[rain sedge]

I mean that's the only 2 decent boon

[shy gulch]

hades3234 is a player

[true fable]

hades3234 is a korean hades player

[shy gulch]

from skorea

[true fable]

who has like 12 runs at 50 heat

[next marsh]

and why is he not on the sheet?

[rain sedge]

I see that side hustle lol

[daring hedge]

all you can get usually at high heat

[shy gulch]

2 decent boons is still pretty solid

[north dove]

don't diss the drunken dash, it did crazy work charging up that call

[true fable]

he isnt in this discord afaik

[next marsh]

oh gotcha

[shy gulch]

wait drunken dash charges up call??

[daring hedge]

yeah, all damage from you

[rain sedge]

He doesn't speak English well as he said himself

[true fable]

those still arent great boons

[shy gulch]

oh damn

[true fable]

just some raw hard gamering as usual retrash

[shy gulch]

i didnt know that

[daring hedge]

support fire is another good call builder

[shy gulch]

but yeah its still super impressive

[rain sedge]

Yea super cool retrash

[true fable]

blade dash does it quite fast too

[next marsh]

is call built per hit, or just based on the damage?

[rain sedge]

What's next? 59 for the throne?

[shy gulch]

i thought it was per hit

[true fable]

per hit i believe

[daring hedge]

per hit

[shy gulch]

bc things like hestia do not build call fast

at all

lmao

[rain sedge]

It's per hit

[next marsh]

ok, that makes sense then

[true fable]

each hangover tick might count as a hit idk

i could see that

[next marsh]

yeah i just had a hestia run where i got a single level of my call in the entire hades fight

[true fable]

getting smoldering on hestia is night and day

[rain sedge]

Also bright jerds sent me his setup, it's the same as mine basically

[daring hedge]

more evidence in favor of dedge being the best sword hammer, really

[shy gulch]

what call do yall even think is best on hestia besides like athena

oh demeters good actually

[true fable]

was there any question

[rain sedge]

So I just gotta get used to it

[true fable]

poseidon

[daring hedge]

lol no i know but like

[rain sedge]

Always has been I think

[daring hedge]

just cherry on top

[shy gulch]

see i was thinking poseidon but is it really worth

[true fable]

yeah i get you

[shy gulch]

i guess impervious is nice

[true fable]

pos aid is legit busted

[shy gulch]

i havent used it enough

[true fable]

imperv + clears a wave of enemies with rip current

[rain sedge]

It's a good panic button too

[shy gulch]

ok rip current is sexy

i'll give you that

[daring hedge]

greater poseidon call lets you turn your brain off and zoom in circles

[shy gulch]

ive had like a total of 2 rip current runs ever i think

[true fable]

r i d e t h e w a v e n e p h e w

[rain sedge]

Ok imma sleep, night all and grats again retrash

[shy gulch]

night!

[true fable]

nite schad

[daring hedge]

gnite

[rain sedge]

Super impressive run

[true fable]

good luck with your kooky setup

[shy gulch]

side note but goddamn elysium can just ruin runs

i had a good one just now that saw patty, but minotaur miniboss + room 33 shieldbros

wrecked the timer

[daring hedge]

elysium rooms are so much scarier than EM3 champs truly

[true fable]

idk i still hate champs lol

im pretty bad at that fight

[dire steppe]

asterius miniboss is scarier than em3 fight for me

because no acorn

[shy gulch]

i usually never use the acorn in elysium now, i kinda need either shackle or skull earring to keep damage output

otherwise time just gets me

[true fable]

i think i get tilted really easily against heroes

[shy gulch]

same

heroes is tough

[true fable]

one theseus bomb you thought you deflected? goodbye DD

[shy gulch]

literally!!!

that stuff does so much damage

[true fable]

heightened security iirc

[shy gulch]

wait

those are traps??

[daring hedge]

huh are you sure?

[dire steppe]

i’m pretty sure it’s HL

[daring hedge]

yeah

[shy gulch]

i thought it was HL

like it does 50 base

[dire steppe]

they do 50 normally and 100 with HL5

[shy gulch]

100 w HL5

[true fable]

tyler may have misled me lol

[dire steppe]

theseus is like the bother but worse

[true fable]

wouldnt be the first time that dude lied to my face without remorse

[daring hedge]

lmao

[true fable]

tailesque stream when

i want to give you my $

[daring hedge]

soon™

[true fable]

[honest kernel]

Holy moly

Retrash

HOW

[main delta]

is there a build that could theoretically beat max heat? or is it just impossible?

[honest kernel]

Rama bow would be the closest

But uh good frickin' luck

EM4 CP2 TD3. That alone is a huge pain

Combine that with JS3 and DC2

Luck is a requirement, basically

[main delta]

makes sense

[honest kernel]

I don't think Zeus shield has enough damage for that to be a thing

[main delta]

was fooling around with smoldering air and its super good with posideon’s call

[honest kernel]

... Not until I prove I can do EM4 with CP0

on 59

[main delta]

if you were able to get that early do you think that would have a shot?

[honest kernel]

With Poseidon aid ?

[main delta]

yea

[honest kernel]

Not sure it would be enough

[main delta]

and then hopefully getting rip current and wave pounding

[honest kernel]

Since it prevents you from doing your other attacks

Like, it's great still

Maybe Rama takes it

On Zeus shield I don't want it. Gimme Zeus or Dio aid pretty please

[main delta]

oh i was thinking eris

[honest kernel]

Eris might want Athena aid lmao

[main delta]

oh true

[honest kernel]

Remember, 1-dash

[main delta]

forgot about that

jeez that’s so rough

[honest kernel]

Also no death defiance without Skelly Tooth shenanigans

Have fun with that

... With all that being said

Zeus shield might be able to pull it off

Got to Elysium on 61 mirrorless already

On a whim too

[main delta]

that’s insane

[next marsh]

i am slowly grinding my way up in heat, about when should i think about switching to stubborn defiance?

[honest kernel]

Maybe at 32

Don't bother with it until then

[next marsh]

thx man

[honest kernel]

Unless you know you are going past that point, and want to get used to it early

[next marsh]

does it pair well with any specific modifiers, or is it just for the general difficulty

[honest kernel]

It let's you max out Lasting Consequences

And still have a decent margin of error

[next marsh]

that makes sense

[honest kernel]

Instead of having a big buffer for the entire run, you have a bit of a smaller buffer for each room

Makes bosses a bit harder, but it makes rooms overall not as threatening

Which means Benefits Package is also a more interesting take

[next marsh]

ah i see

i mean, i dont currently struggle with any bosses, except occasionally hades

and i dont plan to run EM4 any time soon

[honest kernel]

EM4 is super hard, yeah

[next marsh]

oh nvm, got BP confused with EM

[honest kernel]

Fun fight

But still hard

[next marsh]

it is a lot of fun, not really worth the heat tho

[true fable]

i mean sure

but if youre planning for rip current + pos aid + smoldering

thats a lot of boons

thats 5 boons minimum

on RI AP2

[next marsh]

just started working with TD3, i struggled a little in tartarus, but its been easy from there

[true fable]

sorry i was responding to WattM's comment earlier

[next marsh]

yeah i figured

also thx all for being welcoming to the noobs like me

[sly remnant]

hey i'm late but congrats @north dove ! you've been on that grind awhile i'm glad it paid off!

[north dove]

thanks 🙂

[sly remnant]

yea i really like the EM4 fight but its not really worth enough heat when combined with about half of the pact

but i still love the fight

thats why i'm doing all aspects with it at 40 heat

[next marsh]

sometime when i get a little better i should try Poseidon 41 heat

just for the leaderboard cred

[lusty mirage]

how far along are you on that?

[sly remnant]

i think i'm at 9?

[true fable]

nice

do you feel better at it

[sly remnant]

i'm going back and recording some of the aspects though so I can put them on the sheet because of the thing hat added today

i'm feeling better at it yea

honestly most of the time its me figuring out hwo to deal with BP2 on the aspect

and getting a decent build

[true fable]

trueee

bp can be very hard on some

[sly remnant]

honestly this run has confirmed one thing more than anything else

tartarus is hard

like i've timed out in tartarus more than anywhere. i have yet to time out in elysium

its either tartarus, blue head lernie, or dad normally where i die

[true fable]

it happens a lot in elysium for me

then again i play chaos shield

[sly remnant]

lmfao

i did chaos already

it wasn't too bad

cant imagine past 40 tho

[true fable]

its not bad if you get thunder flourish + jolted

the problem is getting those

[sly remnant]

yea i started ring

[next marsh]

oh yeah, gotta love the exclusive access as the final boon

just guarantees the win

[north dove]

57 nem vid is up in #self-promotion

[daring hedge]

i feel like a lot of this comes down to obnoxious time sinks rather than challenge, though. like staggered witch and numbskull spawns because they're worth so little in terms of enemy "points"

of course you occasionally get a cloner slugger witch room, and so on, but mostly the frustration (at least for me) comes from rooms that just take ages no matter what you do

[unreal pasture]

witches are much worse... since they run away

[true fable]

yes

[unreal pasture]

At least numbskulls come to you

[true fable]

the witches in the x trap room

no ty

[daring hedge]

oh no that room is the worst

[true fable]

if i see that room 10,11 or 12 its usually a reset on 50 heat

or a glorious death in elysium

to timer ⏱

[north dove]

that x trap room needs a rework

like at least remove the walls near the center

[daring hedge]

the worst part about restarting a run is going into tartarus with a "ah, time to slog through this again" vibe

at least with JS active

which it pretty much always is personally

[true fable]

its that gta meme

that i cant say without proxy deleting me

[sly remnant]

yea tartarus rooms are the most obnoxious about taking forever

and the enemies hide more than any other level

whether its around corners, in-between pillars, etc.

[mossy zinc]

@north dove congratulations on 57 Heat!

[north dove]

Thanks

[shy gulch]

if I could stop getting delta chamber with hestia that’d be great

[honest kernel]

Why is that a bad thing

You can still reload

[shy gulch]

no irs just that AP2 crossed out much better hammers

[honest kernel]

Fair enough

[shy gulch]

delta is basically a nothing hammer

[true fable]

at least its not seeking right

[mossy zinc]

Seeking Fire at least gives you +10% Attack damage.

[shy gulch]

yeah exactly

[mossy zinc]

Delta Chamber is nice for like Savior Numbskulls, I guess, and then that's it.

[vital grove]

Or teleport seeker witches, those are fun when they all randomly disappear around the map and throw heat seeking death balls

[true fable]

seeking fire does bad things to me on kbm

doesnt seem to work that well

[sly remnant]

yea its legit broken on kbm

[shy gulch]

aaaaa I keep losing to the heroes at 50 heat

frick

[true fable]

not sure about pure kb though

crovens the only pure kb player lol

[shy gulch]

lmao

I don’t really notice seeking fire

it’s basically just a flat 10%

[true fable]

interesting

most of the shots miss with autoaim for me

LOL

its just a nonfunctional hammer

[shy gulch]

I got delta chamber AGAIN

god is spiting me

ok fine it was useful in a numbskull room

[mossy zinc]

Seeking Fire only gives +10% damage to the Empowered Shot but doesn't affect it otherwise.

[next marsh]

it gives it a bit of a curve

but the bullet travels so fast its not super noticeable

[daring hedge]

if you use the anvil in styx while you only have one hammer, does it just add two hammers without taking away the one you have?

[next marsh]

nah it takes away your current hammer

iirc

[daring hedge]

because i know it takes away one if you have two already, but i'm having a weird run where the second hammer never showed up and it isn't a styx tunnel reward either

[sly remnant]

yea you'll just lose the hammer you have

[daring hedge]

big oof

[true fable]

??? that can happen??

thats slightly alarming tbh lol

[daring hedge]

yes, it's happening right now

first time ever

[true fable]

a glitch in the matrix

gonna have to start modifying what i say about hammers in #h1-builds-and-combat

"you usually get 2 but this one time tailesque only got 1"