oh soot we doing average
#h1-high-heat-strategies
gaunt fiber
yeah
formal gust
196
gaunt fiber
It's impossible for me to anything else than 178
3 times in a row
I'm as consistent as GY
I said it dont @ me
solemn pulsar
how do you post pics of your score it won't let me paste the image in the discord
lusty mirage
i forgot apparently
mossy zinc
You need an image for top 3, otherwise I'll just assume you won't lie about something as silly as this. 
No, the direct link to the image, not the message lol.
north dove
mossy zinc
Click to keep going. That's no average yet.
solemn pulsar
mossy zinc
lmao
north dove
my average is like 200 lol
formal gust
wtf
daring hedge
nyaanyaa i swear if you call retrash 🐢 of all people
mossy zinc
174 average? Screenshot and you'll be top 3.
gaunt fiber
He has one
solemn pulsar
im much faster when i just use my peripheral vision lmao
north dove
gaunt fiber
oh no the grind has started
solemn pulsar
ok no fooling this is legit, i wont grind anymore
mossy zinc
Only one number, please. 
true fable
189 now
mossy zinc
The lowest is your best, we'll take that.
honest kernel
Still not that impressive lol
formal gust
[HECK] I got a 163 on one but I [hecked] the rest up
mossy zinc
Y'all so turtly.
true fable
this is so funny lol
true fable
i wonder how the speed discord would do
mossy zinc
@north dove congratulations on top 5!
formal gust
gaunt fiber
pls stahp
lusty mirage
mossy zinc
@lusty mirage congratulations on top 3! 🥉
lusty mirage
i'm so old though, i think the test is flawed
formal gust
this is the most frustrating thing
rain sedge
everyone's dancing to nya's tune 
lusty mirage
if it penalized for early clicks would be a diff story
rain sedge
aaaaa you all have timer for hermes? we didnt have that ons witch
mossy zinc
Both of these can be true.
lusty mirage
formal gust
alright i'm actually getting really frustrated from this
solemn pulsar
it's really not a skill thing it's a brain thing
gaunt fiber
My brain likes 178 then
mossy zinc
Hardware also matters a lot.
formal gust
mossy zinc
Nice!
formal gust
should i send this to speedrun discord
solemn pulsar
yeah i was testing how much i could depress the mouse without clicking it each time to prep for it
mossy zinc
@formal gust barrel-rolled @daring hedge's 184 with a 183. Will Tailesque barrel-roll all of Cin's best times now for revenge? Stay tuned!
formal gust
I sent it to speedrun cord
mossy zinc
It's a SGG server leaderboard, though. They'll have to show me their times here.
rain sedge
does someone if richochet fire procs both lightning strike?
rain sedge
cool, I assume the speedrunners have scienced this?
do you know how much faster is the fast attack hammer that has +6 ammo?
mossy zinc
nuhai got a 176
I said they need to post their times here.
It's just meant for this community tbh.
true fable
that's fair
rain sedge
ok, I've kinda (?) gotten used to this joycon-mouse setup
might stream tomorrow to beat bright's 32 record
then onto 53 or so after that
true fable
pog
rain sedge
oh ellem is no longer tying to beat your 32 time
true fable
yeah im watching lol
rain sedge
is sword and shield the other 2 faster weapons?
I'm surprised fist isnt faster than both
dont the sword speedrun kinda need dedge
rain sedge
beo believers everywhere
tbh I might try this flood shot
is it easy at 40?
just flood shot --> mirage shot --> fully loaded --> hope for snow burst and chaos right
true fable
fully loaded is not the goal
just go for mirage/sea storm
get breaking wave and watch things die
rain sedge
sea storm? damn
true fable
sea storm procs on your normal attacks too
rain sedge
I dont get it
true fable
so it's a pretty sizable DPS increase
rain sedge
so poseidon attack and cast, artemis special?
true fable
nah
artemis attack
what im saying is
sea storm applies to more than poseidon boons
rain sedge
o.O
ohhhh
such huge brains
so the keepsake is something like poseidon -> artemis/zeus?
true fable
yeah
last god doesnt matter too much imo
after playing it a bit these past few days
aphro/dio/dem are all pretty good
rain sedge
cool, and since it's 40 I assume still acorn or skelly in elysium
ok, is sleepy time for schad
formal gust
have we cooled down on the reaction time circle jerk
mossy zinc
Everyone has finally seen they're turtles compared to me.
formal gust
you are the hare though
while you are not trying somebody is going to beat your time
also you aren't even first
and turtles are great
gaunt fiber
I'm a mechanical turtle
mossy zinc
Turtles are indeed great.
north dove
entering elysium with 1 entire boon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/790751305047212072/unknown.png
true fable
i've done the testing no one asked for
repulse shot on rama does not proc sea storm
@daring hedge my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
tidal flame
true fable
it's such a low value change for them to make lmao
do you know how many runs i reset for repulse shot
it was only like 3 but still
tidal flame
lmao
north dove
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/790768437215232030/unknown.png what is going on
true fable
@daring hedge i just saw your zag bow video thumbnail and thought it was a nyaanyaa vod instead
vital grove
sly remnant
GET IT RETRASH
daring hedge
i hate how double edge seed is tempting me to just twin shot seed
but i won't
but also repulse and sniper hammers are wearing my sanity thin
daring hedge
tidal flame
The rise of unseeded runs and the fall of #h1-high-heat-strategies sanity
sly remnant
what if the timer stopped no matter what after the second tunnel
and started up again when you gave cerberus the sack
the problem with the sac is there is no upside to the RNG
even if you get a boon you don't want with AP2 there's still a feeling of "i can make this work"
with hte sac theres
the expected outcome
and a bunch of strictly worse outcomes
there is no upside
its literally
hope i get my 52%
its like a coinflip except on one side you simply aren't dead yet and on the other side...you lose 45 minutes of your life and sanity points
sly remnant
theres a pinned message with general 32 advice
if you need more help we'll need to know what aspect you are playing
tough dune
theres a pinned message with general 32 advice
you guys are ahead of our time
thank you about that pin advice
I learned some things
sly remnant
feel free to ask questions if you have them we are all very opinionated in this channel and happy to voice our thoughts
tough dune
for sure : )
sleek juniper
Decided to jump from 32 heat (cleared, not necessarily easily, on each weapon, though not each aspect), and jumped to 40 heat. Finally did some playing around with things, and realized I'm just getting wrecked hard from the extra heat options, and not necessarily from FO3 (though it certainly wasn't helping, and makes final boss extreme with EM 4)
sly remnant
EM4 is a difficult pact
its probably not worth it at 40
says guy doing all aspects doing 40 heat EM4 right now
north dove
2-sack but still timed out right as phase 2 ended
it's so hard to deal the necessary damage with a melee weapon :/
I had a level 7 aphro attack too
dire steppe
h eh wait a second
did someone say shield normal attack procs sea storm
without tempest strike
shy gulch
yes
dire steppe
wot
shy gulch
it knocks foes back and apparently thats enough
dire steppe
interesting
honest kernel
And considering shield can attack pretty darn fast
👀
I'm exploring Poseidon Special right now
For anyheat
Or Poseidon start, rather
It's actually insane the moment you get Breaking Wave lmao
dire steppe
interesting
honest kernel
And you have mad scaling for bosses too
Wave Pounding, Razor Shoals, Sea Storm ...
dire steppe
zeus on attack or zeus where
honest kernel
Zeus on aid
Since you get also nab Aphrodite on attack and go Smoldering Air
Dash also works fine too
Or attack
Really, you don't want it on cast lol
dire steppe
would this be with the you shield or what
honest kernel
Since that one's for Dio, in case you want to go for Scintillating Feast
I am 100% Serious
Check the #h1-victory-boasting times
honest kernel
I was VERY surprised myself
But it just works
The moment you get breaking wave rooms are free
Since Attack and Bullrush knocks stuff away easily
And special still does pretty fine with Poseidon special
If you place it right
dire steppe
that looks like heartbreak flourish
dire steppe
insane
honest kernel
The most recent one is just a Charged Shot start where I went "Might as well try out Tempest Strike"
And it worked beautifully
dire steppe
what if... dashing wallop
honest kernel
It's alright too
With this setup, I might want it more
For speedruns
But it's not that great outside of the extra range
So there's that
If I start Pulverizing Blow or Charged Shot, I might go Tempest Strike
Otherwise, I default to Tempest Flourish
non-meme tempest strike? o:
I'm actually serious
shy gulch
i guess i need to try tempest flourish
honest kernel
All that setup needs to roll is Breaking Wave lmao
Way better than relying on Merciful end to show up
dire steppe
boiling point is the real poseidon legendary
sly remnant
don't need to charge up call if they are already dead to breaking wave
dire steppe
i feel like i never take those god gauge boons
sly remnant
i'm really hoping when i start seriously attempting 56 clears
that my clear has huge catch in it
honest kernel
Sunken Treasure isn't even that bad
Since it gives you money back to buy a boon, maybe
Better than Nourished Soul, at 'least
sly remnant
i just wish i could heal from it
dire steppe
i wish they fixed something about nourished soul
honest kernel
Make it sellable and it's no longer a meme anymore
sly remnant
just make it additive and its fine
dire steppe
either making it sellable or disabling it with lc4 or making it additive with LC
honest kernel
Demeter already has Rare Crop for the unsellable
She doesn't need 2 boons like that
dire steppe
athena has 2 unsellable boons ;)
honest kernel
And you need an Athena core that isn't the aid to get them
dire steppe
True
honest kernel
Meanwhile ? Rare Crop and Nourished Soul can show up at the first Demeter boon
That's the sad part
sly remnant
if snow burst wasn't so nuts....
mossy zinc
Lady Demeter would be so much more welcome at high heat if you could just sell Nourished Soul.
Getting an AP1 roll with Rare Crop and Nourished Soul or AP2 roll with either one of them is just a total bust.
At least Rare Crop does something.
So if we could at least sell Nourished Soul, that'd be nice.
You'd be actually making a choice there.
And buying a boon from her wouldn't just be 270 Obols down the drain.
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/790788578036547634/unknown.png now I'm really sad... another 4-sack but this run could actually have done it on 3
oh nvm it's a 5-sack again
what are the chances of that again?
ripe crane
On a good run? 70-80%
honest kernel
I feel your pain
north dove
sly remnant
LMFAO
tidal flame
the game is sentient
mossy zinc
It's Amir.
dire steppe
smoldering amir
north dove
alright 1 minute 30 seconds let's do it
sly remnant
two 5 sacks in one day would tilt me into the sun
north dove
yup
dire steppe
gave up on 59 for now i see
north dove
oof 2 sneaks and a doomstone, would have been rough on an actual run
daring hedge
http://puu.sh/GZQ5m/ac4237912d.jpg moments before disaster on a run where i actually had incredibly good pace
cerberus spot wasn't safe and i took some dumb hits in phase 2
honest kernel
Oh no
sly remnant
oh no tail 😦
true fable
oh jeez
mossy zinc
Is that "Oh no, Tail" or "Oh, no tail"?
sly remnant
it is supposed to be commiseration
tidal flame
Oh, no, Tail
true fable
those core boons look so juicy too
mossy zinc
those core boons look so juicy too
No Lady Aphrodite boon is why he lost.
daring hedge
attack was epic athena until styx artemis exchanged it, it was great
also this happened
mossy zinc
I lied. There was a Lady Aphrodite boon.
That's why Asterius didn't wanna leave.
I wouldn't wanna leave either.
sleek juniper
What's the strats for trinkets? Do you tend to use the god boons to plan your build, or go with something that helps power up?
Though at the moment, I think I probably just need to turn it down to like 36 heat or so and practice dealing with all the restrictions but do fo0 and build back up to fo2 once I get it figured out.
true fable
depends
can you get boons? (e.g. do you have AP/RI on?) then use trinkets in tart/aspho
if you cant then just shackle or smth
or coin purse if ur retrash
gentle bridge
https://imgur.com/a/Zq57PQx i've done it, boyo!
true fable
nice job!
gentle bridge
even with a 5-sac, managed to pull through. also, touch of styx dark is SO GOOD
true fable
yes we pray for patty
sly remnant
Congrats!
somber leaf
I didn't ever get Patty then 2 sack, but that sounds like it'd be pretty easy haah
sleek juniper
@true fable now I feel silly for not considering shackle as an early game strat
true fable
well it's not really a phenomenal choice until like 45+
somber leaf
heat that high feels like a lot of dice rolling, no?
true fable
not if you just plan on getting 0 boons
somber leaf
by that do you mean specifically plan to get exactly 0 boons?
mossy zinc
Though at the moment, I think I probably just need to turn it down to like 36 he...
If you want to practice for 40+, don't take off FO2.
gentle bridge
is it possible to not have any boons to sell for UC? if so, what happens?
spice whale
You'd probably be allowed to go on as normal.
If you have nothing to purge, you should be allowed to progress.
mossy zinc
That's what happens, yes.
spice whale
Fair enough
It's funny how Hades even has dialogue for getting to him without any boons.
gentle bridge
we can never please hell dad, boons or boonless
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/790815493350883348/unknown.png how is this working
td2 btw
north dove
seeded for curse of pain
ember cobalt
58 Heat and with special still on Q
mossy zinc
If you just die until you get it, it's unseeded.
If you replay the same seed, it's seeded.
north dove
darn lost to dad, fight is still really rough without 2 dashes
honest kernel
I could see it being harder for Chaos shield
Need to actually be open to use the special
Unlike Zeus shield
true fable
i ran some chaos shield charged shot
helps with timer a lot
i was running JS1 TD3 though
daring hedge
ah this perfect shot run is going pretty okay actually
ah second hammer is explosive shot
shy gulch
F
daring hedge
actually got like 5+ perfect explosive shots off in the champs fight
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790825568529809428/20201222001811_1.jpg please send anvil prayers
tidal flame
how do you find rooms to do that
daring hedge
uh, well
tidal flame
oh no
daring hedge
perfect was lost, of course
tidal flame
T.T
honest kernel
Frick
daring hedge
relentless volley lmao
honest kernel
Yeah ok lol
north dove
how's the timer?
north dove
but is that post or pre sack
north dove
😦
next marsh
hey @honest kernel i was just checking out your high heat runs and found out you play on PC, do you mind listing/explaining your keybinds?
honest kernel
Give me a sec
honest kernel
Yikers
honest kernel
hey <@456226577798135808> i was just checking out your high heat runs and found ...
https://gyazo.com/a16775e885f12b3f57adcaf619dc671b Nothing too outlandish
next marsh
@honest kernel thank you so much!
tidal flame
yeah
north dove
doomstone as the first summon is also ideal
honest kernel
Gorgon head is also whatever, depending on your weapon
daring hedge
yeah, you can burst doomstone pretty easily
honest kernel
Sneaks and butterflies are the ones you don't want
daring hedge
and it does build a ton of call
north dove
you can prevent him from spawning more minions if you keep the doomstone alive
daring hedge
wait why? usually if the first summon is kept alive they just get added to the next two
and you have to deal with three
north dove
he doesn't spawn more if there's enough small crystals alive
honest kernel
^
daring hedge
what in the world
tidal flame
Tail reconsidering his life decisions
daring hedge
lol i mean
i've been getting much worse summons recently
to where i couldn't have used that trick
daring hedge
yeah definitely
stompers are basically free and gorgons are too usually, barring the stray projectile that gets you occasionally
but even then it's easy to mash out
honest kernel
Butterflies NEED you to burst it down, or suffer what's basically Asphodel lava 2.0
Sneaks are what's actually scary about Gorgon Heads, but a thousand times faster
And not easy to track down
north dove
or you use spearpoint and use them to strategically avoid dad swings
honest kernel
Not the plan I want to rely on, when Dad's actually the 'least scary part of the fight for me
daring hedge
a big part of why i'm starting to value twin shot over triple at this heat level is so i can actually burst the soul catchers, because with triple shot you're just asking to be stunned continuously
shotgunning them does not work unless you have athena call
honest kernel
Doomstones are annoying, but don't stun you like the Butterflies do
dire steppe
how would a quad shot hammer fall in the N shot hammer ranking
true fable
doomstone is kind of a nice mini agreed
better than triple worse than twin is my guess
since you super cant shotgun
dire steppe
it would be four at 90° angles btw
daring hedge
what if you could center yourself juuust right to shotgun all four
dire steppe
that probably would only work with a big enemy hit box
honest kernel
Getting flashbacks to One Step From Eden's Crossfire spell, somehow, lmao
true fable
isnt this just old chaos
daring hedge
what if you thought you could make good time in tartarus, but tartarus said: only unarmored skulls and witches
next marsh
besides zeus and rama, are there any other weapons that have a shot at the heat record?
honest kernel
Retrash apparently making Nemesis work
daring hedge
tartarus is arguably the most draining part of these runs by now
honest kernel
But outside of that, maybe Chaos, maybe some sort of rail
Don't think anything else works
daring hedge
probably many more weapons
shy gulch
didnt bablo want to try hestia at 58 or something?
honest kernel
I was thinking Hestia
daring hedge
crepes was attempting that recently
honest kernel
But Eris is ... also a consideration
next marsh
hestia is nice, but idk how you deal with the blue shields
shy gulch
crepes did 56
north dove
well I'm running nemesis seeded because double edge start is the only way to make it work
dire steppe
next record will be soaker
tidal flame
hestia is nice, but idk how you deal with the blue shields
yeah they don't take DC
shy gulch
you use every other pact w hestia lol
next marsh
well yeah, but a bad BP will screw you over
honest kernel
That's with Any weapon
daring hedge
AP2 messing with hammers is maybe my least favorite part
shy gulch
agreed
honest kernel
AP2 messing with rolls and making you choose the same boon again is also a why
dire steppe
they could have made AP2 apply to UC wells too
north dove
it shouldn't mess with hammers or poms imo
honest kernel
Makes me want to use Fated Authority almost lmao
dire steppe
and wells of charons
daring hedge
yeah the way it affects poms makes me avoid poms entirely if i have more than two boons
typically not worth it
honest kernel
For me, it depends on what I start with
dire steppe
doesn’t the description just say “you have less choices when being offered boons”
honest kernel
if I have a decent special from the get go, I fetch a pom or two ASAP
Otherwise, I fish for Obols and Centaur Hearts
dire steppe
ap2 turns a pom room into worse than a nectar room lmao
daring hedge
yep, that's why i mention if i have more than two boons
they're alright with a good start
north dove
that's when you go for the big brain mom's trinket and get all the poms you need right off the bat
honest kernel
Ah yes, the seeded-yet-not-seeded strat
daring hedge
huge brain heat strats
dire steppe
would be funny if AP2 made poms do nothing if you had <3 boons
honest kernel
"You get NOTHING. You lose. Good day, sir"
That's what the game should display if that happened
daring hedge
lol that would be pretty on par with how AP2 makes me feel most of the time
dire steppe
Here, have some Nourished Soul
honest kernel
"No, I do not need an upgrade on the divine dash, can you please upgrade the special" 4th pom goes on the dash on 2 boons
dire steppe
They should rename it to “Withered Soul” when LC4 is on unless they plan to change it
next marsh
another question from the noob, how often do you get a run (when going for WR or similar) that feels winnable? And how often do you win those?
honest kernel
Veeeery much depends on what World Record you go for
For the high heat ? Depends on the weapon
next marsh
right, high heat is not going to be easy
tidal flame
another question from the noob, how often do you get a run (when going for WR or...
People have been doing streaks on 40/45 heat
honest kernel
I don't reset often on High Heat, actually, since Zeus Shield is super malleable on what it can do
I just die trying to make it work LOL
But on a weapon like Nemesis ? Probably reset a lot
And I'd say most resets would be because of hammers
daring hedge
yeah, runs you think are dead in the water can still make it surprisingly far
honest kernel
Or bad time in Elysium
next marsh
yeah zeus seems super versatile
been meaning to try it out, but i cant get it to work super well for me
honest kernel
Ain't an easy weapon
dire steppe
i wish point blank wasn’t incompatible with sniper
next marsh
chaos just seems better, if more boon-dependent
honest kernel
It's more safer overall
And generally a ton easier to use
Compared to Zeus shield
next marsh
@dire steppe that would actually be kinda fun, just trying to avoid the mid-range hits
dire steppe
when you do 61 with zeus shield SGG will nerf special so you can’t use your shield while it’s out
honest kernel
I'd go back to Chaos shield in a heartbeat if that happened lmao
daring hedge
love to have youtube comments saying purging my unpommed attack boon was a mistake while i run shackle
tidal flame
Did you educate them?
daring hedge
yeah
true fable
but did they listen
tidal flame
Isn't Pefect Shot better than Twin Shot because you get 250% of base damage instead of 200% of base damage? Plus you avoid the range penalty and get the easier power shot. Of course you don't get extra damage on non-power shots, but is that really enough to make Twin Shot better?
Maf
honest kernel
Quick mafs
true fable
theres a difference between +100% and +1 shot
daring hedge
But perfect shot still has better average burst and damage over time. Say you fire 20 times with arrows that deal 100 damage individually (20 and 100 make numbers easy and whole) with each hammer with the Zag bow.
Twin Shot - 6 crits is 1800 + 34 non-crits is 3400 = 5200
Perfect Shot - 3 crits is 2250 + 17 non-crits is 4250 = 6500
this dude goin off
shy gulch
absolutely massive brain
daring hedge
lol
true fable
yeah i caught a few of them croven they looked nice
daring hedge
imagine only getting six crits from all your arrows after shooting twenty times with twin
shy gulch
thanks haha
the annoying part is my laptop can barely handle streaming + playing so I have to constantly pause
true fable
ah that sucks
honest kernel
Yeah
true fable
have you looked into just local recording?
could be an option if you have the disk space
shy gulch
I might try that but I’d have to get a hard drive rly
onyx venture
My understanding is recording is actually worse for performance than streaming
tidal flame
Is it guilty pleasure if I go through your YouTube comments Tail
It's legit entertaining lol
honest kernel
My understanding is recording is actually worse for performance than streaming
Depends on what quality you want, from my experience
But usually, recording's a bit more intensive
daring hedge
Is it guilty pleasure if I go through your YouTube comments Tail
lol, most are kind and well meaning, but yeah there are a couple that are real than think
true fable
im doing it right now lol
might leave a couple from my new channel for fun
you'll get at least 3 questions about tempest strike from me
daring hedge
"why aren't you using tempest strike?"
tidal flame
lol, most are kind and well meaning, but yeah there are a couple that are real t...
That's why it's "guilty." People are indeed nice and encouraging, especially for YouTube.
honest kernel
I don't have many myself, just a bunch of questions and some congrats
tidal flame
But the ones that aren't are... amusing
honest kernel
Welcome to Youtube
Comment sections have been like that for ages on smaller channels
On the bigger ones ... It is it's own environment
daring hedge
fox hope bless you for the comment you left
tidal flame
Rereading that, that sounds way more agressive than I intended lol but eh
north dove
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/599449585710006288/790835935902302228/my-image.png why AP2 nemesis is pain
honest kernel
So I really am the only one that doesn't mind Flurry Jab for dash attack stuff
Now that's a bit of a surprise
true fable
dash nova isnt good retrash but its funny
enemies cant know where you're going if you don't either
north dove
flurry slash prevents you from dashing out it until you're done swinging and it'll just cannibalize your dash strike combo
gentle bridge
dash nova has killed so many of my runs before. heck i think ill take cursed over it
honest kernel
flurry slash prevents you from dashing out it until you're done swinging and it'...
Makes sense
Wouldn't want that to happen with nerves
toxic token
I totally agree with this list Double Edge is just Double Edge above all
honest kernel
That moment when the 3 useless hammers are only that because they don't work with dash attacks
Sword meta is wack
tidal flame
people will probably ne happy if sword just have DE as the only hammer
true fable
hell yeah
honest kernel
you should check it out
You are never going to give up with that meme, aren't you
tidal flame
what comment?
tidal flame
ah the satan guide
next marsh
Oh also what’s the best builds for high heat chaos shield?
tidal flame
RIP
next marsh
i have been running dio special + ares attack, but idk how much longer that will hold up
tidal flame
Ares Attack and Zeus Special
gentle bridge
do all the chaos shields get the dio on-hit?
next marsh
i dont have the boon restriction all the way up yet, so i can usually get the duo which helps a lot
true fable
i think its ok
honest kernel
do all the chaos shields get the dio on-hit?
Yes
next marsh
@gentle bridge yeah
gentle bridge
oooh i see. that works for all boons?
daring hedge
retrash's nemesis tiers inspired me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790839530139680768/my-image.png
honest kernel
Well technically Zeus' special has an internal cooldown of 0.2 seconds
So it won't get all the hits in
But it should get one or two, and just scale decently while being great for rooms
tidal flame
Second tier is Point Blank Perfect Right?
daring hedge
yeah
true fable
relentless is useless?
daring hedge
very
true fable
what if you get zeus special :^)
shy gulch
lmao
next marsh
this just for zeus, or for shields in general?
next marsh
ouch
next marsh
well yeah, i guess those are some of the worst hammers
honest kernel
Honestly, this could apply to anyheat speedruns too
honest kernel
Breaching Rush in WTF. Very nice
true fable
i dont think charged flight/dread flight are great on their own
wait i thought
nvm
i mixed em up
LOL
that's supposed to be explosive return
breaching is A
honest kernel
Figures
north dove
Is minotaur rush that good on beo? Feels like you would spend 200 years charging that thing
honest kernel
^ don't think it's too good
true fable
its mostly if you get sudden or charged shot
honest kernel
Makes sense
true fable
idk
i think having mino on any arty attack can never be that bad
im curious to see what you think though retrash
north dove
About the beo tier list?
true fable
yeah
honest kernel
Arty attack is like the number one reason for Minotaur Rush lmao
true fable
like which hammers you like
north dove
I don't play enough beo to know LOL
true fable
that's fair
honest kernel
Aren't there more hammers
true fable
yeah im missing splosive i think
daring hedge
charged flight is the only hammer
true fable
LOL
north dove
I did like 3 runs at 51 and got the record
true fable
big mood
honest kernel
Also missing Dashing Flight I think
And Empowering Flight
Altho that one goes in the "WTF" tier too
Actually what hammers are invalid on beo
true fable
i think both do tbh lol
honest kernel
It might get all of them
honest kernel
Ok yeah Pulverizing Blow's the one that was left
So Explosive Return, Dashing Flight, Empowering Flight, Pulverizing Blow
Those are the 4 missing
honest kernel
Name that tier "Why are you like this AP2"
true fable
why are explosions so bad lol
explosive shot and explosive return both F tier
i guess explosive upper is good
explosive fire isnt great
honest kernel
I love Explosive Return on Zeus shield
daring hedge
oh explosive upper competes with breaching cross for dem fists' best hammer
it's very good
true fable
yeah it's strange
i think explosive return is actually good on all other shields
now that i think about it
honest kernel
Makes sense
But Beo special kinda stinky
And yet, it's one of the higher clears' focus
Such a strange aspect
true fable
yeah retrash youre an enigma
daring hedge
nyaanyaa did 53 with charged flight too
it's basically beo but you don't have to play beo
true fable
with minotaur flight right
LOL
that honestly sounds like a dream
ive started using special a bit more in anyheat though
it can be quite nice
i wish i understood how the second bounce was determined a bit more though
honest kernel
It tries to aim at a valid target
true fable
sort of
honest kernel
That can be an enemy, a breakable object
Or sometimes, an offscreen thing ?
It's weird in some rooms
true fable
sometimes it'll bounce from one end of the room to another and other times it just comes right back
shield specials do weird things on EM1 furies
i know that
other than zeus obviously
honest kernel
Asterius miniroom also notorious for that
I have success just throwing it at a wall near my target
And have the second bounce hit that
unreal pasture
"why aren't you using tempest strike?"
the youtube community has the real sleeper meta
just you wait...
honest kernel
What if I told you
For anyheat speedruns, I am experimenting with Poseidon starts
With Zeus shield
unreal pasture
For Splash Dash or?
honest kernel
Tempest Strike with Charged Shot is actually super nice
Tempest Flourish is my default
unreal pasture
oh... ew
daring hedge
i would believe it
true fable
ngl i dont understand it either LMAO
honest kernel
oh... ew
#h1-victory-boasting message The results don't lie
Breaking Wave is why this works in the first place
unreal pasture
Breaking Wave is pretty dumb
honest kernel
Shield is actually super good at triggering it
Even without Tempest Strike
Between the attack and Bullrush
daring hedge
oh dang, so still basically a vehicle for breaking wave
honest kernel
oh dang, so still basically a vehicle for breaking wave
Pretty much
toxic token
They called me a madman
daring hedge
i was hoping for some madness to do with tempest strike being worth it for tempest strike itself lol
honest kernel
Yeah not happening
It's either Sea Storm or Breaking Wave abuse
I plan on doing both lol
toxic token
Nemesis came and bringed balanced I was proven right
daring hedge
what
toxic token
I tried Zeus with Posseidon special and seastorn and they told me it's bad even Baj did
hah
how the table have turned
daring hedge
sunken treasure simply too good you're so right
honest kernel
Turns out Rooms make up a big portion of the game
And Poseidon is the king for that
true fable
sunken treasure is great
because if you refer to mr ponywarriors chart
you get halfway to huge catch
daring hedge
for some weapons; tempest strike can also be downright useless even for normal encounters on others
or poseidon in general
honest kernel
For Charged Shot, you literally yeet enemies to the other side of the screen lmao
honest kernel
I'm glad Zeus special doesn't care about their blocking as much lmao
true fable
the one annoying thing about poseidon cast beo
is that i hate greatshields now
for some reason they cant block dio cast but they can block poseidon cast
daring hedge
JS3 speeder greatshield rooms are an absolute nightmare of circling around for an eternity and hoping to find a single opening when one can't immediately spin at you
honest kernel
Powershots ? Lol you wish
true fable
and right as you powershot they regen a shield
daring hedge
bright please you're activating my ptsd
daring hedge
oh no
true fable
LOL
i might do some more tomorrow
early sleep today i think
no hades3234 stream for me
daring hedge
lol
shy gulch
holy crap lag is bad
do any of y’all know how to potentially lower quality of stream or something to make it less laggy
honest kernel
Is there a way to set an Encoder via Streamlabs
true fable
im assuming the game is just dropping frames?
shy plinth
You're using SLOBS or OBS studio?
true fable
whats your bitrate?
true fable
actually that shouldnt matter
shy plinth
Settings->Output->Advanced mode
shy gulch
I’m new to this
shy plinth
Check under "encoder" and see what options you have there
If you see NVENC (New) you want that one
shy plinth
x264 will chew up your processor
honest kernel
BIG TIME
static plover
the NVENC encoder is incredible
true fable
it might be under "output" instead
shy plinth
Yeah settings (gear in bottom left)->output tab
true fable
it depends on the card right?
shy gulch
I don’t see NVENC
shy plinth
What do you see, x264 and QSV?
tidal flame
Which card do you have?
tidal flame
AMD cards won't have NVENC
true fable
^
shy gulch
I’m on a macbook fwiw
shy plinth
Aha
tidal flame
oh xD
static plover
NVENC is a NVidea only thing
honest kernel
^
shy gulch
unfortunate
tidal flame
Yeah Apple cut ties with NVIDIA a while ago.
static plover
oh...rip 
tidal flame
x264 might be your only hope
honest kernel
Do you see any other option
shy gulch
my video bitrate is 6000
shy plinth
Can't change anything
honest kernel
Lower that down
shy gulch
I ended stream
shy plinth
Do you have anything else under the encoder dropdown besides x264
tidal flame
Yeah 2.5K to 3K is good
shy gulch
my other two options are like apple VT H264 software/hardware encoder
2 options, one for sw one for hw
honest kernel
^
tidal flame
yup
honest kernel
It's cool
tidal flame
Just stream/record and tweak it from there
true fable
go live
shy gulch
yeah I tried taking it out to see if it would make it less laggy lol
but that didn’t rly do anything
true fable
what fps is it right now
shy gulch
60
shy plinth
Lowering it to 30 and outputting at 720p is probably best
shy plinth
Yeah that's solid
honest kernel
720p 30 is ok too if performance's still an issue
true fable
^
honest kernel
But with the encoder and bitrate changes, it should be miles better
shy gulch
alright I think I’ll try that for now and see how it goes
true fable
i do that just for accessibility purposes RN
baj are you gonna submit that 8 min run btw
honest kernel
Didn't record any of them
Wanted to see if it was any good at first
But uh that kinda happened
honest kernel
I'll record subsequent attempts, in the hopes of at 'least a sub-8
Sub-7's my goal
true fable
why 13 heat? the legendary LC4 strat?
honest kernel
Yup
true fable
nice
honest kernel
Hourglass would actually be super nice if I went for Artemis special stuff
true fable
why?
honest kernel
Speedruns are like that
true fable
fair
honest kernel
But even if I get one, it's still worth
Since I can then switch to earring for Styx or something
If I get two, oh boi
Having it on attack, for Aether Net, for Liquid Ichor, for Nail of Talos is also good
honest kernel
Eris Bangle and Nemesis Crest aren't as good
true fable
that pun is quite good lol
maybe 13 heat is the way
gives you more options
at least for anyheat
honest kernel
On any other weapon I wouldn't go for it lol
honest kernel
Eris Doesn't need it
true fable
you could select based on well items
true fable
if good well items > hourglass, if not > skull earring
honest kernel
I only run that strat because I know that the only scary thing in anyheat is the Hades fight itself
And even then, Bullrush spam when in doubt
true fable
yeah i needa think
i dont think you need it but it does stand out as a good option to me
i guess it is sort of like priv stat vs FF when you consider HC though
honest kernel
It's more of a "What else am I running ?"
I don't need survivability
Dad call and Hourglass are the only 2 keepsakes I could think of
That actually helps me in that regard
honest kernel
Yeah, for the ones that actually do something
Looks at Distant Memory disappointingly
true fable
the real ambiguity bonus
if only there were the point blank shot to distant memory's sniper shot
imagine
do +30% to enemies in a nearby radius
honest kernel
Wish granted, it has the pre-buff radius of Passion Dash
true fable
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