#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 183

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 4:48 AM

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ok

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zeus shield is more fun and better than i gave it credit for

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Yeah, that aspect is really strong.

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 4:48 AM

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like it obviously was but dang this is fun

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i didnt even get a super good setup, it doesnt need much to get going

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yeah ok i was very wrong LOL

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 4:57 AM

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my best run so far would have made it if i got patty and 2sack

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guh

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made it to phase 3 with a little under a minute left

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 4:57 AM

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@daring hedge what hammers did you get for sub 10 Hades Aspect?

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 4:58 AM

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i don't recall if i got sub 10 with hades aspect but serrated point for sure

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exploding launcher is still good but probably slower by a bit

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Didn't you do sub 10 all weapons at some point? Maybe m misremembering.

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 4:58 AM

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i did sub 12 with all of them

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 4:59 AM

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Oh okay.

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I actually think Exploding Launcher is not that much better than Cast.

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I've been just Dash-Strike x2 > Cast with Hades Aspect when I was doing sub 12 earlier today, except when I got Exploding Launcher, I would do that instead.

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It does a bit more damage than Cast, I guess.

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And you don't have to go pick up any Casts.

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:02 AM

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50 base +150% damage even without a boon is much better than cast lol

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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That's 125. Crush Shot starts at 90 and has really good pom scaling + potentially Parting Shot.

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Or the extra hits you get with Electric Shot etc.

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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you can't spam casts like can you spam a free special

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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You kind of can.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Also Crush Shot is melee

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Special is ranged

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And depending on which cast you take, you have different trade-offs

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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cast spamming is contingent on infernal soul and picking up stones every time, or just getting lucky with well items and chaos with stygian soul

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Meanwhile the special with Exploding Launcher is just generally good

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:05 AM

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exploding launcher is a hammer and then you're done

spring kettle Dec 21, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Artemis legendary is a myth

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:06 AM

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and with infernal, you have to deal with lodging

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:06 AM

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m talking specifically about optimizing DPS with double Dash-Strike into Cast. With 3 casts it's actually kinda hard to not have at least one cast.

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It's just on bosses that you can't do it forever.

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:07 AM

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yeah

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i suppose it would be good if you don't have exploding

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:07 AM

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Exploding Launcher is obviously better, but I don't think it's by much.

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:07 AM

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for regular encounters i figure they'd be pretty close yeah

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but for bosses exploding launcher would pull ahead by a lot

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because of lodging

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:11 AM

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The way I see it, you only really need Deadly Strike on your Attack. You don't need to put poms on it because you already get the +150% with Punishing Sweep. And Special only matters with Exploding Launcher. So my strat was just get an Attack boon early and then focus on cast because putting poms there actually adds a lot more DPS relatively speaking.

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/790358522541375559/Hades_1262.png?width=772&height=434

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:12 AM

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that makes sense, that stuff i do agree with

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but if you're optimizing for speed, you really just want to keep going for serrated point and hunter dash or chaos lunge

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the casts are an okay holdover but won't really be giving you your speed in a sub 10 scenario

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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I think Tidal Dash beats Hunter Dash kind of in every scenario now for DPS.

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Well, maybe not for Zag Bow or Rama?

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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hunter dash with shackle is really good

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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definitely not in rama's case, i can affirmatively tell you

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it's very good

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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i think it depends on what problem you need to solve i think

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:13 AM

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same with zag bow, yeah

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a lot of my 59 attempts are helped out a lot by hunter dash if i get it

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tidal wouldn't be anywhere near as useful overall

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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hunter dash is really good at killing bosses

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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yeah

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that damage is huge especially with CP1/2

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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For non-beo shield, I actually want Passion Dash the most

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:15 AM

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I suppose maybe Hestia. So like 3 aspects I can think of. I think for Nemesis, Tidal Dash is still way better.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Tidal's knockback is awkward except for bosses, Hunter dash doesn't do too much

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Also opens up duos nicely

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:17 AM

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yeah, i just mean in terms of bow specifically barring maybe chiron and some hera situations, hunter dash is still very very good

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:17 AM

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mmmm. is tidal bash better on nemesis? i'm p sure hunter dash still better

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:17 AM

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On nem you want that Hunter Dash 100%, you do crits

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:17 AM

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in fact probably every sword but poseidon

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hunter dash is better

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and if you double edge on poseidon you probably want hunter dash too

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:19 AM

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Hunter Dash base damage on sword is 15 or with Double Edge is 30. Tidal Dash starts at 35.

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And is AOE with wall-slam potential for more damage.

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Pom scaling is also just way better.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:20 AM

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There's also the "Oops I accidentally knocked foes away from my attacks"

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Also makes getting backstabs harder

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Finally, Crits are a thing

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:20 AM

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yea tidal dash with double edge can be an overall dps loss

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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honest kernel There's also the "Oops I accidentally knocked foes away from my attacks"

That's player skill imo not boon potential.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Try that in Asphodel when everything's lava

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Some rooms you don't want to knockback ever

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Not without losing time, anyways

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Enemies take mad damage if you push them on magma.

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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and then they jump to effin china

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:21 AM

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They don't, unless you have Stygian Shards ?

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Like Tyler pointed out, they take like 15 damage and just jump away

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Or float above the lava

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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also we put arti attack on like everything.

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i think in a vacuum tidal dash > hunter dash

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:22 AM

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^ That I could see

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Especially post Asphodel

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:23 AM

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but its a lot closer

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:24 AM

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There's also the fact that Hunter Dash doesn't add an extra hit to your dashes or dash-strikes.

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:24 AM

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DC purger is huge

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i prefer tidal dash

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Yeah

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:24 AM

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i sold my hunter dash in my 50

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but my hunter dash was a huge reason i got out of tartarus. i just don't need boss damage after that

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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It's not like I would avoid an Epic Hunter Dash if I see one or anything like that, but I just think Tidal Dash is overall better on almost every aspect.

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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i think thats mostly true

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:25 AM

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Even if you do indeed lose some time in Asphodel, your Satyr Tunnels are gonna be so ridiculously fast.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:26 AM

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I find it weird on Zeus Shield, but it's like fine there too

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Just not optimal compared to Passion or Divine Dash

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IMO

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I can see it being hard for Zeus Aspect because at least for me, I like to dash around enemies while bashing them to keep the disc on top of them, so if I knocked them back with every dash, that would probably drop my DPS a lot if my disc just keeps whiffing because of it.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:27 AM

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I just focus more on wallslams where I can if I get Tidal Dash

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And try to throw the disc so it still catches them as I wall slam them

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Also BullRush a ton

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Yeah, you'd have to play very different. I wonder if that's potentially more DPS, though, but I think you would lose some. thanthink

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:28 AM

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From my experience, it evens out in most biomes

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And in Styx, it's just benefits

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:29 AM

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If you get any t2 boons, you dash once in any tunnel, and everything is dead lol.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Altho in my high heat attempts I'd rather keep the special, attack and call lol

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Or with DC2 I guess you dash three times.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Don't even need to dash three times

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two, maybe once, because you can dash-attack at the same time

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Yeah true.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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And it's not like Zeus shield has trouble with DC to begin with

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:30 AM

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^which is why beo loves splash dash

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:31 AM

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When you bullrush a ton, Splash Dash is actually pretty fine

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:32 AM

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altho flood flare beo doesn't like splash dash as much for obvious reasons

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:32 AM

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Yeah, I don't know how you make Minotaur Rush work or maybe it's just a Zeus Aspect thing, but I got it on Zag Shield, and I was doing way better DPS just mashing Attack and Dash-Strikes like before lol.

north dove Dec 21, 2020, 5:32 AM

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umm that's the first time this ever happened to me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/790451438810955777/LOL.mp4 shadeembarassed

▶ Play video

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:33 AM

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believe thats an f10

north dove Dec 21, 2020, 5:34 AM

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yeah I just did

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:35 AM

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even if for some reasons its not a bug

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its a godawful player experience

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:37 AM

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mossy zinc Yeah, I don't know how you make Minotaur Rush work or maybe it's just a Zeus Asp...

Well, with Zag Shield you tend to build on the attack, which has a +15 base damage on the attack and dash-attack, so the minotaur rush isn't as good, unless you fish for crits.

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With Zeus shield, you tend to focus more on the special, meaning the extra 500% damage is suddenly much more relevant

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And with Artemis attack ... That's all you need to dish out big numbers

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It's also a lot more safe

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Since you can have the special tick in while you charge

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:39 AM

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Stygian Beo likes mino rush in tartarus for the neutral game but infernal beo actually likes mino rush all the time to go scoop up wayward cast stones

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:40 AM

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There's also the potential highroll with Sudden Rush

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With Zag shield, you tend to want Pulverizing Blow

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:40 AM

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God i love me some mino sudden rush

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:40 AM

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my 57 heat clear literally had that combo lol

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Yeah, Pulverizing Blow and Dashing Wallop seem to be the #1 hammers for Zag Shield.

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790454143830982656/20201220234207_1.jpg haelian would be proud

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run is absolutely dead tho

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:42 AM

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What the

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Timed out in Heroes

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NotAGoodSign.jpg

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Well

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Thats uh

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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EM4 is why

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EM3 you could get away with it

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Yea I know

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EM4 should just be worth more heat

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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Without EM4 we likely would be developping mirrorless strats by now lol

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But yeah, 4 heat is ... not quite enough

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:45 AM

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The fact that we are pushing up to 58 without an upgraded boss fight says a lot

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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Well I didn't push it because it's hard as balls, mostly

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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DDs arent negotiable in our current understanding. But EM4 places a lot of things outside of our control (sac, free rooms, ap2 luck) directly front and center

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Lol its also hard

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:46 AM

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What if I told you

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I'm actually considering DDs again

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:47 AM

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Lmao there's a decent chance its good on shield

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But BP2 :/

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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I wish they had pushed EM4 a bit before 1.0 to let us grind it and fine-tune the fight.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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https://gyazo.com/65fe641f28aca069451b1da094a7d292?token=3f402709b8d05dee8eae8cc2d3ab2ccf cough

Gyazo

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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SIR

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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our hero

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patty

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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WHAT ARE YOU DOING

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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THAT WAS A JOKE ATTEMPT

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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LMAO

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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I did NOT expect to get that far lol

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 5:48 AM

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So did you take the trial 👀

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:49 AM

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No lol

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Dio and Demeter trial's hard

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On Shield

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:49 AM

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All the other bosses went through a lot of fine-tuning from player feedback. EM4 they just kind of pushed out and that's it.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:49 AM

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Died next room to butterflies

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Because dealing with that and chariots + witches ain't easy

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:51 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790456289099513856/20201220235020_1.jpg lol

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I love that the timer's highlighted

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"Hey, by the way, you never had a chance. Your time's up"

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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daring hedge https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790456289099513856/202...

I don't see a Lady Aphrodite boon there.

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So, you know what you gotta do. squirtnya

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Pog look at the trippy shot

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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After Party best highroll

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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when lord dionysus decides to take away boiling blood zagluv

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Wait that's RI2

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oh snap

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:53 AM

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i am not doing EM4 with one dash

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hell no

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:53 AM

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I can see that

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lmao

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I'm glad I found a shield rotation that basically ignores that fact

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Now if I could stop stepping on urns that'd be great

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 5:53 AM

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yeah, taking from your pact in that regard... only works when dad is not super for non-shield lol

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:54 AM

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That's in part why I took RI3 so early

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Because I knew shield could get away with it

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Might as well get used to it as soon as possible

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if only I used the same logic for EM4

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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My current project is EM4 TD3 40 heat all aspects

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So I can understand how all the weapons work in the fight

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Actually sounds doable

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At 40 heat

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Yea

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You still have sac issues

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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as is par for the course of TD3

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No surprise here

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For high heat

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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But I'm hoping I'll be able to better understand the fight

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 5:56 AM

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that sounds like a difficult project but fun

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good luck

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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^

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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sly remnant So I can understand how all the weapons work in the fight

They all work really well if you pass on FO. dusa

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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lmao

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Lol I'm currently taking FO2 on everything

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Haven't done arthur yet

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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i should probably start doing that

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 5:57 AM

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Prepare for a world of hurt at first, lol

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for FO2 Arthur

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If you aren't used to it, you're about to get smacked a ton

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:58 AM

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Just do every aspect with HL5 CP2 HS FO2 DC2 EM4.

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 5:58 AM

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No

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 5:59 AM

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Then ask Amir why he hates melee. squirtooh

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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I mean beo does not care about the fight

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Beo just has to get there

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In fact most shields are pretty good at it

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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^ I just suck at it

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But yeah, you can time your blocks in such a way that Hades won't hurt you, ever

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BullRush having I-frames is a blessing and a half

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:01 AM

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^ easy as crap to clock him on mkb

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*block

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Until he crosses you up lol

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But if he's too close, timing a bullrush is more than enough to save you

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Yep

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I've done demeter. It wasn't too bad

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Talks actually trashed the fight too

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*talos

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(I highrolled blizzard shot)

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Talos was actually super fun

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 6:03 AM

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Now that I think about it, Talos just makes the Blizzard Shot downside null and void

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 6:03 AM

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wait

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that sounds fun as hell

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i should try that now

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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It is fun as hell

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Highly recommend

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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I just do Curse of Drowning shenanigans lol

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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CoD is good too

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 6:04 AM

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im doing 32 heat all aspects rn and that may be the build i do talos with

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ive never done a cast build w talos so i should try it

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Achilles wasn't too bad

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Its the only spear I've done tho

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I dread the rest

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Yeah, I didn't mean Aegis really because block is a thing. I meant Stygius and Malphon.

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:05 AM

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No swords. Im no retrash

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Demeter and talos were fine

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Zag.....im not sure

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What to do

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Fists have the damage to make up for being melee

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Sword ... not so much

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Sword means you have to actually be good at the game

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Which i am not

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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honest kernel Now that I think about it, Talos just makes the Blizzard Shot downside null and ...

I've been saying this in this channel for months, and you just now think about it. dusa

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Flood Shot start and Deadly Strike start on Talos are both really good.

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 6:07 AM

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I don't read stuff 24/7, and I don't recall actually seeing anything about Talos

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So there's that

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I don't read stuff 24/7
Weirdo.

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:08 AM

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I doubt talos could go much higher with blizzard shot

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But it was fun

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Much higher than what?

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45 was pretty easy.

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Cast builds obviously kinda fall of when you go higher. Hard to get what you need.

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 6:09 AM

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I havent done 45 uet

mossy zinc Dec 21, 2020, 6:10 AM

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But it's still Malphon at the end of the day. Can do pretty much anything that Zag Fists can do and probably more.

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 6:25 AM

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honestly starting to value twin shot over triple shot at this level of heat, i think

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triple obviously has the higher cieling but the opportunities to get all of twin shot's damage are far more frequent than picking certain shotguns against things like elysium enemies or superdad

sly remnant Dec 21, 2020, 7:30 AM

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@true fable showing off the power of flood flare. Inspiring me to go back for 56

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 7:37 AM

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You should be able to do this with Hades I think. A bit of practice is necessary but the aspect is strong without many boons

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 7:47 AM

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If you go for that, consider going with DC2

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 7:55 AM

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what do yall use with hades spear? ive been doing artemis attack adn then just tryna load up on athena really

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Deadly strike, then I just want serrated point or exploding launcher

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If I get the launcher I want Heart rend

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Otherwise Athena good so would not mind DR

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 7:59 AM

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is serrated point better than launcher w hades?

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or does it kinda depend

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 7:59 AM

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It's your best dps tool

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 7:59 AM

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they're close but i would say yes

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 7:59 AM

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But it's not free

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That's the issue lol

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 7:59 AM

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serrated's main drawback is making certain situations at high heat more dangerous

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 7:59 AM

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yeah im considering high heat

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well i just got offered both so i'll take serrated and see how it goes

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Should be ok at 40

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:00 AM

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thats what im doing it at lmao

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:00 AM

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yeah for 40 you're fine

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as long as EM4 isn't active

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:00 AM

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yeah its not

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i do not like touching em4

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well as long as HL and FO are on at least

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:02 AM

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@daring hedge do you think Hades is ok for extreme heat or not really?

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:02 AM

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it's a little dependent on serrated and exploding, but it's very very good after getting one of those

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i'd call it serviceable for extreme heat and only really good with those hammers

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:03 AM

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So it would be worth practicing it

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If I want to go for heat grinding one day

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:03 AM

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yeah

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:03 AM

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If you really want to push Spear, Hades is the most likely to go the highest

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:04 AM

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It's not that I want spear but

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:04 AM

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it can do 50+ reasonably well given you can net one of the Big Two hammers

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:04 AM

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I feel like I invested a bit of my time into it lol

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Same for me and Zeus shield lol

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:04 AM

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So might as well go for it

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:05 AM

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daring hedge it can do 50+ reasonably well given you can net one of the Big Two hammers

Oh no it's GY 2

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:05 AM

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lol it still works fine without anything through to like the start of elysium imo

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:05 AM

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Nice

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:05 AM

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but by then you really want something other than just base attack without serrated or exploding

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otherwise it's notably more difficult to get through

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:07 AM

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Yeah I get that

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:07 AM

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A 150% damage boost to your attack and special can only get you so far with the base damage of spear

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:07 AM

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I don't think I can do 50+ well with GY

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:07 AM

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It's sad

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:07 AM

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And I'm getting ok at it lmao

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:07 AM

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yeah, spear is a weapon i love, but every day it makes it hard to love it

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i might get back on the boat of trying to push zag spear past just 50 heat

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but also: ugh

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Don't do this to yourself LOL

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:08 AM

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It's a hammer matter again

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What a weapon

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:08 AM

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Also me "Let's see how far I can push Arthur"

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:08 AM

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lmao

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:09 AM

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I'll try GY 40 streak for a bit and I'll see after

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"hey look it's consistent"

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:11 AM

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have you ever had an attack based GY build work all the way through for 40+

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and no serrated point does not count

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i mean the real GY attack combo

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Stab Stab Stab

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:14 AM

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I struggle with the attack cancel at FO2, it feels dangerous and hard to execute on pad

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:14 AM

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It's like bootleg Arthur combo

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Less Damage, less overall range

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It suuucks

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:14 AM

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But the attack can carry me through Tartarus and Asphodel

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:15 AM

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yeah it's really a shame it's not good

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:15 AM

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With Zeus and jolted it's nice

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Or Epic attack speed

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Lol

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The first attack is really fast tho

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That's it

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:16 AM

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daring hedge have you ever had an attack based GY build work all the way through for 40+

This answer would be no lmao. But I can try later. The thing is I'd rather spin tbh

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Random, from the second chamber you take to the fifth

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With it being more likely to be the second or third

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The game doesn't put the sack in a specific room, it just gives it to you based on a % chance after a mini-room encounter

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That's why you see speedrunners and high heat runners take the miniboss rooms first

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They tend to be faster overall

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And if you get a 3-sack, well you went in the 2 fastest rooms already sooo

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If it's the second room ? You got the higher reward for free

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Anything after a 3 chamber sack is unlikely/usually a run ender

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:19 AM

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and then there's 2sack mentality where you take anything you want for the second and reap the rewards or suffer for your hubris

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:20 AM

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^

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If I recall, it's almost a coin flip in your favor

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like, 55% to get a 2-sack or something

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:20 AM

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it’s more than 50% for 2 sack yeah

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:20 AM

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oh neat

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:21 AM

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but it’s 0% when you have a good build on 59 heat

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:21 AM

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^ This hurts to see, but it's so true

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Many great damage builds ended on a 4sack

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:21 AM

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"oh this run feels good i bet i can- never mind"

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:21 AM

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It's usually what you want to do

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You only don't go for it if you really want the reward in a regular room and don't mind gambling on a 2-sack

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:22 AM

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all styx rooms should be minibosses rooms sick of choosing something useless just because of big fancy skull

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Honestly, the entire Styx chamber mechanic could use a tweak or two

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So much RNG built into it, it's crazy

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:23 AM

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loyalty card should guarantee 1-sack smh

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:23 AM

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i like the concept of styx normal ends mimicking the style of normal encounter chambers. obviously it's super problematic and wastes too much time at high heat, though

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:24 AM

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^ And just in general, when you want to optimize the game

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Speedrun or High heat alike

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:24 AM

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yeah

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and it's just the worst that this rng fest comes at the very end of a run

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:25 AM

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I tend to underestimate the difficulty of styx sometimes

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Thing is, It's not even pre-determined

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:25 AM

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And take some solid 50 hits

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:25 AM

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You can get a 2-sack or a 5-sack on the same seed

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:25 AM

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styx being so rng based is probably my least favorite part of this game

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its at the very end and it ruins so many good runs

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:25 AM

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They'd need to rewrite the RNG to fix it, which, at this point in the game's state, is likely too late

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:25 AM

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yeah

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its unfortunate

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:26 AM

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i feel like there could have been a secondary effect of TD where, for example, TD1 limits sack to four sack, TD2 and 3 to three sack, or something

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:26 AM

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there’s a mod that enforces 3 sack so surely SGG can do it

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Like, they did it with Survival rooms and TD

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:27 AM

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if modders can

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Surprised they didn't go for the Sack RNG too

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:28 AM

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the survival room and TD interaction is kinda weird anyway because the IGT timer pauses during those regardless, like a than encounter, even though the latter is still allowed on TD

unreal pasture Dec 21, 2020, 8:28 AM

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the stupid tiny rat rooms are obnoxious in styx as time wasters

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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sometimes i feel like than rooms end quicker if you let him kill them but i know it’s personal bias

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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And then Fishing pauses the timer ... Even if nobody really bothers with it when the grind's over because it wastes time getting to the fishing spot in the first place

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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lol yeah

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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but it just feels like if you’re kicking his ass he wants to draw out the fight

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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And then Troves

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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if i'm grinding high heat sorry fishes i just do not have the patience right now

unreal pasture Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Troves are depressing in high heat

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:29 AM

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i make exceptions for chaos fish and surface fish, obviously

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:30 AM

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troves have a 25% chance to work in heat lol

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:30 AM

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And with TD3, not worth the time

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Troves allow me to full spin and leave the room lmao

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:30 AM

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at 50+ TD3, troves simply do not exist

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:30 AM

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I occasionnaly just activate it and dip immediatly

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:30 AM

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lmao rude

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:31 AM

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sometimes i take troves if i need to suicide

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can’t believe sgg would design an elysium chamber without everyone’s favorite suicide egg

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:32 AM

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i love egg rooms and being able to turn off my SD-management brain

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:32 AM

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"Oh no I forgot to die for the extra death defy please don't be a death defy replenish bo-"

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It was a Death Defiance replenish boon

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:32 AM

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oh my god no i did this twice today

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in the same run

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:32 AM

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dude thats the WORST

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oh god

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that soundsa wful

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Everytime

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:33 AM

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and like, of course those were pretty much the only two times i forgot

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it's so cruel

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:33 AM

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you ever accidentally suicide egg when you already died that chamber

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a mistake you make exactly once

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:33 AM

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no but i will always make fun of haelian for egg clip

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:33 AM

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I accidentally lava'ed myself, thinking I still ran Stubborn Defiance

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On the first run I made the switch for tests

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Still made it to Elysium lol

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:34 AM

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also side note but god im miserable at melee weapons at highish heat

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give me my long ass range i need a crutch

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:34 AM

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It ain't just you

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It's hard

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:34 AM

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yeah that's just the game

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:34 AM

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Retrash's the exception, not the rule

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:34 AM

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melee is very rough at high heat

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Shield only works because Blocking and Bullrush are stupid powerful defensive tools

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And even then, Chaos aspect was the forerunner for a while because it had R A N G E

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Until the nerfs came around, and I started to push Zeus Shield because ???

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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rip being able to stagger thunder flourish specials with chaos 😔

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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and then you run charged shot on baj shield

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Massive risk on 1-dash

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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so it’s basically ranged again

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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oh btw are there any particular hammers that are good w zeus shield

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Insane otherwise

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:36 AM

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a lot of them seem decent but im not sure which stand out

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:37 AM

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I made a tier list a while back

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Give me a moment

dire steppe Dec 21, 2020, 8:37 AM

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it’s kind of weird how the bull rush damage ramps but charged shot is always 80

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:38 AM

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https://gyazo.com/fd5bcb379937e9a3544574fb55808a92 There ya go

Gyazo

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Still accurate to this day

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None are bad, but some are a decent boost of damage/safety

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:38 AM

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good luck telling apart those icons if you don't play shield a ton

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:38 AM

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lol

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:38 AM

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yeah pulverizing blow and explosive return seem really good

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lmao

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i have a hammer choice pulled up rn so i could compare

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:38 AM

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i like the little horns for minotaur rush

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:38 AM

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But in no order : Sudden Rush, Pulverizing Blow, Explosive Return, Charged Shot in S

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Minotaur Rush and Ferocious Guard in A

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:39 AM

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the little horns are pretty cute

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:39 AM

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Empowering Flight, Breaching Rush, and Dashing Wallop in B

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But at high heat, this might be a bit more different

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:40 AM

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how so

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:40 AM

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Breaching Rush and Ferocious Guard might be a swap, and Charged Shot might go down to A

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Armor breaking is important at high heat, especially against the EM4 adds

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Ferocious Guard is a nice damage boost, as it is global, but is just lackluster

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Compared to the other options

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:41 AM

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right

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Especialy as I start running Skull Earing

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:41 AM

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makes sense

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Suddenly that +20% isn't so big anymore

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Charged Shot with 1 dash, as I said, is just super risky

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And needs some time to get used to

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:41 AM

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honest kernel Especialy as I start running Skull Earing

It means you get hit with a shield shadefear

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Yes, it happens

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:42 AM

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high heat players? making mistakes?

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not possible

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Can't just block all day with the timer looming in the back

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Tbh I only get hit with GY to make the spin worth it

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 8:42 AM

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i only get hit to handicap myself

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:42 AM

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(I'm kidding ofc)

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:50 AM

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i only get hit because im bad

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also good lord is it satisfying when enemies cluster around the zeus disc

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:52 AM

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Feels even better to push enemies into the disc as they spawn in

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 8:52 AM

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"this way if you please" zap

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:55 AM

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christ fsr it feels like 32->40 is a big jump in heat to me

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got 32 for hades and zeus first try and struggling on 40

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 8:55 AM

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It's a big jump in general

tidal flame Dec 21, 2020, 8:55 AM

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32 - 40 is a big jump, but not as big as 40 - 50

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Game is hard

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:56 AM

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10 is in fact larger than 8

tidal flame Dec 21, 2020, 8:56 AM

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True haha

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:56 AM

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but yeah im hoping to break 50 at some point

tidal flame Dec 21, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Keep at it. I'm sure you will make it

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 8:56 AM

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just right now im trying to raise other weapons' heat

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i'll get around to 50 when i feel like it

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:02 AM

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flood shot beo feels like the way for 50+ beowulf now

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m converted

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I saw how fast it killed rooms

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It's legit

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with DC2

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:03 AM

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thats what i used at 32, it was super fun

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who needs skill when u can get charged shot and splash up the room

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:08 AM

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right

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Shackle seems legit good on Arthur

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:20 AM

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shackle is legit good on a lot at high heat

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:20 AM

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i dont know if i'd call it good

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we're just outta options lmao

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Like if you're doing ap2, RI1 or worse

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Boons don't matter that much when you just have that +100% on both attacks

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:21 AM

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It's a consistent boost until you get something better

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That's why I started using it

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Like, common aphro is 50%

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It does have the weak effect but still

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Common Aphro with 1 pom and Skull earing totals up to 110% damage

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That'd be good enough in my books

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On Special, you need even less

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:23 AM

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And skull is what, 30% hp?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:23 AM

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35% hp

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Which pairs well with Stubborn Defiance

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Right

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Makes sense

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:23 AM

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And if you get Patty, well you highrolled so you can switch off of it in favor of something else

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:23 AM

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And Arthur will have more hp than anything anyway

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So you do Lc4 too?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:24 AM

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With Stubborn Defiance ?

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That's about the meta at 40+

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And why you take it to begin with

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Makes you less susceptible to BP rooms

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Do you find HL or LC harder in general?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Probably HL

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:25 AM

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yeah HL for sure

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LC + SD has become natural to me now

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:25 AM

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If I were to choose between the two of them

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This would be a more interesting question if Stubborn Defiance wasn't a thing lol

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Not much room for error on bosses with SD and lc4

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:25 AM

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And even less for rooms

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When BP enters into play

vital grove Dec 21, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Yeah BP2 can be nasty

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:26 AM

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If you die in a room with SD popped, chances are with DDs it's gameover anyways

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Guan-Yu is the weird exception, somehow

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But that aspect's wack anyways

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Doesn't want FO, doesn't like DC, TD3 is rough

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:27 AM

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ahhhhh i got hit JUST as my athena call went down and lost a dd

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hate when that happens

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Me when I actually use Ares call

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"Oh, well I guess I get hit anyways uh"

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:29 AM

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baj is it really the case that divine dash doesnt unlock DDs?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:30 AM

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It does

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Athena aid doesn't

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:30 AM

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check #h1-builds-and-combat

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:31 AM

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honest kernel But that aspect's wack anyways

oof

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:31 AM

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No offense

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:32 AM

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i mean

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say it with your chest

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Wait what

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Over the Internet ?

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On writing ?

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Don't think I can

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:40 AM

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dammit

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got all the way to heroes, killed minotaur and brought down theseus

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and died to regular theseus

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demeter is an annoying god for him to get

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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is this still 47 mirrorless croven?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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I concur to that

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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also i'm not sure baj knows your keybind setup

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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For the Demeter thing

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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if you care to share

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because i was completely in awe as a fellow kbmer

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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no that was 40 heat hades

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oh lmfao

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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My current setup is honestly pretty standard, compared to what I can do

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:41 AM

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i play on a laptop, dont use the mouse, use the arrow keypad for movement, then bottom left of keyboard for everything else

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Especially with controller lol

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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z is special, x is attack, c is dash, a is cast

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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baj i mean no offense to either of us or tyler

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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What do you more around with

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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but croven is the best keyboard player

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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move?

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i move w arrow keys

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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holy

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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... Are you on an Azerty keyboard ?

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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no

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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you had me at "a is cast"

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:42 AM

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qwerty

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LOL

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oh 1 is summon, i need to rebind that to something more convenient

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thats just default

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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AWSD is the standard for movement

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A being set to cast is ... weird

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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DUDE

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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see

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i started gaming with hollow knight, and these were the defaults

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so i got used to them

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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shy gulch oh 1 is summon, i need to rebind that to something more convenient

i think you need to rebind everything to something more convenient ngl

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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and here i am

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LMAO

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this IS convenient for me

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Whatever works for you

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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well good for you lmao

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:43 AM

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It's just, what's replacing the "a" bind lol

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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for summon

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have you considered "S"

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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thats call

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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seems right up your alley

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🤦‍♂️

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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LOL

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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this feels like a calvin and hobbes comic strip

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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C for call S for summon

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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nah c is dash

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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D for dash come on

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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d is reload, which is funny because i have the same finger reloading and shooting

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and yet hestia is one of my favorite weapons

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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w then?

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:44 AM

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w is nothing

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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So you don't use the cursor at all

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Makes a lot more sense if that's the case

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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shy gulch w is nothing

it's free real estate

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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oh i cant upload a picture

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i was gonna upload my bindings

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Get it to Imgur or Gyazo or something

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And link it

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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^

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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yea one sec

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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maybe the bindings are the key to GY 50+

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/zJ9Ze7L.png

Imgur

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cursor i just use to select things like boons and such

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Basically plays like Controller

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wait wait

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Makes sense

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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controller but it's kbm

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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But no stick

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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do you think god lives in heaven in fear of what he created

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Cursed

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https://gyazo.com/a7e467d2d6cb7de0c7f3aee6ecf14570 Mine's a bit more standard lol

Gyazo

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and i thought people playing dash on cursor were monsters

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:46 AM

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look when ur on a laptop, with no external mouse, somethings gotta give

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 9:47 AM

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croven that setup is truly wild to me

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:47 AM

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can we just get you a mouse dude

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LOL

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:47 AM

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honestly itd probably throw me off at this rate LOL

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Better not mess with his autopilot ^

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:47 AM

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but if yall wanna crowdfund im not saying no

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:47 AM

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this is literally a calvin and hobbes strip

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your keybinds have been blowing my mind since you explained it yesterday

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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im not even sure i can say im KBM since i literally just use the keyboard

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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... it's nearly 5 AM for me already

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What

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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i remember distinctly thinking "it's can't be that weird" when you said your setup was cursed

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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just K

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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it was that weird

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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KB oops

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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just kb

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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boardmouse

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To me it's not standard, but not that weird

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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its better than playing on a DDR pad

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or whatever that was

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:48 AM

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how do bows work?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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who's playing on a DDR pad?

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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wdym

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Auto-aim

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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^

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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That's how he does bow

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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yea

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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whenever i do kbm aim assist and attack at cursor off they aim straight ahead for a split second before snapping

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it's very jarring

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

#

^

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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oh that does happen sometimes

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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The reason why I turned it off lol

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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its not too bad tho ive gotten used to it

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:49 AM

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bruh this is wild

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I consider a cool setup, actually

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:51 AM

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no it is for sure

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dont think i'm trying to diss it

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 9:51 AM

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yeah i mean if it works it works

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:51 AM

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^

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 9:51 AM

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yeah its what im used to at this point, so it is what it is

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:53 AM

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think it's pretty cool how much variety there is for high heat

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by which i mean theres 3 kbm shield players, croven, and then a bunch of controller players

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:54 AM

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GY players rise up

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 9:54 AM

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and by a bunch you mean

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:54 AM

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I need to know your setups

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 9:54 AM

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less than ten

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Not enough to pull up a minimal stats poll, that's for sure

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 9:56 AM

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they did not rise up

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 9:57 AM

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This keyboard setup is almost exactly how I used to play SNES games on an emulator

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V similar to how a controller without an analog stick would work except right hand for movement instead of left

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Pretty cool

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:59 AM

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i'm assuming a lot of you here can do 40 heat pretty confidently

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 9:59 AM

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yeah it's how i play emulated pokemon

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 9:59 AM

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I do 40 heat speedruns without taking Accorn, so there's that

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Zeus shield BTW

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how many hours of gameplay did before you could that?

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Altho I haven't submitted a run yet

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:00 AM

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are you an hourglass person or an earring person

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Still figuring out the optimal build

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Earring

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because i've been struggling on 45

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So uhm

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and i found that i can do 32s pretty reliably

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Probably around 600 hours, at 'least ?

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but 40s still trash me

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:00 AM

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I'm not a good example

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:00 AM

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^ same as baj for me

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40s can be hard for me depending on the weapon

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:00 AM

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It's only recently that I started having 40 heat as my comfortable ground

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:00 AM

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cough GY cough

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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okay, that's good to hear

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so i just gotta play more

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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I'm confident in 40 heat with GY

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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on the other hand something like lucifer feels super free

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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and that's all

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300 hours in

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

#

300 hours in

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how many on GY

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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298, probably

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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270 I'd say

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Close enough

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:02 AM

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solid

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my breakdown is probably somewhere around 40% of my time on beo

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so can't blame you

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:02 AM

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869 hours total for me

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lmao

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:02 AM

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8nice

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:02 AM

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nice

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About I'd say 300 ? Went on Zeus shield

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:02 AM

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It appears that practice is important

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:02 AM

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It really is

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:02 AM

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mine says 761 but i'm not sure how much of that is active hours

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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i feel like the top of the leaderboard is just people playing what they love most

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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and how much of it is time spent idle in twitch chat

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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like baj shield

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or tail's rama

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or crepes and hestia

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Not what they love so much as what they know

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I mean I guess both

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Considering how many peeps even attempted that level of heat, makes sense

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that's true

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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But there's a point where synergy and repetition with your aspect will be really important

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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iirc tail likes hades spear too

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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And those skills won't necessarily translate

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Yeah

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Not running 59 on it tho

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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LOL

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Me and Achilles spear like

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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i dont get your love for that weapon tailesque

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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i love hades spear but yeah it uh. can't cut it at ultra high heat like rama can

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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shy plinth And those skills won't necessarily translate

I think a lot of skills translate

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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is it just the spin?

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if so i can understand a little bit

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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i just like how it feels to weave spins in between attacking things

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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I didn't say that right

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Hammer reliant

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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feels good to me

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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More that the results won't translate

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Oh, for the feel in general

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nvm me then

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:05 AM

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now that flood flare beo is a thing

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maybe i can stop playing chaos shield

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:^)

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although i do want to copy hades3234's pact to a W on chaos at 50

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feels super doable

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:05 AM

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who's got the most aspects at 50?

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:05 AM

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was there anything notable about that pact?

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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honest kernel who's got the most aspects at 50?

probably hades3234

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Him or Retrash

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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yeah lol

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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makes sense

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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because he grinds aspects out like clockwork

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Yeah was gonna guess Retrash or bablo

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Bablo did 40, not sure on 50

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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hades3234 has a ton of 50s

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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daring hedge was there anything notable about that pact?

i dont think so?

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it was mostly a retrash pact

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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so TD2

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i see

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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RI2 AP2 TD2

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indeed

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:06 AM

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TD2 at 50 sounds like about as consistent as you could get

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Retrash has 5 on our board

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Two zag swords lol

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

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My highest on non-shield is 45 lmao

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

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yeah hades3234 has about 7-10 on SRC i think

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Wow

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

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it's absurd

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

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honest kernel My highest on non-shield is 45 lmao

my highest shield and nonshield are both 45

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youd think i'd see some stratification by now

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:08 AM

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chaos 50 soon surely

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:08 AM

#

^

shy plinth Dec 21, 2020, 10:08 AM

#

Tail actually has 7

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Achilles Hera GY ZagSpear Rama Hades Demeter

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

#

Had a couple of close calls on Demeter fists, on Achilles at 50

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But not quite a complete run

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I swear I need to learn the Hades fight without a block button

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

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chaos 50 has been close

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

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lmao

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

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me too baj

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having a shield is so comfy

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:09 AM

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i need to learn the hades fight without hyper sprint and like 3 dashes

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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i had jolted and double strike and 8 minutes into styx on a try

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got 5 sacked and died to timer

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I don't block with shields

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that's a problem I have

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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and then another i choked last part of phase 3 and died

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with like 1K hp left on dad

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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same astaos

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

#

For me, I actually mostly Bullrush for the I-frames

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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i need to learn to block

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Unless I have Charged Shot

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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but i think i need to just roll the consistent pact

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Then blocking is a necessity with 1-dash

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:10 AM

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and forgo TD3

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that's interesting baj

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i think

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a lot of the time i get trapped

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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ok this may be a dumb question but

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how do i start streaming on twitch

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i just want a simple way to save records of my runs

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Need a recording software of sorts that supports streaming

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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bullrushing and then trying to dash attack after or smth

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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i have OBS

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Streamlabs

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

#

^

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Streamlabs just works instantly

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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obs streamlabs is probably the easiest way

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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OBS can do fine too, but Streamlabs is simpler from what I saw

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I use OBS Studio

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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I installed it, tried 2 things and I was set

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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i have studio yeah

static plover Dec 21, 2020, 10:11 AM

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there's a metric tonne of tutorials for obs studio

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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i'll echo astaos

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

#

^

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For Aggy's statement

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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obs slabs was like instant setup

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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ok lemme download slabs then

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Gonna try it out today ?

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

#

It's just that it seems I can't use mod power from here?

daring hedge Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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shy plinth Achilles Hera GY ZagSpear Rama Hades Demeter

this reminded me i had zag bow 52 but either forgot to record or... just cannot find the footage

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rip

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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yeah baj

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

#

gaunt fiber It's just that it seems I can't use mod power from here?

Need to be on the Twitch page, if I recall

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

#

try it out now so we can watch some keyboard only gameplay :^)

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:12 AM

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my sleep schedule is nonexistent

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:13 AM

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shy gulch my sleep schedule is nonexistent

Mood

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:13 AM

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honest kernel Need to be on the Twitch page, if I recall

kinda boring lol

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:13 AM

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if i can get it setup i'll do it now

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:13 AM

#

lmk if you have any Qs and i can try to help

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:13 AM

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sounds good

#

thanks

#

wheres the setting to record the streams

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is that on twitch

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Streamlabs ?

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If so, @true fable Could be of help

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:16 AM

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oh yea im using streamlabs now

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lmao

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:16 AM

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it's on twitch yeah

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:17 AM

#

oh

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found it

#

that didnt take long

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:17 AM

#

yeah just go into your twitch channel settings and turn on past broadcasts

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:17 AM

#

gaunt fiber It's just that it seems I can't use mod power from here?

Dug up a bit, there's a moderator page from the handle www.twitch.tv/moderator/"Insert channel name here"

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:17 AM

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make sure you export/download the things you want to keep or twitch will delete them

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:17 AM

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Oh nice

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thanks Baj

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:18 AM

#

you can also click on the little sword icon

static plover Dec 21, 2020, 10:18 AM

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or make a local recording

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:18 AM

#

true fable you can also click on the little sword icon

That's the shortcut, yeah

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Accessible on the channel's page

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Yeah I saw that

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But I wanted to do everything from streamlabs

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Since it's linked to twitch

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:18 AM

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ah i see

#

yeah that's annoying

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Like there's 5 bots in a row

#

I don't want to waste time banning em

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:19 AM

#

I can DM you a video that might help you out @gaunt fiber

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

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pog

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

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ok I think I’m live at twitch.tv/croven831

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

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Sure

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

#

Not sure it does everything

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But it's a start

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

#

i won’t be able to see chat or anything but can one of y’all confirm here that u can see my screen

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

#

omw

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

#

oh the zoom is off

#

one sec

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:20 AM

#

yeah

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:23 AM

#

ok should be fixed

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:23 AM

#

Quality set at 648p60

#

Is that your resolution ?

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:23 AM

#

that’s what it defaulted to I think

#

I didn’t change any resolution or anything

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:23 AM

#

That's from the source, according to Twitch

#

So yeah

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:24 AM

#

alright then

#

I think im just gonna go ahead and play now that this is set up

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:24 AM

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No audio

#

So yeah

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:24 AM

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I’ll fix that at a non 4am time

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:24 AM

#

Fair enough

#

It's a start

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:24 AM

#

yeah

#

thanks for the help guys

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:26 AM

#

yeah you can change resolution later

#

Oh btw

#

What's the difference between base and scaled resolution? Does it change anything if I select 1080 as base and scale to 720 instead of 720 for both?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Scaled resolution is just the resolution after it's been resized

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Yeah I get that

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But do I "lose" quality in the process

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:33 AM

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There Might be some ammount of cpu usage for the resizing, but I don't think it's that big of a difference

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Hm I see

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:33 AM

#

But for the quality ? It might depend on the resolutions

#

But generally speaking, you shouldn't lose much quality from the transfer

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If they mathematically match

#

As in, the resolution stays at a ratio of 4:3 in both instances

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Or a similar ratio

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Yeah I see, no bs numbers

#

thanks again lol

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:35 AM

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It's the moment the ratios don't match that you get some issues, from my understanding of images in general

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:44 AM

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mr 3234 is live

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i will promote him since he will not self promote

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:44 AM

#

Pog

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:45 AM

#

seems like theres a healthy sized korean hades community

#

judging by his chat

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:46 AM

#

Is there some sort of official place where they gather

#

Like us for the SGG Discord

#

Such as some sort of Forum or something

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:47 AM

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im not sure

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Watched his livestream

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Came in to him just face-taking the laser for a speedrun

#

He's got the strats

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:48 AM

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right

#

what a chad

#

no personal liability

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:49 AM

#

Guys

#

if you had one aspect to put 300 hours in for extreme heats

#

which one would it be?

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:49 AM

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If I wanted to choose now ?

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Rama, probably

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:49 AM

#

yeah now

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:50 AM

#

Too deep in the Zeus shield hole now lol

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:50 AM

#

I have that but with GY lmao

#

and

#

It can't 58 I'm sure about that

#

I mean I'm not a god gamer

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:50 AM

#

TD3 Guan-Yu at that level sounds impossible

#

korean player is looking for bright on srcom

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:50 AM

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But I do everything I can and TD3 DC2 is TERRIBLE

#

Time is the only issue yeah

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

Also looking at Croven

gaunt fiber Dec 21, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

I got the basics

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

He's doing Mirrorless Hestia at 47 heat

#

And he's in Elysium

#

He hit Patty too

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

i think hades3234 uses fated auth

#

not sure though

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:52 AM

#

think ive seen him with persuasion

#

It is Fated Authority

#

For his current run

#

8 rolls

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:53 AM

#

maybe he's demo-ing something

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:53 AM

#

just skipped to the end on some of his vids, he was using persuasion on the few i watched

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:53 AM

#

idk

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

Considering how he went over Hermes, and is using Zag Fists, probably

#

But he didn't start with Lambient Plume ?

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

he says he likes chaos and hestia

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Probably a new speedrun strat

#

he has 69 subs on yt

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

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are we all watching him rn lmfao

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

nice

unreal pasture Dec 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

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where does he stream?

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:54 AM

#

twitch dot television slash hades 3234

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:55 AM

#

Now that's a way to bypass the rules lol

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:55 AM

#

lmao

unreal pasture Dec 21, 2020, 10:55 AM

#

mmk

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:55 AM

#

But yeah, that's his handle

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:56 AM

#

FRICK

#

I needed a 2 sack anyways but that last bit was bad playing

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

#

was a close one croven

#

pretty inspiring stuff

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

#

I saw that Croven

#

Good stuff

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

#

can i see your pact?

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

#

hyper sprint, epic aphro special, and ricochet were really nice

#

yeah sure one sec

unreal pasture Dec 21, 2020, 10:57 AM

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Did he just not get lucky with his zeus boon? shadegrief

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:58 AM

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I thought I was dead to theseus ngl

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:58 AM

#

FO1, uh

#

With BP2

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:58 AM

#

perhaps putting one LC and taking off a jury idk

#

not much room at this point

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

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jesus croven

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

How comfortable are you with FO2 ?

#

Because you could turn down BP for that

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

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not comfortable enough

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

Yeah ok

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

I could test it out a bit tomorrow but

#

most likely I’m more comfortable w bp2

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

i would just do JS0 FO2 or smth

#

idk

#

EM3 FO2 seems tough though

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

fo2 just gets me hit so much more

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

If you aren't used to it, FO2 bosses are rough

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

that's fair

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 10:59 AM

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Let alone rooms

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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I’d rather do 1 LC and take off a jury

#

might do that actually

honest kernel Dec 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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That's an option

#

JS1 is whatever, LC1 you can get away with

true fable Dec 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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oh 3234 is doing a heavy knuccc build i think

shy gulch Dec 21, 2020, 11:00 AM

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also my keybinding actually ruined me LOL

#

I have to hit E to get the cure for poison