#h1-high-heat-strategies
daring hedge
and that's one of the weapons that would need free rooms the most
proud jay
it's also possible to not see asphodel mid-shop
daring hedge
or not see any mid-shop
i mean for any biome
not like, no midshops at all the whole run lol
proud jay
i guess, yeah
daring hedge
a couple times i have had the elysium midshop not show up
proud jay
usually just happens in asphodel to me
daring hedge
it hurts really bad there
proud jay
it happens when you don't see mid-shop early enough, and when it's time to force it you get chambers with only 1 exit
probably not new info
sly remnant
i'm gonna check my 50 beo to see how many free rooms i got ( probably a lot)
true fable
JS2 TD3 feels like a wrong move for zag bow 40
ran out of time in every biome
died 34 to timer
daring hedge
it shouldn't be too bad as long as DC isn't on, i would think
are you getting an attack boon early or running shackle?
formal gust
So 45 Arthur is an experience
true fable
i forced d.strike early
formal gust
Did you do arthur 40 yet
sly remnant
tartarus: 1 chaos, midshop, got lucky with elite louts in late rooms. still timed out at furies
asphodel: midshop
elysium: midshop into patty (first half of biome), enemy luck was meh but got mini chariots in 34
styx: 2 sack
ok so 2 sack
true fable
i think i did hera and zag fists today
sly remnant
was huge
formal gust
Honestly Demeter 45 should be way easier than Arthur
formal gust
I want 45 all weapons and maybe then I’ll try 40 all aspects
true fable
yeah
formal gust
Tough ones
honest kernel
https://gyazo.com/a69e6dcd52915351ad9fee4105000b78 EM4 CP2, No patty, Gorgon head into Gorgon + Doomstone
Basically took no hit. Won that fight too https://gyazo.com/939909fde853b8ef69ac0181a8b00a9a
I'm getting better and better
mossy zinc
You forgot to photoshop the 4 into a 5.
honest kernel
Oh please, I'm just practising the Styx area
true fable
baj forgot to load up the gameshark
proud jay
hmm so i got 14:31 on 50 heat but didn't record
proud jay
hestia JS0 is pretty fast
proud jay
yeah
actually that's my first 50 heat hestia clear
took me two tries i think
even took jerky from patty
DC2 btw
true fable
???
true fable
no recording 😦
daring hedge
weird
proud jay
rail has fast attack and special to deal with DC
and picking up a non hunter dash dash is extra help
true fable
right
sly remnant
i mean...when ap2 cooperates...its insanely valuable heat
daring hedge
i mean...when ap2 cooperates...its insanely valuable heat
when AP2 cooperates you get lulled into a false sense of security and feel like you can trust it
then it stabs you in the back and gives you repulse shot
solemn pulsar
Ugh I’ve gotten to hades twice today on 50 heat hestia
proud jay
AP2 just makes you reset more
daring hedge
AP2 just makes you reset more
which is extremely unfun imo
solemn pulsar
Then I died because I suck
sly remnant
sure but hestia is already a weapon that likes AP2 more
*more than most
so the golden scenarios are more common
solemn pulsar
@proud jay what was your pact setup?
proud jay
see screenshot in victory boasting
solemn pulsar
Thx
proud jay
it was a speedrun pact tho
honest kernel
... Another win, and I perfected the third phase of EM4 CP2
mossy zinc
@proud jay congratulations! 
mossy zinc
... Another win, and I perfected the third phase of EM4 CP2
Where is DC2, though?
solemn pulsar
Yeah was gonna say I had that exact pact but with DC into 1 jury 1 calisthenics. It hard as f though
sly remnant
CP is really bad
solemn pulsar
DC on hestia is really bad
solemn pulsar
Shackle has me 1 shotting every enemy in Tartarus and some of them in asphodel even with CP1, so i almost prefer it over JS
I just don’t know how to play around DC with hestia
formal gust
I'm sorr of questioning if I really want to pursue high heat
solemn pulsar
I feel the same but it’s somehow less aggravating than any heat speedrunning?
mossy zinc
Just do whatever seems fun to you at the time. No need to commit to anything.
I start new projects and drop them when I think of something else that's more fun all the time.
formal gust
I feel the same but it’s somehow less aggravating than any heat speedrunning?
it sort of is
formal gust
Just do whatever seems fun to you at the time. No need to commit to anything.
that's been what I'm doing, trying new weapons n stuff
dapper quiver
The bow and rail are probably best for high heat
true fable
most shield aspects are quite good for high heat as well
formal gust
beowulf felt like a fluke
true fable
its mostly sword/fists that suffer because melee and then spears because spear lol
mossy zinc
I'll just say that 41 with any aspect would have WR with that aspect not that long ago.
true fable
yeah i think dem was my second 40 heat
mossy zinc
So don't feel so pressured to do 45 to prove anything.
true fable
this was back when max heat was 57?
formal gust
fair I just did beo 45 and didn't think it was that hard but it is becoming increasingly clear to me that it is definitely hard
true fable
you ran AP1 right?
formal gust
yes
true fable
also you have played a lot of beo
mossy zinc
The easy strategy is to high-roll for a broken build and just keep going at it.
formal gust
yeah I really didnt want to use em4
mossy zinc
I don't like EM4 either. Wouldn't take that at 45.
true fable
i did EM4 for 45 beo because i didnt want to take TD3/AP/RI
mossy zinc
The more difficult strategy is to go for more reliable builds.
true fable
or CF
formal gust
The more difficult strategy is to go for more reliable builds.
so basically like speedruns
mossy zinc
I suppose. It's still ultimately the same game.
But at high heat, survivability is more of a factor.
formal gust
perhaps I need a break from this game in general
I've basically been playing it exclusiely for like, a week
mossy zinc
bablo wouldn't be streaking with Owl Pendant start at sub 20 Heat. Can be way more aggressive without Deflect there.
sly remnant
What if....what if troves and charon paused the timer
I feel like that would help with diversity at high heat without having huge ramifications
Its also a net positive on content overall
I think this is the solution I like. And maybe adding 1 heat on TD3
sly remnant
But its a fun fight :(
formal gust
one of my favorites actually, but I very rarely do it
sly remnant
I think this is the solution I want at high heat
It doesn't fix everything but it certainly helps and isn't difficult to implement
The only argument I could see against it is its effect on any heat speedruns.
ripe crane
Solution for what
sly remnant
Meta diversity
ripe crane
Some weapons and boons are better than others and have higher ceilings. Not much is going to change that.
sly remnant
I agree with that. My solution ever so slightly helps make it a tad bit more even
unreal pasture
I also kind of find it lame that you just cannot trove or charon in TD3... but meh
It is what it is
Sometimes I do gold troves in TD3... sometimes
sly remnant
I'm not trying to make a perfectly balanced game. That's impossible. I'm just trying to help
Weapons that are self sufficient would still be king at high heat. But other weapons would have more options and its an easy fix that doesn't completely change the meta
&i assume its easy I could be wrong
unreal pasture
Changing the design of stuff requires reworking... just number tweaks are easy to do
If you ask me, the only real problem with aspects is how much input it takes on some of them for them to still be complete booty
Only the Zag shield and bow aspects have any real upsides over the other aspects
I guess Zag fists...
But zag rail, spear and sword are just like... lolwat
formal gust
zag rail and sword are hammer enablers
sword makes world splitter and flurry slash better
zag rail makes spread fire better
ripe crane
love zag rail shotgun
formal gust
just a bit reset heavy
edgy arrow
is zag rail spread fire really better than eris spread fire tho
formal gust
yeaha
edgy arrow
hmm true
idk spread fire rng doesn’t like me, so i’m not sure i’ve ever actually had it on zag rail
formal gust
but no doubt especually if you have a high % attack and hunter dash it is one of the highest dps things in the game
formal gust
RIP
true fable
then got arty attack
formal gust
wait
true fable
this is so scuffed
daring hedge
darkness stonks
btw https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/787940343923867648/20201214011248_1.jpg
mossy zinc
btw https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/787940343923867648...
Congratulations on missing sub 12 by 54.08 seconds.
true fable
jesus tailesque
wtf
what an intimidating victory screen
also i dont think spread fire is that good but boy is it fun
true fable
im wondering if i should start arrowhead or something else for zag shield
waxen relic
with AP2 i've been doing Athena on ZagShield because everything from her is good. Without it Arrowhead for sure.
true fable
i dont really feel like i know what im doing in terms of playstyle for zag shield
is it mostly hammer reliant
or hammer dependent rather
true fable
it's the last shield i have to do at 40
and i'm trying to figure out which other shield it's most like lol
feels like zeus with less wonkiness
waxen relic
yeah Zeus but you're doing more yourself
Special as i've learned it is utility
until you get explosive return
waxen relic
ferocius guard does very little yes
daring hedge
empowering flight is actually pretty decent on zag shield if you special point blank before attacking
waxen relic
empowering strike i need more testing, but you shouldn't throw every two attacks prob
true fable
this actually doesnt feel terrible i just wish the shield throw behaved when there's only 1 enemy on screen
waxen relic
yeah the throw behaving is the biggest problem
daring hedge
arguably dashing flight's biggest strength is just speeding up the period of the shield misbehaving
waxen relic
yes
true fable
why does it circumnavigate the globe when the only enemy is right in front of me
waxen relic
well don't forget that you can still use the cast while it's travelling
true fable
damage seems hard to come by without good hammers
just came out of a solid 2 minute IGT T&A fight
maybe im not using empowering enough
idk
waxen relic
there's some hammers with better dps for sure
daring hedge
love when support fire does the perfect circle loops
waxen relic
just get charged shot then and shredder everything
waxen relic
pulverizing is good if you want to actually play the aspect
true fable
pulverizing's been nice but standing attack feels a bit awk sometimes
think im close just wildly misplayed runs where i got good hammers
unreal pasture
https://imgur.com/a/s0hKsuI leaving tartarus with 280 hp... ok ok we're gaming
unreal pasture
Yea... 3 sack 19:37ish dead... superdad was only at half on phase 2
I don't think I was getting there
Punished for crutching plume
honest kernel
Can't post the other photo, oops
But TWO TIMES, I get to EM4, and timeout
Like, the build I posted above only has 1 hammer
if I had Explosive Return ... or something else to boost my damage
Urgh
honest kernel
There's the second one
... The second one had no call
That might be what I need, on top of the special
But I'm glad the timer's the reason I can't do the fight
And not mainly my own hubris
I'm SO close
rain sedge
59 heat 
rain sedge
meanwhile I'm just doing 32 heat with my remaining aspects
I gotta be honest
TD3 is starting to suck at the slower weapons
honest kernel
TD3 is super tight
rain sedge
it's 32 heat
honest kernel
Tell that to Zag Spear lol
honest kernel
Should be ok
rain sedge
gotta be honest, I'm liking this flood shot hera
sly remnant
I love flood shot hera
sly remnant
HEY WATCH IT
rain sedge
tbh tho
I got all the boons I can possibly want
mirage shot, greater recall, fully loaded
spicy epic exit wounds too
1700 damage to dad monkaS
1 shot
mossy zinc
@honest kernel I see you listened to my advice, but you can't show them you're doing 59 or they'll start doing 60 or something . . . 
rain sedge
someone doing 60 would be super lit tbh
sly remnant
its possible
sly remnant
probably the best way to hit 60 heat is No RI4 and drop a rank of CP
mossy zinc
No EM4 sounds a lot more fun to me.
sly remnant
only possible in hell mode tho right?
sly remnant
nah in normal you can only drop one rank of CP
waxen relic
Ri3 and DC0 Hestia though
rain sedge
it's basically what baj is doing but with PL
mossy zinc
FO1 CP1.
rain sedge
baj, don't you have hell mode save?
mossy zinc
You can only drop one rank of CP in Hell mode, too.
trim sigil
gaunt fiber
Swim in the lava to get that sweet bloodstone
ripe crane
Just walk out so you can dash back
tidal flame
JS3 no UC. Interesting.
sly remnant
boons are cool
true fable
Just walk out so you can dash back
i feel like youd take more damage that way
ripe crane
Exactly. Don't be a coward
true fable
truth
i dont even care that its probably worse lol
yes i would trade my weapons range advantage for cool shotgun
😎
also finished zag bow 40 and im never touching that weapon again
ungodly amounts of boring
sly remnant
also bablo thinks i can't streak 5 in a row on beo with EM4
i'm tempted to prove him wrong
true fable
like a performance thing or a weapon capability thing
sly remnant
i think he thinks the weapon performance at 40 + EM4 being rough
true fable
streak at 40 or 45 with EM4
because 40 feels quite fine i think in terms of consistency
could be wrong though who knows
surprisingly its been almost a week since i played beo
sly remnant
ye i agree beo is still ownage at 40 heat
like i'm not good at this game but the fact that i was able to quite comfortably win twice in a row with vastly different builds and pact setups shows how much ownage beo is
true fable
yeah i mean
its just 36 heat with more steps
just take the speedrunning pact and shift some stuff around
tough dune
best chiron build for 32 heat?
true fable
lol i already responded in builds n combat so if anyone else has other ones
tough dune
yeah lmao
vital grove
I guess you didn't mention doom+hangover and weak+doom
Not gonna say better or worse than weak+hangover or weak+crit
true fable
doom + hangover?
vital grove
Yeah for curse of nausea
true fable
why not just go weak + hangover and pick up curse of vengeance for curse of nausea
curse of longing is a good shout though
vital grove
The doom attack might be better on dc2
I also tried demeter special a few times, it wasn't terrible but I don't think it beats any other build
The super slow is pretty nice against some enemies and then you can reliably stack up arctic blast
Killing freeze is also like a mini hangover
true fable
killing freeze is so good
true fable
but same astaos
a friend watched me do 40 heat soaker and he's hooked
i guess playing soaker is a form of loss of sanity
rain sedge
wait you did 40 soaker already?
true fable
yeah lmao
rain sedge
what a chad
true fable
did it on a whim like 2 nights back
gaunt fiber
how many heats do I have to clear to get that?
GY is the secret
hoary musk
Hi guys. I’m currently trying to get beat heat 32 and I am extremely frustrated haha I typically use Bow of Chiron but what would be my best pact of punishment set up? I typically can’t escape damage especially on the 3rd world boss... NEED HELP 😭
toxic token
Chiron is good but it becomes weaker at high heat fists (demeter or talon) I think is a rly good starting weapon for high heat
You just need to hold attack interrupt the combo at 3rd or 4th hit by dodging and repeat
Aspect of Arthur is a also a rly powerful weapon so you could give it a shot
Well I'm not the best at this wait for an answer from someone else for a better answer
true fable
#h1-high-heat-strategies message @hoary musk
i feel like i dont see darkness rooms in ely with dark foresight
true fable
hate to see it
true fable
most of the time if youre having issues with 32 heat that means youre making decisions that will get you punished harder than usual
pay attention to when/where you are taking damage
gaunt fiber
just realized I was running high confidence for my hestia runs
true fable
nice nice
gaunt fiber
never works
cunning cradle
Hello there.
Can Turkish language support come for Hades?
lusty mirage
gaunt fiber
lmao he posted it in every possible channel
upbeat wyvern
I tried a FO2 run (with hell, EM3 and the two hit protections for enemies) , and wow, it really is much harder for the chariot, the bull and Hades
Didn't get dash+1, Hades was too hard for me
I need to learn to dash through him when he does the spin
true fable
lmao he posted it in every possible channel
insanity
yeah golgoth timing the empty dash for spin is big
gaunt fiber
or a strong desire to be heard
mossy zinc
Haelian just won a no-dash EM4.
So I guess that's the meta for EM4 runs now. Don't use any dashes.
@cedar spire good job! Very fun run.
ripe crane
That's pretty dope. With shield?
mossy zinc
Chiron.
ripe crane
Interesting
mossy zinc
There was also this gem earlier. https://clips.twitch.tv/GlutenFreeCautiousFriesChocolateRain
rain sedge
can you get smoldering air without a call?
mossy zinc
No.
sly remnant
no
mossy zinc
also that double hit is bs. ngl
It was two different projectiles.
Wave from the front and arrow from behind.
tidal flame
Now I see it
mossy zinc
EM4.
unreal pasture
Heat 47 5-sack, very cool
mossy zinc
TD2?
sly remnant
the sac mechanic is fine 🙂
unreal pasture
It was TD3
mossy zinc
It is indeed fine.
unreal pasture
But hilariously enough.. I was in Styx at 11 minutes
But I died to Hades with 3 minutes left 🤷♂️
I suck
sly remnant
lmao
mossy zinc
Have you tried not getting hit?
unreal pasture
But yeah, Styx taking 6 minutes due to a 5 sack. I could see that being frustrating
I have tried it... I'm just not very good at it 
true fable
what weap are you trying syd
rain sedge
Heat 47 5-sack, very cool
I remember this feeling
unreal pasture
I've been crutching Zagreus fists... attempting 100% dodge every run
So Pluming as well
HL5 is basically just too obnoxious for me, because I'm way too impatient... gotta go fast
And I actually just refuse to disconnect from the boss. Asterius spinning? Yeah, don't care
rain sedge
seems like a really inconsistent strat
unreal pasture
It is, yeah
upbeat wyvern
Haelian just won a no-dash EM4.
With lots of speed boost? I got 80% speed boost on a recent run (40 from Hermes and 2*20 temporary), i could see dash being unneeded in this case!
unreal pasture
what on earth
upbeat wyvern
I've been crutching Zagreus fists... attempting 100% dodge every run
Can you actually get 100%? Does it make you invincible?
true fable
yeah
unreal pasture
Someone posted a clip in here against butterfly ball. It seemed like it's additive (possible to have 100% dodge)
true fable
you'd want epic greater evasion + second wind
unreal pasture
Where they were dodging literally every butterfly
upbeat wyvern
Very nice
upbeat wyvern
I see, interesting
unreal pasture
If I take every fight in Tartarus... I usually end with 14.4%? Are there exactly 12 combat chambers?
unreal pasture
It's kind of variant though... sometimes I take chaos gates or shops if I have 270g
rain sedge
@true fable what's the strat to always hit heroes with meg?
I keep missing asterius
I remember you wrote here
true fable
walk straight up
mossy zinc
Just walk up and summon.
true fable
yeah
mossy zinc
North.
true fable
vertical north yeah
mossy zinc
Just walk up the stairs and summon.
rain sedge
how many steps?
mossy zinc
All the steps.
mossy zinc
It depends on how much heat you have.
true fable
with DC you just eyeball and yeet it
upbeat wyvern
I read that dodge is multiplicative not additive on reddit, i guess it's wrong?
mossy zinc
It's additive, yeah.
true fable
🤦
mossy zinc
Community used to assume it was multiplicative, but we hadn't actually tested it.
true fable
nice 2 DC meg
mossy zinc
Good job.
You're passing all the traditional rites to become a True High Heat Player™️.
true fable
with DC i usually wait to phase both of them at least once and then jump on theseus while he's phasing
usually asterius comes too
mossy zinc
Soon you won't be a casual anymore.
true fable
and then you can just ez summon both
rain sedge
im still a filthy casual
just doing the all weapon 32 heat
at talos now
still need gilga for fist, I believe the """strat""" is tidal dash sea storm
mossy zinc
That's not even casual anymore lol.
rain sedge
which I can still get since I'm on switch
mossy zinc
Casuals do at most one 32 Heat for completion's sake.
true fable
i dont think tidal dash sea storm is that good tbh
idk
ive had better results going for blade dash builds
upper edge
Dont know if I'd consider 32 heat "casual" 😄
true fable
schad is a casual because he plays on the switch
:^)
once he gets it on PC he'll graduate
mossy zinc
@rain sedge you should get around to submitting your victory screens sometime.
rain sedge
no cross save lol
sly remnant
ugh
rain sedge
well, it's just 32 heat
true fable
what happened tyler
rain sedge
people here submit 40-50 heat like it's nothing
sly remnant
i'm pretty sure the way to do 53 beo is RI2 TD2
mossy zinc
Can still submit 32, but I meant the other ones, yeah.
rain sedge
what's the serious strat for gilgamesh?
true fable
merciful end still works at 32
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike is a serious strat lol.
rain sedge
merciful ending yikes
mossy zinc
Dash-Strikes suck, use regular Attacks.
true fable
blade dash too
rain sedge
might as well buy a lottery ticket
true fable
blade dash is quite good
rain sedge
alright heartbreak strike or tidal dash then
mossy zinc
Use Dash-Strikes only to combo into Dash-Upper for Maim, buuuut actually nvm that doesn't work on Switch, so forget about that lol.
Just ignore Special in that version.
rain sedge
just did 32 talos
pretty damn free
barely even lost acorn
alright gilgamesh time
whoa real talk, it's so hard to proc the maim
mossy zinc
Yeah, honestly don't bother with it on Switch.
rain sedge
yea just died because I tried to maim
good lord
playing with tidal dash also means no athena dash huh
omg chamber 4 mirage shot
this is the cast run dream
ripe crane
Zeus just ruined my run 😡. What an awful attack to have forced on you with shackle. Even rerolled and got it twice
rain sedge
thats quite unfortunate
ok gilgamesh sucks
a L O T
I had quite a lot of good boons but it still sicks
mossy zinc
Is it different on switch specifically?
Twin Fists (Gilgamesh Aspect): improved input buffering after Dash-Strike
Switch version doesn't have that patch yet.
upper edge
Ooohh
rain sedge
good night I think, gonna try something else
tidal dash strat didnt work but maybe I can high roll for ME then
mossy zinc
It lets you do Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper with one dash like with all the other Malphon aspects. I asked for that, and Amir delivered.
Or maybe it was an accident because some people had difficulty doing Dash-Uppers in general sometimes. 
Maybe some of both lol.
Anyway, it's way better now that you can do that combo.
upper edge
Ah, so that's why I kept getting dash uppers with Dem fists after dashing despite the attack
Not sure I love that :/
mossy zinc
Dash-Uppers on Demeter Aspect are more powerful than regular Uppercuts anyway.
proud jay
It lets you do Dash-Strike > Dash-Upper with one dash like with all the other Ma...
apparently there was a very small window for doing it even before that update
mossy zinc
Could be. Certainly wasn't something to rely on, though.
proud jay
yeah i thought it's not even possible
rain sedge
@proud jay hi senpai, what's the most reliable way for a casual to do gilgamesh 32?
since youve explored it
mossy zinc
I mean, Divine Dash start is always good.
That's the bablo strat: Divine Dash for everything.
proud jay
except for exactly that aspect
mossy zinc
lmao
rain sedge
hmmm
the tidal dash worked well for the rooms
maybe I need to attack on the boss fights
mossy zinc
I guess you could also just Maim and keep dashing lol.
proud jay
rupture and wave pounding help a lot if you manage to find them
mossy zinc
What pacts are you running at 32?
proud jay
alecto is tough
rain sedge
HL1, LC4, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, TD3
proud jay
JS3 TD2 is easier as long as you can manage normal chambers
mossy zinc
FO0 will be a walk in the park.
mossy zinc
It's the hardest 6 Heat you have in your pact.
rain sedge
so FO0 HL5?
mossy zinc
Sure.
I like something like HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3. I think I used that for all my 32 clears recently.
When I didn't do RI4, obviously.
JS0 CP0 DC0 TD3 is easy.
EM3 FO0 is easy.
HL5 don't matter too much if you have a low number of enemies with low HP who walk and attack in slow motion.
No HS means you're not throwing a run because you walked too much on magma vs Lernie or walked into an urn.
rain sedge
oh my god
I'm gonna pretend the maim doesnt exist
just ate 3 alecto attack because I tried itr
alright FO0 thanks nya
mossy zinc
Owl Pendant in Tartarus or Asphodel, I like Lucky Tooth in Elysium if I don't already have a DD just in case, and otherwise Acorn for the rest of the run.
rain sedge
for ME, I have to take doom on attack right?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
rain sedge
I tried the special animation and its too slow
mossy zinc
Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish to unlock ME, Divine Dash to proc ME.
@gaunt fiber that's very rude.
true fable
true shot + DR is actually quite decent
started out wanting to run an LP build but true shot was fine
mossy zinc
LP build?
true fable
lightning phalanx
mossy zinc
Oh.
true fable
i know you dislike that duo lol
mossy zinc
Why do people like that boon?
true fable
it go bounce
rain sedge
what's DR
mossy zinc
Deadly Reversal.
It's good whether you get ME or not, since you'll be Deflecting a lot with your Dash.
rain sedge
I got all the core boons, just need the ME now
last time this happened I didnt get it until styx
sly remnant
what are the rules for seeded? just one continuous run yea?
sly remnant
ty
rain sedge
I did, but had to sell cast for UC
mossy zinc
Well, next boon will definitely offer you a Cast, so it's a good idea to fill that if you don't get ME there.
mossy zinc
All in one boon? Very nice lol.
rain sedge
yea
mossy zinc
Now you just need DR to appear again later lol.
You'll want Impending Doom and DR, that's pretty much it.
And then just poms on Impending Doom or Curse of Agony depending on which gives more at the time.
Also DDs, of course, are always great.
rain sedge
yea just trying to get those boons
rain sedge
yea im using skelly for elysium this run
gaunt fiber
32 heat?
gaunt fiber
Multi aspect talent 
rain sedge
well I'm not pushing heat until they patch switch
rain sedge
I already did 50 heat lol
gaunt fiber
I know since you beat 50 with it
rain sedge
it's not about the DPs
gaunt fiber
DP?
rain sedge
it's about the ability to free up your brain to 100% focus on dodging and animation watching
DPS
at switch especially when you have lower res and lag a lot
it's invaluable
gaunt fiber
Lmao I'm dumb
Yeah I know what you mean
I had a good Hestia run a while ago
Then I reloaded under a styx axe
Louis XVI style
Fitting.
mossy zinc
delta chamber is the best eris hammer btw
I honestly agree with that.
Def for high heat. It's just way easier.
rain sedge
real talk with delta chamber and +1 dash I can probably do EM4 at 56
gaunt fiber
Your 56 implies AP2?
rain sedge
if you don't know and not trolling, prob best to leave this channel, it's spoiler
gaunt fiber
Yup
rain sedge
this channel is also very spoiler heavy
mossy zinc
@daring hedge how interested would you be in an expedition 40 Heat 3-aspects race vs @proud jay at like a Hermes Cup or something? Just hypothetically speaking. I brought up the idea in the speedrun discord. Could be fun and put some spotlight on high heat (speedruns).
proud jay
i feel like it'd be ideal when there's no 3rd match
mossy zinc
Obviously no idea if anything will come of it.
mossy zinc
i feel like it'd be ideal when there's no 3rd match
Meaning? Are there normally 3 matches at a Hermes Cup or something?
daring hedge
that sounds fun if it comes to fruition, i guess i'd be down for that
proud jay
best of 3
daring hedge
bablo would probably sweep me tho
proud jay
40 heat is very volatile
gaunt fiber
Have you cleared the game?
barren bobcat
Hades’ second phase got me
gaunt fiber
Clear it
barren bobcat
Well alright then
rain sedge
I lost my SD on hades
because I'm dashing with ME
advice pls I really dont wanna die in this run
gaunt fiber
Well alright then
Good luck 
rain sedge
I have skelly and 92 HP left
barren bobcat
Thank youuu
sly remnant
thats plenty
rain sedge
you dont understand
I lost SD like nothing
I'm still on first phase
im gonna be on the floor real quick at this rate
how to play?
do I not dash? do I maim him?
mossy zinc
Don't be so reckless with your Dash-Strikes. Just play like normal, go in heavy after you dodged a spin because that's when he has a lot of recovery.
Screw Maim.
gaunt fiber
Yeah ME gets me bloodthirsty too and I end up going berserk
mossy zinc
You got this.
rain sedge
ok it was actually plenty of HP
cool thanks
fists done
that was scary, getting hit for 60/90 hit
gaunt fiber
HL5 Hades 
true fable
tailesque is also scary fast for someone who "doesn't speedrun"
idgi lol
nice job schad
proud jay
TD3 kinda forces you to speedrun
mossy zinc
bablo would probably sweep me tho
You had WR at 32, 40, and 50 before current patch lol.
true fable
time to figure out how to make hades spear go fast :^)
a question that has stumped philosophers for ages
mossy zinc
Well, you could work out together which aspects you would pick to make the race fun.
rain sedge
lol I already got beowulf 32
gaunt fiber
Zag aspects only
proud jay
Zag aspects only <:squirtyay:456913427550699552>
retrash category
rain sedge
mhmm, so need rama, zag bow, zag shield, and zeus
that doesnt sound too bad except of zag bow
daring hedge
oh that reminds me tho i forgot to trim and upload the current 50 WR from last night
gaunt fiber
People don't like Zag bow?
daring hedge
i like zag bow
proud jay
people either love or hate it
daring hedge
other than with DC
gaunt fiber
It has crit I mean
mossy zinc
Rama, Hades, Demeter would be fair give Tailesque all the advantage.
gaunt fiber
It's cool
rain sedge
remember when I told you I powershotted less than 10 times in my life?
true fable
i think zag bow is one of the most dull aspects in the game
gaunt fiber
Yeah
rain sedge
and remember the switch is 10% crit only
true fable
i cannot stand zag bow and am glad i never have to touch it again
rain sedge
I'm gonna find the hammer than can hold attack
daring hedge
yeah i doubt i'd really have an advantage in any case
north dove
gaunt fiber
Nemesis
rain sedge
nemesis
true fable
nice fully loaded lmao
rain sedge
and just like how goku trained with extra gravity, retrash is already trained in EM4
north dove
didn't get any free rooms
true fable
was it a timer death?
rain sedge
should we start betting on who will get 58 first
north dove
not a timer death but pretty much
true fable
gotcha
proud jay
maybe i need to learn EM4 finally
mossy zinc
I think that sometimes.
north dove
this setup is so reliant on getting double edge 😦
proud jay
real question: is acorn even good for EM4?
north dove
not as good as tooth but I lost mine on Elysium
mossy zinc
Then I practice the fight for 20–30 minutes with HL5 CP2 DC2 FO2 HS and think alright yeah no screw this I hate this I want to do something that's fun.
proud jay
ah ok i thought that might be it
dire steppe
why is tooth considered better than acorn
proud jay
don't you just lose your acorn charges to doomstones and stuff
mossy zinc
Acorn is worth 20 HP maybe vs EM4 lol.
north dove
yeah doomstones, sneaks, butterflies...
daring hedge
yeah, random butterflies and lasers can just trash it
dire steppe
i see
rain sedge
how important is powershotting with rama @daring hedge ?
daring hedge
very
mossy zinc
It's like putting on DC2 as a shade when your enemy has Eris.
It ain't gonna protect you.
gaunt fiber
Rip shade
daring hedge
like, you don't need to always power shot obviously
for low health things and little bits of armor
rain sedge
damn, and unlike other bows I can't do the machine gun attack
daring hedge
but for bosses and big enemies, you want to do it as much as you can
mossy zinc
Speaking of.
I might have to watch a run of yours sometime specifically for that, but how do you deal with Longspears with Rama?
They're incredibly obnoxious.
daring hedge
kite and space
proud jay
get out of range of 3 jabs
daring hedge
longspears are among the easiest to kite enemies in the game imo
so you aggro them with special and time your power shot
mossy zinc
Yeah, but when there's a crowd of them, they'll just stagger jumps and not give you any room to breathe.
true fable
does everyone use tooth/spearpoint in EM4 then? i've been using acorn but just wondering
daring hedge
you can kinda go up to all of them, try to make them commit to an attack (most of them anyway) then retreat with a dash and try for a power shot on them all
gaunt fiber
does everyone use tooth/spearpoint in EM4 then? i've been using acorn but just w...
I only practiced skewer GY and Acorn was better to me
mossy zinc
Those two or other keepsakes for damage for EM, from what I've seen.
true fable
i haven't really had issues with shield + acorn but again that's a pretty biased perspective
proud jay
does everyone use tooth/spearpoint in EM4 then? i've been using acorn but just w...
i think tooth if you have holy shield
true fable
makes sense
mossy zinc
If Acorn works for you, take Acorn.
Don't jump on a bandwagon when your own car is doing just fine.
solemn pulsar
Just got my first 50 heat clear (40 previous high). Hestia is a lot of fun. AP2 not so much
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
rain sedge
pogU
solemn pulsar
Thankfully I got rare aphro attack in asphodel so I could ditch the shackle for the acorn in elysium and styx
only lost like 10% on the attack basically
so my contribution to the conversation is ❤️ acorn
gaunt fiber
It was EM4?
rain sedge
gotta post screenshot
sly remnant
grtas man!
solemn pulsar
i had a lot of time left
gaunt fiber
Piercing feels good
mossy zinc
fists done
Oh yeah, congratulations! I missed that. The pact was good, no? Cleared first try with it?
rain sedge
TD3ed
DAMNIT
yeah thanks nya, good pact
a bit sweaty at the end but it was good
theseus TD3ed me because I meg-ed a DC heart
I'm starting to believe less in TD3
sly remnant
td2 op
mossy zinc
Zag Bow is good practice for the other bows except Rama.
Since the timing is different from Rama.
Although, the general gameplay still applies.
true fable
the more weapons on 40 heat i do the more i'm convinced that poseidon's aid might be the best call
rain sedge
i've powershotted less than 10 times that run
rain sedge
the more weapons on 40 heat i do the more i'm convinced that poseidon's aid migh...
hot take
ripe crane
Poseidon Aid gotta be top 2 at least.
upper edge
the more weapons on 40 heat i do the more i'm convinced that poseidon's aid migh...
It's a long time to be invulnerable, I'll give you that
dire steppe
poseidon’s aid is hard to use tho
mossy zinc
It's pretty easy on pad.
sly remnant
also for you kbm lovers like me turn on aim assist for hestia
the game plays itself
i learned that
mossy zinc
lol
me: Maybe I should play Hestia on KBM so it's not as repetitive and doesn't play itself.
you: also for you kbm lovers like me turn on aim assist for hestia, the game plays itself
sly remnant
lol yea it take s a bit of the fun out of the weapon
since you are essentially moving your cursor in the general direction an dcalling it a day
rain sedge
It's a long time to be invulnerable, I'll give you that
Not as long as Athena aid, which is the best aid
unreal pasture
but the bandwagon has pals in it 😿
true fable
yeah but it's also at least 300-600 damage per lesser call
and scales absurdly with 1 boon and 1 pom
honest kernel
also for you kbm lovers like me turn on aim assist for hestia
"Don't tell me what to do" Proceeds to take 15 seconds trying to shoot a speedy Elysium Archer
But for real, it just screws too much with my autopilot
sly remnant
if attack to cursor worked horizontally
its fine
but hestia is another weapon where attack to cursor horizontally is about half an inch above cursor
i was literally placing my cursor on enemy heads and it would shoot above
true fable
rip current helps with that
i feel like the issue is
if you arent running attack to cursor off on rail
you are just putting yourself at a disadvantage
true fable
eh
i still think it's strictly worse
you end up overkilling things on eris/zag/luci
maybe on hestia though
sly remnant
literally only turn it on for hestia
somber leaf
huh. finding 32 heat really hard on shield (have bow, fists, and gun)... any advice on a solid build?
mossy zinc
What pacts?
I like something like HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3. I think I used that for all my 32 clears recently.
I think that's a very good general-purpose pact at 32.
You can swap TD3 for TD2 JS2 CP1 or whatever you like if the timer is too tight.
daring hedge
i might try to speed lucifer for 40 heat
i'd imagine doing this in earnest without being locked to the super soaker template will be like taking off the biggest training weights
modern phoenix
> I like something like HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3. I think I used that for a...
As someone who hasn't even beaten the game yet I have no idea what any of this means
true fable
to water
if you havent beaten the game yet this might be a bad channel to be in, spoilers n all
true fable
@daring hedge you might find this funny but my supersoaker anyheat time is much faster than my anyheat lucifer
granted i've done like 2 runs of anyheat lucifer but
mossy zinc
This is basically the "endgame" channel for people who do challenges beyond what the game actually requires for in-game content.
modern phoenix
ooo okay
tidal flame
The acronyms are Pact of Punishment options, fyi. For example HL5 is Hard Labor at level 5.
If you don't know what Pact of Punishment is, you will see it soon.
hoary musk
Does everyone play on PC or switch? Jw
dire steppe
there isn’t a third platform, so yes
true fable
i think everyone plays on PC except schad lmao
honest kernel
I'd guess most peeps in the Discord play on PC, but some play on Switch
mossy zinc
i'd imagine doing this in earnest without being locked to the super soaker templ...
I get what you mean. RI4 Tempest Flourish is definitely the way to go.
true fable
it's literally just schad in this channel lol
hoary musk
I play switch so that’s why I asked lol I sensed a lot of PC players
shy plinth
I play switch but I'm not actually competitive at high heat lol
true fable
i think everyone with a switch is
shy plinth
Most of the people in this channel started early access and have a lot more runs
hoary musk
Touché
mossy zinc
I think most of the people in this channel started in 1.0.
shy plinth
Tail started in MDK
honest kernel
I started in "Welcome to Hell"
hoary musk
Well I appreciate the help regardless I’m happy to be apart of the channel 👍🏽
shy plinth
It's a very friendly place 🙂
true fable
did you get 32 superstar?
tidal flame
Nighty Nighter checking in
mossy zinc
Probably more than half at this point started in 1.0?
tidal flame
When can we revert back to Nighty Night patch?
shy plinth
When did bablo start
true fable
i started 1.0
hoary musk
No not yet 😦 I’m about to sink another 6 hours in trying haha
mossy zinc
Vets are among the most active players in the channel, though.
true fable
oo best of luck
nighty night seems insane
i would not have played anything other than SF zag rail
hoary musk
Thank you! I beat 16 no problem, and I feel like I have some decent skill but whenever I get to Theseus I get rocked and lost all my DD
But I’m going to try some of the suggestions you guys have been posting 🙂
mossy zinc
lol I just checked what @proud jay's first message in the server was because I didn't remember when he first showed up, and my response to his very first message was to take Divine Strike + Divine Dash on Malphon. Now he takes Deflect on everything. What have I done. #h1-high-heat-strategies message
shy plinth
Petition to rename bablo to "Nyaanyaa's monster"
mossy zinc
shy plinth
Nah I get beefy chiron volleys
hoary musk
Ouch 😦
rain sedge
huh. finding 32 heat really hard on shield (have bow, fists, and gun)... any adv...
#h1-high-heat-strategies message standard advice
mossy zinc
@hoary musk what's the goal for you?
rain sedge
We literally lose on everything else
shy plinth
Sea storm?
hoary musk
Just to beat heat 32 lol 😂
rain sedge
That's only useful for speedrunning
rain sedge
Just to beat heat 32 lol 😂
You can also look at the message I linked
hoary musk
I’ve unlocked pretty much everything else in the game, so it’s just annoying to see the one statue covered as lame as it sounds... @rain sedge I def will! I saw someone tagged me in it earlier! Thank you 🙏🏽
somber leaf
https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/7758591592194...
thanks, but already have 3/6 weapons down and am looking for specifically shield
true fable
paulg may i introduce you to beowulf
rain sedge
You're 1 hour ahead of me
rain sedge
thanks, but already have 3/6 weapons down and am looking for specifically shield
My bad, I misunderstood
Some people here would say beo is the easiest 32 shield
somber leaf
Beowulf was my closest, I had Em4 on though...
rain sedge
I do enjoy the explosive return chaos tho
rain sedge
I was using Ares cast though
Bright is shuddering at the thought
true fable
beowulf you usually want to run stygian dio cast or infernal aphro cast